As hilarious as "triggered by carbs" is, Ryan and Anji's behavior is appalling. Dismissing people because they don't agree with you by questioning their motivations not only ruins any chance for honest discussion, it also looks ridiculous to anyone who isn't part of the "keep it carbed" cult. No reasonable person would question someone's vegan-ness, particularly when that someone has a youtube channel dedicated to promoting veganism. If my arguments are so poor, they should be easy to counter. That Ryan and Anji have to rely on taking me out of context and questioning my character says everything. And that they can misread studies so badly to think the conclusions support their dogma makes discussing nutrition with them futile. This will very likely be my last response to HHV, since they've made it clear with this and past responses to me that they have no intention of engaging honestly. I hope they can break free of the low fat dogma one day, but I won't hold my breath.
I know everyone is responsible of their own actions but sometimes I really am embarrassed to be a vegan in a world filled with vacant high carber youtubers, nutcases like durianrider, attention whores like vegan cheetah, batsh*t crazy old ladies like Freelee. UGH... Where is the brain bruh?
+NatuHealth I agree. Black and white thinking is a sign of lower emotional intelligence. It's not about taking sides dude, it's about giving credits to whomever deserves it and criticizing the misinformation on whichever side to spread better understanding of the topics discussed. Not criticizing veganism is not realistic, people are waking up one day and decide to be 'happy healthy' by eating rice and beans is not realistic. Questioning the unquestionable things and making people 'think for themselves' even if it's wrong based on defined terms is the way to come to the conclusion that will result change in behavior over time.
You, UV just seem to thrive on making videos dismissing people and their points of view with a smug selfish abandon that seems nauseating in the extreme. It's that smug self-righteous tone that you seem to exude that really is a trigger for most. And it generally seems you are here to nitpick over silly issues that in the wider scheme of things really do not matter an iota.
lヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ She doesn't have a political cause, so it's not propaganda. And she is not anti-vegan, an omnivore like me is very convinced by her to eat more plant-based. Pseudo science vegans, nope, just scaring me away.
I didn't realize we were calling into judgement his entire character and life history, instead of just evaluating his accuracy in this specific instance. . .
not a vegan, but as a molecularbiologist with medical knowledge, i really appreciate your sensible approach. you´re doing the nice vegans a favor by being a good example. and to be honest, i eat a lot healthier since i started watching your content. thanks a lot. greetings from germany
Aite aite aite aite aite aite everyone has a diet, a diet is literally just what you eat in a day. Veganism can be a very healthy diet when it's done with planning and a focus is put on obtaining all the necessary nutrients and supplementing if you aren't getting them.
Guten Tag to the molecular biologist from Germany! 😁 I'm happy to hear you're eating better! I love when people watch cool vegans like UV and make changes in what they eat. I think some day, science will progress to the point where we really can live in a "Star Trek vegan" world (where all kinds of meat and dairy can be grown like in a lab, without any animals ever being killed or hurt) but meanwhile, if more and more people make even small changes that are more humane, these changes all add up and help reduce animal suffering. So greetings to everyone who reads this. . . even now, two years later. . . Even if you're not vegan, you can always make some humane changes to what you eat or wear😘
Vegans use every Marxist, leftist dirty trick and tactic in the book to try and crush opposing opinions that show veganism is a fraud and a radical cult..
xosecox12 Troll Implies that She UV is doing it Over And Over again or in a way to purposefully cause arguments amongst many viewers/readers for the sake of undermining the original person or people attacked..
goldsilverandiamonds But No,Not all Vegans are like that. I do agree many *but not most are, it's embarrassing really. I don't need anyone or group of friends to be Vegan With Me to Justify stuff i feel and research...
"Troll" was such a brilliant metaphor in the early days of the internet, when it was a VERB, derived from the fishing technique. Someone who "trolled" a USENET group, a "troller" I suppose, was typically writing absurdly offensive content that they themselves didn't believe, in order to create a shitstorm of outrage for their and others' amusement. It meant dragging your lure along and seeing who bites. Illiterate morons who don't know that meaning of "troll" changed it to the ugly, evil creature, despite that metaphor not really making any sense.
Rogan called the doctors BS artists and UV tried to convince us that he “walked it back” when he later said that “they mean well.” I’d consider BS artist worse than troll, yet UV feels like defending him for it, because she probably agrees, never mind that these doctors are all published and peer reviewed, and base their opinions on their findings.
As a meat eater I would be much more receptive to your style of reasoning instead of Happy vegans. As long as you stay open and are not dogmatic, I will be listening much more.
Wow. People always complain that vegans aren't listened to and when someone finally says that they'll listen, you try to shame them. Good job with that conversation.
As a vegan of 5+ years now... I have come to learn (the hard way) and accept that high-carb low fat is actually not 'the only way' nor is it always the healthiest, especially long-term. An interesting note, the healthiest vegan I know (most active, healthiest looking, healthiest in general), has been vegan for over 20 years, raised both of her healthy children vegan, and she often eats eats low-carb, high fat and high protein, and does 'keto' sometimes. Vegans are being made to be afraid of clean plant-based protein and fat and that's not a good thing.
Is this the same Erin Janus who send VeganCheetah after Emily/BiteSizeVegan? The same Cheetah who is now facing charges for harassing and bullying another woman on youtube What stopped you from contacting Emily directly? Pretty face Unbelievably shallow, dark and nasty in the inside
"A vegan would take the side of bro rogan instead of MEEE, a cogent, intelligent VEGAN??!?!" It isn't about taking sides, ffs. That's just a circlejerk. Rationality and logic are paramount.
Can anyone actually remember a time when Ryan accepted an argument and changed his stance? When confronted with a counterargument, he will just repeat his original argument, appeal to authority or fall back on personal allegations. You'd be more successful arguing with a rock.
From my POV Unnatural Vegan is accepting of counterarguments and adjusts her stance. Because she is ready to admit when she is wrong and adjust, her being "right" feels well earned, not just a coincidence.
I'm not vegan, but I love your channel because it's informative and educational, you don't focus on personal attacks and tearing other people down like other vegans. If more channels were like yours, there would be more vegans in the world
Dezmond Applin He channel is so informative and so educational... Yet you are still not vegan. That exactly shows if more channels were like hers, there would NOT be more vegans in the world. Her channel makes you and other non-vegans comfortable and not wanting to change.
No Name I'm a vegan. And I'm a vegan thanks to her. Finding this channel was a turning point for me as I hesitated for a long time due to never quite being convinced that it's a healthy diet. The way she presents facts and arguments was incredibly appealing to me, whereas when watching channels like that vegan couple's, I was turned off by their passive aggressiveness and a feeling that I was being forced into doing something, which pushed me away. Hated Vegan Gains as well and thought he was a psycho. Now that I'm actually vegan, this channel along with vegan gains' channel (surprisingly) are the only ones I can bear and watch regularly. Different approaches work for different people. I'm not into psychotically chirpy people who tell me that my digestive tract is long, therefore I'm a herbivore. I'm comforted by facts and not being lied to. I don't like sugarcoating either. Knowledge is power. Present reality to me and it will best arm me to make good decisions for my health. Ethics are number one for me too, and UV always does an amazing job presenting those arguments.
Dezmond However she does ignore many topics that prove veganism is unhealthy and bad. Here is a new massive, decades long, study of over 140,000 people around the world that all vegans are ignoring. www.cbsnews.com/news/large-study-suggests-carbs-not-fats-bad-for-you/
goldsilverandiamonds can you explain how the link you posted proves veganism is bad? I read the article and I have no idea what you're talking about, lmao. If anything, it just proves her point about high carb low fat veganism not being an optimal diet. It doesn't disprove veganism. It just tells you what people have known for many years now - refined carbohydrates are bad for you. Again, what exactly are you talking about when you say this proves veganism is unhealthy? Are you kidding? Lol
kat kat The vegan diet is typically a high carbohydrate low fat diet. The study proves high carbohydrate and low fat diets actually increased death rates. This study followed over 140,000 people from around the world for many decades and from all age groups. This study had nothing to do with "refined carbohydrate's" but ALL carbohydrates including plants based, grains and fruits as carbohydrates sources. As a matter of fact since this study was done using people from around the world it is likely most people ate fewer refined carbohydrates and more complex carbohydrate like natural fruit, grains and vegetables for their carbohydrates. How did this study prove veganism is unhealthy? Well it proved that a higher carbohydrate lower fat diets actually increased death rates compared to those who did not follow that type of diet. Again vegans tend to eat a very high carbohydrate low fat diet this is a well known fat and this kind of diet is aggressively promoted by most vegans. A diet that has been shown to increase death rates. The study did not set out to prove veganism was an unhealthy diet but clearly the results prove veganism is as followed by most vegans. There are few,very few higher fat , high protein vegans since plants really cannot offer many foods or diverse food options to fit this kind of diet and in reality this kind of vegan diet is very tough to successfully eat and even afford.
Lol you're paid by big pharma? (Their comment) lol apparently a trillion dollar industry cares about a little CZcams channel 😂😂😂 those people are absolute lunatics.
I love that she has a million videos about why diary, eggs, and meat aren't necessary for our health but she's somehow a shill paid by the meat and dairy industry. People are so stupid. She is vegan. All of us rational people know that. She wouldn't be so anti-palm oil if she didn't care about veganism. These people are calling her a "troll" and criticizing her for not following their nutrition plan. They hate someone because she doesn't believe in eating 10 bananas for breakfast. Do they not stop and think about how stupid it is to hate someone for fucking nutrition?
I'm not saying that unnatural vegan is paid by anyone but it is true that people get paid to spread disinformation. Just research CIA operation mocking bird, it's declassified.
Also the US egg lobby did pay bloggers and chefs to promote their products so it's not unthinkable that a channel with over 100k subscribers could be backed by industry funds. I think the reasoning that she couldn't be funded because her channel is "small" and the industry is big, is very flawed, however I still don't think she is but it's certainly not "lunacy" because of the reasoning provided.
First of all I clearly stated that I don't think she receives industry funds, secondly I am not aware of any such industry actually funding creators of various forms of media. It's only because I know actual cases of both egg, dairy and meat lobbies doing very ethically questionable funding and preassuring of politicians, scientists, bloggers, chefs etc. that I even consider the possibility. I was just pointing out the flawed logic of the first post.
I agree with you here 100%. You are one of the main reasons I transitioned to being vegan. I've lost 50lbs and turned my health around. You were the first person online who said I didn't have to eat raw or high carb. I eat pretty much anything I want that is vegan and I've lost 50lbs easily. Still about 100lbs overweight but am already healthier and happier. Keep up the good work, you are such an inspiration to me.
calories are calories whether they come from meat, fat or carbs. Eating less is the answer, not veganism. People can still be overweight on vegan diets
Val T for losing weight, sure eating less calories is the answer, not being vegan. I could eat 4 steaks and nothing else every single day and lose weight. From a health standpoint I would probably be very unhealthy and deficient in nutrients same goes if I ate 10 Oreos everyday, while technically vegan would be unhealthy. I don't attribute being vegan to my weight loss. I attribute eating healthy to becoming a healthier person, not in just weight loss but other health markers as well.
goldsilverandiamonds vegan actually makes a lot of sense if you plan. Animal rearing is a huge drain on resources for the amount of food it produces (if it's fertile land, you can grow 3x the food than you can raising animals), animal products don't need to be consumed like they are in the US (which pretty much every dietary organization agrees that Americans eat too much meat, sugar, and salt), there is rampant animal abuse in the meat industry, and particularly cows produce a LOT of methane which contributes to global warning. Not everyone has to go vegan, but being vegan has its benefits.
