Why *THOSE TWO* Were MISSING in Future Redeemed (SPOILERS) - Derajj Parallax
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- Two of the most popular characters in Xenoblade Chronicles were missing from the the conclusion to the Klaus Saga in Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed. I discuss why that is the case and more in this video. Thanks for tuning in!
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After seeing all of your comments, I went back to watch that scene about Riku's master again and I realized the mistake I made. I was reading the line where Riku said "Masterpon of Riku was friend Melly" like this: "Masterpon of Riku was friend OF Melly." I swear I watched that scene like 5 times, but for some reason my brain duplicated "of" and put it where it shouldn't be which caused a HUGE error in my understanding of the dialogue. Not sure why that happened, but that's my bad.
Yeah, I think he's Riki's grandson, and Kino's son, as Kino's color more closely matches Riku, and would fit the timespan we get after both XB1 and FC
@Prof Dot Geever Maybe!
@@ProfDotGeever agree
@@ProfDotGeeverthe name of the sword being Lucky Seven and Melly being his Masterpon point more towards Riki being his father.
@@LainK1978 Kino is just as likely with Melia being a travel companion--she traveled with him in Future Connected
Did we All forget that Pyra and Mythra got that Smash Bros. Invite, they busy right now, lol
pyra and mythra are bigger celebrities now than even shulk himself...
who could forget? they’re the 2nd best character in the game
Oh yeah, duh lol
Jokes are the highest canon 😂
In the dialogue about the lucky seven between matthew and riku inside the workshop, he says that his masterpon was Melia and that she travelled with his father (most likely either Riki or Kino)
It's Kino because he is the only son of Riki that has no pink nor yellow fur (something that his true children have) since he's adopted
It's Kino
@@lucalaurenti8605 I'm not sold on Kino as Riku's father. Kino is pretty young when we meet him and it seems like roughly 20 years at most pass between Klaus' deaths and the worlds merging. Riku is a fully grown nopon so it seems very unlikely that Kino could be his father.
Besides, Riki could easily have adopted Riku as well. It is something he's known to do without much reservation.
@Luca laurenti Riki spent the most time with Melia, so I don’t think it’s Kino
@@flakjackson3609 Is Riku a fairly grown Nopon though or does his English voice just make him sound old?
My theory is that people like Rex, Nia, Shulk and Melia are biologically immortal inside of Aionios, because it is a world frozen in time.
I also think that Alpha was responsible for Pyra and Mythra being MIA.
MIA? You mean Nia?
@@DAVISITHO1520 MIA means "Missing in Action".
Same. I thought it’s kinda clear that the original core members who are immortal is because of the role they play in the whole aionios fiasco. They are out of the cycle and not like the ouroboros or city people. They are out of the cycle of rebirth as in they are BEYOND it. My head canon was always having nia melia shulk and rex are outside of origin when it was first activated to be a fail safe if anything went wrong. Or maybe just shulk and rex since they are the only ones present in FR. The rest of the cast are probably converted into data via origin leaving the few who aren’t becoming this entity that doesn’t conform to the rules set inside aionios.
Heres some things to consider. Flesh eaters are immortal, so nia being alive isnt a shock. As far as pyra and mythra is concerned, i think that instead of something happening to them, something happened to rex, possibly old age actually. Rex might have been the sole reason they returned at the end of 2 afterall. And finally, how far in the future is 3 and its prequel dlc. With glimmer having that tatoo, how long has she been stuck in that 10 year repeating cycle of war? Rex and shulk were basically recreations with their memories intact so theres that. I just think 3 and the dlc take far enough into the future were the original rex and shulk are long gone, and without her reason for being, returned to the crystal.
@@WillieG-jh6jz idk if I’m just reading your wording wrong, but Nia and Melia were already the queens during the time of Future Redeemed. They were never turned into data and stored in Origin, the devs just didn’t think it was necessary to see them in FR, I guess
Riku's master is Melia. He talks about it at the workshop in FR.
This
@FadeOut Yeah, I misread that dialogue. My bad
I thought it was Tora
and yet noah throws that blade away to the ocean lol. It just backfires if you love xc1, noah should just go into the ocean and start diving into the depths to find it again.
@@Magic0YT He should go salvaging like Rex for it
0:50 she was Pyra’s daughter. People don’t inherit personalities directly from their parents. Glimmer being Mythra’s niece makes perfect sense.
well technically they do; you can inherit genetic pre-cursors for personality traits from your parents
@@sonicsenryaku6205 though seeing how close pyra and mythra are, they couldve acted as mother to any of the 3 children, which couldve incited glimmer to take on mythras character although her biological mother was pyra
@@Aykalia Absolutely; I agree. I just wanted to make clear that you can inherit personality precursors from your parents
Seeing the nature of the two. I can see pyra's child having the personality more akin to Mythra.
@@sonicsenryaku6205 oh for sure
The easiest explanation is usually the most correct. Alpha was unable to manifest at full strength outside of origin. It needed an avatar to exert it's will within Aionios. It would then logically follow that the same is true for the other trinity cores. The fists of the end and the sword of the end use the Pneuma and Logos cores respectfully as becoming those weapons power sources was Mythra and Malos's way of opposing Moebius and Alpha, whilst being unable to act otherwise.
On the topic of lifespan. Rex and Shulk weren't absorbed into the flow when Aionios was born. They do not age, and as such have opposed Moebius for ages. Mio is Rex's child. That's very clear, that's consistent. Rex doesn't get involved with Matthew because there's no real reason too. City folk lived distinct and separate lives from the casts of xc1 and 2. It's quite likely that Rex had no idea N made Mio into a Moebius. The liberators were a separate faction from the city...at least until they weren't any longer, and by that point it was too late. There's no reason to assume that Rex isn't the father. Mio had his golden eyes. Nia all but spells it out to her in their questlines. Mio was very obviously in the picture. The picture itself frames Rex in the center. He is the father of them all.
Concerning the sacrifice. I get the impression that a lot of people are misunderstanding that. Rex and Shulk's own data were in the backup archives of origin. And given their importance to the universe and what's going on, and how they know everything, they knew as much going in. They became replacements for Pneuma and Logos, until the day would come this would all go back to normal. This means that when the world was reset, they would be alive again, and they would have their youths and uninjured bodies back. And they would get to live and see their children grow up. Rex alluded to this actually. Glimmer was no doubt older then she was when Aionios began. Seeing her look so much like her mother threw him for a loop.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Linka says in her dialogue right before she gets added to your community that some people including herself, Rex, Shulk, Riku and Panacea (presumeably Nia and Melia too) stopped the age process as they entered Aionios, which would still allow Mio to be Rex's daughter.
I don't know that that's true for Panacea and Linka but it is for the others.
@@wildblack1 considering it was her dialogue and she does make references to knowing what her dad was like and this information does come directly from her, I'm actually more confident it is the case for her and Panacea than Nia and Melia.
She doesn’t say they stopped aging. She says they just appeared in this world.
And as we know A saw all that happened in the game…so it was likely Alvis doing stuff so fate ran its course
Either way Na'el has a flesh eater core crystal pretty much confirming she's related to Nia, Mio just happened to not get that trait. Idk if Matthew has a core crystal but if he does and it looks like that as well that's just more confirmation (plus they both have very prominent Agnian traits and if Na'el has Nia's healing factor, that's another reason for Alpha to make her his avatar)
@@b-d9099 Mio also has flesh eater core crystal look at her character design man.. It's on her chest.. And for Matthew still unknown but most likely he have because he counted as Agnian because of his irises..
I assume Pyra and Mythra chose to return to their core to help power origin as basically the reset switch for after origin fully initiates. This also explains why the power of ouroboros is used to stop the endless now.
As for Rex and his relationship to Matthew and why he is seemingly younger then his grandson Ghondor is easily explained by the fact that Rex and Shulk exist outside the flow of time in Aionios. Also being why they along with A become the new avatars of Origin after the defeat of Alpha.
And Matthew (assuming Mio is Rex and Nia's daughter) would be Rex's Great Great Grandson.
