6: Guelphs and Ghibellines
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- In this episode, we discuss the centuries long conflict between the House of Welf and the House of Hohenstaufen, later the Wars of the Guelphs and the Ghibellines: The Arab conquest of Sicily and the subsequent Norman conquest and the foundation of the Kingdom of Sicily under Roger II, the reign of Emperor Frederick Barbarossa and his defeat by the Lombard League, the conflict between Emperor Frederick II (Stupor Mundi) and the Papacy leading to the end of the house of Hohenstaufen and the collapse of Imperial authority.
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Get well soon Columba.
Fascinating topic. You're right, it does get a bit complicated, but you did a good job clarifying it.
Frederick Barbarossa was so effective at beating muslim armies that there was genuine concern among Muslim leadership that he will completely annihilate them. It went so far that order was given that each day in every mosque special prayer is to be given calling upon God to save Islam from Barbarossa.
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@@CnutStolen it was book on crusades by some French author that I have read 17 years ago when I was writing paper on Saladin
your videos have become my leisure time as of late, its so in depth and insightful of the history of us all. it needs to be taught to all.
Best infotainment ever. Cheers, gentlemen! Stay frosty.
I'm glad that I got to hear Apostolic say 'border gore'.
A man of culture.
A time period where my previous knowledge was lacking, thanks.
Excellent history channel a shame YT censors the chat.
This whole series is so fascinating, such a clear and lucid analysis of history. May God bless your educational efforts.
"A quick introduction for those who are unaware..."
Hey, AM is talking to me!
I found this so fascinating, I am a descendant of the Guelphs and the House of Welf. Thanks for the video.
Great topic my grandfather was Maurice Scot Phelps .......the Phelps ,coming from the Guelph bloodline.Truly fascinating!!!
1:52:00 there was indeed a contention of German knights at Liegnitz, the Count of Baden ( which was part of the duchy of Swabia ) was there, if I remember correctly, his eldest son and heir even died there, but I’m not sure about that anymore.
Excellent talk! Btw. Dante was a White Guelph (even though he expelled leaders of both White and Black Guelphs as a Prior of Florence in the summer of 1300). And after two years in exile imposed by the Black Guelphs, he breaks with the Whites and becomes a "party of his own" - as he writes in Paradiso.
Is the term 'Black Guelphs' also the term for 'Black Nobility'? Thanks.
I thought he was a Ghibelline
@@conceptualclarity early on he was (when he wrore De monarchia for example, but then he became white guelf.
It is genuinely astounding how much Innocent III did.
Another interesting one cheers.
Great Video, I think the conflict between the House of Hohenstaufen and the house of Welf is the German equivalent to the war of the roses, sad that there is no movie about it. ( or maybe not, because most movie makers would butcher the real history. )
Aside from a little knowledge on the Welfs I was pretty clueless coming into this one. Enjoyed it. Thanks, chaps.
This fills a great gap in my historical knowledge... CHEERS!!
AM 's very polished voice reminds me of the man on the "Antiques Roadshow" who is an expert on Russian Imperial artefacts especially of the Faberge type - could almost be the same person!
I think a similar conflict between hegemon and priesthood occurs today, but with the religion (if you can call Boomerism a religion) changed. America believes itself sovereign over the whole world, it presents its foes as criminals and terrorists, but it also frequently clashes with the very moralistic institutions that the postwar liberal order enabled. It routinely has to veto UN resolutions, it passed a law exempting its own officials from the ICC, going as far as to authorize an invasion of The Hague should anyone try. The EU is essentially the NGO network congealed into a government of sorts, so there is a decent parallel between it and the Papal states. It's inhabitants are the descendants of old empires, heavily urbanised, and view the Americans as boorish and barbaric .
Of course the balance of power is more in America's favour than the Emperor's, since Boomerism is a much shallower belief system.
Very interesting discussion. Comment: The Papal strategies against Frederick II are remarkably similar to modern weaponizing of a state apparatus against an elected leader.
The great sieges of Italian cities are quiet sophisticated. Barbarossa uses siege engines to destroy the city walls of Crema. Meanwhile, the Italians inside Crema build a trebuchet on a pedestal inside the city to launch counterbattery fire. Meanwhile in Germany, the nobles fought pitched battles with knights. German cities had much less impressive city walls.
