VEGAN Debunks PROTEIN Myths with Girls
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- I hold a sign that says "I'm doing a social experiment" and people come and approach me. Then, we discuss consent and why that is important to them. In the end, we try to get to what is holding them back from not paying for needless animal exploitation, abuse and slaughter
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00:00 Intro
00:21 Social experiment
01:20 Vegan Talk
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The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness
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Plant sentience: The burden of proof
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Botanists Say Plants Are Not Conscious
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It's so mind boggling that people speak with such certainty and confidence about things they have NO clue about. Like "if we don't do this we won't have any protein to eat".
Great outreach, Cip!
I love having a resource to hand out. Great job Cip, they sounded genuine that they would look more into it! 🙌
I think so too. But, the one who walked away, no chance.
@@translatedwithcaree3404 idk, sometimes friends influence each other. Could go either way
I'm glad you corrected yourself about eating the dead body. I used to think this as well, but doing so still feeds the root problem of all of this - the mindset that animals, even their bodies, fur, feathers etc. are resources for us to use. As vegans we should reject that notion.
Thanks 🙏 yeah, i had to correct that
Thanks Cip. I loved the way you handled the "one person won't make a difference" excuse. 🌱
I try 🤗 thanks
I always say it because it's true.....great work cip 👍👍
Thank you, Martin 🤗💚
Dude, Solid conversation, great job keeping them on topic..
You are awesome, bro. I think 2 of them will really think about this. Thanks 👍
I can only hope. They did seem to understand the point. Thanks for watching 🤗💚
Brilliant conversation Cip!!!
Another fantastic conversation 🙌✨💚🌿
Great job, Cip. A couple thoughts:
1. When they say “You have a great point… I’ll think about it” you don’t need to accept that during their contemplative period they will still consume animals and put animals through cruel practices. You should definitely still say that, but you can also suggest that while they are doing that research, given that they have conceded what they are doing MAY be unethical, their only moral option is that they abstain while they are in the process of thinking about it.
2. I think it is a good idea to concede that consuming the body of someone who was not murdered is morally trivial in compared to consuming someone who was murdered, especially if that murder was for the purpose of consuming them. It is fine to make an aside that this commodifies them too and is thus still somewhat unethical, but you don’t want to find yourself in the position of arguing for some morally grey area at the cost of letting the carnist get away with an egregious false equivilency- ie. that murdering someone to eat them is not infinitely worse than eating someone who died accidentally or from natural causes (and did not give you permission to dispose of their body in this way).
One minor added point re: #2: the carnists were trying to make the case that it was okay to scavenge the bodies of elderly animals who died of natural causes, not consuming road kill. By switching the example to road kill, you seemed to confuse them, as you were focusing on intentionally vs non-intentionally killing for flesh consumption, while they were focusing on killing vs not killing for flesh consumption. It is good to make that switch, since the key point is killing intent rather than killing itself, but it would have helped them follow better if you had pointed out the transition more clearly.
You’re right about both.
1. I normally do say something, but I guess I forgot in this instance
2. You’re right. I should’ve eased the transition and explained better.
Thanks for these suggestions. This is what helps me get better at activism 🤗💚
Good points, Nick
@@veganpowerlab Hey cip, you smashed that interview with or without my nitpicks. That said, the fact that you read everyone’s nitpicks and humbly engage your peanut gallery is part of what makes you such a joy to follow.
most emotional people play along with vegans to appease them. Otherwise, they actually disagree on the fundamentals.
1. Animals are more of a something, not a someone. That is why we refer to them as it.
2. It's animals utilization not oppression. You oppress someone when you mistreat them and infiltrate on their rights of freedom while animals are resources of our environment for our consumption and utilization as we see fit. They don't have the right to not be consumed or utilized.
3. Animals are not murdered. They are slaughtered. Only, individuals of our kind are murdered by other individuals. This concept doesn't apply to none human animals at all.
@@derbykirby3627 Your “fundamentals” are not logical arguments, they are just circular assertions. I get it, you think that there’s nothing wrong with taking the lives of animals because you see them as merely resources to be exploited than as ends in themselves. But you aren’t providing a REASON why this view is justified. You say they are “something” rather than “someone,” and yet they each have an individual subjective experience like you and I, and most people do refer to them as “he” and “she” when not trying to distance from their experience for the sake of avoiding guilt. Their right to be regarded as having intrinsic ends in themselves rather than treated as mere means stems from their capacity to experience the world, something true “things” cannot do.
Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊
Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗💚
Excellent outreach, keep that up! 🌻🌎✊🏽
Good talk!
Awesome, well done.
great job 👏🏻
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
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Good job mate. Just a tip, try not not lecture before they give their opinion.
Keep it up bud!
Was I lecturing? What do you mean?
@@veganpowerlab no you did a really good job mate. Sorry I didn't explain it...
I just looked it over again. So there was a part here where you explain something about the industry then you said "you shouldn't", then you asked the question you just answered. It would be more affective if you pose the question to them first instead. Just little things like that.
Can you point the minute? I appreciate the feedback and it seems like something i could improve on 🤗
@@veganpowerlab 7 minute mark. So instead of saying "that means you shouldn't participate in it" just ask them their opinion rather than telling them first.
I've watched quite a few of your vids and noticed that sort of thing, so thought I'd just bring it to your attention.
Yes we shouldn't objectify anyone even after they're dead we must respect them♥️♥️♥️ Great job Cip😊😊😊🪲🐇🐟🐝🐛🐊🦝🫂🫂🫂💚💚💚
Thank you, Nataly 🤗💚
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Debunking masterclass!
