I know, if they are seeing patients and are registered dietitians, a protected title requiring continuous professional development and updating practice to the evidence and bachelor's or master's level qualification, they are qualified.
You're one of the only vegan CZcamsrs that have helped me make the educated decision to be a vegan. No wild claims, extremism, bias, or esoteric crap. Thank you.
Since this comment is 2 years old now, I have to wonder, are you still vegan? And thank you for using that beautiful brain of yours and taking the smart, balanced, and healthy approach to veganism. Happy trails to you!
See this is the difference between you and others: Unnatural vegan: "Hey, you're not getting enough protein." Other vegan YTer: "OMG! We don't need protein! Protein isn't necessary!" Other vegan YTer: "Hey, Unnatural Vegan, you didn't get enough protein that day." UV: "You're right, I didn't get enough protein that day. I'm gonna work on that."
But she's a fucking communist, she'd rather everyone eat nuts and tofurky and follow the science from government. She's just jealous she'll never be as fit as the hclf or raw vegans. She looks old! Must be the nut butters.
Emi Saullo LOL what is this the 1950's red scare? It's funny that you talk about using government junk science, but the moment that the science agrees with these other vegans, they use it as "PROOF." Also, the whole idea that criticizing someone makes you jealous is totally juvenile. I don't see any indication that UV is jealous of other vegans. If we're talking about what the vegans look like, why don't we compare UV's hair to Freelee's? It's much shinier and smoother. She must be a better vegan. Or it could be, you know, genetics... or other factors... People are allowed to disagree. Sometimes the science doesn't even agree. Actually a lot of the time... Grow up.
+Cass E Lol right? Freelee's hair is nowhere near as healthy looking as UV, but does that mean that Freelee isn't healthy? No, neither does UV not fitting someone's standards for appearance means her diet isn't appropriate.
+Cass E She supports force - she supports government vaccinations, clearly. She has a statist-collectivist attitude about her that she thinks that it's best for vegans to all have an open mind and support the meat critics and what have you. She's a shill and I can know STATISM when I see it. Bet dollars to doughnuts she's a feminist, radical vegan, statist.
My wife and I went vegan about 2 weeks ago after seeing Cowspiracy. Given, we have to finish what animal products we had already stored in our cupboards, but we're easily 95% vegan by now. Your channel is our core source for information, morale, and diet ideas. We are metaphysical naturalists with a high interest in science, so your main themes and messages resonate with us wonderfully. Also, we both have a history of food addiction and addictive behavior, so if we were to have began by following one of the LFHC youtubers, I doubt we would have even lasted this long. Looking forward to eating some crazy delicious vegan stew later tonight. Keep up the good work. :)
I'd just like to say that I appreciate you finishing all the animal products instead of throwing them away :) i mean that would be horrible for the environment and a waste of lives, money and resources. And welcome to the vegan community, I hope you'll like it here
+Ray Murphy Cool, keep it up :) You're doing a good thing and as you said - one cannot heal and get away from food addiction when he/she binges on huge amounts of food. I hope you stay on track.
Also, they are quick to befriend and take up for Vegan Gains talking about wanting to kill babies and record his grandpa having a heart attack but God forbid you say vegans need protein, that would just be absurd.
I appreciate that you make all kinds of videos, but this whole Vegan critiquing video response thing is odd. You're the first Vegan I've subscribed to on CZcams. After digging around, it appears that one of the higher trending things for Vegan CZcamsrs to do is make videos about what each other says. I just don't understand it. It would be much more interesting if you set up actual conversations/debates and made joint videos between channels. It would enable extremely constructive conversations that I think would be more beneficial to all. As always though, I do enjoy your scientific approach.
+TheDaddyExperience I actually think the video response video format works better. I like this video because her points are concise and backed up by facts and research -- conversations/debates tend to get more heated and even when they don't, it is harder to include all the specific facts and sources the way you can in a video response. You are right about this being a thing that a lot of vegan youtubers are doing, but I also think it's kind of important for them to hold each other accountable if they seem to be putting misinformation out there when they have a large following who will take them at their word.
+lannapeanut I agree that misinformation is everyone's enemy. Going back and forth disproving each other is just a clumsy and slow process. In the end, everyone has the same main focus and beliefs. Having a live discussion about it would just be a lot more interesting.
+TheDaddyExperience It is because you cannot have a normal conversation with highly indoctrinated people like a lot of people in the HCLFV-cult are. Freelee and Unnatural Vegan around the same table? Hahaha, that will never happen...
+Andreas von T. I agree, It's pretty messed up that anyone that doesn't worship at the alter of freelee and DR are instantly slammed and treated like they are some kind of evil person. UV is great, keep bringing the truth!
Partly, yes, but her way of veganism is eat the meat (soy) and science created junk food, she makes a case for it. Eat whatever you want, but her approach is extremely individualistic and pseudo-packed nonsense.
You must blindly worship freelee or else you are being criticized by freelees messengers haha There are many ways to be a vegan, find what makes sense to you. You feel good with cooked vegan proteins - Go for it. You feel good without proteins - Go for it. Just stick to being a vegan!
+Emi Saullo considering the high rate of vegan recidivism something like 70%, presenting what could be more sustainable options seems like a good idea.
It's funny because I feel like other youtubers are targeting Swayze because they think she makes this stuff up. What's the point of that? She actually wants to be giving her body what it needs and does the research so that she can eat accordingly. Ignorantly following a specific type of vegan diet won't make it right just because you believe it feels like the best. There is actual science behind what we need to be eating. So UV, thanks for being a dependable and unbiased source of information!
+Alexis B Also, one day with 50 grams of protein is not a huge deal. It would be a better argument to look at the overall average of protein you eat on the majority of days, which would make the average higher. You're not saying that you eat the perfect desired quantities every day, but you're doing a better job at getting the protein you do need overall.
Much respect for your Vegan education battle skills. A willingness to admit when your wrong while standing strong on your principals is very commendable(and educational).
It's so typical that people have come to this video and criticized it by demanding anecdotes - "Show me someone with a protein deficiency!" - when you've clearly stated the troublesome nature of anecdotes.
I have to applaud you for your candor, and your willingness to look at the science objectively. So many vegans are blinded by dogma that they will cite poor science, or resort to using fallacious lines of reasoning to justify their stance. Those sorts of vegans - like Happy Healthy Vegan, Freelee, and Durianrider - are what makes veganism so repellent to an individual who is contemplating a dietary change.
+drewlikesrice It's because she's called him out in the past. She's created quite a lot of tension between vegans because of the way she treats other vegan youtubers.
+a3rialst4rr Calling out bullshit when you know it's bullshit is not disrespectful. Especially when you provide Citations to actual research and not links to A news letter sent out by a Vegan Doctor who runs a million dollar Vegan Food company,(McDougal) or is a shill for the very corrupt HSUS (Geiger).
She also just doesn't like the way others present the vegan message. Even though without them a lot of us wouldn't be here, including herself. So, they're obviously doing something right and for her to bash on them because of the way they present the message is kind of stupid. I'm still a subscriber, I still love Swayze lol I just think the drama she causes is pretty ridiculous
temper tantrum....jeez, these vegans obssessed with fitness are such babies. They can't tolerate any criticism...so much for the pacifist and compassion parts....
also Swayze, you don't need to meet the standards of nutrition every single day ;) just most days. Our bodies are strong enough to deal with a few food sins :P (aka chocolate!)
+Tren Muscle Workout as you are probably not a hunter gatherer you really do not need to hunt for food so pretty pointless the suffering you inflict on the animals. Regarding raw eggs, salmonella is not a pretty food poisoning and you are wilfully exposing yourself to it so good luck on that part
I like how you pointed out his logical fallacies. Anecdotal and genetic falacies were good examples. I subscribed immediately halfway through the video. He says that too much protein can cause the accumulation of toxic protein byproducts. When the body has too much protein, the liver simply converts the remaining unused protein into glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis.
I'm not vegan I'm a vegetarian, but your videos are the only ones I trust, and have influenced me to slowly transition into veganism. THANK YOU for being one of few honest, helpful, and subjective vegans on CZcams :)
Why are all the vegan youtubers bashing each other? I don't understand it, I thought us vegans were supposed to be compassionate and kind to all beings?
+Finding Fay It's disappointing, to say the least. There are a lot of conspiracy-minded dogmatic vegans present on CZcams (moreso in the comments), unfortunately. I just hope they don't become representative of the vegan community as a whole and contribute to the downfall of it. I've seen it happen to other communities on CZcams that I used to love (i.e. the atheist community) that just took a sharp, rapid downward turn because of people like that..
+Finding Fay It is the disease of this society. People feel inadequate about themselves and it is passed on to everyone else. That is why you get these "I know more than they do" when they really mean to say is "I don't understand" or "I disagree." I do not agree with this back and forth videos without first discussing it with the other person. It makes them appear petty, or unkind, and that is not what I wish to allow. I like these people, but I don't like the way they go about their methods. It is disappointing.
compassion and kindness aren't determined by a lack of critical debate. how else can we grow and learn as a community? everyone must learn to argue respectfully and these videos allow us to hold each other accountable for the things we say, which is a crucial element when serving as a figure for public reference on something as important as diet and lifestyle.
+Finding Fay I think she is afraid to go after or even criticize meat eater diet, so she has to get views somehow... so popular vegan channels are the answer.
I used to be subscribed to HHV but had to unsubscribe when it seemed like they ran out of original content to produce and just started making videos attacking other vegans. I really don't understand why they can't just leave you be and spread the vegan message to non vegans with their videos. You make original, helpful content that is useful for new vegans and long time vegans alike. This is pretty much the only vegan youtube channel I can stand to watch anymore. The vegan youtube community is turning into a big joke.
Oh great not you again. This "unnatural vegan" is plant based at best, and even that's shaky. Given her strong preference away from plants, I wouldn't call her vegan whatsoever.
@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 What is this assumption based on? I've seen what she says she eats, she loves plants and some foods processed from plants as well. Even if she didn't, why would this make her not a vegan? Vegan just means not consuming animal products, unless to you, it also means being a part of a cult where you all have to think and act the same and agree with each other or else you're not a part of it.
+MarcoGorelli "Science-based" - haha!! she didn't cited one study in this video explaining why do you need *that* much protein or even explained what will be the results of eating a bit less (let me tell you - none!!). She is just relying on ONE RD that says it's a "good idea" to eat more protein - ignoring the long line of experts saying it doesnt matter that much (prof T. Colin Campbell, for example). It's amazing how all of you see her as such a science guru when she doesn't even bother to back up her claims with actual science.
I have to agree with you. You do your research and I like that. I'm on route to becoming a RD so I'm learning the basics of nutrition and a lot of what you say in your videos is what I am learning in my classes. One thing that is pretty annoying is when people try to give advice on nutrition but know nothing about nutrition or have false information. It's about your total average protein intake, one day of not getting enough should be fine. I'm sure you are getting enough protein. I have a request! Could you do a video about how fat is also very important. I know a lot of people are not on the HCLF lifestyle anymore because they were eating too little fat and feel a lot better eating more fat (I'm still talking relatively low fat - around 10-15% instead of 5%).
It's SO true, I speak from my experience. I felt so weak and deprived when I wasn't getting enough protein on a vegan diet. JUST eating whole plant foods and not paying attention to any nutrient intake does not ensure you will get enough protein. I am living proof. I have to plan all my meals to make sure I get enough protein. I didn't need to do that as a non-vegan because like you state, the protein in animals is more concentrate and more easily absorbed (that doesn't mean animal products are inherently better). On a vegan diet I have to pay more attention to my protein, zinc, iron, omega 3 fatty acids and calcium because it is more challenging to obtain enough of them... BUT, I'm glad to do it. There's no harm in saying that a vegan diet is a fairly new diet /in the course of history/ and that it does currently require planning to meet our needs. If we don't accept this fact, we won't be able to move forward with veganism.
"Let's watch how fit Freelee is" All I saw was a very very thin woman who did not look good at all, especially in the clip where she was cycling. Personally I don't think that's how a healthy person looks like - she cycles as much as a pro cyclist but still seems to have pretty small leg muscles, especially calves. Well, enough of that, people are different etc. etc. Thanks for making another great video :) I still can't but admire how concise and calm you are with your response videos.
+beebikinis Freelee is seen on video passing a bunch of men up a hill. She's biked across Aust. What people don't get is - most peoples' muscle is big because it's marbled with fat. Not so for low-fat eaters.
+beebikinis What happened to your other reply? I'm just trying to inform people(4 vids on this protein debate). If you don't care for my explanation.......that just 1 of 12 points. Poeple in society have a warped view of what normal is because society doesn't live normally. I've been eating low-protein for 7 years. I'm not as thin as Freelee because she's an endurance athlete(they're really skinny). And for muscle, see "Hardest Push-Up On the Planet"
I have the impression that some vegans refuse anything that comes close to saying that animal products do better than vegetals in some areas. Example : animal products give more proteins than plants, so if one is vegan he must not need proteins that much.
It's the extremist mentality of the Internet. If you say drowning puppies is bad then you'll get a bunch of angry people saying to you oh but you think it's OK to drown kittens?! The individual responding is attempting to say that because you argues about one thing then you must be opposed to this other thing...even though you can believe both things are wrong. I'm pretty sure it's a logical fallacy I am just not certain what it's called. Anyways you see it all the fing time on the Internet, especially when it comes to politics.
