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- Chris Broussard and Jason McIntyre joined Colin Cowherd and Jason Whitlock to examine how Michael Jordan and LeBron James compare in the later stages of their careers.
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Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James: who has aged better in NBA? | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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Kobe in his 17th season at age 34 averaged 27.6pts 5.5rebs 6ast all nba first team 5th in MVP voting
Rudy Montana Yeah it definitely was
If lebron does not get injured he's going to have great seasons just like kobe and mj did before they retired. All three of these guys know how to flat out ball
josh hh lebron is on track to be the first player over 30 to average 25 8 and 7 so I dont see lebron slowing down
Brando Williams the thing is Jordan and Kobe had too much pride, they wanted to shoot the ball and that was never going to change no matter how old they were. As LeBron's points start to diminish his assists will go up, something Jordan and Kobe should've done.
hector cervantes Fact, I saw this coming a mile away. Imo, his court vision and playmaking was aways his greatest skill. The rest came as a result of superior athleticism along with good b-ball IQ.
Jordan won MVP, All-Star MVP, Finals MVP and was the scoring champion all at age 35.
That's all that needs to be said
weak competition look at the rosters he was facing in those finals.
Facts Jordan the goat
Vseslav Botkin dont forget rookie of the year and Defensive player of the year
+Ebon Stallworth I mean he won all three of those awards in the same year all at age 35
No one will ever age as well as Duncan. His game was timeless. He was still making All-Defensive and All Star teams towards the end of his career
All star is a popularity contest
LeBron. is 6 8 250 it wouldnt matter what era he played in
Has nothing to do with size. It has do with style of play. And Lebron doesn't have to face night in a night out physical play. And by the way, the playoffs had another level of physicality. So not only does Lebron play in a weak conference in today's weak NBA, he's protected even more in the playoffs!
keion price
Didn't say he couldn't survive. Of course he could! What I am saying is HE DOESN'T HAVE TO "SURVIVE" today because NO ONE CAN TOUCH HIM!
And trust me. Dennis Rodman would be his worst nightmare
C Howard Oh ok.
260 in his prime or maybe even more
夜翼 I feel he was 275 at one point
always talk about LeBron playing in a soft NBA. have you seen LeBron. can you imagine if he was allowed to be more physical.
Marcus Scott I can see it. and I see him being about the same type of player, but he would have to loose the crying or else he will mentally get destroyed. because the physicality will not slow down with enforcers that use to be in the league. but he would still be a good player. he's just not the GOAT
choosenone20901 I think he'd be far and away the best defensive player in that era. if he could put his hands on ppl. my God.
Marcus Scott I see a point there.. LBJ avoids fouls on the defensive end in this era
Marcus Scott he'd be screwed
He'd get destroyed. Remember when he was bitching that Brendan Haywood was being too physical with him ? That was nothing compared to what Jordan went through.
stop giving this fedora guy a platform pls
It's not worth comparing the two yet. People who shut down lebron argument know that after he retires his name will be immortalized next to or above Michael Jordan. He's already closing in on Jordan at 31 and he's not even close to finished. There's no point in arguing, just sit back and witness greatness. When it's all said and done we'll know
next to possibly above not even dreaming
Noor Faruqi Jordan started at 21, took time off, played 13 years in his prime, played 2 more seasons as an old man and still achieved more than LeBron. LeBron's in his 14th consecutive season and still chasing what Jordan did in 13.
Noor Faruqi
AMEN
4 finals losses on superteams with free rides to finals in the weakest east conference in NBA history will never surpass MJ. just the thought of people saying that shit BOGGLES my mind
at 31 Jordan had been iin the league 10 years and he took a season and a half off because his father died. Lebron came into the NBA straight out of highschool.....so his 31 is really 34. So yea its not worth a debate....at the same point in their career Jordan was working on his second 3 peat while Lebron was trying to put together his second super team and get his 3rd title.....not debatable at all....
LeBron is not better than Jordan. Nor will he ever be. STOP!
Dutton2013
Stats mean nothing. Titles mean nothing when you're talking the 10 greatest players. Let me ask you sir. What DISQUALIFIES a High School Student from becoming valedictorian?
C Howard You can’t say never
@@JoshuaD.Howard never
whitlock knows that the defenses of the past 10 years are by every metric beter than in the 80s and 90s right??? At that time you couldn't double team a player on isolation while shielding the pass because that would be illegal defense and a tech, so players like MJ and Nique routinely got to play one on one without the defense being allowed to rotate and cut off spaces. The primary reason for the rise of the 3 point shot is the greatness of the zone and team defenses of the 2000s, the zones who cut off the spaces and angles and made it a lot harder to play isolations with a traditional big. It took the league an entire decade to finally adjust with a system of spacing, shooting and versatility to counter that, that's why in the past 3 years offenses have been so much better than they were between 2000 and 2012. Now it's up to the defenses to find a way to adjust, because today if you try to cut spaces on an iso, there's shooters from the other 4 positions, even at the 5 and that makes it very very hard to guard. Defenses are by no metric worse, if you analyse then with objectivity they are more advanced and better than 20 years ago, it's just that so are the offenses; it's the natural evolution of the game and it shouldn't be criticized. MJ is the goat and lebron has a slim chance of surpassing him, I'm cheering for lbj but I really believe he's gonna finish number 2 all time, but he does have a chance to become the goat, it's just that I think it's unlikely, but not completely impossible
Luckmag 2016: That's exactly what people don't understand. Just because the defense was more physical, doesn't mean the defense was better. Back then if a player was physical towards you, the worst that can happen to you is that you miss the shot or you take some physical punishment on your body. Now with teams being allowed to double or triple team you as soon as you have the ball in your hand, instead of just doubling you when you penetrate in the paint, it makes it harder for a player to score. When there are multiple defenders guarding a player trying to score, this causes turnover to occur more often: whether its losing the ball out of bounds or getting the ball stolen or blocked. Defenses are way more sophisticated now than back then. Back then teams used to pack the paint, shoot the midrange, and occasionally shoot a three, its not the same anymore. Now teams shoot a lot of threes to create spacing and a way to not turn the ball over, also teams play uptempo and they play a more full-court game instead of a half-court game. When a team shoots a midrange or a shot close to the basket, there is less uptempo movement based on a player not having room to operate when they get the rebound, this is based on the paint being crowded and big man who are most likely getting the board that are limited wit dribbling the ball down the court. Because there are so many three pointers shot, when teams miss there are long rebounds and this causes teams to push the floor more based on the degree of the ball tilting towards the opposite side of the court based on the power of which the ball is shot. Most of the time guards and small forwards are getting these long rebounds and they have freedom to push the tempo. This type of tempo requires a lot of cardio and endurance, and this makes scoring the ball harder to do. I know the 80s Lakers played uptempo, but you only see Magic Johnson pushing the tempo. Now, there are more versatile players and even big man that can handle the ball and push the tempo, which makes it even harder for defenses to handle.
