Mormonism & Its Troubling Beliefs
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Episode #448
I was born and raised a Mormon. I am thankful for God showing me the truth.
asking (i'm a christian who's randomly put in the path of mormons; always clueless what to say) what would be one thing as a former mormon-now christian, that you might suggest saying TO a mormon that would be specifically striking? i appreciate it (dont know if you'll answer/even see this comment)
@@lucypevensie6284 Hi Gracie, the first thing is to remember that the Lord is the one who opens the eyes and ears to his truth. While a Mormon I remember being very ‘protective’ of the church, despite any doubts I had. So one comment won’t work to reach them. However if in a conversation you could ask questions then point out the differences that might work. Mormons today really try to act as though they share the exact beliefs of a follower of Jesus but their are major differences. Example they do not believe in the trinity. You might ask, did Joseph Smith say he saw and talked to God and Jesus both and they appeared to him? Then you could say, interesting and confusing, the Bible states God is spirit and doesn’t have a body. Again, pray about what to say. They believe they have to be good enough to get to certain levels in heaven. And that no one goes to hell but sons of perdition. So that is also a contradiction to the Bible. Hope this helps some. God bless.
When you talked to Jesus what did he day?
@Lucy Pevensie just state your opinion and say the Bible says it. That's what every other Evangelical does when talking to us.
Amen. Praise God 🙏
I was raised in, and still live in a LDS dominated area in south-east Idaho. In my youth I never believed in anything they taught us even though I was a scout, which in that time was run by the LDS church and was even baptized when I was 8.
When I was 17 I was taken to a Christian Bible study by my high school sweetheart and her family. I was instantly drawn to it and have been a born-again-believer ever since. I still use that same Bible to this day was given to me by them.
You can't fake the Truth, you can't fake the Spirit of the Living God!
Jesus Christ is Lord!
You are so right on them blending in. I’m 54 and what I was taught when growing up isn’t what they say right now. I’m so passionate about this. I have so many family and friends in Utah that are Mormons but they don’t listen to me. 😭
Continue to pray for them. Some Mormons that were family by marriage that I never thought would leave, did. And came to Christianity. The Holy Spirit is so powerful! The power of prayer is as well!
They don't have to listen to you. You are not Jesus. Maybe Evangelicals can learn to lay off with the whole "Jesus alone saves you" rhetoric when in your hearts we Mormons are supposed to depend on your interpretation of Jesus in order to be truly saved.
This is so true, the moment I was born again I am a different creature. I hate sin and seek the righteousness of God. But seriously I can’t believe the changes the lord has gave me. Praise him
Praise the Lord!!!
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man co-meth unto the Father except through me......"
Jesus has always worked through prophets.
@@robertrosskopf4641 Jesus is the final prophet. Hebrews 1
Luke 16:16 The prophets were until John.
@@strongtower9237 That just isn't true, and if you know the bible, then you know it isn't true. John the Revelator tells us that there will be two prophets murdered on the streets of Jerusalem, just prior to the return of the Lord. After three days, they will resurrect.
There were also prophets in the Lord's church. The church was built on prophets and apostles.
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Ephesians 4:11-16)
"The law and the prophets" refers to the books of the Old Testament. The "law" was the five books of Moses. The "prophets" are the books that followed. The scripture you are quoting (Luke 16:16) was Jesus talking to the Pharisees. None of the New Testament had been written yet. It is not a statement about the Lord's use of prophets, and it is not a statement about future books.
Hebrews 1 is accurate. While Jesus was alive, and for 40 days after his resurrection, God spoke to people through his son. Jesus is not currently with us for he has yet to return and prophets are once again necessary to communicate with God.
@@robertrosskopf4641 As you have noted, in the Bible apostles have a higher rank than prophets. Why didn't the LDS church get that much right?
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
The LDS prophets mock Christ and say he is the brother of Lucifer.
They are false prophets.
@@fayelewis5476 I've always wondered about that. Why did apostles get first billing? Technically, all the apostles in our church are set apart as prophets, seers, and revelators. I don't know what the differences are. The modern church isn't exactly like the ancient church.
I suspect that Jesus can do it any way he prefers. I am confident that he is the one that leads his church.
We would never mock our savior.
It isn't mocking Jesus to believe in the Bible. It teaches in the book of Job that Satan is a son of God. Abel was righteous and Cain was not. Siblings are individuals. It happens. You don't think we should believe in the bible?
All of the other churches are led by false prophets, ie. men who claim authority but have none. I know without any doubt that the LDS church has real authority from God. I have cast out devils and healed the sick myself.
You guys are SUCH an encouragement. Thank you!
Amen! I wholly support the truth you give. Your ministry is phenomenal; thank you, what a blessing! 🦋
This is very helpful as I am inviting a couple of young missionaries into my home to have dinner with us and speak with them. This is very special knowledge to me and will help me to share the true good news to them.
I was raised Mormon. So thankful God has shown me the truth. Thanks to your ministry and many others who have shown me the falsness of Mormonism.
So was it God who showed you the fastness of Mormonism or people like the one's making this video. Because your statement says God but then you thank others. Maybe you worship people?
I was a Mormon. They worship their church not Jesus .
Nicole lovesjesus Well I've been a member for 52yrs so far, and my religion teaches me that it is only in and through Christ that we can be saved. I often wonder how many of the critics have actually read the Book of Mormon or just trusted a man like Ray. There are good people throughout the world teaching false doctrine not realizing that they're leading people from the whole truth.
You do not have the right Jesus.
The LDS 'Jesus' was the product of an incestuous relationship between God and his daughter Mary. 'Heavenly father' also had sex with another woman to create Lucifer making Jesus and Satan half brothers, unless it was Mary again. Even atheists have better morals than your LDS 'heavenly father.'
-Joseph Smith taught that God had sex with Mary...
"President Young spoke of the first organization of this school by Joseph Smith the Prophet. The Word of Wisdom was given in this school. President Young said Adam was Michael the arch angel and he was the father of Jesus Christ and was our God and that Joseph taught this principle." Wilford Woodruff Journal, Vol.4, p.288, September 17, 1854
-Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband...
"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 11:268
-He was actually, literally, biologically the Son of God...