+AlineGautier but animal protein is what has specifically been shown to help the cancer process along, not plant proteins. Also you get all the added hormones/mercury with protein if it comes from animals.
You're wasting your time trying to tell this that anecdotal 'evidence' isn't evidence. He believed someone had cured their cancer by becoming vegan. Also, I don't think a blood test is representative of 8 years of dieting. She hasn't had the same blood in her for that entire time
Elitist? Want to talk about elitist? How about supporting pro vaccinations, being an apologist, supporting pseudo science and then acting as if you're on some high moral ground? That's unnatural vegan. She thinks she's a moral goddess with science based evidence, she's the elitist. The other guys on CZcams are working class, they don't go further than encouraging you to eat a diet of rice and potatoes. This fucking dork is saying meat doesn't cause cancer and now fuckwits are chewing cheeseburgers and Tofurky pizzas on weekends. She's the elitist, she's the individualistic snob.
+Emi Saullo I think you're confused. Having anti-vaccination stances is the pseudo science, not the other way around. Are you having a bad day, friend? Have a coffee and go lie down. I'll tuck you in.
+peachTplum No, being anti-vaccination is a choice - I don't care if it intrudes with your autonomy. I'm not going to send armed guards (the state) to kidnap you and throw you in the state. If you support vaccinations, that's fine, but you cross the line when you present that the state ought to be responsible of other people's choices. This is where I'm going at - and UV is a statist in that sense. I knew it from the get-go, she comes off a staunch government/corporate supporter (GMOs, Vaccinations, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised if she were a communist of some sort.
It's ok, friend. You are clearly very confused. It's not the 1950s anymore. You can rest easy without the communism fear mongering. Drink some tea and have a nap.
This Happy Healthy Vegan guy actually isn't that happy and very misinformed. Especially some fruitarians I've seen look like they suffer from some muscle wasting to me, tbh. You are providing a great service to educated vegans who want to remain healthy. Veganism can make one deficient in more than just protein, so do your homework. Yes soy protein isolate is a great way to fortify a vegan diet with protein. Soy protein *isolate* is fine (at 90% protein bv) when compared to the profile of whey, higher amount of BCAAs and glutamine, only lower in the amino methionines. And yes, there are enough studies that demonstrate that healthy athletic individuals require .82g/lb or 1.8g/kg to maintain optimal muscle mass. Btw, subbed.
Videos like this are why I am subscribed to you. I love it when you just whip out the evidence and hand people a big bag of nope. makes me giggle with glee inside.
High-carb Low-protein diet is NEVER good! A Big NO-NO! And plant-based protein is the best option. Lentils and Legumes all the way everyday ! Nuts too btw
I just tried to write a whole thing about why I liked this video- and your channel- so much, but it got a bit rambly and boring. In a nutshell though, I love your educated, insightful, evidence based, no nonsense approach videos. Thanks for all you do!
They just want to support there heavy fruit diet. its not hard to eat a cup of lentils. "whopping 58 gram" haha ffs.¨ The biggest problem with him is that he discrediting other types of vegan diets by saying eating to much protein is bad for you.
As a public figure representing this kind of lifestyle... I am so happy you use real data and references for the information you provide to CZcams. It's your's, as well as all other vegan you tubers, responsibility to provide CORRECT information. So many people, including me, have used CZcams as a guide for transitioning into veganism. I followed Freelee and fully raw but not until I found your channel was I able to maintain a vegan diet for over a month. Thanks for the videos and dietary information! I wish more people followed you to learn about proper nutrition (not just vegan nutrition but overall nutrition)
Freelea blood test isn't going to prove anything because he body will take protein from her muscles and organs to keep levels normal. Freelea is pretty thin but she does long distance excercise. What she's doing is working for her but definitely wouldn't recommend it for the average person who is not doing long distance training almost daily or eat as many calories as she does.
+Spoo Rin When the body does not get enough protein or while fasting the body does break down muscle tissue this is not even controversial, it is common knowledge. In fact it was though that you should not exercise while fasting to protect you muscles from additional loss in the process but recent studies have been done that show you loose the same amount of muscle during the fast whether you exercise or not. I have no idea if freelee is getting enough protein long term or not, if she feels good doing and can perform in her athletics than we may assume she is meeting her bodies needs, but sometimes loss of certain things is accumulative and she could find in 5 years she is not able to do things she can do now and find at that point she needs to add more protein. It is know that elderly people need higher levels of protein for example, the assumption is that their body is not doing as good of job metabolising protein but like so many things in life that is an assumption. Ultimately we all have unique genetics and environments to deal with and we are each a living experiment in progress.
***** Eventually, it will break down muscle tissue. The body conserves protein as muscle tissue. What you don't want is for things to get to the point where it takes protein from vital organs. Just go to that section in your biology text book.
i've seen some old footage of freelee where she looks like she is deficient (one common thing is swollen cheeks'no matter how little body fat you have) she used to be only raw back them, hence less bio available nutrients in her diet.
That is when she first went vegan. she was overweight and came from a high salt diet. when the body purges, it enters the bloodstream and can cause water weight.
Kayla Carpenter i don't believe that is the reason but of course it's impossible to know unless we had 100 % true facts about her diet, weight, height, amount of exercise at that time. i just always linked those cheeks with protein deficiency since she was so so skinny already.
I'm glad that you guys can go back and forth cause I feel like it keeps you guys honest. well, hopefully. clearly here you admitted to not always getting the recommended amount, as stated in your last video. I wonder if he will concede that certain foods have protein that is less bioavailable or that bioavailability might impact a vegan diet with low protein? I found the "I've never heard of them" comment rather silly. it is fallacious to say someone can't be taken seriously because they aren't famous. -.-
The problem is that most Americans are getting too much protein. Protein in excess is hard on the kidneys. Plant or animal sources. I have never heard of anyone who has had a protein deficiency in American. Even oranges have protein. My wife, and I have been vegan for 23 years, and we have never had any deficiencies. We have greatly enjoyed better health, and energy on the vegan diet. Our diet is whole foods plant based. I suppose if you are a vegan eating only donuts, and sodas. You will have adverse health effects. I do not think Ryan is advocating not eating beans or nuts. In fact he advocates a very diverse whole foods vegan diet We have nuts, and legumes in our diet every week. It is just part of our natural vegan diet. I am 60 years old, my wife is 57, and we both weight the same as we did when we got married 33 years ago. 150/87 lbs No heart disease, diabetes, arthritis,, cancer, or any of the other maladies that have effected our peers, and family members who eat the SAD diet. We enjoy a happy active lifestyle. Veganism has worked for us, and we really don't have to worry about any deficiencies. Blood tests have shown that.
I LOVE your scientific and easy approach! You're the first person to have made me stay vegan for longer than a week here and a week there. Thank you so much for your videos!
+Mr Jonathan She doesn't NEED to prove Freelee is deficient. Just look at those legs compared to Trisha Paytas. PLUS, she an anecdote. And you know what that means.
You know what's REALLY ridiculous?!? These petty, bullshit nit picking arguments between different vegan youtube channels. Come on already!! A lot of us are new vegans and we want info on how to sustain our new lifestyle. How does bitching and picking apart what another vegan says help us at all? How do you expect us to be vegan when the only example we seem to be getting is two people bitching about what the other one says? Live your life, let them live theirs and as long as they aren't hurting people, planet or animals, leave em alone!!!! Sheesh! I'm going back to Lilly and her Legit Nutrition Hawaii channel. Screw this, "No, you're wrong, no, you're wrong" crap. Unsubscribe.
Her original video was talking about the protein lysine. It was basically a helpful reminder reminding people that if you don't eat legumes or other good sources of lysine that you may be lacking this particular protein and she used other youtuber videos to show that even though they are eating a normal vegan diet that they were still vulnerable to being low on lysine. (She also showed in her video one or two items they could have replaced in their diet to help them reach their recommended lysine requirement) It really wasn't meant to be controversial in the first point, just meant to be helpful.
Protein is a giant buzz word with one goal in mind - to sell protein powder shakes. Period. A new born baby only drinks mothers milk, and is transformed from an infant that cannot hold up its head to a walking toddler in a few months. Eight ounces of mother's milk has 2.5 grams of protein. If the newborn drank 24 ounces of milk each day that would mean the total consumption of under ten grams of protein a day. At no time in a human's life will there be a greater need for more protein to make muscles, bone and brain matter than as a new baby. My theory is that adult humans don't need a lot of protein - unless of course you sell protein powders for a living.
I'm good with what McDougall recommends on his sites or lectures. Frankly, he has the experience and reads the resources, needless to say the MD and has helped thousands. I like your sarcasm better, though.
WOW vegan for life is a book suggested by Dr. Greger for anyone looking to conceive a child and this DB spouts spouts off with this "I haven't heard of them!" sounds like I dont have to finish watching to know he don't know shit... I'm looking forward to the rest
Just look at that guy, he's a skeleton. And it's clearly not because of his metabolism or anything. And that freelee girl... yeah, she's not "fit", just skinny as hell.
+Jose luis "Freelee isn't fit"??? She can beat most men up a hill; biked across Aust. Ryan is a runner (they are super thin). You're being UNscientific, assuming we lose muscle on 10% protein. We are not. I'm stronger now. See my latest video for the logic & sources for 5-10% protein.
I'm a baby vegan. Only 4 months, coming from 26 years of vegetarianism. I started out on the 80/10/10 diet, but I was secretly going for 90/5/5 because after reading what some guru wrote, I errantly thought low protein and fat was healthier. I always ate too much protein when I tallied up my macronutrients. Now my mother, who was initially very supportive and went vegetarian at the same time, thinks veganism is too restrictive. Thanks for this video knocking me in the head and showing me I can eat whatever I want or need ( more beans) and be a totally respectable vegan. Peace to the animals.
If only people knew thy didn't have to eat 0% fat and still lose weight and be healthy on a vegan diet. Many more would stay vegan. I feel like that alone harms veganism.
Happyhealthyvegan reminds me of the South Park episode where people inhaled their own farts. They have this way about them that makes them un relatable
Ive been subbed for a while and I enjoy your informative videos... but whats the purpose of diligently going through what other vegans eat (as if you are a register dietician or medical professional), take the time to calculate their diets, and make it seem like vegans can't get all nutrients by eating similarly to how those youtubers eat? You know they look healthy, glow with happiness, and are physically fit right? You have all the right to make videos on what ever you want, but what kind of message is this sending? I just got bad vibes from this, as if you are saying your information and lifestyle is right and theirs is wrong and not long term. We should promote how EASY and SIMPLE it is to eat vegan, not how scary it could be to not get nutrients. Non vegans can be JUST as deficient if they aren't watching what they eat. Just another point you mentioned... is that protein is way more satisfying... Well why is it that people go on high protein diets (like all body builders and fitness models) and are constantly fighting cravings from not having enough carbs? if protein is filling, why do the cravings? Why do we desire carbs ? Carbs are satisfying, filling, and ALSO contain protein. We can't really set a rule for how much eat person actually absorbs, so no source is accurate because food combining and the persons health has a lot to do with it. If you consume about 80g of protein for a woman who doesn't even lift or is super active... that is way too much. Any source on google is roughly 45-50g for women.. and i believe around 55g for men. I do agree with those low figures of 20g are way to low...
+Natasha Paletta Education is important. A vegan diet done the wrong way could lead to ppl quitting the diet. It happens all the time. Some become anemic, some say they felt tired/weak on a vegan diet. Clearly these ppl were doing something wrong. If there was a hole in your diet wouldn't you want to know? I know I would. "You know they look healthy, glow with happiness, and are physically fit right?" You could say the same about meat eaters :) But I think you would argue that some aspects of their diets are unhealthy. "You have all the right to make videos on what ever you want, but what kind of message is this sending?" Many vegans will say "lol protein". She is correcting that message by saying you do in fact need a certain amount of protein/lysine. Not meeting these requirements will lead to deficiencies which will lead to health problems. She could ignore this, but imo, it would be morally wrong to stay silent, especially when all the vegans preach lol protein. "I just got bad vibes from this, as if you are saying your information and lifestyle is right and theirs is wrong and not long term. " No, she is saying their diets are great, and the foods they are eating look delicious, but they just need to add some beans or legumes to their diet. She is just trying to help, she is not attacking anyone. "Non vegans can be JUST as deficient if they aren't watching what they eat. " Yea, obviously. But this is a vegan channel, so it will address common vegan deficiencies.
