@@EarthPoets Well, unlike vegans us omnivores actually have real jobs and can't always respond to youtube comments while they're at work. I must have missed the part of the video where the person being interviewed confessed to murdering the vegans' friends and family.
Justify your needless use of animal products for us without an outright denial. Many things are made with animal products. Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc... Guess your position is the same...
@@stevenmarkhansen Thanks for showing you're okay with using animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
Cip you are so passionately committed to the animals I think you are wonderful, you make me proud to be vegan. People who needlessly murder animals for their pleasure are soul- less, I can't imagine what other horrible things they are doing in their life because they feel entitled to do whatever they want to do regardless of any pain and suffering they are causing. The arrogance is stunning !
I love your activism. I think you have your thumb to the pulse of a certain approach that actually plants seeds and sticks to the wall and all that. Tough crowd... but you sailed through them. 💚💚💚
I think people need to push back more on the idea we have always eaten animals. Factory farming wasn't a thing until 1930's. Prior to that, eating meat was energy intensive, availability was much lower, and cost was expensive, so most people did not eat meat everyday. It was reserved for special occasions or consumed in smaller amounts.
That’s a great point also. That’s the thing about veganism. There are so many arguments for it and so many ways to debunk anything against it that I forget some of them 😅 But, thanks for the reminder 🤗
@@veganpowerlab Change yours first. There is no point in others changing their diet to a deficient diet just because you lied to them. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while only pretending to be against it? I will bet my account deletion that you won't answer this fact based question directly and factually.
@@veganpowerlab Many things are made with animal products. Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc... How did you record, edit, upload your video and reply to my comment without using processors? Smoke signals? I know you're just going to continue to evade so I will just take the win and your final concession.
Nice one cip , those guys were well annoying, i thought you were well patient concidering how they were behaving , with their smug laughter , as if animal abuse was something to be proud of in their opinion .
Yeah. I’m gonna start doing that more often and perhaps in a way where they don’t take it personally, but rather they understand the position they choose to take
@@veganpowerlab The refusal to handshake is a good move. You are there on behalf of the victims. If you were speaking for victims of spousal abuse, you wouldn’t shake an abuser’s hand if at the end of the conversation they insisted on still beating their spouse, no matter how collegial and calm the conversation was.
@@Nick_Lyston He is there so people will sub to his channel and doesn't care about animals. He uses animal products just like you and everyone else here. Funny that he called them "hypocrites" isn't it.
At some point you just have to stop entertaining their weak rationalisations and call them out for what they are. Animal abusers. They might find it uncomfortable but the truth hurts sometimes. It took someone being incredibly blunt about cows milk to me before I actually gave it more than a superficial thought. This kind of rhetoric in activism can and does work.
I completely agree. Cutting through the BS is something that helps people get there. That’s what got me there too (listening to Joey, who always cuts through bs)
@@veganpowerlab That makes no sense. If I killed a person and ground up their body and made it into burgers and sold it as vegan burgers would you then be considered a people abuser for eating a vegan burger? Of course not.
@@veganpowerlab That's confusing the consumer side with the production side though. If a cell phone company uses slave labor that doesn't make a consumer of cell phones a slave owner.
Cip , I think maybe you had enough of some of this laddish & 幼稚行為 of the main guy's friends. I know usually you're a very patient person. On watching this video I thought their behaviour was pathetic, childish but more than anything disappointing. I hope one day we can meet & do some outreach. My wife & I are now planning to do some outreach in Taiwan. If we get it on YT I'll share with you - I want you to know that you're a huge inspiration - 😊
Omg.. what a huge compliment. I am looking forward to seeing your outreach videos. 🤗 I have days when my patience is not that good, haha.. that was one of those days
Not sure if planted seeds with them. But, at least they knew what veganism is and at least they know that not everyone accepts nonsensical excuses for exploiting sentient individuals. Thank you, Nataly 🙏🤗🤗🤗💚
I lthink veganism is better defined as a principled stand against the commodification of animals (rather than as a principle in and of itself). Principles are somewhat passive and abstract, while principled stands emphasize the application of moral principles (which are often shared by the carnist already) to actual behavior. If you want to add more descriptors you could also call it principled, consistent stand against the objectification and commodification of animals. You can play around with it, but I agree with you that “commodification” is an important part of the definition vegan activists often unfortunately leave out.
