The Protein to Energy Ratio with Dr. Ted Naiman
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 07. 2024
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Dr. Ted Naiman is a board-certified Family Medicine physician in the Department of Primary Care at a leading major medical center in Seattle. His personal research and medical practice are focused on the practical implementation of diet and exercise for health optimization. He is the author of âThe PE Dietâ.
In this episode, we talk about The PE Diet, How Protein is the Leveraging Macronutrient, the Benefits of Prioritizing Protein for Longevity, How to Achieve Metabolic Flexibility Through Diet & Exercise, Insulin Resistance, and More!
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Show Notes:
[0:00] Rachel gives a brief overview of @Ted Naiman to the listeners
[1:30] Welcome back to MetFlex and Chill! Rachel introduces guest Dr. Ted Naiman @tednaiman to the listeners
[2:00] Ted dives into a brief overview of his experience with diet and exercise and how it can be applied to primary care in society
[3:00] The P:E Diet- The protein to energy ratio
[3:30] Question: Can you start with telling the listeners what The PE diet is and how it came about in your practice?
[7:00] Protein to Energy Ratio explained
[9:30] Question: Is there a cap on the amount of protein that you should or can eat in a day for a particular person?
[13:30] Protein and Longevity
[17:30] Question: Are there any negatives to protein?
[19:30] Question: Can you chat about your view of the Carbohydrate/Insulin Hypothesis and how itâs evolved over the years?
[21:30] Glycemic excursion explained
[28:30] Question: What's your take on the concept of metabolic flexibility and being able to use both fuel sources efficiently and effectively?
[30:00] âThe ultimate secret to metabolic flexibility is having the highest lean mass you can get at the lowest fat mass.â Ted Naiman
[36:30] Question: How would you classify high-intensity training?
[42:30] Question: Can you speak to some of the misunderstandings around sugar cravings?
[45:30] Question: Whatâs your take on low carb and keto treats?
[47:30] Question: How do you respond to people who say that artificial sweeteners are toxic?
[49:30] Question: ââWhat's your routine look like when it comes to eating and exercise?
[55:30] Question: Is there anything that you've personally changed your mind about in the past year? And why?
[57:30] Episode 114: Protein Sparing Modified Fasts (PSMF) with Robert Sikes
[59:30] Question: Anything exciting youâre working on or want to share about?
[1:00:00] Satiety Per Calorie
[1:01:30] Can you tell our listeners or viewers where they can find you?
[1:02:00] You can find Ted on at his website www.thePEdiet.com, on Instagram @tednaiman and, on Twitter @tednaiman
[1:02:30] Question: How do you make your protein ice cream?
[1:05:00] Thanks for listening to another episode! Check out www.metflexlife.com for additional nutrition and exercise info along with The Friday Flex- a weekly newsletter for free weekly updates!
Ted is a great guy. Humble, knowledgeable, down to earth and great at explaining things in a simple and clear way
Excellent interview Rachel; Naiman takes the âcrazyâ out of nutrition and offers a smart, effective and pragmatic approach towards getting lean and healthy. Love his work, thanks for having him on your channel
Thanks for tuning in! :)
I've been listening to Ted naiman for years I visit his PE calculator almost daily and I have to tell you this is absolutely the best interview with him! You guys go over more of the" how-to" than the "why" and that is really what makes it easy for us to follow I want to thank you so much for this interview!
So glad you enjoyed it!!!
Good morning. can you help me ? with the P.E calculator how much protein gram, fat gram, carbohydrate gram, fiber gram does it take for a man?
with an example meal. in advance thank you from France
Ted is great. I am with him and he is my chosen doc/guru for fat loss and better health. I respect his background. Smart individual and also easy to understand. i.e. great teacher.
Iâm happy to see that you have changed your tune about the insulin hypothesis. Higher protein lower fat allows you to eat more carbs even more than100g while staying lean.
Ted is revolutionizing
nutrition understanding
Excellent thank you. As a keto zealot with recent doubts this has answered all my questions. Makes so much sense. Thank you! Also taken away my guilt feelings away from sweeteners!
You're very very welcome!! So glad it helped! :)
Im about 50 odd grams of carbs via cruciferous veg with high protein and moderate fat. 2 meals per day. I was keto but this resonates with me much better. I dont overeat now.
I really enjoyed this. I especially like what Dr. Naiman said about PSMF and how he no longer believes this is a good tool to use for fat loss. I agree that it encourages an unhealthy mindset around food and that a much better and more sustainable approach is a modest and gradual increase in protein percentage which can be comfortably practiced over time until the goal is achieved.
