How Mercedes Snatched The 2017 Title From Ferrari
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- Did Ferrari blow their shot at a title in 2017? In this video we’ll explore the events of the 2017 season, how things played out, and the story behind one of the most illuminating years of the Turbo Hybrid Era. Subscribe for more F1 Stories: bit.ly/CYF1Sub
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It certainly looked that way at the time... Ain't watched the video yet... So glad you dropped it, well been looking forward to this!
Will Comment within an hour ! Love peace and health Crank🍀
Great video, as usual. Just quick correction (maybe?... I'm new to the whole sport)... buuuut... in the graphic shown from min. 28:09 to 28:16... shouldn't it say Senna on the last spot? Instead it says Hamilton twice and Schumacher in the middle.
Yes ferrari
Well do done to you 👊🏿 today we have first practice for 2020 I can’t wait.
Do 2012 analysis
2017 and 2018 were just heavily underrated
Seb and Lewis’ rivalry deserves more attention
The SF70H’s numbers aside, can we just pause for a moment to appreciate how beautiful that Ferrari is?
One of my favorite bodies. Love the aero rules that season
CrankyYankeeF1 The livery paired with the design very well. Both technically and aesthetically, it’s still so cool to see.
Such a fucking beautiful Ferrari. I hate the font and styling of the numbers they have now it’s awful
Eh she looked a little on the chubby side
@@dyslexofficial2798 *T H I C C G U R L
How the hell you do these videos, I don’t know. The analysis and narrative is better than anything I’ve seen on TV, including the Sky Sports F1 channel, who transmit all over the world
careful attention, patience, long hours, and listening to your feedback haha. really as long as you all are telling me what to fix, it's super easy to be good at this, it just requires I listen!
No lies detected. Yank does it again.
@Bahamuttiamat
I do detect a lie....or should I say detect self-deprecation. It’s not easy to research, write, edit, produce and deliver all this. Even the choice of background music is spot on for creating a reflective mood.
@@darkmatter6714 "no lies detected" means I'm in agreement with your comment lol. Did i miss something?
@Bahamuttiamat
we both missed something!
I thought you meant no lies detected in the response Cranky made to me; whereas I now know you meant no lies in my original comment about him.
You thought my response to you was saying I was lying, which is why it didn’t make sense to you; whereas I meant Cranky was “lying” (self-deprecating) about how easy it was!
This is how wars start 😂
Everyone remembers Vettel´s 2017 just for Singapore and Baku, and point to taht as the points that cost Vettel the championship. But everyone seems to forget the strategic blunder in China, the puncture in the British Gp, and the two mechanical issues at Japan and Malaysia. That's over 50 points and it would`ve swung the championship Vettel´s way
"but muh mercedes dominance"
@@mro9466 the ferrari was an overall slower car
singapore and baku wasn't even seb's fault either. It was bad luck in singapore that kimi crashed into max and then crashed into seb. It was bad luck that hamilton had problems in baku and caused seb to crash into him. The entire year was just bad luck to seb just like how 2022 is just bad luck to charles.
@@son8128 I'd say Baku while bad luck for Vettel, was also his fault. The frustration got him and he gave himself a time penalty as well.
@@son8128 seb was most definitely not a passenger in singapore. both him and kimi tried to squeeze max, leaving him absolutely nowhere to go. i believe it is simply a lack of awareness from the ferrari drivers to realize where each other was on the track.
It's been a long time coming but finally it's here, incredible production on this one mate, thank you for having me on and looking forward to a few future pieces we have in the works together ;)
full circle! I can still remember your McLaren vid that started it all for me like it was yesterday haha
I like very much seeing two excellent channels getting along and co!!aborating
Ooo hi Aldas
For sure you said some pretty dumb shit, didn't you? Vettel took out Kimi and Verstappen? What do you smoke dude, I'd like to know, coz that shit should be fucking banned by the WHO
@@professor_tenshi stfu dude everyone knows it was Vettel's fault. You're just a salty fanboy. Now please reply, those fries are a little bland.
Funny thing, the title battle in 2017 was going so well that by the time the summer break was over I had bought the ticket and booked and paid for the trip to watch the brazilian GP (For those in the know, it's not exactly cheap) expecting it to be the title decider, Singapore and Suzuka threw the world's biggest wrench on my plans.
Spark plug * haha holy hell I’d be livid I can’t even imagine hahah
Simplified - Ferrari had the better chassis for about half the season but a much slower engine. Mercedes massively won the development race as the equaled Ferrari’s chassis half way and their engine was just supreme. Vettel drove amazing that year, arguably better than Hamilton but he didn’t have a chance. Ferrari screwed up this year just like 2018.
Thanks. You saved me an hour of my life.
I disagree about seb being the better driver, they were about equal in performance as drivers, but vettel made a few more mistakes than Hamilton, which theoretically if he had a better car and better strategies in the second half of the season I think he would've just lost
@@jbbzxy6749 no vettel is faster than hamilton bit not as consistent. Amd if you are the one chasing your rival in the wdc you got to take mor risks = more mistakes which was the case in the second half. But Hamilton is amzaing, driving that fast that consistent is all you need to win wdc in the best car.