I appreciate that you can and do admit when you're wrong. I appreciate that you often concede when the person you're critiquing is right. I appreciate that you point out when nonvegans are right. All of that, I think, proves that you are the rational one in this debate. You don't stoop to person attacks, even though it would be really easy. Happy Healthy Vegan is wrong. They are the ones who have a vendetta against you.
This is where one of my favourite quotes are perfectly applicable: "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool" - Shakespeare
The amount of emphasis he put on saying that and I was sitting there thinking "Dude, you can't even read a study that looks at people with an uncommon genetic defect."
elcuban903 "this bitch" never claimed to be a cogent and intelligent vegan. Although every right minded person on CZcams will agree that she is rational as fuck.
Thank you for being such an intellectually honest person. I'm a science loving med school student and I really cant stand all these cultish anti-GMO low fat zealots.
Juho Rouhe I think my favorite thing is when they point to their blood tests and say "see! It's healthy!" And then when I comment that my blood results are good too and I eat fat, I get told "the blood results aren't necessarily indicating you're healthy." 🤦🏻♀️
tw Absolutely! The proof that they don't have enough evidence to support their claims is that all of their "response videos" have ad personam attack as one of the main points. So immature.
+akai dude This is the case on both sides. I have seen more fallacious arguments from carnists. It really just depends on who you watch. If you watch anyone who doesn't fully understand stuff, or have the intellectual honesty to be objective, there is going to be confirmation bias on both sides.
In the past I tended to be skeptical of you. At this point you made such good arguments my ears are open. Thank you for risking a reputation to be a beacon of truth and rationality on vegan CZcams.
As a non-vegan, I'm really happy I found you, and no, the completely childish personal attacks levied at you by both Happy Healthy Vegan and The Vegan Couple ensures that I will never be able to trust their videos. I really appreciate that your videos are based on facts and evidence. I probably will never go completely vegan, I'm too attached to milk in my coffee, but I am trying to reduce the amount of meat I consume every week. One of the reasons for that is following your channel, but the main reason is probably that cooking with mock meats or beans is just so much easier for me than cooking with meat.
Hey to be annoying, I'm too attached to my soy milk/creamer in my coffee too. Especially from Trader Joe's 😍 love, an ex dairy addict, new old vegan who gives unsolicited advice to strangers online most likely to annoy and push them away 😆
DontSigh good on you for cutting down your meat consumption! I'm similarly cutting animal products, and am super happy to have found this channel. It's a big motivation for me :)
Isn't it ironic that they accused her of attempting to unsuccessfully "rip "What the Health" a new one", and that she did that very thing to them with great success in this video.
Reminds me of a time I commented to one of their videos saying Ryan hadn't read the study correctly and that his psychology major doesn't give him any validity in analyzing (bio)medical papers because the research is done in a very different way. I got back an angry answer about me being wrong(of course I could take it, because I have studied biomedical sciences and knew I was right). Personally the thing I had the biggest problem with was the fact that he wasn't completely respectful and acted almost megalomane (if this is the right way to say it in English). He just could have done without his defensiveness and asked what he could do different since I had given advise already (although maybe a little bit on the blunt side).
Sammie Schmall exactly...she's vegan for ethics and this movie was about health. She can argue against health claims made by vegans and still believe in veganism.
Sammie Schmall well that's the thing. Anything can be said it is a joke. One can interpret studies now they want! So let's just all do what works for us right?
s B But what the health got it wrong... studies they used in the movie were interpreted incorrectly. If I ate hand fills of sugar my blood triglycerides will increase, why? Because your body turns any excess calories into fat.
+Wade Schipprack: That's irrelevant because triglycerides are not the same thing as free fatty acids. UV makes the same mistake. Her interpretation of the genetic study is correct but the others are wrong.
Yctaxi Then don't get involved in drama. It's not some exclusive club you have to be a part of. You don't need to get a channel and get into arguments with other vegan youtubers. Tbh my life isn't much different since going vegan, but I know what I have on my plate caused less suffering to animals and less harm to the environment. It can be very rewarding.
I feel for you. I really do. You are part of a community that constantly turns on you even though you have the same goal. They reject you for having a critical eye even though being able to speak from a ration position would help the shared cause.
I have a syndrome called PCOS which makes it extremely difficult to lose/maintain weight- and since I started to avoid carbs completely (even whole grains, and I even try to limit high-carb fruits and veggies) and since cutting back on carbs I have been able to stabilize and maintain my weight. I also consume high amounts of healthy fats and proteins and I feel amazing! Obviously this isn't what most normal people have to go through, however I think its really unfair for high carb vegans to act like there way is the only way because I am a perfect example that high carb isn't sustainable, especially for those with conditions such as mine.
So now all vegans have to have all the same thoughts and believe everything another vegan say. Wow happy healthy vegan really makes this lifestyle seem appealing
Black and white thinking is a sign of lower emotional intelligence. It's not about taking sides dude, it's about giving credits to whomever deserves it and criticizing the misinformation on whichever side to spread better understanding of the topics discussed. Not criticizing veganism is not realistic, people are waking up one day and decide to be 'happy healthy' by eating rice and beans is not realistic. Questioning the unquestionable things and making people 'think for themselves' even if it's wrong based on defined terms is the way to come to the conclusion that will result change in behavior over time.
tw Are you implying Veganism is an unrealistic diet/lifestyle? "People are waking up everyday and realizing they can't be 'happy healthy' eating beans and rice?" Explain coz I'm ready to tear you a new one
ala Nobody eats like that but people who eat meat tend to spread rhetoric laced with lies. Amongst their peers, a statement like "vegans only eat beans and rice" sounds accurate. Some people legit think vegans eat grass and lettuce to survive. I'm only rejecting that stereotype being forced onto veganism.
EddLiam This person is vegan. They say so in another comment. They were criticizing vegans for telling people they can eat nothing but beans and rice and be healthy.
Thank you for making these videos. Thank you for being honest and transparent and level headed and rational. I completely disregarded veganism for a long time mainly due to other vegan youtubers because they presented a diet that seemed unsustainable for me, too expensive, too restrictive, backed my pseudoscience. But you really helped me take a rational look at my diet and I feel confident that a vegan diet IS sustainable. I was 16 when I found your channel, and very impressionable, so thank you for doing what you do
Cher Rendon I don't get this. CZcams isn't real life and there are so many studies supporting so many things. Do what works for you. Veganism is about ethics not a diet but a healthy diet makes it sustainable for sure. If I have an issue with my diet at some point I will do more research and do something else but because of ethics I can't see myself not being a vegan
The Viet Vegan is also really cool and she links to other normal vegans that aren't crazy. Vegan Athlete is kind of like a cross between Unnatural Vegan and Bite Size Vegan, a bit more activism but also very rational. Bite size vegan makes Unnatural Vegan videos for children and their normal questions about veganism
Luckily the vegan community in Norway, and Scandinavia in general is not like this. Most vegans here agree that What The Health is not a good source to knowledge. Seems like the vegan communities in the US, UK and Australia as well are based on pseudoscience where it is normal to mostly eat raw fruit and veggies and avoiding "unhealthy" foods, focusing on weight loss, be against vaccination etc., which I think is very unfortunate for veganism. At the end of the day, does it matter what vegan diet someone eats as long as it is vegan? The animals dont care, thats for sure. Glad there also are vegans like you on social media - the vegan community needs it.
Anniken Olsen I think you are confusing vegan community with vegan CZcams And HCLF vegans. Most vegans all over aren't part of that specific movement.. you are generalising quite abit.
You are right, sorry. I actually meant vegan youtubers from these countries. But I dont see the same problem among vegan Scandinavian youtubers/bloggers etc.
As a non-vegan, this couple gives veganism literally the worst name possible. Honestly, I watched their video and was ready to burst into flames until I saw you responded!
I am pretty unbiased between both channels. but Anji's attitude/comments/behaviour was beyond childish! She lost all credibility with the way she was acting.
irk i would've at this point degenerate to being way more pissy and sarcastic with my delivery. some of her opposers just have no self reflection and lack in trying to be mindful of basic stuff about honest debate (like maintaining context and not doing stupid ad homs) and they act in an arrogant school bully type of way as if they're butthurt af.
Aliisa Kalma it's probably because she isn't lying to herself and all her viewers and she isn't starving her body of the food it wants lmao, clear conscious and good food.
Have you ever seen Daria? It was a series on MTV way way back. Unnatural Vegan has Daria's personality a bit, and the glasses, yes, they both wear nearly the same glasses. Uncanny resemblance, especially with UV's lack of emotionalism, and intellectual-ish characteristics. UV is an unnatural vegan, I guess. Not all that extremist, nope.
I am really happy that you posted this video regarding high carb vegan diets, as someone who is on a medicine that raises my triglycerides it was very hard for me to figure out how on the “perfect vegan diet” I was gaining more fat and having a-lot of trouble getting it off especially around the waist, so this message of high carb veganism is misleading and can end up giving people like me problems even though we seem to be following the diets we are told to follow.
Something that my dad has said many times has changed my perception and interactions with people. He says, "When you are arguing or debating something with someone and they start lobbing personal attacks or criticisms, often with emotional bias, they cease to be in a rational debate and you will not change their minds. It immediately discredits whatever follows, no matter how grounded in reality it may be, because they cannot deliver any fact without attacking you. You are best off to disengage and either leave it be or try again later when they're willing to leave personal emotions at the door." He varies in how he phrases it, but the point is always the same: Where there are personal attacks, they lack valid points and any valid information they may attempt to deliver after that is automatically questioned. It is the fastest way to kill your own side of the debate. I applaud you for taking this point by point and countering/clarifying in a logical and calm manner. I understand they're passionate about what they believe. However you can be passionate while also maintaining a sense of maturity, dignity and calm and present your case based on the information you wish to share rather than calling people names, implying nafarious character and motivations and deflecting through insults and misdirection. I wish more people could just have a rational, calm conversation.
honestly anyone who has watched all these response videos can see that Swayze has structured, logical arguments and shows both sides of the story, but HHV jumps to conclusions, uses scare tactics and accusations and edits out of context.
the good News are durianrider does not think you are a shill anymore...just a huge disappointment, dont know if thats better, also I want a "triggered by carbs" shirt :p
A bas le ciel has a vendetta against Swayze, probably that's why durianrider doesn't bother to talk shit about her. That's the kind of emotional awareness they both have
When a person starts accusing someone of "siding with the enemy" it makes me question the validity of anything they say. It's not " I don't know why they aren't agreeing with me because of all these facts " it's basically "we have this in common so they should take my side even if I'm wrong." It's really sad how out of touch they are.
