The Dark Side of Vtubers
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- A video about the dark side of the Vtuber phenomenon. Join me as we look at the dark truth behind how and why Vtubers, or virtual CZcamsrs, have reached their high level of popularity.
Music
Call of Silence (Eye-Water) by Hiroyuki Sawano
1812 Overture by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
From Past To Present by Jeremy Soule
We Became Strangers by TYMELAPSE
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Timecodes
0:00 Intro
0:52 Setting the stage & Parasocial Relationships
2:16 The Rise of Vtubers
4:30 E-Girls
5:47 The Dark Reasons Vtubers Are Popular
11:34 The Vtuber Degeneracy Problem
13:50 Other Problems With Vtubers
17:08 Conclusion
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Hololive
Vshojo
Gawr Gura
Mori Calliope
Ninomae Ina'nis
Watson Amelia
Takanashi Kiara
Inugami Korone
Shirakami Fubuki
Ookami Mio
Nekomata Okayu
Kiryu Coco
/vt/
Parasocial relationships
Vtubers
Virtual Streamers
Video Essay - Zábava
Simps be ragin. Yes, she has a boyfriend. No, she's not waiting for you. Glad I could help.
She fucks her boyfriend every night but those stupid simps never know
Bravo man. You speak facts.
Simp: *I'M A TIER 3 SUB TO HER TWITCH*
Me: She not gonna f*ck you bro.
I watch vtubers. But I agree. They are becoming more sexual
@@immortalwarrior2695 stop
The fact this channel is not only demonized but hidden makes it feel like we are a dying race, all right who wants to go found a town in the mountains with me.
Jesus Christ is literally coming back this year or the next.
@@AlexanderTheFarmer Stop worshipping idols and dead people.
@@justice8718wherher that is true or not then either way I think this whole founding a town thing is a cool idea. Let’s look into this.
@@justice8718 Christians will face persecution before the second coming. But yeah, it's within the next 10 years.
(And very likely: Donald Trump is the antichrist, Elon Musk is the false prophet. [ X MARKS the spot ] )
Justice, you're literally the problem. People like you who are convinced, like all other Christians for the last 2000 years, that Jesus is JUST ABOUT to come back and fix it all. It's such a pathetic cope.
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race...
The sexual revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race...
The Frankfurt school and it's consequences have been disastrous for white people
@@johnpauldalton3103only in Western Europe, North America & India
@@arushreddi5419 it's worldwide, with the exception of very poor/unmaterialistic societies/parts of societies that has few internet use and exposure to this, like rural population, tribes, etc.
I like this video, you strike a very good balance of addressing the not so innocent origins of this directly and straight to the point while also clarifying that not everyone who participates in this trend is out to exploit the lonely and emotionally damaged. For some, its just a way to stream without the pressure of showing their face, and I'm aware not all are like this.
Overall, this is a very good criticism of the VTubing industry and I think more people should see it. Good job Pax.
we can see the animation one man brings lots of girls around him as a big social problem in the girls.
But don't see the reverse thing in 1 Vtuber(female) around by many boys social problems.
this video is extremely biased though like most youtubers who make it on vtubers, completely ignoring the original orgins of vtubers (which started on 4chan, with people like eliene etc, making ebola chan memes)
and vtubers never originally were streamers, they were literal youtubers like the original kizunai ai. and did not have parasocial relationships with anyone
@@NeostormXLMAXeveryone's biased, people just don't like it when someone's bias doesn't align with their own.
16:52 If something is free, you are the product
*looks at Costco free sample in hand*
If something is free, then it is mine to gain... Such is the political war.
if i vote for free, am i the product of politicians?
@@ninjagaro. tell them your price next time
**takes a walk in the forest for free**
**drinks water for free**
**has fun with a friend for free**
**exercises for free**
**looks at the stars for free**
the list goes on. you get my point.
Watching vtubers is fine if you want to get some laughs and entertain yourself but I feel like people who watch them constantly and have become obsessed with vtubers isn't healthy. I understand a lot of people need interaction but sometimes we need to take some small breaks from media and take the time for yourself too
I fully agree.
I don't watch vtubers as much anymore but when I did actively watch it I mostly watched funny clips and memes, mostly Hololive. And talked about them with friends.
Obviously being overly obsessed over anything is unhealthy.
I don't care for V-tubers. I want to guard my heart from forming any sort of parasocial attachments, even involuntary ones. They are a terrible and insidious trap.
lol the graph of V-tuber growth was hillarious when Gura suddenoly popped up and crushed everyone else within a very short amount of time.
Gura was like the Assyrians from the Bible. Coming out of nowhere and utterly crushing the fuck out of the competition.
Thing is, most of these superchats gets ignored, yet they still send their hard earned money just so they can get some attention. I actually feel for these people because society makes fun of them and never tries to actually help improve them.
One thing I hate the most is when vtubers act quirky. That happens when they go mainstream.
That happens because if you act like a, 'Debbie-Downer,' you're not going to be very entertaining.
It might irk you, but that's how people lose viewers. By being as lively as a frozen log.
@@ThePinkLamia there's difference between being lively and being quirky.
If you like quirky vtubers, then that's awesome.
But don't they all act quirky? :P Lol
They have superchat streams where they turn off superchats and read past ones all stream. That way they don't get bullied all stream with superchats to read and can actually make content.
@@lukeshioshio Vtubers are for kids. Grown men don't watch vtubers. Kids watch them after school.
Japan did a recent statistic where 1 in 4 women aged 45-50 were childless.
damn that's sad
I find that unlikely.
@@ArilandoArilando You're right, I made a mistake. It is 27% of women, not 25%. thx for saying that!
Japan has serious birth rates issues
@@11MAXI I'm not going to blame all of that on anime and vtubers but it makes it worse than it needs to be for a developed country. There is no solution at that point. I just laugh at how fast Japan is shrinking.
I don't think vtuber addiction, porn addiction, game addiction, or any addiction in general comes from what we find entertaining. It comes from ourselves when we can't control the addiction
This video is like a parent saying that CZcams is bad just because they can't control their child. Like bruh, not only that's irresponsible, that's just fucking stupid on how you blaming the entertainment and not yourself. It's childish and stupid. You're the one who destroyed your life and didn't do anything to fix it. Why are you blaming things that you can't control?😂.
You're a grown ass man, like come on bruh🤣
@@_mass_477 exactly this
ok losers
@@GuiltyNoticer Get a life
Yeah but he’s also saying in this video is that these girls are exploiting off adults who can’t control their addiction. So your right that’s it’s not their fault they are still to blame.
My Lord how have we fallen so low
Even as a vtuber enjoyer, I agree with your analysis on how the degradation of social values beyond fleeting pleasure is related to the vtuber craze. I feel like there's a lot of coping when it comes to topics like this, coomers and NEETs are desperate to protect their bubble of diminishing pleasures.
getting a nonce feel from your avatar
Saying this while having an anime avatar hmmmmm
Stop watching vtubers degenerate
@@bigbossgreek Watching Vtubers is no more degenerate to watching anime
@@Zal0vid then dont watch anime either.
