My Table Saw Is Not Cutting Straight | Evolution Rage 5S | Simple Fix
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- My Table Saw Is Not Cutting Straight | Evolution Rage 5S | Simple Fix
In this video I will show you a potential problem you may have when cutting thinner pieces on your table saw Rage5S. There is a simple fix for it that should help you getting better performance from your saw.
My videos on how to make zero clearance plates:
- Zero Clearance Insert Plate for Evolution Rage 5S - • Zero Clearance Insert ...
- Zero Clearance Insert Plate for Evolution Rage 5S With Limited tools - Version 2 - • Zero Clearance Insert ...
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I’ve been having the same trouble with my Excel table saw (can’t afford a decent one yet) finally got the saw blade parallel to the mitre guides by removing the motor assembly and grinding off lumps and bumps caused by poor casting, got the fence square, made an outfeed extension, decent blade and it would not rip boards square for joining boards! The culprit is definitely those crappy clearance plates, they’re so flimsy and totally useless! Bit of a nightmare making a new one for the Excel saw because of the shape but it’s worth the effort 👍🏻
Definitely a bit of tinkering and even a cheap saw should give decent results
Thanks Tomasz. Most helpful video. Cheers from Oz!
My pleasure!
Thanks as I have the same saw.
Your videos are aways helpful and help people who don't have a fortune to spend on the best of gear. You show us how to get the best from our budget tools. Well done you and keep up the good work.
I appreciate that!
❤ I love your videos, thank you so much for taking the time to make the videos. 👍
Thank you for your kind words 👍
Great tip. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching 👍
It's amazing how accurate a cheap saw can be, if you take a small amount of time to actually work out why something isn't quite right.
I've still not used my Rage 5 yet, but have already noticed a few iffy bits ... one being the plate you mention ... but a few minutes is all it takes to sort it
Exactly 👍
Had the same thing on my Einhell saw. Followed your video to make a new zero-clearance insert plate and all is well again. Took 20 minutes to make. Massive improvement. Thanks.
Great to hear!
Great tip !
Thank you for watching 👍
Thanks for your time in showing this I will check my saw now
Thank you for watching 👍
Top man. Thanks for this insight...........
Thank you for watching
I had that saw for two or three years,great saw for the money. The throat plate was awful,too thin and consequently,it flexed. I sold that saw,even after solving the problem,just as you have. I now have a hybrid saw,it’s a lumberjack,with a cast iron top and has the right depth of mitre slots for quality aftermarket gizmos. I love it,my work is accurate,but it’s still shit. Can’t even blame the fucking saw anymore.
🤣🤣👍
I would love a cast iron top saw and a jointer as well 🤣
Will rewatch that earlier video and make one as I thought it was my technique 😅
Top troubleshooting advice. Thanks Tomasz. 👍😎🇦🇺
Thank you for watching 👍
I will have to change mine as it does flex. Thanks for the information Tomas
No worries 👍
That's exactly my problem!! I'll go ahead and replace mine and let you know if it worked.
Hopefully it will solve your problem
Just received the rage5-s table saw and the evolution vac for dust extractor.im planning to do like you've done and do a router table using it too so got the Triton router
Sounds great! Good luck with the projects
My first thought was is the nut holding the blade in position crossthreaded !
Tomasz, thank you very much for this useful and important advice. It's so helpful that I've subscribed to your channel. I've been having exactly the same cut problem with a completely different brand of table saw and although I was going to get around to making a zero-clearance insert plate to avoid tear-out, now that I know this is likely the reason for the saw's poor performance, I'll make it a much higher priority. Thank you!
Glad to hear it welcome aboard
I don't know if anybody else has noticed but pressure is been applied downwards on the plate,that is the reason !!!
Oh... Interesting! Thanks, Tomasz!!! 😯
I'm definitely going to check mine!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
All the best mate
I have one of these table saws. Not used for anything specific at the moment as I have had to build a workshop around it :). I know this stuff is built to a price but this is a big issue easily solved at source for a few quid on top of the price. Evolution keep throwing freebies in with their stuff. When I bought the saw it came with a fine cutting wood blade. When I bought the vac it came with an adapter. Why not just put on a fit for purpose plate...............Gotta say Thomaz. You are the goto guy on youtube when it comes to this saw :)
Exactly my thoughts are the same. Hehe thanks 👍
Totally agree. First thing I made right after purchase, was a thick aluminium plate after your suggestion. No problem at all.
😁👍 Great upgrade
Ah, bendy thingy! Top tip!
Yep way too bendy
Found this with my evolution table saw too when i had it. Also found the fence to be a major culprit too due to the flimsy clamp at only one end.....this could just be the Australian variant though.
Totally agree about that insert: I tried stiffening it with wooden inserts (for angle cuts), but still not great.
Also, I haven't seen anyone else commenting on this, but my fence has a slight bow to it, which is a real nuisance.
My fence is straight, however I'm planning to make my own in the near future. You can put a straight melamine board over it to improve its performance for a quick fix
i boight the cheaper model of this and christ was it shit. sent it back. bought a dewalt one. perfect cuts
Great video, but have you ever had front-to-back blade errors, I've run through the setup many times and it wanders. Also, I've noticed if the vacuum attachment tube is moved the WHOLE assy moves. Thoughts?