I've had to unsubscribe from many hclf channels I used to watch because of shit like this. Why is it so hard to accept there are multiple ways to eat vegan and be healthy? Why is it that a vegan who disagrees with hclf is a fake or a shill? So ridiculous.
Honestly, I suspect HHV is just worried your thoughts have become more credible than theirs, so they feel they need to take you down a peg by painting you in a negative light. Their video seemed full of projection to me. Just some popularity politics in action. Great video that will only establish your reputation even more.
Dude honestly I love your videos. I know you respond to correct what others are mistaking but I agree with you on not responding anymore. In my opinion responding to their nonsense is only helping their word. It brings viewers to their channel, which they're loving. Other than that keep doing what you're doing and don't let people like that ruin your inner peace.
Summer Solstice that's not an ok word to use. The t word is a derogatory and oppresive slur used against the trans community for decades. Most trans people are very triggered by it. You can't even imagine the pain that reading that word in your comment produces to them. It's very likely that they've been called that in situations in which they were severely humiliated, abused, physically attacked, insulted and/or dishumanized. Some trans people reclaim the word, and if a trans person tells you that they are ok with it, then you can call that specific trans person the t word. But it's completely inmoral to use it in a generic way or with a trans person that haven't given you permission to use that word with them. Please stop using it
Fat does cause insulin resistance but it is probably not dietary fat but rather the fat the body makes when it takes in excess calories. That said, low fat may help some people keep their calorie intake reasonable so to each their own. Great video!
Very well done, Swayze! I disagree with some of your advice about what a "proper" vegan diet is, but I believe you are a true ethical vegan and are doing a great service to the world, and especially the ANIMALS. Salute from The Netherlands!
I'm a meat eater, but the way you present veganism seems reasonable and logical, it helps to actually see a realistic diet that maybe one day I could achieve. I think vegetarian would be a good first step though.
@@Србомбоница86 I understand that parts of it could be unhealthy, I don't look into it for health benefits and would try to find the appropriate substitutions and supplement what I would miss out on. I wish to not eat meat for environmental consequences, we are slowly killing Earth and mass animal farming is a huge part of the issue
As a high carb fellow, I'm extremely grateful for your science based work. Some people just don't want to take on the burden of having to think critically and I can't really blame them either.
I can't tell you enough how much this has opened my eyes. As vegans often we blindly follow the mainstream knowledge and well known doctors as infallible gods but it's true, we're all human. It's like you're being outcasted brvause you don't agree with everything the vegan patriarchs think so your dubbed as a troll and a fake vegan. No guys, she just has a different opinion and some good facts to support it so maybe actually listen to your fellow vegan with open ears and a open mind. Are we in elementary school?
I used it once because a discussion went nowhere and we both had vaild points. Only problem: the other party didn't want to see my valid points (part of which came straight from my scientific textbooks...) +John Brown
mythologiefan - Yes, there are perfectly legitimate ways to use the phrase. Normally this is when it becomes clear in a debate / discussion, that there's no immediate prospect of any sort of agreement and one wishes to move on to a more fruitful topic. More often than not these days however it seems it's used not post-debate, but to prevent debate from ever happening in the first place. Typically this will be a stupid person attempting to insulate their stupid beliefs from any criticism (although often they'll attempt to rationalise this trick by claiming it is the *other* person that's stupid and thus it would be pointless to engage them in debate) , or a stupid person who likes to think that "all opinions are equally valid".
I like your channel. You're the only vegan I've seen here that isn't suffering from the Dunning Kruger Effect. I wonder whether we should ditch the word 'vegan' entirely and simply call ourselves 'vegetarians'... and then simply expand on that depending you your diet: Strict Vegetarian (aka 'vegan') Ovo-lacto Vegetarian (occasionally eat eggs/dairy) ...and so on. Too many nutters have tainted the word 'vegan' in my opinion and it's hard to get rid of the stench. I'm a medical doctor and have been vegetarian for many years... and now I'm practically vegan. I watched 'What the Health' and my diagnosis: utter rubbish.
Sigh, they (HHV) obviously don't listen to what others are actually saying. That is so frustrating. Talking in an empty room is even more usefull. Also, they are constantly talking about science without having the skills to understand the science they read. The fat confusion is a fantastic example for that here.(09:50) It happens with other youtubers as well. They do not know how to read the science and don't realize that they don't know.
I don't want this comment to come across as petty, but I am genuinely curious-- I thought Botox was totally not considered vegan? Are there vegan alternatives to botox? Because it seems to me that Anji has quite a bit of Botox in her face. I could be wrong-- I just really dislike plastic surgery of any kind.
I just want to say that I'm so appreciative of this video and of your channel, generally. It was your videos that convinced me to finally go vegan (almost a year now!) and your continuing work to bring rational arguments to the vegan community and disprove pseudoscience is still so, so helpful to watch.
And their criticism of you makes no sense...you weren't arguing against veganism in your WTH debunking, you were arguing against their nutrition claims. That has nothing to do with attacking veganism. As a vegan, I criticize DR pouring sugar on his cereal but that doesn't mean I'm criticizing veganism as a whole just because he happens to be a vegan.
Thank you for being balanced on the fat, protein, carb ratio. Not everyone wants to eat only carbs. That is not balanced or healthy. Let everyone eat how they want and feel best with.
goldsilverandiamonds I'm not taking any sides, at first I didn't mind all the response videos. But To be honest now I am just getting a little sick of them. All I was doing was just voicing my opinion, I don't think your reply was necessary.
I would just like to point out that the study is from 2004. In the science field, it's considered far too old. Surely there are better and more recent studies to argue over?
I'm sorry that you are being misrepresented. It frustrates me that people have to use fear tactics to promote their diet. "Dont eat fat because you will get diabetics". That's why I like your approach of focusing on the ethical reasons. If we focus on the ethical reasons then we aren't so worried of which vegan diet is the one true diet. Also i would totally buy a shirt that says tiggered by carbs
Thank you. Ms. UV? We need open discussion! Not to argue, but to discuss. That statement you have shown already turned me to wards your channel. Thank you :)
You’re so very good at making thought-provoking content, giving great health advice. I hope someone scoops you up and gives you a show on Netflix. And then they cancel goop. Lol
Your so chill I love it! Sorry for the late comment but you've changed my perspective and have cut meat almost completely from my diet. On a vegan path, I have you to thank🌹
My only critique of this entire thing is that I wish people would distinguish the type of diabetes. Type 1 cannot be reversed. Type 2 can. By type 1 Imean those born with it. It’s just something that comes up a lot that irritates me as a type 1 diabetic
So when the intramyocellular lipids were 31% lower in the vegan group in this study below it was just their genes changing? Yes, when comparing people who eat the Standard American Diet, those with higher ILs may have genetic differences. However, to extrapolate that to 'All intramyocellular lipid variation is due to genes and not diet' is showcasing your lack of knowledge on the subject...as you criticize HHV for not understanding the same thing. Intramyocellular lipids are real and a factor in diabetes that is affected by diet. It would be easier to ignore the health aspect of veganism if all the doctors were quacks though... Study: "A low-fat vegan diet and a conventional diabetes diet in the treatment of type 2 diabetes: a randomized, controlled, 74-wk clinical trial" (Google title cuz links get blocked).
'All intramyocellular lipid variation is due to genes and not diet’ Where does she say that? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995502/ She discussed this study and states that it concludes that an inherited defect _could_ be the cause of the dysregulation of intramyocellular fatty acid metabolism. She then dismisses the claim that this study somehow implied consuming dietary fat was the cause of this dysregulation. Did you perhaps misinterpret what she was saying?
Mic. the Vegan I swear you, happy healthy vegan, and the couple are tainting this lifestyle. Bending facts to your convenience is insulting to the Vegan community. You guys treat this like a cult. To everyone else, I've tried both ratio diets including having my daily fat intake at 80% for a year. Lab results we're outstanding no matter what macronutrient ratio I used in my vegan diet. To simplify this argument that everyone has been having since this film came out, FATS ALONE DOES NOT CLOG ARTERIES, CARBS ALONE DOES NOT CLOG ARTERIES. The Combination of saturated fat's and simple carbohydrates is were you start running into problems. As for diabetes, just ask a diabetic what happens when the eat any starch or sugar. No brainer. These facts have been around for years, including in physiology books. I'm just so amazed that people are overlooking this just to fulfill an agenda. The ketogenic diet is harmless if completely understood. The Navy seals use it. Before there were epilepsy medications, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives. Before the production Rx insulin, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives of diabetics. Unnatural vegan has really stirred the pot with dry facts. No fear mongering, over-exaggerated claims, or personal attacks. Her delivery humbly invites meat eaters that want nothing but pure facts, without being insulted with biased info. To make this movement bigger, raising awareness with accurate data is paramount.
Led Samsung, please don't insult and attack the other vegan youtubers' character, that's the very immature and bad behavior that most of us here want to rise above, you'd like to believe you're more mature than Happy Healthy Vegan right? prove it. I think generally the comments on UV's channel are way more scientifically informed and mature than the other vegan youtubers, please lets keep it this way :)
+AceRebel6 _"As for diabetes, just ask a diabetic what happens when the eat any starch or sugar. No brainer."_ As a type 1 diabetic, I can vouch for what happens when you eat any bioavailable carbs - blood sugar rises. The speed of the increase depends on the amount of carbs eaten and the rate of processing in the body. Glucose reacts in single digit minutes, starches in double digit minutes to a couple of hours, depending what type it is and what else is eaten together with it and so on. Fat mixed carbs slows absorbtion and evens out any spike in blood sugar. _"Before the production Rx insulin, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives of diabetics."_ That's absolutely true. Type 1 diabetes is fatal without insulin, though, but a ketogenic diet increased longevity, often by years in those with type 1 diabetes.
Right on right on RIGHT ON!!! As antidotal as it may be, I am walking proof that high carb low-fat is not the way to go. And that is talking about preventative as well as reversal. As of this year I am eight years free of Metformin, A commonly used diabetes oral medication. When I first found out I was diabetic, I was 250 pounds with a blood sugar of 464. And my A-1 C was well over 10.5. I am now 140 pounds to 145 pounds, my blood sugar is normal and my A-1 C is 5.2. We are beef and pork free, and slowly weaning off of chicken, fish is next. I am trying to make sure I do this right as I don't want to reverse all of the work I have done. Even on a vegan diet I need to watch my carbohydrates. Beans and brown rice do wonders for my blood sugar, but I have to watch my fruit intake and be reasonable. I am so excited to have found a vegan like you and will hang on your every word of every video and do research right along with you. By the way, the way I reversed my diabetes was not no carb, but it was a lower carb diet higher in protein and unsaturated fat's. So again, walking proof though antidotal. Thank you again for all you do.
I like your testimonial that worked for you, but you should check-out the animal welfare issues too for being Vegan. There's really no reason to keep consuming any animal/fish products for dietary or diabetes reasons, so if you understand the animal welfare aspects you can stop that now. If you understand the research dropping your weight is the main reason you no longer are T2D. Maintaining your lower weight and doing some moderate exercise will continue your success with T2D. There are dozens and dozens of Vegan meat/fish substitutes that are available now that are not expensive. Wishing you well.