Forgot to mention that the loneliness of young male viewers (that's why most VTubers are attractive and/or cute females) is the business model of VTubers. The "having fun and a good time together" is a pretense to form parasocial relationships to hook viewers who are willing to donate money or buy merch. It's an anime version of the idol business, and it's just as manipulative (emotional manipulation, (artificial) feeling of belonging which let's you temporarily cope with your situation). Probably just a coincidence that VTubers got even more popular in the last 3 years where people were even more isolated than before. No correlation there, nope
It's quite literally predatory, a horrific, depraved corruption of otherwise good and natural inclinations.
I can't stand Vtubers that have this childish squees, the sexual things and other negativity involved that are just horrible/major red flags because these sort of Vtubers are the ones that I avoid watching. I like some Vtubers but only approach with caution especially if I do come across a new one. Thank you and good job on the video!
Only kids watch vtubers
you'd be surprised
@@Mr_Mistah thats a lie lol
Rune yes i think they are weird but i do like vtubers who are just fun and chill.
@@giga____chad It's not
What you said really did Hit me hard I lost too many friends because of this addiction that they can't help I really wish people would stop doing this but that's not possible hopefully your video gets more popular so people can realize the dangers of this idol worship it's sickening to me
People won't help,
You'll just be called an incel and be laughed at for spending money at vtubers
I'm not trying to be rude here. All I want is for these people to get help so that that they can feel happy.
@@ourqueen8423 Vtubers are for socially inept children addicted to the internet.
You kids should stop wasting your life on the internet.
even back then still wit celeb. worship too but everything needs moderation huh?
As much as I love some vtubers, a lot of your criticisms are valid and while obviously those criticisms don't apply to every v tuber, it shows issues with the industry as a whole. Just one little critique, trying to call out female streamers, instead of using the e-girl term implies that the kind of degeneracy you mentioned applies to most female streamers in general, which is very false.
It applies to the majority of successful female streamers
While I can disagree on some and point them out. I would say this is a good analysis and one of the better videos of his
Same here. The only vtuber I like is amashiro/nachoneko because I like her drawing and isn't trying to make everything lewd. I still only watch clips because I don't like streams.
This is about everything I've been thinking about Vtubers in one video. I like Vtubers as entertainment. That's why I started avoiding more and more relationship baiting Vtubers. It's unhealthy, weird and it makes me sad when a Vtuber I otherwise would've liked does those things. Nothing tops traditional streamers for me though.
Watching vtubers in general is unhealthy
@@BulkBogan1920watching vtubers in of itself is no different than watching a regular streamer or an avid youtuber
@jackbluehq6653 That's like saying watching hentai is just the same as watching porn. Vtubers are way more degenerate and interactive.
@@BulkBogan1920 but hentia literally is porn. And vtubers are basically the same as any other streamer or E girl. All be it Vtubers are becoming more popular and impactful than before and the problems vtubers have is already addressed in this video so I'm not going into that whole topic.
All I'm saying is, the only difference between a streamer and a vtuber is obviously how vtubers use software to hide their face with usually an anime avatar.
Other than that, it's the same principle as it always has been.
_>relationships with Vtubers are fake and exploitative_
Wow! It's exactly like the real deal!
I really like the vtuber wave that has bombarded the internet. It shows that parasocial relationships can be used to exploit EVEN the people who would prefer a fictional "waifu" over a real woman through vtubers.
Nobody is safe.
Stay strong brothers.
That's always been the weird part to me though. I like anime, but detest Vtubers. I detest them because they are not the "pure waifu" they are depicted as. It's an obvious farce. They're pretenders.
except male vtubers exist, and vtubers originally started from 4chan as a counter culture after around the 2010s. especially with people like eliene, and even originally kizunai or even nyanners i would have to admit used to make short videos instead of streams. not having any type of parasocial relationship acting like a normal youtuber
You're acting like they're gonna jump out of the screen and stab you to death.
Christ, you people are like people from the 20s seeing animated movies and moving pictures for the first time. They're characters, not demons.
Grow the hell up.
Safety is an illusion.
No, they were already simps.
Came in expecting some drama, left me questioning my whole existence. Damn.
coming in a year late, but do this. Change your existence, change your meaning to life, change how you see the world. Maybe try living life for something more than temporary pleasure.
The Silvervale controversy revealed that beneath the sexy anime girl avatar was a real human female who was feeling very hurt inside. There is a de-humanizing effect placed on people behind masks. One time, a mall Easter bunny got punched by some teenage boys who thought it was funny, but behind that mask was an injured girl.
It is a destructive market for everyone involved.
I think they're hurt for different reasons, like, gee I dunno, past trauma that was perfectly preventable(hot anime girls drawn in artstyles originating from Japan aren't the problem, they're more of a subconscious thing once you get used to seeing them - and all in all prove that pedophilia and other sexual interests aren't a problem either - Since a sexual interest alone isn't necessarily the cause of someone raping someone, its more than likely a lack of education in how to handle oneself properly and/or a lack of self-restraint), like not having enough FUCKING MONEY to get by! Which, lemme tell ya, being a VTuber is QUITE profitable if you make it big!
You heard it here folks! Blame the economy(cause they aren't getting ALL their money from Japan)! Blame capitalism later, I'm still unsure of that one... Will say though, I think its a bit short sighted to think that religion has anything to do with birth rates, and, if anything, I think they have a history of &/or still actively discourage sex &/or any sexually pleasuring activities, via having all men circumsized...
Not gonna lie, circumcision, is objectively, a form of bodily mutilation in the same, but certainly in a more minor(in terms of how much it alters your body) way, than the bodily mutilation that is required to remove ones sex-organs in order to then do the sex-reassignment surgery for trans(meaning 'opposite')*gender*(although they're also now transsexual due to having a different sex organ & overall sex from the one they were born with) people, which, my "lack of not really caring & knowing if there's a god or not", sounds really painful(hopefully they're put to a temporary, but lasting in duration to last the ENTIRE-if not longer than-the duration of the operation), and, well, gender shouldn't have to be so hard to prove, even though, in my contrary opinion, gender is definitely helpful in determining someones sex! Not that we actually need to know someones sex necessarily(will say its anoyying being told off for getting genders wrong though and I wish people were less "this shits obvious dumbass!" about it), although in the male & female sporting events, I think it'd be necessary - as those sorts of things are inherently supposed to discriminate between two groups with the same sex-based body builds I think... And that's a feature of those sporting events, not a problem.
@@land3021 are you okay
@@land3021Jesse what the hell are you talking about
@@land3021I ain't reading allat
Seems like you struck a nerve with this one. The truth hurts, especially if you're on the receiving end of said reality check. Keep it up. Love the content as usual.
ok anime pfp
Me upon the extinction of mankind: "Do you know how little this narrows the line? Honestly, all of humanity could end now, today. And I would feel nothing from their loss of existence. So observing humans is just as social as planetary dismantlement upon a civilization."