The reason that Shulk, Rex or any of the original humans from the two previous worlds don't age, is because anything from those two worlds don't follow time. This is because at the time that we play in X3, time is paused by Moebius. However, anything new e.g. the Citizens of the City, the Soldiers, etc do age, because they follow time as normal. This is why we see Riku at the same age in base X3 as well as Future Redeemed.
this doesnt explain why they dont age because by that logic all the soldiers shouldnt age either since they existed before the worlds merge. theres many plot holes in the story and this is just one of them
@@oliz5063 The soldiers are literally reborn in new bodies as clones.
@@joelsasmad then why rex and shulk weren't reborn as soldiers?
Because they were too old. For whatever reason, only young ones were pulled into the cycle.
In would lean more towards, the idea that Rex, Shulk, and all those we see as unaging were in Origin but not in stasis when the merger happened. All of those in stasis remained there. When the Endless Now was formed those who were not in stasis began their fight with Moebius until Alpha arrived. Moebius took the cloning tubes early on and used it to create clones within Aionios which would age in that world, while those from before would not. That is how they are able to continuously reclone the same people.
I think Alpha didn’t let them enter the world Physically because he was afraid they would go against him
In my head, the world of Aionios was created by the fear the collective unconscious of the souls in Origin felt, through the manifestation of X, Y and Z. Then, I believe that Alpha just took advantage of the fact that Citizens existed and could procreate, so that he abandon this world and the previous ones in favour of a new one, carrying all the Citizens in his Ark.
Or perhaps Alpha had orchestrated the whole Intersection business to achieve his objective...
Honestly, I wasn't really bothered by Pyra and Mythra not showing up, or rather was _less_ bothered by that than the fact that they were brought up as Glimmer's mother and as Pneuma, but those two roles were never implied to have been the same people. Matthew may have had the original Pneuma Core within his gauntlets, but it kind of doesn't hit as hard for me when we've gone the entire game staring at another Pneuma Core on Glimmer's chest that nobody seems to notice. Nobody even acknowledges how similar it looks to the Ontos Core when Na'el wears it.
To be fair glimmer’s core is just inherited, it doesn’t matter if it’s the same shape or not
@angeldude101 I get that for sure! I was also bothered that no one brought up Glimmer’s identical crystal. What bothers me more is that, as far as I remember, we never really got an explanation as to how some of the characters in Xenoblade 3 randomly have core crystals but aren’t blades themselves seeing as “people blades,” for lack of a better term, don’t exist in Aionios. I would’ve liked if they gave us some sort of reasoning behind that unless former blades just magically converted over to people.
To be fair, the Core Crystal is the first thing her dad noticed.
@@DerajjParallax its believed that the "Gift" Klaus gave at the end of Xenoblade 2 was freeing Blades from the core crystal system and effectively making them "Human". It would explain the reason why blades and humans are suddenly able to cross breed with each other.
@@lavaeater5 Blades weren't really trapped by the system. They were trapped by Indol, which has already been taken care of by that point.
Also that "gift" could've been so many things that it's practically become meaningless.
3:25 Riku states his masterpon is Melia during this conversation, too
😂 yea
Bro really said "it's not mentioned" while playing footage of it being mentioned.
6:45 guys. THE GANG STOPPED AGING WHEN THE ENDLESS NOW STARTED. To age normally, you have to be a soldier or a Citizen born in Aionios. How else do you think Riku and Melly survived until base game?
I think it would make narrative sense for Interlinking to require Logos and Pneuma's power. Interlinking is a reflection of the Jungian idea of the Union of Opposites, and Logos and Pneuma always stood in opposition, both in XC2 and before in the Trinity Processor, as Ontos was supposed to mediate between them.
That’s interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks for that insight!
My headcanon based on just observations is that when the world's began to collide, alrest and bionis realized they needed to reboot the system, recreate the trinity processor. Klaus's last gift was to unbind pyra/mythra from the aegis core crystal, that's why they were both alive and separated. The pmuema core crystal is no longer part of the trinity processor, and pyra/mythra can live on with rex. SO this leaves 2 massive holes that need to be filled. rex gives his life to reside in pnuemas spot in the processor, I feel like that would be his place in the world - to make others happy and alive. shulk gives his life as logos' part, being a strong person willing to give anythingto keep the world alive for his wife and kid, finally completing the trinity. The shulk/rex we see in-game are just avatars or "blade" forms, they're not truly the real shulk/rex and that's why they aren't sacrificing themselves at the end of the game. That's also why Melia has the monado REX in keves castle, as a reminder of the sacrifice required for this world. "Those two" definity refer to pyra/mythra since they're such strong fighters, and "them" gotta be the previous logos/pnuema core crystals, since pnuama gave her life to rex at the end of 2 and nothing bad happened.
@Eric Slygh I like that theory!
Rex receiving all the teasing for being the stand in for the female core in the Trinity after origin reboots and life carries on? 😜
the "rex was talking about logos and pnuema" is actually what i was thinking when i got to that part of the story
Rex is an avatar from Origin. They literally say that in the end scene. Rex was sealed away in origin but like some beings, could make an avatar of himself. Which had a human composition and life span. He gives up his Avatar's lifespan for Glimmer like Shulk does for Nikol. They aren't dead, but they can not become Avatars again. It's why they say they will be waiting. Mio is Rex and Nia daughter because she was born before the world's merged and Aionios was formed. So Rex's Avatar came to be when Alpha came to be to destroy the world. Rex and Shulk and Matthew want to protect the world and give them a chance to fix things where as Zed protects the world to sage guard the endless now.
The core crystals thing is another instance of an avatar but for pyra and mythra, their avatars came in the form of a blade. Same with Logos. It's a short hand explanation but it's one I see a lot of people forget. The mention and execution of Avatars. That isn't the real Shulk and Rex in a physical sense. Just like the core crystals aren't the real deals. It's why Noah's sword is just a regular old sword at the end of Base 3 and he could throw it in the Ocean. What about Nia and Melia? Stasis. Melia was sealed in stasis on Origin and Nia kept her self in a literal stasis pod. So while they ARE the real versions of themselves, the others aren't. Hell, fun fact. Most beings of Aionios are just clones using data from Origin. So technically all of the Avatar talk in future redeemed is just full circle of how the cycle works in base 3
when did they say rex was sealed away in origin?
They don’t give up becoming Avatars. They litterally choose to join A in being the Avatar. They give up their life span because they won’t need it any more.
So what's the deal with Linka and Panacea? How come they remember the old world? What exactly are they?
@ollie
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At 55:16
A explains that the world needed an Avatar but not any more. She refers to herself but notice shulk and Rex speak for themselves. It'd why the three simultaneously begin to fade. The characters who don't understand (Matthew, Glimmer and Nikol) question why they are sacrificing themselves. Rex and shulk confirm they aren't. Rex states it them "taking a breather" and shulk says "We'll be waiting". It isn't directly stated but heavily implied with what they talk about. To assume shulk and Rex survived for all this time is impossible. Aionios has clearly existed for a long time prior to Future redeemed. So it's the only logical conclusion.
@Franz Ferdinand
As for Panacea and Linka, that is one cobbled mess I'm still trying to wrinkle out. It is very implied who their parents are and I believe it to be Sharla, Reyn, Zeke and Pandoria. The only explanation for them existing is not being avatars but rather freed from the clock and the cycle. The implication here being thay maybe Shulk and Rex weren't the only ones to come back as Avatars. That isn't confirmed nor is the method used to free them. That's the only part of this that gets me. I'm open to suggestions lol
I was under the impression that characters that retain their memories from before the endless now are unaffected by the flow of time.
It would explain why riku doesn't age, as well as rex and shulk not aging very much beyond the intro cutscene
@Freduccini That’s probably true! So everyone born before the endless now is unaffected by the cycle?
@Barley okay I follow you. I was under the impression that he was just essentially resurrected but that makes more sense
@@DerajjParallax I always assume that people who have memories of before the endless now are unaffected by “time” passing because time never really does pass
Because time is never really passing, they’re just stuck in the same moment of what I’m assuming is a pocket-dimension outside the reality of real earth
In fairness, Riku is a Nopon. They can comfortably live 100s of years. Riku could be again and we would not be able to tell.
