I'm not sure what to think about some of the boss items. If Father Norbert was such an early boss, was he the Cleric beast? Vicar Amelia might have originally been Saint Laura, but why was she so late in the game? Was the creature that became Mergo's Wet Nurse originally the boss at the end of the forbidden woods? And was "Kos" originally actually a boss? All very strange, I'd love to hear what others think on all this...
The boss at the end of the Forbidden Woods is probably the Snake Ball. If I had to guess Mergo's Wet Nurse was supposed to be a boss instead of Amygdala? For example, from the Forbidden Woods you come back to the locked up part of the clinic and through it to the Nightmare? Also, 落とし子 doesn't mean Fallen child, it's Bastard/illegal child. And it may be me, but I think literal translation of Dream Demon for 夢魔 fits the context better. Btw, why did you not cover Chalice Bosses? I noticed several interesting names: Silverbeast Fauna and Kin of Fauna (Kin of Silverbeast), Old sacrificed maiden (Strayed widow) [and that's not Queen Yharnam, because Queen is the Bride of Foul Blood], Beast-blooded King (Originator of beasts), Black beast and Black Beast-skeleton [which implies that there was a living version of Paarl]. I'm especially interested in Fauna, since we know that Moon was called Flora.
I have a feeling that the item to obtain blood echoes was called Fresh Livers due to the belief in early medicine and anatomy that blood was formed/created in the liver before being circulated.
Honestly, I don't see why the Bosses "Fresh Livers" were cut. Their animation is sooooo well done (obviously, for a alpha stage, but they could've polished it up before the final game) and I think it would have been a great oportunity to write on their descriptions a little bit more lore about the boss. Anyway, great video mate! Subscribed!
I suppose someone has already written about this, but the choice of livers as the 'souls item' rather than coldblood is a very interesting choice rooted in medical history. Even before the actual function of the liver was known, scholars and doctors recognised its importance. The Roman anatomist Galen, though incorrect about a lot of things due to the limits of his era (3rd century AD), thought it was the principal organ of the body, calling it "the source of the veins and the principal instrument of sanguification" - that is, he thought it was the source of blood! According to a paper I read five minutes ago, "several scholars thought that it was the seat of a fire that burned perpetually in the human body. So, in ancient physiology the warmness of the liver was seen as the origin of the human spirit that flew up into the brain through the heart." It was also believed to be the source of yellow bile, one of the four 'humours'; humours being the liquids which pre-modern physicians believed to govern one's health (the others being black bile, phlegm, and blood). The rudimentary understanding and comprehension of the liver's importance bled over into culture, even before Galen and other natural philosophers were formalising it. Many cultures have held it to be the seat of the soul; the Talmud refers to it as the source of anger. The practice of haruspicy (also known as hepatomancy), divination by 'reading' the livers of animals, was also widely practiced throughout the Mediterranean and Near East in ancient times. Then, of course, there's also the way in which it's entered many languages. Wikipedia has more information in this regard, but the example that immediately comes to mind is how English (among others) associates the liver with courage - think of how cowards were called 'lily-livered' (i.e. their liver was white - devoid of humours), or how Shakespeare referred to a monarch as the liver of the nation. Okay, I'm done now (even though somebody probably already beat me to the punch). I just thought about the importance of the liver in pre-modern medicine and Googled it.
I agree. I reckon that that unused "MAGIC" menu was actually meant to be how you equip and use these spells, and there'd be a totally different method of using/casting them with a larger effect. In the debug menu, I was able to equip these spells as "MAGIC" rather than "Quick Use" but there's no way to actually cast them as there's no "Cast spell" button in Bloodborne.
It's possible that leveling your INT or Arcane stat equivalent in the menu would've increased the number of Augur spikes/Wrath strikes, since leveling INT gives more Homing Soulmass projectiles in Dark Souls, for example. Most likely what Brajan said though.
There was. The little lamp added to your weight and slowed stamina recovery until they patched it. There is also still a way to BLOCK in the game will large 2 handed transformed weapons; leftover from dark souls mechanics
Sleepless Specter From looking at the UI, it seems they used a version of DS2 UI for Bloodborne early on, hence why they hid the inventory menu from the alpha
I think one of their early concepts was to have the character slowly turn into a beast just like your character slowly turns hollow in Dark Souls 3 the more you die. My guess is that the character would get a more beastly look the more he got bathed in blood.
it's really fascinating to learn about the original names for some of the bosses. it makes it seem like the story might have been a looooot different at the start!
Unfortunately not, I looked through my comment history and everything and I couldn't find it. Not only that but the comment was far too long for me to be able to relay what I remember from when I read it.
Kos probably refers to what we know of Ebrietas due to so much confusion between who is doing what to Ebrietas in the final game. It would explain some stuff with Micholash.