I love this correction and I’ve been thinking about it myself. Thanks for mentioning it. I will call it a principled stance against the commodification of animals. Or maybe I need to find something everyone understands 🤔
@@veganpowerlab Behaiya (voice of vegans) asks people to define what a vegan is, rather than what veganism is. He then says: “A vegan is a person who rejects the commodity status of animals. Are you such a person?”
@@Nick_Lyston I will try that one. My concern is that most people will say "no" thinking they're answering whether they're vegan or not. But, I'll definitely try it
@@veganpowerlab I don’t know, the “principled stance against commodification” might be more powerful for more educated carnists if they are fluent in English, probably the best option is situationally dependent.
Thanks Cip. You have them there pushback that they deserved. We are always accused of being in a cult and they showed a complete inability to question what society has programmed them to believe.
I'm not talking about justifying my actions based on pleasure... but the only reason I'm going to give for not being vegan is "life is short and I want to eat things I enjoy" 😅 Horrible cognitive dissonance.
I liked how you didn't let them get away with it. Didn't shake their hand. Disapproved of their actions. Held them accountable. I said "have a nice weekend" to a couple of girls last week who said they would kill a dog, fin a shark, shoot a deer, and stab a chimpanzee if it was for food. Ugh. I think I need to take things more seriously.
@@veganpowerlab You are a gentleman Cip 😎. Be careful if you are planning outreach in Munich tonight as there is a football match - Germany vs Scotland - and things could get a bit lively 😎.
@@EarthPoets Hey can you just let me know if I'm using CZcams wrong or something? You said to set comms to newest first. Should I do that in my settings before I upload a video? Is that like a 'decent practice' kind of thing? I'm very confused by the comments you left and then deleted. And it seems like I've offended you in some way.
@SteversChed why would consuming the flesh and secretions stolen from another sentient being, that increase all cause mortality, including CVD, humans #1 k1ller, help me?
@@veganpowerlab Do they want to be the kind of men that stand up for their principles and do what is right or the kind that slink into the background and follow the herd. The kind that will defend the innocent or the kind that will look the other way. What kind of men do they want to be?
.. Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes 👈🤥. You don’t hurt your dog 😍🤗🐶🤥. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉… rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉..
Even though they didn't seem all that receptive, they stuck around long enough for you to make some strong points Cip! I think you challenged them and got them thinking. Moreover, if just one of those guys goes vegan, then more may follow in his footsteps. Anyway, nice work again Cip! 👍🌱💯💚
They indeed stuck around, but I tend to think it was more out of politeness. Let’s hope that the conversation gave them something to think about, though. Thank you so much, Donna 🤗💚
You definitely got through to him, he wouldn't have stayed as long as he did if you hadn't. He may become vegan down the line and part due to this talk
"But it is for you. It doesn't matter for everyone in the world." You know a vegan is losing an argument when they ignore a valid argument and try to make it personal.
Insult me all you want; you are still complicit in the exploitation, abuse and slaughter of sentient individuals and it’s not even needed for you. And you justify it by saying others need it. Imagine me killing and eating humans by saying “well, the people in the Andies had to resort to cannibalism to survive, so it’s okay”. That is your argument
@@veganpowerlab I'm not insulting you at all. You are the one who is accusing meat eaters of being animal abusers which is quite insulting. I am not aware of any people that need to eat human meat so I'm not really sure that is a valid example. If there was a person who needed to eat human meat for whatever reason I would say it is probably better for society that that person die than to continue to kill other humans for meat. With regard to animals however, once you establish that some people need to eat meat then you establish that animals need to be killed for those people to live. Going vegan won't prevent the deaths of any animals, not one. The animals will still be slaughtered and made into meat and if I go vegan it simply means their corpses will rot without being eaten. Furthermore, you can't dictate that some people are allowed to eat meat and others cannot. That is not the way that society works. Stating that some people can have meat and others can't is clearly discrimination.