@@mrbubbles6468 the endless now lasted well over 1000 years
I can’t remember the exact details but I think Panacea or Linka mentioned something along the lines of when Aionios was created, specific people survived the fusion while everyone else stayed as data stored in Origin. I believe this is what happened with Pyra and Mythra as well as nearly every other character we know and love. Riku even mentions how the Lucky Seven has “important people” inside. I think since Melia was involved in its creation, it actually contains the souls of *seven* people: Reyn, Fiora, Sharla, Dunban, Riki, Kino, and Nene. After all, we see the Monado III created by uniting the power of each party member’s will to save the future against Zanza, so perhaps that’s where Lucky Seven draws its power from. I think Pyra and Mythra themselves are just inside of Origin, but their Pneuma Trinity Core remained intact, and those fighting against Moebius probably used it as a power source for Ouroboros. It’s also probably why Noah (the Noah who became N) has the Sword of the End. It was probably given to him to fight against Moebius and it contained the power of Logos. I want to believe that even after Bionis and Alrest fused back together that Pyra and Mythra were okay.
Obviously this is all my personal interpretation and yours in this video makes sense too.
Also, I don’t think Pyra and Mythra would actually want to fight anymore, so in my opinion it’s fitting that their role is their Pneuma Core being a power source for the ones actually fighting.
Riku's Masterpon is Melia, he says it in the same scene you referenced haha. Also given the dialogue in that scene it seems Riku's Dad is Kino, not Riki.
@Ian Prizer I went back to watch that scene about Riku's master again and I realized I was reading the line where Riku said "Masterpon of Riku was friend Melly" like this: "Masterpon of Riku was friend OF Melly." I swear I watched that scene like 5 times but I guess my brain just kept shoving an extra “of” in there each time
Another interesting thing is that an ouroboros form seems to only be activated by a male and female pair. Pneuma represents the female persona, while Logos represents the male persona. Ouroboros is a combination of a male and female and as you said, it’s the combination of Logos and Pneuma’s power
About the age of Shulk and Rex in Future Redeemed, I think an easier explanation is that Rex and Shulk were awakened from Origin someway only to stop Alpha (I think this is implied in some dialogue with Linka). So, they were awakened at the same age they had before the worlds colapse even after centuries passed after the beginning of Aionios, which is implied because several reincarnations of Noah and Mio fight against Z before the two become Moebius. Another possibility would be that they don't age at all while in Aionios, which is also the case with Riku, who survived for centuries despite Nopon lifespam being the same as a human lifespam.
Lifespam…. Now all i can picture is everyone’s lifeforce being held in a tin can, great
Lol
It is possible that Rex didn't know who his daughter married since they admit that they actually don't keep tabs on their children's fates, and A isn't about to tell them where their children are either since she needs Mio. Rex also never sees a picture of Matthew's great grandmother either so he doesn't connect the dots, especially since Mio's name is never mentioned in his presence, and Na'el's core is covered up for most of the game, and Matthew, if he has one covers his up as well. So, anything that could be used to identify Mio isn't there is carefully hidden from Rex so he can't make the connection.
Glimmer is 100% Pyra’s daughter and not Mythra’s. Mythra’s baby has distinct blonde hair while Pyra’s baby had the same hair color as Glimmer. Tbh I think Glimmer has a personality more like Mythra because they realized they didn’t want to make her the exact same as her mother. A Pyra 2.0 if you will because ironically Glimmer’s statue in the base game says she was known to be incredibly gentle and kind and that you wouldn’t know she was a soldier…making her sound like she was initially supposed to be more like Pyra. Whether this is an intentional inaccuracy to subvert expectations or it was retcon.
It’s not an inaccuracy. Glimmer is incredibly kind. The only reason she’s abrasive to the party at first is they ruin her entire way of life and then in essence kidnap her. Then force her to fight with them. While blatantly not really explaining stuff. Anyone would be a bit standoffish.
@@mrbubbles6468 gentle is not how I’d describe Glimmer nor especially kind. At least not to the point that her statue described her. She is rather violent trying to kill Nikol the moment Mathew and A leave to get food. She was also berating Nikol for being a coward and not fighting back. This is before she even is forced to tag along with Matthew, Shulk and Rex and before she is abandoned by her colony. The situation was explained to Glimmer many times she just was in denial which led to her running. Even after fighting the Moebius that tried to kill her with the merged Feronis, she was still in denial and saying she won’t let the enemy get in her head. It’s not till the later chapters that she has 100% clearly changed her negative outlook on her situation(especially after her bonding moment with Rex). Despite this she still keeps a rather moody and abrasive attitude. Its basically just part of her charm and personality. Perhaps inaccuracy is harsh but it’s either an exaggeration by those that wrote the statue or Glimmer really mellowed out overtime(which now that I think about it I’m leaning towards)
Glimmer maybe Pyra's daughter but she exudes 100% simpleton energy.... thats right much like Mio taking some aspects of Pyra, Glimmer takes aspects from Mythra... meaning Mythra's child will take some aspects from Nia.
at least maybe... unlike said simpleton they know how to cook
@@westonmeyer3110 to be accurate, Pyra, Mythra and Nia all seemingly lived near Rex, and it would make sense for them to share one house. Due to the nature of Rex's marriage, the kids taking after one of their non-biological mothers would not be that crazy.
@@derpfluidvariant0916
Yes, but in the case of Pyra and Mythra they are basically identical twins but even closer so their offspring would be especially close to Pyra/Mythra because their mother is that close to Pyra/Mythra.
I think as the world's were coming together and they started building origin pyra and mythra decided to fuse back together as they knew that their full core crystal would be needed in origin
Could be!
This lore is so insane and cool!! Thank you for making this video!
No problem, thanks for watching!
@@DerajjParallax yw!
6:41 I need to find this dialogue again to be 100% sure but I’m pretty positive that in FR Linka says everyone from the original worlds no longer ages while in Aionios because their bodies aren’t accustomed to it, unlike the people who were born within this new world. So Rex is very old without having physically aged much if at all, and Mio is still definitely his daughter judging by the picture and her interactions with Nia in base 3s post game.
I can just hear Mythra and Malos curse at Noah as he tosses them into the ocean.
I like your take on the giving life force to Rex and Shulk even if it doesn't really make sense how or why she'd choose Shulk. Because that would mean at the end, the Loss of Ontos to uphold origin as the avatar (Full Aegis Core) can be replaced by the power of half of Ontos (A) and the residual life force of Pneuma in Shulk and Rex (bar whats given to Glimmer and Nikol) can make up just enough to keep Origin running, but not enough to keep it floating in the air and invisible (hence why it crashes but is still functional).
I was under the impression that the trinity processor, and thus the three cores, were needed to power Origin and stop the two worlds from annihilating each other. This was also my understanding of the ending of the dlc, where A, Shulk and Rex became the avatars, essentially standing in for the three core crystals so that Origin could be rebooted safely
I think its pretty simple of why only some people are around. I believe shulk and/or rex mention that it was a fluke of origin, and they aren't sure why the specific people made it into aionios intact, but those people who did are the liberators. So, the rest of our parties from 1 and 2 could just be in origin as data still.
I think the idea of Rex and Shulk being avatars makes sense because after the ending of the base game you can see only an instant has elapsed between the collision of the worlds at the start and the game ending and nothing actually changed.
That would imply the thousands of years of Aionios happened in an instant in the real world and all of their inhabitants were likely living inside a simulation born from the fears and desperation from the people in both worlds.
They were all kind of dreaming and that's why Noa recognizes Mio's flute: he still had the memories of their collective dream.
Maybe even the separation of worlds at the end of the base game was part of that simulation, since the worlds successfully merge at the very end.
Melia is Riku's master it's said in one of the side conversations.