Thanks for breaking down my post. I understand your interpretation of the video, but not everyone will take it like you. When you try to nit pick on people promoting a vegan diet and point out their flaws and label it "education," I would argue that the person better be licensed or have experience on the subject. Not just assume a person is not getting enough of anything based off a random video and inaccurate chronometer calculations. I agree with your point you made that meat eaters can also look healthy on the outside, but not on the inside... I get it. I get your perspective, however, my main point that I was trying to make is that she is pointing out the flaws in all these vegans and failing to realize her own. I personally don't like the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude because she's not a medical professional or RD or anything that would give her authority to analyze a persons diet to the smallest of details and tell people it's not enough. So many factors we are missing... For example, what if the person eats lower protein than recommended on one day and another it's higher? What about absorption and food combining? She can't say a person is not getting enough lysine or protein based off a handy dandy app and ONE day of eating. We don't always get ALL our nutrients in one day. To me, saying "do as I say not as I do" is not helpful because why would I listen to someone who can't even practice what they preach? Why would I listen to someone who is just showing me info off the Internet, and cherry picking their own diet to present themselves as the all knowing protein expert. I think it is great she is addressing something of concern, but she is doing it by throwing people (with high subs, always) under the bus. Always by making other vegans look like they don't know what they are doing. Like their lifestyle is not "long-term." Information is great, but there's no need to criticize other vegans because of protein. I would hope any one watching ANY videos on the Internet wouldn't just follow advice from someone and copy someone else's lifestyle (like the you tubers mentioned) when we all have different needs for our goals and health. Another one of my thoughts, is that I could make a video on Unnatural Vegan and input one of her "what I ate" videos or compile a few days and then break down her food options and critique everything she eats, explain why it's not sustainable, good, heathy, or long term and back up my claims from sources on the Internet. OR I can make a video on some one who needs to hear the vegan message and whose diet consists of animal products. I don't know, which seems more productive for the animals? Telling people they need to watch their protein, or telling people try a vegan lifestyle for your Heath, animals, and planet? For an animal lover, I never see her address any kind animal suffering in her videos. What I do see is a lot of criticizing of other vegans and a lot of siding and comforting with meat eaters. Starting to see what other people are talking about when it comes to her videos. Im sure I'm not the only one who feels like she tries to say the right things so MORE people will agree with her. It's cool that she has a lot of non vegans on her channel, but we can educate with out resorting to telling popular you tubers their diet is lacking in a nutrient. Protein is funny to vegans, because people make a huge deal about getting a ton of it! Eating enough calories and a variety of foods should get you your protein, but of course it's important to track it and make sure it's enough for your body and goals. Like I said, these are my opinions, and just like she disagrees with how everyone else does things, her viewers may sometimes disagree with her. ☺️
Thanks for the reply :) "I personally don't like the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude" Yea, if she is being a hypocrite then you have a right to be upset. But I doubt she is being a hypocrite. The guy cherry picked one of her "what I eat in a day" videos. Now, you may argue that she is doing the same to these girls, but I don't agree, and I will explain later. "So many factors we are missing... For example, what if the person eats lower protein than recommended on one day and another it's higher?" You are right, maybe that was just a low protein/lysine day for them. However, this is very unlikely, and I will explain why. Many of these girls follow an 80/10/10 lifestyle. So most of these women will be avoiding nuts, seeds, vegan milks, and vegan meats because they are higher in fat. So for their lysine needs that pretty much only leaves beans. And if you look through their videos you will see they rarely eat beans. These videos were not cherry picked, they represent their typical diet. "I think it is great she is addressing something of concern, but she is doing it by throwing people (with high subs, always) under the bus." Even though I don't see it as throwing ppl under the bus, I can understand how one may feel that she is attacking them. A better approach would be to discuss protein and lysine needs without accusing xyz as being deficient. She likely used them to gain more views, and it is also just better to have example diets to show that protein/lysine deficiency is more of a concern than ppl think. "I would hope any one watching ANY videos on the Internet wouldn't just follow advice from someone and copy someone else's lifestyle (like the you tubers mentioned) when we all have different needs for our goals and health." Unfortunately, there are a lot of young girls(13-17) that watch these videos. Many will end up eating a similar diet. Many will think, she looks happy, she has a great body, this diet must be healthy! "Another one of my thoughts, is that I could make a video on Unnatural Vegan and input one of her "what I ate" videos or compile a few days and then break down her food options and critique everything she eats, explain why it's not sustainable, good, heathy, or long term and back up my claims from sources on the Internet." If you think she is consistently lacking in a key nutrient, and you think many others are lacking in that same nutrient then it would be totally reasonable to make such a video. "OR I can make a video on some one who needs to hear the vegan message and whose diet consists of animal products." I don't think it has to be one or the other. "I don't know, which seems more productive for the animals?" I think both are. Discussing health makes sure ppl stay on a vegan diet which is beneficial for the animals. Discussing animal suffering, brings up the moral argument which will lead many to become vegan. "For an animal lover, I never see her address any kind animal suffering in her videos." That's fair, she def talks less about animal suffering than most vegan youtubers, but she def is an ethical vegan. "Im sure I'm not the only one who feels like she tries to say the right things so MORE people will agree with her." What do you mean by "say the right things"? Also, it clearly isn't working because many disagree with her :) Saying you need more protein will just enrage vegans because most vegans say "lol protein." "It's cool that she has a lot of non vegans on her channel, but we can educate with out resorting to telling popular you tubers their diet is lacking in a nutrient." Yea, I think that's fair. Some, maybe even most, will be insulted if you critique their diets. We can educate without insulting one another/ Oh, and I love your videos Natasha, keep up the good work! I am a big fan! I also think Unnatural Vegan is great as well, but then again I like all the vegans :)
For some reason I just had a bad vibe from this video, it was weird. I usually always can relate or agree with her on some level, but after your very well written breakdowns and different perspective, I can see where her concerns were. I don't mind if she makes videos on big accounts, just don't agree that we should pick on vegans ... The reason being because left and right people are saying they aren't vegan anymore because of vegans criticIzing them and making them feel like nothing is good enough. I think that's why this turned me off, because it's yet another thing vegans can't get right... Is their protein ahaha I don't know what's up with the sensitivity that people feel like they need to abandon their ethics because of mean comments . Sighhhh Thanks for your reply, I understand the purpose of her video now I get why it's important. It's a great point, and I guess I never thought about it because I don't eat like most vegans lol. I eat a variety :) I notice that Essena eats vegan junky foods in her videos ever since being in LA, so that's why I mentioned that her calculations may be off. Seriously you watched my videos? Haha that's awesome thank you! I love sharing what I know to hopefully help others, more recently I've been trying to do topics like these though because it engages people more ! So hopefully it will inspire others to make better choices 🌿
+Karm A all the ones I've ever come across that are not high carb, eat like that. It may be a generalization because I don't personally know every body builder, but I followed quite a few fitness models/body builders on snap and I see exactly how they eat. Paige Hathaway was my absolute favorite! But she eats low carb around the clock with occasional cheat meals and always high protein / small portions. All these people always crave extreme things, and that's how they fulfill it... By "treating themselves" to cheat meals. Nothing new , it's all over
As for plant proteins Michael Gregger said that only whole plant proteins are safe in excess. This means that isolated plant proteins like TVP, Seitan and protein powders are no better than animal protein.
Love this channel! Keep up the good work! We need more nice/well informed/health promoting Vegans like you. The world is sick of the nasty finger pointing vegan.
I'm not a vegan but I thought your video was very good. I had just finished watching Ryan's video when I saw you response. Way to go!! It's important to be very careful of what you eat if you want to be a vegan. Anyone could live off french fries and white bread vegetarian sandwiches and claim to be a vegan. However, their health would suffer tremendously. When one of my daughters was 13 she suddenly decided that eating animals was a bad thing to do. She got very anemic as a result and our family doctor told her to start eating meat again. Thankfully she listened to him. If You Tube had been around in those days, your videos would have been a wonderful tool.
Thank you Swayze! I really appreciate what you brought across about the bioavailability of the macronutrient protein, in a whole food plant based diet, taking a high carb or starch based diet into account.
in the video you said "Freelee is active and has good blood test results and so we don't have to worry about protein?" --- you then said "anecdotes are stories" .... my question is are you saying that her blood test results showing her protein levels are in the accepted range is just anecdotal evidence or did you just ignore that part in your response ? Sure to say someone looks healthy is generally anecdotal but combined with medical tests showing her protein levels are fine kinda means you either don't believe the test is accurate or you chose to ignore it..
+Hannah R so exactly how does your response address the question I posed ? your analogy of a 100 year old smoker is purely anecdotal which is precisely what this channel is about trying to avoid...So you either believe in the test result "process" or you do not. Freelee could certainly be eating things that keep her levels to be where they are that don't make it on her what I eat in a day videos like potatoes etc. so to single her raw till 4 practice out as a way to prove she is protein deficient based on cherry picking the days that "make her #'s look bad" which is still highly debatable is anecdotal itself....p.s Raw till 4
***** lol -- "You can't make sweeping conclusions using such a small sample size" UV's video itself used a small sample (women only) and only a few cherry picked days to "make the #'s work" in her favor..... come on.....
***** I appreciate your long thought out response -- that said you are one example that didn't work for some reason --I on the other hand have found it DOES work for me after many years --- Again I believe you are misinterpreting what RT4 is.... If in the afternoon you eat potatoes, rice, beans, lentils etc. you will NOT be protein deficient even with those elevated #'s UV is touting we should be getting....and to be clear a person does not need the things I mentioned above if they eat more of the raw foods throughout the day though I choose to eat those afternoon things more for variety and NOT for protein though of course it means I get even more protein..... To me the root of the issue is that there is a stigma meat/dairy eaters have attached to being vegan as a reason they CANT go "whole foods" because they will lack protein which is categorically wrong and videos like UV's "protein deficiency" video only serves to ingrain that vegan / wholefood = protein deficient mindset regardless of her ?good? intentions....
+Rebecca W. actually the Okinawan diet is rich in vegetables and seafood (Most seafood is protein so it wouldn't be low in protein) For some reason they don't seem to count Fish as a meat..... But fish is actually a meat and fish is one of the primary protein sources in the Okinawan Diet. I just thought you should know... yeah... Fish are made of meat.
+Darkeklaw also, according to nutritionfacts.org, epidemiological studies show that diets high in carbohydrate and low in fat and protein are associated with lower levels of depression and anxiety and have beneficial effects on psychological well-being. so high carb is better for your mind!
+Darkeklaw Nope, according to www.okicent.org, the total average percentage of protein in the Okinawan diet was 9%, Fat was 6%, and carbohydrate was 85%. Sodium was also 1115mg, and potassium 5199mg
+Darkeklaw You're making stuff up. Okinawans didn't eat a diet high in fish.
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+Rebecca W. What Okinawans primarily eat is a diet low or non existent of processed foods. Focusing on diet is cute but there are other powerful factors such as stress (lack thereof), Karate Do and Okinawa Te, lifestyle, healthy attitude toward aging (older age means improvement not the end of life), productivity, no debt, a sense of community, fresh air, clean water, not getting vaccinated for every fucking thing, strong families, no mercury fillings in the mouth, AND GENETICS!!!... I'm sure you can add more to this list.
As I earlier commented, the Freelee army was going to come out to get you when you published the original video on protein/lysine. Good job on your retorts thus far. I think it is priceless that Ryan is citing the WHO especially since HCLF vegans don't follow their recommendations for a healthy diet. I also haven't found where the WHO references any of McDougall's studies/papers on their site though he (Ryan) seems to be intermingling facts from the WHO and McDougall as though they are connected.
Freelee and HHV both look underweight in an unhealthy way. And I say that as someone who is barely touching her ideal weight, and for twenty some odd years (I'm 46) from her teens was ten to fifteen pounds under her minimum ideal weight. In other words, I used to look like them. (Maybe I'm biased and still do, lol.) Glad you are a fan of the vegan RDs - I just bought their book b/c I am a twice-failed vegan and finally realized that if I would just GET THE NUTRITION RIGHT (including enough protein!) and IGNORE ALL THE "GURUS" who have ZERO formal training in nutrition, and instead listen to someone who actually knows what they are talking about (like an R.D.), I could finally be a "Vegan For Life."
When I was a kid maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 kids was what we considered "overweight", and what I remember as overweight then is what most kids look like now. There was also maybe 1 kid in an entire class (sometimes none) who we might have considered "fat". Now it seems that level of "fat" is everywhere. It's common where once it was rare. "Overweight" is the norm now. Freelee and HHV appear perfectly normal and fit to me. Maybe your perception is colored more by your environment than you know. Social norms have shifted and our perceptions have shifted with it. We have plus size models breaking into the mainstream and "fat shaming" is a thing. "Normal" is only healthy in a healthy population. Obesity and diabetes are epidemics in our country that is going to kill so many people in a few decades that our rising life expectancy may decline. "Normal" does not equal healthy in an unhealthy society, and unhealthy we are.
You know, that could be. And I'll admit that now that I've seen more of HHV's videos, he does look fine. Haven't watched too much of Freelee, though, b/c I don't care for the language she uses. But I will concede your point and accept your correction, Andrew. :)
RE: His critique of you only eating 49g of protein one day: Just because you didn't hit your protein goal that day doesn't make the science behind protein requirements wrong. Those two things are unrelated. It seems as though he's using your personal one-day slip up to fuel his counterargument to the data you previous presented. Which is not cool.
Real scientific facts! Thank you! I love how you keep it real, and you are not afraid to speak the truth. Your channel is perfect for people thinking about becoming vegan, newly vegan (that's me!) or have been vegan for many years. Please don't ever change! :)
As a registered dietitian myself I'm shocked at Ryan's lack of evidence based information! As a student we were made to calculate protein needs and we all learned the plants based protein is less bioavailable and vegan need more protein because if this. Where was he in these classes? And dont get me started on freelees lab interpretation and "5%" protein needs. Wtf?
+Shelley McDonald I don't know about these dietitians, but I've had a look around on some Australian Government websites. They seem vastly more concerned about over consumption of protein, but they still say it's important to get around .75 grams per kilo of of body weight, more for pregnant woman, and the elderly etc. To summarize, basically if you consume to much protein and animal products your internal organs will fall out of your arse! If you don't get enough protein or you have an unbalanced protein profile, you'll have lower muscle mass, crappy looking skin, and be irritable with manky hair. They also state that protein requirements and specific amino acid requirements vary a LOT between individuals, so the recommendations are there to cover everyone, so if many people can get by on half the recommended amount then that's not surprising. Of course if some people have issues eating slightly less than the recommended amount that too isn't surprising. I know that eating relatively low protein made it very hard for me to stick to 100% vegan. Increasing protein rich plant foods really helps, or at least it really helps me. What UNV says makes sense, what Ryan says is understandable but in my humble opinion is a slight oversimplification and isn't applicable to everyone as a significant percentage of the population do have slightly higher protein needs. As always, your mileage may very - peace and good will.
