🧙 The Five Year Gap Explained
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- In ASOIAF, what exactly is this five year gap that podcasters and youtubers keep talking about? There's no gap in time during the books, it runs sequentially. So what is it? It is your lucky day. In this video, break down what it was, why it existed, what happened to it, and where it is today in these books that we love. And how it is responsible for A Feast for Crows.
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I would accept an hour long explanation too
I'm trying an experiment in brevity
@@JoeMagician I mean, it's great for the more casual readers, but I'm rather obsessed with this topic and I'd love to listen about it for hours , a'la Magician style
@@JoeMagician fun fact: my Hungarian copy (2004) of ASoS names it the 3rd part of "the very popular trilogy" on the front cover, and it mentions in the back that GRRM is currently working on the fourth part of the series, which is called A Dance With Dragons
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@@JoeMagician brevity is overrated! Just ask George... ;-)
It all makes sense now. GRRM is a literary hoarder. He is buried under all his piled-up characters and locations and plot ideas, unable to part with anything. No wonder he has so much trouble getting unstuck and moving forward faster than a turtle's pace.
So his greatest *strength* - having so many good ideas for a story - is also his greatest *weakness* - he wants to put all those ideas into that story and make them all work together.
How poetic! 😂
While I read the books, I just imagine that the time it would take the characters to travel from one location to another as it takes months for King Robert to travel to Winterfell and the same or more to get back. As well, you have to imagine that there are just seemingly never ending circumstances in which time is passing while the characters are experiencing days, weeks, months and even years of everyday life. They have to eat, sleep and poop too. For example, in the case of Arya's travels through Westoros, a lot of time must have passed while Yoren led them along with a wagon full of criminals. They had to gather food and firewood for many people. They probably passed many nights sitting around fires and especially if the weather didn't cooperate, wagons getting stuck, horses to be fed and shoed, dealing with Kingsguard, the Men Without Banners, Harrenhal and other instances. During this time Arya is also practicing her dancing skills.
To me, this concept is not really anything to waste time worrying about so much. Let the readers insert their own imaginations and timelines. That is part and parcel of enjoying a great read.
I knew what the 5 yr gap meant, however this was still informative. Thank you.
It's the time that takes Martin to write one chapter
I see you incorporated the latest r/asoiaf news with that nod to the draft version of Brienne's last two AFFC chapters. Nice job!
Oo I should add that thread in the description
Nice Video, it presented some aspects I didn’t knew before.
But I always asked myself why grrm didn’t do a 2 or 3 year gap. I guess 2-3 years of training for sansa Bran and Arya are better than just a few months. A telling 2 years in flashback seems doable to me.
Anyway @Joe Magician do you think grrm changes the stories for his younger characters a lot compared to his original plan?
Have a nice Christmas over there in the US
You put a lot of effort into your content, and it shows. New intro is dope btw!
This greatly effected briennes story arc ive heard
She became pretty a wise man once said
Did you just call him Grmm? 🤣 I love it.
He actually called him Grrm
His adaptation to the decision to ditch the gap is a little questionable. Arya WoW sample chapter features her being consistently cat-called by sailors in Bravos and using her sexuality to her advantage frequently... While being eleven. That kind of thing tracks for a 16 year-old, but I don't think real medieval peoples had pedophilia in such prevalence. I don't think she's even hit puberty yet.
Sorry, but no. The chapter says she has no breast development yet. And the other gaurd was discusted by how young she is. She is 11.
@@joshuabeckham2387 hm?
Sorry miss read what you wrote and didn't watch the whole video first. Thought this was about another crazy thoery.
@@joshuabeckham2387 Ah. No problemo.
I personally don't pay that much attention to the dates of the events since it is so dense that timing usually doesn't make so much sense. Imo, GRRM develops the characters beautifully but when you look at the dates and ages it takes away from the story. When I read the chapters I disregard the supposed ages of the characters and focus more on the mental/physical portrayals of the characters.