It said in the very side conversation they showed off as well
@@mrbubbles6468 This is true. Which is why its baffling that he completely missed that
And riki is confirmed his father from another dialogue
@@arjunaadjinna Either Riki or Kino, as both of them had "travelled alongside his Masterpon"
@@Michail_Chatziasemidis true
if noah's gaunlet's was actually pnuema then that would mean at the end she was back to the sea again, thus that's why the ending song is called "where we belong"
Another entity we didn't hear from in XB3 or FR was Logos/Malos, but I have a theory as to why: the Logos core crystal is in N's sword. First and foremost, with all it's katana-y aspects his dark Lucky Seven looks strikingly similar to Malos's dark Monado from XB2 & Torna, even moreso than Noah's LS. Second, now that we know Pneuma's core crystal was in the Fists/Sword of the End we also know that both final fights in the base game and DLC have access to both the reality-warping powers of Origin metal + 2/3rds of the Trinity Processor in the form of said core and A in FR/her help from inside Origin in the base game. The only Xenoblade superpower we're missing in both cases is Logos and the fights basically come to a standstill, that is until N jumps in both times. It's also notable that, even though he was nowhere near as interested in the other iterations of Noah's lives, Z attempted multiple times with both N and Noah to get them to join his ranks. Why? Well, it stands to reason that Z knows that both have a Trinity Processor core crystal that only they can call. Hell, N even seems to know that the Fists of the End have Pneuma's core in them based on his actions in FR, and if N knows then it's nearly certain that Z knows. Also something interesting to note is that, while the Conduit disappeared in XB2, it seems like the Trinity Processor core crystals still have all the power they had before after over a thousand years so they either still are calling upon the Conduit from another dimension or they have so much latent power still in them that they might as well be limitless if combined together just from the feats in XB3+FR.
This means that, during the final fights of both XB3 and FR, the main cast have access to the reality-warping powers of Origin + all 3 Trinity Processor cores and possibly even the Conduit itself.
"Those two" was referring to Logos and Pneuma, thats why when Rex says to A "those two wouldnt bat an eye at helping" it instantly pans to Sword of the End (Logos) and Matthews Oroboros powers (Pneuma). Its not referring to Pyra and Mythra as they are Pneuma and their power manifested into the Oroboros powers. As when Matthew unleashed the Oroboros power to its max his core cyrstal showed and Rex and A both notice the green light it admits. Thats also why its symbolic as Pnuema and Logos power combined is what took down Alpha.
I might be mistaken but I believe riku says in his workshop at one point that his masterpon was melia
@mariosonic32497 I must’ve missed that! Was it a different conversation from what I showed in the video?
It was in the scene about lucky seven in the workshop that you showed lol. You must have glossed over it but he said his masterpon was friend melly
@@DerajjParallax Literally the exact same scene you showed
At the end of the game, Rex, Shulk, and A all mention they are using avatars. Their real, aging bodies are not in the game. I think they are paused at their current age because the fusing of worlds and creation of Aionios all take part in the span of a few seconds. I think A/Alvis is allowing them to assist in restarting Origin. This does make it that Mio is his daughter, and Matthew his great, great, grandson. When the worlds finally combine again, they return to their current age before the halting of time.
@jreddie92 That makes sense! I could be misinterpreting it, but I understood it as they were becoming avatars in the place of Alvis instead of already inhabiting avatars so that’s the thought process I had. So does that mean that they stopped aging after their battle with Alpha (not sure if we know when that took place) since they got their battle wounds from that?
@@DerajjParallax They may have stopped aging in that fight, or I could be completely wrong because they do look older and it could be something else entirely. The only thing that is certain is that they return to the form and age they had before the endless now occurred.
@@jreddie92 I kinda figured they just haven't been in the endless now since it's beginning, and are fairly new to the world since the City people would probably know about them already if they had been around for a long time. We don't even know how they are alive in Aionios so that seems most plausible to me
My guess is Pyra and Mythra returned to core form as a sacrifice to power origin as a trinity processor with them leaving their blades to Nia in a spiritual sense? That or nia just loved her wives and the catalyst one is her bond to rex specifically. Also they (pneuma core) may have data that helped repair a logos core (or atleast enough to where itd come back once the worlds combined and both ontos and pneuma cores made up any missing data) and eventually the vandham family line / nia took those 2 cores but alpha perhaps forcibly awoke to Z coming into existence ? Since he seemingly did return to his core in the world of the bionis and his core was used on their side of origin. I absolutely can see the Pneuma girls doing a sacrifice again just like they did originally in 2's ending but this time for the fate of 2 worlds. Hoping to be reawaken if the worlds resplit or combine correctly.
It sorta felt like the surprise was more that the other Processors were going loud all of a sudden, and acting within Origin on an unexpected level.
I'd assumed that they were standing as anchors on the Alrest side of Origin and as such a lot more limited in how they interacted with what was happening inside... and this was them stretching things a little bit to tip the odds in favour of the party. Alvis, Alpha and A acting inside it throws a bit of confusion onto things, but the Origin project regardless of anything else was going to take a monumental amount of power to achieve its goals, and I don't think there's many things that would be able to feed it more power than an Aegis... and they're the only one active on either side given that Ontos was being used as the internal core.
There's also the fact that Nia's Lifesage class comes with a pair of ghostly Aegis Swords floating around, so that sorta feels like the pair of them are poking around to help those they're particularly close to in subtle ways, and are only limiting themselves to that level of assistance because they're busy handling the external side of things on the Alrest end of things.
This is probably not the most coordinated post since it was made at 4am... but maybe I've shaken a few ideas loose?
Hm, those are interesting thoughts! I never gave that much thought. I did always think Nia and even Rex’s “aegis swords” were merely replicas, but what you brought up could be the case too. Speaking of power levels, I also wonder just how much power Pneuma and Logos had left after the conduit left their dimension seeing as that’s where they got most of it from.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Noah’s sword and N’s sword two different Blades? They’re aesthetically different and Riku had Lucky Seven while N was going around with his Sword of the End, so it wouldn’t follow that Noah’s Lucky Seven had Logos’ data
I mean if Ontos can split into Alpha and A, Pneuma can split into Mythra and Pyra then what speaks against Logos also splitting up into two parts which both reside in N's sword and Lucky Seven respectively.
IDK if you have done all the side quest and Kizuna view yet but.. there are more information there.. first Riku Masterpon IS Melia..Second if you already done the Ouroboros stone Kizuna view it's shows Rex knew Nia give the ouroboros stone to the city and he looks so sad when he talked about Nia too.. So he knew she gonna got frozen in the tube in the main game maybe he is the one who told her to do that.. And at last before they merged Liberators and The City are two different organizations and they live in the different place in Aionios that's why Matthew doesn't know Colony 9 in the start of the DLC and that's maybe also Rex surprised when Matthew have Pneuma Crystal.. because he doesn't know a thing inside of The City at first and only knew they exist because of Nia give the Ouroboros stone to them..
I personally like to think that they found a way to separate their bodies from the core just like how it’s implied at the end of Xenoblade two that blades now act like regular humans and when they die they just die and cents in the main game of Zeno blade three people can still have core crystals without being a blade In some weird way I think they at least did die in Xenoblade three but are still alive when the worlds separate then come back it’s complicated but I don’t think they’re gone for good
8:02 it might also be explained by, I don’t know, Glimmer having almost gotten herself and Rex’s soldiers killed because she couldn’t handle freedom from the Flame Clock yet? Maybe she needed a bit of tough love after that.
They are both from races known to live much longer than homs. Both can live for hundreds of years.
When in a conversation in Colony 9, I think it was with LInka, there is a mention that people from both worlds were transported into Aionios while others were absorbed into Origin, I thought that maybe that had been the case with Zeke, Morag, Tora, and both Pyra and Mythra.
But, I consider a more likely scenario for Pneuma not to be in the game is that for Origin to work in the first part, the Trinity Processor was required to save the people in both realities, something Pneuma would have agreed to sacrifice her "humanhood" to protect the people in Alrest and Bionis.
Lucky Seven was made by Melia who is the Masterpon. It was specifically made to end Z's "Endless Now" and Aionios. Logos/Malos power is that of Destruction, to bring an end to world's. That's why he was used in the blade. Pneuma has the opposite property to heal or extend a world's life or as some call it Manipulation. That's why she as the Fists of the End which somehow became Noah's blade Veiled Sword/Truthsinger made a perfect sheathe for the Lucky Seven as Noah was afraid of it's overwhelming power.
Just saying it would be really cool to see more of Malos. Hopefully in XC4, although I am aware it is highly unlikely.