Luckymag 2016 Whitlock sounds like the typical old school guy, who just wants to ignore current day achievements because they didnt happen in the 90s lmao. Everything was better in the 90s! Basketball, food, movies, music!
His talking about the league being called alot softer. And it is. If Jordan played in this era he would go to the line 15 times a night and average 40. No doubt.
Luckymag 2016 blame Jordan for all this because he cried to the refs and the league to change the rules
I don't know if he'd go to the line 15 times a night "no doubt" since well, 6 OF THE LEAST 6 YEARS (yes all of them) have been the absolute LEAST amount of trips to the line across the league in NBA HISTORY. Jordan's closest year to which foul's actually weren't called? Oh, 18th. Yeah, in Lebron's era... FTA's have been down league wide compared to the whistles blown in Jordan's era.. but that's not the picture we want painted is it? That doesn't, fit the narrative, does it?
I honestly don't believe different eras should hold as much weight.. whether which ones more physical or not? The objective is to make the ball go into the hoop. If LeBron was in MJ's era, he'd been raised with the tenacity and AND attitude MJ would have because that's how the game is played back then in order to be successful. If MJ was born in our era now? Who knows, he still could of been different and not as an Alpha since everyone believes it's "easier" now. So who knows but LeBron and MJ comparison is becoming more real
Jay Kelz thank you bruh. Folks like to cut and paste players in differen t eras. You gotta factor them actually growing up in that era.
Hova 1987 Yup, exactly man. Both players are in two different generations. Only reason Kobe was like MJ so much, 'cause he got to be in BOTH generations. He could of been totally different too if he came in, in '03 like LeBron did. People miss the BIG picture my dude. Sad.
Jay Kelz speak truth ..... for us old enough to remember... I didn't shoot 3s as much in HS in the mid to late 90s...I was trying to master the cross over like AI and two foot dunk like Carter.... now in my mid 30s kids jack up 3s at the Y and can't smack boards on layups
Jay Kelz I don't want to sound disrespectful to Lebron because he is an all time great. No one in the league today even comes close.
That being said, Lebron called Magic Johnson, Jordan and a few others after the 2011 finals to ask how you win a championship. That's just not something that was done in the 80s and 90s. You have to look at eras because certain stats and inflated in certain eras. If we're not looking at eras, Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT. Nobody can touch his stats and he has 2 rings.
VeliThaDon VeliThaDon You could be right brotha, but at the same time, the media is 500x different than before. How do we know if, let's say Isaiah Thomas didn't ask another player how to overcome beating the bulls and so on? Less tactics of media equals less opportunity to impose on what happened and with who back then.. I'm not refuting your thought process my dude because you very well may be absolutely right? But we all don't know. There was more granted privacy then. And hey, we all know Wilt is majorly underserviced as an all time great or referred to the greatest player of all time. But all generations have their biases I guess
All i can say is Michael Jordan would have never choked against the Mavs in 2011
Lebron beating some of Michael's numbers has nothing to do with talent. It has to do with Lebron coming into the league as a teenager whereas Michael went to college for three years. And retired twice. If he hadn't retired the first time and you gave him 30ppg, his career regular season average plus playoffs where he averaged 32 ppg, you have to give him close to 5000 more points.
Best player in the league at 35 , MVP at 35 , scoring leader at 35 ...(6 finals MVP's . 6-0 in the finals without a gm 7 in his career in the finals) These comparisons needs to stop . Jordan is out of reach
Myka L. The sad part is that these dudes are diluting Jordan's legacy to young kids.
Myka L.
you ain't lying....KoBE was the closest that ever got to touch Jordan and he is even out of reach 😂
LeBron had D Wade and Kyrie to make the big shots for him
Bret Maverick loll how bout clutch shot in game 7 vs spurs 2013 and 2016 clutch block againsts warriors?!! u just hain
Bret Maverick hatin
H3voc Gaming no bro he top 10 just not above Jordan.
