I Turned Down A Manual Toyota Supra at MSRP For An Automatic
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- čas přidán 7. 11. 2022
- I compare why the automatic is still a great way to go in the Supra. I also share why I didn't go with a manual Supra given the added costs.
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#toyotasupra #manualsupra - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Buy what you want... It's YOUR money and you enjoy things how YOU WANT. People that want to send other people's money on what they would get are pathetic and often times can't get the car anyway...
You rock. Thank you!
Props to sticking to your guns and getting what you wanted. Personally, I would have still gone for the manual because I really enjoy the engagement of a manual transmission sports car over an auto, but for your wants and needs I can totally get why you decided to go for the auto. I'm sure either one is a great car, and I just hope I actually get to see one in the flesh at some point (still have never seen one in the wild).
Come on out to UT!
Hi going60, there is a video out there from an automotive engineer stating switching your wheels and tires out with 20’s and Michelin 4s’s 255 in front and 295 in the rear makes this car handle like a Porsche. What are your thoughts on this?
Hey Joey! I can’t say I’m the subject matter expert on this. The car already handles amazing. I guess it depends on how much more handling someone desires.
I’ve been catching up on your videos after I was auto unsubscribed from your channel. I changed my order from a 2SS 1LE A10 to a M6. I don’t regret that decision but maybe 5% of the time. Good thing about an auto with paddle shifters is you can live the dream, performance wise but the left foot and right arm miss the experience. I love the in depth, unique reviews that most CZcamsrs miss, such as getting a drink carrier through a Camaro window in the drive through. I’ll be honest I built and priced a Supra tonight. Keep up the excellent content, we are watching! Sorry about the 3000Gt but the writing was on the wall and I think you knew that before moving on, I believe you even mentioned that early on. Great channel, keep it going/growing.
Thank you Craig! Glad to have you back my friend! I appreciate you watching my videos.
Good review and enjoyed hearing your perspective. I’m torn on the manual vs. auto. Would you have went with an auto on the camaro if you could go back and do it over again?
Nope! I would go manual all the way in a Camaro. Price squeezed me out of it in the Supra.
I have the ZF8 in my Alfa and it's a great transmission that can still be engaging while being a lot less punishing in traffic.
Agreed!
Have a-91cf auto love it same one in Bentley and rolls right what’s wrong with that?
Nothing
I’m also going automatic as better for me price wise at moment £38-40 cheapest and cannot be bothered with the manual in traffic as well as the Auto GR Supra ZF being a great automatic.
Great video. Thanks!
You bet!
Bro...personally i congratulate u big time on your purchase of that auto trans. I would have done the same thing myself. Anytime anyday i would take an auto.
Respect 2 u from far away in the islands.😊
Thanks for the support and for watching!
Wow I totally agree with everything your saying. I have owned a Supra and owned a few manual V8 performance cars(camaro, corvette, mustang). I would never get the supra in a manual and I also think the shifter looks weird. You are lucky you found a base model 3.0L. That`s also how I would rather own one.
Thanks Mike! I appreciate the comment.
glad im not the only one who thinks that the manual shifter look like a penis
I bought a ‘22 mustang gt premium with the 10 speed an absolutely love it. I have driven 3 supras prior to that and there’s just this feeling I had with the Supra I don’t get with my stang. As soon as I find one for a good deal I’m trading in!
Right on!
Gee, take it easy! 10 speeds gt are impressive cars for na plus a v8. I love the Supra, but if I had a Stang 10 speed I wanted to trading it in.
Got my manual at msrp... I love it. All said and done I pad 58k for the A91. I'm happy with it. All I wanted at first was thr bass 3L, until they got a A91 in stock and I went to look at it. Plus we'll all said and done how much less did you pay for thr base 6? Probably 55k? I'd pay the extra for the limited
Congrats!
@@Gonin60 thank you! I love manuals and sold my sports cars on the past when I had kids... so I longed manual again hahah
@@Gonin60 I actually waited for years to buy one until they had a manual haha
@@jsavoni6478 right on and welcome back!
How much did you get the supra for?
I did a video on it a few weeks back
I am currently in the market to buy one and I am still thinking on what to get. Pushing towards an automatic
Best of luck!