Actually, the Pneuma & Logos core crystals was the data stored in the origin metal that N’s sword of the end and Matthew’s fists of the end were made of respectively.
So you’re saying the Pneuma core crystal in the fists of the end was a replica?
@@DerajjParallax Not exactly a replica, but just the data of Pyra & Mythra that was stored in origin for preparation of the worlds colliding.
My theory is that Mythra and Pyra agreed and somehow returned to their core crystal because it was only way to build and make Origin as well maybe they did something to rebuild Malos core crystal. Without Origin we knew everything would be lost so it would be not a surprise if M&P decide to sacrifice themself for some time, because probably after Origin would work Rex would re-awaken them again.
But we know Origin got messed up, Mobius showed up and all.
For second matter, of Shulk and Rex, my only headcanon that makes sense with them being in Aionios at this point of time, when we already know Noah and Mio lived for few circles and in last one they had kid before turning into Mobious is that Shulk and Rex were dragged out of Origin database a lot later. I think it was said in main game that only Melia and Nia beside Mobius were in Aionios from the start and when Origin started to work. Maybe Alpha going nuts wasn't thing at the start and when it did happen then Nia, Melia or someone else dragged Rex and Shulk data from Origin.
Or second theory is that original people from XB1 and XB2 that weren't a data and somehow were transported into Aionios when Origin started to work are immortal until something kills them. Melia is High Entia but even she wouldn't look so young as 1000+ years. Maybe it was Rex and Shulk case too.
Maybe Alvis going nuts was matter that M&P and Malos core crystals might been taken out from Origin core processor since as you pointed out in this video M&P core crystal ends in glove and Malos in the sword.
If Rex and Shulk were brought into Aionios later it would explain why Rex doesn't know where or what happened to M&P core crystal.
1:08 A fun fact here is that is kind of lost in translation is that when Matthew's fist start glowing in the colors of Pneuma's core, both A and Rex are shocked, with A saying "That light...". In Japanese the line is 「あの光は」which is the same as in English, but the kanji used for light is "hikari", which is Pyra's name in the Japanese version (just spelled in katakana, not kanji). So A, in a way, was saying Pneuma's name there.
Another fun thing is the use of a homonyms. "Sword of the End" is 「終の拳」 while "Fists of the End" is 「終の剣」. Both terms are read as "tsui no ken".
*Mythra's name
Pyra is Homura, though it is less relevant overall because Pyra is a more direct localization of it.
The reason Rex and Shulk still look relatively young despite many generations of people having lived and died in aionios at that point is because aionios exists within an instant in time in the original worlds and as they are among the very few people in that aionios that come from outside they dont actually age at all.
That's why to them everything they say about their adventures seems so distant and melancholic, at the point we meet them in aionios they have been around fighting moebius for possibly hundreds of years
Also I believe that pyra and mythra didnt really return to their core crystal, they're just within Origin working as the fabric of the world itself, still able to influence it to an extent by providing power to ouroboros, what proves this to me is that when Rex uses arts you can actually see him glowing with the effect from the affinity line from XC2, as if his bond with pneuma still gives him power snd makes his swords work. So even though they aren't physically around their presence still exists anywhere he goes
The masterpon of Riku is Melia, he states it in a conversation that you can easily miss.
In the very end of the game A says that time would keep on until one day someone was strong enough to free it from the endless cycle, and even though it might be centuries until that happened, it would have felt like a mere glimpse, as if nothing that ocurred during that time happened, and so what we see at the end of the DLC is not that they got to fix the world and the story in the base game transcurs in that world, but rather the unified world is the one Noah and the others created after the base game several years after, as time was frozen (which also explains why land seems to float in the sky) but in reality it was just mere seconds.
What I would think is the reason behind many people not being present or alive in the game is that Origin serves as an ark meant to presserve life from the cataclism of an imminent destruction (which didn't happen at the end), we get a glimpse right before we get to Z's theatre of something that seems to be an array of core crystals, and so the reason for it existing would be to give the people inside the cycle several opportunities until they can find a way to save both worlds, and so I would think the people outside the cycle might be able to watch from the inside like core crystals and may return to life once the world is fixed, or they could have just died from natural causes, either way that's why I also think that's the reason behind Noah's name and the reason all the people inside the cycle seem to be very young of age
Kinda re minds me of ark survival evolved, where everyone is digitised and sent up with the arks to save them from the apocalypse , where the ascended humans who have become little more than machines mix and match people endlessly from different eras and walks of life to create a strong enough society that can return a fix earth. People that die on the arks are saved along with both there original memories from before the arks and any new memorys they aquired on the arks, when the system feels the need to respawn them to try a New mix centurys could have passed since there death, yet they come back just like before
Another thing to think about. Is that the ouroboros represents infinity, by showing a serpent swallowing its tail (the end) with its mouth (the beginning) which is fitting, because I would say that Pneuma Logos and Ontos also represent beginning, infinity, and the end.
Logos being the end (as the end, would most definitely being total darkness)
Pneuma being the beginning (because in the bible, God spoke "let there be light, and there was light" signifying the beginning.)
And Ontos being Infinity, or the infinite power of a god, or something that attempts to replicate that power.
It's interesting that the game that focused on pneuma, the light, the beginning, would be the game that preceeds the game that deals with putting an end to infinity. As you could say the actions of Shulk and Rex on Xenoblade 1 and 2 were the light to start the world of Aionios, and Noah, would be the one to bring the "eternal now" to an end. Bringing the infinity to an end, with the power of the beginning and end, in order to destroy Aionios, and move to the future where the two worlds can exist in harmony.
@Ari The Dragon Good point! Ontos could also be the beginning since when A breaks away from him, he becomes Alpha which can mean “the beginning” as it’s the first letter of the Greek Alphabet and in the Bible God calls himself “Alpha and Omega” or the “beginning and the end” since omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. I don’t know what that would make pneuma but just thought it was cool
I suppose that Glimmer is a Pyra's daughter because on the photo in the end of main game Pyra holds a child with the same hair color as Glimmer. The last's temper is an obvious gig on Pyra's and Mythra's personaloty
There is an affinity conversation with Linka or Panacea where they state that they along with Rex and Shulk survived the collision of the two worlds, though they don't know how. So those four are at least 100+ years old since Noah became N 70 years ago, and had already been through multiple loops by that point. It is probable that anyone that managed to survive the collision was made some sort of proto-Moebius or something.
One of the many mysteries we'll possibly never get solid answers for.
gotta say: Rex and Shulk being not basically dust by the time of future redeemed might have to be something special reason noone really talked about (at least i haven't seen any informations). Like yeah Melia can live longer than a Homs, because she is a high entia, but even she would be long dead when the events of xenoblade chronicles happened. There was always talking about pacts and rules the old cast or nopon (like Riku) had to follow. Maybe they live on as data in this pemporary world and the trinity processor gave them this ability to do so without aging. I mean everyone of the ageless cast of the other games seemed to have some form of connection to any of the cores. It might be pre programmed in some way into origin.
I personally think it’s essentially the will of the world or “fated to happen” for an unknown reason. Almost like a safeguard for the two worlds that maybe Klaus implemented should something happen to make Ontos do what he did. If I remember right, I talk briefly about it some reasons in my “What Happened to Rex and Shulk?” video
1:33 That's what I thought too. The immediate obvious assumption would be Pyra and Mythra... But honestly, in the back of my mind, Both other Aegises would probably better to fight another Aegis than just 1 split in 2.
@Another Jason Exactly. I think they wanted us to think he was talking about Pyra and Mythra to lead us astray then blow our minds seeing as he references them so much throughout game. I’ll be honest, I had enough of the teasing when he said “if only those two were here” and I was sure they were about to show up. But what we got was honestly more interesting.
It’s clearly Malos and the Girls.
Almost straight after Rex says that N shows up and the true power of the Glove activates
Your video definitely give me ideas theory wise, pretty much, Matthew is the reincarnation of Pyra/ Myra/ Numa and N/ Noah is the reincarnation of Malos.