Benster?!
Ok, anime pfp
Yep I feel bad for those giving expenses because they to support em but actually the person giving it needs help.
In Ironmouse's defense, she has a rare immunodeficiency disease that prevents her from going outdoors and socializing. She turned to Vtubing because she was lonely herself.
As a Vtuber myself, I was always aware of the underhanded nature of the business and tried my absolute best to avoid GFE/BFE content as much as possible.
Needless to say, this video makes me feel so much better about being an actual entertainment-first streamer. It's a shame that honest entertainment is overshadowed by cutesy uwu girls constantly making sex jokes.
Thank you for speaking out about what goes on in your work environment. Let's hope more people strive to be more like you. Less about sex and degeneracy and more about good content and entertainment.
sorry you are breathing so you are giving them girlfriend vibes already
:)
Sounds like a personal ordeal... Not the solution to the core problem.
You know... Hail to the Governmental Machine... Humans.
=D
@Godd Howard Girlfriend energy/boyfriend energy
13:20 Should add that Nijisanji and indies could be anywhere
I'm not sure they can be called a mixed bag since Niji is so spread out, some of them hardly even know each other, plus there's too many to note
Personally, I like that Vtubers have made a new type of content, and there's rare gems who rarely spew innuendos every 2 minutes + male Vtubers who should be professional comedians.. and I feel after 20 or less years, the degen should die down by then, or humanity as a whole gets its shit together
Now hearing *OK Go* : _This Too Shall Pass_
Coomers are irrationally angry at this video because they know they can't justify their behavior.
Your name is their reaction
"Everyone who doesnt like what i like is a coomer"
Nice way of thinking manchild
@@Fulcrox You will never be a woman
@@vrilgod4176 ok manchild
@@Fulcrox you just used the word 'manchild' you are actually hurt over what he said😂
A bit surface-level on the VTuber points but I agree with some (even though it's obvious for normal males).
But I leave this with one note.
The dark side of vtubers is the same old dark side of today's internet: There are people that joke around serious things, and people that are serious around jokes.
Take that as you will
The vtube thing is cringey and embarrassing. Bunch of shut in anime nerds, pretending to be anime characters for other anime nerds.
Vtubers are for socially inept 14-16 year old kids who watch anime.
@@Mr_Mistah bro why are you in every comment about them being watched by kids and stuff, bro most of them are 15-25+ while most being 18 and up
As someone who doesn't generally watch vtubers, I'd say it's only bad if spend most of your time watching the content itself, become obsessed with it, and not being productive with your life. Such as getting exercise and fresh air, making friends and spending time with them, planning your future, etc.
I say this since the criticisms that Pax uses against the vtubers (mainly escapism) could be applied to other addictive mediums as well such as Video games or television. Anime/Manga also applies to this as it can be a form of escapism; so much so it's common for Anime/Manga to be stereotyped as escapist losers (much like comic book fans and gamers). Hence, I think the age-old practice of enjoying a hobby while taking care of yourself in real life applies to vtuber fans.
The classic "its ok in moderation" response. Do you have any other unique and interesting takes?
@@iroga9764 Do you have anything to offer to prove it's not a correct statement? I don't think you do. I wouldn't be surprised if you have nothing to say to someone who eats like Nikocado Avocado, other than "EAT IN MODERATION".
Try an original rebuttal.
@@iroga9764 All I really said was "don't become obsessed with this and use vtubers as a replacement for emotional attachments and instead be productive with your life." Would mind telling me what's wrong with that statement?
You speak the truth, brother.
you know things are bad when people start saying "its only bad if..." after so many experiences i've noticed that's the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths to justify their addictions that they know deep down is bad for them
Virtual parasites.
You can't call _all_ of them parasites though. That's a little discriminatory if you ask me
I actually considered donating to a vtuber one time just so I could hear her read my name. The worst part was she's one of those 'lewd/sexual' vtubers you talked about.
Thank God I never went through with donating to her in the end. To this day, I have never donated to (and never will donate to) any streamers of any kind. I only just subscribe and watch them for entertainment, use them as background noise, or watch them when I'm about to go to bed.
I'd like to know your thoughts on vtubers like fefe,melody,viebei and nux even though nux isn't like them,he does promote them a bit.you don't have answer if you don't want I just wanna know what you think about it
Also that raccoon girl
@@blizzard1198 never heard of em. I mainly just watch the Hololive vtubers.
@@AutisticTomato26 Well they mostly say lewd stuff all time,wear lewd clothes and 2 of them have an only fans and nux does none of that's it's just he prompts them to some extent,sometimes leaving they're links in the description and he is the same person who talks about simps and those girls are cam girls
@@blizzard1198 didn’t Melody throw Nux under the bus?
I actually laughed out loud when the guy smashes his laptop
11:35 this section of the video really makes me happy to see that others have the same problem with these little sins against god
And yet the true problems were designed by Politicians... They ensured this "problem" became unsolvable.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Keep up the good work, man.
Honestly, your comments are morbidly entertaining.
It has the same energy as an Unfiction character.
Amen to that 🙏✋
Capitalize God's name
To quote a certain chad Scottish priest: "Amen!"
there was a thread i saw once and it said:
if theres something that vtubers has taught me, is that women are the best when their personality is restricted.
and the people know this
Aren't men the same?
The Political War is far better. That machine controls this ordeal.
It's just about being entertaining
Well
1) too much expectations and pressure from parents (education and others)
2) too many norms and rules which makes conversations more and more restricted
3)the extreme rise in social media and technology which results in more and mor people stuck in devices instead of conversing outside
I'm not finding excuses, just telling why so many teens and young adults get into parasocial relationships
All done by design btw. Step 1, create a pandemic, step 2, enforce lockdown laws to isolate the entire population from any human interaction, step 3, distract entire population with a rise in social media and the desperation to connect with other people, and then finally step 4, mass formation psychosis, which is extremely easy to attain once the conditions for steps 1-3 are met. Ignorance truly is bliss for those that refuse to use their own free will to see things as they are during this era we live in.
Add in a virus that forces people to stay home and quarantine and you get an unbelievable amount of weirdness.
But these kids still have better things to do than waste their life on the internet.
I would add 4)loneliness;when someone don't know what to do they do questionable thinks
-jozi
It's a fair warning in either direction. The more people that flock to V-Tubers, the worse this reality becomes and vice versa. At the surface that sounds normal but when you observe it personally, it's a trap. All of this is a consequence of ignoring reality and while I want to leave it at that, there is no one size fits all map for getting out of it. This is why you still see people flocking to idols, becoming idols, creating new ones...There isn't anything inherently bad about that but this is a world currently engaged in some kind of global race to the bottom. This doesn't end well.
The amount of nsfw content that involes voice actors voicing over nsfw comics, animations, and images is pretty crazy abd its all for money or just for fun but seriously I dont want this to go to everywhere I just want the world to be isolated at this point but thankfully in the future all these people who are apart of this will get old and no longer do this which makes me happy
Both reality and fantasy are flawed, period.
