The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating. The Arizona Coyotes have lost $115.2 million USD between 2013 and 2023 (according to Forbes Business of Hockey). That is more than any other team in the NHL over that same period. The Arizona Coyotes DO NOT generate money for the league. The Coyotes can't stay in Phoenix anymore because the footprint center converted to basketball exclusively. The Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths. The team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes. Rejected by the cities of Scottsdale AND Tempe. How many cities are left? Mesa? Muerello bought land in Reno, Nevada, but a second team in Nevada is absolutely laughable... Let's see. The Coyotes will play at Mullet Arena until 2023-2024 minimum. There is NO arena planned. There is NO city chosen. Yet. They still have to find a location. And purchase the land... And then build a brand new arena from scratch, minimum 3 years construction (assuming there are NO delays). And that's if they don't get resoundingly rejected by Mesa, like the Tempe vote was. 2027 is the realistic soonest possible date for a new arena construction. WHY spend $500 million on another arena, which may or may not work out? That would be crazy. To build this team a new arena would be insane. Yearly revenues between 2013 to 2023 have demonstrated that it will not work out. Therefore... The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
I think I'd like to see what the tax breaks would be given to the organization for building the arena...and who they would increase taxes on to carry the shortfall. Typically what these no votes are about.
I feel your pain........Dolphins, Marlins, and Panthers all went through stadium issues. Hopefully you guys find somewhere in Arizona to call home. Best of luck!!!
What they fail to understand is that companies like the one I work for stand to profit from it failing. The money just won't go to where they wanted it. If working for corporations has taught me anything, it is that everything happens for a reason even if you may not see the reason. There is a motivate behind everything.
hey lupinski, explain something to me, you're crying about the no vote, and building a 17k seat stadium, but yet, they can't fill a 5k seat arena?????????and every game there are more opposition team fans in the seats then so called Coyotes fans...it was the same in Glendale... so what makes you think that it would change with a new stadium in Tempe???????????????????????????🙄
As someone who doesn’t live in the area (or even state) would you mind elaborating? Genuinely curious. I’m not a Coyotes fan but feel like they got it raw in this, and still haven’t heard any argument against the proposed arena that the ppl of Tempe so resoundingly rejected. Just trying to understand why, or why *not* ..?
@@YoungJobber its not a bad area at all, better than any part of downtown. The roads would have been the only issue since rio solado is only two lanes either direction there
No, they deserve to keep more of their money and not piss it away on another arena no one will go to or that the Coyotes will get kicked out of. In case you haven't noticed, Tempe and Arizona have way more serious issues to deal with. If Luke wants a new arena to keep them there he and the other 12 Coyotes fans can use their money to build it. Otherwise, shut up and wake up to the real world. This is why you don't use taxpayers money to build stadiums.
I know that voting turnout tends to be analogous to customer service in that the unhappy (or “no” votes in this case) are always more likely to report bad service from a business than write a glowing review (the yes), so the “no’s” tend to have a more unified voting front. But as a neutral 3rd party hockey fan (Sharks fan) I still don’t understand what any of the arguments against the proposed project that seemed to have impassioned the voters/people of Tempe against this..? Can’t help but feel like the Coyotes and their fans got done really really raw here 😬 honestly feel terrible for you guys and hope they’re able to figure out a suitable solution and keep them in Arizona. Not to pour salt on the wound but as someone who didn’t even realize this was up for vote until recently (I thought the plans were a GO..) I thought the mock-ups were super badass and was genuinely excited for the team and it’s fans, seemed to be everything the doctor’d ordered for the Dessert Dogs and some MUCH needed stability finally //:
heyloopinski, i see your boy Mr."i'm a Coyote for Life" has jumped the sinking ship and is going to of all places Toronto? is he going to move his whole family there? his kids grew up here, and his son was drafted by the Coyotes.. when will he see his son play? what a great parent he is...Mr. "i'm a coyote for Life" chasing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.🙄
Current ownership is to blame for the new arena failing. After the Coyotes SCREWED THE CITY OF GLENDALE and were evicted. They got what they deserved! I was in the seats at Gila River Arena and loved the arena. Move to Houston with the team, you'll have the job of your dreams in a much better Sports City! REALLY????....... Diamondbacks? SUNS? Cardinals? This valley is PATHETIC WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SPORTS TEAMS. Cheering AND Spending your hard earned money for team who never do anything. Let's break this down more. Diamondbacks-ONE Championship. Suns- ONE Championship. Cardinals- No Championships! Coyotes- No Championships and ONLY ONE PLAYOFF IN 27 YEARS! Employing people. How many jobs? Construction jobs are temporary jobs. Concession jobs are temporary jobs. For anyone in the media who covers sports, there are other jobs in other cities would be better opportunities anyway. 27 years in the valley, Countless owners, Currently 3 Arenas(paid for with tax dollars), ONE Playoff appearance(2012) for the Coyotes. I was one of those who lived in Glendale and went to as many games as I could as my schedule would permit. Coyotes screwed that up! Now Glendale taxpayers will continue to foot the bill for the empty arena. What is wrong with the Gila River center? Not enough money from ticket sales? HOW ABOUT PUTTING A PRODUCT ON THE ICE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE. There's no end in sight with (the current rebuild). I don't have 27 more years to watch them fail year after year. Coyotes ownership is to blame here!! The fans in Arizona HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT!!! IT'S TIME FOR WINNING!! The only way I would support the Coyotes would be for the team to be sold. Mararello has destroyed this fans loyality. Guess I'm not alone here.
