Intel's Taped & Glued Arc A770 GPU: Tear-Down & Disassembly of Limited Edition Card

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    In this video, we're tearing apart the brand new Intel Arc A770 16GB Limited Edition video card (it's not actually limited). All testing was conducted prior to the tear-down and the card, of course, still works. The A770 card is dressed-up with LEDs -- and they are nice -- but it uses a mixture of double-sided tape, glue, normal tape, and screws to hold it all together. This tear-down shows you how Intel built its new in-house board for the A770 GPU, but for the performance review & benchmarks, check out our other video on the channel.
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00 - Tearing Into Intel's A770 Card
    03:45 - The First Step
    05:04 - Just Yank Hard
    09:05 - Did Ya Hear the Quality?
    10:30 - BANG
    11:52 - A LOT OF TAPE
    14:27 - The Problem with the Backside Plate
    16:24 - The PCB is Free
    17:58 - Exterior Die Size A770 & More Glue
    20:30 - Taking Apart the Shroud
    23:45 - Insane Levels of Customization
    25:30 - Conclusion
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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Před rokem +193

    Watch our Intel A750 GPU review: czcams.com/video/de51aJ33dMk/video.html
    Grab a GN Tear-Down Toolkit! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit or a GN Large Modmat! store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large (both in stock & shipping at time of posting)
    Watch our Intel Arc A770 review & benchmarks: czcams.com/video/nEvdrbxTtVo/video.html

    • @Lamiishere
      @Lamiishere Před rokem +4

      Cringe Af

    • @SirPoppy
      @SirPoppy Před rokem +1

      @@Lamiishere the only cringe thing is your non-existant father

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Před rokem

      Intel is a Beast, the performance of this card is Ace a1😵🪴

    • @CalvinJary
      @CalvinJary Před rokem +4

      From the guys that brought you: AMD just glued together their chiplets comes: a truly glued together card

    • @lummoxicide1502
      @lummoxicide1502 Před rokem

      Hey Steve, does your team have any plans to release a shorty set of the GN screwdriver kit

  • @incollectio
    @incollectio Před rokem +7250

    A screwless design with only 55-56 screws. Impressive.

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL Před rokem +480

      It is also wireless.

    • @homelessEh
      @homelessEh Před rokem

      @@XtreeM_FaiL some one do the meme tictoc/yt short.. get an old busted videocard but take a Drill to it and screw like 30 Deck screws into it.. watch the intel sales pitch video of SCREWLESS design!! flash over to you holding your videocard thats literally got Deck screws all through it even take an old ide cable and screw screws all through the cable .. then look dissapointed at your Screw design videocard.. and fade out to you dreaming of a Screwless intel videocard.. then show the classic windows bluescreen as an ending lol

    • @lessthanlogical
      @lessthanlogical Před rokem +389

      Anything under 64 screws is practically no screws at all. This is a well known industry standard, yes?

    • @YiotisTheGnome
      @YiotisTheGnome Před rokem +86

      We should probably add another 1 or 2 on that number. 1 for Steve for going thru the whole process of tearing it down. And another for the poor person that has to put it back together. (probably Steve again).

    • @EwanMarshall
      @EwanMarshall Před rokem +46

      and multiple different kinds so you now must add factory processes to slow production to make sure the right ones go in the right place...

  • @Nomanspie
    @Nomanspie Před rokem +857

    Intel: "Check out our screwless design"
    GN: "this GPU is basically made of screws"

    • @JeanPiFresita
      @JeanPiFresita Před rokem +33

      But what is really laughable is that not even all 65 screws are the same... there are up to 5 different types among all of them... wtf?????

    • @getsideways7257
      @getsideways7257 Před rokem +15

      @@JeanPiFresita At least they didn't come up with custom heads...

    • @lop1652
      @lop1652 Před rokem +9

      @@getsideways7257 Yea, at least they are not Apple bad.... Yet.

    • @getsideways7257
      @getsideways7257 Před rokem +4

      @@lop1652 If they'll invest more into intricate design, we might see videos of even higher entertainment value once their next gen hits.

    • @getsideways7257
      @getsideways7257 Před rokem

      @The13thRonin Well, people always ask for variety...

  • @Sypher474
    @Sypher474 Před rokem +370

    Honestly looks like a laptop engineering and manufacturing team were outsourced by Intel for this. Very similar elements in many machines I've disassembled

    • @tomaszzalewski4541
      @tomaszzalewski4541 Před rokem +12

      Considering that this is Intel first serious try I propably wouldn't say outsourced more as they had to create the team from scrath. Remeber they mostly are making CPU's so their Graphics card looking similar is to be expected.
      Personally I m just happy that we finally have An RGB (AMD, Nvidia and Intel)

    • @deldarel
      @deldarel Před rokem +3

      @@tomaszzalewski4541 None of this seems very in-house. The design looks classic business-casual Intel and in line with their new stock coolers, but the finish, materials, assembly and build quality feel very out of place for intel. I think the in-house design went as far as a 3D cad render.
      My guess is that they banked on board partners to take over. The founder edition is called 'limited edition'. They had to get these cards out or it'd be another chicken and egg problem. Nobody really bit other than Asrock.

    • @xynonners
      @xynonners Před rokem +2

      ​​@@deldareland acer
      Also, the LE moniker is exclusive to the A770, the A750 FE is not considered "LE."

    • @deldarel
      @deldarel Před rokem

      @@xynonners my bad, I must have misunderstood it when someone said the FE is only made by Intel.
      Acer made one, which is barely available and terrible value. The only thing it does well is catch eyes. It's more a billboard that acer makes gpus now rather than a serious product

    • @momchilandonov
      @momchilandonov Před rokem

      @@xynonners Intel has A750 limited edition ;).

  • @Tyler-rs3wy
    @Tyler-rs3wy Před rokem +213

    Watching you take that apart was stressful. I can only imagine what it's like assembling or servicing it. RMA/maintenance teams are going to love these cards.