Get a manual man ( Personal opinion)
I just bought a 2023 Supra A91 manual in CU Later Grey. I paid $63k out the door. I had to find it out of state. All of my local dealers wanted $10k above msrp. Mine is a weekend fun car not a daily driver which is why I chose a manual. As everyone had been saying, get what makes you happy.
There ya go! Enjoy!
I’m also stuck on the decision of a manual or auto. For me I have lil experience with manual so it would be my first manual and idk if that’s a good idea. I want to experience the manual supra but I also want the faster version witch is the auto. Idk what to choose. I would like to hear what other people think on my situation.
Manuals will be a lot harder to get. I’m a fan of manuals and prefer them. With that said you cannot go wrong either way.
Manual all day. Especially if being “faster” is your goal. Sure, BONE STOCK the auto will be quicker but once mods come into play you won’t have to buy a $10k built automatic trans. Manual can handle a lot more power with a clutch at most
& realistically speaking, if “losing a race” is an excuse for buying an auto. You either RARELY race or you’re not enough of a driver to understand why the manual is a no brainer
Good pick but if I went for one, it'd be the 2.0. Reviews say the 255 HP is more like 300 and you save about 8 grand over the 3.0 and have nearly 50/50 weight distribution with the lighter 4 cylinder. The adaptive suspension dampers on the 3.0 are nice but the 2.0's non-adaptive shocks have gotten praise from most testers I've read. 0 to 60 time of 4.5 seconds is plenty fast, the 2.0 can just about match a 400 HP Nissan Z manual AND the car has gotten 38 MPG in 75 MPH highway fuel economy tests.
Good points! I wish they offered the 2.0 in a manual. That would be a winning combination to me.
@@Gonin60 Sadly, the manual is only available in the 3.0. Don't ask me why.
@@RagShop1 yep. Wish it was in both models
Counterpoint. The 2.0 will always sound like garbage (as someone who has driven one) and the 0-60 is closer to 5.7-6.0 seconds without launch control which is slower than a mustang Ecoboost at 5.5 secs (auto, no launch).
The real world Supra 3.0 0-60 is closer to 4.2-4.7 without a launch.
@@Barbwire710 good points!
I think you forgot to edit all the photos in man...
Okay
Manual my whole life but when I get Supra it’s going 2 be auto
It’s pretty impressive
I watched this video, and still proceed to buy a Manual Supra. Now im definitely convinced you are right lol. The MT is engaging, but its not anywhere close to the Auto's straight-line performance. Also the clutch wear issues make the car feel like its too delicate to drive hard... not great.
I prefer manuals but I did like the auto in these
Anybody that says that anyone that gets a sports car in Automatic are "lazy".
Keep in mind that Legend Carol Shelby, put a 3 speed Automatic in a few of his real 1960s Shelby Cobra A/C 427 Super Snake cars(including his personal one). And those are literally museum cars. And expensive as hell.
Along with the Buick Grand National/GNX that came with Automatic only in the 1980s. Which no one gave a crap that it was automatic, that vehicle is legendary.
And the GTR R35 Nissan doesn't have a manual.
Etc
Go figure
Interesting points. Thank you!
Xhp tune and you’ll enjoy the shifts even more! It gets rid of the rev hang
Sounds good
I remember when manuals were the cheaper option! If I'm paying over 50k, give me that ZF auto!
Amen
i agree with you that the manual shift knob looks a little out of place. I think if i go with this car i will get auto.
Both are awesome!
The Supra value will stay higher than your other cars. Good choice
Thank you! I agree
Driving enjoyment over winning races
I love manuals
The manual is a no cost option. The A91 is a special trim level is an upcharge that only comes in a manual but you can get the base non-premium 3.0 manual for the same price as the auto. The only trim you can't get the manual in is the 2.0.
I appreciate your feedback. I may be wrong. I have seen they require you to add a mandatory safety and technology package which bumps up the price to 56k
@@Gonin60 I saw that on the configuration build on the website as well but I think it was a bug because its showing as a true option on there now. Either way, I test drove the auto and was blown away by how awesome it was. Its the one auto I would not mind owning. Enjoy your ride! I hope to own a Supra in some form some day.