I am actually transitioning to Vegan now, my point was not that you should eat animal products but more so that you need to eat a lower in carbohydrates and higher in protein diet. Which is very doable with veganism. My agreement with her stems from the fact that high carb low-fat will never prevent nor cure diabetes. Again, mine is anecdotal evidence and research should be done and Dr consultation should be used when embarking upon a weight-loss plan, but eating high carb low-fat is definitely not a way to reverse diabetes, and I highly doubt it can prevent it. If you watch a couple of Ted talks, carbohydrates are the core problem. I don't need a lack of carbs, I just eat healthy carbs and it is balanced with protein and fiber.
Some people, including those with diabetes, do thrive on a HCLF diet. There is plenty of evidence for this in the Vegan community. Personally, I have not been able to do such a diet, HCLF, below 20% fat, but it definitely works for some people with T2D. Again, the key is losing the weight AND maintaining that weight loss. IF I did HCLF, then I would still eat 30% to 40% fats with some meals every week or so. That's just personal preference to avoid possible nutrition problems. Diet is still an art form and many people would not do well on HCLF for so many reasons, but I think Vegans can do this kind of diet and thrive. FullyRawKristina (FRC) had T2D as a teenager. She is totally raw and low fat for 12 years now and is thriving on that diet. Plenty of Vegan medical doctors have HCLF programs for reversing T2D and Heart Disease. Testimonials abound by the thousands online that are legit. *It can work for many people, but it's definitely not the only solution by any means.* (I just used FRC as an example, since she's well known as a CZcams Raw Vegan. I do not follow her diet, obviously, and only a fraction of Vegans could do her diet long-term, imo.)
I used to enjoy their channel but the last year or more I've found HHV to be increasingly smug. For example Ryan cites the same studies over and over and ignores anything that contradicts him. I'm honestly not sure if either Anji or Ryan is intelligent enough to realise that they're damaging the vegan message by being so blind. Debate is necessary, criticism is necessary, and the moment we stop questioning we become naive lemmings jumping off a cliff.
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I accidentally started watching 'What the health' without knowing it's promoting vegan diet, and I was like what the f*, this is a bad documentary.. and I started looking for commentary on yt, and was amazed how most of the vegan community stick to the same talking points even though they make no sense. You were the only person, I found, who talked about it rationally, and with facts. Anyway I have since binge watched a lot of your videos, and your videos made me think about veganism as not just being cult like community (yes, I had a lot of prejudice against veganism), right now I've just moved to more plant based type of diet, and will see how it goes, since I'm from Balkan where meat is like staple food.
You are one of the most important vegan activists out there. Every now and then (rarely) I do think you critique stuff that doesn't necessarily need to be critiqued but still, you are the one rational no-BS, no redundancies, all well founded arguments vegan on the internet. I'm really sure that as time passes you will be seen as one of the most important vegan CZcamsrs of all times. So you just do you and ignore the stupid comments. Thank you for doing what you're doing! Also, can you please let us know if expressing support in the comment section is of any use? I'd be happy to do it more often but I get the feeling the comments just get lost and that I waste my time posting them.
I just realized: you're reacting to Happy Healthy Vegan reacting to you reacting to Joe Rogan reacting to Happy Healthy Vegan's documentary reacting to the average American diet :P
They do intentionally misrepresent people. In their video where they were talking about how Bill Gates wanted to make meat more accessible to the world, they intentionally misrepresented Gates' article. In his article he talks about the environmental effects of animal agriculture and reducing the world's overall meat consumption in order to make meat more accessible to all. Gates was still supporting meat consumption But they summarized his article dishonestly to show that Gates wasn't aware of the effects of animal agriculture on the world. They intentionally misrepresented a lot of what he said in his article.
I just noticed this video again and the Beach Boys' "California Girls" came into my head - I can only take the Beach Boys in small doses - I bought "Pet Sounds" and could never figure out why it's regarded as a seminal work ... Thinking about it, Ryan reminds me a bit of the passive-aggressive followers of Rajneesh I bumped into during the late 70s and early 80s who were into all sorts of woo ...
I wasn't a massive fan by any means of WTH (and yes, I'm vegan), but Rogan doesn't exactly backtrack on his 'bullshit artists' claim by saying that they 'mean well'. Arguably that's worse. Starts with dismissive slander, ends with being patronising. I haven't watched any of the previous video exchanges but picking up on that point above alone, there's no way at all that Rogan's second sentence cancels or balances out the first. And whether they 'mean well' or not, the doctors referenced are clearly not 'bullshit artists'.
"Those annoying vegans" have also made a response to your video. Would love to see your response to that too 😂 Although many vegans get butthurt by your way of delivering the "vegan message", I feel so much more drove to your style. It's really refreshing to see a vegan youtuber who doesn't ignore/manipulate facts or sugarcoat things. So thanks for that!!
I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian, but I find your videos fascinating. You're absolutely right. When people take a certain "tone" in an argument (specifically a condescending or superior one) it's hard to take them seriously. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, it's harder to take in what they're saying and process it because it's hard to empathize with those who won't level with you. It inhibits an educated exchange with learning and empathy between both parties involved.
I was so disappointed by What the Health...So many people I know say it's great and it made them vegan, which I guess is good? I don't know, it was really unconvincing and silly to me and I know that it will turn some people off to veganism :/ I was already vegan so I really just watched it to see what it was all about but ugh I could barely finish it
Well I think it is definitely a good thing, there is nothing harmfull in What the health, it was just over simplified in parts. There certainly are better and worse reasons to go vegan but even the worst are at some level good, just think about the animals.
that's definitely a generalization. This particular movie was misguided but the general scientific consensus is that a well planned vegan diet is perfectly healthy.
As a nonvegan you ere the first vegan I found who made mr realize not all vegans are "crazy". your videos have given me a more open mind to veganism and defently consider lowering the number of animal products I consume,
I was waiting for this video! Dropped what I was doing and curled up with a coffee. You're one of the only vegan youtubers I really love and it says everything how level headed you stay when they're throwing stupid unfounded insults at you and how dramatic and condescending they get when you present valid arguments
Coming from someone that isnt vegan....I dont care what diet you prefer, but the majority of vegans who are on social media are very arrogant and rude. I found your channel last week and I've just been binge watching all of your episodes because they're informative and you're very polite and humble.
No one would want to be in your position Swayze. In such, one would receive lots of backlash and hatred from unreasonable people. It's a vulnerable position, but I'm happy that someone like you is standing up for rationality and science in this community. Most importantly, you are willing to learn and admit to your mistakes, making you a person worthy in the academic field. Many people in this field can potentially be vegans if they think rationally and care about ethics and the environment. I know you will reach out to these people.
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As hilarious as "triggered by carbs" is, Ryan and Anji's behavior is appalling. Dismissing people because they don't agree with you by questioning their motivations not only ruins any chance for honest discussion, it also looks ridiculous to anyone who isn't part of the "keep it carbed" cult. No reasonable person would question someone's vegan-ness, particularly when that someone has a youtube channel dedicated to promoting veganism.
If my arguments are so poor, they should be easy to counter. That Ryan and Anji have to rely on taking me out of context and questioning my character says everything. And that they can misread studies so badly to think the conclusions support their dogma makes discussing nutrition with them futile.
This will very likely be my last response to HHV, since they've made it clear with this and past responses to me that they have no intention of engaging honestly. I hope they can break free of the low fat dogma one day, but I won't hold my breath.
I know everyone is responsible of their own actions but sometimes I really am embarrassed to be a vegan in a world filled with vacant high carber youtubers, nutcases like durianrider, attention whores like vegan cheetah, batsh*t crazy old ladies like Freelee. UGH... Where is the brain bruh?
+NatuHealth I agree. Black and white thinking is a sign of lower emotional intelligence. It's not about taking sides dude, it's about giving credits to whomever deserves it and criticizing the misinformation on whichever side to spread better understanding of the topics discussed.
Not criticizing veganism is not realistic, people are waking up one day and decide to be 'happy healthy' by eating rice and beans is not realistic. Questioning the unquestionable things and making people 'think for themselves' even if it's wrong based on defined terms is the way to come to the conclusion that will result change in behavior over time.
you're a fucking moron. you're out of your depth here and its painfully obvious how desperately you want to be smart, but really just aren't
You, UV just seem to thrive on making videos dismissing people and their points of view with a smug selfish abandon that seems nauseating in the extreme. It's that smug self-righteous tone that you seem to exude that really is a trigger for most. And it generally seems you are here to nitpick over silly issues that in the wider scheme of things really do not matter an iota.
imrandma says the one trying to use unnecessary big words to do the exact same thing they're bashing someone else for doing.
Not going to lie, I had a negative opinion of you for a long while, until I actually watched some of your content...
I feel dumb
Me too my friend, me too. Once you actually watch her content it's eye opening. She's taken out of context way too much.
Yes this happens. I love her integrity and open mindedness to real conversation, she's so thorough.
Matthew Rodriguez dumb but honest lol hey, I’m not a vegan and I love this channel
Yes! Same!
You shouldn't have had an opinion about her at all before actually watching her content...
I'm SO tired of hearing people calling each other trolls or haters instead of actually addressing the issues
you troll. get back under your bridge.
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ l calling "what the health" a good documentary is a good joke.
Louella.y then lets address the issues
lヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ She doesn't have a political cause, so it's not propaganda. And she is not anti-vegan, an omnivore like me is very convinced by her to eat more plant-based. Pseudo science vegans, nope, just scaring me away.
I didn't realize we were calling into judgement his entire character and life history, instead of just evaluating his accuracy in this specific instance. . .
not a vegan, but as a molecularbiologist with medical knowledge, i really appreciate your sensible approach. you´re doing the nice vegans a favor by being a good example. and to be honest, i eat a lot healthier since i started watching your content. thanks a lot. greetings from germany
Vegan is NOT a diet.....lol jk jk, good on you for making some changes
Aite aite aite aite aite aite everyone has a diet, a diet is literally just what you eat in a day. Veganism can be a very healthy diet when it's done with planning and a focus is put on obtaining all the necessary nutrients and supplementing if you aren't getting them.
Jacqueline Underwood they literally said they were joking.
Cherry Laurel me as a pipe cleaner and and sewage deposal ambassador, I say who to judge about vegan drama anyway? It’s entertaining
Guten Tag to the molecular biologist from Germany! 😁
I'm happy to hear you're eating better! I love when people watch cool vegans like UV and make changes in what they eat.
I think some day, science will progress to the point where we really can live in a "Star Trek vegan" world (where all kinds of meat and dairy can be grown like in a lab, without any animals ever being killed or hurt) but meanwhile, if more and more people make even small changes that are more humane, these changes all add up and help reduce animal suffering.
So greetings to everyone who reads this. . . even now, two years later. . . Even if you're not vegan, you can always make some humane changes to what you eat or wear😘
I hate the whole trend of calling EVERYONE who has an opinion you disagree with a troll. Troll has no meaning anymore now.