The only reason Ryan mentioned Freelee is because you mentioned her first. Saying that anecdotes aren't evidence - a position I agree with - is nice. Maybe you should stop doing that too.
Ryan comes across as a bit slimy. The obsession with protein is his own, as well as the 90-5-5 people. Perhaps it's because they are confronted by meat-eaters who keep asking "where do you get your proteins" or "You don't get enough proteins". But just in general, his issue with UN, and misrepresenting her, just seems personal (and irrational).
Dr Dean Ornish and Dr John McDougall have in the talks I have attended , noted that vegans do need more protein and that many are not getting enough because they have not done their homework and learned where vegan protein is found. And like it or not many vegans cannot afford to spend $100 a week of fresh fruits and vegetable as some vegan CZcamsrs show off. So beans, lentils do need to be stressed more as a part of a daily vegan lifestyle. Here us Der McDougalls take on protein drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/protein.htm
I was once watching a video on a vegan channel, I had just found it and liked it a lot, but was still testing it out. She mentioned in the video that she doesn’t think protein is important at all, and I’m like, ok, good bye.
I actually think it's ok for you to respond to hhv's attacks (yes, that's what they are), because obviously you don't want their misinterpretation of what you're trying to say to influence people's opinions about you. And if you didn't respond, ppl would probably say you ran out of explanations, so... As long as you're not attacking them back (which you're not), this is totally justified :) Ps: your videos keep me sane! There's something so calming about you and you're the only vegan youtuber I can stand and watch on a regular basis!:D wish we could be friends!
I am so over his bs. I always regret donating to him because I've found a ton more sanctuaries and people who actually give to animals/vegan organizations. All I was doing was funding a narcissist's ego trip and giving them pizza. Here are a few things that irk me about him: 1) he doesn't claim or disclaim that he presently feeds his animals animal products(he does not need to but simply showing what he feeds them is a simple solution) 2) he constantly defends his family and friend's eating habits(I don't mind if my mom eats meat, etc) 3) when asked about if animal products should be made illegal he is against it(stating the "drug trade" as an example which means he isn't an abolitionist which veganism is about... "I don't think they should be jailed for it" is not a response to the question being asked, and it's a hypothetical. It shows he's consistently inconsistent) 4) he has no problem eating animals for survival(there are a few things I want to say regarding this: 1) he lives in California and is well off and has merchandise and tips that he gets and is a musician so clearly he isn't in any way a survival situation like a deserted island or whatever. 2) without hesitation he would say that he would consume bivalves if necessary, and why I find that problematic is that he says it promptly and without care. Well, mollusks bivalves oysters et cetera are all animals dude... let's look up the definition of veganism🛎 5) he's a bully(he spends nearly every Friday harassing people. Whether those people harass him or not is irrelevant, he still harasses people constantly. Case in point, when I told him about Buddhism and about alcohol consumption he got really defensive. I sited it as a contradiction, whatever. That stemmed from a previous conversation I had with him, note that I said conversation and not argument. So, I was subscribed to him for a while and he made a short of him drinking something at Disneyland or whatever. I simply commented in a ironic, playful, and informative way(didn't mean any spite or hate from it) "you would be happier and healthier if you quit drinking". So, his response to that was to harass me in this long message. I ignored how rude he was being and discussed why I felt that way and told him about why I felt that way and how as an ex alcoholic who quit shortly after going how life changing and beneficial it was. He responded with come to my live stream, so I did. He further harassed me, called me a precious snowflake(this is after the conversation where I told him I drank heavily and consistently for 10 years to medicate from my Bipolar disorder and PTSD and trauma as a child. I mentioned how the Buddhism thing but also said how by having a drinking game when you look up the definition you are causing more people to drink and some of those people might be in the same boat as I was where they see others drinking or they have a trigger and it causes them to relapse or get drunk or you know. So, with all of that said and done, how do you think Ryan, Anji, and his chat all handled that? They TO THIS DAY harass me in chat about it. I don't watch his streams anymore but a friend of mine does and tells me that he's been making shitty remarks about when he does the ding thing as well as members of his chat. Again, as a reminder my drinking days were some of the worst in my life and the last day I drank I had an attempt and after saying all of that he finds it amusing to him and his audience to further harass me and make fun of me for it. 6) he continuously claims to not be a narcissist(he has merchandise, he constantly promotes that merchandise,[to be fair I get the merch thing, you need to make $ in this gross society but my issue is not only his and his wife's ethics, but the prices which I also mentioned. Of course, he handled rudely and further tried to make me look bad in his streams. But whatever]) brags about how good he looks for his age constantly(some sort of ego trip that he picked up from Chris Cooney who is equally as awful as Ryan and also treated me like shit. I've noticed a common thread between people like Ryan, Katie, Chris, and Richard they're ego maniacs starved for attention and do not really care about others except themselves and the money they make from them. Not really my thing, my thing is the animals but that's neither here nor there. Because in all honesty who cares what people think you look like or should look like...) Idk, maybe he'd be a "Happy Healthy Vegan" if he worked on himself more and stopped acting like a hypocritical, petty, foolish, money hungry, bully. But what do I know with my hundred subscribers I'm a literal nobody and my voice, truth, and opinions amount to nothing.
Back when I was a bit more anti-vegan and believed that getting enough protein on a vegan diet for athletic purposes was near impossible people like HHV really didn't help. When the topic of protein is brought up rather than bringing up highly bio-available protein sources such as soy or really tasty plants super high in protein such as beans and nuts or giving advice for healthily increasing protein I saw a bunch of sickly skinny self flagellators outright denying the importance of protein (which I knew was BS) and this lead me to believe they had no arguments.
What about vegan athletes like me? They are looking pretty damn good! Just have to eat more plants. Don’t see any protein deficiency cases in hospitals
As an athlete it's probably easier to meet needs for lysine, zinc, iron and other minerals because you're eating more calories. And what about all the ex vegans who had various problems (deficiencies and other health issues)? Most of them were eating like HHV recommends (i.e. mostly whole foods and enough calories). For those who don't need 3000+ calories/day that won't guarantee sufficient protein and minerals.
Your content was responsible and factual. Ryan was wrong and I copied my illustration of why. Your physique is exactly what you expect from a carbohydrate driven non-animal product, without doping or insane caloric restriction. There is nothing wrong with your body, you should be proud of it. Here is what I sent to Ryan..."Ryan I am going to be nice because you seem like nice enough guy. Unnatural vegan is pointing out an epidemic flaw in your community. Now, you should speak from knowledge not just question someone else's. Having said that I'm not going to cite sources just give 24 years of experience in fitness, wellness and performance nutrition. What unnatural vegan points out is an absolute problem in the mindless following among your community leaders. You are likely looking at them assuming their physique is due to their diet and using that as credibility to pursue a cruelty free diet. You big criticism, on one day(which I'm sure you cherry picked) unnatural fell 9 grams short of a reasonable goal. Not an ideal or optimal goal.One of the chief forms of malnutrition comes from repetition of types of food and food groups. In fact more commonly than starving or not having food. A problem we rarely face in western culture. I can say this Unnatural vegans physique matches her diet. Your physique matches your and I would guess in any given blood panel you have a nitrogen imbalance, deficient protein and you will likely have osteoporosis at some point in ten years.What is a non-sequitur is free lee's physique. She has extremely high lean body mass for someone with her professed diet. That leads me to the usual problem in you community. She is likely cheating. I went through ten years of painstaking work and nutrition to build an above average physique. Now that I'm trying to remove animal products that challenge has been represented to me. Each time I find a role model and look at their diet, either their diet in unhealthy by many standards or they have cheated at some point. Free lee and her lot are guilty until proven innocent. There has been so much cheating and lying in your community that you have credibility issues. Those who seem authentic simply have bodies that don't suit my aesthetic goals. I'm willing to compromise on those goals to remove animal cruelty from my diet but it will take a path that is scientifically correct and a leader who is not liar and does not prey on the young and uninformed.I'm sure Free lee is wicked nonce and you trust her but until she tests frequently and "free lee" I wouldn't follow her diet at her word. You in the name of intellectual honesty should applaud Unnatural Vegan for being honest about the challenges of vegan lifestyle and te inherent problems that come from removing all animal products. These problems are primarily imbalancing your macronutritionwhich will lead to gaining body fat(or the detox phase as the dishonest would present it) not finding vegetable sources with the full spectrum of amino acids, a lowering of lean body mass and in some cases kidney, pancreatic and liver dysfunction increasing faster than ordinary. Want citations... pay me. I'm too busy keeping in amazing shape natural 4 life and taking care of clients in a responsible fashion. You should retract your statements about Unnatural Vegans protein video, you should raise your own aptitude and not buy platitudes and ideologies wholesale and your whole community needs to stop preying on the uninformed, young and weak minded because of their love for animals. Also, talk about the real repercussions of each eating style in terns of how they impact the environment and the frequent human suffering they bring. Oh yeah, I'm trying to reduce animal suffering but not by increasing human suffering."
Thanks for making a response video to Ryan video. I was wondering what do you have to say about his video about you :) By the way, did you read the China study? If I remember it correctly, dr. Campbell says that a vegan should eat no more than 10% proteins. Every 5% jump above that increases the chances to develop cancerous cells. And his claims are based on a huge experiment that he did. So I believe it is scientific enough. What do you think about that?
Is it trolling if I voice my opinion about a video that's posted on a public website? No. She's boring. That's my feedback. If anyone else has said it, then that might be just a popular opinion. What you've said is a waste of you typing. Bye felicia? What are you 16? Lol bye bitch.
I really appreciate that you and HHV are willing to go back and forth critiquing each other on these kinds of issues. Although, I wondered why no one in this particular exchange bothered to address what lyseine is/does and why deficiency can be harmful. I know I can just look it up but I think it would have made for a better discourse to include these points.
I like how one of his arguments is literally "ugh those dietitians aren't even famous"
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I know, if they are seeing patients and are registered dietitians, a protected title requiring continuous professional development and updating practice to the evidence and bachelor's or master's level qualification, they are qualified.
"I didn't know that and have not heard of these dietitians so this must not be true"
Great argumentation, Ryan.
You're one of the only vegan CZcamsrs that have helped me make the educated decision to be a vegan. No wild claims, extremism, bias, or esoteric crap. Thank you.
Lizelle Kemmerer well said :) I agree withthat
Lizelle Kemmerer Vegan Gains is where it's at
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Since this comment is 2 years old now, I have to wonder, are you still vegan? And thank you for using that beautiful brain of yours and taking the smart, balanced, and healthy approach to veganism. Happy trails to you!
Me too
I love how Ryan discredits those dietitians because he never heard of them.
See this is the difference between you and others:
Unnatural vegan: "Hey, you're not getting enough protein."
Other vegan YTer: "OMG! We don't need protein! Protein isn't necessary!"
Other vegan YTer: "Hey, Unnatural Vegan, you didn't get enough protein that day."
UV: "You're right, I didn't get enough protein that day. I'm gonna work on that."
+Cass E Exactly the reason why I love her :)
But she's a fucking communist, she'd rather everyone eat nuts and tofurky and follow the science from government. She's just jealous she'll never be as fit as the hclf or raw vegans. She looks old! Must be the nut butters.
Emi Saullo LOL what is this the 1950's red scare? It's funny that you talk about using government junk science, but the moment that the science agrees with these other vegans, they use it as "PROOF." Also, the whole idea that criticizing someone makes you jealous is totally juvenile. I don't see any indication that UV is jealous of other vegans.
If we're talking about what the vegans look like, why don't we compare UV's hair to Freelee's? It's much shinier and smoother. She must be a better vegan. Or it could be, you know, genetics... or other factors...
People are allowed to disagree. Sometimes the science doesn't even agree. Actually a lot of the time...
Grow up.
+Cass E Lol right? Freelee's hair is nowhere near as healthy looking as UV, but does that mean that Freelee isn't healthy? No, neither does UV not fitting someone's standards for appearance means her diet isn't appropriate.
+Cass E
She supports force - she supports government vaccinations, clearly. She has a statist-collectivist attitude about her that she thinks that it's best for vegans to all have an open mind and support the meat critics and what have you. She's a shill and I can know STATISM when I see it. Bet dollars to doughnuts she's a feminist, radical vegan, statist.
My wife and I went vegan about 2 weeks ago after seeing Cowspiracy. Given, we have to finish what animal products we had already stored in our cupboards, but we're easily 95% vegan by now. Your channel is our core source for information, morale, and diet ideas. We are metaphysical naturalists with a high interest in science, so your main themes and messages resonate with us wonderfully. Also, we both have a history of food addiction and addictive behavior, so if we were to have began by following one of the LFHC youtubers, I doubt we would have even lasted this long. Looking forward to eating some crazy delicious vegan stew later tonight. Keep up the good work. :)
+Ray Murphy If you need some more amazing recipes, check the youtube channel "The Vegan Corner". You won't regret it
+Ray Murphy I just learned what metaphysical naturalism is... hehe.
+Emi Saullo yikes.