"Jesus Christ was willing to make payment because of his great love for mankind, and he was able to make payment because he lived a sinless life and because he was actually, literally, biologically the Son of God in the flesh." Messages for Exaltation, pp.378-379
-Adam was the father of Jesus...
"Another meeting this evening. President B. Young taught that Adam was the Father of Jesus and the only God to us." Diary of Hosea Stout, April 9, 1852, vol. 2. p. 435
-God as the literal father of the human family...
"Latter-day revelation confirms the biblical account of God as the literal father of the human family." Bible Dictionary back of the Book of Mormon, under the heading God, 1990 printing, p.682
I should not even have to copy and paste such vile, obscene blasphemies spoken by mere men. The fact that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young would mock God, Jesus Christ and Mary speaks for itself.
President Hinckley said you have a different 'Jesus.'
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
Jesus said, "Follow Me."
naya. It is true that many critics dismiss the BOM without reading it. Some say that there is no truth in it, but that would be to deny the great amount of Bible truth that is to be found in it. It is certainly possible to find in it the call to faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice and resurrection. If any other parts of the LDS system might be criticized, it cannot be denied that LDS people can have a genuine love of Jesus. Christians would, however, say that they do not realize that Father, Son and Holy Ghost constitute the only everlasting uncreated God. Any other "gods" are merely creatures to whom the uncreated God gives the privilege of sharing some of His power and authority, by a sharing in His goodness. They remain creatures, whereas God is the sole Creator.
anselman Thx for your comments.
When this life is all over and we're on the other side whatever our loving Father imparts to us of His goodness, power and authority we will for all eternity be subordinate to Him and will never be equal to Him, but be fortunate to share of all His goodness, glory and power.
naya. We have a wonderful future to look forward to, thanks to our Father's benevolence. The essential distinction between us and Heavenly Father is that He is uncreated, and we are His beloved creatures, whom He calls in His love to become like Him. God guide you on your walk.
Why did it take 8:00 minutes to finally get to mormon doctrine?
It didn't ever get to LDS doctrine, only their twisted view of it. And I generally like them. I just parse out things they say that make sense with things that are off- based.
8905kris they have fun lol
8905kris LDS is a cult. They teach that man can become a God!
As I was saying first they trash a religion throw in the catholics and hint at a few others mix it up, throw it against the wall and see what sticks. Blending ALL religions and beating them all with the same stick. But that 2nd guys voice is nails on a chalkboard anyway
@@maryahcushing5711 the Mormons called Jesus Christ the brother of Satan. If that sits well with you. You better repent.
LOL @ the slide in 0:55 . love you guys! thank you!!!
What a great way to open someone's eyes.... the comment about the paycheck and boasting.
Awesome video
once again a great video :)
You are absolutely right! You can say that again.
The conversation really starts at abt 8 minutes in.
Yes, that would be nice. The most troubling thing I've found about Christianity is how the validity of its precepts, concepts and principles apply to my life showing me how much trouble I'd be in had I not responded rightly to the gospel by repenting of my sin and putting my faith in Jesus alone for my salvation.
Grace is the result of mercy
Those MICROPHONES! You can hear every slurp! (Maybe lapel mics would be better.) ;) God bless you guys!
I would like to add to my last comment a thank you for your expositions of Scripture, and for all these videos on cults, your ministry has been very helpful to me, and has made a huge difference in my evangelism!
The question for Mormons would be what happened to Joseph Smith? This has been a question for me for a long time. I had an issue with Mormons when I was in High School and I was baptized into the Mormon church. This continued to bother me so I wanted to ask the question. Thanks
@ keld0n84
What do you find troubling about Christian beliefs?
Start at 8:00
hello ray or anyone from the team...i have friends who dont speak english and live here in Peru, do you in sale the spanish version of the evidence bible?
FYI: in Acts 11:26 it says that the first people that were called Christians was in Antioch.
I’m just saying because a lot of people say that the Christians derivatives from the catholic church
Get behind me Satan! Your false Catholic religion has no power here over the true church of GOD the body of Christ not the pope and His black mass.
Those that broke off from the Catholic Christians followed Martin Luther an antisemitic and were then call PROTEST-ANTS for Protesting the Pope. They then broke off from Luther as others protesting different aspects such as the 101 various strains of Baptist etc
By the "saved by Christ" you're quoting out of context
So Get behind me Satan
Nice to sound self righteous tho didn't it?
Christ- ians was a word used to mean those that followed the Christ which meant Messiah. So those that believed Jesus was the Christ was termed a Christian. Its when they made war on each other and they divided themselves along political lines (like now) following different leaders that Christianity itself was pulled apart at the seams. Exactly what Jesus didn't want to happen! But look around.....
So sad.
"Saved" sure sounds pretty hateful and self righteous to me, not to mention he's liable to fall off his hate mongering pedestal! LOL
A question: Can a Mormon be a Mormon and be saved? That is, could one continue in the Church of LDS post-rebirth...? Thoughts, anyone?
Nikky Weston, I know you posted this comment 5 years ago and you may not see this reply, but the short answer is no. The beliefs of the Mormon church are so different from what the Bible teaches, and the ceremonies that are practiced in the temple are false. Jesus is God, not Lucifer’s brother.
Rachel G My question to EVERY individual that is critical of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is this, are these your own ideas or you trusting anothers opinion? Also have you ever read the Book of Mormon?
Acts5:38-39 we recieve great council from Gamaliel, check it out. Do you know any Mormons and are they evil? By their fruits ye shall know them.
@@naya9305 Alot of nice people are going to hell. Mormon heresies are known worldwide.. We know them by the writings written by MORMONS! It is no secret that the god you worship is not the God of the scriptures. Your doctrines are all heresies and you are all accursed unless you repent! That is the sad plain truth. It is written if even an angel being another gospel he is accursed.
Anyone in any church can be saved by the grace of God but usually after one is born again and actually reading Gods word themselves they will eventually leave the church on their own because they become so convinced by the word about the truth, and too convicted to continue following and listening to things contrary.
The way of the master...Luke 9:49-50.
At around the 19:00 minute mark he is talking about not having a threat to our salvation. I am not nitpicking, but I want to be clear, or rather am asking you to clarify your position, on what you believe and teach concerning the security of the believer when they are truly born again? I ask because I have the fear that possibly this is teaching eternal security.