Bret Maverick when he retire he will be the greatest of all time
mj had so many 3 point assassins
Why does Whitlock lie? saying he doesn't like Jordan?
lebron could win 7 more rings and ppl would still say jordan is better... smh
Michal Jordan was called the greatest before he won any ring, so it has very little to do with rings
Jason Lachhman so has he won 7? smh it's not even close Jordan is the GOAT.
rings, no rings, thats not my point, my point is that people put jordan on such a high pedestal, that noone ever will reach his "greatness" which is what i find ridiculous
afromp you just don't understand. it has nothing to do with rings
+rayleigh8 clearly you dont understand, because you cant read
So LeBron's going to win a Finals all by himself?
suntansuperman26 You're right. They speak as if he needs to be Hercules to defeat the Titans when it's the Cavs vs Warriors. Not Lebron vs the Warriors.
suntansuperman26 he tried in 2015
Blake Larson he was the only viable scoring option
Blake Larson he also averaged 12 rebounds and 9 assist if i remember correctly
Blake Larson the series went 6 games with a one star squad.thats a credit to lebrons all around dominance
kinda sad when people argue lebron better then kobe its stats but when say lebron better then mj its he got get 6 rings lol mj beat no great team in finals
Ballin Too LeBron lost to no big team too. once you lose in the final, it shows your heart to win
Renaldo Smith that same team beat russ, kd and harden
The guy to the far right said earlier in the year somewhere around August or september that LeBron is scared of Golden State
I've had enough Lebron, Jordan comparisons
fulaan1 ratings must have been low
Gmoney Mozart maybe
Aging Better ? Have you seen Bron's Hairline xd
lol @afrikan08...so true. The only difference between hairlines is that Jordan embraced his situation and created a new look for himself that worked. I'm not so sure that LeBron would look as good as Mike did with the baldy. Maybe that's why he's holding on to his hair.
I think you are unaware that MJ wasn't caught looking like a fool.
Look at Chris Webber for example
Where as lebron endorses hair products for baldness xd
JAM yes because a hairline has everything to do with someone's durability. hair leaves everyone my dude no matter how fit you are
okay. If you din't get that as a joke I guess your brains left you.
who cares who's aging better how is that even a topic lol
+edwin ramirez because longevity matters when accessing the greatness of a player's career. it's why Kobe will forever be considered better than mcgrady
Please get that other guy out of there... just clueless whenever he opens his mouth about mj
4 grown men talking about 2 other grown men on who's the better basketball player.
I saw what Barkley did in the 80s now imagine 6'8" 260lbs LeBron in that era lol he would probably average 50 points per game. stop comparing eras it's not fair to either player.
He probably wouldn't be 260 lbs in the 80s though.
Thundergodxix LeBron came into the league at 240 the point is He is a genetic freak like wilt Chamberlain
Kemet Trill People get on here without logic that makes perfect sense that's like megathon playing in the 80's. I may be wrong but I don't think Deion Sanders could cover him without help over the top.
Kemet Trill agreed
Jamal Wallace again you fail to acknowledge LeBrons supreme size and strength. When you have the superior athletic advantage, it DOESN'T MATTER who is fouling you. Imagine a twelfth grader going up against freshman and softmores, that is the advantage Jordan had during his time, when the 6-6 athletic two guard was still an anomaly. Jordan rarely had to play against his physical equal. He was guarded by the likes of Danny ainge, Hersey Hawkins, and Jeff hornacek. Now if LeBron was to play in that same era it would be even more embarrassing because LeBron is even more physically gifted that Jordan.
DO THEY REALIZE THAT MJ PLAYED 3 YEARS AT UNC?! I hate when they compare ages. It's better to compare the number of years playing not by age. Compare LBJ to Kobe or KG as far as age bc both came out of high school.
William Betts Exactly they have to compare them through years in the league not by age. through 13yrs in nba MJ was a 6x time champion 6 finals mvp and 5 league mvp and 10 scoring titles.
sean24833 and lebron has been to 6 straight finals with 4 mvps while being a top 9 all time scorer right now
Lebron didnt have to play college.
Ray Allen hits the shot...Lebron gets the praise and the overall credit. Then Irvine hits the shot......Lebron is now compared to Jordan for winning 3 titles in the same amount of years played? Take away those single two buckets and you have a dude who went to SEVEN STRAIGHT FINALS and would have only 1 legitimate deserved ring to show for it. smh
METAF4 Perfectly said my man! 👍🏼
METAF4 still got those rings
No comparison between today's NBA and the previous league in terms of PHYSICAL PLAY nor in terms of quality centers and rim protectors. I honestly believe Dennis Rodman would drive LeBron crazy.
Jordan didn't have HGH LeBron is taking lol
Mark Jaramillo He didn't need HGH because he had Commissioner Stern in his back pocket.
the same Stern that exiled him from the NBA for a year ?
WhateverReally no he retired cuz he was scared oh hakeem & the rockets guards in 1994
Alexander Titan Oh yeah, the terrifying Rockets guards of 1994. None of which has ever been on a HoF ballot.
jordan was playing at a high level first day he stepped on a nba stage throughout his career itz been dat so it overshadows the convo
5 years ago, Broussard said Bron would be a top 10 player for 5 more years… he’s still on top with no sign of slowing down
WTF? Why is Collins's argument always, that Lebron is more friendly, than Michael?
Also Jordan was putting numbers in Washington at 38-39.
And MJ played in the NCAA.
Jordan didn't play on super teams so he had it harder plus these dudes were so rough back then. They took a beating.
tim tebow is a winner. never herda these other fellas
Whitlock doesn't like MJ? 😂I knew there was something wrong with this dude.