These livers got me thinking thinky thoughts. Visceral attacks have always seemed weird. Its standard for a Souls game to feature a riposte but in Bloodborne, why are we attacking with our bare hands instead of with our equipped weapon? Visceral attacks are, in mere passing, described as a dark Hunter technique in the Clawmark Rune. Ok. But what are we doing exactly with this attack? And what's with our hand in the aftermath? Maybe, originally, we were plunging our claw-like, beastly hand into our enemies trunk and ripping out their liver? Maybe we even held it in our hand, which would explain why our stance post-attack is perfect for the camera to see a bloody liver? With the word "Visceral" meaning "internal organs", this Dark Hunter Technique could literally have been an organ attack that removes the liver. Is there anything (takes a deep breath) in the code that hints at an unused asset associated with the Visceral attack animation? Maybe an .obj of a bloody liver laying about?
I think most of those post-boss liver items became Hunter Tools. The Deflect one became Beast Roar, and the useless meteorite became the nuke known as A Call Beyond.
Yeah it's common sense if you USED them, but it seems like a lot of people never tried them out in combat. Beast Roar is actually FORCE from dark souls; does deflect bullets/arrows/some magic.
I find it so interesting how seemingly all of the Soulsborne games (or at the very least, DS3, BB and Sekiro) are very much built on the same core framework. I mean, it’s by no means surprising, but their shared debug system, and how so much of it seems to be left over in each game, is quite cool.
So wait the amygdala are “incomplete”? Huh. You know theres statues of the little baby things that look like they’re turning into amygdalas, right? Maybe the choir was MAKING amygdala?
Incomplete False God = The One Reborn. Internally, The One Reborn is called "Half Baked Devil", which in hindsight is how I probably should have translated this item too.
Therianthropy is the ability to shapeshift into animals, much like how the beasts in Bloodborne become like werewolves, so I think that the beast blood potion was related to the beasthood system in the game. edit: I misheard what you said! You said it's some sort of beasthood thing already. Whoops. But, yeah, I have no real insight on what this system is supposed to do, but it's interesting that it seems like it's an older form of a beast blood pellet.
A little bit of liver speculation: Because of a lack of a liver for Ebrietas, and the Augur being the Augur of Kos instead of Ebrietas, and Ebrietas's model appearing in early alpha footage, I imagine that that Great One was Kos in the original build. Strange that there's no liver for Gerhman or the Moon Presence. Maybe they didn't play a large role in the final product? This is a demo build of the alpha version, so their livers just might not have been implemented yet but it's just food for thought. Interesting that Mergo's Wet Nurse is called a "Succubus" internally. Because they are dream demons. Nothing really speculative here, just an observation. I wonder if the order of the livers have any significance? If so, it's interesting that Saint Laura is near the end. Lastly, and least of all, there's probably meant to be a massive blood splatter effect with the livers. The animation has the hunter hold it above his head and smash it and the 'souls' flow into him ala Dark Souls. Probably this is a placeholder effect until blood splatters and echo physics could be implemented.
Amazing that this version was only 6 months from release! They polished it up a lot and did a lot of work in those 6 months. Bloody hell! Interesting to see how much was there in the alpha though. Good to see some insight into the games creation. Thanks for these videos.
I am truly amazed that you're able to do this stuff! It's so awesome seeing the cut content of my favorite game of all time! Keep up the amazing work mate!
This has a few interesting little tidbits to think about, but I think what many of the community would like to see is a clipped camera view of what, if anything, is actually beneath the infamous Byrgenwerth trapdoor. An unused area? A shortcut to an existing area? A muddled mess of half completed textures, or perhaps an as yet undiscovered enemy or npc? Theories persist, but there’s only one way to find out. Lend us your eyes on the inside, Sir Lance.
Balaam _ Unfortunately, Lance doesn't save his streams as VODs on Twitch. His channel is Lance McDonald there too. But in the footage, it shows how there are only textures on the top portion of the Byrgenwerth building. Looking up when below the trapdoor will show a few assets floating in space and nothing else.
Eduardo Pratti thank you for the description, it’s provided some closure on this for me. It would have been nice to find a partially coded chalice dungeon or something, but at least I have something of an answer at this point. I was so frustrated when boundary break failed to even touch on this subject.
I...I spent most of yesterday with CZcams open. CZcams knows I watch all of your videos the instant I see them. Why must I wait a full day before I can know of your work?
I think blood borne is very affected from Cthulhu mythology trpg. 1:24 "SAN値ショップ" mean "Sanity point shop" in English.But in Japanese Final version, it is named "啓蒙ショップ" mean "Insight shop".
Well, Insight is pretty much (in)Sanity Points, right? You gain Insight from seeing things that don't/can't make sense. The higher the Insight the more crazy things you've seen and the crazier you are.
Can you figure out if it is possible to use simple melee weapons of simple mobs, like rakes or a greatsword from the chalice enemy? Thing I really miss in bloodborne is an ability to use non trick weapons
I really enjoyed this no nonsense show off of early item names and animations, one might think it's an "uninteresting" prompt but plain Core stuff taste very good too!
Been having ideas of what some boss weapons/runes/tools could have been. Kinda sucks that their wasn’t a boss soul exchange system in the main game it breaks my heart
Speculation: Moon’s Messenger is probably Gerhman or someone similar. Kos, Fallen Child of the Moon is probably the Moon Presence (Moon Presence falls from the moon). That said, evidence against is that Moon Presence is called Inherit the Nightmare internally
Chronicler J I could read out the names of all key items and outfit names but it was going to be really boring for video so I didn’t do it. I might save those for another video where I have move interesting stuff to couple with them.
ok it may sound stupid, but what if you dropped in the hunter's dream file then tried to use the chair? The scripting might not be there and it might be a bit buggy but it could be cool to try.