    • @SlenderSmurf
      @SlenderSmurf Před rokem +15

      Pretty sure this thing has more screws and cables than my laptop, and that was a small hell to replace the fans on

    • @EM83D
      @EM83D Před rokem +3

      @@SlenderSmurf Some notebooks have the same hell but most of them offer quite easy fan replace without the need of full disassembly. This GPU looks neat but repairability is near zero.

    • @jayjaygolden5123
      @jayjaygolden5123 Před rokem +8

      "here you, a replacement rtx 3060. what do you mean, that wasnt your card? shhh shhh, its better this way, just pretend its okay and move on"

    • @danieloberhofer9035
      @danieloberhofer9035 Před 9 měsíci

      Coming back to this a year later makes you realize: They probably never repaired defective units anyway, because they're probably happy for every card they get out of a warehouse - even if it's just a replacement for a defective one.

  • @Nesformers
    @Nesformers Před rokem +2878

    We've gone from intel trowing shade at glued CPUs to Intel's glued together GPUs

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před rokem +977

      That definitely should have been referenced in the video. Great point! haha

    • @enraversadi2903
      @enraversadi2903 Před rokem

      they deserve to get shit on for that.

    • @Rspsand07
      @Rspsand07 Před rokem +126

      Intel locks down OC on their mobos and CPU tiers for no reason, so it's not really surprising they don't want you opening your GPU

    • @lilblackduc7312
      @lilblackduc7312 Před rokem +64

      @@GamersNexus This approach to construction is why the Apollo 1 crew capsule burned. 👎🏿👎🏿

    • @frizzlefry1921
      @frizzlefry1921 Před rokem +5

      Indubitably.

  • @wabash9000
    @wabash9000 Před rokem +690

    I work in engineering for a company that does small electronics manufacturing and our assemblers complain to engineering when we put 6 screws on a product. If we put 20 screws on a product, our whole manufacturing department would quit. If we put 55 on one product, they would probably find out where the engineers live and burn our houses down.

    • @Aereto
      @Aereto Před rokem +61

      And if there's only tape and 0 screws, the Right to Repair enthusaists may hunt down the homes of those assemblers wanting to remove screws, seal tape the doors and windows, and gas them all in CS for 24 hours.
      emphasis on 24 hours because riot gas is not lethal unless you make them to be.

    • @Kirito14682
      @Kirito14682 Před rokem +28

      They used glue and tape which means putting it back together is going to be so much fun. Any type of rma feels like it's better off just replacing the card

    • @thebrute0747
      @thebrute0747 Před rokem +9

      Sounds about right. "TOOLS?! WE HAVE TO USE A SCREWDRIVER?! UGHHHHHH"

    • @bradonhoover3002
      @bradonhoover3002 Před rokem +22

      But, hear me out, 55 screws *and* there's 8 extremely similar variants throughout the product decided almost randomly

    • @Kirito14682
      @Kirito14682 Před rokem +3

      @@bradonhoover3002 It looks like they had random variety of screws, why else would they have different variants on the same location

  • @andrewperkovich8184
    @andrewperkovich8184 Před rokem +24

    when you took off that cheap backplate, i was like "why did they put that over?" it looks actually pretty nice with it off. watching this tear down gives me dell computer vibes with over use of plastic and weird engineer.

  • @staticallX
    @staticallX Před rokem +89

    That's one cool LED board by Intel. It even has video card as an extra!

  • @in_sound_mind
    @in_sound_mind Před rokem +812

    I'm still amazed how comically large 4090 is.

    • @theideaofevil
      @theideaofevil Před rokem +138

      It looks like an oversized novelty toy graphics card lmao

    • @Kubose
      @Kubose Před rokem +114

      Craziest part is, that FE is one of the smaller 4090's, der8auer put up a comparison with the Aorus Master 4090 and it makes the FE look small somehow.

    • @tymandude1510
      @tymandude1510 Před rokem +89

      It looks like a literal brick. I bet you could build a pretty structurally sound house of them!

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra Před rokem +40

      @@tymandude1510If you could run all the GPUs you would probably make the house a sauna lol

    • @luckyowl10
      @luckyowl10 Před rokem +15

      Is it just me or it looks like A770 is about half as thicc as 4090

  • @sleeplessindefatigable6385
    @sleeplessindefatigable6385 Před rokem +283

    I can see fan replacement procedures for these to consist of:
    1: attack shroud with hacksaw.
    2: strap noctua fans on with tape.
    3: connect noctua fans to chassis header.

  • @somesalmon5694
    @somesalmon5694 Před rokem +25

    Beautiful screwless design, very impressive!

  • @Lambda.Function
    @Lambda.Function Před rokem +98

    Let's see how much they improve in their next gen cards. Both in performance and build quality. I'm really hoping to see them competing with the mid range ATI and nvidia cards with solid quality, then we'll just have to worry about drivers.

    • @bornonthebattlefront4883
      @bornonthebattlefront4883 Před rokem +4

      Ehhh
      Don’t hold your breath
      There was a A780 that was supposed to come out that met the 3070 in performance
      It didn’t work
      Next gen Intel MIGHT come in 2024, and by that point, it’s gonna be competing against RDNA5 and RTX 6000
      They would do good if they reach 4060 performance
      That’s if Intel doesn’t can Arc completely on desktop

    • @ocococococococococococococ3267
      @ocococococococococococococ3267 Před rokem +6

      @@bornonthebattlefront4883
      in 2024 intel is gonna compete against rtx 50xx not 60xx

    • @lukerutledge1357
      @lukerutledge1357 Před rokem +20

      bro actually called them ATI not AMD

    • @Lambda.Function
      @Lambda.Function Před rokem +1

      @@lukerutledge1357 IYKYK

    • @mokseee
      @mokseee Před rokem +5

      @@lukerutledge1357 I'm just barely old enough to remember that I had one of the last ATI Cards in my first laptop

  • @Crftbt
    @Crftbt Před rokem +634

    7:24 love the screwless screws in the screwless design.

    • @vibonacci
      @vibonacci Před rokem +58

      This was not in the announced announcement of the announcement.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před rokem +219

      Screwless screws are pretty amazing. You don't even need to unscrew a screw to unscrew the screw.

    • @NPzed
      @NPzed Před rokem +27

      @@GamersNexus We're screwed!