Jason McIntire look like he's the weekend older brother lol
usually like what the chubby guy has to say but he is wrong here. Jordan doesn't live in an unapproachable light. It's time for people to recognize that if lebron wins this year him and jordan are neck and neck. And a 5th ring puts lebron over.
lol yeah right. lebron beat a 73-9 team and led both teams in every single major statistical category. jordan never beat a team nearly as good.
boo1987 H.P Idiot? I would have to disagree with you there but you are correct in your assumption that I am not 30 years old yet lol. Despite age I have to admit that I am sympathetic toward people like you who cannot accept the fact the the nba has evolved and yes by evolved I do mean improved, in almost every way including talent. I know Jordan stands as that last redeeming image of superiority over today's nba by the nba of yesteryear but it is not reality. If you need proof take a look at Lebron opposition who has ever shot the ball like the Curry/Draymond/Klay of the Warriors '15-'16? Don't worry I will wait for your answer... that's right no one. Now add Durant, the 2nd best player on the planet to that monster and tell me one ring over that super team isn't worth 2 or maybe 3 rings that Jordan got.
Neck and neck? A fifth ring? Jordan has 6 and would have had more if he didn't retire mid career. Jordan also didn't go moving around trying to surround himself with the best players. Lebron isn't close to being neck and neck.
Jordan has far more play off wins against 50 win teams. about he didn't play great teams.
it's different, winning 50 games in the 90s was a bit easier tha it is today on average, due to the expansion teams being added to the league. Just think, as great as the mid 90s seattle supersonics were, you really think they were better than OKC with KD, westbrook, ibaka and harden? Coz that OKC core averaged 56 wins per season for 5 years and only won 60 games once. the sonics averaged 60 wins per season for 6 years and won 60+ 3 times, does that make then a better team. What's the difference between beating a 48 win team and a 52 win team, seriously? the 55 win okc just beat the 67 win spurs and should have beaten the 73 win warrios, teams with 12 and 18 more wins than then, what does that prove to you huh? THAT'S A VERY IGNORANT ARGUMENT
Luckymag 2016 there has been more 50 win seasons during 13 years James' career (102), than there was in the 13 years of Michael's (100) even with one lock out year where teams only played 66 games. My point is not ignorant because I'm not ignoring any stats. with expansion it actually makes easier for teams to win more games because the talent is spread thinner. My point was also that Jordan did play against great teams.
David Mackenzie he could t get past the first round without pippen
I'm Just Tryna Rap James couldn't get a championship without wade, Bosh and Allen. who had more help really. they're both amazing, I loved watching Jordan play and I love watching Labron play. that comment from Colin was wrong and seemingly not thought through.
David Mackenzie but LeBron took a bunch of pick up ballers and a old ilgauskas to the finals against the Spurs in 07'
how they gonna laugh when he said it was a powderpuff league now? The fouls called in the Jordan Era would be flagrant 1s now. the common fouls now wouldn't barely be called back then. It's much easier for players to score. at least that's what it feels like. (not taking anything away from LeBron, cause he is good. but come on man)
"It's much easier for players to score":-
-nope less ISOs, more zone defense, better awareness of shooter on the floor.
-LBJ and Jordan might get the same superstar treatment.
-the fouls are less aggressive because the League wanna protect the players specially theirs stars.
-After the downfall of Detroit and Boston in the early 90s(coincidence with the rise of the bulls) it was clear they would advance to the finals every season.
Garrett Luttman 1. You can't fault Lebron for playin in the era he's playing in, it's just not fair. Zone defenses have developed so much that the argument it's easier to score is blasphemy, especially since a three point shot is more difficult than a layup or a dunk. The league has transformed into a shooting league and Lebrons game is geared towards the paint so how is it easy to score. Lebron is just that great, not good but GREAT.
We can fault the stats these players put up though.
Garrett Luttman True. but in that era it was much easier for players to defend. LeBron(prime) is arguably the most fierce combination of strength and speed the league has ever seen. Imagine a league where on defense someone like him is allowed to hand-check and foul hard with little consequences. It kinda works both ways.
Invincible Shaolin
But in todays game it doesn't go both ways. Lebron wouldn't be able to bully the league. Plus he wouldn't be able to just power in the paint and score. That is his main game. He has nothing special if everyone around him is just as big and physical. Arguably yes, but isn't, and he isnt a better passer than Jordan. He would be a Shawn Kemp that can pass IMO.
Whitlock got bodied on this one LOL
Super Game Jerks he usually does
Can't stand him.
It'll probably be the closest he ever gets. Dude grows a new chin every time I see him!
him and that little kid with the red shirt. bodied everytime
Jordan didn't beat great teams? Yeah, he and the Bulls just beat the Clyde Drexler Trail Blazers, Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns, Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp Seattle SuperSonics, and the John Stockton & Karl Malone Utah Jazz in the Finals. Oh, and they also beat Patrick Ewing's Knicks and Reggie Miller's Indiana Pacers on a regular basis. Anybody who doesn't consider at least one of those teams great is just blinded by the fact that those teams never won a ring because of the Bulls' dominance.
MikeDiastavrone3 exactly what u said bulls dominance not just Jordan bulls were a super team
242okil Of course it's not just Jordan, just like it's not just LeBron. The Cavaliers are maybe the most complete team in the NBA in terms of balancing athleticism with size and offensive firepower with team defense. They are a great team in and of themselves, just like the Bulls were in the '90s.
As for the Bulls being a "super team," I'd say only the second three-peat really qualifies since that was when Rodman joined the team.
MikeDiastavrone3 does are not super teams stop it
Emilio Coppin Lebron has faced overall better teams in the finals but his road to the finals has been significantly easier. Some of Jordan's toughest battles were just getting to the finals and that's not something people take into account.