Lance, your videos are absolutely great. Keep up the good work, m8. I've got one question and maybe someone will be able to answer. How/why do the devs leave unused content in the game files? I mean, since it's unused, it shouldn't be in the code/files either, right?
I know I'm 3 years late, but the answer is that it's simply just much easier and safer to render the content unaccessible than it is to remove it - who knows what you'll break when you delete stuff.
i dunno if its just youtube compression hiding them, but the alpha seems to have far less jaggies/aliasing than the final product. its a shame cause graphically it looked a lot better to me.
So lets see here. Kos dead on the beach> Orphan afflicted and parasite bound> Moon Presence overtaken by parasite>Moon Presence cut form> One Reborn(a ritual to summon Kos bringing an amalgam of dead Kos and dead Orphan). All of this linked within the poor bastard Gherman. With this latest title of Kos methinks the moon is her true corpse, and the Moon Presence refers to the parasite jumping ship upon her orphan, slowly overtaking it while looking for a new host.
The idea of "boss livers" is very interesting to me. Makes me wonder if they had, at some point, considered putting in a "liver transmutation" system to make it possible to get boss weapons. It appears to not exist at all in the alpha or final versions of the game, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist, or wasn't considered seriously at some point during development. Either way, really cool stuff.
This is so cool! I think more people are starved for Bloodborne content than you think. In the Alpha version, can you travel into later areas of the game, past Gascoigne? I feel like you explained that in one of your videos, but I would just like to know if there's any other avenue of pulling cut content out of the game than just what was in the Alpha. Good job, keep it up!
Lol that even FromSoft were calling blood echoes souls at one point. P.s. I would be entertained with even the most inconsequential minutia from this game. Keep it up.
Kinda late on the draw, and someone may have mentioned all the things I'm saying, but I like jotting down my thoughts about your findings. Kinda like the Notebook in a way I guess. One thing I was curious about was when you put your Blood Vials in the quick access thing, and it let you do the same for Quicksilver Bullets (even though you didn't.) I wonder what happens if you put them there, and if you can, what happens when you use them. When you mentioned that Blood Echoes were called Souls back in the alpha, I got to thinking that perhaps Bloodborne was built off of Dark Souls more than what we already know. Perhaps the "Magic" section is a carryover from the Souls games, with the reason you can (potentially) change it in the menu likely being debug stuff. Interestingly, the animation for using the Fresh Livers looks very similar to the animation used for "breaking" bloodgems such as the Red Jeweled Brooch and the Tear Stone, although obviously angled differently. The Fresh Liver for Micolash being referred to as "Fresh Liver of Micolash's Cast-Off Shell" is very interesting in the context of the game's lore as well. Were we originally supposed to fight Micolash, or perhaps simply his body, outside of a nightmare world? Or, assuming this can still be considered canon, is the Micolash we fight not the "true" Micolash, but possibly his former body, a recreation of him, or possibly even a split twin of him (something like Mary and Maria in Silent Hill 2)? It's also strange that he's fought so early on, before even Rom, here. Maybe Micolash and Master Willem were supposed to be the same, considering the state you find Willem in the full game? It would make "Cast-off shell" and "The university professor" make more sense. Assuming that the levels are structured in the same order, and "Incomplete False God" is supposed to be The One Reborn, Saint Laura (who is likely Vicar Amelia) would have been fought in the Nightmare of Mensis as well, which has very interesting connotations. Given the function and name of Augur of Kos (some say Gos), it seems like early on Kos and Ebrietas had their names switched. Given how one of the Fresh Livers belongs to Kos (in this case the original Ebrietas), and Ebrietas was said to be left behind by the Great Ones, this makes a lot of sense. But if so, that makes "Ebrietas's Inheritor" - in this case, we can assume it'd be Kos's Inheritor in the full game if the boss stayed - a VERY interesting concept. I can only think of the Orphan of Kos as an inheritor for Kos. But does this mean that the Orphan would have been in the base game? Rage of Kos seems to operate like the Blacksky Eye (another DLC relation, oddly), given both the animation as well as how the projectile seems to be the same aside from going in completely the wrong direction. Reflective Light Wall, meanwhile, seems to just be an early version of Beast Roar. And wow, I overanalyzed the hell out of this. But this is a very interesting video and there's a lot to cover. Once again, awesome video, Lance, and I can't wait for what's next.
Some info to add for your thoughts: You can put bullets in your shortcuts, but when you press Square to use then, the character does the default *shrug*. Blood Echoes are called Souls in the alpha because Bloodborne was originally a direct sequel to Demon's Souls, so this was likely carried over from that until quite late in development. "Micolash's Cast-off Shell" is Willem's official internal name. I think its a reference to the fact that Micolash was originally Willem's student before Micolash "cast off" his teachings and left. Willem was a boss you fought at Byrgenwerth Lecture Hall in an earlier draft of the game. Nightmare of Mensis didn't exist in this alpha, it was a location called "Trap Road" and it had an entirely different boss, internally just called "Trap Road Boss", which has been completely deleted. No idea why Saint Laura was such a late boss or what role she played.