I love these more nuanced talks. Can you recommend books for us, related to your discussion topics? Maybe a reading list in the description or something.
The story of Sicily parallels Ireland where High King Roderic Ó Connor investigates Dermot McMurrough of Leinster in the east for irregularities, such as getting his men to rape virgin oracle nuns in a nunnery, and the abduction of the wife of Ó Connor's ally Tighearnán Ó Ruairc, King of Bréifne, (Dearbhfhorghaill) also by McMurrough, which precipitates two successive defeats and local famine at Ó Ruairc's hand, before McMurrough seeks assistance from the Welsh Norman march Lords.
Why were Naples and Sicily not added to the Holy Roman Empire? Given that the Holy Roman Empire had quasi- universal pretensions, why would medieval Emperors acquire territory but leave it outside the Empire?
Is the antipope AM refers to at 48:10 is Anascletus II?
Once you get done with this series, I would love for you to talk about the Islamic civilizations.
The Islamic civilizations I want him to talk about are the Islamic Gunpowder Empires, specifically the Safavid and Mughal empires.
Myself I'd like to see him touch on SEA and the regions near it be it Khamer or the Sultanate of Malaccca.
Indo-China could be good.
Especially Siam
Any knowledge of the roll of the Federici family in the conflict between the Guelphs and Ghibellines in Bergamo or the Maffei in Tuscany?
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion! Yes, as a Sicilian and minor historian you're correct about the surname Saraceno. There are many other Sicilian surnames as well as geographical name and in the general Sicilian lexacon that are of Arab/Muslim origin. In addition there are surnames of Hebrew origin such as Rubino. My family surname Arnone is of Frankish origin as are so many Sicilian surnames due to the migration of approximately 200-300 families between the 12th and 13th centuries from Northwestern Italy/Lombard League areas to Latinize Sicily. A side note, this explains the high rate of blue eyes, blond hair even red hair in the Sicilian gene pool which also the Normans had contributed to. Both my Sicilian grandfathers and myself have blue eyes....
I was wondering if either you or both can reference me further on that particular migration event? As a decendant of one of those families i am interested. One particular question that i have is if those families settled in other parts of Southern Italy along the way and where? Or did those families sail straight to Sicily? I found reference to my family surname of Arnone in Cosenza, Calabria which a small palace of the noble family still stands. Also the name is mentoned in Naples. I did find the earliest reference in the 1300's in Rometta, in Eastern Sicily. Then another in the 1400's where my surname was listed on a document showing the Latin rite families vs Bizantine in the area of Palermo. Btw, my family in recent times is from Misilmeri, Sicily outside of Palermo where the famous 11th century Norman battle was fought. We were landowners in that area up until my great grandfathers time and it was said once barons. Im just trying to figure out if my family as well as the others, settled along the way in S Italy before then going to Sicily, OR possibly if my family were the Lombards who had migrated centuries earlier and ruled Southern Italy and that from there centuries later migrated to Sicily? So basically is my lineage from the first Lombards migration in the 7th/8th centuries to S Italy then to Sicily, or the second migration in the 11th/12th century from those 200-300 Frankish/Italian families from Northwestern Italy?? I think its more plausible from the second migration, however what is throwing me off is the well documented existance of the surname in Calabria and even Naples where the Lombards of S Italy certainly settled and ruled. I hope i explained my question well and didnt ramble on too much. Any help from you with oponion, referencing texts, websites etc to help me to possible figure it all out would be geatly appreciated.
I am really sad Stupor Mundi had to wait until 2020 to start his reign.
1:41:15 .. in 2020. If only?
Lol, I'm an idiot.
@@ApostolicMajesty A Freudian slip, perhaps. Very minor considering all the dates you seem to get right.
@@ApostolicMajesty did any of the Emperors evet accuse the popes basically acting like the pharisees?
Gwelfs
Wollen
WELFEN !
@@AL_THOMAS_777 In which language?
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You need to simplify at some point. It's hard to understand the history without already knowing the subject. A summary or something would go a long way.
I’m not sure summaries are the point of his channel, there are plenty of channels/sources out there offering simplified versions of medieval (or whatever period) history.
Wow, largely unwatchable. It is possible to limit the depth and scope of historical context presented and still be able properly to frame the topic without losing anything.