7: The House of Capet
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2021
- In this episode, we discuss France from the election of Hugh Capet to the death of Phillip IV: The demise of the Carolingians, the foundation of the duchy of Normandy and eventual Norman conquest of England, the Cistercian and Cluniac orders, the gothic style, the Angevin-Capetian rivalry, the reigns of St. Louis IX and Phillip IV, the Avignon Papacy and the end of the Knights Templar.
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You gotta love the dynamic between these two... Columba's carving his way to make a few jokes here and there and AM is very stoicly trying to get through his narrative. Great stuff...
What shocks me the most about these kings is how long the early monarchs ruled.
- Robert II - 34 Years
- Henry - 29 Years
- Philip I - 47 Years
- Louis VI - 29 Years
- Louis VII - 43 Years
- Philip II - 42 Years
- Louis VIII(Broke the Chain)
- Louis XI - 43 Years
Do you mean Louis IX at the end? Louis El Prudente was King in the late 15th Century.
Capetians just proves that agnatic primogeniture is the most based and greatest succession law that ever existed!
-it helps the centralization of power
-it helps the king to gain claims
-it helps the stability
-it helps the king to expand its power
-it helps the king to gain legitimacy
etc
Fun Fact: Each of the Capetians had their son succeed him until 1316 with the death of King John I.
What about Male preference primogeniture?
@@blugaledoh2669 that’s what agnatic primogeniture means
@@alphaundpinsel2431 there’s a slight difference male preference is any male from both male or female line agnatic is strictly male line males only
@@blugaledoh2669 then they continued to rule through cadet branches until 1793 and then again in the early 19th century.
Drink every time someone says "apogee"
Love listening to our guys teach their expertise. Listening to you guys I had almost forgotten how putrid academia is.
Wonderful stream. France has such a deep and productive history, it is wonderful that you are producing these in-depth streams going through the history incrementally. In my area of learning it always amazes me the amount of french Mathematician's work I use, even centuries later.
Came here from the Lotus Eaters, great history channel.
Welcome from the weak porridge that is Sargon to the meat and potatoes that is Apostolic Majesty.😁
Which episode?
@@oaa-ff8zj if you're asking me, I'm not sure what your referring to
So that’s why this showed up in my feed 👍🏻
Is it me or were the Plantagenets just the original Hapsburgs?
1:45- I wrote my dissertation on this so In regards to having a "tiny" royal demesne i must disagree. It was actually fairly sizeable, especially by the reign of Louis VI, while the other great lords of france had on paper equivalent (Champagne, Anjou, Normandy) or greater sized domains (Aquitaine/Brittany/Toulouse), they were vastly more sub-infeudiated, the only major direct vassals within the demesne itself were the count of sens and later the count of dreux, although the king had authority too over the satellite counties such as sancerre, valois, amienois, vermandois, beauvaisis, bourges (pre-purchase), Bourbon, Issoudun, Velay, Forez etc, as well as fairly regular authority over all of the prince-bishops such as donzy, Langres, Reims, Chalons etc, on top of his semi-intermittent authority over the great princes such as Champagne, Blois-chartres, Burgundy, Flanders, Normandy, Anjou, Touraine and nominal authority over Brittany, Aquitaine and the Toulousianne which by the reign of Louis VII was already more than merely nominal. The Capetians therefore had in real terms much more land in their actual regular administrative power compared to the other princes of France, moreover this land was some of the most productive in France, consisting of the paris basin which is some of the best agricultural land in Europe and it was in an extremely advantageous position for trade with the great rivers seine and loire both flowing through it, and as a consequence had some of the densest concentrations of population and largest and wealthiest cities in France and indeed Europe; Paris, Orléans, Sens and Etampés, three of which were under the direct control of the King. The Capetian king therefore ended up with a revenue from the demesne+ecclesiastical benefices almost equivalent to that of the regular revenue of the post-conquest (but pre 1180s) kingdom of England.
The great economic boom/agricultural revolution of the late 12th.c would benefit England more than France with a massive increase in agricultural land, population and trade but it still was of huge benefit in France in particular to the Capetians, with their rich land, large population and trade links, and only served to make the Capetians even wealthier and lead to a massive increase in urbanisation which would give the Capetian kings ample opportunity to found new towns and cities under direct royal control, increasingly in areas outside of their demesne.