@@yugarten8523 Bruh casual fans often say that in 2017 and 2018 ferrari had the best car. But thats not true, because many of you forget that youve got to develop a car whilst the season progresses. And while ferrari had arguably for the first half of the season the better car, they werent able to develop theirs as good as the mercedes team. And yes vettel made mistakes but havent you wondered how in both years he dominated the first half but then didnt even get a win in the second half? Yeah clearly only his fault. What i want to say is that even if you got the best car in the beginning, if you dont upgrade it or your upgrades even damage the Performance of the car, like Ferrari also did in 2018, youre not going to win a championship.
B*D* 2018 Ferrari was better for the biggest part of the season. Vettels mistakes were just too costly.
Ferrari: "The only thing we need to fear is we itself"
hahahahah never heard this
I always thought Sebastian’s 2017 performance was underrated.
And can’t wait for the 2003 video. For me was Schumacher’s most hard earned title.
Not 2000? Honestly i just think 2003 was his worst preforming championship year. He still won the championship so it definitely wasn't a bad preformence. But he had the best car with the best reliability. Kimi Räikkönen for example was only using a B spec 2002 car when he lost the championship by 2 points. Schumacher had (much like Hamilton this year) no retirements due to reliebility issues, although he did crash in brazil. Kimi Räikkönen had two more retirements than Schumacher one of witch he was leading the race when his car gave up on him.
F1 had just created the more "consistancy is key" points scoring system for that year and that was why Kimi and Juan Pablo was even able to compeat with the Ferrari but that showed that they were more conistant podium finnishers than Schumacher who was used to "The winningest driver taking the championship" points scoring system before. Honestly it was really only go one way and the fact that Schumacher almost bottled it shows just shows that he wasn't prepared and just expected another 2002 Ferrari car to ace the championship. I guess in that regard it was his most hard fought because he was cought of guard and had to win 3 races in a row to get the lead back... and then win while comming 8th in the final race... real hard fought season there...
@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO Well, I think it was the most hard earned, but not necessarily his best performance.
I think his best performance are '94 and '95 winning against a faster Williams, in '95 making it look almost easy. The reason Williams didn't dominate '92 till '97 completaly was him.
But even so, in '03 Montoya and Raikkonen were serious threats, and people doubted Michael during the season saying that he's lost it. The Ferrari wasn't unbeatable like in '02 and '04 where they were P1 and P2. Rubens finished 4th and he's not a bad driver by any means.
So yeah, perhaps not his best performance, but maybe that's why I value that championship so much, 'cause even against serious competitors and not in his greatest form he still came on top.
@@jordanchang133 The 1995 Williams was the fastest car but not by much. Herbert winning two races with the Benetton proves it was good and he only finished 4 points behind Coulthard in the 1995 standings. The 1994 Williams however wasn't the fastest car and Ayrton Senna will tell you that. Schumacher himself considered the 1994 Benetton the best car he ever drove until he drove the 2002 Ferrari. At the first test Schumacher was so ecstatic by how well-balanced the car was he immediately called up Rory Byrne and congratulated him. Senna and Hill by contrast told Williams the car was incredibly twitchy and unpredictable at the limit. In the first two races of 1994 Senna struggled to keep up with Schumacher and spun out in Brazil while pushing beyond the limit.
Want the opinion of an outsider? How about Gerhard Berger in the Ferrari who was lapped by Schumacher and Senna in progression. According to Berger Schumacher's Benetton was as if planted on the track whereas Senna's Williams was "all over the place". That Senna even managed to tail Schumacher with such a car made Berger respect him even more.
Yes, Damon Hill sorted out the worst characteristics of the 1994 Williams when they introduced the improved Williams FW16B in the 9th race of the 16 race season. But you see for the first 8 races Williams was still stuck with the twitchy and bad FW16. So to claim that the Williams was the fastest car in 1994 is ignorant. Btw, Autosport Magazine awarded the 1994 Benetton the "racing car of the year" award.
More to the point does the 1994 really count with Senna dead? In an instant Schumacher's mid to late 90's championship campaigns became a good deal easier.
2000 was the first title he truly had to fight for because it was against a Mika Hakkinen on fire and in a good McLaren.
The 2003 title should have been Raikkonen's or Montoya's but unfortunately the FIA decided to change the regulation for tires smack in the middle of the season rather than introducing them as the regulation starting with the next. In a swift stroke the edge of the Michelin tire was gone and with it Montoya's championship. Considering McLaren sacrificed much of the season trying to make the MP4/18 pass crash tests and postponing its introduction it's amazing what Raikkonen did with a modified 2002 car.
hard earned? no chance. gifted by the FIA. up until Italy it was one of the greatest seasons of all time. once what happened, happened. 15 race wins out of the next 16 races for ferrari. Also as i have read below, a great set of points made. Reliability and a change in score system was indeed key as credit where credit is due, without that change in scoring system the championship is completely different and with Michael winning more races it would have looked more convincing at the end.
However, despite my (admitted) irritance and disbelief with the FIA's call. i am indeed looking forward to seeing this video as it still ranks in the top 10 seasons of all time for me.
@@paulallen8109 That' just bullshit mate.
The 94 Beneton was bowhere near the best car he drive nor the best on the grid
But ut was *MUCH* slower the the Williams.