I also would explain why N & M keep reincarnating N is reincarnation of Malos and Mio is a flesh eater, and the daughter of Nia since she has her mothers DNA that allows her to reincarnate repeatedly. Because anyone from the original universe, will ages slower or reincarnates repeatedly depending on your DNA. even after homecoming.
I personally believe that Rex and shulk had there family’s in the separate but still merging worlds, and then pyra/mythra, nia, melia, and the kids were put in first. Then later or on a delayed timer shulk and Rex entered and were allowed to live in the world. This would explain how N and M’s family were there at the same time.
About Rex and shulks age. I think it’s the same phenomenon keeping Nia and Melia from aging. Like maybe people who fell out of the origin assimilation, like panacea and linka, age with their worlds, and since the worlds were stopped their aging was? Possibly people being born within the time of the Endless Now but not under the flame clock DO age according to their bodies. Whereas people born outside of the Endless Now had their aging halted with everything else.
You got a few things off. Melia made Noah's sword, Riku literally says so but Logos doesn't power all Lucky Sevens but Moebius as a whole while Pneuma powers Ouroboros as a whole and Ontos powers Origin.
Moebius, specifically Z, are powered by Logos but also use Ontos (or A after FR) for power when affecting Origin or the world which is why their colour scheme is both red and purple and why when Alpha took Origin from Z Moebius powers still worked since Logos powered them not Origin.
Also, M is Rex and Nia's daughter FR takes place about 100 Aionios years and Linka's affinity dialogue says her, Panacea, Rex, and Shulk were a few of the ones who weren't assimilated into Origin when the worlds collided. So why have Shulk, Rex, Panacea and Link lived for 100 years and Riku, Melia, and Nia for 1100 which Melia definitely should've been able to live and Nia maybe depending on luck? Its because anyone not assimilated by Origin don't age.
Rikus master is melia riku tells us in his bond scene
I think the easy theory is that pyra and Mythra returned to core form willingly to create the pneuma core crystal and that logos was found in new alrest like shulk found Ontos, or a retcon or something that we simply don't know, where either pyra or mythra when returning to core form, served as logos' crystal, this goes against the ending of XC2 and the photo at the end of XC3 as neither of them have the logos core crystal color
@Pralenka Man I never even thought about them willingly returning to their crystal. That’s a good point!
@@DerajjParallax don't actually know if it's possible, because Mythra created pyra to escape living as the aegis and even if that was because if her core crystal was to be awakened she would need to play as the aegis again
Still, even pyra didn't return to her core crystal, which 1. Means that she can't do that willingly, or 2. She still wanted to have memories of the aegis war and her purpose of fighting Malos whenever the time called for it
Still, I doubt something big happened in new alrest to kill Pyra and Mythra, so I do think it was a willing act
Why dose everyone seem to have such trouble understanding that EVERYONE from 1 and 2 (except for the Liberators for unknown reasons) are assimilated into origin until Aionios is destroyed. There isn't any reason to believe that Pyra and Mythra are any different. Rex wasn't looking for Pyra and Mythra because he knows where they are already, and he's fighting to save them along with everyone else.
Because that explanation is in a sidequest that not everyone played including myself until after I made this video lol
@@DerajjParallax but we knew that from base game 3. It isn't new information. And it's implied in other places throughout each game. I guess I get why people find it confusing though.
@@Minekings101 I must’ve missed it or it went over my head or something. Is it in the scene where Nia’s explaining everything?
@@DerajjParallax Nia and Melia both explain it, but not extremely clearly so I understand why people don't get it from that alone. But then there are scenes like Shulks talk with Riku on the Black Mountains, where they talk about how their friends are with them inside lucky seven (which is made of origin metal). There is a lot of scenes where it is explained, but never straight up said until that one side quest. I think people look at scenes individually and then forget about them when it's time to connect the dots, which makes sense I suppose. I'd just expect less people who are passionate enough to make videos to be missing it. Not a slam on you, it just surprises me how common it is/ was.
@@Minekings101 I get that for sure! I think if I went back and rewatched everything as a whole rather than just certain scenes, I would start to piece that together. And I don’t take that as an insult, I understand. I personally want people to call me out on stuff I miss or get wrong and even when they have a different theory than me. Better than me running around misinformed because I miss something lol
5:05 what? Matthew and his crew don’t Interlink like Noah and co. do. Actual physical tangible Interlinks were invented by Nikol and Riku after Matthew left.
Regarding the age of Rex (and Shulk): When I finished the game, I assumed both were just momeries that have been created by Origin as counterpart to Alvis and for whatever reason to act as founders for the City in a long term.
That could be the case! Interesting theory!
what...riku literally says who his masterpon is IN that conversation with matthew
Oh hey I just noticed that Malos called himself the Endbringer and Alvis calls himself The Beginning - Pneuma is probably supposed to be the life in between the beginning and end.
Also Pneuma + Logos together would act as a being with both the Anima and Animus - The male and female halves of the soul. Just like the main cast interlinking in male/female pairs to access their Ouroboros power. (Which would also be the full power of a properly put-together Alvis as he had both the Animus (Alpha - the Logos, the logical steady program) and the Anima (A - the Pathos, the chaotic flexible program) - which despite him always acting kinda like a computer, means he was the most human of his siblings, as all human souls have both Anima and Animus)
Yeah! Definitely a lot of parallels there. I didn’t even think about Pnuema and Logos being a representation of male and female interlinking
Linka mentions how, her Panacea, Rex, and Shulk exist outside of Origin. Which I assume means they're not immortal in the sense they can't die, but rather they stopped aging. Linka even gave enough hints to conclude that she's Zeke and Pandoria's daughter. I awhile back running some mental math fir how old Shulk and Rex are in Future Redeemed and the absolute youngest was 130 for Rex and 133 for Shulk
@Ben Sell Yeah, I need to play some more of those side quests to experience that dialogue for sure!
I don’t like how they just left out everything not answered. Because not confirming would mean we would never know if it’s true. Like is Mio, Rex and Nina’s daughter for example. Even though the game is hinting a bit, it doesn’t matter if it’s not confirmed. Because giving us a idea doesn’t mean it’s true. Because it’s not confirmed. Like with Pneuma crystal as well. There are so many things that’s just not said out. Like Rex could’ve told Glimmer, he’s her father. But People say when they fused in Ouroboros, they shared memories but once again, the game never confirmed it. So it leaves feeling unsatisfied because the game doesn’t show us that it’s confirmed
@FallenSnow I understand where you’re coming from as I felt that way at the end of pretty much every Xenoblade game and this one was no exception, but I’ve come to find it more fun speculating about it and coming up with my own theories for it
Riku master is Melia the one that created the sword and Riki is his dad as stated in the DLC. also Shulk and Rex are still alive because of the whole Alvis origin thing that their link to the trinity. as soon as alvis is defeated Both shulk and Rewx start to die it is clear they were been keep alive with it somehow. Mio is Rex kid that is clear he no knowing Mathew is not a argument against is because He did not know were Glimmer was till he saw it
Or Kino
I’m still wondering about another Rex kid with Mythra. Maybe in the next game he or she will appear. There’s one thing still bothering me, Nia how she could use Pyra and Mythra Aegis dual wielding water swords in the final fight on XC3? I just don’t remember she could create dual wielding swords
I’m thinking we’ll see Mythra’s kid in the next game. And I’m sure Nia was using replica swords kinda like I think Rex was. That’s just my theory though.
So how does this tie into Nia somehow have versions of Pyra and Mythras weapons as well as her own when she fights with you?
It could be that Pyra and Mythra both saw a way to live a normal life, while also granting Nia the power and knowledge needed to save the world through Origin. They might have transfered their Aegis power to her after being split up, as it likely either was too weak or didn't work after being split and the Coduit vanishing, and just went into the memory of origin like most of the population, leaving Nia with their power, as well as the info stored in their physical crystal to remain as tools to be used, knowing that anything they gave up then would be restored once the world was formed again...
If A in her fractured state could see what was to come all along, it's very likely that Pyra and Mythra could as well, meaning they knew from the start that Nia would need their power in the new world, and once the world was restored, all those sacrifices would be "redeemed" in this new world.