To contrast this position with those of the other lords; only the duke of Normandy had regular and consistent administrative authority in his duchy, the duke of Burgundy at this time barely had real day-to day authority in 1/4 of his duchy, the dukes of Aquitaine were in an even more precarious position owing to the sheer size of the duchy and the power of the many lords therein, the ducal holdings were principally in the core holdings in Poitou and the Bordelais, with much of the rest being held by some 30 major lords, many of whom such as the counts of angouleme, bearn or perigord could rival the power of the duke individually, hence the marriage to Louis VII followed by Henry II in the hopes of bringing these lords to heel. In short as the Capetians were to the princes of France the princes of France were to their own vassals, however the capetians had the benefit of not having a fractious (*the wars of Louis VI vs the castellans is part of a general trend and was less bad than in other parts) and greatly divided or scattered personal demesne, they had a large solid holding that only the dukes of Normandy could rival.
Watching this while cooking crepes for Bastille day dinner. Thanks pasta liquor.
As someone who mainly studies military history, your cultural, and political examinations of these civilizations in an easy to digest manner has led me to learn so much. You are awesome, keep up the great work!
I just think you two have a great rapport. Delightful
Columba's architecture ramblings aside wonderful. Appreciate Gothic architecture as much as the other guy but entirely irrelevant to the subject
Right! Columba sucks!! And the main guy's voice is SOOOO much better.. or Columba's is just that BAD!!
Gold struck once again. Cheers!
Thank you for this wonderful video of my family! I really appreciate it!
On the occasion of the beheading of King Louis XVI of France, Henry Brackenridge wrote an article with the title "Louis Capet lost his caput" in the National Gazette on April 20, 1793 - referring to the fact that the deposed king had been addressed as "citizen Louis Capet" in his trial before the French National Assembly.
Amazing series guys! Thanks a lot for your work, it complemented and summarized very well what I previously knew about individual periods of the French history. Have you done your series on the history of medieval Italy yet?
I love the names like “the fair’ and “the fat” they should have kept that up
I liked the first segment quite a lot! But I think the second segment was lacking of in depth analysis of dynastic politics etc. and reverted to a quite general narration on some larger themes, chivalry etc.
Over all a well made episode! As a PhD in early medieval history, I would say this is certainly amongst the better and more scholalry inclined history channels on the platform. Bravo!
Keep it up,
All of these streams are very interesting.
I would enjoy a Welsh history at some point, starting with the Romans (including Britannia’s influence in Rome) - Arthurian legends and Saxon “invasions” and then ending with full union into England.
Would you be willing to do a whole episode on the Visigothic Kingdom in Spain? That would be awesome.
Apparently Henri 1 was my 26th great grandfather. Go figure 🙂 Very informative video.
Really enjoyed the partial focus on the Norsemen, admittedly partly because I am a «nordmann» = Norwegian myself (the «d» is silent). Would love more streams that involve them.
Richard the Lionheart as a trubadur: this, of course, was also hinted at in _Ivanhoe_ (1952), starring AA, coincidentally.
Great stream.
What is the name of the actor who AA uses in his avatar?
@@thechurchmilitant4293 George Sanders is the AA lookalike
@@nejjk I'm not from England, (obviously!) I'm not that familiar with pre 1960's English films, was Saunders famous? And was he what the English call "posh"? I have to admit as much as AA can irritate me, he does sound "posh".
@@thechurchmilitant4293 Yes, GS was proper posh
@@nejjk no wonder AA picked him for his avatar!
I am a descendant of this lineage! Just learning about it!
Millions of us are
Yes Jeffrey, I'm also descended from the Capets and their wives, including a daughter of Charlemagne and Marie Antoinette. I was surprised that line could be traced to the early 600s. Many of these Capet kings and spouses are buried in St. Denis Basilica in Paris though apparently the oldest graves were desecrated by Napoleon during his scourge. Bless you.
I am as well! I am so thankful for all this information!
same
Druon’s series about the late Capetians is fascinating. GRRM and Putin are both fans!
GRRM ripped off so much. To anyone with a knowledge of Druon or medieval English history, A Song of Ice and Fire can be really grating. Albeit the background for Les Rois maudits is a subject for episode 10 if I ever get round to it now.
@@ApostolicMajestyAlso the prequel House of the Dragon is pretty much a more dramatic version of the anarchy from English history
Do you have a list of the references you used for this lecture? Thanks
I recently v stumbled on to the video about the Franks and Merovingians and have been making my way down the playlist. I’m really enjoying the content! Thanks for sharing so much of your vast historical knowledge. I’m really enjoying this Capet video in particular.