There is nothing to fear.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
Unable to watch this video at 1.25 speed. Others speak at normal speed, but Ray starts speaking at 1.5 speed already.
I miss him with the mustache only! :)
RAYYYYYY.....WE WOULD LOVE IF YOU COME TO SHARE HERE IN PERU???
I agree guys. C S Lewis was an intellectual and people loved him including the people of the world (which Jesus warned us about) He regularly got drunk with his students didn't believe in many books in the bible, didn't believe in the atonement, heavily promoted paganism which he loved as well as many other things. Love the way Ray uses the law to prepare the heart for the gospel message of grace and also love his zeal for the great commission. I am definitely not a Ray Comfort Basher.
At least you didn’t say the usual conspiracy theories about Mormons. However, we believe in the same Christ you do.My life revolves around Christ and his sacrifice for us. Worry about your relationship with God and not deciding who is a “true Christian” or not.
Only the true Jesus can save. It would be deceitful to not tell the truth.
Was my baptism in LDS church fake or I sure to do again?
It was fake because you were baptized in the name of an 'exalted man' from another planet, the brother of Satan, (The LDS 'Christ.'), and the Holy Ghost.
Christians are baptized in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost . (The triune God.)
God bless you!
@@Elizabeth-rk3do ... Thank you very much!! 😘
@Linda Kreutzer You're welcome. Just the fact that you question your baptism says it all. It will give you peace of mind to have it done in the 'trinitarian formula.' God will be pleased as well. 💕 ✝️ 🕊 🌹
Christ died for everyone whether they wanted him to or not. But by him during they have an opportunity to except his gift. Same with baptism for the dead it gives those who never had the chance to get to heaven even though they for whatever reason never got baptised.
Jesus said baptism does not save.
Baptism for the dead is a pagan ritual.
"It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment."
No second chances.
CS Lewis was a wicked Heretic. It is true that there are many good things that he said, but he also spoke of praying to a false god, believed in universalism, and denied penal substitutionary atonement. It saddens me to see true Christians quoting him, but I really love you guys and I'm only sharing this because I know you guys to be true Christians.
Mormon beliefs are simply all over the place.
Most of the major beliefs can be found in early Christianity. The bigger question is why do beliefs go out of style like fashions?
Not works = not even waterworks? Dang
Could you do a video on Masons?
The Freemasonry is not satanic
When Paul denounced works. The works he denounced were rituals of The Law of Moses not all commandments. In more than one place The Bible calls for baptism. Why?
I wept when the Lord showed me this and I now agree with Leonard Ravenhill. If the Holy Spirit turned up in most of the Churches of today there would be a stampede for the door.
I know there is a remnant out there and the Lord is refining them and I believe we will see a real revival which is what we desperately need. When something is on the break of death the only hope is that it gets revived and today so many churches are in a state of spiritual pralysis.
But the distinction at the beginning wasn't to say that we weren't Christians, but essentially that your hermenutics were incorrect. Which is the same distinction today. But maybe we were wrong.
Christians do not worship a god that was once a man, came from another planet and is out sleeping with other women. They also do not deny Christ and say He is a created being.
Mormonism and Christianity have little in common.
@@sunnyfarmer7722 When you worship the wrong God and believe in the wrong Christ you have no chance of ever getting into heaven. None.
@@sunnyfarmer7722 What did Christ say about the LDS church?
Rev. 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev. 3:9 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
@@jlewis8145 So who is worshiping the wrong God? Christians or Mormons. We will have to wait till judgement day to find out.
read Schnoebelen's article on him. Google:
Republican Mitt Romney and the "Mormon Plan for America"
I agree. I love how Christians try to act like other religions are so out there and unbelievable. I love this stuff.
There was only one Christian and he died on a cross.
Mira Long if you are talking about Jesus you forgot to mention that He lives and sits besides the Fathers throne. Even the rocks worship him!
Mormons even have their own special underwear. Purpose: To protect them against temptation and evil. ..Sounds like superman underwear in Kryptonite form.
It is richly symbolic. Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone clothed themselves in righteousness?
@@robertrosskopf4641 You are not clothed in righteousness.
When Lucifer appears in the Mormon temple ceremony he is wearing an apron. When Adam asks him about it Lucifer boldly replies: “It is an emblem of my power and Priesthoods” (25:15). So, there is no ambiguity here-the apron has nothing to do with God; it is an emblem of Satan’s power and priesthoods. A few minutes later, when they hear God coming, Lucifer tells Adam and Eve to make themselves aprons and hide (25:45).
Adam replies, “Come, let us hide,” and at that point in the ceremony everyone is told to put on their aprons. And they do. So, for the rest of the ritual, on top of their temple undergarments with the masonic-type markings, and on top of their white temple clothes, temple patrons wear a dark green apron-in obedience to Lucifer and symbolizing his power and priesthoods.
This stands in stark contrast to what happens in the Bible: God removes the fig-leaf coverings that Adam and Eve make and replaces them with animal skins He provides. This foreshadows and represents the covering for sins provided by Jesus when he was slain on the cross as the Lamb of God (see John 1:29; Hebrews 9:22).
@@strongtower9237
We don't wear the same apron. The aprons that we wear represent something else entirely. Satan doesn't wear the temple robes. His priesthood is his own.
@@robertrosskopf4641 You are wearing Satan's power and priesthood. That is why you have been blinded to the truth.
@@strongtower9237
Do a freemason video!
Tolkin was aware through his heavy involvement in the occult and through his books he had been used to bring much darkness into the world. He new it was very powerful and he had no control over it which cause him great concern. He was a deceived lost man who must of thought like many people that you can muck around with the occult. It got totally out of control causing him great fear. Tolkin and Lewis were close friends and had very similar beliefs.
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16), the key words being belief and baptized not belief alone.
"21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" *1 Peter 3:21)
See that? Peter says baptism does save us
As for baptism for the dead it's found in 1 Corinthians 15:29 but Evangelicals rather than accepting Biblical Christianity prefer to alter the meaning of baptism for the dead and pretend for no real reason that Paul is picking out some pagan practices to win arguments towards the doctrine of the Resurrection as if that makes any sense.