Vegans use every Marxist, leftist dirty trick and tactic in the book to try and crush opposing opinions that show veganism is a fraud and a radical cult..
xosecox12 Troll Implies that She UV is doing it Over And Over again or in a way to purposefully cause arguments amongst many viewers/readers for the sake of undermining the original person or people attacked..
goldsilverandiamonds But No,Not all Vegans are like that. I do agree many *but not most are, it's embarrassing really. I don't need anyone or group of friends to be Vegan With Me to Justify stuff i feel and research...
"Troll" was such a brilliant metaphor in the early days of the internet, when it was a VERB, derived from the fishing technique. Someone who "trolled" a USENET group, a "troller" I suppose, was typically writing absurdly offensive content that they themselves didn't believe, in order to create a shitstorm of outrage for their and others' amusement. It meant dragging your lure along and seeing who bites. Illiterate morons who don't know that meaning of "troll" changed it to the ugly, evil creature, despite that metaphor not really making any sense.
Rogan called the doctors BS artists and UV tried to convince us that he “walked it back” when he later said that “they mean well.” I’d consider BS artist worse than troll, yet UV feels like defending him for it, because she probably agrees, never mind that these doctors are all published and peer reviewed, and base their opinions on their findings.
As a meat eater I would be much more receptive to your style of reasoning instead of Happy vegans. As long as you stay open and are not dogmatic, I will be listening much more.
Everyone says that but never turn vegan. What will it take?
She's been at this for years of you're not vegan at this point. You'll never be.
Well I've not watched more than two videos :) But you are probably right. I would rather go insect only than fully vegan.
Wow. People always complain that vegans aren't listened to and when someone finally says that they'll listen, you try to shame them. Good job with that conversation.
Listening? How about some doing big boy.
As a vegan of 5+ years now... I have come to learn (the hard way) and accept that high-carb low fat is actually not 'the only way' nor is it always the healthiest, especially long-term. An interesting note, the healthiest vegan I know (most active, healthiest looking, healthiest in general), has been vegan for over 20 years, raised both of her healthy children vegan, and she often eats eats low-carb, high fat and high protein, and does 'keto' sometimes. Vegans are being made to be afraid of clean plant-based protein and fat and that's not a good thing.
Erin Janus you've gone quiet video wise.... I really enjoyed your content and still share it to this day. Anytime we re gonna see you??
Erin Janus who is she?
gisforgary, you can do vegan keto. Erin isn't suggesting they ever consume animal products.
Come back to CZcams, Erin. We miss ya.
Is this the same Erin Janus who send VeganCheetah after Emily/BiteSizeVegan?
The same Cheetah who is now facing charges for harassing and bullying another woman on youtube
What stopped you from contacting Emily directly?
Pretty face
Unbelievably shallow, dark and nasty in the inside
"A vegan would take the side of bro rogan instead of MEEE, a cogent, intelligent VEGAN??!?!" It isn't about taking sides, ffs. That's just a circlejerk. Rationality and logic are paramount.
Can anyone actually remember a time when Ryan accepted an argument and changed his stance? When confronted with a counterargument, he will just repeat his original argument, appeal to authority or fall back on personal allegations. You'd be more successful arguing with a rock.
Azjatycki Cukier exactly
can anyone remember a time you weren't a stupid bitch?
Poor Cheryl, you triggered, peckerwood?
Funny, sounds a lot like Unnatural Vegan to me. Except she'll throw in some strawman arguments just for good measure.
From my POV Unnatural Vegan is accepting of counterarguments and adjusts her stance. Because she is ready to admit when she is wrong and adjust, her being "right" feels well earned, not just a coincidence.
I'm not vegan, but I love your channel because it's informative and educational, you don't focus on personal attacks and tearing other people down like other vegans. If more channels were like yours, there would be more vegans in the world
Dezmond Applin He channel is so informative and so educational... Yet you are still not vegan. That exactly shows if more channels were like hers, there would NOT be more vegans in the world. Her channel makes you and other non-vegans comfortable and not wanting to change.
No Name I'm a vegan. And I'm a vegan thanks to her. Finding this channel was a turning point for me as I hesitated for a long time due to never quite being convinced that it's a healthy diet. The way she presents facts and arguments was incredibly appealing to me, whereas when watching channels like that vegan couple's, I was turned off by their passive aggressiveness and a feeling that I was being forced into doing something, which pushed me away. Hated Vegan Gains as well and thought he was a psycho. Now that I'm actually vegan, this channel along with vegan gains' channel (surprisingly) are the only ones I can bear and watch regularly. Different approaches work for different people. I'm not into psychotically chirpy people who tell me that my digestive tract is long, therefore I'm a herbivore. I'm comforted by facts and not being lied to. I don't like sugarcoating either. Knowledge is power. Present reality to me and it will best arm me to make good decisions for my health. Ethics are number one for me too, and UV always does an amazing job presenting those arguments.
Dezmond However she does ignore many topics that prove veganism is unhealthy and bad. Here is a new massive, decades long, study of over 140,000 people around the world that all vegans are ignoring.
www.cbsnews.com/news/large-study-suggests-carbs-not-fats-bad-for-you/
goldsilverandiamonds can you explain how the link you posted proves veganism is bad? I read the article and I have no idea what you're talking about, lmao. If anything, it just proves her point about high carb low fat veganism not being an optimal diet. It doesn't disprove veganism. It just tells you what people have known for many years now - refined carbohydrates are bad for you.
Again, what exactly are you talking about when you say this proves veganism is unhealthy? Are you kidding? Lol
kat kat The vegan diet is typically a high carbohydrate low fat diet. The study proves high carbohydrate and low fat diets actually increased death rates. This study followed over 140,000 people from around the world for many decades and from all age groups. This study had nothing to do with "refined carbohydrate's" but ALL carbohydrates including plants based, grains and fruits as carbohydrates sources. As a matter of fact since this study was done using people from around the world it is likely most people ate fewer refined carbohydrates and more complex carbohydrate like natural fruit, grains and vegetables for their carbohydrates. How did this study prove veganism is unhealthy? Well it proved that a higher carbohydrate lower fat diets actually increased death rates compared to those who did not follow that type of diet. Again vegans tend to eat a very high carbohydrate low fat diet this is a well known fat and this kind of diet is aggressively promoted by most vegans. A diet that has been shown to increase death rates. The study did not set out to prove veganism was an unhealthy diet but clearly the results prove veganism is as followed by most vegans. There are few,very few higher fat , high protein vegans since plants really cannot offer many foods or diverse food options to fit this kind of diet and in reality this kind of vegan diet is very tough to successfully eat and even afford.
Lol you're paid by big pharma? (Their comment) lol apparently a trillion dollar industry cares about a little CZcams channel 😂😂😂 those people are absolute lunatics.
I wish she was you know. She deserves to get paid more than patreon money with the quality of discussions and new ideas she brings to the table
I love that she has a million videos about why diary, eggs, and meat aren't necessary for our health but she's somehow a shill paid by the meat and dairy industry. People are so stupid. She is vegan. All of us rational people know that. She wouldn't be so anti-palm oil if she didn't care about veganism. These people are calling her a "troll" and criticizing her for not following their nutrition plan. They hate someone because she doesn't believe in eating 10 bananas for breakfast. Do they not stop and think about how stupid it is to hate someone for fucking nutrition?
I'm not saying that unnatural vegan is paid by anyone but it is true that people get paid to spread disinformation. Just research CIA operation mocking bird, it's declassified.
Also the US egg lobby did pay bloggers and chefs to promote their products so it's not unthinkable that a channel with over 100k subscribers could be backed by industry funds. I think the reasoning that she couldn't be funded because her channel is "small" and the industry is big, is very flawed, however I still don't think she is but it's certainly not "lunacy" because of the reasoning provided.
First of all I clearly stated that I don't think she receives industry funds, secondly I am not aware of any such industry actually funding creators of various forms of media. It's only because I know actual cases of both egg, dairy and meat lobbies doing very ethically questionable funding and preassuring of politicians, scientists, bloggers, chefs etc. that I even consider the possibility. I was just pointing out the flawed logic of the first post.
I agree with you here 100%. You are one of the main reasons I transitioned to being vegan. I've lost 50lbs and turned my health around. You were the first person online who said I didn't have to eat raw or high carb. I eat pretty much anything I want that is vegan and I've lost 50lbs easily. Still about 100lbs overweight but am already healthier and happier. Keep up the good work, you are such an inspiration to me.
calories are calories whether they come from meat, fat or carbs. Eating less is the answer, not veganism. People can still be overweight on vegan diets
Val T for losing weight, sure eating less calories is the answer, not being vegan. I could eat 4 steaks and nothing else every single day and lose weight. From a health standpoint I would probably be very unhealthy and deficient in nutrients same goes if I ate 10 Oreos everyday, while technically vegan would be unhealthy. I don't attribute being vegan to my weight loss. I attribute eating healthy to becoming a healthier person, not in just weight loss but other health markers as well.
Good for you. Plants are the best. I eat animal products though but I am also the healthiest I have ever been and felt.
@@ashleylabadie do you have any updates on your journey 😊?
Unnatural Vegan - one of the few voices of reason in the vegan YT.
Not really because a person of reason would not be vegan in the first place.
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goldsilverandiamonds vegan actually makes a lot of sense if you plan. Animal rearing is a huge drain on resources for the amount of food it produces (if it's fertile land, you can grow 3x the food than you can raising animals), animal products don't need to be consumed like they are in the US (which pretty much every dietary organization agrees that Americans eat too much meat, sugar, and salt), there is rampant animal abuse in the meat industry, and particularly cows produce a LOT of methane which contributes to global warning. Not everyone has to go vegan, but being vegan has its benefits.
goldsilverandiamonds you sound dumb
@@goldsilverandiamonds You wouldn't have the balls to say that in a Buddhist temple
I appreciate that you can and do admit when you're wrong. I appreciate that you often concede when the person you're critiquing is right. I appreciate that you point out when nonvegans are right. All of that, I think, proves that you are the rational one in this debate.
You don't stoop to person attacks, even though it would be really easy. Happy Healthy Vegan is wrong. They are the ones who have a vendetta against you.
Jenny
Yeah. I'm annoyed that most popular vegan youtubers are really egotistical and close minded
"I am a rational, a cogent, intelligent vegan" -Ryan
LOLOLOL
Shabbz can't lol enough of that LOL
Shabbz I can't even listen to him talk without getting uncomfortable. He's so arrogant.
This is where one of my favourite quotes are perfectly applicable:
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool"
- Shakespeare
The amount of emphasis he put on saying that and I was sitting there thinking
"Dude, you can't even read a study that looks at people with an uncommon genetic defect."
elcuban903 "this bitch" never claimed to be a cogent and intelligent vegan. Although every right minded person on CZcams will agree that she is rational as fuck.
Thank you for being such an intellectually honest person. I'm a science loving med school student and I really cant stand all these cultish anti-GMO low fat zealots.
Juho Rouhe I think my favorite thing is when they point to their blood tests and say "see! It's healthy!" And then when I comment that my blood results are good too and I eat fat, I get told "the blood results aren't necessarily indicating you're healthy." 🤦🏻♀️
Do you have more information about that? I have not been able to improve my liver despite lowering fat.