@@BrianH16 AND ONLY ONE ONE IN 2012.! This is a team with CRAPPY MANAGEMENT, SHITTY OWNERS(One is now IN JAIL!), AND SOME OF THE GREATEST FANS IN THE LEAGUE! We deserved so much better!
Can we finally just move the Coyotes. Let’s just stop holding Arizona’s hand The NHL has failed in Arizona. Move it to any other state or province Arizona doesn’t want it Players can’t stand playing there. People would rather have a garbage dump than hockey - that’s cool. No judgment. But let’s move the Coyotes to anywhere else. #anywherebutarizona
Bro you worked for a corrupt group known as Coyote Ownership. People saw what they did to Glendale and said Not in my town! The only people who will miss the Coyotes will be the fans of the other franchises who live in the valley. And even then the arena is only 2/3 filled if that.
The Coyotes have been a train wreck for close to 30 yrs. The Jets should've never relocated there. No other pro franchise in any sport has failed as badly as the Coyotes. How many more chances will they get?
@@pyryhillosalo ..the Leafs are more than just the hockey club. ( MLSE) They are a huge corporation. Real estate holdings, The Raptors, MLSE, AHL..the list is almost endless. They make big, big money...
@@pyryhillosalo hockey and winning (or *not* in the case of both those 2 franchises, at least in recent history..) the Maple Leafs are the top or top 2 revenue generating teams in the league (for sure Montreal is the other, not sure which is top revenue)
"No other pro franchise in any sport has failed as badly as the Coyotes." ONE TEAM HAS...Atlanta Thrashers Between 2005 and 2010 Atlanta lost $130 million USD Guess where Bettman wants to expand next?
Let's be honest, hockey in the southwest central states has never been profitable. There is no need for more publicly funded stadiums or arenas anywhere. There are enough derelict and rotting venues across America to accommodate every NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL team for the next 50 years. Your comment 'stop voting' is woke and moronic.
I feel your pain but the fact is other cities deserve a hockey team more. Your own people turned on you. They probably didn't even stop to think about what Arizona could become, a money- making asset to your city
As a person from South Dakota who follows AZ sports I feel sorry for you guys, misinformation and lies win again. You guys deserve better, hopefully things will turn around soon!
No, thru get to keep their money and not fall for another con job, like Gila River Arena, Marlins Park, PNC Park and many others. People are finally waking up to this corrupt process, while others like you still fall for it.
When you lose by such a wide margin...there is literally nothing you could have done. Whether misinformation or not... which I believe BOTH sides are guilty of...Tempe residents did not want it. If you think they voted No because of just "misinformation" you are a fool.
The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
The Arizona Coyotes have lost $115.2 million USD between 2013 and 2023 (according to Forbes Business of Hockey). That is more than any other team in the NHL over that same period.
The Arizona Coyotes DO NOT generate money for the league.
The Coyotes can't stay in Phoenix anymore because the footprint center converted to basketball exclusively.
The Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths.
The team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes.
Rejected by the cities of Scottsdale AND Tempe.
How many cities are left? Mesa? Muerello bought land in Reno, Nevada, but a second team in Nevada is absolutely laughable...
Let's see. The Coyotes will play at Mullet Arena until 2023-2024 minimum.
There is NO arena planned. There is NO city chosen. Yet.
They still have to find a location. And purchase the land...
And then build a brand new arena from scratch, minimum 3 years construction (assuming there are NO delays). And that's if they don't get resoundingly rejected by Mesa, like the Tempe vote was.
2027 is the realistic soonest possible date for a new arena construction.