It's amazing how Ray is playing the word game as if "they" was not possibly associated with Christians.
"17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)
"They" is referring to all true Christians, including the Apostles he was speaking to.
You guys claim the Bible has the final word and yet you chopped it up and put your false interpretation ahead of the written word. Baptism for the dead is mentioned once, so how many times does a doctrine have to be mentioned in the Bible to officially be "Biblically"
I clicked the button, expecting to see some serious information, concerning Mormonism & Christianity. All I got was some clowns... I'm gone...
Hey brother I know near the end of the video u tested his spirit so he can understand the scripture better but u still lied just boldly say what the scripture say cuz tht will only plant bad seeds in there conscious even tho u corrected it I still don’t think it’s right to lie about scripture
I know this was years ago but ppl still watch this like me I just watched it right now God bless you and thank you 🙏❤️
Endless geneologies is almost certainly a reference to the Jews self justification as children of Abraham. Jesus taught that God could raise up seed to Abraham from stones. That is basically, what the Latter Day Saints are trying to do, raise up seed to Abraham out of the Gentiles. Baptism adopts one into the House of Israel.
"Else what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?"
- 1st Corinthians 15:29
Baptism for the dead was an early Christian practice. Paul wasn't trying to show the validity of the resurrection by pointing to a pagan practice, but a practice among Christians. Jesus came not only to save the living, but the dead. "Christ died and rose again for this very purpose-to be Lord both of the living and of the dead." - Romans 14:9
Baptism doesn't save anyone.
1 Corinthians 15:29: “Otherwise, what will THEY do, those being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not at all raised, why indeed are THEY baptized on behalf of the dead?”
By comparing it with the rest of Scripture it does not mean that a dead person can be saved by someone else being baptized on his or her behalf, because baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place (Ephesians 2:8; Romans 3:28; 4:3; 6:3-4).
The entire passage (vv. 12-29) is about the surety of the resurrection, not about baptism for the dead.
The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died-and if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this?
Either Paul is referring to a pagan custom (notice he uses "they," not "we"), or to a superstitious and unscriptural practice in the Corinthian church of vicarious baptism for believers who died before being baptized.
Either way, he certainly does not approve of the practice; he merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place?
The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural nor sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn’t change a person’s eternal destiny, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26).
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Even the Book of Mormon tells you there are no second chances and that death seals a man's fate.
Mosiah 2:36-39
Alma 34:32-35
The Book of Mormon says the heathen are saved without baptism.
Moroni 8:22-23
2 Nephi 9:25-26
Mosiah 15:24-27
What did Christ say about the LDS church?
Rev. 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev. 3:9 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
@@jlewis8145 That is such a weak argument! One has to believe that Paul is using a pagan custom to prove the resurrection! The Corinthians were Greeks. Since when did any Greek traditions involve baptism? So now we have to believe that Paul is talking about something that the Greeks and never heard of, that is false, to promote the resurrection. Wouldn't it be more logical to just concede that Jesus was sent to save both the living and the dead? Worse is the idea that God is giving us busywork that has nothing to do with salvation. There is no argument at all that early Christians were baptized. So now we have to believe it as all in vain? Why even be a Christian, if you don't need any of the Christian ordinances of the gospel?
This is what happens when people go to great lengths to ignore the truth. They come up with convoluted theories that support their preconceived ideas. Next they will be telling us how Joseph Smith stole the Book of Mormon from a whole host of other books, both fiction and non fiction, without anyone in his family ever seeing his amazing library.
@@jlewis8145
Where does it say that Jesus was referring to his own church? The Church of Jesus Christ?
@@robertrosskopf4641 It is not logical to think that Jesus came to save the dead.
What did Christ say?
"It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgment."
No second chances.
Luke 16
And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
Sorry about the spelling errors, predictive text. The first line should have said, the holy spirit starts to get you to ask questions.
I live in a town in Virginia that has literally been taken over by the Mormons. It is the largest single denomination of the town. They also have a college, Southern Virginia University, which they hope to grow and expand to become like a BYU of the East. I have spoken with many in the Mormon population and they really believe what they believe. But if the Holy Spirit is working on them then there is still hope for them. Pray that God would give them the eyes to see and the ears to hear.
2 Cronicles 16,9
9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.
I have only put the first part of this verse but if we fail to repent of our ways the second part will applied to us.
(Continued) 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Hope this makes it clear enough for you.
God bless
Not for long imo.
I'm not sure if it is still the case but in the 70's if somebody wanted to join a coven they were given a series of books as compulsory reading before they could join. I know that many Christians will not believe this but the books were the chronicles of narnia because they reveal so much about the occult.
Not every newly saved Christian is as courageous as you are trying to imply. If someone was raised in the LDS church, not a convert, and their ENTIRE family is Mormon, and they become a Christian, it's the equivalent to a Christian saying, "I'm going to worship satan" because in the mormon temple, an evangelical Christian pastor is depicted as working for satan. What I was getting at is that the Holy Spirit will lead the saved person out when it is best for them in their walk w/Jesus.
Beginning of video....pretty sure you meant to say ebullient and not buoyant. Joyful, not floating.
"you only see the trees for what they are", as where making up a god behind them is better?
This is a great video... I still have not met a Mormon able to refute these claims and prove their faith with strict use of the Bible...
Lewis was in a group that called themselves the inklings which also included J R R Tolkin.
Tolkin was heavily into the occult and about 15 mins into his first movie the Peter Jackson did you see one of the so called good guys who is a wizard (I think his name is gandoff). In witchcraft a male practicer of the craft is not called a warlock as many think. This is just a Americanized hollywood term for shock value. A male witch is called a wizard.
I'm sure this situation has come about many times and the Lord lets us know what He thinks on the matter in 2 Corinthians 6, 14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
If there is so much to talk about, why are the first 8 minutes wasted on something other than the topic?
He has taught me a lot and I look forward to meeting him someday either here or in heaven. Just wanted to say I see Ray as a brother in Christ but have be shown that C S Lewis was not a christian. If you look a the first person that Lucy meats when she gets into Narnia, Mr Tomnus the thorn guy you can clearly see he is a image of pan who is a pagan symbol, half man half goat or a satan (lucifer) like figure. Yet according to Lewis he is a good guy. In the movie he even plays the pan flute.