I'm sorry, that is reality, not a matter of opinion
Ah yes, 2017. The year the British media started presenting Seb as some kind of villain and haven't stopped doing it for 3 years.
it's so weird haha I was in London last year and it reminded me of spain. I hadn't realized until I was actually there how much of an agenda is driven nationality wise for certain drivers.
they did the same thing with alonso, and alonso took it like a boss
@@CYMotorsport Spain is so much worse, though. Specially during the Alonso era in Spain we would make the joke that Spanish press and media didn't cover F1 (Formula 1), they covered FA (Formula Alonso) and both Hamilton and Vettel rapidly were made into villains amidst lies and manipulation from the Spanish press.
Ah yes, like every national media.
They're so obviously biased. Shameless, these journalists.
As far as I remember Seb actually said later that season that he over-reacted and his action was unnecessary. And at the end of the season he was joking about Baku and how he wouldn't get fairplay of the year award or something like that.
He was joking with Hamilton (I think) saying that Lewis would win Personality of the year, sportsman of the year and fairplay, and then said "Well, Fairplay maybe not" 🤣
Profoundly impressive analysis. Also nails that 2017 Hamilton was setting a behavioral trend for 2018, 19 and probably 20. Hamilton has (almost) perfected his race-craft - possibly a consequence of his defeat by Rosberg in 2016 - and that drive to perfection began to manifest in 2017.
This guy gets it! It was way too much work to make it a trilogy atleast at once haha but that’s precisely where I was going. 17 was expectations and 18 was behavior stemming from 17. I may go back all the way to 15 when he had an insane season no one cared then a winless one.
@@CYMotorsport months late but as a new f1 fan, i’d love to see this. analyses on driver progression/regression, i’d eat that up and i’m sure i’m not alone.
Thanks for letting me be involved in this great project mate! Can't wait to see how it all comes together but it was a really interesting season in recent times not just for the on track incidents but the off track psychological elements as well!
With brazil 19 getting so much air play, it was important to find the source. I really do think 2017 was it. especially the incident you cover in Baku.
@@CYMotorsport Drivers are human beings and shaped by their experience. You take an F1 driver and put them in one of the most highly pressured sports where every mistake as a championship contender is amplified, those moments definitely leave their scars on the drivers!
@@F1Fanatics_14 well said. So many right now fans are absolutely missing the personality part of Grand Prix racing. There a poker component to these seasons that is extremely fascinating to watch play out between the drivers week to week. It’s always been that way too.
@@F1Fanatics_14 Looking back this was a good season for fights at the front in races.
It’s finally here 💪
"FUCKING FINALLY" - Kimi Raikkonen
@CrankyYankeeF1 yes confirmed
Been waiting for another vid for ageeeeees. The last ones were already very very short predictions for 2020. Btw. Nick!!! What about Austria this weekend? What are your predictions?
28:10 Ayrton Hamilton at 65 poles
NEED a 2018 version.
I think it's even more interesting than the 17 drama.
Definitely. It’s just an easier story. 2017 was incredibly hard to piece together. 2018 is fairly simple haha Seb shat the bed a bit too often for my liking but I’ll need to take another look
@@CYMotorsport are we saying that Vettel lost 2 or maybe 3 WDCs because of Ferrari’s inability to be reliable?
One interesting thing i notice when looking back to the 2018 season was that, around the same time it got anounced that Kimi was leaving Ferrari he outscored Vettel throughout the rest of the year (if we don't count races where they retired). Vettels start was just so good that it didn't really matter and Kimi came in 3rd
@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO i Think Seb kind of gave up in 2018. Ferrari was no where after monza and Lewis pulled out all the stops and went on and won like 5 in a row. Thats why i Think Sebs mistakes in the second half is kind of irrelevant since he was really desperate and didnt really have a chance. Seb was leading the title first half when Ferrari was decent but they where lacking so much pace and consistancy after monza.
And Kimi was really good 2017 and 2018, but People Always belitter him to make seb look worse than he was
@Kino Promoter very true, seb made a few to many mistakes for my liking but someone actually calculated it and Lewis would still have won with over 30 points even if Seb didnt make any mistakes. The pace deficit was just to much for Ferrari to overcome. And i dont think Ferrari was better at any point in that season. Difference from 2017 where they where consistantly slower than merc the entire season, In 2018 they where closer up till monza and just fell off a Cliff
If only Vettel and Hamilton were in the same team, ey. Something the sport owes us for sure.
That season was great but also heartbreaking. I personally believe it was Vettel's best ever season due to the fact that he somehow kept the title alive up until Singapore in a car, which as you've concluded, just wasn't quite as good overall as the Mercedes. Ontop of this, whether it be tangling with the Redbulls, Bottas, or any number of issues, it always felt as though Vettel was having to fight harder for the points he was getting than Hamilton did.
The way in which it ended, with a start-line crash, followed by two mechanical issues in the following two races was absolutely brutal... however by that point in the season the Ferrari was clearly second best.
After 2017 the rest is downhill. The 2018 car was designed to try to prevent Mercedes dominating in qualifying as they had done in 2017, and the result of this was a slipperier car that was ultimately very unstable and was the polar opposite of what you would call confidence inspiring.
2017 could have been one of the greatest championship wins as had Vettel pulled it off then it would have been against all the odds.
Ben Benboi Usually when two of the best drivers are on the same team, the team gets splitmin two halves like with Senna and Prost
vettel isn't in Hamiltons league if you want the two top drivers in the same team it did happen in 2007 although that's now awhile ago
@@ianvincent5069 Yes he is. Only somebody with the depth-perception of an antelope would say otherwise.