This is frustrating, you always bring facts and science to the discussion, but all of these vegan youtubers just don't want to listen...
akai dude It is quite fascinating isn't it? It's like proves veganism is like a cult, especially on social media by some front personalities
tw Absolutely! The proof that they don't have enough evidence to support their claims is that all of their "response videos" have ad personam attack as one of the main points. So immature.
tw do you, or anyone who claims veganism is a cult actually know what a cult is?
WereBud I don't think he's trying to critique veganism, he's just comparing the behavior of people like Ryan to people in cults.
+akai dude This is the case on both sides. I have seen more fallacious arguments from carnists. It really just depends on who you watch. If you watch anyone who doesn't fully understand stuff, or have the intellectual honesty to be objective, there is going to be confirmation bias on both sides.
In the past I tended to be skeptical of you. At this point you made such good arguments my ears are open. Thank you for risking a reputation to be a beacon of truth and rationality on vegan CZcams.
You’re so calm and collected and smart. I’m not vegan but I have so much respect for you and everything you do.
As a non-vegan, I'm really happy I found you, and no, the completely childish personal attacks levied at you by both Happy Healthy Vegan and The Vegan Couple ensures that I will never be able to trust their videos. I really appreciate that your videos are based on facts and evidence. I probably will never go completely vegan, I'm too attached to milk in my coffee, but I am trying to reduce the amount of meat I consume every week. One of the reasons for that is following your channel, but the main reason is probably that cooking with mock meats or beans is just so much easier for me than cooking with meat.
Hey to be annoying, I'm too attached to my soy milk/creamer in my coffee too. Especially from Trader Joe's 😍 love, an ex dairy addict, new old vegan who gives unsolicited advice to strangers online most likely to annoy and push them away 😆
DontSigh My little sister gets pissed if she doesn't have coffee..
DontSigh good on you for cutting down your meat consumption! I'm similarly cutting animal products, and am super happy to have found this channel. It's a big motivation for me :)
I know what you mean, even when I was a meat eater, it was so much easier for me to cook other things, so I usually did. Lol
It’s funny when Anji mentions competition because it’s clear who came out on top in terms of subscribers and viewers...
Isn't it ironic that they accused her of attempting to unsuccessfully "rip "What the Health" a new one", and that she did that very thing to them with great success in this video.
Reminds me of a time I commented to one of their videos saying Ryan hadn't read the study correctly and that his psychology major doesn't give him any validity in analyzing (bio)medical papers because the research is done in a very different way.
I got back an angry answer about me being wrong(of course I could take it, because I have studied biomedical sciences and knew I was right). Personally the thing I had the biggest problem with was the fact that he wasn't completely respectful and acted almost megalomane (if this is the right way to say it in English).
He just could have done without his defensiveness and asked what he could do different since I had given advise already (although maybe a little bit on the blunt side).
what the health was a joke. doesnt mean you are against veganism....
Sammie Schmall exactly...she's vegan for ethics and this movie was about health. She can argue against health claims made by vegans and still believe in veganism.
Sammie Schmall well that's the thing. Anything can be said it is a joke. One can interpret studies now they want! So let's just all do what works for us right?
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But what the health got it wrong... studies they used in the movie were interpreted incorrectly. If I ate hand fills of sugar my blood triglycerides will increase, why? Because your body turns any excess calories into fat.
+Wade Schipprack: That's irrelevant because triglycerides are not the same thing as free fatty acids. UV makes the same mistake. Her interpretation of the genetic study is correct but the others are wrong.
All vegan propaganda is a joke wake up people!
Ryan's voice is the most condescending sound to ever come out of a human being.
NotA_Deer maybe, but this comment doesn't help anything...it just empowers him to alienate UV and her audience.
You think the audiences of these two channels are united? No. We've been alienated a long time ago.
NotA_Deer He vegan shames ppl.
"You're not a real vegan!" lol, it's so hilarious
"happy healthy veeeegannnnnn"... vomit.
I love your neutrality and aim towards objectivity and maturity. Also you're pretty. Keep it up
neutrality? I see her making videos that piss off other people and start WW3
The fact that Ryan claims and believes to be "a rational vegan" is just LOL
I literally facepalmed.
Right? He's so delusional lol
I had to unfollow them, there's too much info that's taken out of context and untrue.
I un-followed everyone. I was thinking about veganism but after what I see on both sides, forget it. I don't need drama in my life.
Yctaxi you don't have to be involved in the drama. That's a silly excuse to continue doing the wrong thing.
Yctaxi Then don't get involved in drama. It's not some exclusive club you have to be a part of. You don't need to get a channel and get into arguments with other vegan youtubers. Tbh my life isn't much different since going vegan, but I know what I have on my plate caused less suffering to animals and less harm to the environment. It can be very rewarding.
I unfollowed them too after they used a non-vegans miscarriage to promote their channel. NO class!
I unfollowed everyone. Vegans are weird.
I feel for you. I really do. You are part of a community that constantly turns on you even though you have the same goal. They reject you for having a critical eye even though being able to speak from a ration position would help the shared cause.
I have a syndrome called PCOS which makes it extremely difficult to lose/maintain weight- and since I started to avoid carbs completely (even whole grains, and I even try to limit high-carb fruits and veggies) and since cutting back on carbs I have been able to stabilize and maintain my weight. I also consume high amounts of healthy fats and proteins and I feel amazing! Obviously this isn't what most normal people have to go through, however I think its really unfair for high carb vegans to act like there way is the only way because I am a perfect example that high carb isn't sustainable, especially for those with conditions such as mine.
20:19 OMG hahahaha they sound like two high school girls
Louellay haha they went full "mean girls" on her! 😅
Lol
"Omg she's like, totally criticizing us. And it's, like, bad."
So now all vegans have to have all the same thoughts and believe everything another vegan say. Wow happy healthy vegan really makes this lifestyle seem appealing
Black and white thinking is a sign of lower emotional intelligence. It's not about taking sides dude, it's about giving credits to whomever deserves it and criticizing the misinformation on whichever side to spread better understanding of the topics discussed.
Not criticizing veganism is not realistic, people are waking up one day and decide to be 'happy healthy' by eating rice and beans is not realistic. Questioning the unquestionable things and making people 'think for themselves' even if it's wrong based on defined terms is the way to come to the conclusion that will result change in behavior over time.
tw Are you implying Veganism is an unrealistic diet/lifestyle?
"People are waking up everyday and realizing they can't be 'happy healthy' eating beans and rice?"
Explain coz I'm ready to tear you a new one
EddLiam maybe he means only eating beans and rice? but... who's doing that?
ala Nobody eats like that but people who eat meat tend to spread rhetoric laced with lies.
Amongst their peers, a statement like "vegans only eat beans and rice" sounds accurate. Some people legit think vegans eat grass and lettuce to survive.
I'm only rejecting that stereotype being forced onto veganism.
EddLiam i agree with you.
EddLiam This person is vegan. They say so in another comment. They were criticizing vegans for telling people they can eat nothing but beans and rice and be healthy.
I'm not a vegan I'm not anti vegan but I love your channel you talk about veganism in such a normal and reasonable way
Thank you for making these videos. Thank you for being honest and transparent and level headed and rational. I completely disregarded veganism for a long time mainly due to other vegan youtubers because they presented a diet that seemed unsustainable for me, too expensive, too restrictive, backed my pseudoscience. But you really helped me take a rational look at my diet and I feel confident that a vegan diet IS sustainable. I was 16 when I found your channel, and very impressionable, so thank you for doing what you do
Cher Rendon ditto! I became vegan after finding UV. Before that I was definitely put off by others on CZcams.
Cher Rendon I don't get this. CZcams isn't real life and there are so many studies supporting so many things. Do what works for you. Veganism is about ethics not a diet but a healthy diet makes it sustainable for sure. If I have an issue with my diet at some point I will do more research and do something else but because of ethics I can't see myself not being a vegan
The Viet Vegan is also really cool and she links to other normal vegans that aren't crazy. Vegan Athlete is kind of like a cross between Unnatural Vegan and Bite Size Vegan, a bit more activism but also very rational. Bite size vegan makes Unnatural Vegan videos for children and their normal questions about veganism
Luckily the vegan community in Norway, and Scandinavia in general is not like this. Most vegans here agree that What The Health is not a good source to knowledge. Seems like the vegan communities in the US, UK and Australia as well are based on pseudoscience where it is normal to mostly eat raw fruit and veggies and avoiding "unhealthy" foods, focusing on weight loss, be against vaccination etc., which I think is very unfortunate for veganism. At the end of the day, does it matter what vegan diet someone eats as long as it is vegan? The animals dont care, thats for sure.
Glad there also are vegans like you on social media - the vegan community needs it.
Anniken Olsen preach 🙏
Vegans in Scandinavia and Norway are just as retarded as they are in the UK, USA and Australia except they are more racist, and entitled.
Anniken Olsen I think you are confusing vegan community with vegan CZcams And HCLF vegans. Most vegans all over aren't part of that specific movement.. you are generalising quite abit.
You are right, sorry. I actually meant vegan youtubers from these countries. But I dont see the same problem among vegan Scandinavian youtubers/bloggers etc.
As a non-vegan, this couple gives veganism literally the worst name possible. Honestly, I watched their video and was ready to burst into flames until I saw you responded!
I am pretty unbiased between both channels. but Anji's attitude/comments/behaviour was beyond childish! She lost all credibility with the way she was acting.
all these vegan channels are weird.
Longtime vegan (1999).... you are just so right, and prove it intellectually, not emotionally.... thank you for that....
what sort of medication uv is on to keep this calm? is it vegan? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Having such calm cool articulate manner is one of the best traits of UV for sure
irk i would've at this point degenerate to being way more pissy and sarcastic with my delivery. some of her opposers just have no self reflection and lack in trying to be mindful of basic stuff about honest debate (like maintaining context and not doing stupid ad homs) and they act in an arrogant school bully type of way as if they're butthurt af.
It's called "Decorum" from the manufacturer Poise&Composure, and it's NOT a homeopathic blend.
Aliisa Kalma it's probably because she isn't lying to herself and all her viewers and she isn't starving her body of the food it wants lmao, clear conscious and good food.
Have you ever seen Daria? It was a series on MTV way way back. Unnatural Vegan has Daria's personality a bit, and the glasses, yes, they both wear nearly the same glasses. Uncanny resemblance, especially with UV's lack of emotionalism, and intellectual-ish characteristics. UV is an unnatural vegan, I guess. Not all that extremist, nope.
How's your personal vendetta with your Kale Seitan recipe? You should make a video on it 😇
Will So what is this recipe everyone is talking about????
#TriggeredByKaleSeitan
Is it really on patreon?÷
Kathryn Westbrook nope
Don't you just add kale to a seitan recipe?
AHAHAHA, "IN COMPETITION WITH HER" omg, these people
I am really happy that you posted this video regarding high carb vegan diets, as someone who is on a medicine that raises my triglycerides it was very hard for me to figure out how on the “perfect vegan diet” I was gaining more fat and having a-lot of trouble getting it off especially around the waist, so this message of high carb veganism is misleading and can end up giving people like me problems even though we seem to be following the diets we are told to follow.