Thats a very specific tool for a specific goal⊠canât do that long term
Ted is outstanding he goes back to basic principles and makes more sense than everyone else. His book is excellent and the PE diet is the missing answer to good đ health and longivity..
Agreed!
I totally agree. I bought his book and after reading the entire thing I just about cried because I knew that I had the answer. I now had the power to give myself the best health... and really what it meant was I could move on with my life. Health and fitness mystery solved. What's next
Great interview and one of the best Ted interviews that I have watched and I've watched many and read his book. He's amazing!
Can't tell you how much I loved this interview. Dr. Naiman is a genius. Thank you for doing this interview â€
I found your channel searching Dr Ted Naiman. I love his philosophy & follow PE:DIET along with IF. I just subscribed & going to binge watch your videos. Great information & interview.
Thank you so much for this!
This is the first time that I am watching Rachel, and this is the best Ted Naiman interview that Iâve seen. I just recently started focusing on protein. I am learning a lot!
Same here. First time viewer of Rachel's channel and agree that the Naiman interview was the best that I have seen as well.
I love him every day more thank you â€ïž
The argument is very refined with this
one!
Yes, I agree with Jack to some extent. On a personal level, there are many layers to the onion. I have gone from Whole30, to keto, to carnivore, and am now playing around with P:E diet. I find that I have to have a protein smoothie or pudding to hit my protein goals and these tend to be more sweet tasting. It has me jonesinâ around for more sweet tastes, I think. I also find that these protein powders, egg whites, peanut butter powders etc cause a lot of gas and I am not used to that after being so gas free on carnivore. So I am really trying to push up the natural protein but it is so filling that at times I may not be able to eat enough protein to hit my 1 gm/ pound goal. Trying to find some sort of balance but I do believe that high protein, low carb, lowish fat is probably the best way for me to eat. Thank again, Dr. Naiman, for all of your expertise and guidance! Love your book and interviews!
If you are full, why keep eating to reach a âprotein goal?â The point of high protein is to reduce the total caloric intake through increased satiety. It sounds like you are achieving this.
@@CScott-wh5yk That's exactly what threw me here. In listening to Dr. Naiman saying you'd be too hungry if you just depended on protein it really confused me. In brief stints with carnivore I was never hungry and the sweet cravings went away. That's the reports I hear all the time. So this is puzzling to me.
@@griffinharvey3910 I think the idea is that you have to get enough protein AND energy (carbs or fats) to reach satiety, so both are necessary. But in the modern diet, we generally donât get enough protein, which is driving our hunger. We naturally get too much energy (carbs or fat), so we can cut back there while still achieving satiety through increased protein.
@@CScott-wh5yk Because Neiman and others insist you eat 1 gr per pound of ideal weight. It's impossible for most people. Talk about "religion".
Excellent presentation re the relationship between protein intake and hunger which physiologically limits protein forcing the intake of some carbohydrates and fat. So it's simply impossible to consume too much protein.
Thanks for this great information! Appreciate this interview!
This vid definitely deserves way more views - excellent rational content.
Thanks Rachel. I just found your channel. Really good job on this, insightful, intelligent, respectful, and with understanding for many issues.
Thank you!! Glad youâre here!
Absolutely loved this interview. It all makes so much more sense now.. Thank you so much. I will definitely be listening to this again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Rachel, so good to see you for first time and always so good to hear Ted. I was bleesed by the info and perspectives.
More to come!
I have watched a lot of video interviews with Ted Naiman and this one was well done. I like that you allow the guest speak without multiple interruptions. Subbed. "Looking good naked!" ~ Ted Naiman LOL. but true.
So thankful for this discussion. And Dr. Ted Naiman! Thank you
Thanks for tuning in!!
I have gone very low carb due to 50% blockage in my arteries. If you can do a show on this topic it would be great. Very nice interview!
Excellent interview, thanks for having Ted on the show. Subscribed
Awesome, thank you!
I'd love to hear Dr Naiman have a conversation with David Sinclair. Was listening to professor Sinclair talk about protein activating mTOR today and it's possible negative effects on longevity.
Dr Naiman makes a lot of sense to me though
AWESOME đȘ
Good question!
Very good interview. I just heard about this in my Carnivore group on Facebook. After 6 months of pretty strict carnivore Iâve lost most of the weight Iâd like to lose and am now looking at ways to optimize lean muscle and will be starting resistance training soon. I think this is a perfect time to trial this P:E woe. I really like how he suggests the carbs in the evening approach. I wouldnât have intuitively thought that would be optimal. I also do many 24-36 hr fasts along with my 16/8 so now Iâll dial that back. I have no proof, but I do agree this contributes to lean muscle wasting especially when not doing strength training or really much else in the way of exercise. This interview came at the perfect time for me. Especially coming to carnivore from 6 years of a vegan woe, I really get the âreligiousâ aspect! I just followed your channel.