Hmm, I don't think that this outreach was successful this time. It seemed to reaffirm the stereotype of vegans that those guys had, "the militant vegan." Although they acknowledge they are hypocrites, they left very content in their ignorance, likely forming a bond over their dislike for vegans. This video also reaffirms my opinion that "Name That Trait" is just highly ineffective, because it's not intuitive to understand. I've seen a lot of activist using it, but in every single case nobody knew what they were talking about, and it often just derailed the conversation.
I sometimes do activism like this also. I don’t know which one is the most effective and we don’t have empirical evidence to prove one or the other, so, best to cover all bases
You did well. He was a wall of stupid arguments and 0 logic at that time. Hopefully you planted a seed that can grow in his mind towards change. Very strong of you to reject his hand. 👊
I don't understand how not shaking his hand is going to make him come to your side for the cause. Seems contraproductive to me. It will probably get yourself applause from the vegan communtiy but not from the outside, who you are trying to get to, I assume.
I think it sends a message. And, it’s not my side. It’s about not exploiting animals. Why would I want to shake the hand of someone that KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY continues to support the exploitation, abuse and slaughter of sentient individuals?
@@veganpowerlab It depends on what your goal is. If you want to send the message that you dislike people like him and don't want to tolerate his believes it's totally fine. But what is your goal with this? To feel better because you let out your emotions? Then it is totally fine. But if you have the goal to change someones mind, to make him look up to you and your believes, to take him with you. Then I really doubt that actions like this then will help reaching this goal.
@@user-vl2qz7cn5v Whether plants are sentient or not is a question of scale? And when you say you don't share this perspective you mean that you believe plants are sentient?
And. Life is a wilful act. If you can't consume a sentient being, well..Jain saints employ haridjans to sweep their path, less they stamp upon an ant. Contemporary veganism doesn't even use the blush veil of the occult.
Yes. Amongst other things, a botanist, and I have no trouble with the notion of sentience in fungi, virae, and so plants. Perceptual scale is a problem for anything reading sentience in another. Veganism is a cuddly toy issue.
It's funny you call them "hypocrites" when you use animal products from the same animals they eat while claiming to be against it. Maybe you should check the definition of "hypocrisy." Many things are made with animal products. Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc... Weird how you record, edit, and upload videos without using any processors... "hypocrisy" Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while only pretending to be against it? I will bet my account deletion that you won't answer this fact based question directly and factually.
Let me ask you this. If we did this process to a human female, would it be classified as r@pe? Her being held while someone puts their hand up their anus to hold their cervix and then injects semen in their vagina?
Thank you for speaking up for animals ❤
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Animals don't support veganism.
Instantly discredited since he uses animal products needlessly for entertainment just like you and everyone else here.
Ace work Cip, you did a great job of calling them out 😎. Love how you refused to shake the last guy's hand too 😎.
Yes, that's real mature to refuse to shake someone's hand because they disagree with you.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg Would you shake the hands of those who kill your family and friends?
@@RoidRage-yc7yg 40 minutes and waiting roid - mummy taken your phone?
@@EarthPoets Well, unlike vegans us omnivores actually have real jobs and can't always respond to youtube comments while they're at work. I must have missed the part of the video where the person being interviewed confessed to murdering the vegans' friends and family.
@@EarthPoets lmao its been 2 weeks
people can not justify their carnist position without looking like fools❣
Exactly! That’s important to see: how ridiculous the excuses to kill animals are
Justify your needless use of animal products for us without an outright denial.
Many things are made with animal products.
Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc...
Guess your position is the same...
@@veganpowerlab You do it needlessly for entertainment while only pretending to be against it.