@@ianvincent5069 He is, arguably at their very beast, Vettel is probably even better. Lewis is yet to do what Vettel did in 2011 and 2013... And in both those years, Vettel had an equal(Rosberg) or better(Bottas) teammate than Lewis and the field was more competitive in comparison to 2014-2015-2016 and now 2020 where Mercedes cars are literally almost 1 second ahead of the competition in qualifying in almost every single circuit. The most dominant Red Bull, 2011, was at best just half a second faster, which was still a considerable margin but not anywhere near 1 second...
@@grimm6jack let me know when he wins a championship without traction control
Ultimately Vettel's driving aggression led to his success in Red Bull and his failures in Ferrari
100! much like Mansell. When he's got the precise car under him, get out of the way bc he's passing you. if not, get out of the way bc he might clip you haha
Couldn’t throw the car in as much as in 2010-13. He always preferred a car that had a strong backend.
@@CYMotorsport the singapore incident who was at fault according to you?i feel more than seb it was max and kimi's
@@yashs1962 it was definitely not Max he had no where to go. He got squeezed by both Ferrari's. Seb messed that one up for himself unfortunately
The Singapore start has another backstory. Seb was told by Ferrari (and so was kimi) to start on second gear. Seb listened to the orders but kimi forgot about it and started on 1st gear. This resulted into kimi having a mega start and vettel getting of poorly. I still wonder to this day what would have happened if kimi started on second gear...
Talking about the Singapore incident, I think that something that wasn't brought up is the fact that Seb had no idea Kimi was there. I do think it's likely he was trying to replicate Fernando's move from 2010. However, had there been someone on Seb's left in 2010, the crash would have probably played out the same way back then as well. In 2017, Kimi had a great start from 3rd. Sebastian couldn't possibly have known that. In his mind, he was just gonna squeeze Max into the wall. It's ultimately a racing incident imo because of that
This guy deserves a tv show
You’re watching it :) the goal hopefully someone green lights more and more as my channel grows. I’d like to take a run a feature length documentary without the bullshit copyright handcuffs. Even just fair application of fair use clauses would be fine
If Nico stayed, the Mercedes points would’ve been split and Seb might’ve had a better chance.
Max Pearce i doubt that.
Nah it would be a 3 way title battle then.
Max Pearce
Doubt it, at the end of 2017 Bottas was only 12 points behind Vettel in the point standings.
With Nico Rosberg it would have ended Mercedes 1-2.
Listen. Hamilton finished 46 points ahead of Vettel. This means that even if Hamilton finished 2nd in 4 races he won that's still only 32 points lost assuming Nico Rosberg wins those 4 races. And considering that Bottas nearly beat Vettel anyway in 2017 this means that Rosberg would have beat Vettel down to 3rd and beat a lot closer to Hamilton than Vettel was.
Even if we make Hamilton finish 3rd in some races then Vettel doesn't win many points while Nico Rosberg wins many more. It still looks like it's a Hamilton vs Rosberg season in the end.
In 2017 Hamilton, Vettel and Bottas all had *13 podiums each* . This means you can just reshuffle the podiums a bit if Nico Rosberg was still in Mercedes in 2017. Between 2nd and 3rd there's just a 3 point difference. Between 1st and 2nd there's a 8 point difference.
Bottas beat Vettel fair and square in Russia in 2017. Bottas also beat Vettel in Austria in 2017. In Abu Dhabi he beat both Vettel and Hamilton to win. Now imagine Nico Rosberg in that 2017 Mercedes. Sorry, this means bad news for Vettel. HE is the one who loses out on this, not wins from it. In Brazil 2017 Vettel won while Bottas was 2nd just 2,7 seconds behind him. With Nico Rosberg there that win might have gone to Mercedes and not Vettel.
Sorry, if Nico stays Vettels chances shrinks even more.
@@jamesshunt5123 I disagree. Rosberg's performances aren't that much better than Bottas. Apart from 2016 where he had a massive reliability advantage against Hamilton, his results against Lewis aren't very different to Bottas.
@@olubola9274 lol 2013 he was 20 points behind Lewis, the closest Bottas has been to Hamilton was in 2017 when he was 3rd
THANK YOU! It can't be said enough that content like this CANNOT be found anywhere else. We know the stories are there, and presenting them this way is exactly the treatment they deserve. Well done everyone involved!
As a new f1 fan, your videos give so much insights and perspective on all the seasons that I've missed in the past! Thank you so much! Keep making these season reviews. The best f1 channel out there!
What a video, Vettel was amazing this year
he was honestly pretty damn good
@@CYMotorsport 5 wins, a further 8 podiums (6 of which were 2nds) and beating Bottas in the title. It was a damn good season for Sebastian Vettel.
I feel bad for Seb. 2017 and 2018 were totally within his grasp, and each time Hamilton did exactly what you said: capitalized on vettel's and Ferrari's mistakes. Seb will end his career at the scuderia without bringing back any real glory for them, which is a shame. The wait continues as a Ferrari fan.
Hamilton is so scary to compete against, he’s so incredibly consistent. It’s actually nuts
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@@jackrobinson6602It's so much easier to be consistent when you have such a stable, reliable, and quick car. It was clear that the Mercedes was not only just as quick as the Ferrari, if not more so, but that it was getting better. Mercedes R&D was substantially better than Ferrari's, and Vettel saw that, hence he started to make more risks to close the gap.