    • @zam1007
      @zam1007 Před rokem +9

      @@GamersNexus Screwless screw, reminds me of my wife 😶

    • @charlesballiet7074
      @charlesballiet7074 Před rokem +2

      the drivers had a few loose screws with so they overcompensated with the shroud design

  • @Mach141
    @Mach141 Před rokem +4

    Love these tear down videos! These are not manufactured to be disassemble frequently, but listening to Steve whine and complain makes it all worthwhile!

  • @jaywhite15_AL
    @jaywhite15_AL Před rokem +17

    Your constant using of Intel's own presentation is top notch. 💯😂

  • @joshbailey4124
    @joshbailey4124 Před rokem +512

    If whoever edits these thinks they've at some point used the "thanks Steve" clip too much, you haven't. Makes me laugh every time

    • @Lazaerus
      @Lazaerus Před rokem +21

      I'm still trying to figure out who the guy is that stands up and goes "ow my knees... :("

    • @quieroverduras
      @quieroverduras Před rokem +22

      @@Lazaerus Wendell from LEVELONETECHS is the guy with the sore knees

    • @shinjipyon
      @shinjipyon Před rokem +18

      @@Lazaerus he’s from Level1Techs
      Been following him since Tek Syndicate days

    • @sewer56lol
      @sewer56lol Před rokem +10

      Please, do not stop. It cracks me up everytime.

    • @ayuchanayuko
      @ayuchanayuko Před rokem +10

      _Thank you papa_

  • @timhartherz5652
    @timhartherz5652 Před rokem +16

    If you ever need to replace a fan:
    Just break the old one out of the housing and hotglue a case fan to the front.

  • @sleeplesshollow4216
    @sleeplesshollow4216 Před rokem

    Gamers Nexus you've become really funny lately good to see so much of your personality show through these latest videos.

  • @_Sigfried_
    @_Sigfried_ Před rokem +195

    4:38
    Perfectly cut drop.
    Whoever's editing this, Thanks.
    I personally love these little touches.

    • @geletrode
      @geletrode Před rokem +7

      yeah i love these random little easter eggs in the GN videos. funny af too

    • @james9449
      @james9449 Před rokem +1

      Maybe it's an LTT advertisement hehe

  • @gothroachkinski754
    @gothroachkinski754 Před rokem +173

    How are you guys so good with using the "Thanks Steve" footage without it ever getting old? I still laugh every time it comes up, you guys are masterful at finding the right moments to invoke it.

    • @konzo5942
      @konzo5942 Před rokem +5

      i know right, complete opposite of that emotional damage meme that got old and annoying so fast with other youtubers

    • @iamdopeasfcuk
      @iamdopeasfcuk Před rokem +4

      they use it after steve says "thanks intel". it's not rocket science finding an area to place that footage in the vid.

    • @luckyowl10
      @luckyowl10 Před rokem +5

      Thanks Papa is the new meme, it's priceless

  • @TheJamie109
    @TheJamie109 Před rokem +12

    Thank you for suffering through this for us steve. When I need to tear it down, your videos are so valuable, and will save me completely destroying it. It won't go back exactly the same though, which really dissapointed me.

  • @VladKov36
    @VladKov36 Před rokem +2

    20:24 haha

  • @steves9260
    @steves9260 Před rokem +65

    Laughed so hard at the Wendell cameo for a "Thanks Steve!". I swear it only gets funnier.

  • @JayBlancVideos
    @JayBlancVideos Před rokem +171

    If only there were some company with experience in graphics card manufacturing that suddenly had excess capacity in terms of their entire graphics card manufacturing not doing anything right now, then Intel could talk to them about manufacturing graphics cards.

    • @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
      @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Před rokem +30

      But they'd need to actually deliver GPU dies to said company, without being late by a whole two quarters.

    • @austinmcelwaine6249
      @austinmcelwaine6249 Před rokem +9

      @@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart since when has intel been concerned about delaying a product?

    • @monzarace
      @monzarace Před rokem +7

      would that be a certain company who has just announced that they dropped nvidia...?...

    • @breakingyourlegs
      @breakingyourlegs Před rokem +7

      Yeah, if only such a company would exist...

    • @Frawt
      @Frawt Před rokem +5

      @@monzarace Wow! Fuck having any subtlety in humour! Guys! lmao haha Is the company EVGA????????!?!?!?! xdxdxdxd
      No FUCKING SHIT IT'S THAT SAME COMPANY.

  • @bhijdasasdjhasdbjkdasbjkfasbjk

    the 'Thanks Steve' cuts always make me laugh ; great vid as usual!

    • @ROK5TAR
      @ROK5TAR Před 29 dny +1

      “Thank you papa….yeah”

  • @hsitko
    @hsitko Před rokem

    Steve. I appreciate you. Thank you for this enjoyable content. Thank you for being thorough and detailed. Keep using your powers for awesome.

  • @kevlarandchrome
    @kevlarandchrome Před rokem +822

    Congratulations Intel, you managed to make modern car engineers look competent at design and ease of servicing.

    • @o_sagui6583
      @o_sagui6583 Před rokem +75

      God that's even more of a cursed thought when you consider that cars now have subscriptions for built in features like heated seats and stereo . . .
      We're fucking doomed and the cause is going to be wasted silicon

    • @kevlarandchrome
      @kevlarandchrome Před rokem +8

      @@o_sagui6583 Most likely.

    • @RCmaniac667
      @RCmaniac667 Před rokem +7

      Let's not go that far lol

    • @mndlessdrwer
      @mndlessdrwer Před rokem +14

      Nah, Ford still has them beat. I have to remove my bumper and the headlight housing itself just to change a light bulb. GPUs don't even have what should be considered "consumable" components, particularly when they go to the trouble of sourcing Cooler Master fans for their card. Short of Noctua, they're about as good as you can get in terms of sheer reliability. Really, the only thing that you might want to change before 5 years passes, since the fans aren't terribly likely to die before then, is the thermal paste, which is a less involved process now that we know you don't need to remove the screws holding down the little LED control PCB. use a plastic spudger to carefully lift the back panel, unscrew the handful of screws holding the back plate to the midplate and the GPU die to the cooler and pop it apart. Use a pair of pliers or forceps to unseat the connectors and you're good to go with replacing the thermal paste and pads.