Okay, that helps a lot, lol. Bloodborne being a sequel to Demon's Souls originally also explains the magic since...well, there was magic in Demon's Souls. And thanks, now I've learned even more today than before.
Lance McDonald Hold on, it gets confusing even by Bloodborne standarts. When you say "in the earlier draft of the game Willem was a boss you fought in Byrgenwerth Lecture Hall" do you mean an NPC named Willem or the model whom we know as Willem, but who was originally Micolash? If it's the latter, it's very weird. There was that one dialogue from the earlier draft - Hello, I'm Micolash, local pope, ty for having Norbert rekt, now get off to the Byrgenwerth. It feels weird to me to have him as a boss in Byrgenwerth…
I would like it if you had read the extra chalice boss souls too. I personally would have liked it better if they kept the livers more than I like all those blood clots. It could have gone from clots to kidneys as if you were get purer blood, and then hearts for the bosses. I really felt like this game could have used boss weapons. It had very little weapon variety, although I will admit all of them are very creative. All of those findings are very interesting. Beta content always makes it seem like the games were going to be wildly different.
Do you mind putting the "other" chalice dungeon boss livers in the description/ separate video? These titles and descriptions are extremely interesting
I'm not sure what to think about some of the boss items. If Father Norbert was such an early boss, was he the Cleric beast? Vicar Amelia might have originally been Saint Laura, but why was she so late in the game? Was the creature that became Mergo's Wet Nurse originally the boss at the end of the forbidden woods? And was "Kos" originally actually a boss? All very strange, I'd love to hear what others think on all this...
I wanted Kos to be a boss :(
Perhaps Kos is the alpha name of Ebrietas. And "エーブリエタースを継ぐ物(Successor of Ebrietas)" is Gehrman. Probably Ebrietas was Moon Presence's
alpha name.
Love the videos, keep it up with this kind of content :)
Without spoiling too much, no. You don't fight Kos.
The boss at the end of the Forbidden Woods is probably the Snake Ball. If I had to guess Mergo's Wet Nurse was supposed to be a boss instead of Amygdala? For example, from the Forbidden Woods you come back to the locked up part of the clinic and through it to the Nightmare? Also, 落とし子 doesn't mean Fallen child, it's Bastard/illegal child. And it may be me, but I think literal translation of Dream Demon for 夢魔 fits the context better.
Btw, why did you not cover Chalice Bosses? I noticed several interesting names: Silverbeast Fauna and Kin of Fauna (Kin of Silverbeast), Old sacrificed maiden (Strayed widow) [and that's not Queen Yharnam, because Queen is the Bride of Foul Blood], Beast-blooded King (Originator of beasts), Black beast and Black Beast-skeleton [which implies that there was a living version of Paarl].
I'm especially interested in Fauna, since we know that Moon was called Flora.
Ahh, Gos, or some say Gosm... Do you hear our prayers? We will not abandon the cut content.
You could literally discover a pebble with a different model and I'll be interested in it. Keep em' comin, Lance!
Micolash, Host of bad boss design fuck you just fuck you how about next time drop some thing useful you peace of crap
@@cheesethehoonter2955 pebble is just dried eye ball
it's almost like your character holds Fresh livers over themselves as to be drenched in the blood of it upon tearing it open
I find it interesting how coldblood was livers originally, and in a visceral animation on a human you may as well be pulling their liver out :V
I have a feeling that the item to obtain blood echoes was called Fresh Livers due to the belief in early medicine and anatomy that blood was formed/created in the liver before being circulated.
Or because of livor mortis, where blood settles neatly in the liver shortly after death.
Honestly, I don't see why the Bosses "Fresh Livers" were cut. Their animation is sooooo well done (obviously, for a alpha stage, but they could've polished it up before the final game) and I think it would have been a great oportunity to write on their descriptions a little bit more lore about the boss. Anyway, great video mate! Subscribed!
It’s genuinely upsetting..
Another interesting thing is Vileblood Queen flesh looks vaguely like a liver...
Because they thought it was too close to the souls games, is my bet.
"The blood echo count is marked as 'souls'"
*the entire soulsborne theorist community*: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Blood Echoes literally being called souls, lol.
Well that's what they literally are
@@AydarBMSTU no, they're *literally* XP.
@@Micolashcage1 Actually it’s currency👍🏼
@@lawstonlovelace8834 (Y)our eyes are yet to open.
@@Micolashcage1 that’s also what soul s bruh
I suppose someone has already written about this, but the choice of livers as the 'souls item' rather than coldblood is a very interesting choice rooted in medical history. Even before the actual function of the liver was known, scholars and doctors recognised its importance. The Roman anatomist Galen, though incorrect about a lot of things due to the limits of his era (3rd century AD), thought it was the principal organ of the body, calling it "the source of the veins and the principal instrument of sanguification" - that is, he thought it was the source of blood! According to a paper I read five minutes ago, "several scholars thought that it was the seat of a fire that burned perpetually in the human body. So, in ancient physiology the warmness of the liver was seen as the origin of the human spirit that flew up into the brain through the heart." It was also believed to be the source of yellow bile, one of the four 'humours'; humours being the liquids which pre-modern physicians believed to govern one's health (the others being black bile, phlegm, and blood).