Awesome, absolutely awesome, the first video I had watched of yours was analysis on the Japenese GP/Leclerc/Ferrari story and these types of long dedicated documentaries have always been my favorite type of vids on your channel man, like the 2010 and 2012 season reviews. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this stuff, I know this video was in the works for a long time, and it was totally worth the wait.
easily one of the best f1 youtubers out here. i come back to your videos all time time. been missing you during your hiatus.
Beautiful work, my man. It was a joy watching your video. Thank you!
thank you for joining!
Reaction time 0.201 which is 201ms. The average human can react to a visual stimulus in 250ms. People in gaming can achieve closer to 180-190ms. So F1 drivers can definitely react in 200ms
Yeah I was about to say... professional sprinting has a max reaction time of 100ms. Anything faster than that is humanly not possible, so Bottas likely could have just had a great reaction.
You've got a real talent. I have been waiting for you to come out with a new video. I know it's probably a ton of work putting things like this together but I always enjoy them. Keep at it man, looking forward to watching more
Really interesting video, thanks for making it! Love how you included other CZcamsrs as well in this great project.
28:15 you swapped Senna with Hamilton
nailed it! good eye.
28:13 Wow! Hamilton is so good he's 1st and 3rd place!
OK, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that!
Love your videos. Especially as a new fan who only started watching last year. It’s nice to get some content on the history of F1 done amazingly well.
Such an amazing video. So much dedication, perfectly cutted, perfect feeling and amazing research. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
It's a great and long video Nick. Love it. I can't imaging how many hours went in to it 🤔. Solide work again, I thank you 💪👊
at the end of the day it's really fun making things for people who care. it's just that simple. without you all I don't exist as a content creator. so thanks for the support
That's some fantastic work brother! kudos! Solid analysis and production!
Seb gets lot of slack for his mistakes but doesn't get the appreciation he deserves. And what do you think about the Ferrari not even offering a contract to seb for 2021?
The quality of these documentaries are literally incredible. Had me watching all of it! Also will you be doing any regular videos on the 2020 season, or only when something big happen this year?
These videos are criminally underreated. I'm still new to the sport as '21 was my first full season watching and these docs are exactly what I was looking for. Great stuff
Simple. SF-70 is slower over the whole year.
more or less haha but I had to prove it. people don't accept that bc of so much of vettel's early success. but merc is SOOOO good at upgrade plans
Yeah. But there not hilarious off the pace like they were in 2016. They were more or less there.
In quali mercedes was faster but in the races it was another story most of the time. Seb also led the championship for most of the races which suggest that the SF70 was more than capable. Ultimately if Vettel had the same faultless season that Lewis had, he would have most likely won the title. 2018 was even worse for Vettel tho.
@@ksfreestylers1146 Vettel didn't lose the title alone mate, no one wins or loses anything alone in F1, he lost because of his fault and the team as well, the same goes for Lewis, he's a fantastic driver who has overall the best car and the best team, we rarely see Mercedes fucking their drivers race with shitty strategies, for Seb, on the other hand, we saw it happen many times, you need everything to work for you in order to become a World champion, it isn't as simple as who's good and who isn't.
@@CYMotorsport Tyre management has been the problem since 2010 and I think it's not been solved until Belgium 2018.
Disregarding relative engineering philosophies, or the fact that Mercedes currently have a national treasure of a driver in Lewis, I think a major contributory factor to both Mercedes dominance and Ferrari's woes has been their management. Toto runs a very tight ship and has done for years, the Mercedes team operates almost like the Borg Collective. Meanwhile, Ferrari has been a soap opera. If the reds want to ever beat the silvers, they need to get their team to be the same kind of well-oiled machine that Mercedes is.
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IT'S HERE!!! man finally able to watch this after waiting for quite a while 😂. Anyway, once again a brilliant documentary and deep dive to another interesting F1 season (the racing isn't that good but definitely a lot of interesting stories to tackle on). And gotta give you credit with the amount of work and time you put in this one. If I was in your position working for months on this, it would have broke me 😂. So once again, brilliant job! Oh, and I can't wait for that 2003 review 😁
Hey Man, Love your videos! So happy I found them on CZcams, your work is absolute quality.. Your Research and information is greatly recieved and appreciated. Please dont stop, you're a legend!
Please do one for 2018 as well, btw awesome video once again
that season would be A LOT easier haha
Tbh, I mostly watched the 2017 season through highlights so this was a big eye opener for me. This made me realize that this season influenced Ferrari's car design doctrine for 2018 onwards. Less downforce (and drag) and more power and straight line speed which is totally not Seb's style which in turn made things worse.
This also was the season Merc decided to change their philosophy. Since 2018, Merc focused more on the cornering ability of their car over outright straight-line speed. 2019 season clearly exemplifies this. Considering how good the Merc engine is still gives them advantage over most rivals, but in 2018 and 2019 (mainly 2nd half), Ferrari had the faster car in a straight. In 2020, Merc however have finally perfected the formula, with their car being dominant on both circuit types.
Huge fan of your craft man! The detail that goes into it and the time that you put into it is shown! Keep up the good work, huge fan of these kind of videos.
Why are you just on CZcams? You've done great video's but this one is above and beyond what you've done in the past. I can't wait to see what you do when you have an entire production crew at your disposal. Well done man, very informative, great watch, and had time to laugh at crashgate (that was a great callback btw). Keep up the good work sir!
