ARIZONA ARENA SAGA
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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2022
- Now that the Coyotes have seemingly played their last game at Gila River Arena - what’s next?
In this episode I go into the history of the Arizona Coyotes to show their rocky history on and off the ice as they head into ASU next season for the next 3-4 years! At the time of taping this episode they had yet to sign a deal on the new arena said to be built in Tempe.
As noted in the video, some helpful links:
The Team:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona...
The Bankruptcy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix...
The Bombshell article on the recent management:
theathletic.com/2390146/2021/...
The ASU Announcement:
www.si.com/college/arizonasta...
The Calgary Arena Saga:
• CALGARY ARENA SAGA - Sport
it's also worth mentioning that Ellman and the Coyotes also owned Westgate, the big retail and entertainment center next door to GRA, it never met it's full potential. the parking lots on the west side of the arena were all going to be built out with residential space and offices. when the economic downturn hit in 2008, the plans were put on hold. the property went into foreclosure in 2011, and ownership was given to iStar the same year. it was later sold to to Bob Parsons, the founder of GoDaddy a couple years later in 2018. Glendale was screwed from the get go.
Watched a game there just before the pandemic. Noticed most of the fans were Canadians on winter vacation. I saw as many oiler and Toronto hats and jerseys as Arizona colours. They were just like me--obviously hockey fans who can't afford to see their own team at home but will watch an NHL game in an NHL city--even if their team isn't playing! Excellent commentary BTW. Move the Coyotes to Quebec City!
The interesting aspect coming out of the sale of the Coyotes to the League was that they kept the rights to the old Winnipeg Jets name and branding when they later sold the team to Renaissance. This is why True North were able to rename the Thrashers as the Jets when they relocated that team to Winnipeg and why the Jets can use the old Jets 1.0 logos and jerseys for specialties and throwbacks.
Obviously the Coyotes are at a crossroads like they were when they tried to build the arena in Scottsdale. If they can convince the city of Tempe to approve this one, they will instantly be right where a majority of their season ticket holders are. Not to mention the city is much bigger than Glendale, which sits in the middle of nowhere. The reason why the NHL has kept the team around after all this drama is that they truly want to see if they can succeed in a city/arena that sets them up for success. I know it’s frustrating for a lot of non-AZ fans, but this needs to happen in order to make the ultimate decision to leave or not a clear one.
Alex Meruelo, worth an estimated $14.5 BILLION, already persuaded Tempe City Council to give him what my conservative father calls a “sweetheart deal”; $500 MILLION in tax breaks over the next three decades. It’s up to Tempe Residents to make the decision through their ballots by May 16, 2023, hopefully by voting NO on Props 301, 302, and 303 to prevent the city from giving him _50% of our sales tax, 75% of our hotel bed tax, 23% of our property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters. The deal would also allow him to move the Coyotes to another location right when his property would finally enter the tax rolls. I personally think it would be great to have the Coyotes build a new arena closer to the heart of Phoenix for all Arizonans to access and enjoy, I have fond memories of going to their games as a kid, but Tempe residents shouldn’t be screwed over so bad to make this dream a reality.
Tonight is the first game and as a hockey fan, I’m actually really excited to see it. I also find it ironic the first game in this new small arena, is against who? The Winnipeg Jets. The team that moved to Arizona way back in the day
I'll be tuning in as well and am VERY interested how it will look on TV.
It seems the only SunBelt expansion teams (not a relocated team) that started off with building their own fanbase, kept it and stayed successful in their markets are Tampa Bay, Anaheim and San Jose.
Phoenix made the playoffs their first five seasons there. So they came in competitive and the fanbase didn’t stay hot and loyal.
Tampa Bay started and stayed relatively competitive but didn’t make the playoffs until their 4th season. By then they had enough stock built with their fanbase they stayed successful at the gate even in times they struggled on the ice. Winning the Stanley Cup in 04 probably helped to cement that fanbase. If Phoenix won a Stanley Cup we might have a different discussion.