VeliThaDon the only one I give is Celtics sixer an piston that's it an those were all in the 80s
To be honest here Lebron's career will for ever be tarnished for the simple reason that when his Cavs couldn't win what does he do turn his back on his city and leaves to Miami where they already had a superstar named Dwyane wade plus they recruited Chris Bosh. Then he finally says OK I'll go back to Cavs and assemble the best team so he could win. Fan or no fan of Jordan you have to admit that at least he stuck with his team until he won championships. Jordan played against tougher defense than you have now. If you don't believe me go look up pistons vs bulls and see how they beat him up bad when he tried going baseline. Jordan had to overcome a lot more to get where he got. Again,it's all in the videos if anyone disagrees. Also the guy is part of a team that 3peat twice. Remember after the first one he left came back after leaving for about a year or so and not long after he returns they win 3 more. So it doesn't matter what LeBron accomplishes now cause he will only be second best to Jordan but not top him. Also,Jordans name is still as relevant as Lebron's and he hasn't played in over two decades. so who's the man.
Jorge Perez Lebron went to the finals six straight times with two different teams and three different coaches and took a bunch of no-name Cavaliers to the finals his fourth year in the league
Thank you
Yeah a horrible organization gave him no help he tried for 7 years and they never gave him any talent. Jordan never won a series without Scottie you know that right? Basketball is a 5 v 5 game. Of course you need good teammates. Common now.
They never answered the question. They asked who is aging better not who is better.
I really wished Len Bias would've lived because it would be a completely different conversation.
Whitlock mentions defense did he forget there was no zone back then it was one on one basically
nah, there was a lot of zone, just not officially. And of course the defense was much tougher back then.
Gary Ridgeway Facts bro!
If Lebron wins this year against the "super team" he will be the greatest basketball player of all time.
Usopp Stark Isn't winning a championship a team effort. Because I remember when Jordan fans used his rings LeBron fans said rings doesn't determine a legacy because it's a team achievement.
suntansuperman26 That's true but it's hard to ignore when someone leads both teams in all of the major statistical categories in a 7 game NBA finals. Not taking away anything from kyries shot or Michael Jordan's rings but Lebron is the only player to do that.
Usopp Stark If Lebron loses against Golden State the Jordan debate will be dead.
jordan fan use the number of rings he has won as the argument. maybe thats fair but its not the number of rings lebron fans would be arguing...if he wins this year then he beat an 'unstoppable' team would be the argument
LeBron would be in the league even if you took away what he was born with. He is still an all time great in basketball I.q. and passing
That,s like in NHL hockey fans who slurp Sidney Crosby and are trying to push him past Mario Lemeux hall of famer, and Jaromir Jagr currently playing on the Florida Panthers.
its so funny.... imao. Merry Christmas.
Karl Malone was the iron man foh lol
Only way Lebron can be and eventually surpass Jordan in when comparing the two are accomplishments. And the only reason is simply cuz Lebron played more NBA games than MJ did. But when it comes to GREATNESS, Lebron will never surpass MJ. It doesn't matter how many more rings Lebron earns in the last stage of his career. Even tho Lebron still has more to play for, what he is on the court is settled and laid to rest....and that isn't better than what MJ was on it.
You must be smoking something real good there.
CrysisOwnsHalo - Yep, sure am. It's called knowledge. U should try it sometime.
Another fuccboi thinks Greatness equals number of 💍
Chris Williams u are an idiot
well when everything is Said and done idk but im sticking With Lebron.
Lebron needs to reach Kobes level first before we start discussing Jordan.
28 points in his 17th year in the league I don't see how you age any better than that
Donald Monroe lol 17 years that's how you know you don't know basketball
kobe bryant sir
LeBron is more talented than Jordan was overall. He just won't ever be as great as Jordan. Jordan had a better career, simple as that.
True.... is what I would say if Lebron's career was over lol
I guess it's not over but I can't see him getting to 6. I just can't.
but who knows
more talented in what? he ha sno move all he does is lower shoulder and bullz in like a fullback no jump shot no fade way no cool lay up all power dunks. what exactly is he better at than mj?
Lol cool looking layup? Grow up. I'm talking about what's effective not what's aesthetically pleasing. LeBron is a better passer, rebounder and defender. Jordan had LeBron in scoring and clutch. For an overall game though, LeBron is actually better.
lebron career n 13yrs is 7 finals nd ONLY 3RINGS(WIT SUPER TEAMS)
#MORE_LOSES_THEN_WINS
Jordan had 6RINGS N 13YRS
#NO_LOSES
Kobe Won 5RINGS N 11YRS
ONLY 2 LOSES
basically the Jordan vs LeBron debate is always old heads/young adults vs teens/young kids
= no point in debating
LBJ doing all this to be 2nd IG Jordan was perfection its no contest
These kids are trying so hard to hoist LeBron above Jordan that it's pathetic. The most fallible and idiotic arguments are made for LeBron over Jordan. The hold next to no weight but people are so tired of Jordan being the "GOAT" they will down play his accomplishments to make it an argument
Darrel Be so what about Lebron being top 10 scoring and top 15 assists already at age 32 and jordan isnt at all.
What about lebron bringing his garbage team to the finals while jordan couldnt advance to the ecf.
What about lebron beating an 73-9 team in the finals.
Overall it is not that clear that jordan is better
Darrel Be lebron went to the finals six straight times with two different teams and three different coaches and non of his coaches were good coaches
MyBeautifulDark TwistedFantasy Imagine if Jordan didn't stop playing that would have been 8 in a row and 8 out 8 in finals LBJ wouldn't be close at all..
Dr. Game Imagine if lebron had someone in cleveland that would have been 6 straight
Dr. Game Imagine if lebron had someone in cleveland that would have been 6 straight
Lebron's been playing with 2 great players in Miami and Cleveland! Jordan is the GOAT!