I was simply pointing out the fallacy of that statement. To say a particular sect has less validity because another sect that is perceived to be wrong or apostate happens to use the same scripture is pretty much the same as saying police officers are no better than criminals because they both use guns.
Anyone that spreads the good word of the gospel is aiding in a persons salvation by helping them find the truth. Also works ARE important just as following the commandments are crucial to our salvation. Following the commandments are some of the works God expects of us after we repent and trust in Christ. Your right says Baptism is non negotiable, that is why God has provided a way for ALL to be baptized even those who have died without the opportunity to be baptized. Proxy isn't a foreign doctrine, it's one of the main doctrines of christianity. All Christians believe Christ has stood in place(proxy) to pay the price for our sin. God loves us so much that He has provided a way for ALL His children even if they didn't get an opportunity in this life.
Also in Acts5:38-39 we receive some great council from Gamaliel that we may want to consider.
You also refer to the scripture that refers to in a critical way about endless genologies, well Genealogy must be quite important to God if he included so much of it in the old testament.
Genealogy was important in the Old Testament and before Jesus came to show that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah as was prophesied.
The Messiah was prophesied to come from the line of David (Isaiah 11:1). By recording His lineage in Scripture, God confirms that Jesus was descended from David (see Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38). The genealogy is yet another attestation of Jesus Christ’s fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.
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Baptism for the dead is a pagan practice. Other pagan religions practice it.
The New Apostolic Church and the Old Apostolic Church also practice baptism for the dead, as well as Communion and Sealing to the Departed. In this practice a proxy or substitute is baptised in the place of an unknown number of deceased persons. According to NAC and OAC doctrine the deceased do not enter the body of the substitute.
Outside of Christianity, proxy baptisms were practiced by the Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran.
Epiphanius of Salamis (between 310-320 - 403) reported that he had heard it said that, among followers of Cerinthus.
Paul mentioned this fact in I Corinthians 15. In speaking of the resurrection, there were those who were saying that there was no resurrection. Even non Christians believe in a resurrection that is why THEY baptize for the dead. Notice the words those and they.
I Corinthians 15 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
29 Otherwise, what will THOSE do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are THEY baptized for them?
The true church spoken of in the book of Acts and the epistles never baptized for the dead. It would be pointless.
"It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment." Paul was glad he did not baptize very many.
Jesus Christ never baptized anyone.
The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural nor sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn't change a person's eternal destiny, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26).
The word gospel means good news. In order to have good news there must be bad news.
The bad news is that we are dead in our sins, are children of wrath and on our way to hell.
Eph. 2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, and were by nature children of wrath,
Romans 3 “There is none righteous, not even one; 11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is nothing we can do to merit being saved from hell. God does not accept tithing, fasting, good works, facing Mecca, lying on beds of nails, going to church, etc. God only accepts His own righteousness. You have to be perfect to get into heaven.
The gospel, the good news, is that God himself became a man, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus Christ humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for our sin in full when He died on the cross.
2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
Romans 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight;
Galatians 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
I Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in Jesus Christ. You don't have to join a church, get baptized, get religious, etc.. Salvation is quite simple. Religion makes it quite difficult.
God bless.
@@fayelewis5476 On the contrary. Baptism is an essential ordinance. Even Jesus was baptised by John. If we are supposed to be following Jesus how come do we not follow Him on this? There is reference in Acts to baptisms. If that is the case how are deceased supposed to be baptised other than through proxy baptisms? To me it shows God's love and the provision He made for mankind.
@@ericnaude8158 Baptism cannot get you into heaven. It is important to be baptized.
Proxy baptisms will not work. There are no second chances. "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment."
Death seals a man's fate.
Mosiah 2:36-39
Alma 34:32-35
Heathen can be saved without baptism.
Moroni 8:22-23
2 Nephi 9:25-26
Mosiah 15:24-2
Baptism for the dead is a pagan custom.
It is just superstition.
Just across the Saronic Gulf from first century Corinth was Eleusis, which served as the center of a popular and ancient mystery religion. This pagan cult, of which Homer was a fan and Cicero an initiate, taught that eternal bliss in the hereafter was contingent upon one’s observance of its initiation ritual, which included a ceremonial washing and purification in the sea.
@@fayelewis5476 So is baptism important or essential? Romans 6:1 to 6 speaks of Baptism and seems pretty definitive that it was part of the Ancient church. In John 3:5 Jesus said to Nicodemus "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Mark 16:16 says He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved..." Jesus was also baptised even though it was not necessary for him to be baptised, being perfect. Baptism is followed by the invitation to receive the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands.
Are you suggesting that the early church adopted baptism from Greek cults and Jesus condoned this by consenting to be being baptised? Homer lived about 750 BC? So was this cult practiced for over 700 years and was adopted by the Jews? The Jews also had purification rituals? So I am not understanding your point?
I understand it to be essential and therefore baptism for the dead makes sense.
“I had some ado to prevent joy and myself from relapsing into paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong - would have only been addressing Christ sub-species Apollinis.” - C.S Lewis, in his biography
In the quote above it appears as if he has come out of paganism but look at how he is mixing Christ with paganism towards the end of it.
Does this look like good theology.
85eleven. Just to add that Lewis AS a Christian decided to commit adultery by marrying a woman that was married or just divorced. As you know this is not permitted as a Christian. But because of his church of England background, he went with the miss translation in their bibles that says you can for marital un- faithfulness (but also says you can't remarry) but Jesus said, only for fornication (fooling around in the engaged period) and you can't re marry. That's why many left him.
Silly point. One could make the same point about Jehovah's Witnesses and Main Stream Christianity.
Jesus was a Jew.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Living God
@@brich2542 Jesus is God. Jesus is the 2nd person of the triune God.