I'd just like to say that I appreciate you finishing all the animal products instead of throwing them away :) i mean that would be horrible for the environment and a waste of lives, money and resources. And welcome to the vegan community, I hope you'll like it here
+Ray Murphy Cool, keep it up :) You're doing a good thing and as you said - one cannot heal and get away from food addiction when he/she binges on huge amounts of food. I hope you stay on track.
How are registered dietitians not reputable sources. Because they don't recommend what he believes in 58g is not excessive.
@@MichaelSuperbacker Why are you spamming this same reply everywhere?
Also, they are quick to befriend and take up for Vegan Gains talking about wanting to kill babies and record his grandpa having a heart attack but God forbid you say vegans need protein, that would just be absurd.
Ariel Courtney oh you took VG serious there ? Lol
Oh dear. Not even close. I suppose not everyone gets to be at least somewhat of a bright person cough cough Ariel
I appreciate that you make all kinds of videos, but this whole Vegan critiquing video response thing is odd. You're the first Vegan I've subscribed to on CZcams. After digging around, it appears that one of the higher trending things for Vegan CZcamsrs to do is make videos about what each other says. I just don't understand it. It would be much more interesting if you set up actual conversations/debates and made joint videos between channels. It would enable extremely constructive conversations that I think would be more beneficial to all. As always though, I do enjoy your scientific approach.
+TheDaddyExperience I actually think the video response video format works better. I like this video because her points are concise and backed up by facts and research -- conversations/debates tend to get more heated and even when they don't, it is harder to include all the specific facts and sources the way you can in a video response.
You are right about this being a thing that a lot of vegan youtubers are doing, but I also think it's kind of important for them to hold each other accountable if they seem to be putting misinformation out there when they have a large following who will take them at their word.
+lannapeanut I agree that misinformation is everyone's enemy. Going back and forth disproving each other is just a clumsy and slow process. In the end, everyone has the same main focus and beliefs. Having a live discussion about it would just be a lot more interesting.
+TheDaddyExperience It is because you cannot have a normal conversation with highly indoctrinated people like a lot of people in the HCLFV-cult are. Freelee and Unnatural Vegan around the same table? Hahaha, that will never happen...
agreed
+lannapeanut Well said, thanks. :)
Bottom line is he is mad that you don't care for freelee and DR too much. It's pretty obvious
+Andreas von T. I agree, It's pretty messed up that anyone that doesn't worship at the alter of freelee and DR are instantly slammed and treated like they are some kind of evil person. UV is great, keep bringing the truth!
Partly, yes, but her way of veganism is eat the meat (soy) and science created junk food, she makes a case for it. Eat whatever you want, but her approach is extremely individualistic and pseudo-packed nonsense.
You must blindly worship freelee or else you are being criticized by freelees messengers haha
There are many ways to be a vegan, find what makes sense to you. You feel good with cooked vegan proteins - Go for it. You feel good without proteins - Go for it. Just stick to being a vegan!
lolz
+Emi Saullo considering the high rate of vegan recidivism something like 70%, presenting what could be more sustainable options seems like a good idea.
It's funny because I feel like other youtubers are targeting Swayze because they think she makes this stuff up. What's the point of that? She actually wants to be giving her body what it needs and does the research so that she can eat accordingly. Ignorantly following a specific type of vegan diet won't make it right just because you believe it feels like the best. There is actual science behind what we need to be eating. So UV, thanks for being a dependable and unbiased source of information!
+Alexis B Also, one day with 50 grams of protein is not a huge deal. It would be a better argument to look at the overall average of protein you eat on the majority of days, which would make the average higher. You're not saying that you eat the perfect desired quantities every day, but you're doing a better job at getting the protein you do need overall.
I dislike him. He weighs 115lbs yet claims he knows what's best for my 225lb body. At least you are honest. I need them beans man!
I don't get why so many vegans are against protein.
holnrew I do
Your bun is cute.
@@bunnygirl893 Thank you, his name is Alfie
Much respect for your Vegan education battle skills. A willingness to admit when your wrong while standing strong on your principals is very commendable(and educational).
It's so typical that people have come to this video and criticized it by demanding anecdotes - "Show me someone with a protein deficiency!" - when you've clearly stated the troublesome nature of anecdotes.
I have to applaud you for your candor, and your willingness to look at the science objectively. So many vegans are blinded by dogma that they will cite poor science, or resort to using fallacious lines of reasoning to justify their stance. Those sorts of vegans - like Happy Healthy Vegan, Freelee, and Durianrider - are what makes veganism so repellent to an individual who is contemplating a dietary change.
Vegans arguing about protein! Oh lord.
+drewlikesrice It's because she's called him out in the past. She's created quite a lot of tension between vegans because of the way she treats other vegan youtubers.
+drewlikesrice lol too true
+a3rialst4rr Calling out bullshit when you know it's bullshit is not disrespectful. Especially when you provide Citations to actual research and not links to A news letter sent out by a Vegan Doctor who runs a million dollar Vegan Food company,(McDougal) or is a shill for the very corrupt HSUS (Geiger).
She also just doesn't like the way others present the vegan message. Even though without them a lot of us wouldn't be here, including herself. So, they're obviously doing something right and for her to bash on them because of the way they present the message is kind of stupid.
I'm still a subscriber, I still love Swayze lol I just think the drama she causes is pretty ridiculous
Chicken's a great source of protein..
temper tantrum....jeez, these vegans obssessed with fitness are such babies. They can't tolerate any criticism...so much for the pacifist and compassion parts....
also Swayze, you don't need to meet the standards of nutrition every single day ;) just most days. Our bodies are strong enough to deal with a few food sins :P (aka chocolate!)
+Tren Muscle Workout as you are probably not a hunter gatherer you really do not need to hunt for food so pretty pointless the suffering you inflict on the animals. Regarding raw eggs, salmonella is not a pretty food poisoning and you are wilfully exposing yourself to it so good luck on that part
+Henrique Nobre if wilfully exposing yourself to food poisoning is what you want, go ahead. I prefer being healthy.
+Susana Paço Portuguese ppl around here...
Phil Drt never been there but yes, unfortunately my mom is portuguese
I like how you pointed out his logical fallacies. Anecdotal and genetic falacies were good examples. I subscribed immediately halfway through the video.
He says that too much protein can cause the accumulation of toxic protein byproducts. When the body has too much protein, the liver simply converts the remaining unused protein into glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis.
I'm not vegan I'm a vegetarian, but your videos are the only ones I trust, and have influenced me to slowly transition into veganism. THANK YOU for being one of few honest, helpful, and subjective vegans on CZcams :)
58 grams of protein is "a whopping"? What the fuck!?
+Embryonales how? cronometer says a cup of oatmeal is 10.7 g of protein, unless you consider 2 cups a small bowl?
aa aa same, I can't eat more than one cup in one meal
But I eat fruit and flax seeds with it
+Embryonales I'm a small girl and I eat like 200g (2 cups) cooked, with fruit added XD
***** same here :D at this point I've had to ditch normal plates and bowls, now I eat out of huge serving platters
Why are all the vegan youtubers bashing each other? I don't understand it, I thought us vegans were supposed to be compassionate and kind to all beings?
yes.. i cant u derstand that too :(...
+Finding Fay It's disappointing, to say the least. There are a lot of conspiracy-minded dogmatic vegans present on CZcams (moreso in the comments), unfortunately.
I just hope they don't become representative of the vegan community as a whole and contribute to the downfall of it. I've seen it happen to other communities on CZcams that I used to love (i.e. the atheist community) that just took a sharp, rapid downward turn because of people like that..
+Finding Fay It is the disease of this society. People feel inadequate about themselves and it is passed on to everyone else. That is why you get these "I know more than they do" when they really mean to say is "I don't understand" or "I disagree." I do not agree with this back and forth videos without first discussing it with the other person. It makes them appear petty, or unkind, and that is not what I wish to allow. I like these people, but I don't like the way they go about their methods. It is disappointing.
compassion and kindness aren't determined by a lack of critical debate. how else can we grow and learn as a community? everyone must learn to argue respectfully and these videos allow us to hold each other accountable for the things we say, which is a crucial element when serving as a figure for public reference on something as important as diet and lifestyle.
+Finding Fay I think she is afraid to go after or even criticize meat eater diet, so she has to get views somehow... so popular vegan channels are the answer.
I used to be subscribed to HHV but had to unsubscribe when it seemed like they ran out of original content to produce and just started making videos attacking other vegans. I really don't understand why they can't just leave you be and spread the vegan message to non vegans with their videos. You make original, helpful content that is useful for new vegans and long time vegans alike. This is pretty much the only vegan youtube channel I can stand to watch anymore. The vegan youtube community is turning into a big joke.
Oh great not you again. This "unnatural vegan" is plant based at best, and even that's shaky. Given her strong preference away from plants, I wouldn't call her vegan whatsoever.
@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 What is this assumption based on? I've seen what she says she eats, she loves plants and some foods processed from plants as well. Even if she didn't, why would this make her not a vegan? Vegan just means not consuming animal products, unless to you, it also means being a part of a cult where you all have to think and act the same and agree with each other or else you're not a part of it.
guys chill out. they are not attacking each other, just trying to give good advice
Swayze's incredibly activism & advocacy for the animals is why I picked her as the number one best Vegan in my latest video...
Sorry but werent you bashing her in some other video? Calling her a 'practicly pescatarian'
+VeganRevolution
love those vidz, but honestly I almost unsubd when you fired a few cheap shots. she doesn't deserve that.
VeganRevolution is there any reason you dont like her?..if you dont answer ill just assume you're another durianrider rider lol.
+VeganRevolution Why? Because a science-based advocate is too much for you to handle?
+MarcoGorelli "Science-based" - haha!! she didn't cited one study in this video explaining why do you need *that* much protein or even explained what will be the results of eating a bit less (let me tell you - none!!).
She is just relying on ONE RD that says it's a "good idea" to eat more protein - ignoring the long line of experts saying it doesnt matter that much (prof T. Colin Campbell, for example).
It's amazing how all of you see her as such a science guru when she doesn't even bother to back up her claims with actual science.
so is this "Vegan Beef"? ;-)
I have to agree with you. You do your research and I like that. I'm on route to becoming a RD so I'm learning the basics of nutrition and a lot of what you say in your videos is what I am learning in my classes. One thing that is pretty annoying is when people try to give advice on nutrition but know nothing about nutrition or have false information.
It's about your total average protein intake, one day of not getting enough should be fine. I'm sure you are getting enough protein.
I have a request! Could you do a video about how fat is also very important. I know a lot of people are not on the HCLF lifestyle anymore because they were eating too little fat and feel a lot better eating more fat (I'm still talking relatively low fat - around 10-15% instead of 5%).
It's SO true, I speak from my experience. I felt so weak and deprived when I wasn't getting enough protein on a vegan diet. JUST eating whole plant foods and not paying attention to any nutrient intake does not ensure you will get enough protein. I am living proof. I have to plan all my meals to make sure I get enough protein. I didn't need to do that as a non-vegan because like you state, the protein in animals is more concentrate and more easily absorbed (that doesn't mean animal products are inherently better). On a vegan diet I have to pay more attention to my protein, zinc, iron, omega 3 fatty acids and calcium because it is more challenging to obtain enough of them... BUT, I'm glad to do it. There's no harm in saying that a vegan diet is a fairly new diet /in the course of history/ and that it does currently require planning to meet our needs. If we don't accept this fact, we won't be able to move forward with veganism.
"Let's watch how fit Freelee is" All I saw was a very very thin woman who did not look good at all, especially in the clip where she was cycling. Personally I don't think that's how a healthy person looks like - she cycles as much as a pro cyclist but still seems to have pretty small leg muscles, especially calves. Well, enough of that, people are different etc. etc. Thanks for making another great video :) I still can't but admire how concise and calm you are with your response videos.
+beebikinis Freelee is seen on video passing a bunch of men up a hill. She's biked across Aust. What people don't get is - most peoples' muscle is big because it's marbled with fat. Not so for low-fat eaters.
+Gary High-Fruit Ok. 😺
+beebikinis What happened to your other reply?
I'm just trying to inform people(4 vids on this protein debate). If you don't care for my explanation.......that just 1 of 12 points. Poeple in society have a warped view of what normal is because society doesn't live normally. I've been eating low-protein for 7 years. I'm not as thin as Freelee because she's an endurance athlete(they're really skinny). And for muscle, see "Hardest Push-Up On the Planet"
+Gary High-Fruit I changed it hoping that you wouldn't keep this "conversation" going.
+beebikinis wow you are such a noob. google pro cyclists. they are skinny asf
I have the impression that some vegans refuse anything that comes close to saying that animal products do better than vegetals in some areas. Example : animal products give more proteins than plants, so if one is vegan he must not need proteins that much.
It's the extremist mentality of the Internet.
If you say drowning puppies is bad then you'll get a bunch of angry people saying to you oh but you think it's OK to drown kittens?! The individual responding is attempting to say that because you argues about one thing then you must be opposed to this other thing...even though you can believe both things are wrong. I'm pretty sure it's a logical fallacy I am just not certain what it's called. Anyways you see it all the fing time on the Internet, especially when it comes to politics.
+allyourpcarebelongtous straw man.
+AlineGautier but animal protein is what has specifically been shown to help the cancer process along, not plant proteins. Also you get all the added hormones/mercury with protein if it comes from animals.