@@kenrichgumanid9235 exactly
@@kenrichgumanid9235 simply put..
its pretty hillarious how vtuber viewers disliked this video
It sure sounds like a classic case of “hos mad.
Another thing to note is if you are a person who does not watch very much tv, movies, don't listen to modern music, and do not have social media, talking to many people in person often becomes more difficult, as these are often the main topics most other people want to talk about.
Like they treat you like you are weird "oh how come you don't watch tv shows and movies what else you do with your free time"
It’s not wrong if you don’t do that. That’s just the mainstream and it is not something everyone must enjoy. However, when you have difficulties in talking to everyone in person like that, it does not mean you are stupid enough to be made fun of or being disrespected of.
16:11 hey uh, if you could get me some more info on that single mother vtuber, actually
I did not know about this. I am thankful that I'm completely out of it when it comes to what's popular or what's going on these days.
As a (former) vtuber viewer I think you were more than fair, you addressed a lot of issues I had with vtubers, specifically some of the gross hyper-sexualization. Overall your video was pretty well researched, and genuinely seemed to look at what caused their rise. I jumped into the ship around COVID when it first started, I also left when life started going back to normal, and as I got a little sick of vtubers in general.
Anywho, good vid!
Do you follow the LORD and the son, Jesus Christ?
I once got my friend blocked by a vtuber. At first I felt bad...but now I don't! Thanks Pax!
Intellectual progress will never be used for the greater good if it is not guided by a moral compass - Calvin Coolidge 1925.
Capitalism without morality ends in societal collapse, it just takes longer than socialist countries. A mixture of both will not work either without religion at the forefront.
Me on my way to capitalise on the insecurities and loneliness of weak degenerate men 🗣️
Good video pax. However, I do have a critique. If you’re going to put up immodest imagery like that, it really needs to be censored. You wouldn’t want one of your videos to incite someone to lust the way these Vtubers do so intentionally.
I think a little bit of sexiness is okay. I at one point chose to not jack off or consume anything sexual because I felt like a slave to my lust. Turns out these desires are completely natural and ignoring them doesn't help you either. After about two weeks I started having libido again and I couldn't focus as well as I normally would. I work out on a daily basis, I'm succeeding in my work life, but my ability to have swagger while hanging out with friends was definitely taking a hit because I was thinking about sex every few minutes. Post nut clarity is very real. The issue is the same as the porn addiction epidemic. And like any addiction the delusion of "I can quit whenever I want" is a very really thing too. And addiction is the fault of the addicted 90% of the time.
I'm not saying you're wrong but the fact is that if people can't afford to donate money to someone then they shouldn't.
Reject Degeneracy Brothers and Sisters ✝
Man, you truly speak for my soul. Keep on the good work. Love and blessings to you.
This video resonates my most point why in the middle on Vtubers in generals for a while especially when business organizations involved. Yeah they are cute and talented and these should be appreciated but when it draws the line of exploitation is no good. Just like the dark side of self improvement courses, one crosses a line to exploit their audience situation just to keep them hook on to their streams and generate revenue. Sad to know one of former talent of Cover is alleged to practice such exploitation *ehem* Rushia. We have no such cure to extreme cases of simping but providing awareness can dissuade them from falling into this trap.
15:42, I know her, it's Ayunda Risu from Hololive ID, and to my understanding, since i don't watch vtubers much, she's referring to nuts, like i mean litteral nuts.
Nice vids man. We need more wisdom content like this in our society
Can we get a George Floyd v tuber
That be hilarious
Oh please someone make this happen.
I thought this already exists, just search for the name and gaming
there are several channels called George Floyd Gaming
they usually get nuked fast tho
@@sigmamaleaffirmationhypnob7340 that's different though. We want an animated v-tuber Floyd waifu (no homo)
I did notice this trend shifting. I have many stream friends on twitch who are Vtubers too and they genuinely just want to have fun and are shy or have insecurity reason which I respect. In fact, it can be more entertaining! Sadly, as you said, for bigger Vtubers some are crossing the line to bring those incriminating lines/ideas that attracts those lonely audience... As if they are all under their Genjutsu (illusion) >.< Thank you for bringing these awareness ^_^
Edit: I do think that even some greater Vtubers do genuinely not like doing these tactics, perhaps that the brand they are associated with are telling them to do it. We never know >.
I do watch vtubers (and actually do like them I guess??? but I don't give money or some) but man, I'm too busy malding in dota 2 to actually feel any semblance of connection to any of these people...I do feel genuinely sad for people who see vtubers as obsessive, genuine ties of friendships...because cmon now, we all know that it aint how it works.
I just recently argued with someone about vtubers thing I do thing it is sad.
I don't know why but something really struck me when it comes to simping or idolising someone.
I mean it's their time and money, but in the end idk what's more depressing than malding in Dota 2 or spending hundreds to thousand of hours trying to get attention or idolising someone who don't know you even exist.
In general playing Dota as someone whose already 5k hours isn't even healthy but I had my fun.
I also did watch vtubers on the early days then I realized, is this really where I'm heading to?
Then reality struck me harder that these girls never existed in the first place if it wasn't because their fake persona.
@@TheZombie2415 yeah, me with 2k hours of dota 2, still in Guardian rank, all I do is sniff copium everyday xD
@@FBread-xj8qk sometimes higher rank doesn't means better.
It's more of a stress.
I realized it when I hit Divine back then.
I could climb up as Immortal support but what's the point of doing it unless you're going pro.
At some point you just come by to enjoy game and screwing around.
At least it's not as copium as seeing vtuber getting butchered by Schizo and fans.
One must agree that as toxic as Dota community is, Vtuber community is one hell of a drugs tho.
@@TheZombie2415 no, I just suck a lot, HAHHAAH
The anime to trans pipeline is real
Yes and it is great
@@internetaddict1466 get a life
@@AryanAkane "transphobic" how is following human nature and wanting others to so the same a phobia?
Jesters.
@@internetaddict1466I hope you're in a better place nowadays and haven't permanently damaged your body.
That speech at the end really helped me.
I agree completely with you on your statement, that we need to live in reality, I really do!
But on the same time reality is the reason many flee to the virtual world (like watching vtuber streams) to escape it.
Their live is often depressing maybe even hellish depending on the cicumstances.
Such people don't want to be anywere else, I know people like them and I would count myself to them as well. They are suffering and found an improvement to their lives through such medium's like vtuber (again). It's not like most of them aren't aware that this cannot replace a fullfilled heart - in fact they do - but they simply don't care.
After all from their point of view, this (vtuber) is 100x better than what they have in their reality.
It gives them a little sliver of meaning in live, wich otherwise wouldn't be present.
I don't think many if anyone will read this here (Video is 5+ month old after all) but if you do, thx for taking your time and have a nice day/evening or whatever timezone you're in.