Excellent work
Thank you! 🙏
Nice handle
Of course the one opposes it was dismissive, didn't want to listen to the rest, and leaves the conversation...
good gals❣
Hopefully they make a change
10:20
No, totally disagree.
There's no "their body" after they're dead since they don't exist any longer.
So you can't possibly be treating the individual as a commodity since clearly that individual no longer exists.
Instead you're treating a corpse as a commodify and there's nothing necessarily inherently immoral about treating a corpse as a commodity.
The unethical part is the exploitation and unjustified harming of the INDIVIDUAL.
This is why vegans focus on living animals rather than rotting corpses.
I still wouldn't eat roadkill for various reasons, human or not.
In no particular order, and off the top of my head, here are the reasons I wouldn't personally be ok with it.
- It goes towards normalising treating them as food.
- It is a considerably dangerous thing to do in terms of personal and communicable disease.
- While corpse desecration doesn't impact the person whose body it was, it might very well upset their acquaintances. It definitely would for humans. It might well do for other animals as well. E.g. elephants mourn and visit their dead. I can't be sure that other animals might not be upset at this.
- Also, in a position where the consumption of this is unnecessary,I would rather not deprived other animals, who might need it.
That means it's always vegan to eat flesh since the animal is dead
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I wouldn't eat flesh from animal corpses so long as I've not good reason to......and I see ZERO good reason to.
It's not necessarily true at all that eating roadkill normalizes them as food. ONLY under certain conditions would this be true.
Yes, I agree with the health risks claim.
For SOME humans, it would be morally irresponsible under certain conditions to consume their corpse......for other humans, not.
But in ALL cases, there's no "their body" since clearly "they" don't exist in death.
@deemstars
No, not necessarily.
If, under certain conditions, by eating that flesh in a very publicized way it promoted or normalized the exploitation and unjustified harming of animals for a gustatory indulgence, then clearly it's not compatible with Veganism, IMO.
But if the single occupancy plane you're flying crashed on a deserted island with no internet access and you come across the corpse of an animal and consume it because you've not found anything else with high levels of protein to eat for 3 weeks, then there's virtually zero possibility that you're normalizing the killing of animals for a gustatory indulgence if you eat that found corpse.
Literally EVERYTHING must be seen in it's proper context.
People know it’s wrong but there is no realistic viable solution so people justify it or ignore it, it’s that simple. Any solutions Vegans propose usually come very close to dictating what people should do, which is always a non starter. I personally don’t see how it will ever change as humans always care about humans first, animals are at the bottom of the list of problems and the list is verrrrrrrrrrrrry long.
Well, if you believe it’a wrong to exploit, abuse and slaughter innocent sentient individuals, then you should be vegan
@@veganpowerlab yes but that would require a human race that is accountable to moral principles, most of them are not or have higher moral priorities. People generally know where precious metals come from to build their laptops and phones, does it really stop anyone from buying them?? Not in the slightest.
@@thomasfowler8212 are you vegan?
@@veganpowerlab no I eat eggs, and casually eat dairy if I’m in situations where it’s inconvenient to not do so. I used to be a vegan, but it’s extremely difficult - especially living abroad in Asia.
I applaud your work and optimism, I just have a much lower expectation and opinion of the human race lol
If there is a will, there is a way. Sounds like you were plant based and not vegan. @thomasfowler8212
I think you did a great job. Looking strong too💪
Are you going to go into the animal Kingdom and stop animals killing and consuming each other as well?
No. Why?
@@veganpowerlab why not?
After watching this, I'm now craving power and getting myself a BLT. 😋
I always have power. I don’t need to get it by exploiting sentient individuals
I would love to have a longer conversation with you about your reply, or even the original questions you asked. Not meaning to be rude, but I feel your expressing nativity when you discuss oppression. Nearly everyone oppresses someone else in some way or another, even in ways we do not know, and that is just a factor of existing.
@@danielspringer4010 I know exactly where you're trying to go with this 'oppression' analogy. There is no reason to even have a discussion with you; I have no interest in nor do I agree with your opinion. It will 100% go nowhere. Many of you are incredibly condescending, have a superiority complex, and think you're above anyone who disagrees. I respect your choice to be vegan, but I know you do not respect the latter.
@@JRAnalyzes @JRAnalyzes my comment was directed to vegan power lab. I'm a meat eater. Regardless, whichever side of the debate you fall on (I fall on your side, just to be clear) it's still not a good idea to assume you know what people are thinking or to make blanket statements. It's not healthy for debate or personal development.
@@danielspringer4010 Sorry about that. I've spoken to some vegan advocates and they can be quite condescending and aggressive and try to twist facts in their favor. Even tried dating a girl who was a big vegan advocate and she constantly insisted she could convert me. Obviously, I know vegan people who are wonderful but they don't try to force others to think like them. I just don't bother anymore with certain groups like these...
My friends family farm has no rape racks the adult and cafe cows live in a very large open pasture they live long lives
How long is a long life? Are baby cows kept with their mothers. And if so for how long? Are any animals sold for slaughter?
No farm on earth that produces dairy can allow the farmed cattle to live long lives. Cows have to be regularly impregnated to produce milk. Typically every 12 months. That means a new calf every 12 months. A farm cannot operate with exponential herd growth YOY. Especially when the primary cost for a farm is space and feed.
You are lying or are grossly misinformed.
@@andyswarbrick9991 I would certainly hope the animals are sold for slaughter. That would be pretty selfish to keep all of that meat for themselves.
Bragging about not having a rape rack and not killing babies tells you alot about the business your in.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg It's incredibly selfish to take that animal's life. It doesn't just affect that animal, it affects its family & friends. That same as if you die it affects your family & friends.