No, toyota website will say M/T no additional cost, but all the 20+ dealers I've looked at, all the manual(even base trim) has a 2.5k-15k dealer markup(market adjustment). Absolute BS and robbing people!!!! I'm just going to wait til next spring and hopefully these dealer markups disappear by then.
@@Kai240i kinda looking like maybe end of 2023 before inventory starts to recover 😭
i feel like the base model 3.0 should have started at like 48
Completely agree!
they keep selling every one they make. People need to stop buying shit at msrp so we can get back to the days of getting discounts off msrp. I believe supply will surpass demand late this year as the chip shortage is on pace to turn into a chip glut
@@joedababnih3982 heck we just need to get people to start paying over msrp first
You listen to Rise Against? I love Rise Against!
Absolutely. Love me some Rise Against!
because we normal people have to go to work. and clutching 20 miles every day will drain the "enthusiast" out of you. :D
I have done it for years. Depends on the car and clutch. My Challenger was tough to daily
How come you have Supra, but not me...😢
I don’t know
It's your money and your car at the end of the day. Both have their value and interests. While manual is engaging and fun, the auto is more efficient and faster. People who give the time of day to say one is better than the other are usually envious or don't even own one at all. I also agree that the technology package on a lot of vehicles aren't even worth it. Especially on a sports car which should be costly for it's performance, not bells and whistles.
Thanks for watching!
If you have a manual car(s) already there is no point of getting another one, You'd still need an easy grocery getter, so I get the part where you'd want an auto. I paid over MSRP for my A91-MT, cause I was looking for a fun and engaging weekend car, and no matter how good the ZF8 was, it wasn't as fun. Also I wasn't really looking to race other cars, so the 0.2-0.5 second 0-60 difference was irrelevant to me. I hope you enjoy your car as well.
How much over msrp did you pay?
@@Gonin60 I could not find any dealer with below 10k mark up in my state, most either were not getting any or were already reserved. I wanted a gray one so had to pull the trigger for an A91, kinda wish they didn't discontinue the turbulence Gray for 23 models, could have saved some money.
To each his own, I guess. One of the best things in the interior of a car is to see a manual gear lever. I really don't care which car it is or if it's a 4 or 6 speed. This is probably just my thing but the art of driving is to be able to drive a manual transmission. Anything else is just steering.
99.9% of the time I agree
Fist of all bro don’t drive in rain fast with Supra , stock tires ain’t that good in rain at all , don’t be a mustang now just advise , secondly auto Supra is better than manual 💯 % , thirdly that transmission holds 600-650wtq easy stage 0 upgrade is 3500$ gets u 750wtq upgraded turbo pure 850’and fuel 750whp or so , easy power . Just enjoy the car but please do not accelerate in rain or bad weather tires are not good above 60 f so be careful. Good choice got 2021 in red 3.0 premium all options including 59k and be careful in bad condition it will be a mustang 😅 also if you need tune Mikey botti follow on Instagram. 10 sec just tune downpipe and if u want more upstaged turbo 9s , unlock ecu 21+ is not cheap 5k or so just heads up but nice car! I chose it over 2021 camaro ZL1 10 speed!
Thanks for the tips
Why bring up the Mustang?
I literally see Camaros, Chargers, Challengers in accidents than I do Mustangs as a Tow Truck driver helper
u still own the supra ? just curious lol
I don’t. I miss it
@@Gonin60 aww man I love ur Supra too! I love automatic too cause I can’t drive a manual car. What are u driving now?
Honestly I think the manual stick shift looks really good and a good manual driver can shift newer manual transmission almost just as fast.
I don’t know about almost. Automatics these days are lightening quick. It’s why 0-60 times fluctuate to half to almost a full second. Autos always stay in the power curve. I prefer manuals btw
Zf8 ftw good choice
Thanks!
Open mind driving A-91 cf loving it you hate my decision please make your own bye
Okay
That shifter defiently gives the EP3 a run for it's money for ugliest shifter.
I’m glad I’m not the only one
I am in the same camp. Folks bragging about 'manual' and looking down at automatic have the same 'small p***s complex'. The tech has come so far, automatic allows me to actually enjoy the ride vs stressing about shifting gears.