I do have a question if anyone could help… Aside from the church b.eing a massive part of life at the time, do either of the presenters have a focus on Christianity in the religious sense. Not simply historical? I have found a few of the comments(not just in this video) made by 1 of the presenters, seem a bit more theological and a bit less secular for lack of a better way to put it.. I recently found this gem of a CZcams channel and have only listened to a few of these videos and don’t know the backgrounds or focuses for any of the speakers. I didn’t search much further than the main CZcams page but if anyone would be kind enough to share, please!
you may have learned this since you commented, but Apostolic Majesty is Catholic. I think Columba is too, but I'm not sure. Either way, both of the names are references to Christianity. Apostolic Majesty was part of the titles of the Catholic House of Habsburg and Columba was the Saint who converted Scotland.
@@GanCheill I noticed that about the names. It did become more obvious to me as I listened to more though. Thank you for responding.
@@Piperdogloveshats no bother
Amazing podcasts, I'm slowly listening to them in no particular order. I'd like to add a tiny correction, to my knowledge there were children born of Elanor and Louis VII, two girls and one of them is a quite famous Marie of France patron of the arts and supposedly she inspired and pitched ideas to Chretien de Troyes, author of many Arthurian poems. Anyways the main point you guys said stands, that their annulment due to incest is a farce and was just because they hated each other, personally I'm on team Louis, Elanor was wild and unhelpful.
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Does anyone have information on the role of Hardouin, marquis of Neustria his son Roger etc. and how they relate to this time. I know that Hardouin’s sister was the mother of Louis III and I believe his brother was Odo of Neustria.
Just wondering ~ I believe you said that Alienor d'Aquitaine had no children by Louis VII. I am pretty sure that she had 2 daughters by him. Both Loius VII and his brother, Robert d'Dreux are my ancestors from the Capet line. So have read a good bit about Alienor.
Ace of Base have most of their roots in Västergötland, as far as I know. They look nordic but also so special that they must be related with Olof Skötkonung/Treasureking and his Obotritic princesses which he had nine children with. One, Ingegerd/Iryna married Jaroslav the Wise and her daughter married the King of France, Henri Capet. So A very distant relation with Capets... If A o B know they have deep roots in Sweden the above can be true..
Keep your end up Columba FFS
44:00 the architect trend could he Norman LARPING as they try to fit in
Great......thé Fall of Acre ist in 1291
3 ads in a row every 10-12 min? Jesus CZcams....
Of course these streams are brief, (and nonetheless wonderful) but I would mention the importance of this time period after the Norman conquest in terms of England and Normandy for how it plays out in France (though really I'm just craving a proper discussion on England). Henry I is probably as important as William the Bastard himself in terms of solidifying Norman rule in England; his concessions to the English and marrying Queen Matilda a descendant of Edmund Ironside (and Alfred the Great) made the arrangement permanent and prevented an assembly of the Witan meeting again and appointing any rival claimant, many of whom still existed (including the Kings of Scotland funnily enough).
The Anarchy emerges as William Aetheling would unite the Norman conquering claim and the old Wessexian claim, but dies, and so either the claim passes to a man of the Norman aristocratic stock (with said man's brother being the Archbishop of Canterbury), or the widowed Empress who shares the united claims of her brother. Geoffrey of Anjou seizing Normandy for his son and Henry II's ascendancy as a descendant of Alfred the Great is key. With the now centralised kingdom based on Henry II's reforms (the Anarchy almost led to French levels of decentralisation and vassal autonomy) the Kingdom of England is loyal to the Angevins and basically governs itself. With this powerbase the English Kings can now dedicate their time and efforts to their claims in France and have almost no problems back home (besides an Archbishop I suppose).
As another note of course this is the state of affairs Richard Lionheart is left with going on crusade, a French King coming with him, having agreed a truce, and a sophisticated bureaucracy that happily runs England while he's gone. It falls apart only because of his brother conspiring with a returned French King a year later, hence why much remarked criticism of the Lionheart rarely being in England is quite petty.
As an Orthodox Christian it is very saddening to look at what became of the Western Church during the Avignon Papacy. To see the Pope, the defender of Orthodoxy going back to Leo the Great, turned into a lapdog of the French crown, is a tragedy. In my opinion, once the Franks began meddling in the affairs of the Papacy beginning with Pepin, the Papacy was never the same.
Eleanor and Louis had 2 daughters
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Ap I’m looking for a good book on Australian history (none leftist) any recommendations? Love your work !!
Tyranny of distance and the fatal shore are pretty standard, though I will say Australia doesn’t have much of a premodern traditionalist history(at least looking at the Europeans there) as it was founded by anglos right at the start of the modern era.
The Lucky Country is worth a look
@@kesfitzgerald1084 I feel like it is a little left leaning but yes, it’s very funny and iconic
@@oaa-ff8zj yes, I was thinking the same but it is a good reference point. Although already recommended, The Fatal Shore is quite brilliant - Robert Hughes though part of The Push, in his early years - had a lovely turn of phrase and was a first class intellect. Anyway, best of luck.