Plus, it's very likely that they plan a new series in this new world, and they need at least SOME easter eggs and reveals to give some fanservice, so i think many of the questions we have about where our belowed cast ended up will be directly or indirectly answered in whatever new series might come as a direct sequel series to XC1, 2 and 3...
These are some really good theories that make a lot of sense! I really hope we do get all these answers in a future game
I could be wrong but maybe pyra and mythra's souls are still stored in origin. Just not their crystal. I think its entirely possible they will just be reborn without the aegis crystals
Ok, so what does Noah's sword have to do with either of the aegis core crystals, if his original blade was one he presumably got from the army, and was a red sword even before it was used to hide Lucky Seven, and thus not the red gauntlets used by Matthew. So the random weapon given to him wouldn't contain the Pneuma core crystal, no?
And Lucky Seven itself also isn't the same weapon used by N, right? So why would it too contain Logos' core crystal?
Though I don't really get why his blade turns into a gauntlet when Lucky Seven is drawn, or why it glows green during it, or why Noah and N have such similar weapons in the first place. It was Riku's idea to do the whole "use blade as a sheath" thing, was he inspired by N when suggesting that?
i suppose glimmer really didn't notice the core in Matthew's glove
Good point. I’m guessing that yeah, she didn’t notice it for some reason. I wish we would’ve gotten some questions from her about it but I guess that would’ve slowed things down too much especially considering it wouldn’t be anything new to the audience.
Riku said (pretty sure to Nikol) that his master pon is Melia
Yeah he even said it to Matthew in the clip I showed and I misread that dialogue lol
Wasn't Noah's gauntlet just his blade modified to cover Lucky Seven and not the same gauntlets as Matthew?
@Diego Timon It’s the general consensus that Noah got it from Matthew seeing as they’re related. Plus, and I should’ve put this in my video, but Noah’s gauntlet glows blue green a couple times in the base game and they both look too similar to each other to be a coincidence. Riku was most likely the one to hold on to the knuckles after Matthew passed, and then he gave them to Noah. They didn’t really fit his fighting style so Riku modified them for him.
I guess Xeno did something to finally rival Kingdom Hearts most noticable quirk, its complicated lore, but just like KH the confusion doesn't bother me. I'm just glad there giving enough nods to know what has happened up to this point.
This is nowhere near confusing as KH is
Ok something that I still struggle to ubderstand: base game Noah doesn't have the power of Logos because it's not Lucky Seven to have his energy, but it's N's sword of the end.
So to my understanding the power of the lucky seven + gauntlets of the end Noah has is the combined power of Pneuma and the xeno 1 cast
Tbh I struggle to understand it too but I feel like the lucky seven Noah has the whole time also has Malos’ DNA in it. If we use the same logic to explain the reason for two Noahs on the sword of the end or lucky seven, I think we can assume that there are two swords of the end. This would explain how Noah would still have the power of Logos.
Maybe Riku and Melia made more than one blade and we just didn’t know or Z was able to extract a replica of the sword from Origin for N to use since it came from Origin in the first place. I could be wrong, but that’s just the direction I lean in.
...just so we're on the same page, the logos core was smashed and disappeared when malos died.
Right, but it his info was most likely stored in Origin much like a core crystal. Everyone and everything else was so why not him? Also, Aegises play by different rules so we may not know everything about them.
@@DerajjParallax I'm not sure about his info being in Origin. Origin was created well after he died, and it was made it house the souls/personalities of those alive when the worlds merged. Ontos is still around because he was active, same for Pneuma though she is back to her core for some reason or another. But there was nothing left of Logos, his core was broken and disappeared. I will say that his core vanishing with his body is strange, as we see with Obrona and Sever the core should remain even if it's broken.
@@Dunamos You make a good point. I personally like to think there’s just some rule that he’s able to break that we don’t know about since he’s an Aegis and part of the reason the world of Alrest and Bionis were created in the first place since he’s part of the Trinity processor BUT it’s definitely just a theory so it could be false.
Like I said, you make a very good point! Don’t take this as me saying you’re wrong because what you mention makes more sense. I just really want Malos to still be around or at least his essence or spirit lol. I appreciate you bringing up this discussion. Definitely fun to speculate!
Wait i just realized that means Malos was noahs sword. which mean its not just a really sharp sword its an aegis and is on par with the other two swords of Xenoblade. Nice
OK I’m about done with people saying Matthews gauntlets are Noah Sword that is covering Lucky seven it has literally been shown in the cutscene to be Noah’s blade that he summons in front of Lucky seven that is what covers lucky seven
@Yuya Sakaki But it can turn into a gauntlet similarly to Matthew’s Ouroboros knuckles. I think it could just be a really versatile piece of tech that we don’t fully understand. Or I could be completely wrong as it’s just a theory! It’s just fun to speculate and think about it all
I more question Rex not reacting to Na’el resemblance to Mio, Matthew’s photo and N’s memory with unmasked Mio. As confirmation, that Rex doesn’t know who Mio is in the original world than Rex’s age in Aionios.
Photo was more for the player convenience, Matthew likely never showed it to Rex. Nae'l tends to wear a mask for most of her appearances and covers up her crystal. By the time that she's in normal clothing the game is over and Rex doesn't have time confront that fact either. t
@@brightlight8852 Rex still know that Na’el had Agnian ancestry, and mention about core crystals, also the Rex did see Na’el without the mask in their first encounter. And like in the base game is stated that Na’el looked like Mio, still no thoughts of this supposed daughter of his entered his mind when he saw Na’el in Klaus’ world or M in N’s Memory. He had no reaction to her.
Unlike Glimmer, that once he got a good look at her, Rex recognized her resemblance right way. He didn’t recognized no resemblance to Na’el with Mio, it probably because maybe Rex doesn’t even know who Mio is.
@Shulkash87 Having Agnian ancestry doesn't immediately translate into a possible descendant to him. When they spoke about Core crystals, it wasn't about Na'el's but A's core. Hell by the time that he is able to see her without a mask he isn't about to actually interact with her due to her situation or it's such a high tension moment that he likely isn't connecting the dots (or doesn't want to). Also consider the fact that the game goes out of its way to never say Mio's name in front of Rex.
@@brightlight8852 You forgot a few things, if Rex was indeed related to Mio, firstly A would have told Rex about it, Linka would have mentioned the similarities of Na’el and Nia, because remember they saw Na’el unmasked, and there was bit of respite between the encounter with Na’el/Alpha and going to Prison island, where you could have a scene of Rex think about Na’el’s resemblance to Nia with Linka, and then A confirms his suspicions, but they didn’t do that.
Another thing, before Rex and Shulk left, Rex had an interlink Matthew and Na’el where they could have scene a memory of a Gormotti girl named Mio that look like Na’el, which I’m pretty sure that Rex would have commented on it if he was related to them, before he entered origin.
Basically it fails every form of logic to say that Rex couldn’t comment on it.
Basically there two possibilities, either Rex is a neglectful father, or Mio isn’t his daughter and Rex doesn’t know who she is. The former is unlikely based on how he is with Linka and Glimmer. So the latter is the only possibility.
@Shulkash87 Okay, your logic fails because you're ignoring a few facts and making assumptions.
1. You're assuming that M was visible to the characters, too, in spite of Ghandor and Matthew not even realizing that she was there. We saw her was just for the sake of the player, not for the characters.
2. There is no point in A telling Rex about Mio when Rex can't say anything to Matthew or Na'el anyway. Hell, A hid the fact that the whole encounter was planned to release Mio and Noah anyway.
3. The interlink is not the same thing as Ooborus, which showcases a character's history to another. Rex and Shulk interlinked, but they don't have ooborus.
4. The fact that Na'el looks like Mio is offset by the fact that Matthew is her brother. Do you honestly think that Rex would want to admit to the fact that his daughter got knocked up and is now dead? Rex has a third child and never talks about them either.
Heck, taking everything together, here are some more points that shoot holes into your logic. If Mio isn't Rex's daughter, then why did they go out of their way to hide her name? To hide Nae'l and also likely Matthew's core crystal? Why didn't M show up? If Mio really isn't Rex's daughter, then it wouldn't have mattered if she was there or not, if her name was mentioned or not.