You're wasting your time trying to tell this that anecdotal 'evidence' isn't evidence. He believed someone had cured their cancer by becoming vegan. Also, I don't think a blood test is representative of 8 years of dieting. She hasn't had the same blood in her for that entire time
John Smith good point! And serum albumin levels are not representative of total body protein, and do not reflect nutritional adequacy in any way.
You're actually dumb. I haven't seen meat cure one single condition. Plants are superior.
@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 He never said meat can cure anything, he just stated that it is a bit naive to think that a vegan diet can cure cancer.
He was so salty that you Dare have a different perspective. Keep up the videos!!
this chick is so good on what she is doing xD
the first point makes perfect sense , i thought about it when i watched his video
oh god, I have wanted to unsub from hhv for a while, and this video he made did it for me. I cant stand the whiny elitist bullshit they spew.
Elitist? Want to talk about elitist? How about supporting pro vaccinations, being an apologist, supporting pseudo science and then acting as if you're on some high moral ground?
That's unnatural vegan. She thinks she's a moral goddess with science based evidence, she's the elitist.
The other guys on CZcams are working class, they don't go further than encouraging you to eat a diet of rice and potatoes.
This fucking dork is saying meat doesn't cause cancer and now fuckwits are chewing cheeseburgers and Tofurky pizzas on weekends.
She's the elitist, she's the individualistic snob.
+Emi Saullo if you want to talk shit to her then create your own comment to her or message her. I dont have time to debate.
+Emi Saullo I think you're confused. Having anti-vaccination stances is the pseudo science, not the other way around. Are you having a bad day, friend? Have a coffee and go lie down. I'll tuck you in.
+peachTplum
No, being anti-vaccination is a choice - I don't care if it intrudes with your autonomy. I'm not going to send armed guards (the state) to kidnap you and throw you in the state.
If you support vaccinations, that's fine, but you cross the line when you present that the state ought to be responsible of other people's choices.
This is where I'm going at - and UV is a statist in that sense. I knew it from the get-go, she comes off a staunch government/corporate supporter (GMOs, Vaccinations, etc.).
I wouldn't be surprised if she were a communist of some sort.
It's ok, friend. You are clearly very confused. It's not the 1950s anymore. You can rest easy without the communism fear mongering. Drink some tea and have a nap.
This Happy Healthy Vegan guy actually isn't that happy and very misinformed. Especially some fruitarians I've seen look like they suffer from some muscle wasting to me, tbh. You are providing a great service to educated vegans who want to remain healthy. Veganism can make one deficient in more than just protein, so do your homework. Yes soy protein isolate is a great way to fortify a vegan diet with protein. Soy protein *isolate* is fine (at 90% protein bv) when compared to the profile of whey, higher amount of BCAAs and glutamine, only lower in the amino methionines. And yes, there are enough studies that demonstrate that healthy athletic individuals require .82g/lb or 1.8g/kg to maintain optimal muscle mass. Btw, subbed.
Videos like this are why I am subscribed to you. I love it when you just whip out the evidence and hand people a big bag of nope. makes me giggle with glee inside.
Respectful criticism is key to growing up. And that is what Unnatural Vegan does.
High-carb Low-protein diet is NEVER good! A Big NO-NO! And plant-based protein is the best option. Lentils and Legumes all the way everyday ! Nuts too btw
I just tried to write a whole thing about why I liked this video- and your channel- so much, but it got a bit rambly and boring. In a nutshell though, I love your educated, insightful, evidence based, no nonsense approach videos. Thanks for all you do!
They just want to support there heavy fruit diet.
its not hard to eat a cup of lentils.
"whopping 58 gram"
haha ffs.¨
The biggest problem with him is that he discrediting other types of vegan diets by saying eating to much protein is bad for you.
this man is very slimy
As a public figure representing this kind of lifestyle... I am so happy you use real data and references for the information you provide to CZcams. It's your's, as well as all other vegan you tubers, responsibility to provide CORRECT information. So many people, including me, have used CZcams as a guide for transitioning into veganism. I followed Freelee and fully raw but not until I found your channel was I able to maintain a vegan diet for over a month.
Thanks for the videos and dietary information! I wish more people followed you to learn about proper nutrition (not just vegan nutrition but overall nutrition)
Freelea blood test isn't going to prove anything because he body will take protein from her muscles and organs to keep levels normal. Freelea is pretty thin but she does long distance excercise. What she's doing is working for her but definitely wouldn't recommend it for the average person who is not doing long distance training almost daily or eat as many calories as she does.
+Spoo Rin When the body does not get enough protein or while fasting the body does break down muscle tissue this is not even controversial, it is common knowledge. In fact it was though that you should not exercise while fasting to protect you muscles from additional loss in the process but recent studies have been done that show you loose the same amount of muscle during the fast whether you exercise or not. I have no idea if freelee is getting enough protein long term or not, if she feels good doing and can perform in her athletics than we may assume she is meeting her bodies needs, but sometimes loss of certain things is accumulative and she could find in 5 years she is not able to do things she can do now and find at that point she needs to add more protein. It is know that elderly people need higher levels of protein for example, the assumption is that their body is not doing as good of job metabolising protein but like so many things in life that is an assumption. Ultimately we all have unique genetics and environments to deal with and we are each a living experiment in progress.
***** Eventually, it will break down muscle tissue. The body conserves protein as muscle tissue. What you don't want is for things to get to the point where it takes protein from vital organs. Just go to that section in your biology text book.
Please post a picture of someone you have met or heard of that is protein deficient. I would like to see what to look for so I can avoid it.
i've seen some old footage of freelee where she looks like she is deficient (one common thing is swollen cheeks'no matter how little body fat you have) she used to be only raw back them, hence less bio available nutrients in her diet.
That is when she first went vegan. she was overweight and came from a high salt diet. when the body purges, it enters the bloodstream and can cause water weight.
Kayla Carpenter i don't believe that is the reason but of course it's impossible to know unless we had 100 % true facts about her diet, weight, height, amount of exercise at that time. i just always linked those cheeks with protein deficiency since she was so so skinny already.
Google it?
Bob Dylan google what? :o
I'm glad that you guys can go back and forth cause I feel like it keeps you guys honest. well, hopefully. clearly here you admitted to not always getting the recommended amount, as stated in your last video. I wonder if he will concede that certain foods have protein that is less bioavailable or that bioavailability might impact a vegan diet with low protein?
I found the "I've never heard of them" comment rather silly. it is fallacious to say someone can't be taken seriously because they aren't famous. -.-
All vegans should think as you do.. You are a smart and rational person
"A Whopping 58 grams" My daily protein goal is 150g. 58 grams is my pea protein powder and soymilk drink.
Me 😂😂😂
The problem is that most Americans are getting too much protein. Protein in excess is hard on the kidneys. Plant or animal sources. I have never heard of anyone who has had a protein deficiency in American. Even oranges have protein. My wife, and I have been vegan for 23 years, and we have never had any deficiencies. We have greatly enjoyed better health, and energy on the vegan diet. Our diet is whole foods plant based. I suppose if you are a vegan eating only donuts, and sodas. You will have adverse health effects.
I do not think Ryan is advocating not eating beans or nuts. In fact he advocates a very diverse whole foods vegan diet We have nuts, and legumes in our diet every week. It is just part of our natural vegan diet. I am 60 years old, my wife is 57, and we both weight the same as we did when we got married 33 years ago. 150/87 lbs No heart disease, diabetes, arthritis,, cancer, or any of the other maladies that have effected our peers, and family members who eat the SAD diet. We enjoy a happy active lifestyle. Veganism has worked for us, and we really don't have to worry about any deficiencies. Blood tests have shown that.
I LOVE your scientific and easy approach! You're the first person to have made me stay vegan for longer than a week here and a week there. Thank you so much for your videos!
+Mr Jonathan She doesn't NEED to prove Freelee is deficient. Just look at those legs compared to Trisha Paytas. PLUS, she an anecdote. And you know what that means.
He must have watched A LOT of videos to find one where you we're even a little low on protein. Thanks for the views right?
You know what's REALLY ridiculous?!? These petty, bullshit nit picking arguments between different vegan youtube channels. Come on already!! A lot of us are new vegans and we want info on how to sustain our new lifestyle. How does bitching and picking apart what another vegan says help us at all? How do you expect us to be vegan when the only example we seem to be getting is two people bitching about what the other one says? Live your life, let them live theirs and as long as they aren't hurting people, planet or animals, leave em alone!!!! Sheesh! I'm going back to Lilly and her Legit Nutrition Hawaii channel. Screw this, "No, you're wrong, no, you're wrong" crap. Unsubscribe.
Her original video was talking about the protein lysine. It was basically a helpful reminder reminding people that if you don't eat legumes or other good sources of lysine that you may be lacking this particular protein and she used other youtuber videos to show that even though they are eating a normal vegan diet that they were still vulnerable to being low on lysine. (She also showed in her video one or two items they could have replaced in their diet to help them reach their recommended lysine requirement) It really wasn't meant to be controversial in the first point, just meant to be helpful.
Protein is a giant buzz word with one goal in mind - to sell protein powder shakes. Period. A new born baby only drinks mothers milk, and is transformed from an infant that cannot hold up its head to a walking toddler in a few months. Eight ounces of mother's milk has 2.5 grams of protein. If the newborn drank 24 ounces of milk each day that would mean the total consumption of under ten grams of protein a day. At no time in a human's life will there be a greater need for more protein to make muscles, bone and brain matter than as a new baby. My theory is that adult humans don't need a lot of protein - unless of course you sell protein powders for a living.
Hate to see 2 vegans nit pick each other to death...
you look so pretty in this video
So glad I found your channel, I've been doing high carb and feeling like crap. Didn't even realize how low my protein had gone
I'm good with what McDougall recommends on his sites or lectures. Frankly, he has the experience and reads the resources, needless to say the MD and has helped thousands. I like your sarcasm better, though.
WOW vegan for life is a book suggested by Dr. Greger for anyone looking to conceive a child and this DB spouts spouts off with this "I haven't heard of them!"
sounds like I dont have to finish watching to know he don't know shit... I'm looking forward to the rest
Just look at that guy, he's a skeleton. And it's clearly not because of his metabolism or anything.
And that freelee girl... yeah, she's not "fit", just skinny as hell.
+Jose luis "Freelee isn't fit"??? She can beat most men up a hill; biked across Aust.
Ryan is a runner (they are super thin).
You're being UNscientific, assuming we lose muscle on 10% protein. We are not. I'm stronger now. See my latest video for the logic & sources for 5-10% protein.
+Gary High-Fruit Thin means unhealthy apparently.
I'm a baby vegan. Only 4 months, coming from 26 years of vegetarianism. I started out on the 80/10/10 diet, but I was secretly going for 90/5/5 because after reading what some guru wrote, I errantly thought low protein and fat was healthier. I always ate too much protein when I tallied up my macronutrients. Now my mother, who was initially very supportive and went vegetarian at the same time, thinks veganism is too restrictive. Thanks for this video knocking me in the head and showing me I can eat whatever I want or need ( more beans) and be a totally respectable vegan. Peace to the animals.
I'm finally unsubbing from HHV. Angie should make a separate channel I would probably still watch her lol. I'm just tired of ryan.
If only people knew thy didn't have to eat 0% fat and still lose weight and be healthy on a vegan diet. Many more would stay vegan. I feel like that alone harms veganism.
Happyhealthyvegan reminds me of the South Park episode where people inhaled their own farts. They have this way about them that makes them un relatable
Ive been subbed for a while and I enjoy your informative videos... but whats the purpose of diligently going through what other vegans eat (as if you are a register dietician or medical professional), take the time to calculate their diets, and make it seem like vegans can't get all nutrients by eating similarly to how those youtubers eat? You know they look healthy, glow with happiness, and are physically fit right? You have all the right to make videos on what ever you want, but what kind of message is this sending? I just got bad vibes from this, as if you are saying your information and lifestyle is right and theirs is wrong and not long term. We should promote how EASY and SIMPLE it is to eat vegan, not how scary it could be to not get nutrients. Non vegans can be JUST as deficient if they aren't watching what they eat.
Just another point you mentioned... is that protein is way more satisfying... Well why is it that people go on high protein diets (like all body builders and fitness models) and are constantly fighting cravings from not having enough carbs? if protein is filling, why do the cravings? Why do we desire carbs ? Carbs are satisfying, filling, and ALSO contain protein. We can't really set a rule for how much eat person actually absorbs, so no source is accurate because food combining and the persons health has a lot to do with it. If you consume about 80g of protein for a woman who doesn't even lift or is super active... that is way too much. Any source on google is roughly 45-50g for women.. and i believe around 55g for men. I do agree with those low figures of 20g are way to low...
+Natasha Paletta Education is important. A vegan diet done the wrong way could lead to ppl quitting the diet. It happens all the time. Some become anemic, some say they felt tired/weak on a vegan diet. Clearly these ppl were doing something wrong. If there was a hole in your diet wouldn't you want to know? I know I would.
"You know they look healthy, glow with happiness, and are physically fit right?"
You could say the same about meat eaters :) But I think you would argue that some aspects of their diets are unhealthy.
"You have all the right to make videos on what ever you want, but what kind of message is this sending?"
Many vegans will say "lol protein". She is correcting that message by saying you do in fact need a certain amount of protein/lysine. Not meeting these requirements will lead to deficiencies which will lead to health problems. She could ignore this, but imo, it would be morally wrong to stay silent, especially when all the vegans preach lol protein.