Something that my dad has said many times has changed my perception and interactions with people. He says, "When you are arguing or debating something with someone and they start lobbing personal attacks or criticisms, often with emotional bias, they cease to be in a rational debate and you will not change their minds. It immediately discredits whatever follows, no matter how grounded in reality it may be, because they cannot deliver any fact without attacking you. You are best off to disengage and either leave it be or try again later when they're willing to leave personal emotions at the door."
He varies in how he phrases it, but the point is always the same: Where there are personal attacks, they lack valid points and any valid information they may attempt to deliver after that is automatically questioned. It is the fastest way to kill your own side of the debate.
I applaud you for taking this point by point and countering/clarifying in a logical and calm manner.
I understand they're passionate about what they believe. However you can be passionate while also maintaining a sense of maturity, dignity and calm and present your case based on the information you wish to share rather than calling people names, implying nafarious character and motivations and deflecting through insults and misdirection. I wish more people could just have a rational, calm conversation.
honestly anyone who has watched all these response videos can see that Swayze has structured, logical arguments and shows both sides of the story, but HHV jumps to conclusions, uses scare tactics and accusations and edits out of context.
the good News are durianrider does not think you are a shill anymore...just a huge disappointment, dont know if thats better, also I want a "triggered by carbs" shirt :p
A bas le ciel has a vendetta against Swayze, probably that's why durianrider doesn't bother to talk shit about her. That's the kind of emotional awareness they both have
When a person starts accusing someone of "siding with the enemy" it makes me question the validity of anything they say. It's not " I don't know why they aren't agreeing with me because of all these facts " it's basically "we have this in common so they should take my side even if I'm wrong." It's really sad how out of touch they are.
When I first saw the hashtag "triggered by carbs" I was like "omg 😂".
lol
I've had to unsubscribe from many hclf channels I used to watch because of shit like this. Why is it so hard to accept there are multiple ways to eat vegan and be healthy? Why is it that a vegan who disagrees with hclf is a fake or a shill? So ridiculous.
#cultmentality
Vegans are stupid that's why.
Honestly, I suspect HHV is just worried your thoughts have become more credible than theirs, so they feel they need to take you down a peg by painting you in a negative light. Their video seemed full of projection to me. Just some popularity politics in action. Great video that will only establish your reputation even more.
Yep. desperately protecting their brand and income. These aging SJW types do like their creature comforts.
They are all the same including this lady
Dude honestly I love your videos. I know you respond to correct what others are mistaking but I agree with you on not responding anymore. In my opinion responding to their nonsense is only helping their word. It brings viewers to their channel, which they're loving. Other than that keep doing what you're doing and don't let people like that ruin your inner peace.
Dude? Is UV a tranny?
Summer Solstice that's not an ok word to use. The t word is a derogatory and oppresive slur used against the trans community for decades.
Most trans people are very triggered by it. You can't even imagine the pain that reading that word in your comment produces to them. It's very likely that they've been called that in situations in which they were severely humiliated, abused, physically attacked, insulted and/or dishumanized.
Some trans people reclaim the word, and if a trans person tells you that they are ok with it, then you can call that specific trans person the t word. But it's completely inmoral to use it in a generic way or with a trans person that haven't given you permission to use that word with them.
Please stop using it
Fat does cause insulin resistance but it is probably not dietary fat but rather the fat the body makes when it takes in excess calories. That said, low fat may help some people keep their calorie intake reasonable so to each their own. Great video!
Rosa H it’s actually excess carbs... that cause insulin resistance
@@lolitadan5432 No. "Excess" carbs EXPOSE insulin resistance; they don't CAUSE it.
Is this what a vegan rap battle look like? 🤷🏼♀️
Very well done, Swayze! I disagree with some of your advice about what a "proper" vegan diet is, but I believe you are a true ethical vegan and are doing a great service to the world, and especially the ANIMALS. Salute from The Netherlands!
I'm a meat eater, but the way you present veganism seems reasonable and logical, it helps to actually see a realistic diet that maybe one day I could achieve. I think vegetarian would be a good first step though.
veganism is not something you should want to achieve,its not healthy long term at all
@@Србомбоница86 I understand that parts of it could be unhealthy, I don't look into it for health benefits and would try to find the appropriate substitutions and supplement what I would miss out on. I wish to not eat meat for environmental consequences, we are slowly killing Earth and mass animal farming is a huge part of the issue
As a high carb fellow, I'm extremely grateful for your science based work. Some people just don't want to take on the burden of having to think critically and I can't really blame them either.
This was such a polite roast xD
Ugh, I can't stand them! They are so smug!
Yes they are do smug and douchey. But most vegans are.
And like UV isn't? that's fucking retarded lol I peed.
This bitch make me wanna rip my eyes out
So is Unnatural Vegan.
I can't tell you enough how much this has opened my eyes. As vegans often we blindly follow the mainstream knowledge and well known doctors as infallible gods but it's true, we're all human. It's like you're being outcasted brvause you don't agree with everything the vegan patriarchs think so your dubbed as a troll and a fake vegan. No guys, she just has a different opinion and some good facts to support it so maybe actually listen to your fellow vegan with open ears and a open mind. Are we in elementary school?
yeah lets make our own facts of things we like...yeah
Wow they remind me of these annoying couples who can’t survive a day without each other🤦♀️
I know stupid people will post stupid comments here. Just remember that we support You!!!
Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are stupid. Agree to disagree.
"Agree to disagree" is a phrase most often used by stupid people.
John Brown I can't believe I'm just now realizing how true that is.
I used it once because a discussion went nowhere and we both had vaild points. Only problem: the other party didn't want to see my valid points (part of which came straight from my scientific textbooks...) +John Brown
mythologiefan - Yes, there are perfectly legitimate ways to use the phrase. Normally this is when it becomes clear in a debate / discussion, that there's no immediate prospect of any sort of agreement and one wishes to move on to a more fruitful topic.
More often than not these days however it seems it's used not post-debate, but to prevent debate from ever happening in the first place. Typically this will be a stupid person attempting to insulate their stupid beliefs from any criticism (although often they'll attempt to rationalise this trick by claiming it is the *other* person that's stupid and thus it would be pointless to engage them in debate) , or a stupid person who likes to think that "all opinions are equally valid".
I like your channel. You're the only vegan I've seen here that isn't suffering from the Dunning Kruger Effect. I wonder whether we should ditch the word 'vegan' entirely and simply call ourselves 'vegetarians'... and then simply expand on that depending you your diet:
Strict Vegetarian (aka 'vegan')
Ovo-lacto Vegetarian (occasionally eat eggs/dairy)
...and so on.
Too many nutters have tainted the word 'vegan' in my opinion and it's hard to get rid of the stench. I'm a medical doctor and have been vegetarian for many years... and now I'm practically vegan. I watched 'What the Health' and my diagnosis: utter rubbish.
Sigh, they (HHV) obviously don't listen to what others are actually saying. That is so frustrating. Talking in an empty room is even more usefull.
Also, they are constantly talking about science without having the skills to understand the science they read. The fat confusion is a fantastic example for that here.(09:50) It happens with other youtubers as well. They do not know how to read the science and don't realize that they don't know.
Bro Rogan hunts his own meat. But make no mistake he's 100% pro meat eating.
I don't want this comment to come across as petty, but I am genuinely curious-- I thought Botox was totally not considered vegan? Are there vegan alternatives to botox? Because it seems to me that Anji has quite a bit of Botox in her face. I could be wrong-- I just really dislike plastic surgery of any kind.
What the heck am I seeing? They seem so out of character. Calling himself smart and cogent.
I just want to say that I'm so appreciative of this video and of your channel, generally. It was your videos that convinced me to finally go vegan (almost a year now!) and your continuing work to bring rational arguments to the vegan community and disprove pseudoscience is still so, so helpful to watch.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER LAUGHTER?!
*TRIGGERED* jk. Ever since I found you I've always thought that you're one of the most rational vegans out here.
And their criticism of you makes no sense...you weren't arguing against veganism in your WTH debunking, you were arguing against their nutrition claims. That has nothing to do with attacking veganism. As a vegan, I criticize DR pouring sugar on his cereal but that doesn't mean I'm criticizing veganism as a whole just because he happens to be a vegan.
#dietcult vs reason and ethics
Wow they're ridiculous. Guess it's time to SIDE with someone. I'm with ma girl Swayze.
dont side with anyone. They are all wrong.
What's right then?
Thank you for being balanced on the fat, protein, carb ratio. Not everyone wants to eat only carbs. That is not balanced or healthy. Let everyone eat how they want and feel best with.
Can you please stop doing response videos? Its starting to get really annoying, I'm sick of all this drama.
Shut up Ryan!
goldsilverandiamonds I'm not taking any sides, at first I didn't mind all the response videos. But To be honest now I am just getting a little sick of them. All I was doing was just voicing my opinion, I don't think your reply was necessary.
You are right. This lady loves to do "response" videos like she needs the drama. She must not have anything better to do.
@@summersolstice5615 awww poor vegans,want to stay in their own little bubble,God forbid someone thinks differently lol
I would just like to point out that the study is from 2004. In the science field, it's considered far too old. Surely there are better and more recent studies to argue over?
I'm sorry that you are being misrepresented. It frustrates me that people have to use fear tactics to promote their diet. "Dont eat fat because you will get diabetics". That's why I like your approach of focusing on the ethical reasons. If we focus on the ethical reasons then we aren't so worried of which vegan diet is the one true diet.
Also i would totally buy a shirt that says tiggered by carbs
Thank you. Ms. UV? We need open discussion! Not to argue, but to discuss. That statement you have shown already turned me to wards your channel. Thank you :)
You're seriously the best. Thanks for bringing real reason and knowledge to the vegan YT community!
You’re so very good at making thought-provoking content, giving great health advice. I hope someone scoops you up and gives you a show on Netflix. And then they cancel goop. Lol
Your so chill I love it! Sorry for the late comment but you've changed my perspective and have cut meat almost completely from my diet. On a vegan path, I have you to thank🌹
My only critique of this entire thing is that I wish people would distinguish the type of diabetes. Type 1 cannot be reversed. Type 2 can. By type 1 Imean those born with it. It’s just something that comes up a lot that irritates me as a type 1 diabetic
So when the intramyocellular lipids were 31% lower in the vegan group in this study below it was just their genes changing? Yes, when comparing people who eat the Standard American Diet, those with higher ILs may have genetic differences. However, to extrapolate that to 'All intramyocellular lipid variation is due to genes and not diet' is showcasing your lack of knowledge on the subject...as you criticize HHV for not understanding the same thing. Intramyocellular lipids are real and a factor in diabetes that is affected by diet. It would be easier to ignore the health aspect of veganism if all the doctors were quacks though...
Study: "A low-fat vegan diet and a conventional diabetes diet in the treatment of type 2 diabetes: a randomized, controlled, 74-wk clinical trial" (Google title cuz links get blocked).
'All intramyocellular lipid variation is due to genes and not diet’
Where does she say that?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995502/
She discussed this study and states that it concludes that an inherited defect _could_ be the cause of the dysregulation of intramyocellular fatty acid metabolism. She then dismisses the claim that this study somehow implied consuming dietary fat was the cause of this dysregulation. Did you perhaps misinterpret what she was saying?