Chris Bosh never was a great player, he was an all star but never a superstar. Dennis Rodman was better than him and then Kevin love. MJ still the goat for me but let's be objective. And Pippen is better than kyrie, althought D-Wade is indeed better than Pippen (only until 2012 thought from 2013 on the D-wade lebron played with was worse than the 90s pippen)
Brehon Mills What was Kyrie and K Love doing before they played with Lebron? They were LOOSING.
RohemaWitten If Durant would've joined Kyrie and Love, the probably would win a championship! Kyrie was the MVP of the finals last year! Lebron took the ball out of Kyrie hands in game 7 only because he wanted that MVP!
Brehon Mills Oh you're just a Lebron hater. Carry on.
Brehon Mills Lebron was the leader overall but Kyrie hit all the key element shots to win the championship.. Lebron fans hate to hear that when that was never the case with Jordan.. Pippen helped alot on defense more than offense like guarding Magic in the 91 finals
Lol I feel like I'm watching ESPN for some reason🤔
Jordan also never lost in the Finals while being apart of 3 super teams like LeBron
Its getting closer every year
True.
Yeah it's getting closer for LeBron to retire.
man plz jordan didn't have to play against zones and the pistons celtics lakers was old when he beat them
how many 50+ wins teams LBJ beat in PO?
Zbykobyl had to beat the celts big 3 the pistons who went to 5 straight conference finals and who did the bulls beat
How are you going to point out the pistons who went to 5 conference finals (2 finals) and then ask who did Michael beat when the pistons that Michael beat went to 5 straight conference finals too and went to 3 straight finals while winning back to back...makes no sense lol
Kevin Flowers when they were old and beat up
cole eason Isaiah and rodman turn 30 like 2 weeks before the series started, dumars is actually younger than MJ. Aguirre was 31. vinny Johnson was "old" at 34 but actually led the team in scoring that series at 21ppg on 59% shooting. The team was number 1 in defense that year too and just came off 3 straight final appearance's winning back to back but since they lost to the bulls then they are old huh...The pistons LeBron beat had 3 of the 5 starts over 30 and their 6th man mcdyess at 32. Keep in mind that ben Wallace was no longer on the team either......That brings up another point if you think 30 is old then that means you must be extremely impressed with MJ considering at age 35 he won the scoring title, regular season MVP and finals MVP but you will find a way to down play that too huh.
I dont understand how the Cavs arent considered a super team
Michael Jordan played in the 90s where there were so many less superstars to compete against
When it all said and done, Labron will be the greatest ever!
Lol! Ok dude.
+Reggie Love And then you woke up
TheStrawbeery and then he learned how to spell
kingbanksss Hum first grade mentality how nice,One day you will be relevant, today is not that day though.
TheStrawbeery lol I'm not talking about you kid
As a Celtics he got plenty of joy out of seeing the Big 3 destroy LeBron if he beats this Warriors super team after beating the best regular season team of all time after being down 3-1 he's passed Jordan in my eyes
talks about he 3 peat but didn't give the rest he took off to help him get it 😂😂😂
Ones act like LeBron playing teams by himself, Kyrie a beast and they built a "super team" around him. This league only have about 5 good teams and 2 of them arent even in championship conversation. LeBron vs Jordan is league hype.
LBJ is 6'8, 250 pounds monster who can play any era
He wouldn't be the best in the 80s and/or 90s tho
yet he flops
So can Hakeem Olajuwon or Shaq. So what?
Can you imagine if Lebron took off a whole year and let his body heal!!!! Jesus christ he would come back and be dominant asf I dont think it would be fair
Can you imagine if LeBron took off a whole year and spent the entire time rebuilding his musculature to be adapted to baseball!!! Jesus christ he would come back and might not even play like an All-Star
WhateverReally hate hate hate
WhateverReally guilty as charged.i love all the legends.hating is childish
Brando Williams you do realize Jordan didn't take time off. He went to play baseball. Wasn't like he was on vacation.
John Williams Lebron is on track to be the first player to average 25 8 and 7.
For first time Colin said something right Bird and Magic saved the nba the MJ took to another level and don't forget the landscape of dream team
I think the Wizards version of MJ answers this question.
jordan is better than lebron
If lebron wins a ring over golden state this year he's better than Jordan. Even if he "only" had 4. These warriors are better than any team Jordan had to play against in the finals
kefkapalazzo1 Go watch the finals agains portland '92 phoenix '93 and utah 97-98 kid
Lol No of those teams were better than the Warriors and I'm 34 stop it.
umar mat stop it they're not all time teams
JBaconBites yeah that's a great reason smh
kefkapalazzo1 last years warriors is a better team than anytime Jordan played to be honest
One came into the league out of high school the other didn't.
the first time Jordan plays with an ALLSTAR he wins a 3 peat..... He went through the tough knicks with Ewing and Oakley, He went throught the Heat with penny and Mourning, he went through the lakers with Magic, he went through the detroit pistons who still had 3 of their TOP players in Rodman, Isiah and Joe (could add in bill), he went through the Seattle Super Sonics who had a big three (payton, Hawkins, Kemp) and had one of the best records at the time, He went through the pacers big 3 og Reggie, Jackson, and SMiths who was no scrub or the davis brothers who were beasts, he went through the suns who had a strong duo with Ainge and Barkley, he beat the Magic with a 3-4 superstar roster with Penny Hardaway, Dennis Scott, and Shaq and anderson who were expected to beat them, he had to go past the Jazz with Stockton, Malone, Hornecek....