The rudimentary understanding and comprehension of the liver's importance bled over into culture, even before Galen and other natural philosophers were formalising it. Many cultures have held it to be the seat of the soul; the Talmud refers to it as the source of anger. The practice of haruspicy (also known as hepatomancy), divination by 'reading' the livers of animals, was also widely practiced throughout the Mediterranean and Near East in ancient times. Then, of course, there's also the way in which it's entered many languages. Wikipedia has more information in this regard, but the example that immediately comes to mind is how English (among others) associates the liver with courage - think of how cowards were called 'lily-livered' (i.e. their liver was white - devoid of humours), or how Shakespeare referred to a monarch as the liver of the nation.
Okay, I'm done now (even though somebody probably already beat me to the punch). I just thought about the importance of the liver in pre-modern medicine and Googled it.
I bet that these spells with random metheor/tentacle were supposed to summon more of them and work like firestorm in Dark Souls
I agree. I reckon that that unused "MAGIC" menu was actually meant to be how you equip and use these spells, and there'd be a totally different method of using/casting them with a larger effect. In the debug menu, I was able to equip these spells as "MAGIC" rather than "Quick Use" but there's no way to actually cast them as there's no "Cast spell" button in Bloodborne.
It's possible that leveling your INT or Arcane stat equivalent in the menu would've increased the number of Augur spikes/Wrath strikes, since leveling INT gives more Homing Soulmass projectiles in Dark Souls, for example. Most likely what Brajan said though.
The attire had a weight ratio on it unlike the final game.
I believe there actually was a small hidden effect with weight in the game that got patched out earlier on.
There was. The little lamp added to your weight and slowed stamina recovery until they patched it. There is also still a way to BLOCK in the game will large 2 handed transformed weapons; leftover from dark souls mechanics
Even the devs were calling echoes “Souls.” LUL.
Sleepless Specter From looking at the UI, it seems they used a version of DS2 UI for Bloodborne early on, hence why they hid the inventory menu from the alpha
and?
@@8304u Comment was made 3 years ago, psychopath.
I think one of their early concepts was to have the character slowly turn into a beast just like your character slowly turns hollow in Dark Souls 3 the more you die.
My guess is that the character would get a more beastly look the more he got bathed in blood.
Definitely think Fresh Livers were a missed opportunity, having a bit more lore would have been great.
it's really fascinating to learn about the original names for some of the bosses. it makes it seem like the story might have been a looooot different at the start!
I recommend you look for "Eduardo Pratti"'s comment, it's a very interesting take of what might've been the original story.
where is his comment at?
Has there been any luck finding that comment?
Unfortunately not, I looked through my comment history and everything and I couldn't find it. Not only that but the comment was far too long for me to be able to relay what I remember from when I read it.
Alister Izunia
Unfortunate. If it’s become that hard to find the it must’ve been deleted
Kos, fallen child of the moon???
Knights of the Nine Yeah that raised an eyebrow here. Makes a little bit of sense though
Kos probably refers to what we know of Ebrietas due to so much confusion between who is doing what to Ebrietas in the final game. It would explain some stuff with Micholash.
There was going to be a mechanic where players could get infected and become beasts. Effectively becoming a mini boss
@@toojungtodie1898 Why is the person who named who a genius?
These livers got me thinking thinky thoughts. Visceral attacks have always seemed weird. Its standard for a Souls game to feature a riposte but in Bloodborne, why are we attacking with our bare hands instead of with our equipped weapon? Visceral attacks are, in mere passing, described as a dark Hunter technique in the Clawmark Rune. Ok. But what are we doing exactly with this attack? And what's with our hand in the aftermath? Maybe, originally, we were plunging our claw-like, beastly hand into our enemies trunk and ripping out their liver? Maybe we even held it in our hand, which would explain why our stance post-attack is perfect for the camera to see a bloody liver? With the word "Visceral" meaning "internal organs", this Dark Hunter Technique could literally have been an organ attack that removes the liver. Is there anything (takes a deep breath) in the code that hints at an unused asset associated with the Visceral attack animation? Maybe an .obj of a bloody liver laying about?
Them Dark Souls sound effects
I think most of those post-boss liver items became Hunter Tools. The Deflect one became Beast Roar, and the useless meteorite became the nuke known as A Call Beyond.
Yeah it's common sense if you USED them, but it seems like a lot of people never tried them out in combat. Beast Roar is actually FORCE from dark souls; does deflect bullets/arrows/some magic.
I find it so interesting how seemingly all of the Soulsborne games (or at the very least, DS3, BB and Sekiro) are very much built on the same core framework. I mean, it’s by no means surprising, but their shared debug system, and how so much of it seems to be left over in each game, is quite cool.
So wait the amygdala are “incomplete”?
Huh. You know theres statues of the little baby things that look like they’re turning into amygdalas, right?