"I just got bad vibes from this, as if you are saying your information
and lifestyle is right and theirs is wrong and not long term. "
No, she is saying their diets are great, and the foods they are eating look delicious, but they just need to add some beans or legumes to their diet. She is just trying to help, she is not attacking anyone.
"Non vegans can be JUST as deficient if they aren't watching what they eat. "
Yea, obviously. But this is a vegan channel, so it will address common vegan deficiencies.
Thanks for breaking down my post. I understand your interpretation of the video, but not everyone will take it like you. When you try to nit pick on people promoting a vegan diet and point out their flaws and label it "education," I would argue that the person better be licensed or have experience on the subject. Not just assume a person is not getting enough of anything based off a random video and inaccurate chronometer calculations.
I agree with your point you made that meat eaters can also look healthy on the outside, but not on the inside... I get it. I get your perspective, however, my main point that I was trying to make is that she is pointing out the flaws in all these vegans and failing to realize her own. I personally don't like the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude because she's not a medical professional or RD or anything that would give her authority to analyze a persons diet to the smallest of details and tell people it's not enough. So many factors we are missing... For example, what if the person eats lower protein than recommended on one day and another it's higher? What about absorption and food combining? She can't say a person is not getting enough lysine or protein based off a handy dandy app and ONE day of eating. We don't always get ALL our nutrients in one day.
To me, saying "do as I say not as I do" is not helpful because why would I listen to someone who can't even practice what they preach? Why would I listen to someone who is just showing me info off the Internet, and cherry picking their own diet to present themselves as the all knowing protein expert. I think it is great she is addressing something of concern, but she is doing it by throwing people (with high subs, always) under the bus. Always by making other vegans look like they don't know what they are doing. Like their lifestyle is not "long-term."
Information is great, but there's no need to criticize other vegans because of protein. I would hope any one watching ANY videos on the Internet wouldn't just follow advice from someone and copy someone else's lifestyle (like the you tubers mentioned) when we all have different needs for our goals and health.
Another one of my thoughts, is that I could make a video on Unnatural Vegan and input one of her "what I ate" videos or compile a few days and then break down her food options and critique everything she eats, explain why it's not sustainable, good, heathy, or long term and back up my claims from sources on the Internet. OR I can make a video on some one who needs to hear the vegan message and whose diet consists of animal products. I don't know, which seems more productive for the animals? Telling people they need to watch their protein, or telling people try a vegan lifestyle for your Heath, animals, and planet? For an animal lover, I never see her address any kind animal suffering in her videos. What I do see is a lot of criticizing of other vegans and a lot of siding and comforting with meat eaters. Starting to see what other people are talking about when it comes to her videos. Im sure I'm not the only one who feels like she tries to say the right things so MORE people will agree with her. It's cool that she has a lot of non vegans on her channel, but we can educate with out resorting to telling popular you tubers their diet is lacking in a nutrient.
Protein is funny to vegans, because people make a huge deal about getting a ton of it! Eating enough calories and a variety of foods should get you your protein, but of course it's important to track it and make sure it's enough for your body and goals.
Like I said, these are my opinions, and just like she disagrees with how everyone else does things, her viewers may sometimes disagree with her. ☺️
Thanks for the reply :)
"I personally don't like the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude"
Yea, if she is being a hypocrite then you have a right to be upset. But I doubt she is being a hypocrite. The guy cherry picked one of her "what I eat in a day" videos. Now, you may argue that she is doing the same to these girls, but I don't agree, and I will explain later.
"So many factors we are missing... For example, what if the person eats lower protein than recommended on one day and another it's higher?"
You are right, maybe that was just a low protein/lysine day for them. However, this is very unlikely, and I will explain why. Many of these girls follow an 80/10/10 lifestyle. So most of these women will be avoiding nuts, seeds, vegan milks, and vegan meats because they are higher in fat. So for their lysine needs that pretty much only leaves beans. And if you look through their videos you will see they rarely eat beans. These videos were not cherry picked, they represent their typical diet.
"I think it is great she is addressing something of concern, but she is doing it by throwing people (with high subs, always) under the bus."
Even though I don't see it as throwing ppl under the bus, I can understand how one may feel that she is attacking them. A better approach would be to discuss protein and lysine needs without accusing xyz as being deficient. She likely used them to gain more views, and it is also just better to have example diets to show that protein/lysine deficiency is more of a concern than ppl think.
"I would hope any one watching ANY videos on the Internet wouldn't just follow advice from someone and copy someone else's lifestyle (like the you tubers mentioned) when we all have different needs for our goals and health."
Unfortunately, there are a lot of young girls(13-17) that watch these videos. Many will end up eating a similar diet. Many will think, she looks happy, she has a great body, this diet must be healthy!
"Another one of my thoughts, is that I could make a video on Unnatural Vegan and input one of her "what I ate" videos or compile a few days and then break down her food options and critique everything she eats, explain why it's not sustainable, good, heathy, or long term and back up my claims from sources on the Internet."
If you think she is consistently lacking in a key nutrient, and you think many others are lacking in that same nutrient then it would be totally reasonable to make such a video.
"OR I can make a video on some one who needs to hear the vegan message and whose diet consists of animal products."
I don't think it has to be one or the other.
"I don't know, which seems more productive for the animals?"
I think both are. Discussing health makes sure ppl stay on a vegan diet which is beneficial for the animals. Discussing animal suffering, brings up the moral argument which will lead many to become vegan.
"For an animal lover, I never see her address any kind animal suffering in her videos."
That's fair, she def talks less about animal suffering than most vegan youtubers, but she def is an ethical vegan.
"Im sure I'm not the only one who feels like she tries to say the right things so MORE people will agree with her."
What do you mean by "say the right things"? Also, it clearly isn't working because many disagree with her :) Saying you need more protein will just enrage vegans because most vegans say "lol protein."
"It's cool that she has a lot of non vegans on her channel, but we can educate with out resorting to telling popular you tubers their diet is lacking in a nutrient."
Yea, I think that's fair. Some, maybe even most, will be insulted if you critique their diets. We can educate without insulting one another/
Oh, and I love your videos Natasha, keep up the good work! I am a big fan! I also think Unnatural Vegan is great as well, but then again I like all the vegans :)
For some reason I just had a bad vibe from this video, it was weird. I usually always can relate or agree with her on some level, but after your very well written breakdowns and different perspective, I can see where her concerns were. I don't mind if she makes videos on big accounts, just don't agree that we should pick on vegans ... The reason being because left and right people are saying they aren't vegan anymore because of vegans criticIzing them and making them feel like nothing is good enough. I think that's why this turned me off, because it's yet another thing vegans can't get right... Is their protein ahaha I don't know what's up with the sensitivity that people feel like they need to abandon their ethics because of mean comments . Sighhhh
Thanks for your reply, I understand the purpose of her video now I get why it's important. It's a great point, and I guess I never thought about it because I don't eat like most vegans lol. I eat a variety :) I notice that Essena eats vegan junky foods in her videos ever since being in LA, so that's why I mentioned that her calculations may be off.
Seriously you watched my videos? Haha that's awesome thank you! I love sharing what I know to hopefully help others, more recently I've been trying to do topics like these though because it engages people more ! So hopefully it will inspire others to make better choices 🌿
+Karm A all the ones I've ever come across that are not high carb, eat like that. It may be a generalization because I don't personally know every body builder, but I followed quite a few fitness models/body builders on snap and I see exactly how they eat. Paige Hathaway was my absolute favorite! But she eats low carb around the clock with occasional cheat meals and always high protein / small portions. All these people always crave extreme things, and that's how they fulfill it... By "treating themselves" to cheat meals. Nothing new , it's all over
As for plant proteins Michael Gregger said that only whole plant proteins are safe in excess. This means that isolated plant proteins like TVP, Seitan and protein powders are no better than animal protein.
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Love this channel! Keep up the good work! We need more nice/well informed/health promoting Vegans like you. The world is sick of the nasty finger pointing vegan.
um...what serious diseases do you need to worry about when you dont get exactly the correct amount of protein in your diet?
I'm not a vegan but I thought your video was very good. I had just finished watching Ryan's video when I saw you response. Way to go!!
It's important to be very careful of what you eat if you want to be a vegan. Anyone could live off french fries and white bread vegetarian sandwiches and claim to be a vegan. However, their health would suffer tremendously.
When one of my daughters was 13 she suddenly decided that eating animals was a bad thing to do. She got very anemic as a result and our family doctor told her to start eating meat again. Thankfully she listened to him. If You Tube had been around in those days, your videos would have been a wonderful tool.
Thank you Swayze! I really appreciate what you brought across about the bioavailability of the macronutrient protein, in a whole food plant based diet, taking a high carb or starch based diet into account.
in the video you said "Freelee is active and has good blood test results and so we don't have to worry about protein?" --- you then said "anecdotes are stories" .... my question is are you saying that her blood test results showing her protein levels are in the accepted range is just anecdotal evidence or did you just ignore that part in your response ? Sure to say someone looks healthy is generally anecdotal but combined with medical tests showing her protein levels are fine kinda means you either don't believe the test is accurate or you chose to ignore it..
+Dean Johnson She chose to ignore it.
freelee secretly eat chicken. i saw it in DR video ;)
+Hannah R so exactly how does your response address the question I posed ? your analogy of a 100 year old smoker is purely anecdotal which is precisely what this channel is about trying to avoid...So you either believe in the test result "process" or you do not. Freelee could certainly be eating things that keep her levels to be where they are that don't make it on her what I eat in a day videos like potatoes etc. so to single her raw till 4 practice out as a way to prove she is protein deficient based on cherry picking the days that "make her #'s look bad" which is still highly debatable is anecdotal itself....p.s Raw till 4
***** lol -- "You can't make sweeping conclusions using such a small sample size" UV's video itself used a small sample (women only) and only a few cherry picked days to "make the #'s work" in her favor..... come on.....
***** I appreciate your long thought out response -- that said you are one example that didn't work for some reason --I on the other hand have found it DOES work for me after many years --- Again I believe you are misinterpreting what RT4 is.... If in the afternoon you eat potatoes, rice, beans, lentils etc. you will NOT be protein deficient even with those elevated #'s UV is touting we should be getting....and to be clear a person does not need the things I mentioned above if they eat more of the raw foods throughout the day though I choose to eat those afternoon things more for variety and NOT for protein though of course it means I get even more protein..... To me the root of the issue is that there is a stigma meat/dairy eaters have attached to being vegan as a reason they CANT go "whole foods" because they will lack protein which is categorically wrong and videos like UV's "protein deficiency" video only serves to ingrain that vegan / wholefood = protein deficient mindset regardless of her ?good? intentions....
but the Okinawan diet is very high in carbohydrates, and low in protein and fat, and they have the most centenarians!!
+Rebecca W. actually the Okinawan diet is rich in vegetables and seafood (Most seafood is protein so it wouldn't be low in protein) For some reason they don't seem to count Fish as a meat..... But fish is actually a meat and fish is one of the primary protein sources in the Okinawan Diet.
I just thought you should know...
yeah... Fish are made of meat.
+Darkeklaw also, according to nutritionfacts.org, epidemiological studies show that diets high in carbohydrate and low in fat and protein are associated with lower levels of depression and anxiety and have beneficial effects on psychological well-being. so high carb is better for your mind!
+Darkeklaw Nope, according to www.okicent.org, the total average percentage of protein in the Okinawan diet was 9%, Fat was 6%, and carbohydrate was 85%. Sodium was also 1115mg, and potassium 5199mg
+Darkeklaw You're making stuff up. Okinawans didn't eat a diet high in fish.
+Rebecca W. What Okinawans primarily eat is a diet low or non existent of processed foods. Focusing on diet is cute but there are other powerful factors such as stress (lack thereof), Karate Do and Okinawa Te, lifestyle, healthy attitude toward aging (older age means improvement not the end of life), productivity, no debt, a sense of community, fresh air, clean water, not getting vaccinated for every fucking thing, strong families, no mercury fillings in the mouth, AND GENETICS!!!... I'm sure you can add more to this list.
Im vegan for 2 years - Protein level normal - Im following all of DR's advice. Working great.
As I earlier commented, the Freelee army was going to come out to get you when you published the original video on protein/lysine. Good job on your retorts thus far. I think it is priceless that Ryan is citing the WHO especially since HCLF vegans don't follow their recommendations for a healthy diet. I also haven't found where the WHO references any of McDougall's studies/papers on their site though he (Ryan) seems to be intermingling facts from the WHO and McDougall as though they are connected.
You are one of the healthiest looking vegans I've seen on youtube. Several of them are incredibly pale, or outrageously thin.
Freelee and HHV both look underweight in an unhealthy way. And I say that as someone who is barely touching her ideal weight, and for twenty some odd years (I'm 46) from her teens was ten to fifteen pounds under her minimum ideal weight. In other words, I used to look like them. (Maybe I'm biased and still do, lol.)
Glad you are a fan of the vegan RDs - I just bought their book b/c I am a twice-failed vegan and finally realized that if I would just GET THE NUTRITION RIGHT (including enough protein!) and IGNORE ALL THE "GURUS" who have ZERO formal training in nutrition, and instead listen to someone who actually knows what they are talking about (like an R.D.), I could finally be a "Vegan For Life."