Christ went to a place called 'prison', during His 3 days as a spirit without His body. Then Luke 23:42-43, then John 20:16-17. Without your teleprompter it's hard to know what scriptures those are, no worries chaps, I'll explain. Christ tells the thief on the neighboring cross next to Him "to day, shalt thou be with me in Paradise." though, in Peter, we learn Christ went to a place called Prison, different from Paradise. Here's the good part; Paradise isn't the same as Heaven. Look at John, now
Annie Edwards none so blind there is no prison with the burial of JESUS study yr kj bible
You mis-characterized baptisms for the dead. 1. We believe that it gives them dead person an opportunity. You made it sound as if we believe that they are forced into The Celestial Kingdom because we did their baptism for the dead. Actually we believe they are told about their baptism for the dead and allowed to choose if they will accept it. 2. We believe that baptisms for the dead has no power. The perfect atonement wrought by Jesus Christ in Gethsemane and on the cross is what has the power to save us. The baptisms for the dead are a way to access the power of the atonement.
Hamann9631 its paganism its not biblical
@@carolmaraj8700 Read 1 Corinthians 15:29. I guess the Apostles must have been pagan as well then?
Well, one might have to continue in the lds church because they were raised in it and might have a hard time leaving due to family or other reasons. The person probably doesn't want to be there but might have to stay or needs to stay. People are ostracized when they leave the lds church so it's not always easy to just leave, especially if they have children or a spouse still in mormonism. You can be saved and be in a church that is not biblically sound, even in the Christian world.
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(continued) 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Even repentance has to be a power in you from God, along with forgiveness. You can state, intellectually that you forgive or repent but the law of sin and death will be right there with you making sure you don't do these things in your heart. It's only those that are in Christ, walking in the spirit that are lifted above the law of sin and death. And as a Christian, if you don't walk in that way, you can't forgive or repent no matter how much you tell yourself and others. Continues below.
It's like watching children arguing over the dinner table about topics they don't fully understand. Gentlemen, Proxy baptism work is described in 1st Corinthians, which you misunderstand, and judging by your lack of scriptural reference, you've never read 1st Peter 4:6 and 3:18-20, which discusses Christ's Ministry to those departed spirits waiting in a state called 'prison' while He was dead. Got any doctrine for that? nah, turn the blind eye. why preach to them if they can't be saved?
Winston. You are adding to Scripture your-or someone else's-opinions. Do you teach the lie that Jesus was non-existent, or unconscious and inactive, prior to his bodily resurrection? Is your doctrine Adventist or Russelite, or some other novelty?
*"Hey mormons... there were thousands of wars according to your silly little book that took place..."*
This is why you anti-Mormonism types amuse me. The word "war" appears in the Book of Mormon 167 times. Not thousands. The word "battle" appears 125 times.
JediMormon.
Regardless of the number of times, we are still waiting for your proof that one of them actually happened !
JediMormon you didn't help your case at all
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@@matthewlatham8608 Google it - women in the 1800's were married at age 12. As to the others members interested can find out these things on the church website. Take a look at the church history of most Christian Churches - not a pretty story.
Why is it that so called Christians spread so many lies and half truths?
Lewis admitted he was fascinated by the occult and he aimed to promote paganism. He close friend Tolkin was a linguist and from a very young age he new several languages and had developed his own. He is said to be in the occult world as a child of the indigo. These are meant to be specially gifted children who will guide the world into the aquerian age and if you look at his life he has tried to do just that.
Seems LDS have it right. James 2: 18 Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead.
It's true we can only have Eternal life through Christ. It doesn't mean He doesn't EXPECT things of us. The scriptures don't just suggest service would be a good thing, it is commanded. I would rather error on my side and be wrong, than yours. And a lot more of God's children would benefit. Do you really believe God would say "Have faith, don't sin, but you don't have to do good???
Always great to watch a Theist Vs. Theist debate.
"Your make believe bullshit is not real! MY make believe bullshit is the real thing!!!"
Magic underwear and Kolob is only slightly more crazy, in that it builds upon the same crazy of virgin birth, Noah's ark, and guys living in big fish.
johnathon918 This is why we're all different. Some believe and some don't. I've followed my faith for 52yrs so far, it promises me peace protection and purpose, also health hope and happiness, and if I live right and use the gift of repentance eventually eternal life and be reunited with my family after this life. If your going to convince me to join the Athiests movement what do you have to offer as an alternative to what my faith offers?
The primary purpose of the Holy Spirit is to convict the world of sin.
If so many people in the Churches are doing so many sins and lets be honest about it and admit its happening. We've all herd of the divorcing, abortions, fornication, adoltary and things that are happening in our churches. If these people who are trapped by these besetting sins that they never seam to overcome can sit in a church and be unmoved by there sin and rebellion against the Lord.
What a distortion of the doctrine. If all have to be baptism then what about all those who died without the opportunity. To me it is a wonderful manifestation of God's love.
So who were God's chosen few from the time that the last Apostle was killed? If that was the case then why was there a reformation? The scriptures are not complete. Within the scriptures there are refences to other books which are not within the Bible.
How does "Mormonism" differ on the triune nature of God?
The idea that works are the basis of Mormonism is a distortion. Fundamentally my understanding is that the doctrine is the same as taught by Living Waters which is after repenting, accepting Christ as your Saviour then you will seek to be obedient to the commandments. But however hard you try you will never be perfect other than through the grace offered by God. The works required is to strive to be obedient to God's commandments. Those "Mormons" who claim that grace is earned should listen to and watch or read more church videos/talks.
The idea that any church is OK then what about Ephesians 4:4 and 5. Or is this interpreted that as long as your core beliefs are common then it is one faith?
What sect does Living Water's belong to? What makes them an authority on the interpretation of Scripture. Or is it also a cult?
It is these kind of distortions and attacks that made me realise that there was something to the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. Just as Jesus was attacked by the Jews in His day for doing His works by the power of Satan.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
- Article of Faith #3
Book of Mormon For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
- 2 Nephi 25:23
"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).
The Bible
Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
I John 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92).
The Bible
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
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There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
The Bible
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
- John 14:6
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"This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts," (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
The Bible
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Mormon Doctrine, p.670).