WHY spend $500 million on another arena, which may or may not work out? That would be crazy. To build this team a new arena would be insane. Yearly revenues between 2013 to 2023 have demonstrated that it will not work out.
Therefore...
The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
I think I'd like to see what the tax breaks would be given to the organization for building the arena...and who they would increase taxes on to carry the shortfall. Typically what these no votes are about.
I feel your pain........Dolphins, Marlins, and Panthers all went through stadium issues. Hopefully you guys find somewhere in Arizona to call home. Best of luck!!!
No kickbacks to the unions, there mystery solved
What they fail to understand is that companies like the one I work for stand to profit from it failing. The money just won't go to where they wanted it. If working for corporations has taught me anything, it is that everything happens for a reason even if you may not see the reason. There is a motivate behind everything.
hey lupinski, explain something to me, you're crying about the no vote, and building a 17k seat stadium, but yet, they can't fill a 5k seat arena?????????and every game there are more opposition team fans in the seats then so called Coyotes fans...it was the same in Glendale... so what makes you think that it would change with a new stadium in Tempe???????????????????????????🙄
Location sucked it’s a landfill and the surrounding area sucks
As someone who doesn’t live in the area (or even state) would you mind elaborating? Genuinely curious. I’m not a Coyotes fan but feel like they got it raw in this, and still haven’t heard any argument against the proposed arena that the ppl of Tempe so resoundingly rejected. Just trying to understand why, or why *not* ..?
@@TylrVncnt the surrounding area of the arena is fixed income housing. It’s just not the right area and imo they deserve better than that.
@@TylrVncnt I’ll also say people they were counting on to vote won’t be in the city long enough to see the project finish like myself
@@YoungJobber its not a bad area at all, better than any part of downtown. The roads would have been the only issue since rio solado is only two lanes either direction there
So...why not use the footprint center?
Supposedly back in 2016, Sarver made suns arena inhabitable for hockey to be played there
Preach on, Luke. Tempe deserves to wallow in the crap of that landfill.
No, they deserve to keep more of their money and not piss it away on another arena no one will go to or that the Coyotes will get kicked out of. In case you haven't noticed, Tempe and Arizona have way more serious issues to deal with. If Luke wants a new arena to keep them there he and the other 12 Coyotes fans can use their money to build it. Otherwise, shut up and wake up to the real world. This is why you don't use taxpayers money to build stadiums.
Who is wallowing? Who is the landfill affecting? Ive heard nobody say that. Literally nobody is ever over there.
@@LouieKaboom EXACTLY
I know that voting turnout tends to be analogous to customer service in that the unhappy (or “no” votes in this case) are always more likely to report bad service from a business than write a glowing review (the yes), so the “no’s” tend to have a more unified voting front. But as a neutral 3rd party hockey fan (Sharks fan) I still don’t understand what any of the arguments against the proposed project that seemed to have impassioned the voters/people of Tempe against this..?
Can’t help but feel like the Coyotes and their fans got done really really raw here 😬 honestly feel terrible for you guys and hope they’re able to figure out a suitable solution and keep them in Arizona.
Not to pour salt on the wound but as someone who didn’t even realize this was up for vote until recently (I thought the plans were a GO..) I thought the mock-ups were super badass and was genuinely excited for the team and it’s fans, seemed to be everything the doctor’d ordered for the Dessert Dogs and some MUCH needed stability finally //:
heyloopinski, i see your boy Mr."i'm a Coyote for Life" has jumped the sinking ship and is going to of all places Toronto? is he going to move his whole family there? his kids grew up here, and his son was drafted by the Coyotes.. when will he see his son play? what a great parent he is...Mr. "i'm a coyote for Life" chasing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.🙄
Super dave Osborne is pissed
Move to Tucson😂
Headline: Union Voting Ruins Everything For 50 Millionth Time
Current ownership is to blame for the new arena failing. After the Coyotes SCREWED THE CITY OF GLENDALE and were evicted. They got what they deserved! I was in the seats at Gila River Arena and loved the arena. Move to Houston with the team, you'll have the job of your dreams in a much better Sports City! REALLY????....... Diamondbacks? SUNS? Cardinals? This valley is PATHETIC WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SPORTS TEAMS. Cheering AND Spending your hard earned money for team who never do anything.
Let's break this down more.
Diamondbacks-ONE Championship.
Suns- ONE Championship.
Cardinals- No Championships!
Coyotes- No Championships and ONLY ONE PLAYOFF IN 27 YEARS!