So glad to hear the interview helped!! Thanks for the follow! :)
Awesome interview! I was doing Carnivore but now moving more into PE!
Thank you!
Dr Ted Naiman or rather Dr Reasonably Balanced. Iâve come full circle with P:E after finally understanding how simplistic it really is.
Almost kissed my phone when he said artificial sweeteners are good to go. Monsters are my jam :)
hahaha
Outstanding interview Rachel!
Makes a lot of sense especially satiety.
Maybe I missed it but Could I please ask he means 100g of total carbohydrates or 100g of net carbs?
Awesome interview! Dr Naiman is a genius!
Thanks!
What was Albert Einstein? lol ...
I agree with him on protein, but not with eating around 100 grams of carbs per day. But I'm a full believer in N=1, if I ate 100g of carbs per day I'd blow up.
Rachel where can I find you talking about protein ice cream? I have a great, amazing ratio to share if you have a ninja! i make them literally every day. Lol
That's awesome! Would love to try your recipe if you want to comment here?
Another great webcast. Thank you.
I have read Dr Naimanâs book. Also tried to incorporate a few more carbs into my diet. Not sure that was working for me. Seems like a few more carbs was triggering an addictive response. I believe his P:E ratio makes sense BUT if you have fought off obesity and insulin resistance canât it be dangerous by triggering carb addiction?
He talks about that at min 24.
We chatted about this on the Instagram Live yesterday :)
@@RachelGregory oh nice. hopefully recorded I was driving all day yesterday so will look for this. Thanks!
@@danieljack505 it was! Here's the link: instagram.com/p/CSfmsYbpShs/
I am 67 years old male, 25% body fat, 180 lbs keto diet but I am fighting high TG. 500. I think I may need to increase protein and decrease fat intake and may need to decrease carbs as well. I went down to 150 TG when I went keto the first 6months. What do you think is best to reduce TG at age 67?
Starting off with trying a higher protein approach may be advantageous!
What about people who don't eat carbs, have no desire for them and aren't starving - without eating lots of fat?
Some thoughts/questions. Refined fats = industrial veggie-based oils, not animal fat. Body builders and athletes can eat a ton of carbs and be low fat because of their lean mass and their metabolism. Obese people can't lose weight that way... or can they?
Dr. Ted! You mentioned ârefined fatsâ. Do you mean veg/seed oils or saturated fats like butter/ribeye?
Thanks
Been following you for quite some time!đđ
Generally refined fats are referring to fats like vegetable/seed oils. Hope that helps!
Aspartame is toxic with MANY tests and personal stories to prove it. I am an example of it. At one point thought I had Lupus but cut out all aspartame and returned to normal. I personally will not touch the stuff or anything containing it, even with a small amount like gum. MANY people have experienced the same response. Proceed with caution. I love Dr Ted but this really Disappointed me. âčïž Plus artificial sweeteners have been proven to increase sweet cravings and cause an insulin responseâŠ
His PE diet is like taking a shot of ozempic without the side effects.
Dr. Valter Longo = less protein to increase lifespan. Sarcopenic but live to 100?
Iâm Naiman
I am curious why if humans do not need carbohydrates there would be any phenomenon of carbohydrate hunger. Though I agree that any time I have tried to go keto (admittedly vegetarian at the time), I found myself standing with the fridge door open eating cubes of cream cheese. I hadn't done that kind of compulsive eating for years. I am trying 40% protein now. After two months, it still feels very narrow in choices. And I can feel full but not satisfied, even sometimes with low-sugar fruit. Waa! I miss my whole grain starches and legumes! But I also measure blood glucose after meals and to keep it under 130 ideally, I can't eat much of what I call variety. It's not really about calories anymore, so there is less ability to "fudge." I don't want more food in general; I want more garbanzos or whole rye berries! Or melon or nectarine or... you get the gist. But I guess in this group that would just be my addiction raising its head. I have maintained a 40-lb+ loss for many years without all this restriction. But blood sugar is much trickier.
It may just be that your body needed some time with a lower carb intake to increase insulin sensitivity a bit more and therefore help with blood sugar regulation. After you've done that for a period of time, you should be able to start to introduce those foods you mentioned above in gradual amounts and continue to increase them slowly while still keeping blood sugar regulated overall. It's all about finding that balance that works for you personally. It does take time and lots of testing/assessing though.