    • @Dan-yk6sy
      @Dan-yk6sy Před rokem +14

      How many miles before you change the oil on your GPU?

  • @denkigundam
    @denkigundam Před rokem +244

    "Thanks Steve" never gets old. Always makes me chuckle. Always well placed. Keep up the good work, can't wait for the new shirt!

    • @Lethaltail
      @Lethaltail Před rokem +26

      Ow, my knees!

    • @Ikxi
      @Ikxi Před rokem

      Thanks, Denki

    • @Zwettekop
      @Zwettekop Před rokem

      Where the hell is that from?

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Před rokem +19

      Thank you papa
      *taps chest*
      Yeah... 🥰

    • @lukephillips5618
      @lukephillips5618 Před rokem +3

      @@Zwettekop Intel's presentation at Computex 2021. Here's the Gamer's Nexus video on it: czcams.com/video/OnNZ3hCjIvs/video.html

  • @Reyfox1
    @Reyfox1 Před rokem +472

    It was leftover glue from AMD "gluing" their chips together...Intel got it at a great price.

  • @TNS-AudioMastering
    @TNS-AudioMastering Před rokem

    Love it.. exploring the disassembly..

  • @gavin5861
    @gavin5861 Před rokem +5

    I really like the look of these GPUs, they nailed the aesthetics, I hope they continue the look or other manufacturers make more GPUs this clean.

    • @armorgeddon
      @armorgeddon Před rokem +1

      I'd rather look at the display signal it's outputting.

    • @willmaud2359
      @willmaud2359 Před rokem

      @@armorgeddon Most GPUs have gaudy ornamentation, so simple designs fall in line with that.

  • @wertywerrtyson5529
    @wertywerrtyson5529 Před rokem +245

    I recently did a thermal repaste on a decade old card and I was amazed by how easy it was. I certainly used to be much easier to tear down cards.

    • @Fin4L6are
      @Fin4L6are Před rokem +21

      It's not used to be, it just depends on if the manufacturer wants to be user friendly

    • @shurin3126
      @shurin3126 Před rokem

      Nah you had utter nightmares in the past too, its just a matter of asshole design

    • @hrvstmn31
      @hrvstmn31 Před rokem +1

      @Michaels Carport Same, its was a 6950 by a company that I don't think even exists anymore. It was 4 or so screws and one connector for the fans.

    • @Knaeckebrotsaege
      @Knaeckebrotsaege Před rokem +10

      I repasted my old MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X (non-Ti) recently. Four screws and two plugs (logo LEDs and fans) to take the entire giant cooler off. Meanwhile I actually had to look up a fcking tutorial for my RX 6800...

    • @UD503J
      @UD503J Před rokem +2

      Yep I did a fan replacement and repaste on an RX590 recently. Knocked about 6 degrees off a Timespy run, and about 10 off of ambient.

  • @Joostinonline
    @Joostinonline Před rokem +393

    As someone who frequently works on laptops, I feel for you. Also, a tip on taped stuff. Put it on wax paper. It prevents dust buildup and stops it from sticking to anything else.

    • @PDXCustomPCS
      @PDXCustomPCS Před rokem +28

      Hey I appreciate the tip. 19 years later, hate laptops still. I never once thought or read of this. Lol.

    • @Joostinonline
      @Joostinonline Před rokem +40

      @cas curse Do you even do professional computer repair? That is so unbelievably impractical. People don't want to wait a month and be charged an extra $20 because a technician can't be bothered to properly reuse parts. It's also a huge waste. Yes, keep some double sided tape for strengthening things, but don't order replacements for everything when it isn't actually necessary.

    • @kiyoponnn
      @kiyoponnn Před rokem

      @@Joostinonline are you smoking crack? you should always have enough stock of the things you use the most for repairs, it's common sense 101

    • @raphaelambrosiuscosteau829
      @raphaelambrosiuscosteau829 Před rokem

      @cas curseActually now that i read it again, your comment might be about fully replacing just adhesive itself with an "official" kit or whatever, if so this is mostly reasonable if you can keep these kits in stock on site. You are still being cringe about it though and keeping a stock of official adhesive replacement kits might be impossible for new models of "certain brands", because they don't allow you to keep anything in stock lol. But you can mostly disregard everything below if that's the case and you aren't actually replacing entire part if it is at all glued. Still, relax a little.
      My brother in christ, you aren't sending rockets to the space, you are repairing low grade consumer electronics, stop being uppity about it. If you are replacing any part that needs glue or tape, you either are an idiot or lying about what you do. What if the back of a perfectly fine phone screen is glued, gonna order a replcement too? Just take a blade and some alcohol, scrape the glue residue off and replace the adhesive with whatever's appropriate

    • @bigtitmaster
      @bigtitmaster Před rokem

      wow, didnt even think of that. thanks

  • @mattd1188
    @mattd1188 Před rokem +26

    55.5 screws is still 20 less than it takes to hold down the ROG laptop keyboards.

  • @joecrak249
    @joecrak249 Před 8 měsíci

    I love the desine on this card I agree though it shouldn't be that hard to tear down and get into for a user to be able to preform maintenance for a longer life. this was a great video as are most from this channel happy I found it.

  • @johnsondeng
    @johnsondeng Před rokem +209

    Never get tired of hearing Steve have an "Ohhh come on!!!" outburst in a tear-down video.

    • @monzarace
      @monzarace Před rokem +1

      I think the funniest part is where Steve tries to pick up that top plate from the table. Well, at least it stuck to that...
      Cheers.

  • @gamingmarcus
    @gamingmarcus Před rokem +175

    This for sure looks like the NUC engineers had a field day. They love those crazy elaborate designs.

    • @Gabu_
      @Gabu_ Před rokem +28

      Probably exactly what happened. "We have an entire division that's used to making small enclosures, right? Have them design it"

    • @Justchuck69
      @Justchuck69 Před rokem +1

      You do realize that NUC is a separate company from Intel and part of the Intel Partner Alliance but they did make quite a few Ryzen based NUCs too! Some where under the Ruby name I think!