The Bible
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name (Jesus) under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
- Acts 4:12
@@fayelewis5476 The quoted passages make sense within the context of the other doctrines of the church, but when quoted out of context they seem to be at variance with the scriptures. I certainly cannot accept that salvation is possible without works. Work involves doing something. To quote the online dictionary "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result". One example would be baptism, which is essential for salvation, I think even Ray accepts that. One has to do something, have faith in Jesus Christ and that He is able to save you, repent and then go and get baptised. All involve metal or physical effort. WIth regard to the quotes above on there being no salvation outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet, these are premised on the necessity to be baptising those with proper authority, rather than having someone wake up one morning and deciding that they have the authority to baptise. If you don't accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, as you clearly don't then you will not accept that the LDS Church is the only one who has been given the authority to baptise by God and therefore you won't be baptised and therefore you would not have conformed with one of the key requirements for salvation. To me it flows logically.
As for the scriptures quoted on there being no need for works, I can quote a few which indicates the requirement for works, very strongly. Such as James 1:22 to 27 and James 2 deals with the whole issue of works v faith. For example, James 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have no works? can faith save him? Philip 2:12 can also apply. The ultimate authority is Jesus Christ, who said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments". Those commandments involve doing things or exerting mental effort to not do things. If you don't love Jesus then what is the point of being saved? You would certainly not want to be in heaven with Him.
The problem with quoting Romans and other of Pauls letters is that, according to my understanding, based on what I have read, they were written to address particular problems within the church. Early Jewish converts insisted on obedience to the law, such as circumcision. Paul's epistles were therefore intended to clarify that ultimately we are saved by Grace of Jesus Christ and his atonement, not by strict obedience to the law as the Jews believed.
@@ericnaude8158 Joseph Smith got his 'authority' from Satan. Joseph Smith spoke with the dead, Elijah, Peter, James and John. This is an abomination in the sight of a holy God.
Deut. 18
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
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Leviticus 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
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We know that the dead do not return.
Luke 16:26
Demons impersonating Elijah, Peter, James and John anointed Joseph Smith.
Joseph Smith was very much into the occult. ie. sticking his head in a hat to 'translate' a book, scrying, glass looking, wearing a Jupiter talisman, lying, the masonic Endowment Ceremony, the 'white salamander' guarding the gold plates, etc..
@@ericnaude8158 Christ has said that your works are as filthy rags. Is. 64:6
You need to be perfect to get into heaven. Christ commands you to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye perfect.
Are you following this commandment?
The truth is that no matter how many good works you do, you will never be perfect. That is why you need a Savior. Christ kept the law perfectly for us.
James 2 Works are the evidence of your salvation, not the cause of it. You need the righteousness of God to get into heaven.
By repentance and putting my faith in what Christ has already done for me, paying the penalty for my sin in full on the cross, Christ has imputed to me his righteousness, which is the righteousness of God.
II Cor. 5:21
For God hath made Christ to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
I know that my sins have been forgiven.
I know that I have eternal life.
I know that I have been made perfect.
I know that I will live with Heavenly Father for all eternity.
Hebrews 10
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
@@fayelewis5476 I am impressed by your omniscience and the authority with which you make your statements. So Moses, Elijah (Elias) did not appear to Christ and Peter James and John on the mount of Transfiguration as recorded in Matthew 17:1 to 9? That would prove the scriptures you quote as invalid? Or is the record in Matthew wrong? Or was it demons impersonating Moses and Elias who appeared to Christ and He did not recognize it? Was He also dabbling in the occult? Who is the blasphemer here?
We have been warned in scripture that towards the end such would be the spread of wickedness that the love of many would wax cold. The last church age in the message to the seven churches is to one called Ladoicean which is lukewarm or apathetic. 1 John warns us that if we love the world or anything that belongs to the world the love of the Father is not in us. But isn't TV a thing of the world, isn't most music today from the world, movies, video games, sports, love on cars, money
Baptism for the Dead... 1 Corinthians 15:29; tells us NOT to do it and the Mormons use it to support DOING it! Leads to countless debates and arguments...
randy109. Which translation of the Bible says ,"Don't do it.". The King James Version is reporting on something that is being done. It uses baptism for the dead as a proof of Christ's resurrection. It is illogical to tell somebody to stop doing something that you said proves another point.
God has promised in Acts 5 to pour out His Holy Spirit on those that obey Him. and we are told that His Holy Spirit is God's mark of ownership on us.
For the most part the Christian church is fast asleep and actually believe they are awake spiritually.
Many in the occult world are getting ready to shred the house of God as there are so many groups joining forces against it yet so many Christians neglect prayer, the bible and real fellowship but still spend hours watching filth on TV.
And if the Holy Spirits Primary purpose is to convict the world of sin and people doing all that are not coming under conviction and brokenness to the point they are either repenting and crying out to God for mercy or running out of the church like people used to do years ago when Holy Spirit would inhabit the churches. You have to ask yourself, is the Holy Spirit there.
👉 Joseph Smith Jr was a prophet of God. Deal with it. God has always had prophets and will always until He returns. None of you claim to be one. Joseph claimed to be one and he backed it up through his fruits.
Marrying 14 year olds, other men's wives, mothers and their daughters, and having an affair with a 16 year old are a few of the 'fruits.'
On baptism for the dead:
1. The idea that baptism for the dead somehow earns the salvation for another is certainly not doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ. It is a total misinterpretation and misrepresentation. The Book of Mormon re-iterates the gospel truth that Christ is the way, the truth and the light and that only by and through Him that we can be saved. (Acts 4:12, 2 Nephi 25:20, Mosiah 3:17, Mosiah 5:8, Doctrine and Covenants 18:23).
2. Baptism is essential for salvation and spirits cannot be baptised for obvious reasons. It is then up to that spirit to decide whether they accept the gospel and Christ and when they do that they can then accept the baptism that was done on their behalf.
3. The interpretation of 1 Corinthians 5:29, while true to the wording, does not make sense in the context of the content of the rest of the chapter, which is an argument on the reality of the resurrection. It is like a Christian trying to convince someone that Christ was a God that came to Earth died and was resurrected based on ancient Egyptian or Greek deities that did the same. To me that would weaken the thrust of the argument. Because the automatic question would be what is the difference between these mythical gods and Jesus. It make far more sense to me that the reference to "they" is to other members of the ancient church on the basis that Paul did not perform these baptisms himself. On this matter, I find that a number of documentaries on archeological discoveries in the Holy Land try to take God and the Bible out of the equation and instead add their own interpretation of what happened which normally does not correspond with what the Bible says.