@@RachelGregory I was not talking about myself only, though I mentioned my experience. Dr. Naiman himself referred to carbohydrate hunger. Did he not say in this video that adherence to pure carnivore is extremely low and that carbohydrate hunger was a reason for it? I was just curious and am not interested in trying to cut carbs any more than I do at this point. I am already aiming at 40% protein and no foods that take me past 130 BG after the meal. Exercise has to be the next piece of the puzzle for me. But I do like the idea you refer to, that I may be able to increase sensitivity because though I don't miss any junk food, I do miss legumes and some whole grains cooked in water (no flour.) and fruit besides berries and apples. Thanks for your suggestion.
Great but I don't agree when Naiman says having the leanest body composition avoid metabolic diseases (30âČ10âČâČ). Lean type 2 diabetics are proof of that.
I like we have to consider "leanest body comp" as individualized to the person.
Cracks me up with rat chow thing..
But it is so true! We have worked out detailed macros for livestock, lab rats, etc to achieve specific goals. Our nutritional information on human food ( and â processed food-like substances â) needs to be reflected this way as well. Our SAD macros match the most fattening form of fat chow used to make rats obese in the lab!
My wife and I use ârat chowâ regularly in conversation these days đ
Thanks to TedâŠ
hahaa
I just fail to see how to keep fat to 0.4 grams per lb of ideal body weight and eat 1.2 grams of protein. Animal protein other than skinless chicken breast and shrimp are all have higher fat content.
0.4 grams per pound is typically the minimum recommended amount to consume, not maximum.
How old is Ted ?
not sure.
@@RachelGregory early 40s I would guess
50
â@@gabardjean-paul3779 he's 50
I don't want to spoil the general enthusiasm, but Dr. Naiman eats extremely little, so he is slim. If he eats 40% of the calories from protein, and eats 1.3 grams of protein per pound of body weight (and he is about 176 pounds), he eats only 1760 kcal a day. And that's very little ... Think about it a little pls...
I think that was more of a general estimate so I do believe he eats more than that.
@@RachelGregory i hope so:)
That's cause He's fulfilled. He states this quite a bit that eating high protein like he does is very fulfilling and satiating
So you rely on bmi (body weight based from height) even though it is known to be a highly flawed metric. đ€
Someones never heard of neoglucogensis and glycated fat/ protein.
This just sounds like atkins revamped.
So? The revamping is significant.
I'm not sure that's what he was referring to exactly.
One gramme per pound?? Why mix metric with imperial measures? Por que tambien no speak in Spanish e ingles???? Is it too difficult for Americans to speak in metric?
Carbs are entertainment and unnecessary.
I thought aspartame was linked to Alzheimerâs disease.
Naiman and others insist you eat 1 gr protein per pound of ideal weight. They never discuss what research this random recommendation is based on.....and for who. I'm a 60 y/o woman. I struggle to get to 100 gr let alone 140 đ€ą. Add intermittent fasting into the mix and it is even more challenging, if not impossible. Not happening. Talk about "religion". No real world application for me. Hard pass.
Drink Whey Protein Shakes ...Daily ...That will definitely get u to 200g of hight quality protein easily . My Mom is 73 ...was obese ...dropped 25kg bodyfat already ...and is at 180-200g Protein daily .She also had to struggle with eating enough to get to the recquired 120g via conventional dietary choices ...Works perfectly for her now and no l9nger has hunger craving issues at the same time losing weight .i musst say ...i made her increase her daily physical activity drastically . 30-1hr moderate brisk walks + Garden Work
Oh i reduced her dietary Fat intake to a maximum of 5% ...instead offrying / deepfrying ...Use Fatfree Airfrying/ baking in the oven ....U do not need to add extra Fat or oil to any food u r cooking for urself and try to avoid junk food .
@@enumaukpabia7677 To get to 200 gr of protein I would have to drink 3-4 servings of whey protein per day. They're only 30 gr max per serving/scoop. Not possible. That would curb appetite for real food. And whey protein is not nearly as absorbable as protein from real food aka meat. Something like 17% actually gets absorbed nutritionally. If your mom is getting half her protein from whey, she is nutritional deficient in protein....per Naiman's recommendations. No worries though. I believe he, and others on the high protein bandwagon, are dead wrong on this one. Not to mention too high protein can cause other problems. It's very hard on the kidneys, liver and heart, and can raise blood sugar.
Must say: Dr. Ted Neiman is aging quickly and beyond the norm.
why do you say that?
Marilyn, you think most 49-year-old men look younger?