If Bettman let the team go to Hamilton, The drama would be over in Arizona but come to life in Buffalo. A lot of Sabres fans come from the Niagara area that would have backed a Hamilton team
Buffalo would still be fine.
Not to mention the Maple Leafs too
It has been documented that the Coyotes were set to relocate to Winnipeg (not Seattle) if a favorable lease agreement was not made in 2010 with the city of Glendale. The NHL and True North of Winnipeg had already set the conditions for the purchase and relocation to Canada if Glendale didn't give in. So the NHL had a gun to the heads of Glendale city council. Glendale city council gave in to the NHL's demands and thus had to make very difficult decisions to reduce library services and fire services to make up the shortfall. True North went on to purchase the Atlanta Thrashers the following year. Also FYI: The Winnipeg Jets began operating in 1971 in the WHA before it merged with the NHL in 1979.
Awsome tuff Team 👌 loose or Win they are very entertaining I go everytime I get a chance to watch see you very soon Buckey 👍 Winnipeg Canada
The only reason why Bettman does all the can for the Yotes is he knows he made a mistake putting the team there. Hamilton, Quebec and others deserve a fanchise more but Mr. Bettman thinks he is the smartest man in the room when actually he's not.
I’m a wings fans but I’m going to a game at Mullett Arena next week and I’m super excited to see what it’s like at such a small venue
I go to ASU and the new arena being close got me going to more games and got me interested in hockey. The smaller arena really make the place energetic and alive. I’m so excited for them to build up the entertainment district and we can have a bigger arena right next door.
You may want to reconsider friend. The ballot initiatives as they’re currently written would give team owner, Alex Meruelo (worth an estimated $14.5 Billion), $500 Million in tax breaks over the next three decades, which includes _50% of the City of Tempe’s sales tax, 75% of Tempe’s hotel bed tax, 23% of Tempe’s property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters. I love the idea of the Coyotes building a new arena in Tempe; it indeed would be much easier for ASU students to access as well as the rest of the East Valley since it would be much closer to the heart of Phoenix, but Tempe residents shouldn’t be screwed over so bad to make this happen! We need to put Tempe1st (dot com). Again I ask you to consider Voting No on props 301, 302, and 303. Ballots have been mailed and need to be returned by Election Day May 16, 2023. Thank you for your time ✌
To be honest The Coyotes Never should have left Phoenix hopefully The asu deal works for The coyotes
I hope it doesn't, and I'll tell you why: The ballot initiatives as they’re currently written would give team owner, Alex Meruelo (worth an estimated $14.5 Billion), $500 Million in tax breaks over the next three decades, which includes _50% of ASU's home, the City of Tempe’s, sales tax, 75% of Tempe’s hotel bed tax, 23% of Tempe’s property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters by Election Day May 16, 2023. I personally think it would be great to have the Coyotes build a new arena closer to the heart of Phoenix, but Tempe residents shouldn’t be screwed over so bad to make this happen! We need to put Tempe1st (dot com).
If the Tempe City Council and the Tempe Chamber of Commerce reject the Coyotes’ arena proposal, team owners Alex Meruelo and Andrew Barroway will have to sell the Coyotes to a Salt Lake City-based ownership consisting of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake owner Ryan Smith, actor Zac Efron, “Dancing with the Stars” alums Julianne and Derek Hough, singers Donny and Marie Osmond and former Jazz Dancer and “Let’s Make a Deal” model Tiffany Coyne for $950 million, including a relocation fee of $195 million following the 2022-23 NHL season. As a result, the Coyotes will relocate from the Phoenix area to Salt Lake City to become the Utah Coyotes and play at Vivint Arena beginning in the 2023-24 NHL season.
Now Salt Lake City Utah Would Be Great For The Coyotes!