I didn't know Daniel Abraham was involved. Explains the structure of The Expanse.
Next year will be 10 years since a Dance with Dragons was released... At this rate, GRRM will be in his Nineties when (if) he finishes the series.
It’s extremely unlikely the books get completed
@@210SAi For years I have encouraged my fellow ASOIAF fans to be patient and optimistic, and I usually still do, but there is something eerily [possibly] foreboding about the title of 'A *Dream* of Spring'.
i dont think he will ever release it. honestly . at this point he dont even need too. so whats his motivation?
@@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive It would suck if he didn't finish the series but I think the fanbase is sometimes too harsh on him.
Nicely produced video!! Short and sweet. It’s fun to think about what might have been, and what might be if he finds a way to fit in a several years-long gap after TWOW to make the young starks more fitting for their endings. Likely not, but I feel like it’s not totally off the table for him.
That's the odd part, he did not solve his problem of the young POVs. There could be a multi-year gap after TWOW to fix that. Although he seems to have shifted to playing on the idea that his characters are not ready and are in over their heads on purpose.
Pretty sure that Will be a timeskip between TWOW and ADOS considering the whole thing about the Long Night lasting a entire generation!
I loved this series!!! Wish it would have lasted longer!! Is there more suppose to come in the future?
I bought the 5 book series on ebay in pieces. Do the books follow the tv story & how much more is in the books than the tv series?
Yup! I'm thinking about doing the pitch letter next.
The tv show follows the books untill about A Dance with dragons and a feast for crows. Then they ran out of written material and finished the story with george's help.
@@JoeMagician I'd love to see that Joe
3:51 I saw that.
it is an awful shame he didn't have the characters start off a bit older. With Arya, Jon and Bran in particular being so young it seems very unrealistic what they're doing in the books.
I guess some plot points required them to be children and others required them to be adults, like starting off naive and immature and then growing up to deal with the situation.
@@antonioklaic4839 13 and 12 would’ve sufficed
what’s so unrealistic
GRRM is so terrible with numbers in general haha. I have a sort of head cannon that since Planetos doesn’t orbit our sun, a year is probably a bit different in Westeros and all the characters are actually a bit older than stated
This is great
The series is taking so long to end because George has realized he crippled the story he wanted to tell from the first book.
The fact he has so much written down gives me hope that when he dies, we'll be able to get an idea of how he wanted the story to end. I say that because there is no fucking way A Dream of Spring is actually going to release and I cant be left on a 20+ year cliffhanger
He should have done this it would have been easier to finish the main story, then he could have been free to fill in the gaps with like say a Riverlands novella about Jamie and Briene
Hi Joe magician
Is sansa hitting a Juul in that pic lol
Yup! A legendary behind the scenes picture
@@JoeMagician epic lol
Why thank you Mr. Joe Magician.
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Really whenever I sit and bitch about Martin not releasing the last two books, I stop and really look at the world he created and how we as fans and the community see it. We see these videos and stop and see how deeply things are connected and there are literally no errors whatsoever. It's just amazing. I know that Martin has to be a realist and realize that he may not finish his books, and have talking points and main plots outlined, as well as a ghost writer. I can go off when my life is bad and I am in a place where I need to go to another world, he has provided me that world and it's got me through some of the toughest times of my life.
Now my life has been back together and I fought of the demons I had to, for many years now I go back and visit this world and catch all the stuff I missed and these here videos are great and it's taken for granted all we can sit and do with a WiFi connection and a phone.
Thank you.
You put my feelings into words, beautiful
without it, the Best book would never have been written, or at least it wouldn't be the same.
Almost done with AFFC and it is the most boring book. Just got ADWD today and I'm really hoping it's better lol..
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I think a lot of it has to do with so much POV from cersei and zero tyrion and dany and almost zero jon. Not missing bran much tbh either lol amd Arya finally started to get good with the hound and house of black and white
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@@spinakker14 The intro counts, it is known.
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