Mic. the Vegan I swear you, happy healthy vegan, and the couple are tainting this lifestyle. Bending facts to your convenience is insulting to the Vegan community. You guys treat this like a cult.
To everyone else, I've tried both ratio diets including having my daily fat intake at 80% for a year. Lab results we're outstanding no matter what macronutrient ratio I used in my vegan diet. To simplify this argument that everyone has been having since this film came out, FATS ALONE DOES NOT CLOG ARTERIES, CARBS ALONE DOES NOT CLOG ARTERIES. The Combination of saturated fat's and simple carbohydrates is were you start running into problems. As for diabetes, just ask a diabetic what happens when the eat any starch or sugar. No brainer. These facts have been around for years, including in physiology books. I'm just so amazed that people are overlooking this just to fulfill an agenda.
The ketogenic diet is harmless if completely understood. The Navy seals use it. Before there were epilepsy medications, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives. Before the production Rx insulin, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives of diabetics.
Unnatural vegan has really stirred the pot with dry facts. No fear mongering, over-exaggerated claims, or personal attacks. Her delivery humbly invites meat eaters that want nothing but pure facts, without being insulted with biased info. To make this movement bigger, raising awareness with accurate data is paramount.
Led Samsung, please don't insult and attack the other vegan youtubers' character, that's the very immature and bad behavior that most of us here want to rise above, you'd like to believe you're more mature than Happy Healthy Vegan right? prove it. I think generally the comments on UV's channel are way more scientifically informed and mature than the other vegan youtubers, please lets keep it this way :)
no, i agree fully! there are way, way too many zealot partisan vegans who support anything that suits their agenda and blindly dismiss criticisms.
+AceRebel6
_"As for diabetes, just ask a diabetic what happens when the eat any starch or sugar. No brainer."_
As a type 1 diabetic, I can vouch for what happens when you eat any bioavailable carbs - blood sugar rises. The speed of the increase depends on the amount of carbs eaten and the rate of processing in the body. Glucose reacts in single digit minutes, starches in double digit minutes to a couple of hours, depending what type it is and what else is eaten together with it and so on. Fat mixed carbs slows absorbtion and evens out any spike in blood sugar.
_"Before the production Rx insulin, the ketogenic diet was there to save lives of diabetics."_
That's absolutely true. Type 1 diabetes is fatal without insulin, though, but a ketogenic diet increased longevity, often by years in those with type 1 diabetes.
Right on right on RIGHT ON!!! As antidotal as it may be, I am walking proof that high carb low-fat is not the way to go. And that is talking about preventative as well as reversal. As of this year I am eight years free of Metformin, A commonly used diabetes oral medication. When I first found out I was diabetic, I was 250 pounds with a blood sugar of 464. And my A-1 C was well over 10.5. I am now 140 pounds to 145 pounds, my blood sugar is normal and my A-1 C is 5.2. We are beef and pork free, and slowly weaning off of chicken, fish is next. I am trying to make sure I do this right as I don't want to reverse all of the work I have done. Even on a vegan diet I need to watch my carbohydrates. Beans and brown rice do wonders for my blood sugar, but I have to watch my fruit intake and be reasonable. I am so excited to have found a vegan like you and will hang on your every word of every video and do research right along with you. By the way, the way I reversed my diabetes was not no carb, but it was a lower carb diet higher in protein and unsaturated fat's. So again, walking proof though antidotal. Thank you again for all you do.
I like your testimonial that worked for you, but you should check-out the animal welfare issues too for being Vegan. There's really no reason to keep consuming any animal/fish products for dietary or diabetes reasons, so if you understand the animal welfare aspects you can stop that now.
If you understand the research dropping your weight is the main reason you no longer are T2D. Maintaining your lower weight and doing some moderate exercise will continue your success with T2D.
There are dozens and dozens of Vegan meat/fish substitutes that are available now that are not expensive. Wishing you well.
I am actually transitioning to Vegan now, my point was not that you should eat animal products but more so that you need to eat a lower in carbohydrates and higher in protein diet. Which is very doable with veganism. My agreement with her stems from the fact that high carb low-fat will never prevent nor cure diabetes. Again, mine is anecdotal evidence and research should be done and Dr consultation should be used when embarking upon a weight-loss plan, but eating high carb low-fat is definitely not a way to reverse diabetes, and I highly doubt it can prevent it. If you watch a couple of Ted talks, carbohydrates are the core problem. I don't need a lack of carbs, I just eat healthy carbs and it is balanced with protein and fiber.
Some people, including those with diabetes, do thrive on a HCLF diet. There is plenty of evidence for this in the Vegan community. Personally, I have not been able to do such a diet, HCLF, below 20% fat, but it definitely works for some people with T2D.
Again, the key is losing the weight AND maintaining that weight loss. IF I did HCLF, then I would still eat 30% to 40% fats with some meals every week or so. That's just personal preference to avoid possible nutrition problems. Diet is still an art form and many people would not do well on HCLF for so many reasons, but I think Vegans can do this kind of diet and thrive.
FullyRawKristina (FRC) had T2D as a teenager. She is totally raw and low fat for 12 years now and is thriving on that diet. Plenty of Vegan medical doctors have HCLF programs for reversing T2D and Heart Disease. Testimonials abound by the thousands online that are legit. *It can work for many people, but it's definitely not the only solution by any means.* (I just used FRC as an example, since she's well known as a CZcams Raw Vegan. I do not follow her diet, obviously, and only a fraction of Vegans could do her diet long-term, imo.)
I used to enjoy their channel but the last year or more I've found HHV to be increasingly smug. For example Ryan cites the same studies over and over and ignores anything that contradicts him. I'm honestly not sure if either Anji or Ryan is intelligent enough to realise that they're damaging the vegan message by being so blind.
Debate is necessary, criticism is necessary, and the moment we stop questioning we become naive lemmings jumping off a cliff.
I accidentally started watching 'What the health' without knowing it's promoting vegan diet, and I was like what the f*, this is a bad documentary.. and I started looking for commentary on yt, and was amazed how most of the vegan community stick to the same talking points even though they make no sense.
You were the only person, I found, who talked about it rationally, and with facts.
Anyway I have since binge watched a lot of your videos, and your videos made me think about veganism as not just being cult like community (yes, I had a lot of prejudice against veganism), right now I've just moved to more plant based type of diet, and will see how it goes, since I'm from Balkan where meat is like staple food.
You are one of the most important vegan activists out there. Every now and then (rarely) I do think you critique stuff that doesn't necessarily need to be critiqued but still, you are the one rational no-BS, no redundancies, all well founded arguments vegan on the internet. I'm really sure that as time passes you will be seen as one of the most important vegan CZcamsrs of all times. So you just do you and ignore the stupid comments. Thank you for doing what you're doing! Also, can you please let us know if expressing support in the comment section is of any use? I'd be happy to do it more often but I get the feeling the comments just get lost and that I waste my time posting them.
I just realized: you're reacting to Happy Healthy Vegan reacting to you reacting to Joe Rogan reacting to Happy Healthy Vegan's documentary reacting to the average American diet :P
They do intentionally misrepresent people. In their video where they were talking about how Bill Gates wanted to make meat more accessible to the world, they intentionally misrepresented Gates' article. In his article he talks about the environmental effects of animal agriculture and reducing the world's overall meat consumption in order to make meat more accessible to all. Gates was still supporting meat consumption But they summarized his article dishonestly to show that Gates wasn't aware of the effects of animal agriculture on the world. They intentionally misrepresented a lot of what he said in his article.
they all do including UV
I just noticed this video again and the Beach Boys' "California Girls" came into my head - I can only take the Beach Boys in small doses - I bought "Pet Sounds" and could never figure out why it's regarded as a seminal work ...
Thinking about it, Ryan reminds me a bit of the passive-aggressive followers of Rajneesh I bumped into during the late 70s and early 80s who were into all sorts of woo ...
I wasn't a massive fan by any means of WTH (and yes, I'm vegan), but Rogan doesn't exactly backtrack on his 'bullshit artists' claim by saying that they 'mean well'. Arguably that's worse. Starts with dismissive slander, ends with being patronising. I haven't watched any of the previous video exchanges but picking up on that point above alone, there's no way at all that Rogan's second sentence cancels or balances out the first. And whether they 'mean well' or not, the doctors referenced are clearly not 'bullshit artists'.
Calling each other trolls, Calling each other childish with an eyerole saying it's probably an insult to children, basically the same thing 😳
"Those annoying vegans" have also made a response to your video. Would love to see your response to that too 😂 Although many vegans get butthurt by your way of delivering the "vegan message", I feel so much more drove to your style. It's really refreshing to see a vegan youtuber who doesn't ignore/manipulate facts or sugarcoat things. So thanks for that!!
Stop instigating. She doesn't need any more of that. Let other people have their own ideas.
I am not vegan, but I watch your channel, and for the most part, you're incredibly smart, and do an amazing job.
I wish more people had your intellectual honesty
yeah, no :)
I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian, but I find your videos fascinating. You're absolutely right. When people take a certain "tone" in an argument (specifically a condescending or superior one) it's hard to take them seriously. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, it's harder to take in what they're saying and process it because it's hard to empathize with those who won't level with you. It inhibits an educated exchange with learning and empathy between both parties involved.
I was so disappointed by What the Health...So many people I know say it's great and it made them vegan, which I guess is good? I don't know, it was really unconvincing and silly to me and I know that it will turn some people off to veganism :/ I was already vegan so I really just watched it to see what it was all about but ugh I could barely finish it
ALSO the doctors are always the same in these damn movies!!!! How many times can I hear the same shit from the same 5 people?
Well I think it is definitely a good thing, there is nothing harmfull in What the health, it was just over simplified in parts. There certainly are better and worse reasons to go vegan but even the worst are at some level good, just think about the animals.
because no smart doctor wants to endorse crazy vegan crap. Most doctors dont approve a vegan diet.
that's definitely a generalization. This particular movie was misguided but the general scientific consensus is that a well planned vegan diet is perfectly healthy.
As a nonvegan you ere the first vegan I found who made mr realize not all vegans are "crazy". your videos have given me a more open mind to veganism and defently consider lowering the number of animal products I consume,
I was waiting for this video! Dropped what I was doing and curled up with a coffee. You're one of the only vegan youtubers I really love and it says everything how level headed you stay when they're throwing stupid unfounded insults at you and how dramatic and condescending they get when you present valid arguments
Coming from someone that isnt vegan....I dont care what diet you prefer, but the majority of vegans who are on social media are very arrogant and rude. I found your channel last week and I've just been binge watching all of your episodes because they're informative and you're very polite and humble.
No one would want to be in your position Swayze. In such, one would receive lots of backlash and hatred from unreasonable people. It's a vulnerable position, but I'm happy that someone like you is standing up for rationality and science in this community. Most importantly, you are willing to learn and admit to your mistakes, making you a person worthy in the academic field. Many people in this field can potentially be vegans if they think rationally and care about ethics and the environment. I know you will reach out to these people.
all vegans are messed up in the head including her.
Unnatural Vegan is not a troll with a vendetta. She's a scientifically literate mind in an remarkably un-scientific culture.