    • @prochizcz
      @prochizcz Před rokem +8

      @@Justchuck69 No, NUCs are specifficaly designed by intel and name NUC itself is trademarked by them, AMD alternatives exist but they are not and can't be called NUC. NUC alternatives for AMD are called mini pcs

    • @mndlessdrwer
      @mndlessdrwer Před rokem +4

      Nobody likes crazy, elaborate designs more than smartphone engineers. They will use half a dozen flat-flex ribbon cables to shave half a millimeter off of the packaging size of the components compared to just building a larger PCB. They also love auxiliary PCBs more than any other industry, because it lets them move things around to wherever they have space left for it. And that's before we get to the last couple of generations of phones where the modern "sandwich PCB" has come into common use, where they basically use soldered connectors to bind two layers of PCB together with basically no gap between them so they can squeeze as much components into the most compact space possible. We should just be glad that Intel didn't hire smartphone PCB engineers for their GPUs. We should also probably be grateful that laptops haven't started to use those designs, because then they would be even less repairable.

    • @joshuac837
      @joshuac837 Před rokem

      I'm sure they would have an amazing get-together with BMW engineers lmao

  • @furballphillip
    @furballphillip Před rokem +1

    The editor had a field day with this video, I love it. 😂

  • @robertt9825
    @robertt9825 Před rokem

    I like it when there's a new gn video because it means I can get some sleep

  • @OpenLogicEFI
    @OpenLogicEFI Před rokem +198

    Love your work and I value your opinions in my purchases. I design PCB's for automotive use for a living. I can add a little insight to one part of this. That LED ring PCB isn't actually the worst idea from a design standpoint. It's extremally simple and you'd be surprised how cheap it would be to manufacture especially in bulk. I also bet it was designed in a few hours. Not allot of time or money in that specific part. The way it's attached on the other hand, I have to agree with you there. Small plastic clips on the housing, screws really anything but tape or glue.

    • @joshuasisson6816
      @joshuasisson6816 Před rokem +13

      I design pcbs as well. They probably had the rings and edge boards done on the same panel. Given how thin they are I wouldn't expect the board to be much more than a dollar, if that. Low current as well and that drops the copper thickness down as well.

    • @nogravitas7585
      @nogravitas7585 Před rokem +10

      Yeah the fan circles 24:18 and led shroud pcb 24:00 fit neatly inside one another and the space inside each circle is enough for the ARC led pcb 13:11 and that other LED pcb 11:54 are all probably made in one piece so it isn't as wasteful as people would expect.
      The use of threaded inserts where "wood" screws into hollow plastic posts would've sufficed means this was designed by someone used to low volume production though.

    • @MrHaggyy
      @MrHaggyy Před rokem +12

      Heyoh, i build systems for automotive. And i really liked these LED-PCB's and they are really cheap if you consider all functions they do.
      What i don't like at all are those extra power PCB. You have a connector from a PCB, to a PCB to get to a PCB in on single unit ... just why. It's like 3-5 bucks and a punch of possible failures for nothing.
      Also casing any PCB in plastic was never a good idea ever ...but we tend to do it all the time ...

    • @joshuasisson6816
      @joshuasisson6816 Před rokem +4

      @@MrHaggyy experience has a lot to do with it. If the engineer is unfamiliar with things, they'll be making accessory boards for everything. Also, mechanical constraints given by other departments. They'll decide a long wire is better than running a trace to a connector that can sandwich to another pcb removing the need for wires, and other similar ideas.

    • @ic3man5
      @ic3man5 Před rokem +4

      This video makes me feel better because even a company like Intel produces products like this when rushed. Cost and efficiency was bypassed for the launch date and I agree with that decision. They probably didn't account for the pressure AMD put on.

  • @Silverhazey_
    @Silverhazey_ Před rokem +375

    Oh man, that “Thanks Steve!” Intel reply at 7:27 is golden please keep that clip in use, shit was hilariously timed.

  • @santinojoshuatorre1695
    @santinojoshuatorre1695 Před rokem +79

    good grief - this was such a pain to watch that I hope EVGA sees this and partners up with intel out of sheer pity,

    • @joemarais7683
      @joemarais7683 Před rokem +8

      I don’t think they’d want to make video cards that have broken software that’ll result in tons of returns and rmas. But they’d be the perfect partner to produce red lined variants.

    • @lilblackduc7312
      @lilblackduc7312 Před rokem +3

      EVGA probably knows, there's some things even a pro just can't fix?

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Před rokem +1

      @@lilblackduc7312 EVGA probably knows a pro can fix anything. ...At a cost.

    • @JABelms
      @JABelms Před rokem

      @@joemarais7683 Not the first time EVGA dealt with weird ass/half working products. My friend loved EVGA Classified shit that I was there trying to fix them as well

  • @zimmerman1031
    @zimmerman1031 Před rokem +21

    Nothing like being a new player in the game, and you not only do not innovate, you actually push things in the opposite direction for design. Well done Intel, showing us all how it's done.

    • @juanmassiosare9850
      @juanmassiosare9850 Před rokem +3

      When you get used to "competing" in a Quasi-Monopoly, these things happen.

  • @Drinkyoghurt
    @Drinkyoghurt Před rokem +7

    Question about the toolkit warranty: Does the warranty cover the heads wearing/stripping? That's my main concern with screwdrivers and the cheap ones usually don't last that long. With a 70-year warranty I'm seriously considering this.

  • @ac3theartist225
    @ac3theartist225 Před rokem +108

    Definitely feels like the first version of a product. Curious what changes Battlemage will make.

    • @chrisdpratt
      @chrisdpratt Před rokem +1

      Likely none, since they've already finalized the design of that before they even sent Alchemist out for review.

    • @ac3theartist225
      @ac3theartist225 Před rokem +5

      @@chrisdpratt I don't think that's likely. I highly doubt that Steve (or any of the press) was the first to tell people at Intel about the issues re:manufacturing and thermals. They've probably known for a very long time.

    • @thursdaythought7201
      @thursdaythought7201 Před rokem

      @@chrisdpratt They finalized the design of the cooler shroud? That makes no sense... they don't even have the full data on final power consumption at this point. You're full of shit.