Tempe is currently negotiating with the Coyotes. The City is looking thru the entire proposal and doing their due diligence. Hopefully an announcement will be made by the end of 2022
@@just_another_guy_with_opinions The Tempe City Council didn't do their due diligence though; they skipped having an economic forensic analysis and a sports economic analysis done on the project, which are part of the usual steps to implementing a development project of this nature. It's a huge red flag in itself, but once you look at what's included in the ballot initiatives for the election on the Tempe Entertainment District coming up on May 16 (2023)... 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Team owner Alex Meruelo, worth an estimated $14.5 BILLION, *already persuaded Tempe City Council* to give him a *“sweetheart deal”; $500 MILLION in tax breaks over the next three decades.* It’s up to Tempe Residents now to make the decision through their ballots by May 16, 2023, hopefully by voting NO on Props 301, 302, and 303 to prevent the city from giving him _50% of our sales tax, 75% of our hotel bed tax, 23% of our property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters. The deal would also allow him to move the Coyotes to another location right when his property would finally enter the tax rolls.
Quebec would make the most sense. They already have a newish arena: Videotron Centre.
Pretty interesting if they get a new arena built in Tempe...
The ballot initiatives to build a new arena in Tempe as they’re currently written would give team owner, Alex Meruelo (worth an estimated $14.5 Billion), $500 Million in tax breaks over the next three decades, which includes _50% of the City of Tempe’s sales tax, 75% of Tempe’s hotel bed tax, 23% of Tempe’s property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters by Election Day May 16, 2023. I would love to see the Coyotes build a home base arena closer to the heart of Phoenix, but Tempe residents shouldn’t be screwed over so bad to make it happen...We need to put Tempe 1st (dot com).
Was thinking Of going to ASU for transferring now I wish I did I could go to free games
At least the Coyotes were never owned by the Yakuza. Looking at you Tampa Bay.
In my opinion I don't think Tempe is going to help build a $1B arena when the team won't even get the arena to full attendance because of how bad the team is. Their best option is to relocate.
I can see them going to Georgia because of that eventual epic ECHL rivalry between Atlanta Gladiators and the Savannah Ghost Pirates (Savannah's first legitimate shot to actually get a major four franchise in Savannah, Georgia). Expect the return of the Atlanta Thrashers if it boils down to Atlanta and Savannah.
Well, it’s a good thing they won’t be helping to build it! It’s privately funded.
@@stickyjoe1054 LMAO that's a load of BS
@@stickyjoe1054 If the Tempe Entertainment District project were truly privately funded, they wouldn't need voters' permission. Don't be fooled.
Alex Meruelo, worth an estimated $14.5 BILLION, *already persuaded Tempe City Council* to give him what my conservative father calls a *“sweetheart deal”; $500 MILLION in tax breaks over the next three decades.* It’s up to Tempe Residents to make the decision through their ballots by May 16, 2023, hopefully by voting NO on Props 301, 302, and 303 to prevent the city from giving him _50% of our sales tax, 75% of our hotel bed tax, 23% of our property tax, and 100% of TWO NEW TAXES_ consisting of a Developer Imposed Surcharge, which is an up to 6% tax in Tempe’s Entertainment District, and CFD Assessments, which are from a special taxing district created to _authorize Meruelo to impose additional taxes on Tempe businesses, residents, and guests_ if these propositions are approved by voters. The deal would also allow him to move the Coyotes to another location right when his property would finally enter the tax rolls. I personally think it would be great to have the Coyotes build a new arena closer to the heart of Phoenix, but Tempe residents shouldn’t be screwed over so bad to make this happen! We need to put Tempe1st (dot com, if you want more info on the matter).
Also, Footprint Center is also to the Phoenix Mercury WNBA and the Arizona Rattlers an Indoor football team
Coming from a coyotes fan, like a lot of pro teams, they will be contenders soon and get close to if not win the cup. Sounds funny, but I’ve heard this story many times when new arenas are built. Once this likely happens, the Yotes will catch the hearts of Phoenix. Just my prediction.
They didn't catch the hearts of Phoenix with a good team from '97 to around '02. Attendance dropped once the novelty wore off.