Truly ridiculous and hypocritical...
@@SteversChed yes B V gan the your ass fault road will unravel in a completely different direction❣
@@stevenmarkhansen Thanks for showing you're okay with using animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
Thanks for speaking on their behalf, bro. 🙌
Always! They deserve it 🤗💚
Cip you are so passionately committed to the animals I think you are wonderful, you make me proud to be vegan.
People who needlessly murder animals for their pleasure are soul- less, I can't imagine what other horrible things they are doing in their life because they feel entitled to do whatever they want to do regardless of any pain and suffering they are causing. The arrogance is stunning !
10:48 - This the very response I I wanted to give. Epic. Also bro trying to deny he eats spices like salt is hysterical.
I love your activism. I think you have your thumb to the pulse of a certain approach that actually plants seeds and sticks to the wall and all that. Tough crowd... but you sailed through them. 💚💚💚
I think people need to push back more on the idea we have always eaten animals. Factory farming wasn't a thing until 1930's. Prior to that, eating meat was energy intensive, availability was much lower, and cost was expensive, so most people did not eat meat everyday. It was reserved for special occasions or consumed in smaller amounts.
That’s a great point also. That’s the thing about veganism. There are so many arguments for it and so many ways to debunk anything against it that I forget some of them 😅
But, thanks for the reminder 🤗
You are so good at this!!! Thank you!! 🙏🏻
Thank you so much! I only hope they change their ways
@@veganpowerlab Change yours first.
There is no point in others changing their diet to a deficient diet just because you lied to them.
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while only pretending to be against it?
I will bet my account deletion that you won't answer this fact based question directly and factually.
@@SteversChed how do I use animal products?
@@veganpowerlab Many things are made with animal products.
Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc...
How did you record, edit, upload your video and reply to my comment without using processors? Smoke signals?
I know you're just going to continue to evade so I will just take the win and your final concession.
@@SteversChed does any of that justify you exploiting sentient individuals for optional products?
One word.........SELFISH
Nice one cip , those guys were well annoying, i thought you were well patient concidering how they were behaving , with their smug laughter , as if animal abuse was something to be proud of in their opinion .
I appreciated the refusal to handshake.
Yeah. I’m gonna start doing that more often and perhaps in a way where they don’t take it personally, but rather they understand the position they choose to take
@@veganpowerlab The refusal to handshake is a good move. You are there on behalf of the victims. If you were speaking for victims of spousal abuse, you wouldn’t shake an abuser’s hand if at the end of the conversation they insisted on still beating their spouse, no matter how collegial and calm the conversation was.
@@Nick_Lyston He is there so people will sub to his channel and doesn't care about animals.
He uses animal products just like you and everyone else here.
Funny that he called them "hypocrites" isn't it.
Tuning in from our veganic organic garden🥕🌶🥦🥬😊
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At some point you just have to stop entertaining their weak rationalisations and call them out for what they are. Animal abusers. They might find it uncomfortable but the truth hurts sometimes.
It took someone being incredibly blunt about cows milk to me before I actually gave it more than a superficial thought. This kind of rhetoric in activism can and does work.
I completely agree. Cutting through the BS is something that helps people get there. That’s what got me there too (listening to Joey, who always cuts through bs)
He doesn't abuse animals. He just eats meat.
He pays for meat, does he not? In the process of making meat, animals get abused. Thus, he pays for the product of animal abuse. Is that clear?
@@veganpowerlab That makes no sense. If I killed a person and ground up their body and made it into burgers and sold it as vegan burgers would you then be considered a people abuser for eating a vegan burger? Of course not.
@@veganpowerlab That's confusing the consumer side with the production side though. If a cell phone company uses slave labor that doesn't make a consumer of cell phones a slave owner.
Cip , I think maybe you had enough of some of this laddish & 幼稚行為 of the main guy's friends.
I know usually you're a very patient person.
On watching this video I thought their behaviour was pathetic, childish but more than anything disappointing.