4. I have personally been involved in these baptisms and they are very spiritual experiences where the spirit of some ancestors can be felt to be very close.
5. Underlying the differences between traditional Christianity and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the idea amongst traditional Christians is that God has said all He has to say and nothing can be added. Had the Jews of Ancient Israel adopted this approach we would still have been living the law of Moses. I have had a Baptist trying to tell me that the fact that nothing can be added is borne out by the last chapter or so of Revelation which contains and injunction to that effect. However, the same injunction is contained in Deuteronomy. It makes sense to me that God would appoint someone in these days, as we approach the Second Coming to clarify His truth and eliminate the confusion that exists. This would include a way to discern between His true church and those built up for personal gain. But, as was the case during Christ's mortal ministry many don't believe or think that it is something from Satan.
The problem is that the LDS church adds things that are idolatrous and blasphemous.
The true church is spoken of in the book of Acts and the epistles.
There was no endowment ceremony, no mandatory tithing, no worthiness interviews, they did not worship a god that came from another planet, they did not mock Jesus Christ and say he was the brother of Lucifer, no restored priesthood ( Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 speaks of pagans baptizing for the dead.), no secret handshakes, no temple garments, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no salvation by grace after all you can do, no veil was put back up that God had torn in two, they did not believe they would become a god someday, the women were not hoping to share their husbands with other women and be pregnant for all eternity populating a planet, etc..
Jesus Christ is the final Prophet.
Christ is our living Prophet, Priest and King.
@@fayelewis5476 So you don't accept any of the prophets who spoke for God in the Old Testament, such as Jeremaih, Isaiah? Nor do you accept Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. that also excludes the books of Moses,, in fact most of the Old Testament?
@@ericnaude8158 I said that Jesus Christ is the final prophet. I did not say that I did not believe in Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc..
Luke 16:16 The prophets were until John.
Hebrews 1
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
Amos 3:7 says that God will raise up a prophet when He is about to bring a judgment on the people, as He promised to do here. Luke 24:19 states that Jesus is the ultimate prophet who continues to speak today to His people.
The Mormon prophets have distorted and denied every basic teaching of the historic church, why should Christians desire to follow them?
@@fayelewis5476 Where to begin? It seems that you only believe in the New Testament and that it is a complete manual on the running of Jesus’ church and records all of what the Apostles did. Well, it does not, it has a very brief history of Jesus’ life and ministry and thereafter deals mainly with Jesus calling Paul’s to preach to the Gentiles. Christ’s only preached to the Jews and it was left to Paul and the apostles to carry the word to others. While there is no record of an endowment or temple ceremonies, that does not mean they did not take place. Today’s temple covenants are not shared, other than by apostate members because of the sacred nature of the covenants made. In any event, whether or not they existed in the early church is irrelevant in my opinion. There is also no record of a temple before Moses was instructed to build the temple in the wilderness and subsequently a permanent temple was built in Jerusalem. God can introduce new things to assist the members of His church to deal with prevailing world conditions.
There was no tithing because the early church had all things in common so everything was given to the church - see Acts 4:32 to Acts 5:10. On tithing see Malachi 3:8- 18, 2 Chronicals 31:5-12 amongst others. The fact that you don’t live by the law does not mean that it does not exist.
I am surprised by the harping on of the issue of grace versus works. As far as I can see the Methodist’s church’s doctrine on this is a good summary of the doctrine of the church on this matter - Google it. Yet there is no issue with their doctrine on the subject? To use Ray’s analogy, the idea that you can put on a parachute and rely wholly on the parachute without doing anything is ridiculous. If the plane is going down you still need to get out of your seat and get to an exit and you still need to jump and pull the parachute’s cord so that it will open. Despite what Ray says he clearly also believes in works since he has said that baptism is required. You have to do something to get baptised.
As for multiple wives, I can go through the old testament to find multiple examples of prophets who had multiple wives. As for the rest of what you say happened in the early church, I don’t think that there is sufficient record to know all that happened. The mere fact that the early church met in houses does not mean that that was the only place that meetings took place. Jesus taught in the country. The place of meeting is less important than what is taught.
The other matters raised are, in my opinion, based on an incomplete and inaccurate reading of the scriptures. On Lucifer, your view is formed because you do not believe that we existed prior to us coming to earth. That is not what the scriptures say see for example John 9:2 where a pre-mortal existence is clearly contemplated and Jesus did not correct the disciples on this doctrine. I can go on but I would need to write a book.
Later in the Movie you see how the which which is supposed to be satan has turned a lot of the inhabitants of Narnia into ice or stone and they need to be set free.
When you look at these creatures you can see that these are pagan deities from mythology but according to Lewis in his movie Aslan the lion who is meant to be God is the one who made them. Shouldn't we have a problem with idea that God is the creator a pagan deities.
the latest fashions, love of houses. How many profession Christians are going to take the word of God seriously and let go of the things that cause us to be lukewarm. Are we going to read Mark 8,34- and believe and obey it.In John Jesus told us that His sheep here His voice and obey Him. It also says that He will reveal himself to those who obey Him. So in doing this we will get to know God and later that same gospel of John says that knowing God is eternal life
Meant, continues above.
If we had the power to really repent, Jesus would not have needed to have died on the cross. He would have lived a blameless life and we could have emulated it. But not the case, as it says in Romans 5:10, if while we were enemies of God Christ gave us right standing with God through his death, how much more so being in right standing shall we be SAVED by his life.
The cross paid for our sins but to be free from sin we need his life.
"You can do nothing apart from me"
Interesting that they don't say this about Calvinists. Calvinism and Mormonism are false
Hahaha these guys mock Mormons. Something Jesus said not to do.
Woobieweibel,
Once your saved the holy spirit states to get you to ask questions and revels the answers to you in the form of revelation. As Jesus said to peter "this has only been revealed to you by God, and on this rock (revelation, because that's what he was just talking about) I will build my church. So you would be kicked out of the LDS church because of the questions you'd be asking and the revelation you'd be sharing. The bible also says to come out and have nothing to do with them.
They would realize the errors of mormonism and should leave