But the fact that Nia herself implies Mio is her child is enough to debunk your logic unless you're trying to imply that Rex either didn't marry Nia or that she cheated on him.
Its likely that rex,shulk and other characters from the 2 original worlds age much slower then the people in the cycle. Since aionios is taking place in what is basically an extremely slowed down frame in time. And while the people z rebirthed from orgin age in a way he designed. People that didn’t get put in a core crystal inside orgin would age in the real time small frame. Since otherwise they would be long dead considering multiple generations of the city have existed in the time they aged only a few years. So its perfectly possible for rex to be mio’s father and ghondor’s grandfather.
I thought it was stated that Melia was Riku's masterpon
@Rei Sakisaka It is, I just missed it lol
Rex’s age doesn’t disprove that he is Matthew ancestor. Shulk mentions that people from the old worlds like him and Rex don’t age
about why pheuma returned to the core... what if... pheuma returned to her core just because to make origin works requires the trinity processors instaled in origin(pheuma and malos(his core probably repaired by pheuma herself) on alrest origin and alvis on bionis origin), so she returning to her core is something what is not outside of the realms of posibilities for them if is needed, because failing to complete origin meant annihilation.
as for rex(and shulk) not aging, might be related as to why they are some of the few people who are aware of the true nature of the world, perhaps that is what keeps them ageless
My theory is that at the end of Xenoblade 2 when Pyra and Mythra returned they were seperated because they each a full Aegis core crystal, meaning one has the Pneuma core and the other Logos core. I think Malos is dead, and instead the data of his core was transferred either Pyra or Mythra. And when Aionios was created and Z stopped time using Origin I don't think he had total control of world right away, because we know that he needed a "key" and he captured Melia however Riku says that Melia told him to give Lucky Seven to someone worthy, meaning the sword would most liked already be forged and we know it took 7 years to make. So, I think when Aionios was created both parties of 1 and 2 were fighting against X, Y, and Z as they gained power, Pyra and Mythra decided to sacrafice themselves in a way by returning to their cores and have Melia created Lucky Seven. We know Noah has not only been an Ouroboros multiple times, but also wielded Lucky Seven multiple times, meaning that Riku would've had to give it to him every time. However, when the version of Noah that became N died, his sword just layed there with kid Ghondor right next to it. We don't know where N and Ghondor were going, but eventually Ghondor would've found the Liberators and gave the sword back, however maybe they decided that since Ghondor was the son of the one worthy to wield the Sword of the End, he would've been given it. But as we see Ghondor is a martial artist, so he wouldn't have wanted the sword, so instead Riku took the sheath (with Pneuma's core in it) and gave it to Ghondor. Eventually he gave it to Matthew, and FR happened. I'll make a part 2 regarding N also having a Lucky Seven.
The reason N has a Lucky Seven is because when he died he reached Homecoming, meaning his essence returned to Origin. Yet Z was able to bring him back about 70 years later, this is because he Z draws his power directly from Origin, so he pulled N's data stored inside Origin which would include the memories of him wielding the Sword of the End, so Z was basically able to replicate it which is why there's 2. Why did he take 70 years to do that? Because we know Z was unrivaled or didn't have the need until Alpha appeared, and after seeing that he had returned when Na'el found the core, he brought back N because he was the only one who could've taken her out.
3:25 I feel like Kino was his dad
And wasn’t his Masterpon Melia?
@Pokeleo Antiqua His dad definitely could’ve been Kino. And yeah I missed the Melia part lol
Rex is an aegis driver like amathus it grants him slow aging
I thought Amalthus just aged slow because of his species
Also remember its not all doom and gloom.
After origin does its job and the worlds remerge into one. Both worlds will behave as if aionios never happened time wise so when nia said she will see them soon to the picture she ment it.
We know this because noah also returns to the moment before the worlds merge. So theres a happy ending for everyone regardless and pyra and mythra arent "dead"
@xavier lynch that was just one theory. I definitely think we’ll see them return
@DerajjParallax eh? I'm just saying they arent Dead at the end of xb3 nobody is. I don't think I was contradicting a theory.
@xavier lynch oh my bad. I was referring to when I said at the end of the video that maybe everything that Klaus influenced would be gone moving forward such as the trinity processor and the core crystals within. But I’m with you, I don’t think they’re dead
On the part of Vandham finding Pneuma's crystal. It's weird that the core manifested as Ouroboros powers but on Matthew it physically appeared. Which is weird because we've never seen a core crystal be decontrusted and used to summon power but able to manifest itself physically.
Then there's the issue that Rex and Shulk seem to age slowly (shulks alludes that aging is still a thing for him). We know that up until N was born, Z had control of origin and Alvis had still not shown itself. And somehow Shulk and Rex made a deal with Z for a peace treaty to deal with the new Alvis (Alpha). Somehow at some point, they stopped aging and not only that they had access to Ouroboros powers. Which likely means that Rex and Shulk were involved with the procedures but the dialogue implies that, after the city was destroyed, the refugees managed to take the stone. Shulk stating that he would take over research over it with Riku and Rex saying that he will protect the stone since for Nia it's important.
So whats happening? Why are Shulk and Rex separated from Melia and Nia and stated as if they never met after Aonios happened? Why are they not aging but the others are? And where did they end up after confronting Alpha and losing (heck where the heck is Z new theather since Origin was taken over by Alpha)? When did Melia had the time to get Monado Rex?
Heck how is Pneuma even a thibg without the conduit? SO MANY QUESTIONS
@Alejandro Rodriguez It’s so much to take in. We got waaaay more questions than we did answers in Future Redeemed
did fiora die during the worlds merging? did rex daughters die when the worlds merged and he n shulk survived?
@Knight OfWind As far as Fiora, we aren’t sure either but based on what Linka says about everyone being assimilated into Origin except them (which I realized after I made this video) we can assume that she was just assimilated into origin like everyone else, though it’s possible she could’ve died too. As for Rex’s kids, we assume Mio and Glimmer are two of his three daughters and his kid with mythra could have died but he/she was also likely assimilated into Origin like everyone else.
the liberators; those who survived the merge have their aging process slow down significantly, hence why shulk and rex look young, and why the vandahm family was able to carry on the bloodline for 2 generations while maintaining their youthful appearance
@ItsCrunkulous I must’ve missed that or may just not be remembering. When do they say that?
@@DerajjParallax its in the community quests in colony 9 if you complete all of them there'll be one with linkah and she'll be the one to bring it up
@@ItsCrunkulous That makes sense, I haven’t completed all the community quests yet lol. Thanks!
When it comes to Rex being alive when Matthew is, if you talk to Linka to add her as a gold community member, she says that when Aionios was created, a select group of people were not assimilated into origin. This includes herself, Panacea, Shulk, Rex, Melia, Nia, Riku and the 6 other hammersmith nopon. Possibly others too but they are irrelevant. This event likely gave everyone eternal life, considering Riku has been alive for centuries. So yeah he was just a common variety nopon that got lucky
As for how Matthew has Pneuma.. well Nia gifted the ouroboros stone to Ghondor and likely gave him the crystal too to help him find a way to unlock its true power. Of course he never did and passed his blade with the crystal to Matthew
@Poke Gamer Yes, I ended up watching that scene from Linka’s quest! Do we know when Nia said she gave the stone to Ghondor? Or is that just assumed based on the fact that his family has it?
@@DerajjParallax it was during the affinity scene outside dunban's house when talking about the ouroboros stone, it was gifted to the city by Nia and Ghondor was researching it. Considering Ghondor had the blade that Matthew now has, Nia likely gave it and the stone to Ghondor directly cause there is little logic to him having the core crystal out of nowhere.
We do know Nia was awake just before FR because she met with M at some point and she didn't come into existence as moebius until shortly before FR, also her line when talking to Melia in the base game "I simply did what needed doing and entrusted the rest to the right people"
This more than likely referred to just M before but may also have included Ghondor too
@@pokegamer1216 Okay, yeah I remember what you're talking about now. Thanks for pointing that out!
Glimmer is basicly pyras hair color and face, with mythras attitude and pneumas hairstyle.
Trying to connect the dots in XC3 always leaves me stumped