I hope one day we can meet & do some outreach.
My wife & I are now planning to do some outreach in Taiwan.
If we get it on YT I'll share with you - I want you to know that you're a huge inspiration - 😊
Omg.. what a huge compliment. I am looking forward to seeing your outreach videos. 🤗
I have days when my patience is not that good, haha.. that was one of those days
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Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊
Cip this was amazing! Your outreach was 👌🎯🔥
Glad you enjoyed it! 🤗Thank you much 🙏 it was a bit more direct and confrontational
Too much hypocrisy😔😔😔 great job at least you planted some seeds Cip thank you very much💚💚💚🫂🫂🫂🐥🐥🐥🌱🌱🌱😊😊😊🐟🪲🐇♥️♥️♥️
Not sure if planted seeds with them. But, at least they knew what veganism is and at least they know that not everyone accepts nonsensical excuses for exploiting sentient individuals.
Thank you, Nataly 🙏🤗🤗🤗💚
Love that, Cip. You’ve got bolder and more confident and I commend you. I aspire to be more like this in my approach to conversations with people. ❤
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Great work. Thank you.💚💚💚
I lthink veganism is better defined as a principled stand against the commodification of animals (rather than as a principle in and of itself).
Principles are somewhat passive and abstract, while principled stands emphasize the application of moral principles (which are often shared by the carnist already) to actual behavior.
If you want to add more descriptors you could also call it principled, consistent stand against the objectification and commodification of animals. You can play around with it, but I agree with you that “commodification” is an important part of the definition vegan activists often unfortunately leave out.
I love this correction and I’ve been thinking about it myself. Thanks for mentioning it. I will call it a principled stance against the commodification of animals. Or maybe I need to find something everyone understands 🤔
@@veganpowerlab Behaiya (voice of vegans) asks people to define what a vegan is, rather than what veganism is. He then says: “A vegan is a person who rejects the commodity status of animals. Are you such a person?”
@@Nick_Lyston I will try that one. My concern is that most people will say "no" thinking they're answering whether they're vegan or not. But, I'll definitely try it
@@veganpowerlab I don’t know, the “principled stance against commodification” might be more powerful for more educated carnists if they are fluent in English, probably the best option is situationally dependent.
@@veganpowerlab This reminded me of our conversation. This activist is fantastic btw: czcams.com/users/shorts3M6yyfLD-Go?si=QGGztj9nSIGUCjUT
The arrogance of the oppressors.. it's so sad to watch.
@dieradikaleveganerin Hi Alexandra, I hope all is well with you 💚. We all need to redouble our efforts to change their thoughts 💚.
@@EarthPoets true! Yes, I have a lot in the making :)) New content coming along your way asap. For the animals
@@dieradikaleveganerin That is good to hear, I look forward to it 💚.
They were a bit arrogant, yes. But, maybe by me being a bit less nice they’ll remember this conversation and make some changes
Thanks Cip. You have them there pushback that they deserved. We are always accused of being in a cult and they showed a complete inability to question what society has programmed them to believe.
That is so very true, Felix! Unfortunately most people don’t question their programming
I'm not talking about justifying my actions based on pleasure... but the only reason I'm going to give for not being vegan is "life is short and I want to eat things I enjoy" 😅 Horrible cognitive dissonance.
Indeed. And it’s even more ridiculous, because vegan food is amazing and far more enjoyable than a boring slab of animal flesh
I liked how you didn't let them get away with it. Didn't shake their hand. Disapproved of their actions. Held them accountable.
I said "have a nice weekend" to a couple of girls last week who said they would kill a dog, fin a shark, shoot a deer, and stab a chimpanzee if it was for food.
Ugh. I think I need to take things more seriously.
@@EarthPoets 🥰
EarthPoets, subbed and I’ll add them to my watchlist
@@veganpowerlab You are a gentleman Cip 😎. Be careful if you are planning outreach in Munich tonight as there is a football match - Germany vs Scotland - and things could get a bit lively 😎.