    • @dennish9543
      @dennish9543 Před rokem

      Half the number of screws, twice the Powah!

    • @amunak_
      @amunak_ Před rokem

      @@chrisdpratt They might have finalized the design of the chip itself and related stuff (like memory and power delivery) but the actual design of the boards, the PCBs, etc. should have enough time to finalize.

  • @madrazproductions5776
    @madrazproductions5776 Před rokem +41

    You and this channel has resurrected the super nerd in me that i had sadly ran away from in my school years. Im so glad to have found this channel

  • @awilliams1701
    @awilliams1701 Před rokem

    You can literally see it. Thanks Steve! Thank you papa!

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 Před rokem +1

    I laughed during the whole video. Thanks, steve =)

  • @blackraen
    @blackraen Před rokem +10

    7:26 Thanks Steve never gets old. I need a GN "Thanks Steve" shirt.

  • @ArmchairMagpie
    @ArmchairMagpie Před rokem +359

    Not to mention that many adhesives do not age well when constantly exposed to heat and are susceptible to dust as well.

    • @GL1TCH3D
      @GL1TCH3D Před rokem +58

      The whole design felt like it was meant to be discarded after 2-3 years. Low cost, lots of tape and glue, hard to self-repair.

    • @Sentarry
      @Sentarry Před rokem +115

      @@GL1TCH3D Intel understood limited edition and it took it literally

    • @BigDrewski1000
      @BigDrewski1000 Před rokem

      Most double sided tapes fall into that category sadly

    • @EM83D
      @EM83D Před rokem +7

      Cars today are glued at many poinst. It only depends on the type/quality. Of course there is a high chance that even Intel used special, durable double sided tape, you as a user can't buy something so special so once you disassembled this card it is better to skip the backplate.

    • @Shendue
      @Shendue Před rokem +8

      @@EM83D Yeah, that's why a bunch of stuff in the interiors of my car is falling apart. And that's not something that is put into an environment with components that run very hot inside.

  • @josephwimerYoYoYo
    @josephwimerYoYoYo Před rokem +3

    Pretty well made for an entry into the market! As much as I agree with your complaints about design, I'm VERY curious what can be done with board partners, future iterations, etc. Honestly the build quality seems on par with intel MB's I've worked with. Steve OF COURSE I want to see you water cool it! Heheh.

  • @NoWayNick
    @NoWayNick Před rokem +2

    That teardown looked like a lot of work

  • @NextEevolution
    @NextEevolution Před rokem +25

    Hearing the tape separate as the thin metal backplate bends and the plastic clatter of the led strips reminded me of a Dawid Does Tech Stuff quote:
    "It's like taking a blade to a kitten's face."

  • @chrisvenning7571
    @chrisvenning7571 Před rokem +48

    Part 2 please. I wanna see Steve put this back together. 😂

  • @johnjames7332
    @johnjames7332 Před 11 měsíci

    I'm impressed, pretty good engineering there. Steve typically overshoots with his sarcasm and wisdom but that's his shtick

  • @deadlift9360
    @deadlift9360 Před rokem

    If it gets too hot it literally melts, amazing. truely a fluent designe!

  • @ardeof
    @ardeof Před rokem +71

    Shoutout to Steve for knowing the importance of prying at the connections via flathead (or some other device) rather than simply yanking the cable.

  • @HAunderscoreVE
    @HAunderscoreVE Před rokem +173

    In this episode of ''Dissapointing Steve'', intel finds a way to make steve both dissapointed and angry.

    • @slaytronic
      @slaytronic Před rokem +3

      it's not his fault he is a drama queen it's just how he was born and raised

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Před rokem +1

      @@slaytronic On the contrary he trained at many dojos and adventured around the world to hone those skills.

  • @MrPinguinzz
    @MrPinguinzz Před rokem +7

    The screwless design is a reference to you never wanting to screw yourself opening it.

  • @japmuscle
    @japmuscle Před rokem

    Thanks Steve!

  • @mrbub8980
    @mrbub8980 Před rokem +47

    Well this card's going to be fun to maintenance for some people.

  • @soupwizard
    @soupwizard Před rokem +48

    27:12 I wonder if the card physical design complications were done for a $700 card since they were aiming for the performance and mining-era prices for 3070 cards; now that prices have dropped and the A7 performance is being positioned against the 3060 the amount of extra in the design isn't appropriate for the price it's being sold at today.

  • @Noah-lj2sg
    @Noah-lj2sg Před rokem

    cool table setup

  • @mclovin9210
    @mclovin9210 Před rokem

    "It's the totality of the contrivancy that drives those complaints"
    Never change mate. In German we say "ich bin mit der Gesamtsituation unzufrieden", and your wording captures that sentiment perfectly.

  • @thecomfyshirt
    @thecomfyshirt Před rokem +94

    I’ve seen some truly baffling tear-downs on this channel. But this one… we’ll I wouldn’t say it takes the cake, but it’s certainly memorable. When I saw those custom PCBs for the LEDs… my lawd…
    Screwless indeed

  • @Enakaji
    @Enakaji Před rokem +46

    Seeing just how complicated the teardown of this one was really makes me appreciate the way more servicable Design of the Gigabyte Gaming OC RX 6600 XT and PNY XLR8 3060ti on wich I did a deepclean and repaste a few weeks ago. On both you basically only had to remove the screws you could see on the Backplate to seperate the Cooler from the card and then like four to six additional screws to separate the Finstack from the Fanshroud. There really is no need to overcomplicate it like Intel did here with their Reference design.

  • @bazrazin1
    @bazrazin1 Před rokem +1

    looks like a final year high quality engineering project with lot's of touch ups.

  • @christiankrueger8048
    @christiankrueger8048 Před rokem

    Thank you!

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 Před rokem +21

    That gag at the start with the giant RTX card (probably 4090) in front was great 😂

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Před rokem +3

      Oh my god, "thank you papa" is going to be a new meme
      I can't 🤣

  • @gl_tonight
    @gl_tonight Před rokem

    I really would recommend using the two-step articlean. It does help emulsify the thermal paste and also treat the surfaces against flash oxidization. It's a diminishing returns thing for a single tear-down but it really is a boon for repeated builds. a couple drops do it. I've serviced dozens of servers with 30ml and have like 70% left.