Maybe the choir was MAKING amygdala?
Incomplete False God = The One Reborn. Internally, The One Reborn is called "Half Baked Devil", which in hindsight is how I probably should have translated this item too.
Lance McDonald
Oh okay.
I always thought that garden of eyes is a failed attempt to transform into Amygdala
I reckon the amygdalas are the pthumerian blood children
You never fail to amaze, Lance. Keep up the awesome work.
Therianthropy is the ability to shapeshift into animals, much like how the beasts in Bloodborne become like werewolves, so I think that the beast blood potion was related to the beasthood system in the game.
edit: I misheard what you said! You said it's some sort of beasthood thing already. Whoops. But, yeah, I have no real insight on what this system is supposed to do, but it's interesting that it seems like it's an older form of a beast blood pellet.
Am I the only one who finds it super weird they removed the little flourish above the healthbar from the alpha test? What a strange thing to remove.
Darn it, lance. We just recorded a cut content thing on the MP... looks like we have to do it again.
Great vid btw XD
ahhahahha
Richie was literally like "yeah lance didnt make a video on these things yet, but" 2 days later lance makes a vid XD
Ayyyy
daaaan!!!
A little bit of liver speculation:
Because of a lack of a liver for Ebrietas, and the Augur being the Augur of Kos instead of Ebrietas, and Ebrietas's model appearing in early alpha footage, I imagine that that Great One was Kos in the original build.
Strange that there's no liver for Gerhman or the Moon Presence. Maybe they didn't play a large role in the final product? This is a demo build of the alpha version, so their livers just might not have been implemented yet but it's just food for thought.
Interesting that Mergo's Wet Nurse is called a "Succubus" internally. Because they are dream demons. Nothing really speculative here, just an observation.
I wonder if the order of the livers have any significance? If so, it's interesting that Saint Laura is near the end.
Lastly, and least of all, there's probably meant to be a massive blood splatter effect with the livers. The animation has the hunter hold it above his head and smash it and the 'souls' flow into him ala Dark Souls. Probably this is a placeholder effect until blood splatters and echo physics could be implemented.
I actually like the look of the alpha versions HUD and Menus more then the final games.
looks like blood management was a much bigger part of the game
Amazing that this version was only 6 months from release! They polished it up a lot and did a lot of work in those 6 months. Bloody hell! Interesting to see how much was there in the alpha though. Good to see some insight into the games creation. Thanks for these videos.
Wow this video must have taken forever to make! I loved the whole thing, please keep the videos coming!
Beautiful video! I love your videos, I'm so happy we get an inside peak at was originally in the game!
is there a way you can enable the kick attack that was shown in the demo and thanks for your great videos
This game keeps on giving.
Awesome work as usual, Lance! Always looking forward to what new insights you'll dig up!
This channel has so many eyes on the inside, love your work!
Amazing stuff as usual
Always happy to see these videos pop up
I am truly amazed that you're able to do this stuff! It's so awesome seeing the cut content of my favorite game of all time! Keep up the amazing work mate!
Put your grasses on
There's no glasses in the alpha :( :( :(
nothing will be wrong
Alterpexsis IT'S UP TO YOU
Even mother will show you another way
This has a few interesting little tidbits to think about, but I think what many of the community would like to see is a clipped camera view of what, if anything, is actually beneath the infamous Byrgenwerth trapdoor. An unused area? A shortcut to an existing area? A muddled mess of half completed textures, or perhaps an as yet undiscovered enemy or npc? Theories persist, but there’s only one way to find out. Lend us your eyes on the inside, Sir Lance.
Lance has already mentioned what's below the trapdoor and showed it on his streams.
There's nothing.
Eduardo Pratti I was unaware of this! Please sir, is there a link to this footage anywhere? Just once I’d like to see it with my own eyes:(
Balaam _ Unfortunately, Lance doesn't save his streams as VODs on Twitch. His channel is Lance McDonald there too.
But in the footage, it shows how there are only textures on the top portion of the Byrgenwerth building. Looking up when below the trapdoor will show a few assets floating in space and nothing else.
Eduardo Pratti thank you for the description, it’s provided some closure on this for me. It would have been nice to find a partially coded chalice dungeon or something, but at least I have something of an answer at this point. I was so frustrated when boundary break failed to even touch on this subject.
I...I spent most of yesterday with CZcams open. CZcams knows I watch all of your videos the instant I see them.
Why must I wait a full day before I can know of your work?
holy cow! good job!! your mind must have melted when you found all of this stuff. its crazy how so many things can be discovered thanks to the menu
I think blood borne is very affected from Cthulhu mythology trpg.
1:24 "SAN値ショップ" mean "Sanity point shop" in English.But in Japanese Final version, it is named "啓蒙ショップ" mean "Insight shop".
Well, Insight is pretty much (in)Sanity Points, right? You gain Insight from seeing things that don't/can't make sense. The higher the Insight the more crazy things you've seen and the crazier you are.
To be that guy, can you translate the rest of that menu?
Holy moly I really hope there’s more, really cool in lots of different ways.