If your coping mechanism is watching vtubers you are wortthless and you should just endnur miserable and pathetic looser life
ya, the interest in V-tubers is a symptom of a bigger problem then a problem itself. Also some of the examples he shows is not making a good point, as the group vshojo is literally meant to be degenerate, with Iron Mouse being a succubus, and their flagship V-Tuber Project Melody making porn before vshojo was a thing. It's the point of theirs channels, and their viewers know it.
No, the real problem with V-Tubers is that their is so much money flowing into it, Lazy Cheep people are rushing in to get their pay out. Like with the E-Girls, this results in new V-tubers applying the easiest and quickest ways to get simps to give them money, playing to degeneracy then making a character.
Overall, I see V-tubers as a move in the right direction, and their is a clear line to all this being a fantasy. Unfortunately due to all the simps, it's going to take time before the worst of the bunch move onto the next big thing. And their will be a next big thing, and it will piss people off like the last few big things.
@@DiceWarwick Normally I agree with many of what this channel says but in this case it seems a bit too reaching; before VTubers became a thing, people were having a moral panic over films, and before that over books.
The core issues which creates the dark side of the VTubing industry isn't something which it created, but merely a manifestation of the underlying issues plaguing human society since time immemorial.
Also, NNN is clearly a running gag based on a pun, I have no idea why he missed that considering Risu's a squirrel.
@@DiceWarwick IMO at worst it's humane escapism for darwinian dead ends to end their bloodline in a less torturous way and at best, if modeled by Japanese idol culture, they can be role models of femininity and even chastity to disoriented western females. With the exception of Vshoujo, that represents most aspects of western female degeneracy, most other companies more or less try to maintain marketability to romantically frustrated males and consequently more traditional feminine virtues, including chastity and availability. Even the horni-baiting ones often have to pretend niche interests and social retardery in order to reinforce that image.
@torujack9198: "to escape it"
Or alternatively you could deal with it or do something about it. But that requires effort, leaving your comfort zone, and actually taking care of shit, but they can't do that because they allowed themselves to become oversized infants. Not a shred of self-respect in any of them
I found Your channel today (18.11.21) and I'm hooked 😃
Please upload more often, I love Your take on such things 🙂
As an Ex-Simp, here is my story:
I got into a certain vtuber, who you can already guess, based on my username if you are cultured and had a romantic parasocial relationship. I had a growing dependence on her, and when she went on break, I was very sad, I printed multiple pictures of her and put them on my walls and pillow, and I thought my life was better because of this, but I was wrong, because I was too dependent on her for happiness, I later stopped watching her and am still recovering.
Atleast you picked one of the more wholesome ones. Though having a heavy attachment is a problem, good on you for noticing and trying to address the issue.
This seems like a problem that entirely originates from you, I don't see your point.
@Tako42, I feel your pain.. 😢
That's very depressing to hear I pray for your recovery man Godspeed.
It's really a declining world we are living in. Mostly bad and worse options are available. Even many disciplined people given in
A truly disciplined person doesn't give in. They're like a rock.
Vtubers are digital groomers for younger audiences. It's prettty disturbing actually. :O
That's a pretty broad brush. There are some good Vtubers out there. They just don't have the visibility that big name Vtubers have. A few hundred subscribers vs. hundreds of thousands.
I found this vídeo in my tab ages ago but just now I decided to watch it
Honestly I thought it was gonna be a compilation of dissasters from the Vtuber community that originates from the Idol culture (so it's not just a vtuber thing, it has been a problem aince ages), with parasocial obsesive fans, stalkers, doxxers and gachikois going crazy if their idol loses their virginity (the first episode of Oshi no Ko showcases this problem, reason why many vtubers liked the anime as they felt identified with the issue it depicts. Think what you like to think about Vtubers, but the fear of crazy fans is REAL for them, that's why some set boundaries constantly)
Didn't expect that whole social analysis on lonely men and depressed woman, wich dissapointed me is that you didn't take the woman's persoective at all
Outside of the female Vtuber audience (that beside being a minority, it is pretty big and filled with lesbians), what you mentioned about depression snd this whole social issue explains why there are so many Vtubers.
They are parasocial just like their fans, they are desperate and went in their way to get known by people, this explains both the sexual ones, calling desperate for some Dick. And the most sasmd side of the scene, the ones who just want to make people smile, because making people happy helps them be happy. Is really wholesome but also depressing
And talking about smiles, that's the real charm of vtubers, it makes everyone smile, the lonely men, the lesbian audience, and the Plagiacci who hides behind the avatar. Newer generations of Vtubers come inspired by past ones, we are not talking of just some e-girls wanting to milk virgins, we are talking of geniune fans who got happier and their lifes became better thanks to Vtubing, and they want to share that happiness with others
I know the vídeo is about the bad stuff so the good stuff is out of focus, but I feel like you should've talked better about the good side of Vtubing, how it improved the life of struggling people like IronMouse, who suffers CVID wich makes her very ill and her medical bills were almost impossible to pay. Vtubing literally saved her life, she can BREATH thanks to this industry, also besides her starting screen and her models, IronMouse doesn't fully rely on sex jokes unlike the rest of Vshojo, she's just herself, having fun streaming and most specially, having fun with her friends (Seeing her getting emotional because thanks to technology and her good friend Connor she can finally "travel" and visit other placed without compromising her health is geniunely hearthwarming)
Also, you do have your points, but in some parts you kinda sounded like a religious guy who sees Pokemon Cards and tries to convince people that they are diabolical artifacts made by the devil itself. The awareness is apretiated but I think you went a little too over in them
But yeah, the coomerbait culture, fueled by loneliness and what you mentioned in the video is a real problem, and as I say it does not only affects the audience, its dangers spread to the vtubers and Idols themselves who can get hurt, harassed, and in the worst cases, killed.
Everything needs to be taken with moderation, it is ok to like sex driven vtubers and porn, that's your taste, but remember to separate fiction from reality and keep stuff in moderation
Also, IDK if you continued making videos on this topic, but I would LOVE if you make a video about male Vtubers like the HoloStars. They give a lot to talk about, like the different focus, a dufferent way of fanservice, them struggling to grow and the Missandry of the fandom and the Unicorn phenomenom
(Also WTF with the "things vtuber fans won't like" list? We LOVE hags, Marine being in her 30's, while a meme where fans mess with her,is part of her charm, we can't forget Nina Kosaka, her being an old woman was the reason she was loved, she acted like a motherly figure with years of experience. In general old people are loved, in the male side there's Vesper Noir, an old man nicknamed Grandpa by his fans and his chatting stream consists of a crazy old man telling crazy old stories) (Also them being single is what fuels parasocials, not a hood example, IDK why you put that there)
(And lastly, they don't being female is where the meme "I don't care, looks female enough" comes to play. Jokes aside this is not an issue, in first place IDK why it would be an issue, in this part you even sounded a little transphobic. But anyway, vtubers have turned their real gender into a dynamic with their character, there's a girl who uses the avatar if a boy who's crossdresing as a girl for example. And with Nora Cat, the example you used with Unravel in the background, got benefit with this "slip" and from what I heard it wasn't even a secret in first place, aparently the audience knew he was a man already and they just played along with that moment)
Best comment I see so far
I read much of your comment, and agree with a lot of it. But I disagree with one thing. One cannot watch porn in moderation. Just as one cannot do drugs in moderation.