  • @charleshines8523
    @charleshines8523 Před rokem +15

    It is nice they tried to keep the cost down anyhow. Graphics cards don't always need to be expensive. They DO however need to last some expected time frame!!

  • @tyswid
    @tyswid Před rokem +98

    I like the white table, especially with the dark card. Any plans for a "light mode" modmat, maybe not for full scale production but at least as a CZcams piece

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před rokem +86

      It's actually an entire lightbox! Haha, it illuminates and has RGB and everything. We do have ideas for future modmats!

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Před rokem +7

      @@GamersNexus
      I'd love to draw and fix up my sketches on that light box! Looks beautiful, just like you papa ❤

  • @nommindymple6241
    @nommindymple6241 Před rokem +120

    If I remember correctly, you took apart one of their NUCs a while back and were really impressed with how good and intelligent the build was. I guess they didn't carry that process over to their GPUs. You'd think that a company trying to break into a well-established market dominated by another player (or two) would pay attention to best practices and things Steve has said in the past (Thanks, Steve!). Also, is there any reason to re-install that thin, aluminum plate you took off first? The card actually looks better without it and the open air ought to drop the temperature a bit.

    • @eclipsegst9419
      @eclipsegst9419 Před rokem +23

      To be fair, these choices don't affect most consumers, who will never even repaste their card, and they had to cut costs when they realized they were competing with the 3060 not the 3070 I'm sure.

    • @Junya01
      @Junya01 Před rokem +4

      @@eclipsegst9419 you're right. As a budget gamer looking to build my first PC soon with an Rx 6600, this Intel GPU may very well be a viable upgrade path for me, we'll have to see down the line

    • @eclipsegst9419
      @eclipsegst9419 Před rokem +15

      @@Junya01 it's not much faster than the 6600, I would get one or the other. I myself am trying to debate between 6600xt and a770. I'm curious to see what kind of performance gains the first few driver updates bring. But, 6700xt is getting cheaper by the day too. I would love to help keep a 3rd competitor in the market though.

    • @KainYusanagi
      @KainYusanagi Před rokem +3

      Re: the plate, to prevent dust buildup maybe?

    • @Overloaded45
      @Overloaded45 Před rokem +9

      for all we know the teams that worked on their NUCs are different and might not have anything to do with the ARC GPU teams. Its like that most of the time on these big companies.

  • @ERrnesST
    @ERrnesST Před rokem +11

    Just a suggestion for a video project. Streamline the Intel Arc Design and remake it. I’m pretty sure that would be entertaining and regardless of whether it’s just in design stage or if you follow through with finishing it we would definitely watch lol

  • @snipermerc
    @snipermerc Před rokem

    Hey Steve, suggestion on cleaning off thermal grease. Use Charcoal Lighter Fluid, it will actually melt the thermal grease, even if hardened and doesn't leave any residue. Works far better than isopropyl. Been using it for 25 years on puter builds.

  • @aeueeaia
    @aeueeaia Před rokem +22

    1. love the hidden Intel card getting picked up from behind the 4090 2. nice desk top!!! Is that underlit glass? Love that

  • @EraYaN
    @EraYaN Před rokem +32

    The threaded inserts are one of the better ways to screw things into plastic. They can handle a surprisingly large load especially the ones for injection molding.

    • @RealLatinGeek
      @RealLatinGeek Před rokem +6

      Also they're serviceable. You can get away with self-tapping screws into plastic if you only plan to put the thing together once.

    • @mr.equity1120
      @mr.equity1120 Před rokem +2

      Large Load 😂

  • @RealStuntPanda
    @RealStuntPanda Před rokem

    I was so excited to hear the Intel Arc A770 was coming out... back in 2012.

  • @MegaCazzam
    @MegaCazzam Před rokem

    “Thanks Steve ow my knees” had me rolling in laughter 😂

  • @BoostedBill96
    @BoostedBill96 Před rokem +7

    Please never stop the “Thanks Steve” I laugh literally every time

  • @flyingrichie
    @flyingrichie Před rokem +4

    Please never stop the quick cuts to "Thanks Steve"

  • @Dermetsu
    @Dermetsu Před rokem +1

    For a channel called Gamers Nexus, I've never seen you guys discuss games. Just an interesting observation.

  • @bobcorn69
    @bobcorn69 Před rokem

    Thanks Steve.

  • @TalismanAirsoft
    @TalismanAirsoft Před rokem +73

    Thank you for the video papa!
    Also something worth mentioning... The RMA team is going to have ptsd dreams about tape and jst headers. Repair gate keeping via poor design accessibility is stupid on so many levels.

    • @caramelldansen2204
      @caramelldansen2204 Před rokem +8

      That's the _workers'_ problem. As long as shareholders are happy, anything goes!

    • @GamerErman2001
      @GamerErman2001 Před rokem +8

      @@caramelldansen2204 Workers: Hey this design is pretty bad can you change it before production?
      Shareholders: Oh my! It needs more RGBs! Add this now!

    • @waade395
      @waade395 Před rokem +1

      For those that want to find the papa reference, it's at 9:30 in the intel keynote. And it's really weird

    • @angrymokyuu9475
      @angrymokyuu9475 Před rokem +3

      You're assuming they'll attempt repairs. This looks like the sort of thing where any replacements go into the bin. Internal repairability will probably be a concern only when designing the next gen if there's more failures than anticiptated.

    • @chrisliddiard725
      @chrisliddiard725 Před rokem

      That nudge "Thank you pappa" - shows how well they understand their market. Intel's idea is that fathers buy GPUs for their Sons. When the truth is those sons and daughters buy GPUs for themselves.

  • @JensTX
    @JensTX Před rokem +186

    I gotta give intel credit where it's due, this is the first time I've seen Torx screws being used(structurally) in a GPU

    • @seculi7757
      @seculi7757 Před rokem +20

      It`s because only advanced people understand Torx.