Jordan faced big 3 teams and if his father wouldnt have been killed wed be talking about his 8 rings cause all the media had to do was question his ability and the fire would of been re lit
Lebron faced on his own, The celtics big three who were aging much like magics lakers were
he faced the pistons who aged as well much like jordan faced an aging pistons
he lost to a tough spurs team (dont hold him against that)
but later in his career he faced, the bulls with 2 allstars in Rose and Deng, later 2 again with Butler and Rose
a pacer team that had scola west and george
and im really struggling to find another team he had to go through in the eastern conference
while in the finals he met the uderdog mavs, who beat him
he faced the spurs a few times won and lost a few
a OKC team that were inexperienced at their age
the warriors who in my opinion are over hyped yet nonetheless are a good team and i dont hold that loss against him cause of injuries
then he beats them finally
oh and Lebron need 2 other allstars to get him rings
Jordan only needed 1
alot of these old guys live in nostalgia with jordan. he did not run through the prime celtics or Lakers he best them after they got old, he didn't start beating them until they took hand checking out. hand checking was eliminated in 92 so jordan won half his championships "in a powder puff league"
WestCoastDon448 so I guess all the titles LeBron has are in a "power puff league" too
The Master at least you're allowed to double team players off the ball now and play zone defense to cut off driving lanes.
arman1261 just like now days if you breath on someone that's a foul right?
The Master more fouls were called back then than now.
Btw the reason that change the rules of double teaming because of Michael Jordan and Shaq and the zone came because a A.I because they were so good and last time a check. Jordan did play on those rules with the wizards and still average 20 points per game at age 38-40
Nope still gotta get on kobe level!
There are those Kobe fanboys who are in denial that Bron's better than Kobe. Well hate to break yesterday's news ya. Bron has already surpassed him. Sorry bro.
Doni Lorenzo how by winning 4 rings loosing 3. Playing on super teams yea i dont follow.
exactly my point
Dutton2013 Horry's got 7 so I guess he's better than Kobe. Bill Russell's got 11 so I guess he's the GOAT? See how foolish that sounds? That's the problem with Kobe fanboys, all you ever argue is 5 rings or mamba mentality. It's much more than that. Sorry, I respect Kobe and all his accomplishments but he's not better than LeBron.
Doni Lorenzo quick question how old are you bro?
Whitlock brings up Jordan's brand when he couldnt win the playing longevity arguement😂😂
Coulda woulda shoulda. Voluntarily shortening your career doesn't change the fact that you still had a shorter career
Lebron is 6'9 and 250 in a NBA era where there is barely any physicality. Of course he will dominate. Frankly I think he's one of the most boring players in the NBA because of it.
Listen, let's be clear about something, for me MJ still is the goat, but let me tell something. A while ago I watched a special hosted by Ahmad Rashad in which he asked Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain how they would fare in the ’90s. To no surprise, they said they’d dominate. They claimed that that era was much easier than theirs. Russell even said that his Celtics teams were the greatest of all-time; much better than Jordan’s Bulls. A previous generation arguing their clearly inferior game was better than the present generation at the time. Sound familiar right? I hate it to break it to all of you that romanticize 1990’s basketball, but the game is a bit better now. It’s common sense that athletes are better in today’s world. In sports like track and field and swimming, it’s much more easily quantifiable. In basketball, it isn’t. But the same principles apply. In a vacuum, today’s athletes are faster, stronger, and smarter. This is how the world works. You learn from the previous generation and build on it. The quality of basketball being played today is much higher. Kids play all year long, honing their skills and adding to the game. Players, on average, are much more skilled. Jordan and Scottie Pippen and others were fantastic players, but they also benefitted from playing in a worse era. One that thrived on isolation play, simplistic defensive schemes, and inefficient shots. Overall the quality of team basketball today is more advanced and better than it ever was (that doesn't mean the players individually are more or less talented, it means the systems are better)
The average basketball player is more athletic now, but not by a large amount. How come no one has broken the world long jump, triple jump, and high jump in 20+ years then? I can agree about players being stronger now, but that's pretty relative. Players back then would be as strong as they are now with today's training methods.
To simplify, its the evolution of the game. Todays players build and learn from the previous and thus are better.
Really it is two things. The first thing is a character issue and the second is how far in advance of one's era is the player without having any unfair natural advantages like height. I totally agree with you that today's game is a better game. That's only natural as we become more knowledgeable.
Michael Jordan is a better player than LeBron in every way conceivable. For starters, he was lightyears ahead of his competition - LeBron is not. Michael Jordan revolutionized the way the game was played - LeBron did not. Michael Jordan was a far better competitor than LeBron and had a far better zeal for competition than LeBron. In terms of pure basketball skill, Michael Jordan was also a far superior player - better footwork, far better ball handling and far better beauty. LeBron's game at this point is practically all in the weightroom. It's clumsy and bullyish. Yes, I accept that Lebron is very athletic, but that's it. His dominance comes from his physical presence - not from his skill.
There's no comparison. Michael Jordan was an artist out there who also doubled as an assassin in shorts. What LeBron does Michael Jordan can do. What Michael Jordan did, LeBron can't do even with all of the medical and nutritional advances in the game. #freekanye
Free Kanye West Lebron is the better passer and rebounder. So not in every way conceivable.
dusttaker No he is not. He just does it more, mainly because he's not as good a scorer. Michael Jordan would've never won a title had he relied on passing. His cohorts were not that good. #MHGA
2019...what happened coliin😂😂😂
LOL talking about friends, HAHAHAHAHA. You don't need friends when you don't choke on yourself and you're a winner.
lol so many guys wanna play with bron cuz they so came to join LeBron. oops my bad LeBron brought Kevin love in a trade and Kyrie was already there. LeBron jumped ship to wades team. so it was LeBron who wanted to play with a beast. wades a nice guy and said come here LeBron ill show u how to finally win.