The advancement of AI is going to massively exasperate this issue
After studying AI for a dozen or so credits in a university, both implementation, ethics and applications, it looks like we've seen most of it. There is no free lunch and all the low-hanging fruit has already been picked. An AI does not really create anything. It simply analyzes and recombines what has already been put into it. And I think you mean exacerbate. But anyway, an AI needs clean data that must be fed to it by a living, thinking human programmer or data scientist. Otherwise it's garbage in, garbage out.
@@seriouscat2231 dam... you are clearly a liar or incredible dumb.
We humans need input too, we get that input through our senses, so by your own logic, an AI is AT LEAST as capable as human being if feed the right information. We already know an AI can do what a human can in tent of thousands of a second simultaneously, so we are not very far off an actual artificial intelligence.
Thank you so much man for bringing me back to my senses man I just wanna be able to find a real woman and not having to depend on these virtual girls or anime girls...
7 months late, but go out and get em tiger.
Hope you managed to find one by now brother. I remember I was like you back in 2020 until I began my first relationship with a girl who was just the sweetest person I've met up to that point.
Frankly, I see Vtubers as I see pro wrestlers, and I love pro wrestling for its strong, positive aspects. Girls are given a gimmick, but fiction combines with reality and it's hard to know how much, because it's way easier to wear the gimmick than a wrestler that travels everywhere. They can spice up or even outright change their gimmicks, and at least for the corporate ones, stay entertaining enough for the audience; some are more niche than others, and some get more personal than others.
I can't watch an entire stream, I don't have the patience or time to do that, so I mostly watch compilations and skip/watch in whatever interests me. There are some that I find very engaging, like Watame, because her persona is endearing and I like the way she sings. But just like a wrestler I really like, I don't try to create a bond with her. Even in her supposedly more personal, vulnerable moments, I can't really budge because it doesn't feel natural. If she's going through a rough time or something, well, that sucks and I hope she overcomes it, but that's it.
I agree that their popularity is due to the bad hand young adults are given, but they submit instead of building a more "normal" life and environment around them.
Your first point is dead on. That's what they are essentially.
Exactly
Some wise words
Why do people buy anything in life??? If death is inevitable?
Spot on
One advantage of being a cartoon essentially, is best talent will rise to the top, looks are less important, they will get better over time, while the regular women's focused on looks, will fall off.
lol. The whole Rushia scandal just proved this video's point
I dunno who are worse: the "waifu" classic fanatic, or the apologists with their "it's not hurting anyone!" mindset. Though both are just wrong.
What happened
What russia scandal?
@@RaKalamando *Rushia* (the vtuber) not Russia...
@@RaKalamando accidentally calls her boyfriend
Got banned and deleted its archives.
'0 Friends' had me gawping for 10 seconds, even as someone like me who found most people insufferable, having no friends is actually sad.
There are no "friends" in this realm. Only Jesus.
V-Tubers were always the same as E-celebs. The only difference is the number of dimensions they inhabit. This is why I avoid all of them like the plague.
I also can feel the Japanese Idol Culture oozing all over Hololive... and I really want to stay away from that.
EDIT: Japanees --> Japanese (typo)
Did u know conservatives r more into anim3 then u think?
@@ThugOG30VIPs3rd-T So what's your point? You think I'm a conservative?
Good and straight to the point reality check. Just like most things, enjoying them in moderation is the way to go, especially when it comes to entertainment.
This video seems that will have more dislikes than the no fap video,i wonder why this will happen.
Judging by the dislikes, you done it just right. Truly, due to the decline in morals, men such as myself have fallen into this pit of degeneracy or even helped make it for others. Climbing out is hard, but not impossible.
Yeah man. I really didn’t like murdering 5 year olds until I saw how much everyone hated it.
Big kek. Tradtards can be real autists about every single thing.
That's amusing... Knowing this ordeal is not the cause nor the result. An escape from the true problem.
Political Wars ensured it.
@@MastarCheef1337 COPE
@@MastarCheef1337 Cry about it. We are happier than you. Matthew 5:28.
I think that by saying that there are talented V-tubers who can entertain you're being way kinder than a lot of people who are going to agree with this video. I think that the phenomenon of parasocial relationships and the manifestation of them in modern world are important to acknowledge the existence of. I don't agree with the idea that the streamers are just playing to their audience since the big companies are in charge of the character designs and they stream too often to convincingly fake a persona. If you see a degenerate, the chances are they're just as much of one when the camera's off. I also think that religion is a red herring in this conversation. You bring up how poorly Japan is doing with its relationship problems and how China is doing better but neither is very Christian like the US and Russia.
Anything can become toxic. also no shit they create a persona they are entertainers, but their persona is built of their own. Blaming the fall of western civilization on Vtubers without realizing they have merit is kinda cringe.
It sounds like this guy is grasping at straws to find a reason why Vtubers are destroying civilization, when in reality, civilization has been trying to destroy itself, like how divorce courts are run, career politicians being a thing, and it's been doing it for centuries.
This is like a desperate cover up for the fact he just doesn't like Vtubers, but wants to milk out some kind of hardcore reaction like "OH LOOK HOW UNCHRISTIAN THIS IS". I know actual traditional Catholics, talked to one the other day, friend of mine, and he'd probably say you're making a gigantic waste of time for doing this kind of video and bringing in religion into it.
This guy sounds more like he's larping his religion. Using religion as a weapon against vtubers also just seems like a disgraceful use of religion. Why not use religion to talk about the way politicians falsely claim to be men of god.
Also probably a bit of an incel if he tries to talk about MGTOW, and then never touches on what MGTOW even actually has to do with the grander scheme of vtubers themselves. Just some hot topic buzzwords.
Amusing... Even in mankind's origin. Nothing has changed.
No matter... This ordeal ends rather shortly. Every other "evidence" is not even close to the truth of the matter.
People choose what to buy. The form a marketable relationship. Nothing more or less.
The things about religion and so on?... This ordeal is the byproduct of the old wars before America existed. I am amused but it was as designed by the progenitors of mankind.
@@KaiserTrigger sounds like you're coping
@@TheWeedIsland Sounds like you just hate anything with cute anime avatars.
men is speaking facts
"If you don't know what a hot tub stream is, consider yourself lucky."
*proceeds to explain with a clip*
But great video essay btw!
You earned yourself a like & sub.
Thanks for the honesty and awesome video.
Thank you! Everyday I learn something new 👍
Based and coldharshpilled
Why so many dislikes? Coomers on suicide watch lmfao
Or women seeing this as absolute bullshit.