Both are great
@@Gonin60 subjective ;P On Sim Racing (where I can take risks) manual slows me down and automatic helps me with times, but yes manual gives me one more point of connection with the car in addition to brakes and steering so yes I am interacting more. I would choose a manual if I was doing country side cruising but for daily driving in traffic, AT is the way to go.
Only people with small dicks stress about shifting
American?
Canadian?
@@Gonin60 no.
Manual transmission was a hot commodity and faster back in the old days. Computerize automatic transmission shifts faster than a human engaged manual shifting. You're going to lose. Heaven forbid u race a DCT., ur phukked. 🏃🏾🏃🏾🏃🏾 You're welcome 😆😆
Thanks
Wow the manual transmission is by far the better option unless you just want to drag race or something.... The manual transmission is what makes the car
Yeah
@@GrindSultan interesting if the manual transmission was not the superior option why does NASCAR still uses manual transmission gearboxes for their race.
Not absurd! You young car enthusiasts dont seem to understand! The manual was and has always been the stapel for true driving exsperince! Sure automactics are quicker in a sense, but it will never be the same as a manual. Not hating just stating facts. Sounds to me you guys have gotten soft and lazy when it comes to the true driving exsperince! SMH.
I love and prefer manuals.
IDK, for me I'd just get a manual out of principle. For me, a 2 door car needs a manual. If I wanted an auto, I'd probably look at a BMW 340i instead and go full cruiser sedan. But in a true sports car, it feels like I'm missing something with an auto, I have even driven DCT sports cars and even otehr ZF8 BMWs and it always felt like something was off and i just wouldn't want to dump money into a sports car that feels off to me so I just couldn't invest into an auto. Different mindset I guess.
Good points
"a 2 door car needs a manual"
Buick Grand National/GNX would like to have a word with you
@@rudgerscumberland9837 I would swap a manual in one, make it a track car, not a drag car :P
@@philspaghet Yet Grand National/GNXs wasn't made for the track. And literally with a manual swap you'll make it slower. Hence, the Automatic is why it beatin' cars like the F40 Ferraris and Corvettes on the strip.
Clearly you're off
Automatic or manual? At the end of the day it’s your money the Supra is superb either way
I agree
Buying a sports car with an automatic transmission is a mistake on a biblical scale. Just go buy a Subaru bro
Lol I would but would need to keep a few engines on hand for when the subie blows or starved itself of oil. I want one don’t get me wrong. I love manuals and prefer them but couldn’t justify the cost
Lamao! I know right? these pansy car enthusiasts these days. SMH. Manual all the way. Come on guys
@@Gonin60 there's always the used market
@@stevenbrown5210 true
Relax, at a certain speed all cars must be automatic, and some are better auto like the mustang 10 speed.
An up charge for a Manual? That's absurd! Under those circumstances, you made the right choice, Bro. Manuals cost less and are easier to repair than their Automatic counterparts. Clearly, they were trying to gouge you.
Toyota is just baking it in to their new price on the car. Not the dealer doing it. Thanks for watching!
You can’t get the manual that why you happy with the automatic 😂
I had an order for a manual. Why you comment when you don’t know the facts. Go away
Bad decision.
Thanks flea
The manual is worth it
At what people will have to pay for it, no it isnt
I’ve driven both quite a lot and the manual is a lot better. I dislike the auto in comparison
Cool
Its your money, you do what you want, but this sounds a lot like copium to me.
You use big words
I love you man and your content but can I vent here for a second .. youtubers are special influencers .. a month ago you were talking about how your challanger in manual was the best now you in an automatic jap toyota in like a month... there is no . Zero brand loyalty thease days .. steve vai played Ibanez guitars when he started guess what he plays on today Ibanez some ppl mat look up to you guys and to just jump ship like it's nothing oh I'm in this car this week n this car that week some ppl work for a decade to get the credit right money right think there making a connection with somebody and then they just jump ship .. very interesting to me
You have no idea what what you’re talking about. I haven’t had my Challenger in over two years. If you prefer people or special CZcamsrs that stick to one brand I can recommended a lot and their videos get so stale and boring and they rehash all the same content