@@EarthPoets Hey can you just let me know if I'm using CZcams wrong or something? You said to set comms to newest first. Should I do that in my settings before I upload a video? Is that like a 'decent practice' kind of thing? I'm very confused by the comments you left and then deleted. And it seems like I've offended you in some way.
Oh no , it's unrealistic, , or I can't be bothered more like
Sadly true
Oh no the vegan is making since, run awaaaaaay!
Talking about raping animals and eating dogs is making sense? Only in a vegan's delusional mind.
Making since eh?
Seems your diet needs some work.
Including animal products would make SENSE.
@SteversChed why would consuming the flesh and secretions stolen from another sentient being, that increase all cause mortality, including CVD, humans #1 k1ller, help me?
With boys/young men you could ask them what kind of men they want to be.
As in, do they want to be violent? Or, what do you mean?
@@veganpowerlab Do they want to be the kind of men that stand up for their principles and do what is right or the kind that slink into the background and follow the herd. The kind that will defend the innocent or the kind that will look the other way. What kind of men do they want to be?
No one can argue with that big biceps and triceps
Haha.. thanks 🙏 🤗
.. Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes 👈🤥. You don’t hurt your dog 😍🤗🐶🤥. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉… rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉..
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@@NathanBlackberry thank you sweetie ✅😊👍
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Remember to flex when they say there's a nutrient difference. Nice job Cip. Keep er goin
Nice work! Do you engage in these same style conversations with friends and loved ones?
Sometimes, yes
Even though they didn't seem all that receptive, they stuck around long enough for you to make some strong points Cip! I think you challenged them and got them thinking. Moreover, if just one of those guys goes vegan, then more may follow in his footsteps. Anyway, nice work again Cip! 👍🌱💯💚
They indeed stuck around, but I tend to think it was more out of politeness. Let’s hope that the conversation gave them something to think about, though. Thank you so much, Donna 🤗💚
Is different when we in a survival situation
Go Cip! You're awesome 💚💚💚🥺🥺🥺🐮🐮🐮
You definitely got through to him, he wouldn't have stayed as long as he did if you hadn't. He may become vegan down the line and part due to this talk
I hope that he will think about it down the line. Although, I think he was upset I didn’t shake his hand.. haha
"But it is for you. It doesn't matter for everyone in the world." You know a vegan is losing an argument when they ignore a valid argument and try to make it personal.
Which one is the valid argument? That you can exploit animals because other people have to to survive?
@@veganpowerlab That's a rather douchy way to word it, but yes. If some people need to eat animals then veganism does not work.
@@veganpowerlab I wouldn't use those words, but yes. If some people need to eat meat then it completely destroys the main argument of veganism.
Insult me all you want; you are still complicit in the exploitation, abuse and slaughter of sentient individuals and it’s not even needed for you. And you justify it by saying others need it.
Imagine me killing and eating humans by saying “well, the people in the Andies had to resort to cannibalism to survive, so it’s okay”. That is your argument
@@veganpowerlab I'm not insulting you at all. You are the one who is accusing meat eaters of being animal abusers which is quite insulting.
I am not aware of any people that need to eat human meat so I'm not really sure that is a valid example. If there was a person who needed to eat human meat for whatever reason I would say it is probably better for society that that person die than to continue to kill other humans for meat.
With regard to animals however, once you establish that some people need to eat meat then you establish that animals need to be killed for those people to live. Going vegan won't prevent the deaths of any animals, not one. The animals will still be slaughtered and made into meat and if I go vegan it simply means their corpses will rot without being eaten.
Furthermore, you can't dictate that some people are allowed to eat meat and others cannot. That is not the way that society works. Stating that some people can have meat and others can't is clearly discrimination.
great outreach man also good to see someone as jacked as yourself speaking out for the animals
Thank you so much for both the compliments 🤗 hope they reflect on their choices
Hmm, I don't think that this outreach was successful this time. It seemed to reaffirm the stereotype of vegans that those guys had, "the militant vegan." Although they acknowledge they are hypocrites, they left very content in their ignorance, likely forming a bond over their dislike for vegans.