@@loopacute Explain how it's absolute bullshit?
Everything he said is 110% valid.
Stay mad.
@@loopacute You don't even know what incel means and you're calling HIM one?
Get off the internet already. Clearly you're addicted
@@Mr_Mistah cope and stay mad hedonist
@@Mr_Mistah look she has a playlist called “depression” and “i want to get drugged and abuse” don’t worry lmao
I will not argue. I agree with the arguments in this video.
I have avoided vtubers for a long time. But I learned more about them and now I watch some of them. Without fanaticism, of course. Some of them are just fun to watch.
No they're not.
@@Mr_Mistah For you, but not for me.
@@Mr_Mistahokay dude, guy in the video was being respectfully critical of this whole thing but you're just a downright hater (no need to make that known to _everybody_ )
I enjoy a lot of Hololive content. I've never spent any money on them, despite the hours of entertainment I've gotten from them.
I think you did a mostly fair job with this video. I think there *is* a dark side and more young men need to be aware that these things do exist.
I'm just about the perfect demographic for the content, and I recognize that in terms of parasocial relationships, the comfort from watching their content is a shallow surrogate for real two-way relationships with real people. Nevertheless, I do feel happy when I see these girls growing, when their lives improve, and I have prayed for their safety when I hear they've gotten the clotshot. Even if they are entertainers and they do not know me, they are still human individuals.
I think there are things that Hololive/Cover in particular, and some of their talents, do deserve praise for - and I recognize that the "positive side" of vtubers is not the topic of this video. The biggest one that kept me watching, for example, is that it isn't content from the hellmouth - Hollywood.
The "talents" that the women themselves have, are things that most women could do if they tried. Hololive isn't scouting for much talent beyond having a decent voice and having sexual/cute appeal.
The problem is that the "Dark side" part of the video entitle a lot of weird conservarive men into hating Vtubers and consider them degeneracy, horrible people, e-thots with different skin, etc
Ignoring the absolute real issue of lonely men erasing the line between reality and fiction as a way of escapism. Blaming the Vtubers who are mostly workers, instead of the ones who make them their life
If you are actually a fan of Hololive this is actually bad, the man says he "did research" but then uses non Hololive talent to show how bad they are. What a gross miss characterization on his part.
@@lostfootage1999 I can see you don't do your research but everyone in Hololive has some talent whether be good at art singing and dancing or just being a really good entertainer.
@@Fulcrox I wouldn't call the people who would be moved by the video to hate vtubers "weird conservative men" - I would wager that most of the ones who would jump to that extreme are gen Z, right-wing (not conservative), and mostly good people trying to defend themselves and those they care about in a world that appears designed to try to fuck them over.
Some of the vtubers, like some of the indie ones, are deserving of scorn, imo. Rather than "all vtubers are bad people", I think the takeaway from Pax's video ought to be "there is a dark *side* that people ought to be aware of, and guard against", in the same way there is a dark side to many other entertainment media even if there is content within an infected domain that is still good, enjoyable, and worth engaging with.
My preference would be for the video to have emphasized that idea, and to have left out some of the rhetorical trickery like zooming in on Botan laughing and implying personal sinister intent, or somewhat misrepresenting Risu's NNN joke.
BRUH when that guy came on the camera instead of the anime girl that was rough. Real matrix breaking moment.
The hard to swallow pills you mentioned is that about the fleeting time.
You'll never know what comes after you until you start regretting things with time that could be used for better things.
Some may argue that as long they enjoy it, it doesn't matter, right? That's what they said at first... And there won't be second time.
If I could escape from reality, I will definitely would do it but it is what it is. Vtuber thing is definitely a good way for escapism but once you're inside, it might be hard to get out.
It's not hard for me. Because I'm a grown ass man with a job.
Don't have time to watch "vtubers" scream into a microphone. Kids do, which is why majority of their audience are kids.
It Is, managed tò get out in time, but many didnt. In fact, there Is a "meme" in the vtuber community: once you get in to the rabbit hole, ( they literally call It like this), you never come back
They hated him because he told the truth
In a land where men are liars, a truthful man is an outcast.
It got really Evangelion at the end
I don’t think they’re “exploiting“ their audience’s supposed loneliness. Some Vtubers started because they themselves were lonely. Ironmouse, for example, was born with a chronic disease that leaves her bedridden and unable to safely ever leave her home. She does Vtubing because it’s the one social outlet for her where she can finally feel like herself, and doesn’t have to just be the “poor sick person” she is in real life.
I find that so wholesome and inspiring. :)
Instead of just saying he doesn't like Vtubers and ending the video there he's trying to say that Vtubers is one of the reasons society is ruined
> Finally gets an opportunity to interact with people
> Becomes generic e-slut and gathers audience of degenerates for money
How wholesome.
Dude they’re doing to eat off you weirdos
@@MrToonlink53 neither of you listened lmao he says it multiple times that vtubers are a symptom of a declining society that wouldn't exist if the problems mentioned weren't prevalent. Also you can still prey on someone despite being unfortunate yourself.
@@esotericchungusism I agree, i would even go that far as to say that people that are unfortinate are more prone to prey on others than someone who isn't.
The only thing I could had is that, while there are some male vtubers too, they are far (and I do mean FAAAAAAR) less popular than their female counterparts.
Only popular oneis Roberu, and he seems likea very good person and streamer
However in general male streamers are more popular they female streamers so it balances out
Isn't Kuzuha the most watched Vtuber though? I think the confusion comes from people only thinking about sub count.
Take Maimoto Keisuke for example, the guy has around 350k subs, which is lower than even the most unpopular Hololive talents, yet he pulls insane numbers every time he organizes any event, just the other day he got 910k views in one of his videos.
@@qtheplatypus naw its easier to get popular as a chick, just gotta be cute(make-up helps) and show skin
@@octoslut that is why the top 8 twitch streamers are male?
Demonios, no hay subtítulos
No debí insultar a la maestra de inglés ese día
16:15 no discrimination here
18:28 For the one that doesn't know who this guy is, search Unabomber. I recomand also looking into his ideas.
Although he is known for his other works.
The Industrial Revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster-
Your use of memes makes me happy
This is the main reason why I like small streamers I've been friends with quite a few 1000 - 5000 sub youtubers embrace supporting small communities
Thanks this vid will be very useful for .. future predicaments...
It’s kinda funny really. People who are too trusting tend towards unhealthy parasocial relationships, but people who don’t trust enough tend towards no relationships at all
I see your point. But Vtubers right now got almost zero affection on that... I mean... Those simmilar arguments you say were used back when TV was firstly made... Then Computers, then Internet, Games, Social Media... There is always a golden age and then the dark one... Right now we are in the Golden one, but it slowly goes to the Dark one where people will realize that they need to get up again and go back to the Golden age just to get comfortable and fall into the Dark age again. Its a cycle that will never change.