Thats the season when i truly gained th outmost respect for Seb . I think in a Merc he would have won the champ just because he dragged them and he had to fight not only Hamilton but Bottas , Verstappen , Ricciardo and even Kimi many times . Je gained those extra tenths over by pushing which maybe made him mistakepro and the fail attempt of Ferrari to make an environment around Seb and favouring him might have cost them 17 18 titles and a shot at the 19 title ...
Vettel in NO scenario would win the 2019 title
@@xj_220 The car was fast , and if the development at the end of 18 was better the car would have been on par with the Merc at the start . Failed development at the end of 18 it's what spiraled Ferrari into oblivion . Cracks in the bases of the team . Anyway i believe if the stars had alliened Vettel was in with a shot . But the engine was illegal so it doesn't really matter that much
Looking back on 2017 and 2018 hurts my soul
Vettel should never have realistically had any chance, but he managed to bring the second best car into legitimate title contention
That fact is always lost in history, people automatically go to "Ferrari had the best car" to justify Seb running Lewis close, no one is willing to admit that for large parts of those two seasons, Seb was simply the better driver in an inferior car :(
I would agree with nearly
All of that. Hamilton specially in the back half was almost perfect which didn’t help Seb especially when the w08 developed into the best car hands down
Seb being the better driver 🤣 🤣 what a crying seb fanboy. Which number two ferrari driver scored more points in second half of 2018?
@@AZBCDEE yeah even I think Rosberg is the better driver in Mercedes.
Just like fernando in 2012. Some things come back to you.
@@fidjdbdjficbfk7944 same 2014 for Nico.
I was going to ask why the video is not online yet, and yet it is been published. Nice work as always. keep going bro
Thanks for another great video Nick. Can't wait for this weekend.
For me this is where Vettel's mistakes started. After Monaco Ferrari started making more and more errors, in race strategy, car design, ect. While at the same time the pressure is increasing on them to deliver a championship. The Italian press are brutal!
These increasing mistakes from the team put more pressure on Seb to not make any. Then when he makes one mistake it starts to slowly snowball. The Baku incident under the safety car, I think, showed how much pressure Seb was under at that point. Mercedes (particularly Lewis) has dominated the Ferrari pace wise in qually. Seb was feeling it and it boiled over.
I think on one side it did put more pressure on Seb after that, but more importantly it gave Lewis the impression that he had the upper hand which subsequently gave him more confidence, and a more confident Lewis is almost unstoppable. I think what I'm trying to say is the focus was more on how this effected Seb, whereas I believe it had more of a positive impact on Lewis than a negative one on Sebastian.
While I think Ferrari's problems started before Baku, I think that's where it all started to go wrong for Seb. Every mistake he makes from then on is put under the spotlight. Then with the arrival of Charles in 2019 that pressure and scrutiny got even worse for him. Running into the back of Max at Silverstone, the coming together at Brazil, and the unforced error at Germany in the wet (Not 100% if that was 18 or 19 though??)
Just to be clear, I'm not excusing Seb. He continuously puts himself into low percentage situations. At this point in his career he should know better. Lewis would make a series of low percentage moves in the earlier stages of his F1 life, but it's looked past because of his age and genuine pace. How many of those kind of mistakes does Lewis make now?
That all said, Seb's "When did I do dangerous driving" comment was stupid. As was totally avoiding talking about it. It was such a odd thing to do that I think a grid drop would have been a more fitting punishment.
Also very glad you mentioned how good Lewis is in the wet. Not just the best on the current grid (incidentally I've noticed that LeClerk doesn't do well in the wet) but one of the all time greats. Would have been amazing to see Schumacher, Senna, and Hamilton go head to head in a wet race!
Easier to not make mistakes when you have the best car by a mile and 95% of your wins in Mercedes are from pole position or front-row in general. Lewis up until 2013 did a lot of mistakes... From 2007 to 2013... That's 7 years of F1... Usually drivers get past their inexperience (in the car, not in the races) by their 2nd season, these are guys that have been racing since they were kids. In 7 year Lewis did a lot of mistakes. In 2011 alone he was almost at the level of Maldonado.
Why was that? Not inexperience... But pressure, and the fact that his car was not the ABSOLUTE best and he had to fight for it. Unlike now where he comfortably does a follow the leader race and wins with ease also against a mediocre teammate, and in a car that's more reliable than some road cars...
@@grimm6jack well this aged well
@@dmitri546 Indeed...
Loved the video and the data driven analysis in the final part. I very much agree with the assessment here: Hamilton maximized every opportunity and capitalized on every situation. Showed great maturity. Hamilton won the title, Vettel did not throw it away. In the grand scheme of things, Vettel did not make that many mistakes. They were just shocking in their rookie nature.
This is amazing dude! And I’m only 10min in! Awesome work👌🏻
Outstanding breakdown and overall production. This is may be my favorite video from you yet.
so glad to hear! it was a fun one!