Thanks..
Most likely need to align the blade to your fence, check this video maybe it will help
czcams.com/video/jYk5DtjDys8/video.htmlsi=yaX1Z-AdZy5pE6t0
Sometimes the fence will flex when you lock it down. That is s huge problem with the cheap fences.
So far I've not had that. But I'm planning to make my own fence in the near future
Yes mine is making my test cuts 1mm out.. it flex’s until you lock it in, but not sure how to stop it flexing prior to locking it
Hi Tomasz, well spotted & sorted mate👌.. After watching many of your interesting videos & tips i have just purchased that same table saw. Set up but not used yet as like you and many others say, it starts up like a rocket so after watching your remedy which was a soft start module i got one of those too & a new Stop/Start switch with a big red stop button on, why they done put these two componant's on in the first place is beyond me. I cant wire the in so am waiting around for an electriction to do it but i think its such a small job they don't seem to wont to do it, but i suppose i don't blame them.. it'll get sorted & i know you have made a terrific video on how to do it but my new stop start switch is slightly different to yours, although the soft start module is the same as yours. Just to let you know, because of you fine reviews of so many tools i also have purchased them.. shame I did'nt realise you do like an amazon shop with all your stuff on, oh well I do now and will get my tools from there in future. A big thank you for all you share with us, you do make your videos so understandable & easy to follow, please keep it up its so helpful & inspiring👏. Lastly for now, i hope you are all well & that with gods will you wont have to move house untill you choose too. Good look my friend.
Thank you so much for all your kind words it means a lot to me. Thank you. I hope the tools will serve you well and you will make some fantastic projects 👍
Hi Tomasz, great video (as usual!). I wondered if you had any ideas on improving the table saw mitre gauge that came with the rage5? I have same model as yours and find the cross cut pretty pants and rely on a sled most of time. I see these fancy pants ones the Americans use and wondered if there was something that could be done to improve our evolution supplied one? Thanks
Yes got a video on that. Although I need to improve it a bit but better that the stock one, here is the link to my video czcams.com/video/j6xfOscD4oA/video.html
I made a zero clearance plate after watching your first video on the subject, I very rarely use the standard one...............Hope the house issue is going your way
Thank you. Well we got a neighbourhood meeting this Friday to organise a protest against these plans. Most likely the protest will be held at the Town Hall and maybe few road blocks. So it's getting serious 🤔
Hi Tomasz. How about a cnc version of the zero clearance insert plate. Have you ever thought of designing one? You could also sell the g-code (svg file). Just a thought.
Well I don't have a cnc but I can 3d print it. And yes I'm thinking of making two versions. One for straight cuts and one for 45 degree cuts 👍
Are you spyin gon me ?? :)
Having to make an insert for our Evo saw at work as, when working on thinner / short pieces, it's really easy to make that plastic insert flex.
Still a fan of the saws but the cost cutting in manufacturing that leave us having to fix problems like this do leave a bad taste sometimes.
Well that's usually a nature of budget tools. If your workplace would invest in a much better saw with cast iron top then it would perform much better. However I bet even with a saw like that you would still need to do a zero clearance plate as the gap would be too big and pieces could fall into the slot where the blade sits.
Is it feasible to "stiffen" the original insert by gluing (epoxy) a "rib" of some sort to the underside along the length, close to the blade aperture? I'm hovering on buying one of these saws and every little it of info helps!
Well you could try but not sure how much that would help
@@CasualDIY If it worked at least that would be useful for 45degree cuts. I have seen 3D printed zero clearence inserts for sale on Ebay . I don't know how rigid they are, does anyone know?
Interesting, I see you are using what looks to be a Freud blade. Are you using a 'spacer ring' with this, because I cannot find a Freud blade with an inch (25.4mm) bore. If so have you had any problems with using a spacer please? Excellent work as always
Correct, Freud blade with Bosch reducing ring. No problems at all 👍
Would it be the same fault when cutting at 45 degrees if so is it possible to make a zero clearance for 45 degrees
If you are cutting thin pieces under 45 degrees then yes. And sure you can make a 45 degree clearance plate
i have rage 5s as well and am running into other issues with it, like the fence doesnt lock down straight half the time, everything has squared (fence to slots and blade to slots), but you measure & move fence for a cut then lock the fence down finding when i double check front of blade measurement will still be fine but at back of blade it is up to + or - 2mm have tighten the fence lock to point has trouble sliding when open. do you have facebook acc so could you some pics of one the other issues, i know you havent come across it dew to your setup has to do with right sliding table has shown up now just out of warranty
Sure got a FB page 👍
My rage 5s table saw blade simply will not adjust to 90 degrees from the very beginning. Maximum I can get it to is 89 degrees. Really poor design and I’ve no idea how to adjust this issue. I’m guessing it will involve stripping the whole table down again and micro adjusting the blade alignment then putting it all back together and the thought of having to do that just makes me regret buying this after it getting so many good reviews
Hi Tomasz, I have learnt so much from your videos! I see Evolution now offer a zero clearance plate, made from an aluminium casting. I'm pretty sure your work has provoked them into doing this :)
Edit: On second viewing, I noticed that when you switch-off the saw, the blade stops rotating immediately? Is that just the video edit or have you fitted an accessory to achieve this? It's a good safety feature.....