I wonder what logo will be at center ice, the ASU sun devils logo or Arizona Coyotes logo
Somehow both, at least that's what they stated
@@robbi6801 remember what Montreal did a few years ago? Where they had two logos? Maybe that’s what they’ll do. Or else, they can cut a hole in center ice and replace the logo
Looks like they're going to have a small one of each on each side of the red line inside the circle. There were reports that the Yotes weren't allowed to put their logos on the ice, but it was misinterpreted as the ASU logo is going at center ice at all times. It just means ASU gets to put the sponsors on the ice, and the Yotes aren't allowed to have their own on the ice. I'd imagine board advertisements will be per team though because those change damn near every game in the NHL as they're just stickers.
Mmm I've heard it's neither. Apparently to the Coyotes' team owner, billionaire Alex Meruelo, heading up the Tempe Entertainment District project, it's worth $100 Mil as a benefit to the City of Tempe to have the city name plastered on the ice. So that's something you can expect if props 301, 302, and 303 pass on Election Day May 16, 2023.
Move the team to hamilton. Let it be the hotbed of nhl hockey. They"ll be no competition from the Mapleleafs or the Sabres, just great hockey from this fantastic Great Lakes region. Phoenix was never going to be a four sport town. I have long term experience in both of these cities, Phx and Buffalo. Get real!!!
It's like Bettman couldn't admit the handling of the Atlanta Thrashers' situation was a failure. They were the Phoenix Coyotes, but played in arena hours away?
A winning product would help in leverage, but the proposals all have sounded like snake oil. I feel bad for the fans, and Clayton Keller and Chrychun deserve better
They had a winning product before and didn’t help
@@americanloyalist4599 it wasn't consistent. They'd squeak into the playoffs once every few years, only to get mopped by the elites in the conference.
@@BurnedRetinas 5 playoff appearances in 6 years isn't consistent? And they were comfortably in a playoff spot for 2 or 3 of those years.
@@ElmerFudd16 they made the playoffs 9 times since moving to Arizona and pulled one western conference finals out of their butt. The one core they had were ripped to shreds by the elites of the division for several years. They were the Minnesota Wild of the desert
Here’s the new video of the proposed Tempe Entertainment District that the Coyotes presented this last week to the City Council; where they voted 5-2 in favor of moving forward with negations. czcams.com/video/Qm9h0RP2WSQ/video.html
When will this end pull the fucking plug
There is a brand new Arena in Quebec made for NHL team, just waiting ...
An Arena that is nicer then most current NHL Arenas
DONT NOBODY WANNA BE IN MIDBEC 🤡
There are catholic prep high schools in metro Detroit that have arenas in the 2000 seat range. It’s pretty embarrassing to have an NHL team that will be out drawn by most OHL teams.
Me personally I rather the Coyotes move back to Downtown Phoenix and play in the Footprint Center with the Suns all they would have to do is renovate the lower seating bowl to accommodate both basketball and ice hockey properly Suns and Yotes owners should work together.
I think this makes so much more sense, if the team is staying in Arizona, than building yet another arena in the same general area.
If the Coyotes were a horse they would have been shot by now.
The insistence to keep the team there, while losing money and having a toxic environment is insane.
They should just move to Houston. One of the largest markets on the continent has no NHL team while we watch this dumpster fire continue in Arizona...
I’ve Been Saying The Same Thing and I Wanna See The Coyotes Move to Houston Texas As Well!
The coyotes should move to FedEx Forum in Memphis an untapped NHLmarket.#Memphis coyotes!
Memphis would be interesting, but Tennessee already has the Nashville Predators so it likely wont happen
Jeff if u could move them where would u move them
Anywhere. Houston, Quebec, Ontario. Just anywhere.
@@_TheRinks HARTFORD
@@_TheRinks I Would Say Move Them To Houston So We Can See The In State Rivalry With The Dallas Stars!
what a cluster....
Hopefully they move to Houston next
I’ve Been Saying The Same Thing About The Coyotes!
Got lots wrong here…on ice team was great in Phoenix. And so was attendance. Revenues streams weren’t working sharing with the suns. Left out the part where Glendale backed out of a 15 year lease agreement with RSE in 2015. Glendale didn’t agree to “cover team losses to keep them”. They paid flat 25M to nhl to manage the team and arena. You have the skeleton of the story. But told it in a way that’s classic biased against the Yotes. Do better.