I love the high rev sound. They should bring that back. Something recognizable like that should still be a part of the personality what a F1 car looks like and, in this case, what it should sound like
That said
I would like to say that if Bottas was in a different team, appart from Hamilton but in a good team i think the past few years would be a bit more exciting
Yeah when Nico left the f1 world lost a lot we just couldn’t fully appreciate it
I don't think Sebastian bottled it. I think the team cost him the title due to the unreliability and some questionable strategy in some of Bottas' wins. To say that Seb was at fault and deserved a penalty for Singapore for is harsh. I don't know where you draw the line as to how much you can squeeze, especially given how unlikely it was that Seb could see Kimi and Max
when you give drivers no out, that's a penalty. if they dont have a chance to yield. and you used the word squeeze. that's applying pressure inherently. it's YOUR job as the aggressor to know how much you can. I agree seb couldn't have known. but it doesn't make it any better. and bc he got away like shit. you can't do that just bc you have track position. by the definition in the sporting regulations, that's blocking. just bc something is an accident doesn't mean it's not a penalty, IMO. I go back to 2010 for this as well. if they touched, it should be a penalty. they happened to not, but it's still reckless
WONDERFUL WONDERFUL WONDERFUL!!! This is just another great piece of content you give us. Looking forward to seeing your content come the season start in a few days time! Can’t wait for FP1 tomorrow morning!
Such a well made video!! you have a new subscriber down here in Zambia 🇿🇲, I look forward to seeing more videos like this
100% best f1 CZcamsr
This is basically a 20 min video stretched over an hour! And I love it 💪 great deep dive taking in all factors!
Personally I think 2017 was Mercedes year and Ferrari put up a good fight. 2018 However I think Ferrari blew that year! Think 2018 Germany onwards..
Great Vid, can’t wait for 2003, great season to cover!
I wish haha every good story needs context. its a tough sell. plus I wanted to include as much race footage as possible without being sued haha which requires further analysis/commentary
Great channel with great content, keep it up man!! Love the deep dive videos
I know I’ve said it a few time on your videos but they really are the best F1 vids on CZcams... especially these deep dives! Cheers
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"Only 3 drivers in F1 history have ever s ored oint in
a h a e of a ham ionshi
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I’ve been waiting for a cranky video now my weekend can begin in peace 😭❤️❤️
Edit: I just clocked all those bottles of Rich Energy behind CrankyYankee 😂😂😂
no rest for the weary over here. I'll finally be able to make content without this beast over my head haha glad I could send you off in style!
CrankyYankeeF1 I just finished the vide,and as always I’m extremely impressed,proper and unbiased analysis,stunning visuals as well....qualify as always. Keep it up mate 🔥✨
Did somebody say he’sssss baaaack? Great comeback video, Nick and awesome collab with the boys. You’re definitely stepping it up with the quality and content. Oh and btw, you think you sly sneaking that #6 diecast in. It almost worked. Didn’t see it till late in vid. Nice touch!
Brilliant production and in-depth analysis. A few bits you were a bit fast for me but that's what the pause button was made for. Brilliant job well done
48:00 I don't understand the Statistics shown there. Can anyone explain to me what is ment by Sebs 88% or by Hamiltons 101% in 2016?
Jan Malte Meyer shown are all drivers who finished second in the championship. The percentage is the ratio of points they actually got compared to what they would’ve got had they finished second in every race. For example, in 2016 when Hamilton came second in the championship, he had 380 points, which was 101% of the 378 points he would’ve had for finishing second in all 21 races. Or in 2017, Vettel finished second with 317 points, which was 88% of the 360 points he would’ve had for finishing second in all 20 races that season.
i miss hearing seb this happy :(
Dude, you deserve more recognition for your work. Your analysis is second to none.
Wonderful video, very high production. Thanks for sharing :).
Hopefully Seb can win 1 more championship in his career
Doubt it'll happen but I hope it happens, that way he can retire on top
TBH idc if he does, most driver's consider one championship as the biggest sucess in their life, he won four consecutively,he has already proved everything he needed to
@@sumitsudeep422 You are right, but it would be really cool if he won another one
maybe at Aston!
@@CYMotorsport Yeah I would love him to go to Aston and win a Championship there
Great video
But someone explain the stat at 48:08 and 49:21
Didn't quiet understand it
yeah thats fair. I didn't explain in this one bc i have so many times and know there's ppl new to my channel. if anyone else is in this boat, I touch on it here at the 2:41 mark: czcams.com/video/vAWSErhDR58/video.html
I'm glad you put the effort into this will researched presentation.
You are truly an asset to is F1 fans.
The cameos by some of my favourite F1 presenters was a really nice touch.
Nick, i learn so much from your deep dives, I often re-watch to absorb more. All your efforts are indeed appreciated. Diving into the data! :D
Absolute class act of a documentary once again, embarrassing pretty much every official piece of content that F1 puts out. Brilliant.
Thanks for saying that Julian glad you enjoyed it!
Yeahhhhhhh finalllyyyyy!!!
Was waiting for a week!
thanks for the patience friend :)
Incredible video - the depth of the research & analysis is excellent and the production quality has gone up as well. Dude, you are one of the best F1 channels in all of media and I sincerely think your analysis is second to none - including main stream media - Sky, F1 Official and all other YT channels. No one else is producing content at this depth (that I have seen) and nobody is presenting the statistics in quite such a palletable way - Okay maybe ChainBearF1 is on par here lol
New F1 fan here and using this amazing playlist to get a better start, after being introduced to the motorsport world through Drive to Survive series. Your work is incredible, and I am really being able to understand some things that websites or even the show doesn't explain. I just wish it had English subtitles… As a non-English speaker, some things are hard to understand just from listening and God knows how CZcams automatic subtitles s*ck. But still, thank you so much for these videos!! I hope that I can still get the end of this season, hopefully with a better understanding of how the races work
Whats the name of the music at around 2:30?
redshift by Michael Vignola. banger. I'll post the setlist here shortly!