The hood ain't gonna like this one dawg
This was an incredibly well done and well researched video. I also found it woefully insightful ("woeful," in the sense that this video, while invaluable for its ability to bestow wisdom, also brings pain and suffering along with it-- as it leads us to discoveries that are cumbersome in weight, and problems that have no real remedies for them).
Anyways, I especially love how your video gets very close to the root of the problem of Vtuber Parasocialism-- that more and more men are just plain lonely nowadays. This insight alone brings a new dimension of understanding to this topic, understanding which we can then use in addressing this multi-faceted issue.
And lastly, I love the Tokyo Ghoul part of this video. It was undoubtedly the best part, and it is something that I will giggle over for years to come, i'm sure! 😂
I personally enjoy vtubers, especially as background noise and language immersion when doing tasks that do not require much concentration. But i have also noticed that a lot of them, especially indies that rose to prominence recently, only do s*x jokes. This disgusts me, honestly, which is why i do not watch those. I am not so puritanic, that i find a deez nuts joke too indecent, but with a lot of them the overall vibe i get is that negative behaviors are encouraged. I feel like hololive is the best place to find ones that actually uplift you (although they also have the other kind), because of the high barrier to get into hololive. They must be talented to get in and thus the chance of them succeeding because of talent and not s*x-appeal is higher. However, i am aware, that as all online media, it has a negative effect on me insofar as it makes being alone more comfortable. But the solution to that isn't to just not use the internet at all. I am just trying to get rid of the worst parts (like pron, which i do not consume, or instagram or twitter).
Dunno if anybody cares, but i just wanted to express my thoughts.
Good video btw.
I agree. Funny thing is im a huge fan of anime, but what i find absolutely ridiculous and dangerous is that these brainded women that do this nonsense are deliberately acting and talking like underage girls while they spew out constant sexual innuendos or base their stream content around such material. We've become so conditioned and desensitized to sexualizing little girls that no one sees it as a problem, and its exaclty at that moment that it needs to stop, because its an open door to pedophilia. This isn't an attack on every women that becomes successful, rather this is just me pointing out that these women im question use reverse psychology tactics to target these specific groups of degenerate pedophiles as their main fanbase, because they know its the quickest road to dame and fortune, and to me that's when i lose respect for a person as a human being.
Im with u bro
I was about to write something along the lines of "you're kinda clumping everything into one thing.. even tho.. they're not?" then eventually you mentioned it near the end how they're mixed bag, everyone is depressed nowadays and loneliness is being used for banking money.
It's true that there are nuiancess i also agree with the voice acting part, but we can't do anything IF (i.e. lilypichu) they actually sound like that no matter what they do, lol.
some sad realization i found out when watching this.
9:50 if this is true it seems like pursuing your dreams and aspiration to have a profession makes you depressed like you mention in this video girls/female were happier when they marry earlier or something :V and that's kinda just a sad truth i guess has nothing to do with how men can't make gf because of social life. also reminds me of lalaland like how the lesson was that 2 partners that has professions will find it hard to make it work unless they have the same work or found a way to make it work. (also the media before seem to just paint women as a house maid of some sort i know that sounds too radical but it was somewhat that bad..)
then the section about how the religion and media changed the age of marriage, i think this just shows how dumb people are when they're younger, I'm not against divorce or dating apps and things like that because there are some valid cases like abusive relationship and such, dating apps kinda raise the bar? and at the same time makes it seem like there's so many option and everyone is just expendable like you can just easily swipe someone if you don't like em.
11:15 i know what you're trying to say here which is completely valid but another thing i'd like to point out is that some of these vtubers like you mention later on are also male, and/or also loners singles moms, divorced etc. so.. yeah the companies maybe are banking in their loneliness but the more depressing fact is they're not laughing at us they're laughing with us, sure they get money from all this but they're probably suffering from the pressure and toll too, if they truly have good morals or if they just feel like a product.
16:00 You mention "some of their audience might be disgusted" where i might agree? but there are some rare cases where.. it's obvious.. and people don't care lol like most hololive fans joke about YAGOO (the CEO) is all hololive vtuber.. and honestly like everyone will probably more likely surprised not mad at all some maybe but it's a given thing lol the one with a slip up they still have views, another thing i might add which could be somewhat REACHING.. in japan (and some country) "GAYS" or "TRANS" are not that welcome, so you can see how some of these old men acting as cute little girls could be their only way to express themselves as "female" it is kinda depressing on that lense but the majority it is somewhat creepy, I don't think anyone is open to talk about that yet. i even find it kinda off thinking of it that way. (this is considering that it's happening before when vtuber was such a niche thing and it haven't exploded yet and there's already type of vtuber called Babiniku which most people are aware there's even opposite where girls pretend to be a guy/trap lol and why do they do it? even tho they know at the start they can't earn money from it and it will take too long to start earning from it also they're probably lonely too..)
as your question at the end you came of harsh like comparing e-thots the vtubers, there are some nuances on that but i guess that's because you're not putting them beside each other not until we see that segment where you show an example of iron mouse jiggle titty because some viewers might think of their experience and they don't see think the way you think so i suggest probably after recording your voice think about how the visual will help your points a lot of the things you said came of harsh at the middle then became a somewhat clearer later on and i guess that just you hoping people will watch the whole video before commenting, so maybe do some disclamer thing? or think about the structure and order. the statistics and fact checks are fine even tho they don't entirely mean that vtuber caused it but it's true it's much more rampant now but even then i see more people get to meet friends/community because of it. like in some luck chances there were viewers boasting how they found a gf who was also watching vtubers and the vtuber were happy for them that they got together for that so idk that's like really rare i guess lol.
It is one factor but not the full reality... Most of the problems go back before the world wars. At the birth of America, for me. At the birth of mankind, for the world.
Not that this era will understand... There will always be snakes in society, but even snakes are nothing against the Trapper... The Political Machine of Humanity ensured it.
ive been into the rabbit hole for more than an year now
and to be really honest, it was a bit hard to like or dislike the video
because it does point out real problems we are facing now
but then only picking out certain moments or parts to make some of them look bad
feels kind of a bit unfair
Surprising to see you in this channel of all places Eleos, but welcome nonetheless.
But yeah, normally I agree with many of what this channel says but in this case it seems a bit too reaching; before VTubers became a thing, people were having a moral panic over films, and before that over books.
The core issues which creates the dark side of the VTubing industry isn't something which it created, but merely a manifestation of the underlying issues plaguing human society since time immemorial.
There's nothing inherently wrong with VTubers, any more than any other celebrity or other well known person, the issue is when people get too obsessed about it, the people who take #WOKE #YOLK way too seriously.
But the thing is, in ages past, those same people would just seek other things to be obsessed over; at least with VTubers, one can't claim any have commanded their fans to fly planes into skyscrapers so there's that.
I don't remember when blade runner 2049 came out but I remember thinking all the scenes with K and Joi were incredible and almost like an old romance movie it wasn't until I watched it a second time the "your a good joe" scene sunk in. The literal living ad glowing in the rain, "JOI: Everything you want to hear, see"
Fire.