SO COOL! Thanks so much for your hard work, and thanks for sharing! Every detail we get about this fascinating game is a treasure :)
Insight +99
It would be hilarious to find out you can't read a word of Japanese and have just been messing with us this whole time. Love the vids man
It would be interesting to access the In-game debug menu... How did you do that.
I sorta like the idea of fresh/living livers because the game talks about being "blooddrunk" a lot
Beyond cool work you're doing here
Can you figure out if it is possible to use simple melee weapons of simple mobs, like rakes or a greatsword from the chalice enemy? Thing I really miss in bloodborne is an ability to use non trick weapons
They had cut out so much of the content that could have been so interesting, i can't.
"The Blood Echo count actually being called Souls here...." Shared Continuity Confirmed!
Frigging love these videos. I sincerely appreciate all the hard work you and community have continued to pour into this game.
I really enjoyed this no nonsense show off of early item names and animations, one might think it's an "uninteresting" prompt but plain Core stuff taste very good too!
I know this is late. But is there a hex code for the fowl pill or a fresh liver for ps4 save wizard??
I enjoy all of these behind the curtains content! Keep it up!
Thank you once more for showing us all this unused and interesting Bloodborne content.
1:00 cool character man
Been having ideas of what some boss weapons/runes/tools could have been. Kinda sucks that their wasn’t a boss soul exchange system in the main game it breaks my heart
Always amazing work. Thank you for showing all the interesting things you find.
Praise the good blood! Always exciting when a new video is posted.
amazing work!
Speculation:
Moon’s Messenger is probably Gerhman or someone similar.
Kos, Fallen Child of the Moon is probably the Moon Presence (Moon Presence falls from the moon).
That said, evidence against is that Moon Presence is called Inherit the Nightmare internally
What's that kanji before "souls" (ソウル) in the menu?
所持ソウル
"Souls in possession"
I think that the game would have been so much darker and scarier if left with all the alpha stuff
Awesome showing. Can't wait for the next one.
Will you be doing the key items? Or does debug only add all consumables
Chronicler J I could read out the names of all key items and outfit names but it was going to be really boring for video so I didn’t do it. I might save those for another video where I have move interesting stuff to couple with them.
The key items alone would draw me in to watch a video.
ok it may sound stupid, but what if you dropped in the hunter's dream file then tried to use the chair? The scripting might not be there and it might be a bit buggy but it could be cool to try.
Lance, your videos are absolutely great. Keep up the good work, m8.
I've got one question and maybe someone will be able to answer. How/why do the devs leave unused content in the game files? I mean, since it's unused, it shouldn't be in the code/files either, right?
I know I'm 3 years late, but the answer is that it's simply just much easier and safer to render the content unaccessible than it is to remove it - who knows what you'll break when you delete stuff.
Lance how i can activate the debug mode? Please answer me
i dunno if its just youtube compression hiding them, but the alpha seems to have far less jaggies/aliasing than the final product. its a shame cause graphically it looked a lot better to me.
It defenitely does a much better job in terms of atmosphere. Yharnam feels much more mysterious in the alpha.
Lance you blow my mind every time.
man bloodborne boss weapons would have been great, especially if they were actual mutations similer to the beastclaw rather then proper weapons
A few bosses already give they’re weapons
So lets see here. Kos dead on the beach> Orphan afflicted and parasite bound> Moon Presence overtaken by parasite>Moon Presence cut form> One Reborn(a ritual to summon Kos bringing an amalgam of dead Kos and dead Orphan). All of this linked within the poor bastard Gherman.
With this latest title of Kos methinks the moon is her true corpse, and the Moon Presence refers to the parasite jumping ship upon her orphan, slowly overtaking it while looking for a new host.
Super interesting stuff! I love these videos!
The idea of "boss livers" is very interesting to me. Makes me wonder if they had, at some point, considered putting in a "liver transmutation" system to make it possible to get boss weapons. It appears to not exist at all in the alpha or final versions of the game, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist, or wasn't considered seriously at some point during development. Either way, really cool stuff.
Honestly, I doubt it. That's probably the reason they cut boss souls in the first place.
Dude, the stalker looks awesome! They should have kept that, along with the animation for the Old Hunters Bone movement.
This is so cool! I think more people are starved for Bloodborne content than you think. In the Alpha version, can you travel into later areas of the game, past Gascoigne? I feel like you explained that in one of your videos, but I would just like to know if there's any other avenue of pulling cut content out of the game than just what was in the Alpha. Good job, keep it up!
Great work Lance :D
lance you absolute legend
This video was very interesting just like the rest but a little more intriguing
Lol that even FromSoft were calling blood echoes souls at one point.
P.s. I would be entertained with even the most inconsequential minutia from this game. Keep it up.
This is really interesting... After 3 years the game still showing more cut content.
The magic looks interesting.
I have a question. Have you ever managed to find a way to alter the AR damage values? Either on weapons or on the character?
Interesting that "reflective light wall" was re-used in Dark Souls 3 as "reflective wall of light" with a similar effect.
Can the debug menu be accessed in the Goty or 1.0 versions of the game??? Can you make a video showing how?
9:10 wait who's the guy sitting there? The hunter?