When I was a kid maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 kids was what we considered "overweight", and what I remember as overweight then is what most kids look like now. There was also maybe 1 kid in an entire class (sometimes none) who we might have considered "fat". Now it seems that level of "fat" is everywhere. It's common where once it was rare. "Overweight" is the norm now. Freelee and HHV appear perfectly normal and fit to me. Maybe your perception is colored more by your environment than you know. Social norms have shifted and our perceptions have shifted with it. We have plus size models breaking into the mainstream and "fat shaming" is a thing. "Normal" is only healthy in a healthy population. Obesity and diabetes are epidemics in our country that is going to kill so many people in a few decades that our rising life expectancy may decline. "Normal" does not equal healthy in an unhealthy society, and unhealthy we are.
You know, that could be. And I'll admit that now that I've seen more of HHV's videos, he does look fine. Haven't watched too much of Freelee, though, b/c I don't care for the language she uses. But I will concede your point and accept your correction, Andrew. :)
RE: His critique of you only eating 49g of protein one day:
Just because you didn't hit your protein goal that day doesn't make the science behind protein requirements wrong. Those two things are unrelated. It seems as though he's using your personal one-day slip up to fuel his counterargument to the data you previous presented. Which is not cool.
I still have not seen cases of protein deficiency, though. Outside starvation.
What are we fighting against this time?
Real scientific facts! Thank you! I love how you keep it real, and you are not afraid to speak the truth. Your channel is perfect for people thinking about becoming vegan, newly vegan (that's me!) or have been vegan for many years. Please don't ever change! :)
Google masters debate.
Pretty much.
+FitnessReality Jesus loves you
I’m so thankful I found you before jumping into a high carb low fat vegan diet, I would never have sticked with it
As a registered dietitian myself I'm shocked at Ryan's lack of evidence based information! As a student we were made to calculate protein needs and we all learned the plants based protein is less bioavailable and vegan need more protein because if this. Where was he in these classes? And dont get me started on freelees lab interpretation and "5%" protein needs. Wtf?
whole plant foods like FRUIT has protein and plenty of protein needed AS LONG AS YOUR EATING ENOUGH.
What do these dietitians claim will happen if vegans don't increase their protein intake?
+Shelley McDonald
I don't know about these dietitians, but I've had a look around on some Australian Government websites.
They seem vastly more concerned about over consumption of protein, but they still say it's important to get around .75 grams per kilo of of body weight, more for pregnant woman, and the elderly etc.
To summarize, basically if you consume to much protein and animal products your internal organs will fall out of your arse!
If you don't get enough protein or you have an unbalanced protein profile, you'll have lower muscle mass, crappy looking skin, and be irritable with manky hair.
They also state that protein requirements and specific amino acid requirements vary a LOT between individuals, so the recommendations are there to cover everyone, so if many people can get by on half the recommended amount then that's not surprising. Of course if some people have issues eating slightly less than the recommended amount that too isn't surprising.
I know that eating relatively low protein made it very hard for me to stick to 100% vegan. Increasing protein rich plant foods really helps, or at least it really helps me.
What UNV says makes sense, what Ryan says is understandable but in my humble opinion is a slight oversimplification and isn't applicable to everyone as a significant percentage of the population do have slightly higher protein needs.
As always, your mileage may very - peace and good will.
The only reason Ryan mentioned Freelee is because you mentioned her first. Saying that anecdotes aren't evidence - a position I agree with - is nice. Maybe you should stop doing that too.
Ryan comes across as a bit slimy. The obsession with protein is his own, as well as the 90-5-5 people. Perhaps it's because they are confronted by meat-eaters who keep asking "where do you get your proteins" or "You don't get enough proteins".
But just in general, his issue with UN, and misrepresenting her, just seems personal (and irrational).
Dr Dean Ornish and Dr John McDougall have in the talks I have attended , noted that vegans do need more protein and that many are not getting enough because they have not done their homework and learned where vegan protein is found. And like it or not many vegans cannot afford to spend $100 a week of fresh fruits and vegetable as some vegan CZcamsrs show off. So beans, lentils do need to be stressed more as a part of a daily vegan lifestyle. Here us Der McDougalls take on protein drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/protein.htm
I was once watching a video on a vegan channel, I had just found it and liked it a lot, but was still testing it out. She mentioned in the video that she doesn’t think protein is important at all, and I’m like, ok, good bye.
This channel is great, I finally feel like I'm not being bullshitted
I love how respectful this debate is.
Lol
You've got new glasses, don't you? They suit you!
I actually think it's ok for you to respond to hhv's attacks (yes, that's what they are), because obviously you don't want their misinterpretation of what you're trying to say to influence people's opinions about you. And if you didn't respond, ppl would probably say you ran out of explanations, so...
As long as you're not attacking them back (which you're not), this is totally justified :)
Ps: your videos keep me sane! There's something so calming about you and you're the only vegan youtuber I can stand and watch on a regular basis!:D wish we could be friends!
I am so over his bs. I always regret donating to him because I've found a ton more sanctuaries and people who actually give to animals/vegan organizations. All I was doing was funding a narcissist's ego trip and giving them pizza. Here are a few things that irk me about him:
1) he doesn't claim or disclaim that he presently feeds his animals animal products(he does not need to but simply showing what he feeds them is a simple solution)
2) he constantly defends his family and friend's eating habits(I don't mind if my mom eats meat, etc)
3) when asked about if animal products should be made illegal he is against it(stating the "drug trade" as an example which means he isn't an abolitionist which veganism is about... "I don't think they should be jailed for it" is not a response to the question being asked, and it's a hypothetical. It shows he's consistently inconsistent)
4) he has no problem eating animals for survival(there are a few things I want to say regarding this: 1) he lives in California and is well off and has merchandise and tips that he gets and is a musician so clearly he isn't in any way a survival situation like a deserted island or whatever. 2) without hesitation he would say that he would consume bivalves if necessary, and why I find that problematic is that he says it promptly and without care. Well, mollusks bivalves oysters et cetera are all animals dude... let's look up the definition of veganism🛎
5) he's a bully(he spends nearly every Friday harassing people. Whether those people harass him or not is irrelevant, he still harasses people constantly. Case in point, when I told him about Buddhism and about alcohol consumption he got really defensive. I sited it as a contradiction, whatever. That stemmed from a previous conversation I had with him, note that I said conversation and not argument. So, I was subscribed to him for a while and he made a short of him drinking something at Disneyland or whatever. I simply commented in a ironic, playful, and informative way(didn't mean any spite or hate from it) "you would be happier and healthier if you quit drinking". So, his response to that was to harass me in this long message. I ignored how rude he was being and discussed why I felt that way and told him about why I felt that way and how as an ex alcoholic who quit shortly after going how life changing and beneficial it was. He responded with come to my live stream, so I did. He further harassed me, called me a precious snowflake(this is after the conversation where I told him I drank heavily and consistently for 10 years to medicate from my Bipolar disorder and PTSD and trauma as a child. I mentioned how the Buddhism thing but also said how by having a drinking game when you look up the definition you are causing more people to drink and some of those people might be in the same boat as I was where they see others drinking or they have a trigger and it causes them to relapse or get drunk or you know. So, with all of that said and done, how do you think Ryan, Anji, and his chat all handled that? They TO THIS DAY harass me in chat about it. I don't watch his streams anymore but a friend of mine does and tells me that he's been making shitty remarks about when he does the ding thing as well as members of his chat. Again, as a reminder my drinking days were some of the worst in my life and the last day I drank I had an attempt and after saying all of that he finds it amusing to him and his audience to further harass me and make fun of me for it.
6) he continuously claims to not be a narcissist(he has merchandise, he constantly promotes that merchandise,[to be fair I get the merch thing, you need to make $ in this gross society but my issue is not only his and his wife's ethics, but the prices which I also mentioned. Of course, he handled rudely and further tried to make me look bad in his streams. But whatever]) brags about how good he looks for his age constantly(some sort of ego trip that he picked up from Chris Cooney who is equally as awful as Ryan and also treated me like shit. I've noticed a common thread between people like Ryan, Katie, Chris, and Richard they're ego maniacs starved for attention and do not really care about others except themselves and the money they make from them. Not really my thing, my thing is the animals but that's neither here nor there. Because in all honesty who cares what people think you look like or should look like...)
Idk, maybe he'd be a "Happy Healthy Vegan" if he worked on himself more and stopped acting like a hypocritical, petty, foolish, money hungry, bully.
But what do I know with my hundred subscribers I'm a literal nobody and my voice, truth, and opinions amount to nothing.
Back when I was a bit more anti-vegan and believed that getting enough protein on a vegan diet for athletic purposes was near impossible people like HHV really didn't help.
When the topic of protein is brought up rather than bringing up highly bio-available protein sources such as soy or really tasty plants super high in protein such as beans and nuts or giving advice for healthily increasing protein I saw a bunch of sickly skinny self flagellators outright denying the importance of protein (which I knew was BS) and this lead me to believe they had no arguments.
What about vegan athletes like me? They are looking pretty damn good! Just have to eat more plants. Don’t see any protein deficiency cases in hospitals
As an athlete it's probably easier to meet needs for lysine, zinc, iron and other minerals because you're eating more calories. And what about all the ex vegans who had various problems (deficiencies and other health issues)? Most of them were eating like HHV recommends (i.e. mostly whole foods and enough calories). For those who don't need 3000+ calories/day that won't guarantee sufficient protein and minerals.
Your content was responsible and factual. Ryan was wrong and I copied my illustration of why. Your physique is exactly what you expect from a carbohydrate driven non-animal product, without doping or insane caloric restriction. There is nothing wrong with your body, you should be proud of it. Here is what I sent to Ryan..."Ryan I am going to be nice because you seem like nice enough guy. Unnatural vegan is pointing out an epidemic flaw in your community. Now, you should speak from knowledge not just question someone else's. Having said that I'm not going to cite sources just give 24 years of experience in fitness, wellness and performance nutrition. What unnatural vegan points out is an absolute problem in the mindless following among your community leaders. You are likely looking at them assuming their physique is due to their diet and using that as credibility to pursue a cruelty free diet. You big criticism, on one day(which I'm sure you cherry picked) unnatural fell 9 grams short of a reasonable goal. Not an ideal or optimal goal.One of the chief forms of malnutrition comes from repetition of types of food and food groups. In fact more commonly than starving or not having food. A problem we rarely face in western culture. I can say this Unnatural vegans physique matches her diet. Your physique matches your and I would guess in any given blood panel you have a nitrogen imbalance, deficient protein and you will likely have osteoporosis at some point in ten years.What is a non-sequitur is free lee's physique. She has extremely high lean body mass for someone with her professed diet. That leads me to the usual problem in you community. She is likely cheating. I went through ten years of painstaking work and nutrition to build an above average physique. Now that I'm trying to remove animal products that challenge has been represented to me. Each time I find a role model and look at their diet, either their diet in unhealthy by many standards or they have cheated at some point. Free lee and her lot are guilty until proven innocent. There has been so much cheating and lying in your community that you have credibility issues. Those who seem authentic simply have bodies that don't suit my aesthetic goals. I'm willing to compromise on those goals to remove animal cruelty from my diet but it will take a path that is scientifically correct and a leader who is not liar and does not prey on the young and uninformed.I'm sure Free lee is wicked nonce and you trust her but until she tests frequently and "free lee" I wouldn't follow her diet at her word. You in the name of intellectual honesty should applaud Unnatural Vegan for being honest about the challenges of vegan lifestyle and te inherent problems that come from removing all animal products. These problems are primarily imbalancing your macronutritionwhich will lead to gaining body fat(or the detox phase as the dishonest would present it) not finding vegetable sources with the full spectrum of amino acids, a lowering of lean body mass and in some cases kidney, pancreatic and liver dysfunction increasing faster than ordinary. Want citations... pay me. I'm too busy keeping in amazing shape natural 4 life and taking care of clients in a responsible fashion. You should retract your statements about Unnatural Vegans protein video, you should raise your own aptitude and not buy platitudes and ideologies wholesale and your whole community needs to stop preying on the uninformed, young and weak minded because of their love for animals. Also, talk about the real repercussions of each eating style in terns of how they impact the environment and the frequent human suffering they bring. Oh yeah, I'm trying to reduce animal suffering but not by increasing human suffering."
You are the most sensible, well-reasoning vegan I've come across on CZcams. It's a shame more people don't listen to reason and evidence.
Thanks for making a response video to Ryan video. I was wondering what do you have to say about his video about you :)
By the way, did you read the China study? If I remember it correctly, dr. Campbell says that a vegan should eat no more than 10% proteins. Every 5% jump above that increases the chances to develop cancerous cells. And his claims are based on a huge experiment that he did. So I believe it is scientific enough. What do you think about that?
Your videos are really boring, I almost fell asleep within the first 6 seconds.
+Megan Meow Bye Felicia!
Lol what an original comeback!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Never heard anyone use that before!
Megan Meow Seems we both excel at unimaginative trolling, yes? :p
Is it trolling if I voice my opinion about a video that's posted on a public website? No. She's boring. That's my feedback. If anyone else has said it, then that might be just a popular opinion. What you've said is a waste of you typing. Bye felicia? What are you 16? Lol bye bitch.
Megan Meow Are you usually this hyper-offended by people on the internet?
You are too clever for youtube ;)
+Vfor Vanish Clever at seeming correct. But see my latest 3 videos if you want the truth on this debate.
Vegans shouldn't fight over silly things
I really appreciate that you and HHV are willing to go back and forth critiquing each other on these kinds of issues. Although, I wondered why no one in this particular exchange bothered to address what lyseine is/does and why deficiency can be harmful. I know I can just look it up but I think it would have made for a better discourse to include these points.