I have a question but I haven’t found an answer for it. Maybe you guys could help me. Louis, count of Evreux (may 3, 1276- may 19 1319) had two legitimate sons: Charles, count of Étampes and Philip, king of Navarre (through Joan), and count of Évreux. What I’m wondering is if Charles of Ètampes was the older son, why didn’t he receive the bigger and more prestigious share of Louis’ lands? Why didn’t Charles receive Évreux and Philip get the lordship of Ètampes?
Philip became King of Navarre through marriage.
@@sharkythedev right, but why didn’t Charles receive the county of Evreux?
@@njb1126 OH thats what youre asking yeah im unsure i am assuming it was some succession treaty signed before Louis's death or in his will with Louis and his sons or philip and his brother. its the most logical explanation
@@sharkythedev ah, thank you. I’ve shelved my interested in medieval France for the time being as I’m working on studying Roman history more.
@@njb1126 Ah ok I just started getting into medieval French history since I started reading “A Distant Mirror” by Barbara Tuchman. I previously did around the era of pike and shot with a greater focus on the Austrian Habsburgs
Hugh Capet was also direct decendent of Charlemagne so wouldn't Hugh as much a Carlingian as Louis-Phillip is a Capetian
I mean as much of course
Still think John is a better king then Henry III, Edward II and probably Richard II. All 3 of them were captured and 2 killed in an internal rebellion and overthrown. John while not a good king nor a good person (killed Aurther and the Briouze's in cold blood) the man prior to Bouvines had a fairly irongrip on England Wales Scotlsnd and much of Ireland and at least went down fighting during the Barons War. Well.... kinda. Died of dysentery during the rebellion. The man got Oregon Trailed.
It's hard listening to #1 dismissing #2 so much, the discussion becomes quite one sided. I'm sure #2 has plenty of value to contribute.
This is more of a lecture series with AM being the prof and Columba being the stand in for the more studied students.
Please bear in mind that this is a series of 30 lecture/tutorials. Each episode must cover certain ground in 2hrs; overindulgence on a certain topic will not only make us overrun, but potentially lead to gaps in the series historical narrative.
great subject just not the right format, as it really bothers the main speaker to be engaging in conversation because he has a prescribed agenda, which is fine, but you should really just give your speech and not have guests because it comes across extremely off-putting. Sorry, but I have tried to listen to several of these talks because I am very much interested in the subject but have yet to finish one because of what I said above, it comes off as very pretentious
References are made to "France" bveing contemporaneous with Charlemagne and Hugh Capet. But was there actually a country called "France" at that time?
I never really liked the term '100 years war'. Really the conflict had been ongoing since Henry I. Battle of Bremule and Bouvines being two decisive battles prior to long period of peace. After each it was awhile before conflict bubbled back up under late reign Henry II and then Edward I.
the Karolingians are still germanic not "french"
Eh, they were kinda both. I mean, the Carolingians lived in and ruled Latin lands primarily. Their ancestors were Germanic, but by the time of, say, Charlemagne, they were totally latinized. Spoke a Latin language, dressed Latin, etc. On the whole, I personally would categorize the Franks of Charlemagne’s era as proto-French. Modern French are a combo of Germanic and Latin people.
Germany developed from the east of Charlemagne’s realm, the part that kept more of their Germanic ancestry and culture. Unlike the Franks, the Saxons et al never assimilated into Latin culture to the same extent as the Franks. It’s a fine line, but to me the Franks were French and the saxons were German.
@@judsonwall8615 the late karolingians could be argued to be "proto french" but realy the french kings never stopped claiming frankish thus german heritage and in the early 16th century one also tried to argue on this that he could be elected as holy roman emperor but the Electors chose Karl V. because he was " A prince of german blood" tho yeah it is a bit mixed, but if you look at the whole history, the karolingians are pre formation of nation, they seperated into lines according to geostrategic realitys , but still the oldest german song is about Ludwig who was king of west frankia, and it is the oldest found german song, so there was still large overlap culturaly and it was not that seperated yet
@@judsonwall8615 OMG, trying to conduct a serious conversation in this matter with any German bloke can nothing but lead you to the conclusion than they haven't changed that much, nervermind their public and conspicuous display of repentance. Being able to understand what you are quite rightly trying to explain won't simply match with their Germanic DNA. They just cannot get it !
Allah tuhan kita semua....................................................................
Dont bring Columba on these again, keeps interrupting and going off topic.
Dude columba sucks!! You need to just do them yourself man! So much better it would be!