Hahah.
Great attendance is pretty laughable. Show me a link to record setting sellouts or if they even were in the top 20 attendance in the NHL throughout their history.
Glendale backed out of the lease agreement because of their financial instability.
Revenue streams weren’t working in any scenario - hence the multiple changes in ownership and bankruptcy.
You pointed out 4 things out of almost 100. Seems like you have a skeleton of a rebuttal but lack any actual facts to prove the Coyotes are a success on any level.
Sounds like I’m just offending your biased coyotes fandom.
Show me something ANYTHING proving their success.
They’re always on the bottom of attendance. This whole video shows an organization that’s in complete disarray and now they’re playing in a COLLEGE ARENA OF 4,600 SEATS!!!
A successful Coyotes organization would be able to navigate all their issues to make sure they could at least stay at Gila River until their new arena THAT HASNT EVEN BEEN APPROVED YET, is built.
All I spelled out in this video are all facts - ending with my opinion.
I can’t fit everything in this video and I already prefaced the video saying that. Otherwise it would be an hour long.
That should speak volumes as to why this franchise is a mess and should just move on.
@@_TheRinks Mike is just depressed because he cheers for a poverty franchise…
Move them to Hamilton. It will be an instant success!
The Sabres and Maple Leafs would probably not like that.
Yotes need to be relocated they have had more then enough chances but Buttmans ego will do everything to avoid being wrong
Phoenix doesn’t deserve a team. They should move to Houston.
Move them to Hartford
The Phoenix Area is too big, too pass up. Im suprised the NHL didnt do enough for the Thrashers in Atlanta.
This almost sounds like it would be the perfect starter arena for a video game. At this point, it sounds like the league doesn't want the embarrassment that would come from Arizona folding. But there are few real options for the team to move to. Maybe back to Quebec. But this is a tragic situation indeed.
I just can’t understand why the team just simply wasn’t moved to Houston or KC.
Houston would have been obvious, but hey, it's the NHL
Houston*
Don’t care. Move em. Bring back the Roadrunners.
Put team Canada now
We can only go UP! And up we are going. I have no doubt that we will become a serious team cup contending team in the next 6-8 years. No doubt it’s not awesome, but hockey in the desert WILL WORK!
In Vegas not in az
2009 proves my point
Thank you Gary bettman!
The future looks bright for the Yotes in Tempe... Go Coyotes!
LMAO it'll just be same old, same old...underperforming on the ice and a half empty arena that's 75%+ opposing fans 🤣
lolo
As a Flyers Fan I’ve Been Saying The Same Thing For a While About The Coyotes Move The Team To Houston Texas NOT Quebec City!
Time to move that team to a real hockey market, this is an embarrassment for the league and loyal fans all across North America. The league lost his bet, enough money wasted!!!
Houston
@@americanloyalist4599 Agreed Houston Texas Would Be Fantastic For The Coyotes!
NHL move the team now
They will move
My Pick is Houston Texas For The Coyotes!
yotes average 4600 playing in their 5200 seat practice rink sized arena. And yotes think they need a nearly $2 billion arena to play in? plus thanks to tax breaks yotes will get tempe residents will on the hook for over a $ billion for 30 years. think about that one when voting in may tempe. this sorry ass joke of a franchise deserves nothing.
Train wreck
Move the team to Houston.
I’ve Been Saying The Same Thing As a Flyers Fan!
Quebec please.
First
imagine saying first in 2022
I've heard after NHL team and media amenities are added the capacity will be between 3,500 and 4,500.
Absolutely embarrassing. Team should be in Hamilton
Houston*
@@americanloyalist4599 no, Hamilton.
Could've settled in bankruptcy court and had this dealt with 13 years ago.
@@americanloyalist4599 Houston is a waste for relocation the NHL will eventually and there is far more money to be made for Houston being added as a expansion franchise rather then a relocation
The most embarassing and dysfunctional franchise in pro sports.