Hehe you never know 🤔 🤣
@@CasualDIY - yeah, I think Evolution have a lot of respect for you 😂
@@chrisward9706 I wish I was on commission with them 🤣
@@CasualDIY yeah - if you were, you could have a custom Rage made from gold and diamonds.........
@@chrisward9706 👍🤣
I have had problems in past with straightness of cuts with this saw, but i discovered it was side tention on extraction hose, as soon as I put the wet and extraction vacuum direct inline with saws dust tube exsit, it cut srtaight again, So any sideway tension on the saws extraction tube will effect straightness of cut.
Interesting 🤔
I already made a zero clearance insert for my TS, but I was just wondering if the 3d printed ones you can buy address this issue...
No idea to be fair
@@CasualDIY Me neither, but I'd be p'd off if I spent that amount of money and they don't.
I m selling some on Etsy and they are far more rigid ;)
@@3dprint4woodworking59 👍
With mine i glued a piece of wood to the under side for rigity that worked also. Ive had an issue with the sliding carriage not been parallel to the other mitre slot, my sliding carriage no longer slides to solve the problem. Also the blade was not parallel to the blade and there i marginal room for adjustment
Few problems on the way I can see
Fallen victim to this myself in the past. I have the 255 pts (essentially the same saw), I have an issue with the fence. I check its square to the mitre slot, and if not set it using the 2 bolts on the top, but when I lock it the far end moves about 2mm left towards the blade/mitre slot. This worries me as it could increase binding or kickback, but definitely causes long rips to be too small. The rail is clear of debris. How you encountered this at all?
Not had that issue. At the back of the fence you got a plastic cover. Inside is the locking mechanism. Maybe it's loose and needs tightening?
@@CasualDIY Good call, I'll check that. Thank you
Is your fence parallel from top to bottom? The bottom of my fence is parallel but mine looks to bow slightly
Does it bow when locked? Or it has a bow all the time ie it's bent? If the first option then maybe the mechanism is too tight or the jaws at front and back are not straight.
@@CasualDIY I’ll try and get into the garage today and check. Thank you for the tips
Is that orange plate the original it comes with, or a 3D printed replacement?
Well spotted to find the cause of the inaccuracy mate :)
It's the original one 👍
Let me know if you want to receive a 3D printed version I d offer it to you of course!
Interested if you can send me a link please
@@ChippyVUK not sure it allowed to put link, I ll let the author say yes or no ;) (but searching zéro clearance insert evolution rage 5S you will find it ;) )
Sure you can drop a link it will be held by CZcams police but I will unblock it 👍
I'll try to have a go at printing it myself. Thank you kindly for the offer 👍
@@CasualDIY let me know how it goes ;)
One of the reasons I upgraded mine to a better quality saw. After all, these are construction grade saws, trying to do fine joinery was too frustrating for me.
Yes it all depends on ones budget and what type of work you are planning to do 👍
I've had a similar result, but from a different reason with the same saw. My floor wasn't totally level, and I zero'd my angle finder on the table, then moved the saw location but didn't re-zero the angle finder. So my blade itself wasn't at 90 even though the digital angle finder said it was
Not done that myself yet 🤔
Only 2 mins in and as I found out this saw has an unforgivably bad throat plate as standard
How about a 5S upgrade?
Rage 5S Pro
Instant Stop Blade Brake
Soft Start
Locking Rack & Pinion Fence
Draw sawdust from below table
Easier Blade Change
Run off mains and batteries
Brush-less motor
Not heard about that one to be honest.
In my dreams! (you just have to drink enough coffee) @@CasualDIY
Well, I wrote to Evolution with that wish list and it is a least in the hands of the product development team! @@CasualDIY
@@chrisward9706 hmm we shall see how far that will go, it's about time for second generation Rage 😉
You've done some great videos regarding this saw. I for one appreciate it as I've copied some of your ideas, but why oh why did you have the original plate in? You know it's turd lol 👍
Needed it for a 45 degree cut. I need to do my own 45 plate I think
@@CasualDIY yes I could do with doing a 45° plate
Evolution now do an aluminium zero clearance plate which pretty much solves this issue
Yes I've heard, well that means they heard the feedback and were willing to sort out the issue. The question is, is it an extra you have to buy or does it come with a saw?
@@CasualDIY sadly you have to buy it but it does come with two insert plates for two different kerf blades. I think someone has done a review on CZcams but I can’t remember who.
I hope you have recycled that original part.😁
Still need it for some 45 cuts. But I'm thinking of making my own. Or maybe I'll try to 3d print one 🤔
if you had made a zero clearance plate already why go back to the plastic one??
Because sometimes you need more clearance, Clarance.
45 degree cut mate
@@1pcfred Don't forget the vector, Victor
@@shanecummins5108 roger, Rodger.
@@1pcfred 😂😂 classic.