This video also reaffirms my opinion that "Name That Trait" is just highly ineffective, because it's not intuitive to understand. I've seen a lot of activist using it, but in every single case nobody knew what they were talking about, and it often just derailed the conversation.
I sometimes do activism like this also. I don’t know which one is the most effective and we don’t have empirical evidence to prove one or the other, so, best to cover all bases
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You did well. He was a wall of stupid arguments and 0 logic at that time. Hopefully you planted a seed that can grow in his mind towards change. Very strong of you to reject his hand. 👊
Wow how selfish
Indeed. Selfish is the right word
@@veganpowerlab I liked how direct u were
I’m tired off traditional eating people have so much excuses like an Alcoholic would tell I need Alcohol
Pointless. These guys are laggards.
I had to google “laggards”, but, yeah, it does seem to describe them well
so much apathy in those guys over their actions when it comes to harming animals
I don't understand how not shaking his hand is going to make him come to your side for the cause. Seems contraproductive to me. It will probably get yourself applause from the vegan communtiy but not from the outside, who you are trying to get to, I assume.
I think it sends a message. And, it’s not my side. It’s about not exploiting animals.
Why would I want to shake the hand of someone that KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY continues to support the exploitation, abuse and slaughter of sentient individuals?
@@veganpowerlab It depends on what your goal is. If you want to send the message that you dislike people like him and don't want to tolerate his believes it's totally fine. But what is your goal with this? To feel better because you let out your emotions? Then it is totally fine.
But if you have the goal to change someones mind, to make him look up to you and your believes, to take him with you. Then I really doubt that actions like this then will help reaching this goal.
Those people are disgusting, thats why. Until they start showing some respect and compassion.
There are two things to consider here. Sentience in plants. Whether one is OK with the idea of eating something sentient. Veganism is a moral vacuum.
Plants are not sentient
That's a perspective. I don't share it. It's a question of scale.
@@user-vl2qz7cn5v Whether plants are sentient or not is a question of scale? And when you say you don't share this perspective you mean that you believe plants are sentient?
And. Life is a wilful act. If you can't consume a sentient being, well..Jain saints employ haridjans to sweep their path, less they stamp upon an ant. Contemporary veganism doesn't even use the blush veil of the occult.
Yes. Amongst other things, a botanist, and I have no trouble with the notion of sentience in fungi, virae, and so plants. Perceptual scale is a problem for anything reading sentience in another. Veganism is a cuddly toy issue.
I would hardly call that storming off. You started talking about raping animals and killing dogs and he still offered to shake your hand.
Because I’m not the one paying for animals to be raped
@@veganpowerlab Animals have no concept of rape.
It's funny you call them "hypocrites" when you use animal products from the same animals they eat while claiming to be against it.
Maybe you should check the definition of "hypocrisy."
Many things are made with animal products.
Asphalt, some types of money, electronics with processors, motor vehicles, some housing materials, etc...
Weird how you record, edit, and upload videos without using any processors... "hypocrisy"
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while only pretending to be against it?
I will bet my account deletion that you won't answer this fact based question directly and factually.
Eat as much meat as possible 🍖 🥓 🥩
What about the victims?
You compared eating meat to r@p3? Bruh….🤣🤣🤣
Well, how do you think animals get pregnant in the animal industry?
@veganpowerlab you have to be messing around…. Are you this r3+@rd3d?
@@PC-tc5je No, vegans seriously believe that the process of inseminating cows is rape. Then they wonder why normal people think all vegans are crazy.
@@PC-tc5je braindead animal abuser doesn't even know what happens in the industries he supports, what else is new lmao
Let me ask you this. If we did this process to a human female, would it be classified as r@pe? Her being held while someone puts their hand up their anus to hold their cervix and then injects semen in their vagina?