    • @CSagan710
      @CSagan710 Před rokem +6

      Coming next: Gamebit screws!

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra Před rokem +3

      OEM GPUs would like to have a word lol

    • @MrMagichobo21
      @MrMagichobo21 Před rokem +8

      @@infernaldaedra they're produced in such volume that the practical benefits of a torx type drive (longer tool life and tool can spin before it is at full depth) make it necessary, or at least worth the trouble to swap tools from whatever was already in the machines, due to economies of scale

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před rokem +35

      NVIDIA and AMD both have used them for a few generations now.

  • @o0Hotiron0o
    @o0Hotiron0o Před rokem

    Thank you ;)

  • @riven4121
    @riven4121 Před rokem +7

    I would pay good money for a Steve uncensored video where he just goes off.

  • @MemphisMG86
    @MemphisMG86 Před rokem +115

    i really wonder who developed this. if they would have used only 50% more brain the cards would cost easily 30-50$ less. how complicated is this!? especially the manufacturing process for a card must be insane there are so many steps that only have to be done by hand. completely insane tbh!

    • @jmshay1s
      @jmshay1s Před rokem +27

      They saved money with the screwless design.....oh wait.

    • @keithprice1950
      @keithprice1950 Před rokem +8

      Sounds like you are an expert and should be the chief advisor to these huge manufacturers. Get in touch with them and share your expertise.

    • @JeanPiFresita
      @JeanPiFresita Před rokem +8

      But... but... Look how pretty the lights look! 50 dollars less???? Naaaaa... who would want to save that on an ugly graphics card with no lights????

    • @no_one1073
      @no_one1073 Před rokem +1

      @@youtubeisgarbage900 oh just shame the thousands of engineers working in the company which makes life easy for billions of people across the globe

    • @keithprice1950
      @keithprice1950 Před rokem +5

      @@youtubeisgarbage900 not defending anyone. I couldn't give a shit whether Intel succeed or not. Simply saying that these experts in the comments should be working for these big companies instead of wasting their time here. They really sound like they know exactly what to do.

  • @hellfire92837
    @hellfire92837 Před rokem +1

    The whole cooler assembly looks like a nightmare, but the pcb seems standard. AIB partners should be capable to make better coolers that make mainteinance easy. Thank you Steve!

  • @JustinMacsMoon
    @JustinMacsMoon Před rokem +2

    This is like watching a horror movie, even my A770 doesn't like to see that lol

  • @TheNiteNinja19
    @TheNiteNinja19 Před rokem +13

    Repasting one of these in a year or two are going to be an absolute nightmare

  • @CommandLineVulpine
    @CommandLineVulpine Před rokem +129

    I mean this is proof EVGA and Intel would really be a heavy hitter combo

    • @R-Tech_Gaming
      @R-Tech_Gaming Před rokem +44

      Seriously, they need help from a brand like EVGA in the worst way. They'd practically solve 90% of those card construction problems in a heartbeat.

    • @madarab
      @madarab Před rokem +23

      furry detected, opinion discarded.

    • @RahatAzim998
      @RahatAzim998 Před rokem

      EVGA can't make a bad card great. This card can't even run many pre dx12 titles at all. Only intel can fix that.

    • @CommandLineVulpine
      @CommandLineVulpine Před rokem

      @@madarab hating furries went out of style in like 2011, you're just embarrassing yourself

    • @fineline2212
      @fineline2212 Před rokem +2

      @@madarab ???
      Do people really get this offended over a profile pic nowadays?
      Jesus christ the modern internet is a cesspool.

  • @nov2263
    @nov2263 Před rokem +1

    Had this card for 4 months now, and It performs VERY well. The only thing is that they've focused so much on DX12 that older games (some I must say as I've played DX11 & DX10 (and even games like GTA:SA) games that work perfectly good) might not perform very well, but then again I don't play much of these. The memory size is very nice to have, games do utilize it even if it doesn't max out on cards with less memory on the same settings, which speeds up rendering alot and gives more FPS. Never had thermal issues, and never planned on taking it apart.

  • @Kepe
    @Kepe Před rokem

    I lost it at "thank you papa... yeah!" :'D Maybe in addition to being Tech Jesus, Steve is also our Tech Daddy?

  • @hockeyfan0012
    @hockeyfan0012 Před rokem +17

    This reminds me of working on my car and having to deal with both SAE and metric fasteners. The only difference is me saying "Thanks, GM!" instead of "Thanks, Intel!"

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Před rokem

      What car has any SAE? The last cars to use imperial/SAE were from about 50 years ago.

    • @Silverhks
      @Silverhks Před rokem +4

      @@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature oh how I wish that was true. A buddy of mines 2020 Chevrolet has both metric and sae parts.

    • @joshuac837
      @joshuac837 Před rokem

      Been doing a few things in my Ford, it's been only metric so far thankfully

    • @caramelldansen2204
      @caramelldansen2204 Před rokem

      @@Silverhks Reading both your and hockeyfan's comments here have hurt me more than words ever have before. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?! 😭

  • @JayzBeerz
    @JayzBeerz Před rokem +5

    I appreciate your hard work and lack of sleep to get these videos out. Best of luck to the entire team.

  • @GodlikeIridium
    @GodlikeIridium Před rokem

    "Thanks Intel" Editor: Epic meme.
    Multiple times! Gives the editor a raise xD

  • @gueneal
    @gueneal Před rokem

    Dropped the driver like a pro! Linus would be proud!

  • @joyztik
    @joyztik Před rokem +81

    Nobody believed me when I said that RGB is the COWBELL of gaming these days. You never have enough of it.

    • @Gatorade69
      @Gatorade69 Před rokem +33

      I wish it would just go away.

    • @SymptomRelief
      @SymptomRelief Před rokem +17

      I've got a FEVER and the only prescription is more ARE BE GEE.

    • @haunt97
      @haunt97 Před rokem +11

      Its free 10% performance uplift

    • @LeoMajor1
      @LeoMajor1 Před rokem +2

      I will always be a fan of the 808 cowbell until the day I die

    • @bioshockzoa
      @bioshockzoa Před rokem +2

      It’s just light pollution imo