Employing people. How many jobs? Construction jobs are temporary jobs. Concession jobs are temporary jobs. For anyone in the media who covers sports, there are other jobs in other cities would be better opportunities anyway. 27 years in the valley, Countless owners, Currently 3 Arenas(paid for with tax dollars), ONE Playoff appearance(2012) for the Coyotes.
I was one of those who lived in Glendale and went to as many games as I could as my schedule would permit. Coyotes screwed that up! Now Glendale taxpayers will continue to foot the bill for the empty arena. What is wrong with the Gila River center? Not enough money from ticket sales? HOW ABOUT PUTTING A PRODUCT ON THE ICE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE. There's no end in sight with (the current rebuild). I don't have 27 more years to watch them fail year after year.
Coyotes ownership is to blame here!! The fans in Arizona HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT!!! IT'S TIME FOR WINNING!! The only way I would support the Coyotes would be for the team to be sold. Mararello has destroyed this fans loyality. Guess I'm not alone here.
Suns do not have a championship
Coyotes made the playoffs 9 times, nice research
@@BrianH16 AND ONLY ONE ONE IN 2012.! This is a team with CRAPPY MANAGEMENT, SHITTY OWNERS(One is now IN JAIL!), AND SOME OF THE GREATEST FANS IN THE LEAGUE! We deserved so much better!
@@BrianH16 9 times in 27 years. One of the two times they advanced was a best-of-5, round of 24.
@@owengambardello6485 Jesus Christ, give it up bot
"Its not about hockey".............of course it is.
Hope they build on the otherside of the 202 so Scottsdale or Salt River Tribes benefit from it and Tempe has to look at.
Dbacks looking for new site as well and they do partner with salt river
Fine by me
Can we finally just move the Coyotes.
Let’s just stop holding Arizona’s hand
The NHL has failed in Arizona.
Move it to any other state or province
Arizona doesn’t want it
Players can’t stand playing there.
People would rather have a garbage dump than hockey - that’s cool. No judgment.
But let’s move the Coyotes to anywhere else.
#anywherebutarizona
Bro you worked for a corrupt group known as Coyote Ownership. People saw what they did to Glendale and said Not in my town!
The only people who will miss the Coyotes will be the fans of the other franchises who live in the valley. And even then the arena is only 2/3 filled if that.
The city of Glendale are some of the biggest stooges of all time. The west valley is garbage anyways
EXACTLY blocks of empty seats at a 5k arena...
Arizona dun been Cali'forneee'd Could have predicted this based on who was elected Govnah
She wasn't elected.
The Coyotes have been a train wreck for close to 30 yrs. The Jets should've never relocated there. No other pro franchise in any sport has failed as badly as the Coyotes. How many more chances will they get?
Toronto Maple Leafs? 😂
@@pyryhillosalo ..the Leafs are more than just the hockey club. ( MLSE) They are a huge corporation. Real estate holdings, The Raptors, MLSE, AHL..the list is almost endless. They make big, big money...
@@pyryhillosalo hockey and winning (or *not* in the case of both those 2 franchises, at least in recent history..) the Maple Leafs are the top or top 2 revenue generating teams in the league (for sure Montreal is the other, not sure which is top revenue)
"No other pro franchise in any sport has failed as badly as the Coyotes."
ONE TEAM HAS...Atlanta Thrashers
Between 2005 and 2010 Atlanta lost $130 million USD
Guess where Bettman wants to expand next?
Let's be honest, hockey in the southwest central states has never been profitable. There is no need for more publicly funded stadiums or arenas anywhere. There are enough derelict and rotting venues across America to accommodate every NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL team for the next 50 years. Your comment 'stop voting' is woke and moronic.
I feel your pain but the fact is other cities deserve a hockey team more. Your own people turned on you. They probably didn't even stop to think about what Arizona could become, a money- making asset to your city
2 words. Maricopa County........
No. Maricopa County is 💩 now.
As a person from South Dakota who follows AZ sports I feel sorry for you guys, misinformation and lies win again. You guys deserve better, hopefully things will turn around soon!
Congrats Tempe, you get to keep your dump and no additional tax revenue.
No, thru get to keep their money and not fall for another con job, like Gila River Arena, Marlins Park, PNC Park and many others. People are finally waking up to this corrupt process, while others like you still fall for it.
As a fellow Tempe resident, there really wasn't a downside to the proposition. The no side almost entirely pushed misinformation.
When you lose by such a wide margin...there is literally nothing you could have done. Whether misinformation or not... which I believe BOTH sides are guilty of...Tempe residents did not want it. If you think they voted No because of just "misinformation" you are a fool.
@@ringrustwithreyno9545 They're a Coyotes fan. I learned this year that about 95% of them are fools.
Times up