K love was in another contract negotiation and Klove STOPPED his negotiation to come play with Lebron
Scottie Pippen said Lebron James is the greatest basketball player ever and that Jordan is the greatest scorer ever... Who is more qualified to answer answer that question then him? And that was before he beat the warriors from a 1-3 comeback in the finals
deez nutz Pippen salty ..Kyrie not lebron won that finals lol
we got some know it alls in the comments lmfao😂 whats new
I am sick and tired to my stomach why people are continuing comparing LBJ to MJ. This is ridiculous. Seriously! !!!!! MJ destroyed the NBA. Period!!!!!! ask Karla Malone, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Larry Bird, Allen Iverson, Patrick Ewing, Shaq O'Neil, my man Kobe. bruh, I can continue with this list 4ever. after MJ took 2 year of absence from winning 3 championship in a row. (straight ) MJ knew there wasn't any competition. And then, when he came back from his mini retirement. MJ won another 3 Straight championships more. REMEMBER, mj never , never never, never left his team. Unlike, cry baby LBJ. MJ build he team from ground up. MJ has more rings, and achievements than LBJ. Jesus, go to foot locker, or any sneaker store's you will find more Mj' sneakers than LBj. because MJ is a Legend. end of story
9 years he lost or no finals
dudes under 30 don't understand , what basketball has become .....
There is no debate until LeBron gets 3 more rings.
Sammy Samosa dumb argument
Lebron came in the league at 18 and was already top 3 in his second season.
Lebron brought a garbage team to the finals in 07 while jordan didnt reach the ecf without pippen.
Lebron is already top 10 points top 15 assists, jordan isnt.
Lebron is overall more valuable
MyBeautifulDark TwistedFantasy 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Jordan took a break in his prime and still achieved more than LeBron who never took break. Jordan was drafted into a conference with an all time great Celtics squad with Bird and the Bad Boy Pistons who he had to face. In 2007 which team in the east was on that level of competition? After 13 prime seasons Jordan won the most scoring titles, the most Finals MVPs, the most defensive first team selections, 5 MVPs, DPOY, 3 time steals leader, became the only player to record over 200 steals and over 100 blocked shots for more than one season and became the NBA playoffs all time leading scorer despite playing less games than Kareem, Kobe and LeBron. Plus after he retired after his 13th season he was #3 on the all time scoring list. When you stack up LeBron's 13 seasons next to Jordan's it speaks for itself. Plus LeBron's in his 14th season still chasing Jordan. Don't get me wrong LeBron's a great player but trying to put him over Jordan is just crazy.
Stupid comment. Pippen wouldn't be Pippen if Jordan didn't teach him the game. #freekanye
this is a joke right? lol Lebron was way more durable than jordan
Chaz Bustos nawww
Chris Williams excuses, count the liked bud
Chaz Bustos Jordan can do everything that lebron can do except 100 times better. while lebron pads his stats in this care bear league Jordan was actually holding back. LeBron has to pad his stats to hide the fact that he will never be compared to the great scorers
SC Challenger that has nothing to do with whose more durable and Lebron's stats alone at the end of it all will back up him being the best player ever as in anyone in their right mind would start a team with him or pick him for a draft people only want kobe and mj in the last 3 minutes of a game and basketball is way more than bud
SC Challenger Can Jordan lead both teams in Pts Rbs Ast Stls Blks? i dont think so. And how can you stat pad when you shoot 51%
How many Playoffs series did Jordan win without Scottie??? Dennis, Scottie, and Phil don't get enough credit
If this is such an advanced league with all-time athleticism, how is it that Jordan did what he did on one leg as a Wizard?
People always talk about the defense in the 90s as a way to discredit LeBron. They forget what a physical beast he is and how much he'd be able to dominate anyone back then on defense.
Kenric D are you talking about LBJ playing defense or people playing defense on him.
Him playing defense on others.
What I don't understand is they say MJ took a beating back in the day but they also say LeBron wouldn't last in MJ era but everyone knows LeBron is bigger in height, weight and STRENGTH! It doesn't make sense. If LeBron is stronger than MJ and MJ took a beating why do they think LeBron couldn't last in MJs era.
keion price Lebron would've been a bully back then. He's as big as Karl Malone and quicker than most shooting guards.
jordan took the beating but he was a dirty defenser also.. lebron is not a dirty defender but with his body he can ran people over.. if not check what happened with Roy hibbert and it was not intentional.
ApodGaming but you could never proved that so I don't get why you think your right if you will never know so just respect the opinion lol
not even a basketball fan, but people have adapted over the years, physically. its almost not fair to compare athletes in different time periods because now we have healthier lives, we have more sport science, players/coaches learned more and can apply it to the game, we live longer, all that factors in. cant compare an athlete from today to 15 years ago, just isnt right
Man, Colin gettin that check from LeBron tho 😂😂
does it take skill to knock somebody out when they come in the paint. it doesn't... lebron has faced more skilled defenders than jordan
Quincy Now I know you didn't watch back in the day. Today's game is offensively driven. Points and assists are inflated due to the rule changes. Put Isiah Thomas in today's league and not be able to touch him? He would show you the difference.
Detroit Pistons buddy, the bad boys won chips with their D
Quincy gary payton
Ali Kobaissi that's one dude
+Quincy Your ignorance is amusing
jordan never beat the Celtics
Colin : "The saddest thing in the world is the old angry guy the coolest thing in the world is the 60 year old guy who has many friends" hahahahaha skip has been dethroned as the funniest sports analyst.
powder puff league, that's a nice one. hahahah