I just hope seb wins a title, but the thing is i dont have much hope, its like if 2017 was his last chance, guess we have to wait and see what will happen in the 2020 season.
Nope it’s Lewis
It'll be leclerc before seb but I think ferrari can win the constructors
@@louisbeerreviews8964 No, it'll be Max hopefully, enough of Lewis.
CrankyYankeeF1 Vettel will realise it’s his last chance to win with ferrari and I think that will bring out the 2013 seb
@@CYMotorsport took crazy 2020 literally only two weeks for me to say:
"That didn't age well"
I always come back to your videos because they are all amazing quality. You have a lovely voice for narration.
Ridiculously high quality video. Would love to see one of these looking at other years, particularly 2021
This was such a good season! Sebastian was the top driver that year in my mind. He didn't have the mental strength of Hamilton, but he was almost single-handedly carrying Ferrari on his back. You couldn't help but feel happy for Sebastian every time he won and you could hear his jubilation over the radio. Unfortunately, Sebastian made one mistake over the season (Singapore) and people now blame him for losing the championship when more of the blame should go to the Ferrari team in my opinion. Mercedes as a team was (and is) working so well that year that they could still get good points from almost every race. Ferrari let Sebastian down in Malaysia and Japan at that cost Seb the title. Such a shame as it would have been a great story for Sebastian to win the title that year. I think that was the last year he was driving at his peak performance.
I think another thing that you didn't mention in this video was the similarity between the Red Bull and the Ferrari. Essentially, the Red Bull (while being the third best car) was more similar to the Ferrari than to the Mercedes. Therefore, at tracks where Ferrari had an edge (like Malaysia or Singapore) the Red Bull came out as the second best car rather than the Mercedes. While this was sometimes good for Ferrari (such as in Monaco where Mercedes was shut out from the podium) it also worked against them because it presented a challenge in the race (such as in Singapore). This is in contrast to Mercedes who had weekends of complete dominance where they were practically unchallenged (such as Monza). I think if you look at this approach, Red Bull "stole" more points off of Ferrari than off of Mercedes over the course of the season.
My takeaway, Hamilton and Merc absolutely stole both titles especially come after the break and Bottas was and is phenomenal seeing as how he's often overlooked. Amazing video as usual. Keep it up.
Wow!!!!!!!...
Completely blown away by the quality of your work...
The information the presentation and cameos from other content creators ( who I already subscribed too )
The graphics and yes I noticed and appreciated the little sprinkle effects you put on the couple of the still pics..
And even a mini quiz!!!!.. wow
Consistently outstanding work!
Those little bastards were SO expensive haha I’m still blown away by programs so simply and subtle can cost so much ahah but when uploaded they didn’t warp at all. I absolutely love them so I’m glad you noticed them bc I was t sure if it was a wise investment. Much more to come!
@@CYMotorsport looool I bet....
But it was all definitely worth it!!!...
Serious respect for this it is top quality stuff, thanks and I hope you keep going
This video is the first time I've seen an actual can of Rich Energy in the wild.
Hahaha it’s a novelty. Need to stock up hahah
Man, Bottas is so unlucky coming into F1 literally right in the middle of Hamilton's prime lol. I'm half Finnish so I'd love to see Valtteri win at least one championship. And he's good... he could do it, especially now that he seems a lot more confident. But he's gotta beat Hamilton first.... and that's not super easy to do.
Unfortunately he’s lost his shot this year. Imagine valtteri winning 5 straight and STILL nearly losing. That’s what Nico had to do. Which sounds near impossible today haha
@@CYMotorsport @CrankyYankeeF1 Tbh, this season is gonna come with an asterisk anyway, my man Val don’t want that. Getting your first trophy that way is just asking for a curse, and he’s had enough of those already.
But seriously! HAM is just such a complete driver, he's _all but_ unbeatable, and looks to be for the foreseeable future. He looks like he could drive for another 10 years and still win.
I kinda wonder if BOT lacks the killer instinct to be a repeat champion… seems to be a theme for Finns. He races exactly the way I [try to] in sim racing. Always smooth, erring on the side of patience and caution, trying to race people how you want to be raced. I think F1 requires a bit more cutthroat aggression… maybe he’ll find a good balance.
All I can say is I hope to see many more (FULL) seasons with those two battling, and some others in the mix like VER and LEC and ALB and RIC (and ALO too again?!) and what the hell just get everybody in there!
Love your videos bro, keep up the good work.
Awesome video mate! Thoroughly enjoyed!
glad you did :)
This video is just depressing.... best looking modern ferrari imo
hahah lucky I cut out the 2018 bit
Go watch FLOZ’s video on the 2017 season. It’s a masterpiece
Flozs is good, but nothing you cant gather from just watchung the season back, this...this is just a masterpiece.
This was a very insightful and respectful review. Looking forward to more of your content .!
This is the 1st CZcams channel that makes me actually wanna pay for this incredible content!
Really THANK YOU so much!!!
And people forget that Hamilton didn’t alway walk through their whole 8 years domination. The only year I would say they walked it was during Covid in 2020. Every other year Mercedes and Hamilton had competition. Then there’s Sergio 💀🤡
It actually got uploaded
i'm just as surprised as you that it's sticking haha
That was surprisingly enjoyable, informative and to-the-point video. Great effort.