Kinda late on the draw, and someone may have mentioned all the things I'm saying, but I like jotting down my thoughts about your findings. Kinda like the Notebook in a way I guess.
One thing I was curious about was when you put your Blood Vials in the quick access thing, and it let you do the same for Quicksilver Bullets (even though you didn't.) I wonder what happens if you put them there, and if you can, what happens when you use them.
When you mentioned that Blood Echoes were called Souls back in the alpha, I got to thinking that perhaps Bloodborne was built off of Dark Souls more than what we already know. Perhaps the "Magic" section is a carryover from the Souls games, with the reason you can (potentially) change it in the menu likely being debug stuff.
Interestingly, the animation for using the Fresh Livers looks very similar to the animation used for "breaking" bloodgems such as the Red Jeweled Brooch and the Tear Stone, although obviously angled differently.
The Fresh Liver for Micolash being referred to as "Fresh Liver of Micolash's Cast-Off Shell" is very interesting in the context of the game's lore as well. Were we originally supposed to fight Micolash, or perhaps simply his body, outside of a nightmare world? Or, assuming this can still be considered canon, is the Micolash we fight not the "true" Micolash, but possibly his former body, a recreation of him, or possibly even a split twin of him (something like Mary and Maria in Silent Hill 2)? It's also strange that he's fought so early on, before even Rom, here. Maybe Micolash and Master Willem were supposed to be the same, considering the state you find Willem in the full game? It would make "Cast-off shell" and "The university professor" make more sense.
Assuming that the levels are structured in the same order, and "Incomplete False God" is supposed to be The One Reborn, Saint Laura (who is likely Vicar Amelia) would have been fought in the Nightmare of Mensis as well, which has very interesting connotations.
Given the function and name of Augur of Kos (some say Gos), it seems like early on Kos and Ebrietas had their names switched. Given how one of the Fresh Livers belongs to Kos (in this case the original Ebrietas), and Ebrietas was said to be left behind by the Great Ones, this makes a lot of sense. But if so, that makes "Ebrietas's Inheritor" - in this case, we can assume it'd be Kos's Inheritor in the full game if the boss stayed - a VERY interesting concept. I can only think of the Orphan of Kos as an inheritor for Kos. But does this mean that the Orphan would have been in the base game?
Rage of Kos seems to operate like the Blacksky Eye (another DLC relation, oddly), given both the animation as well as how the projectile seems to be the same aside from going in completely the wrong direction. Reflective Light Wall, meanwhile, seems to just be an early version of Beast Roar.
And wow, I overanalyzed the hell out of this. But this is a very interesting video and there's a lot to cover. Once again, awesome video, Lance, and I can't wait for what's next.
Some info to add for your thoughts:
You can put bullets in your shortcuts, but when you press Square to use then, the character does the default *shrug*.
Blood Echoes are called Souls in the alpha because Bloodborne was originally a direct sequel to Demon's Souls, so this was likely carried over from that until quite late in development.
"Micolash's Cast-off Shell" is Willem's official internal name. I think its a reference to the fact that Micolash was originally Willem's student before Micolash "cast off" his teachings and left. Willem was a boss you fought at Byrgenwerth Lecture Hall in an earlier draft of the game.
Nightmare of Mensis didn't exist in this alpha, it was a location called "Trap Road" and it had an entirely different boss, internally just called "Trap Road Boss", which has been completely deleted. No idea why Saint Laura was such a late boss or what role she played.
Okay, that helps a lot, lol. Bloodborne being a sequel to Demon's Souls originally also explains the magic since...well, there was magic in Demon's Souls. And thanks, now I've learned even more today than before.
Lance McDonald Hold on, it gets confusing even by Bloodborne standarts. When you say "in the earlier draft of the game Willem was a boss you fought in Byrgenwerth Lecture Hall" do you mean an NPC named Willem or the model whom we know as Willem, but who was originally Micolash? If it's the latter, it's very weird. There was that one dialogue from the earlier draft - Hello, I'm Micolash, local pope, ty for having Norbert rekt, now get off to the Byrgenwerth. It feels weird to me to have him as a boss in Byrgenwerth…
11:53 I think the double accelerator looks batther than the old hunter bone in the base game.
I would like it if you had read the extra chalice boss souls too.
I personally would have liked it better if they kept the livers more than I like all those blood clots. It could have gone from clots to kidneys as if you were get purer blood, and then hearts for the bosses. I really felt like this game could have used boss weapons. It had very little weapon variety, although I will admit all of them are very creative.
All of those findings are very interesting. Beta content always makes it seem like the games were going to be wildly different.
I think the variety is great. There just aren't multiple similar weapons with slightly different movesets like in Dark Souls.
I agree with that. I like all we got, and I like there aren't repeats. But I do think we could have had a few more.
Thank you Lance, very cool
Nice. It seems you've showcased all there is to find in terms of player spells.
Ah hunter of the nightmare, seek seek lest.
Porting the shaders from the alpha to the full game would be a dream come true
Do you mind putting the "other" chalice dungeon boss livers in the description/ separate video? These titles and descriptions are extremely interesting
Thank you so much, this is really interesting to me
I love these videos.
You're great, 'nuff said
Cool video!
keep good work c: