Video není dostupné.
Omlouváme se.
Pastor READS 1 Nephi from the Book of Mormon
Vložit
- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- Pastor Jeff is reading the Book of Mormon for the first time! In this video, he reacts to the first book in the BOM: 1 Nephi.
Support this effort: www.HelloCreative.life
Get exclusive access to bonus content on Patreon: www.patreon.com/hellosaints
Hello Saints! My name is Jeff McCullough and I'm a Christian Pastor.
This channel is devoted to fighting criticism with curiosity as I invite dialogue between Christians and Latter-day Saints. Are Mormons christians? What do christians and Latter-day Saints agree and disagree about? Join me as I compare and contrast the lifestyle, culture and beliefs of Mormonism and the rest of the Christian community.
If you enjoyed this video, you might enjoy a video his reaction to the Introduction of the Book of Mormon: • Pastor REACTS to Birth...
#LatterDaySaints #bookofmormon #mormonism
I've officially started reading the Book of Mormon. If you have read the BOM, Is there anything in 1 Nephi that sticks out to you that I didn't cover?
What a great video! I learned a lot from you today. I think one thing that stood out to me is an interesting perspective in the role of living prophets. It may seem that when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon he also sought to cater to a modern audience in his choice of words, but I don't think this was only a personal choice on his side, but part of the process of revelation. I think when it comes to translation of the word of God by the power of God, it's not just a regular "Google Translate" type of word for word translation, and it cannot be done just by anyone, but only by someone who is authorized by God to do so, because the main objective of the translation is to ensure that the truth comes out to the audience in a way that limits misunderstanding according to the audience's knowledge, language and world view. While this could make some people think that this kind of catering in translation is not credible or that it's not fully the word of God, or that it's tainted by the translator, I think when that translator is a prophet of God, acting with His authority, this kind of "catering" is absolutely valid. To me this only shows why the Book of Mormon is so important as a book of revelation for the people of our day. It also tells me why having modern and living prophets to interpret and teach about the scriptures is so important. The authorized guardians of the doctrine of Christ that are living at a particular time are equipped with additional insight to cater to the needs of the people of that time.
Some short small things:
1) The slaying of Laban is technically allowed by Mosaic law. Exodus 21:13 states that if one does not lie in ambush and God "delivers" the victim "into his hand," then God "will appoint [...] a place whither he shall flee." As God directed Nephi to kill Laban and appointed the Promised Land for his people, that rule is fulfilled.
2) There's a lot of cool things about the phrase "And it came to pass." Definitely recommend looking into it!
3) Highly recommend that you listen to Hugh Nibley's Book of Mormon lectures!
4) In reference to Mary, it moreso refers to her purity (white representing purity). Egyptians regarded pale skin as beautiful and as a sign of royalty or nobility.
5) The Brass Plates (secured from Laban) were records of the prophets and contained several prophets that are not in the Bible.
6) The Great and Abominable Church is everyone and everything that is not part of the Gospel.
7) The allegory of the olive tree is expounded upon in the Book of Jacob.
8) The binary view is part of the Plan of Salvation. After we die, we are placed in Paradise or Prison based on our knowledge and acceptance of Christ and His Gospel. Those in Paradise preach the Gospel to those in Prison. They are also given the opportunity to accept ordinances done in the Temples on their behalf.
9) The reason as to why the Book of Mormon is similar to the Bible's phrasing is because people are more used to that text.
10) The Liahona is the compass referenced. It guided them and directed where they went.
11) The plants, animals, and metals have some cool research. On that note, however, we have not extensive archeology in the Americas (North, Meso, and Sount). There is likely greater evidence that we just simply haven't found yet.
12) The Book of Mormon was translated for this day. As such, it is for our understanding. This means that the word "Church" might mean several things based on the context rather than just the Greek word.
13) Leviticus is cool. Numbers is boring.
Yeah! To ease your worries about the issue of skin tone I have a few comments.
1st typically we wouldn't associate wording like that example with mary, as the actual color of skin, I totally understand your immediate association with it though, we would say that this is more of a analogy using the typical associations of light and dark, but using skin color as the base for the analogy.
I feel okay with this reasoning, because at the time of writing, skin color didn't have the associations it does now, because of the history of skin color in our society as whole these passages can be difficult to read, but thats how I would interpret it.
2nd little thing in how I personally would think about it, if these passages have anything to do with skin color at all, it would not be how we think of skin color now. When we think white we think European, but in a small family in the middle east I would bet "white skin" meant something completely different cause I bet they had never even seen a European before. How we interpret and how the writers interpret "Black skin" is the same way. So I personally would just think of it like having a slightly lighter complexion or having a slightly darker complexion.
Overall, a great benefit I've found in thinking about issues like these is putting yourself in the writers shoes and thinking about these things from the writers point of view. With that a lot of the issues I've had with the scriptures at times have begun to make sense.
Within 1st Nephi, I think that a large number of your viewers would have liked to hear more of your reaction on Lehi's and Nephi's vision on the tree of life (1 Ne. 8 & 11) as it is a metaphor reference over and over again in modern teachings and art. This is all fun to watch and I appreciate the willingness to keep it neutral and fair, because in the end most of us are just seeking to know our Savior and how to better come unto him.
Love what your doing!
I was born and raised a Baptist. My parents joined the LDS Church when I was a teenager and I saw a hugely positive change in their lifestyle and overall attitudes. They got baptized, went to church, quite smoking and drinking which meant that they lost pretty much all their old friends. My folks have passed away after almost 55 years of marriage. My folks have both passed on within 18 months of one another and they loved each other as much as any two people could. The set a good example for me and yes, now I am a Latter-Day Saint.
One of my best friends did everything a nice good Mormon woman is supposed to do. She stayed home and home schooled her three children. She cooked and cleaned and created a professional band with the family. She did EVERYTHING! No drinking, no smoking, no swimming (in Hawaii). She never mentioned religion. As soon as the middle child turned 18 she took off. Mom just posted a picture of herself hanging from a strip pole with her legs wide open in really high heels. I experience the same thing with the teenagers in Salt Lake City, Utah when I went there when I was 14 years old. They were rebelling they were doing crazy things. I’m glad things turned out OK for you and your parents though
The same could be said for j witness or other denominations. But practicing morality and trying to live a clean life won't get you to heaven. Human beings are criminal to holy God. A person must settle out of court to get to heaven. And the mediator or arbitrate. Is the living Christ Jesus. You cannot bypass Calvary and get into heaven. I hope they were forgiven by Jesus and you.
@@kitcat.... is lds and Mormon the same
I talked to a Mormon lady that came to visit my mother. She was very polite. I asked her what happens after she died she said she repopulates planets with spiritual children. How sad she has been sold snake oil the prophesied in the bible say nothing close to what she's. Taught I'm also told the newcomers to the church are not taught this. They never give them that until there neck deep in Mormon tradition. I actually bought a book about what they believe before I questioned this woman. And she told me the same thing. The way to heaven is a person not a denomination or religious sect. Jesus said I am the way. The Jesus Mormons talk about is not the same as the king James Jesus. Theve been taught a lot that is literally doctrines of demons
@@kitcat.... have you ever believed the gospel you are a criminal acc to God. He cannot justly forgive u just because u ask. If a judge releases a criminal without punishment it makes that judge corrupt. But God provided one way to justly forgive criminals without corrupting himself. He provided a substitute to be punished for us. Jesus at Calvary was punished for all who believe so we can go free. Christ died for the ungodly. That is you and me. What reason do you have to believe God will let u by for your offenses. Just because you say your sorry in a courtroom don't cut it with justice. If I'm guilty of a crime that judge will punish me. There is no mercy for criminals in American courts. The only mercy available to me or you is a substitute to be punished in our place. Read Isaiah 53. The lord hath laid on him Jesus the iniquity of us all. He planned it this way from eternity past. I've met Mormons they are civil. But they are still criminals in holy just fathers sight because of sin. They need a savior. His name is jesus
Absolutely fascinating to hear your educated and intelligent non-LDS analysis of the book! Ever since I joined the Church in Korea when I was young and served a 2 yr mission 20 years ago I've been on a spiritual roller coaster and had many moments of doubt about the Church. Now I doubt my own doubt because of the powerful messages found on the book. The Book of Mormon is magical to me so much so I feel as though the words in there speak to my soul and offer me a very personalized insight on the struggles I have in life. I really admire the way you are approaching the book and hope you will get to the truth you seek personally and inspire many others do the same. Subscribed!
I am in fact an LDS member and really do appreciate you having an open mind on our church. Lots of people think we’re weird or smth but we’re really not. We just try to help people so I really do thank you for letting people know about 1nephi. Trust me Alma is the BEST book!
I adore Alma. Chapter 48 is one of my favorites
I am not LDS. But I will say that I enjoyed Alma quite a bit. Loved King Benjamin's sermon as well.
Lehi's dream and Nephi's vision were my favourite parts !
This channel is really inspiring ! I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I love how respectful this pastor is towards the church. It is so crucial that we, from different religious backgrounds, come together and learn from one another because then we can respect and love one another even more. I have friends that are from different faiths and we have wonderful and uplifting dicussions.
I am from Montreal and there is a very strong jewish community in that area. For 2 consecutive years we, the Jewish community and members of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints got together for a meeting and talked about how we could work together to better communities in Montreal. Then, I moved away so I don't know whether they kept on holding this annual meeting. I am not sure why but this channel reminds me of this.
Joseph Smith once said (paraphrasing here) : 'If everyone would live and practice their religion, there wouldn't be any war'.
I don't respect things I know to be wrong and fraudulent.
@@scottlaux6934 Matthew 12:39
@@scottlaux6934
1st John 4: 2,3
Well sorry to say you’re in a cult.
@@scottlaux6934 there are presently at least 30,000 sects of christianity, all of which say that the other is wrong. same can be said in islam, hindu, buddhism, and judaism. tens of thousands of sects that spout the same elitist tongue. i wouldn't be so quick to quote matthew 12:29, when tens of thousands of other sects are using that same scripture, against you.
Hi, I am not an LDS member, but I grew up from a Catholic family and ended up having a LOT of LDS friends growing up, so I attended their church activities a lot, even moreso than my own family went to Catholic mass! There was a time I wanted to join the LDS church. But as a restless, spiritually seeking 19 year old, the poor missionaries didn't have a fighting chance with the standards I placed on them as I asked way too big of questions even for my own good 😂, so I never did join. (I was this way with every religion I've explored, not just the LDS, I've been very hard to satisfy spiritually speaking.)
I appreciate that you have this channel because I am much older now and have been on a bigger journey since those frustrating and restless days of trying to find truth as a teenager, and so I'm excited to watch a long with you as you read the BOM and review it from your perspective. I currently attend a non-denominational church after a 12 year dance with Buddhism, so the Bible is something I'm re-familiarizing myself with in general. You could say I'm back in an intensely seeking space but I'm a bit more mature about it now lol
Excited to see more content! The points you're making are fascinating to me in a lot of ways. I've got such a soft spot in my heart for the LDS church because they were the foundation of my spiritual curiosity, so this is all very exciting for my personal journey 🥰
I think many people approach the scriptures looking for a "way out" for themselves to not abide by any principles or precepts, or to look for what's wrong with them. In other words, I think they're looking or a belief or a pattern of living closely aligned to their own or on their terms. The precept of the bible is the need for "the natural man" to change themselves following the precept of the Lord (Old Testament) or Jesus (New Testament). After all, the beginning has "the fall", and it's metaphorically speaking towards the distancing of Adam and Eve from God, and the need for Christ to be that anchor point where we head back into God's direction. Doing this requires self-introspection and humility in the changes we seek to incorporate into our minds and bodies to follow Christ, and abide by His teachings. He IS the path, the way, the truth and the light, right?
@@jum5238 Submission of our will is almost impossible, but with God, all things are possible. Praise God!
@@jum5238 I can definitely relate to this struggle very much. I have personally done a LOT of introspection, maybe a bit too much at times, over the years and complicated the journey for myself because straight up, I have a lot of spiritual arrogance and a deep unwillingness to submit to anyone or anything, and that has really made things harder on me. There's a lot I've been running from and things are starting to come back full circle in a sense. Surrendering to a savior is not something I've been ultimately interested in because of the kind of traumas I've endured from those in control. So it is taking an incredible amount of humility and trust at this point in my life.
Anyway your reflections are spot on!
Hi Emily,
This post stood out because I felt the same way. My conclusion was, there is no one true religion. As you stated Mormonism has far too many questions. I was brought up Catholic also and that has its own set of problems. However, I don’t believe in to tiny amoeba either. I feel that there must be a God just not one that reaches in your pocket.
The church of the devil is any. Church or organization that fights against Christ s teachings.
As an “ex mormon” and a self-professed practicing Christian, I really appreciate the respect and breakdown by a Christian Pastor. I don’t have any issues with the Mormon people, I just don’t fully agree with the teachings and agree more with the Christian views of things.
Another great video. As a Jewish person, it is really cool to see another non-LDS religious person reading the Book of Mormon. I was also struck by the similarities and allusions to the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament when I read 1 Nephi, but I hadn't picked up on a lot of the New Testament references that you pointed out. I love the curiosity, respect, and intelligence that you practice in all your videos and especially in your exegetical approach to the BOM! Looking forward to your next video!
2 words. Reformed Egyptian. I know you are trying to meet the ladder day saints on their level. It's a little disingenuous to placate something that never existed and is proven to not exist except for an apologist explanation as to how JS was so off base on being able to read Egyptian. My point is, when referring to something like reformed Egyptian as a "thing" at all without making the distinction that it is a made up thing is enabling.
@@sallyostling Mormon 9:32-34…
32 And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.
33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.
34 But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that none other people knoweth our language; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof.
Joseph Smith didn’t coin the phrase reformed Egyptian, and there would be no other form of this language to test against, as this was a language that had evolved over 1000 years of the Nephite culture in the Americas. Go back 1000 years in most cultures that have migrated from their mother country and you will find major changes to that language. As Mormon (the prophet historian who’s mission it was to collect the most important information from a larger collection of the words of the prophets and record-keepers of the previous 1000 years and painstakingly record them on sheets of gold to last through the next 1400 years buried in a hill, unweathered by the elements) himself said - there would have been no errors if they could have written in Hebrew, but even that language had been altered by them. However look into the Algonquin Nation’s language - a Native American tribe in Eastern USA, and you will find remnants of the Hebrew language there, as well as a history that correlates with Book of Mormon teachings. Search up Wayne May on CZcams - he has done a ton of research for the physical evidence of the Book of Mormon. But it is the spiritual evidence that is the key, and why the LDS Church leadership have no official position on geographical location, etc of where the Book of Mormon history takes place - as that is not what’s really important in coming to a belief in the truth of the message in this record which gives the world another witness of Jesus Christ. And really, why is anyone upset to have more information on the subject of Christ, let alone all the great words of wisdom in the Book of Mormon?
@@mycatwould because he made it up. And generations have modeled their 10%, behaviors, and shame on an 18th century racist text. I'm not making fun or trying to trigger you, your beliefs are your own. But to pretend reformed Egyptian is a real thing actually makes me feel sad. It's just not.
So @sallyostling says it’s not true and made up so it is? What Sally says goes? Who are you to come up with such an all-knowing statement? How do you know what you say you know? How did you come to this knowledge?
@@jeremytpaul Because ancient Egyptian texts can be read in both the demotic and hieroglyphic forms. So scholars know that Smith incorrectly deciphered his ancient copy of an Egyptian funerary text called "The Book of Coming Forth By Day." Finally, the Book of Morman contains mis-translations of Hebrew words that are found in the King James version of the Bible. Accept the book on faith if you need to, but it's veracity cannot be confirmed by verifiable facts.
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, my faith is a HUGE part of my life. I must say, paster, I appreciate your respect for my faith! Thank you!
they way i’ve been taught about the abominable church and the church of the Lamb of God, and the way i subscribe to, is that it’s simply those who truly follow Christ vs. those who use their religion to do all the bad things listed in that chapter. So some LDS members could be apart of the great and abominable and some could be apart of the church of the lamb, and some general christian’s could be apart of the great and abominable church and some could be apart of the church of the lamb. Makes sense to me that way.
It's those who follow Christ for the things of God versus those who do things for gain and praise of the world, I think you're exactly right.
The abominable church is babylon or the world.
I agree with Peyton. I understand that the Abominable Church is those who follow Satan wherever they may be.
We must look at how Joseph Smith interpreted and preached - and that is that the LDS/Mormon church is the church of the Lamb, and all others are an abomination and our professors are corrupt. These are his exact words
I appreciate how LDS people in their kind heart want to water the message down but one must look to the history and see what your prophets actually taught
JS clear as day says your church is the only true church and all others are led by satan…this is the only one that makes sense, hence the RESTORATION. Your church teaches many many things that aren’t in the Bible, or taught through church history and the reason for the new teachings of your church is because “all others are an abomination”
Some Latterday Saints are definitely part of the Abominable Church.
16:30 The way I'd see this is that that "ball" (which you later find out is called the Liahona) acts and behaves like a compass. In the original gold plates, that was probably a completely different word. But, since the BOM was translated for meaning, it wasn't translated as "the ball thingy which guides us" it was translated as "the compass" because that's what people would have been familiar with and it makes it easier and simpler to read so that you don't have to get hung up on weird nuances like that and can focus on the central message of Jesus Christ.
By the way, so so glad to hear that you're staying away from the criticisms of the BOM to really come at it with YOUR thoughts. Respect.
Had Pastor McCullough checked the footnote for 1 Nephi 18:12, he would have found the answer you provided. That footnote would have taken him to clarity at 2 Nephi 5:12 and Alma 37:38-47. I'd say the pastor needs to spend a bit more time studying before he comments.
I understand the compass only works by way of faith & obedience to the commandments. If it stops working then God must be displeased.
“It’s not boring” - lol, I love it. I also hope it’s clear that it’s also not sinister. Thanks for your honest reaction.
I love the way he is commenting as he reads. It is so authentic, and he says he has more to understand.
@@BlaineNay I mean, it's the first time he's reading the book. I can forgive him for not knowing everything I do after growing up going to Primary, Sunday School, Seminary, etc. throughout my entire life.
If he misses something, I figure dropping a brief & respectful explanation with scripture references is a good way to address instead of impugning motives or gatekeeping.
1 Nephi 3:7 is one of my favorite verses in The Book of Mormon. Love The Book of Mormon. Brings comfort every time I read it, even if I’m not fully understanding something in it it doesn’t matter I still feel peace.
The compass Nephi is referencing is the liahona. It's great that you're taking this on, on both a spiritual and critical way. Enjoy the reading 🤙🏽
@Hello Saints. Just for additional clarification. 1 Nephi 16:10 is where you will find the reference to the Liahona, and that it was a gift given to the family of God. This was a tool that didn't work like a traditional compass where the compass relies on the magnetic polarity of the earth. Instead it worked based on their rightousness, as you will have read in their Journey across the ocean.
The "round ball of curious workmanship" in 1 Nephi 16:10 is known as the Liahona, but that name isn't actually used until Alma 34:38.
From a believing and loving member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you are incredible! Thank you for your honest journey. I love the discussion you generate within your reactions and the respectful way you do it all. Please keep it up. Be bold, be humble, be inquisitive. I hope you are the example we all begin to look to when discussing religion with anyone.
Yes. Agreed. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints could learn from this pastor. Mormonism needs to stop teaching that their church is the "only true church on earth" .. because it teaches many things that are not true.
You believe in rocks in hat? Is your problem you can not read nor comprehend. Read Moroni promise what does it say. Ask if it's not true? Called double bind total witchary
@@lindamartinez7006 wrong ... however it's "true" that the church leaders are documented, verified proven deceivers.
Those interested in learning more can go directly on the Mormon's very own website and search under "gospel topic essays". These essays prove the deception clearly...
Even though the Mormon church has now admitted (though extremely whitewashed) these things ... they still don't teach their members or children or investigators that Joseph smith had 34 plus wives, many of them teenagers as young as 14, sister combinations, mother daughter combinations, and even women still married to other living men... and they won't teach them the book of Abraham literally has nothing to do with the papyrus Joseph used to "translate" it - in fact the papyrus dates 2000 years AFTER Abraham was alive AND they mention NOTHING about Abraham in the least - they are proven simple Egyptian funeral documents.
Please study All the "gospel topic essays" on the Mormons own website - and make sure you read all the foot notes too. The fact The Mormon leaders still won't teach their children or their missionaries or investigators about these things proves they are STILL covering up, deceiving and outright lying to the world about who they are and who they have been since day one... absolutely lying charlatans.
May God bless you with the REAL Mormon truth. As Jesus said. "The truth will make you free."
Jesus is enough
@@ShineBrightly they don’t teach that it’s the true church, over time members grow testimonies of the gospel and doctrine of Jesus Christ, which lead them to say, “this church is true”, because they believe it is. Just like any other religion one may practice, everyone should have a testimony that their own church is true, right?
@@lindamartinez7006 As something more than a statement of faith this is unacceptable language. D&C 22 was revealed to the Church. For private contemplation.
God is truth. And we accept him in faith -- & come together as a body in common faith as revealed in the ordinances of the Gospel -- but we are then ultimately united in love (as we live the truths embodied in the Christ revealed through the scriptures, ordinances & the Spirit). How I WISH this were the basic ideal of LDS religion & Church.
Let's find a better way.
From my view as a Latter-day Saint, I think you are really to be commended for actually trying to understand the Book of Mormon, and for taking a respectful tone as you discuss what you are learning. You are right that the Book of Mormon is not boring. I am reminded of the story of an early member of the church, who, upon reading it, was reported to have basically said, "either God wrote it or the Devil did, and I am going to find out who". It is something of substance that has to be dealt with. For me, after reading it repeatedly, I am very interested in the feelings I continue to have as I try to digest the essence of the message of the book. I hope that you have peaceful moments as you continue to read, when even interesting details of history (a history in itself that is unique) can start to take a bit of a back seat to the connection with God that really strengthens as the whole of the message is absorbed. All the best to you in your reading and pondering.
Unfortunately for Mormonism.. the actual truth is .. your feelings and personal experiences don't make the Book of Mormon "TRUE" ... otherwise, the Koran would also be a "TRUE BOOK" because millions upon millions of Muslims say they have the same EXACT feelings - with the same EXACT testimony - when reading the KORAN as Mormon have reading the Book of Mormon. So so sad yet so revealing...
The actual truth is honesty and integrity are far more precious then proven lies designed to make you feel special and important ...
God has proven the Book of Mormon to be obviously plagiarized from several other books including approximately 30 percent directly from the 1828 King James Bible. Translation errors found in the 1828 King James Version match exactly with the Book of Mormon errors. Proving the author of the Book of Mormon directly copied the words from the 1828 King James Bible.
Proving - yet again - definitively the Book of Mormon was plagiarized between 1828 and 1830. Not to mention the endless anachronisms continuously found throughout the Book of Mormon from metal coins, armor, wheeled chariots, steel weapons, plants and domestic animals, etc etc etc. ... dating the book in the early 19th century.
Anyone actually honest with themselves and with God clearly can see God slapping them in the face with the obvious truth.
In my 50 years as a active "temple recommended holding" Mormon, I read the Book of Mormon dozens of times on my mission in NZ and dozen more times through out my life ...through years of study, pondering, prayer and fasting - God had touched my heart, mind and soul.. the Spirit of God has clearly and plainly spoke to me saying "The Book of Mormon is a massive sham" ... "God will not be mocked" .. God has clearly revealed the Book of Mormon to be false in every way it can be looked at.
Couple those facts with the FACT the Mormon leaders are documented, verified proven liars of Mormon history doctrines AND finances... God has clearly proven to ALL the world Mormonism is "false gospel" about a "false christ" taught by "false prophets".
The Mormon leaders teach you and the whole world about a totally different false jesus and false god.
Anyone that is actually honest with themselves and with God can clearly and plainly see the obvious difference between the True “One and Only God” Jesus Christ, taught by Gods Own Words in the Bible - and the false Mormon gods taught by the Mormon leaders.
Unfortunately, The Actual Fact Is, the Mormon god does not exist...
The Mormon god once was a mortal man, lives near a star called kolob, likely has many many wives that bare billions of his children, and is the literal father of Satan, and the Mormon god “ironically” teaches Mormons can become gods EXACTLY like Satan desires to be a god! Mormonism literally worships a false god.
As Aposed to The True and Living Jesus Christ who is literally The One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world! True Christians follow the one and ONLY Lord, God and savior Jesus Christ... not the false Mormon christ who is Satan’s bother.
In other words.. the Mormon god and the Mormon jesus literally do not exist. And the Mormon leaders have deceived most their followers into believing the false Mormon christ is the same Jesus as the True Christian GOD, Jesus Christ....
The Mormon false prophets KNOW “full well” the Mormon "christ" they teach and preach about is not - AT ALL - the same as the ONE and ONLY True and Living God Jesus Christ....
The Mormon leaders are unfortunately lying with horrible manipulation and KNOW full well they are deceiving their members. The Mormon leaders fulfill scripture right before your very eyes.
Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel (Moroni) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that was which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man (Joseph Smith) preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs (brother of Satan), and false prophets (Mormon leaders), and shall shew great signs and wonders (book of Mormon); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (you).
I know, I was once just like you... you are taught to speak as though the Mormon jesus is the same True Christian Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ - and yet Mormonism literally teaches Jesus and his Atoning sacrifice on the cross ALONE Is NOT enough to save mankind. Mormonism teaches you MUST pay the Mormon church - in order to enter the Mormon temple - in order to receive “saving ordinances” - in order to be “saved” in the highest Mormon heaven. Then “maybe” the Mormon jesus will save them … maybe.
To teach this false doctrine is literally teaching Jesus is NOT enough to save you. Mormonism literally teaches YOU MUST do all these other things… and even then still - Mormons never “know” if they have done “enough” to be saved.
Mormonism literally takes down the cross of Jesus and hides it away - then puts up a giant “man angel” on top their temples.
Then the Mormon leaders deceptively steal the name of our Lord God Jesus Christ and place it in the name of their church - and AGAIN - “deceive the elect with great signs and wonders” (Matt 24:24). The deception is clearly revealed!
The Mormon leaders teach, not only was their Mormon god once a mortal man, but his father and grandfather - on and on - were all once mortal men too (polytheism - endless gods). The Mormon leaders also teach they too can become a god EXACTLY like Satan desires to become a god! The deception is clearly revealed!
And yet Mormons continuously ignore or attempt to excuse away the absolute inexcusable facts - The Mormon leaders are documented, verified and proven liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances… they are proven LIARS and deceivers…
… And Sadly Mormonism acts exactly like the ancient Israelites- as God has revealed in these last days the FULL truth of Mormonism’s lies and manipulation… it is literally like God sending mana from heaven, and Mormons refuse to eat, or Moses and his serpent staff, and Mormons refuse to look!
So so sad, yet so so revealing.
We truly pray that God will give you and all Mormons “eyes to see” and “ears to hear” the true gospel of Jesus Christ filled with unconditional love and grace. We pray in HIS name Jesus Christ, amen
Jesus is enough
Hi Fellow LDS. Pastor has another channel. It is specific to his Protestant followers. His comments are VERY different. He uses his studying of the Book of Mormon, then RIPS on it in his other channel. Just giving you a heads up. He is not the nice person I used to think was good as you do in your comment. Example, He really Rips on the Book of Mormon saying it isn't necessary and says the BIBLE is all that is needed. While you and I understand that the Americas were isolated and needed their own church, leaders, and writings, the pastor clearly discriminates stating Book of Mormon NOT AT ALL NECESSARY and CONDEMNED it. You and I realize that all should have the word of Heavenly Father, However, the Protestants feel that is an abomination. It clearly offended me with his Hypocrisy and disingenuous comments on this channel. I have stopped watching his videos and only comment as in this situation. He is as has been stated "The DEVIL in Sheep Clothing". I suggest you watch the Conference talk from 1977 by Legrand Richards on youtube. He referenced a talk he had with a Catholic Cardinal. The Cardinal stated: It is either you or us because the Catholics X-Communicated the Protestants LONG ago when they apostatized and started their own church. It is a WONDERFUL talk. He is quite entertaining and very educational. The talk is "Earths crammed with heaven". It is OFFICIAL. Posted by the Church and on the Church CZcams channel.
"Either God wrote it or the Devil did."
There are so many religions in the world. Among Christian churches there are so many variations, with varying degrees of truth in each. I found them all to be confusing as I was growing up. My parents told me to find my own church and/or religion when I grew up. I took it seriously, that finding truth about God and Christ was important. I didn't even know if they existed for sure. After my son was born I felt the need to have religion in our lives to give us direction. I sincerely prayed to know. I told God that I didn't want to waste one single minute in any church that wasn't the one He preferred. I am so blessed that I didn't have any bias toward any specific church. Nothing seemed strange to me because it was different than I was used to. With this open mind and heart I waited for the answer to my prayer. I received the answer as to which church I should join. I learned what the Holy Spirit feels like when God answers our prayers. I am glad that I didn't reject the answer to my prayer because of preconceived notions. Tabula rasa is a good state of mind to be in when we begin to seek answers from God by prayer.
@@PetBunnyDebbie oh my "devil in sheep's clothing" ?? What the ?? The Mormon hypocrisy is breathtaking!
The Mormon leaders teach you and the whole world about a totally different false jesus and false god.
Anyone that is actually honest with themselves and with God can clearly and plainly see the obvious difference between the True “One and Only God” Jesus Christ, taught by Gods Own Words in the Bible - and the false Mormon gods taught by the Mormon leaders.
Unfortunately, The Actual Fact Is, the Mormon god does not exist...
The Mormon god once was a mortal man, lives near a star called kolob, likely has many many wives that bare billions of his children, and is the literal father of Satan, and the Mormon god “ironically” teaches Mormons can become gods EXACTLY like Satan desires to be a god! Mormonism literally worships a false god.
As Aposed to The True and Living Jesus Christ who is literally The One and Only God, creator of the universe and savior of the world! True Christians follow the one and ONLY Lord, God and savior Jesus Christ... not the false Mormon christ who is Satan’s bother.
In other words.. the Mormon god and the Mormon jesus literally do not exist. And the Mormon leaders have deceived most their followers into believing the false Mormon christ is the same Jesus as the True Christian GOD, Jesus Christ....
The Mormon false prophets KNOW “full well” the Mormon "christ" they teach and preach about is not - AT ALL - the same as the ONE and ONLY True and Living God Jesus Christ....
The Mormon leaders are unfortunately lying with horrible manipulation and KNOW full well they are deceiving their members. The Mormon leaders are the "wolves in sheep's clothing" and perfectly fulfill scripture right before your very eyes.
Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel (Moroni) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that was which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man (Joseph Smith) preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs (brother of Satan), and false prophets (Mormon leaders), and shall shew great signs and wonders (book of Mormon); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (you).
I know, I was once just like you... you are taught to speak as though the Mormon jesus is the same True Christian Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ - and yet Mormonism literally teaches Jesus and his Atoning sacrifice on the cross ALONE Is NOT enough to save mankind. Mormonism teaches you MUST pay the Mormon church - in order to enter the Mormon temple - in order to receive “saving ordinances” - in order to be “saved” in the highest Mormon heaven. Then “maybe” the Mormon jesus will save them … maybe.
To teach this false doctrine is literally teaching Jesus is NOT enough to save you. Mormonism literally teaches YOU MUST do all these other things… and even then still - Mormons never “know” if they have done “enough” to be saved.
Mormonism literally takes down the cross of Jesus and hides it away - then puts up a giant “man angel” on top their temples.
Then the Mormon leaders deceptively steal the name of our Lord God Jesus Christ and place it in the name of their church - and AGAIN - “deceive the elect with great signs and wonders” (Matt 24:24). The deception is clearly revealed!
The Mormon leaders teach, not only was their Mormon god once a mortal man, but his father and grandfather - on and on - were all once mortal men too (polytheism - endless gods). The Mormon leaders also teach they too can become a god EXACTLY like Satan desires to become a god! The deception is clearly revealed!
And yet Mormons continuously ignore or attempt to excuse away the absolute inexcusable facts - The Mormon leaders are documented, verified and proven liars of Mormon history, doctrines and finances… they are proven LIARS and deceivers…
… And Sadly Mormonism acts exactly like the ancient Israelites- as God has revealed in these last days the FULL truth of Mormonism’s lies and manipulation… it is literally like God sending mana from heaven, and Mormons refuse to eat, or Moses and his serpent staff, and Mormons refuse to look!
So so sad, yet so so revealing.
We truly pray that God will give you and all Mormons “eyes to see” and “ears to hear” the true gospel of Jesus Christ filled with unconditional love and grace. We pray in HIS name Jesus Christ, amen
Jesus is enough
@@PetBunnyDebbie There is a Math Procedure to find the true church of God.
1. The church must be organized as in the NEW Testament. With, Prophet at the head, at that time Christ, 12 Apostles, etc. You can reverence from the New Testament. It MUST be a NON paid Clergy. This is Why Christ was killed. The many churches were ANGERED at Christ destroying the Merchants in the Church buildings and temples in addition to taking away followers. It can't be a popular church. The church in the NEW Testament, and Old Testament, was generally hated, despised, and persecuted. The church must have some KIND of Claim to the Authority and the Priesthood. Catholics claim it, but the new Testament makes it clear there was a complete and total death of the church and priesthood. Once the Priesthood was Gone, a Proper Restoration by Christ and Melchizedek was necessary. So, any modern church must be a RESTORED church with PROPER Priesthood AUTHORITY . There is only ONE church on earth today that meets all the requirements. And, that Church is both HATED and RESPECTED. Don't let your emotions sway you. If you find a church that is Identical to the Foundation of the Church at the time of Christ, priesthood, Non paid Clergy, No collecting Money at church, Helps the world, it generally hated by most other religion you have a good starting point. Last, The Lutherans church belongs to Luther. The Church is going to be named after Christ or it is a church of man. It some how will be distinguished as a modern restoration of the original.
It's really cool to see someone who has thoroughly studied the Bible analyze the Book of Mormon. Keep it up!
As far as the compass that’s referred to, nephi is talking of the liahona (the ball he referred to). It guided nephi and his family like a compass would depend on theirs faith. The word compass is thought to just refer to it without using its name. Likely nephi used a word who’s best translation into English was compass despite that not actually being what it was
Yes, it is introduced in Ch 16. Compass/director/ball/Liahona are synonymous and all refer to the same thing.
It might also have been referring to something called an astrolabe. They were common in the time to navigate land terrain for food, and could have been given to Lehi as the father of the of one being married when he first received it. I have done some research and this seems to possibly have been a tradition to present a gift for a union like was happening.
But the Liahona did have a needle which pointed the direction or way they should go, like a compass. Consider that many liken the temporal performance of the Liahona and the family’s interactions with it to the way the Holy Ghost interacts with us today and how we must behave to enjoy guidance from the Spirit.
I would love to see you sit down with Jared Halverson. His podcast is called Unshaken. He has so much love, respect, and admiration for other Christian Faiths. He even attended divinity school. It would be fascinating to listen to a conversation between Pastor Jeff and professor Halverson.
Oh my goodness, @katmmcdonald I completely agree. I would be faaaaascinated to see a conversation between the two of them! Jared is my favorite, and I could see them both truly loving each other and having the most wonderful interaction. :)
Best comment here! Completely agree!
I was going to comment this! Jared is awesome and I'm sure they would have some amazing conversations.
Absolutely would love to see this happen!!
We need to make this viral! @Hello Saints, please do this!
Just a comment on a broader perspective on who could be considered the Church of the Lamb. This was just shared by President Dallen H Oaks in the October 2022 General Conference "As one of our Apostles observed: 'God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of his great and marvelous work. … It is too vast, too arduous, for any one people.'" Many of our brothers and sisters in Christ are part of the Lord's work.
This is a good point. I've always thought as the Church of the Lamb basically Christians or people who follow God and Christ. And the the Great and Abominable church as the world and Satan's hold over people of the world, people who do not follow Christ and philosophies of men.
This sounds great and all, but let's be honest... when it comes down to it, the "Church of the Lamb" funnels everything down into "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" being the pure fountain of truth, authority and ordinances necessary for salvation and exaltation.
If you don't agree, let's not forget how quickly you will be labeled as "deceived", "prideful" or "wicked". The LDS faith is full of double-speak (more like multi-speak) to try and cover its bases.
If you want to go into the nuance of the things Dallin H. Oaks teaches about things like "Truth", I'd watch Jonathan Streeter's "Thinker of Thoughts" episodes on CZcams regarding these topics.
@@wess8346 💯
@@bonojennett bravo! You explained it so well! I'm ex-mo, but I was born and raised in the church, and graduated from Seminary, and we were always taught specifically that the LDS church is the church of the Lamb of God, and all other churches were the whores 🤣
So I find it comical when church leaders whine and complain when other church aren't accepting of the LDS church, when all they do is talk smack about other churches. They just want to be accepted, but the leaders are not as accepting as they make themselves out to be. Like you said, there is A LOT of double speak.
I believe the two "churches" are defined in 13:5-9 and then 12,15,16. Abominable church is individuals who desire the trappings of wealth, harlots, and praise of the world. They slay, torture, destroy, and binds the saints with a yoke of iron (worldly power). Church of the Lamb of God is those who heed the spirit of God and humble themselves before the Lord.
To those who were taught opinions as if they were doctrine, I hear you. The less we know, the more sure we are that our interpretation is the only interpretation. Sorry, that is a very human thing. Peace.
I am SO impressed, as a Latter Day Saint, by the thoughtful and comprehensive approach you are taking in your study of this book that I hold dear. Honestly, it is inspiring to me. I must admit to feeling maybe a bit of guilt for not engaging in a more methodical approach as I certainly should!
However, I do want to point out that, my feelings about the Book of Mormon have evolved as the dynamics of my life shift and different issues arise. I find that there is a power in this book. It speaks to my specific and changing needs- in real time! Ultimately, breaking the book down to make sense to me on all levels is not what shaped my belief. It is The Spirit that manifests its truth. I can’t deny this.
“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.”-James 1:5
When I was a Mormon, I read the Book of Mormon 4 times. I became a Christian at 19 and started looking into Orthodoxy❤️☦️
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are Christians. You here are implying that we aren’t.
Sadly many ex-LDS become Atheists or Agnostics. There is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Ancient Christianity is proven to have never fully fallen away and the "Great Apostasy" to be false. Jesus said clearly that the gates of hell would never overcome His Church and that His word will never pass away.
As a former Atheist the Bible was proven true even as I came to it from an antagonistic standpoint.
If a text or record claims to be both ancient and holy, it needs to pass two tests. The first test is related to antiquity.
It must do this before it can hope to qualify in the second test which is if the test is truly holy or from God. Having gone through my own experience with the Quran, writings of Ellen G. White, and the Last Testament I can honestly say that while prayer might be one way to determine if an ancient holy book is holy or at the very least spiritual, this can never prove if it is true. Spiritual yes but true no.
To determine if it is indeed true it must first be verified if an ancient holy book is ancient first. It is beyond foolish to attempt to answer questions about divinity before we answer questions about antiquity. If a text is lying to us about events in the ancient past, it cannot be from God, period. No matter how powerful a supernatural conviction hits us or feelings of peace. After all, a book cannot be holy or divine if it is lying about ancient history. This is something I learned with the Quran and the Great Controversy. They are both proven false on the basis of history thus they are proven false no matter how powerful the spiritual conviction. The Old Testament and New Testament are a completely different story.
The New Testament has over 5,800 ancient Greek manuscripts supporting its authenticity, archeology supporting it definitively, literary evidence in countless extra biblical witnesses (for and against Jesus), dna evidence, added on top of the spiritual evidence.
Two BYU professors have shared startling statements on the authenticity of the two collections we now call the Bible.
“One can disagree with the textual assumptions behind some of the modern translations of the New Testament and still not be overly concerned with differences that are immaterial. For a book to undergo progressive uncovering of its manuscript history and come out with so little debatable in its text is a great tribute to its essential authenticity. First, no new manuscript discovery has produced serious differences in the essential story. This survey has disclosed the leading textual controversies, and together they would be well within one percent of the text. Stated differently, all manuscripts agree on the essential correctness of 99 percent of all the verses in the New Testament. The second great fact that such a survey demonstrates is the progress that has placed the world in possession of manuscripts very near to the time of their writing. One would have to be a student of ancient history to appreciate how much superior the New Testament is to any other any book in its manuscript tradition”
Lloyd Anderson (Brigham Young University Professor)
Manuscript Discoveries of the New Testament in Perspective,
Papers of the Fourteenth Annual Symposium on the Archaeology of the Scriptures,
Presented April 13, 1963, pp. 57-58
"When we consider the ancient methods of transmitting texts by hand, we realize that the Bible went through a remarkable process to make it into this century. The Dead Sea Scrolls stand as a witness that the Old Testament has been passed down through the centuries with a respectable degree of accuracy."
Donald W. Parry (Professor of Hebrew Bible at Brigham Young University)
The Dead Sea Scrolls-Window to the Modern Bible
Ensign - December 2014
We can trust fully in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. It does help to read the Apostolic Fathers and the 2nd and 3rd century Church Fathers because it proves that the Church never fell away fully. At times there has been need to return to the original view of God's unmerited favor and the free gift of Eternal Life with Him. However the Church itself as the body of Christ (not a specific organization) has always been guided by the Holy Spirit and never lost the authority of Heavenly Father, it never fell away.
Let's gooo!! Orthodoxy is the way. No need for a "restoration" when you're a member of the church Christ founded!
I too have watched all of your Hello Saints podcasts, have been LDS for 40 years, and REALLY appreciate your approach, search for truth, and Christian insights. I have many close Christian friends with whom I have had similar discussions to what you present herein and, with my heart full, feel as though you are doing a very honest effort here and I definitely feel your spirit. May God continue to guide you with His grace in your efforts and in the way you present your podcast evaluations of what we believe.
Hello Jeff,
I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ my whole life and I have enjoyed following your journey. Your sincerity, honesty, and openness is refreshing. I appreciate your use of hermeneutics, rigor is a critical element of “seeking”. I would love to hear your reaction to the existence of chiasmus in 1st & 2nd Nephi. Thank you for work and my God bless you in your quest.
but the worst part is this book is 100% fiction and members are discouraged, even admonished from placing geographical locations to the fiction contained within it. Doesn't that sit wrong with you? We can actually visit the places contained in the bible, but you just have to have a burning in your bosom to be able to believe anything contained in the BoM. It's very tragic
@@matthew24eleven "Your sincerity, honesty, and openness is refreshing." Agree 100%, thank you Jeff, enjoying the journey with you!
Hi Jesse. I've been a member of people not treated well by Mormons, and I have enjoyed reading your CZcams comment. I enjoy following your journey of posting a CZcams comment.
Anyways Jesse. I'm curious about your feelings on the failed DC84 Temple prophecy, where Joseph Smith makes a prophecy that their generation will not pass before a temple is built in Missouri. Then the Mormons are ran out of Missouri, and the temple is never built, and still isn't built. God predicted he would see "a cloud rest" upon the temple. How do you explain this failed prophecy?
Also why did Brigham Young steal a wife and mother from her family, impregnate her (while sending her real active husband away on LDS missions), and then ignore her after she had his baby. How do you contend with the fact that Brigham Young impregnated a woman who already had a husband and two children with her own family? How can you possibly say Brigham didn't trick a woman into committing adultery? (We are talking about Zina Diantha Huntington).
If you have any explanation for why Zina and Brigham's child wasn't a product of adultery, I would love to hear your explanation.
Thanks friend.
@@matthew24eleven I completely agree with you
@@matthew24eleven bro I ask you to please be respectful, and to add to you it Sayed in it that all the things built in that time were destroyed because of the wicked destroyed themselves.
Also something to note is Nephi felt extremely uncomfortable with the direction to kill Laban and I think it's important to note what God's response is in verses 11-13, especially when he says "behold the lord slayeth the wicked to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief."
Someone might have said this already but Nephi's mention of the "compass" was his reference to the round ball the Lehi found in 1 Nephi 16 verse 10, which we later learn in Alma 37 verse 38 was called the "Liahona."
Thank you for bringing that up, I almost forgot that it wasn't initially mentioned earlier on
The meat and potatoes of your channel is now here. I have been looking forward to you reading the Book of Mormon this whole time! You are educated in a way that makes me very interested to hear your thoughts on the books and the lessons they teach. You are being prayerful and respectful. I think you'll come out of this with something useful even if you love or hate your experience. Thanks again for what you are doing.
Watching your experience reading the Book of Mormon with every single one of your compliments, critiques, concerns, and insights has been such a spiritual experience for me.
Absolutely love this and hope you read through the whole thing
@@anonymoustruth5950 that has overwhelmingly not been my experience
Please keep making these! Thank you for the approach you are taking:) ❤
I stumbled upon this this morning. I am a Latter-Day-Saint. I am also a Lamanite (Mexican). The white thing... we who are of color have within our own culture a prejudice, if you will. There are "black" Mexicans (those who are very dark), and "white" Mexicans, who are obviously lighter skinned. My grandmother was so fair that she was able to sit at the front of movie theaters back in the late thirties and early forties, while my grandfather, a "black" Mexican, had to sit in the back (they were from Los Angeles). I personally feel this is what they are speaking about when they describe Mary as "white". In our cultures, lighter skinned people were looked upon more favorably.
Hi I'm an 18 year old latter day saint. And I have to say, I've watched every one of your videos and I have an extreme respect for you and what you're doing. In Sunday school I was always taught the idea that the churches aren't literal churches per say, they refer more to those who love God and want to serve him. And those that see his work on the earth and still deny him. Also, in the BOM, "whiteness" has more do do with holiness or holy light and much less to do with actual color. Please keep doing what you're doing!
If you look at the context in which the BoM was written, I can't possibly think that "whiteness = purity" can mean anything other than skin color
@@shishsquared Whiteness has always meant purity in religious context. It's the reason the pope wears white and the reason that LDS temple clothes are white, and Christ wore white after his resurrection. But you are free to believe whatever you want. I don't think anyone has ever been converted in the CZcams comment section lol
@@shishsquared I'll reply in a bit and show you how it'd be impossible to refer to skin color here
@@EnlightAinment101 This man honestly approaches our religion from a deep background in evangelical religions. He is being respectful and educating all who want to know about the church. He is honest and sincere. If he continues in this fashion then only good can come from it. Fighting criticism with curiosity is a lesson we can all learn from and try to replicate. I live and have grown up in the southern Bible belt. I have delt with many evangelicals, some are my best friends, and some dislike me for my beliefs. Jeff is not like them, he is sincere and is very open about the church and unbiased in the way he presents info. This kind of channel is exactly what the world needs right now.
@@shishsquared You should check out Marvin Perkins then. White is a Hebrew idiom for purity, and blackness for misery.
I've always understood that the "compass" mentioned in chapter 18 is the ball or director (later referred to as the Liahona) that Lehi received in chapter 16.
Also, I 100% agree with your opinion of Leviticus. The most bored I've ever been while studying the Old Testament was getting through Leviticus chapter 13.
Had Pastor McCullough checked the footnote for 1 Nephi 18:12, he would have found the answer you provided. That footnote would have taken him to clarity at 2 Nephi 5:12 and Alma 37:38-47. I'd say the pastor needs to spend a bit more time studying before he comments.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr To understand what one is reading or hearing, one must understand the meaning of words as used by the writer or speaker. That's why there was a footnote for the word, "compass". He/she who ignores the footnotes looses a lot of context and background. Our good pastor need not "study it to death before commenting", but he should at least take a look at a few footnotes, especially when what he is perceiving is puzzling.
@@BlaineNay Perhaps he is reading the scriptural components only, and not thinking footnotes carry the same weight as scripture.
I actually like the details in Leviticus. 😄 Interesting what people prefer.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr You know the answer. The communication failure is on our end.
You know what I like about the Book of Mormon? In the Bible - there is approximately a 400 year gap between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Did God stop talking to man or prophets? The Book of Mormon covers that 400 year gap and shows God did not stop talking to men or prophets and that HE loves us so much HE wants to give us HIS words and teaching. I love the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Book of Mormon and can't wait till HE gives us more scriptures.
I think that you're being very fair and with a great spirit. I am LDS and I've never seen a preacher give such a great review. Thank you.
Thank you for your fair assessment from your "first read" of First Nephi. It would be interesting to have a 20 minute Q&A video with one of your Latter-day Saint friends (bishop, stake president, or seminary teacher) and get their responses/reactions to your questions. You are doing an amazing ministry. An early LDS leader (Orson Whitney) said in 1928, “God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of His great and marvelous work... It is too vast, too arduous, for any one people”. Concerning this statement, Dallin Oaks (LDS apostle) recently said "we need to be more aware and more appreciative of the service of others" (not of our faith).
I pray your ministry is breaking down stereotypes and prejudices (on both sides) where we can accomplish God's work together.
Hi, I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and thank you! I would like to address two of your concerns. 1) 1st Nephi 11:13 - refers to the word 'white', cross reference that with 1st Nephi 12: 10-11, also refers to the word 'white'. Nephi uses the word white as we would understand pure, or clean, those would be synonyms and you could essentially read 1N 11:13 as "exceedingly fair and" 'pure', or "exceedingly fair and" 'clean'. And 1N 12:10, "for because of their faith in the Lamb of God their garments are made 'pure or clean' in his blood". Same for verse 11. Imagine the level of cleanliness Mary the mother of Jesus Christ had to be for Jesus Christ to be born of her, I believe she was virtuous. 2) the word 'compass' in 1N 18: 12 & 21 refers to the 'ball' or 'director' referred to in 1N 16: 10, 16 that worked according to Faith and Diligence and did not work when the families faith and diligence dwindled, you're correct, a magnetic compass that aligns north-south wasn't available at that time.
Hope that helps your concerns!
The compass is the Liahona, the ball they found in the desert. Joseph's word, I'm sure, since he was interpreting what he was seeing. Also, Nephi's comments on the fineness of the sword of Laban, his understanding of ore, and the wealth his family initially had gives me the idea that they were metal workers. So them finding and using metals makes sense to me.
My understanding is that Lehi also named his sons from multiple languages, which made me think he might be a merchant (along with his wealth and Nephi's knowledge of how to make tools from ore. If I remember correctly, Laman and Lemuel are Aramaic in origin, Sam and Nephi are Egyptian, and the two sons he had after they left Jerusalem, Jacob and Joseph, are finally of Hebrew origin. And, Nephi talks about being taught both Hebrew and Egyptian, and later in the book it's mentioned by Mormon that both languages were modified by their people, which is what is meant by "reformed Egyptian", and that they would have written the record in Hebrew if the plates had been large enough, so the Egyptian was more compact than the Hebrew.
My understanding of the great and abominable church is this quote from a prior church leader:
"The titles church of the devil and great and abominable church are used to identify all churches or organizations of whatever name or nature - whether political, philosophical, educational, economic social, fraternal, civic, or religious - which are designed to take men on a course that leads away from God and his laws and thus from salvation in the kingdom of God."
Bruce R McKonkie
McKonkie also speaks about the skin color issue. Also check out his comments on that.
You’re really respectful and honest in your reading and questioning. I appreciate your approach.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I really appreciate your honest search for truth and respectful attitude in discussing the BoM. I would definitely attend your church if I was in the area, I'm curious to know if other members in your town are doing just that. Lookin forward to 2 Nephi and the rest of your reactions.
Love this! I’d love to see specifics that you like along with the ones you have questions about or don’t like. You’re doing a great job being respectful and inquisitive, while being honest and true to your perspective.
Hello Jeff! I am a Filipino Member of the Church of Latter-Day Saints. I joined the Church when I was 9 years old. I serve my full-time mission. It was the best two years of my life. Preaching the Gospel and finding joy in the service of my Savior and help those who are hopeless to find strength and hope through Jesus Christ . I read the book many times. I never tired reading it again and again. I enjoyed reading it. It's not boring. It threngthen my Faith to Jesus Christ that he was the promised Savior and Redeemer of the world, without Him you and I are nothing. We cannot be save in the Kingdom of God without Him.
Honestly I am enjoying listening to your podcast. It helps me more broaden my knowledge and understanding.
There is a promise in the Book Mormon that as you read it you can learn line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. You cannot learn the book overnight alone. But as you read it over time the spirit of the Lord will help you open the mysteries on your view. I thank my God for continuously loving his Children through revelation to his prophet and appstles, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret to unto His servant the prophet (see Amos 3:7) and the Book Mormon is one of those, For God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Thank you for what you do and More power to your program. I hope many more people in the world will inspire and search for the truthfulness Book of Mormon. The scripture says, The truth shall make you free ☺️.
I like the premise of your channel. I believe we don’t have to think alike to be friends. Thank you for making the effort to understand the Latter-day Saint religion and extending a hand of friendship. I like knowing what other religions believe as well. I appreciate your insights and your efforts.
Hi Jeff, regarding historical criticism. I recommend searching CZcams for "Nahom Book of Mormon". There are many external evidences that have been discovered since the Book of Mormon was released. Of course the only evidence that really matters is direct evidence from God to us personally. Side note: the compass that is referred to is the Liahona. Lingustic evidence is another, for example the written language of the Mi'kmaq Native Americans compared with Egyptian and the Anthon transcript. I recommend searching "Wayne May Book of Mormon" for additional examples of archeological / historical / linguistic evidences of the Book of Mormon. As we know archeological and scientific knowledge continues to expand and evolve and I'm sure there will continue to be new discoveries as time progresses.
In regards to commanding one person to kill another. Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son.
Your thoughts mirrored mine very closely when I was reading 1 Nephi. Great job explaining your thinking process!
Pastor Jeff, I think when Nephi says Compass, it refers to the ball or Liahona they had because it was what worked as a compass and would lead them throughout the wilderness.
Yes, it's very clear. 1 Nephi 16:28 says that it directs them according to their faith and it leads them; later their "compass" stops working when Laman, Lemuel, and sons of Ishmael take over the boat. No name is given for the tool until much later in the Book of Mormon, but it's the same tool.
Had Pastor McCullough checked the footnote for 1 Nephi 18:12, he would have found the answer you provided. That footnote would have taken him to clarity at 2 Nephi 5:12 and Alma 37:38-47. I'd say the pastor needs to spend a bit more time studying before he comments.
Disingenuous by pointing to honest questions that popped up in my reading… and expressing a desire to study those details further? Interesting take. Either way, thanks for watching.
@@EnlightAinment101 member here, he covers his own impressions of 1 Nephi in 20 minutes. That's hardly enough time to do a play by play. He was going over a few things that, as one who is discovering, raised an eyebrow. I feel he's being honest and inquisitive here, not disingenuous.
No offense to Pastor Jeff, but if you believe he has the power to 'catapult us or kill our church's light', you must not have strong enough faith that the gospel can stand on its own legs.
@@EnlightAinment101 I wasn't aware it had a name nor that was what it was called. For the record, Jeff has made it very clear his background and the lense through which he is approaching this. As to Laban, what he said was that he was unaware of any time in the Bible where God commanded someone to kill. And that's fine. Again, he's coming at this from a different lens. The 9th Article of Faith comes to mind. While we believe all that God has revealed, does reveal, and will yet reveal, many of our Christian brethren believe the canon of scripture to be closed, that God has said all that He needed to in the Bible and that it is complete as is. While we disagree on this premise, I do not think Pastor Jeff was being disingenuous here. As to people leaving the church (we have many joining as well), there are critics everywhere. Those who are genuinely curious will do their research (as I truly believe Pastor Jeff is doing). As they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. If you need a comparison for those actively trying to destroy the church, these pages are easy to find and have a stark contrast to this content, here. Have faith, brother.
I love truth fiinding. Thank you for your time and your honest, open-minded study.
My interpretation of the church of the Lamb of God is ANY church of the Lamb of God. The abomination would be any church or person that contradicts the teachings of Christ.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and from my view, we share a common purpose and respect with any religion that teaches of Christ and practices those teachings. Where there is disrespect or lack of union from anyone, it is not of Christ, and not of His church. Everyone, at times, is of the abominable church, behaving contrary to Christ, by being judgemental, unkind, dishonest, selfish, uncaring, etc.
Another consideration that many who are investigating the LDS faith miss, is that the Book of Mormon was not intended to stand in opposition to the Bible, but serves as a second witness as to the truths contained in the Bible. So comparatively, they should both be very similar in many ways.
I’m so glad that someone like yourself which is so well read and versed in the Bible is seeing so many similarities between both sacred texts.
Pastor Jeff, I'm so excited for you! I love, love, love your approach, your open mindedness, your search for spiritual meaning and truth and also your critical approach to reading the Book of Mormon. All of these are such good tools! I also think you have a huge advantage over many Latter-day Saints when reading the Book of Mormon because you have such a deep knowledge of the Bible, both Old and New Testament. I loved that you could see parallels between the books. One of my favorite things is when verses or passages of scripture give additional meaning to other verses of passages. I have loved hearing about your experience and your perspective s so much. Please, don't let haters or critical commenters deter you! This is an amazing journey you are on. Thank you for sharing.
@@LatterDaisySaint The underlying assumption is that when Pastor Jeff prays to be shown the truth, he is inviting the Holy Ghost to teach him. All of the tools and knowledge he gained at divinity school will work in concert with the Holy Ghost and he will have a greater understanding. As members, we tend to read too much into "as far as the Bible is translated correctly" and not put too much effort into learning from the Bible. We think we know it all from the Book of Mormon. But having put a little more work in my study of the Bible over the last few years, my understanding of and love for the Book of Mormon has increased. I love the effort Pastor Jeff is putting into his study of the Book of Mormon.
My wife and I have been following you. God bless you. We watched your video this morning and while I was studying the topic of man’s premortal existence, I just happened to come across the following. Proverbs 8:22-31 notice in verse 27 the word, compass. According to James Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the word compass there is translated from the Hebrew word, chuwg, pronounced, khoog, meaning, a circle:-circle circuit, compass.
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Hi Robert- if you read Proverbs 8 starting verse 1- the subject of the whole chapter is Wisdom. This is not about man's pre-existence but Wisdom in metaphor as a person.
I'm so grateful for your channel. I know that I've commented before, but I just felt the need to express my gratitude for this series. I am a member of the LDS church that is in a deconstructing/rebuilding space in my faith. It's been a very harrowing - and very lonely - experience. I feel like I have one foot in and one foot out sometimes. As I watch this series, I feel like we've been buddies learning about the LDS faith together and it has just been soooo comforting :') It's been so nice to return to the basics of my faith and to be able to see it through a different lens. It's been so refreshing! Sometimes its hard to see the forest through the trees, so thank you. Thank you for sharing!
@ktsempai1106 So happy you are on this journey!
I love your testimony of the Bible. I can tell you have truly gained a great understanding of Christ through your study of the Old and new New Testaments. Great Channel and excited to be following you through your reading of the Book of Mormon.
I think the part of your video I loved the most was your perspective on the promised land motif. It really resonated with me, and I look at spiritual insights like that as a form of personal revelation, especially when applied to our individual lives. I understand the desire to look at scripture through an academic lens, but I think scripture is primarily meant to be read through a spiritual lens. Like Nephi says, “for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.”
I’m just incredibly grateful that you’re doing these videos! To my knowledge, I can’t think of another Book of Mormon video series like this, and I’m having so much fun watching them! I’m learning a ton, and you’re inspiring me to be more Christ-like by seeking to understand and empathize with others. Looking forward to watching more of your content, and can’t wait for 2 Nephi!
Thank you for your respectful and thoughtful approach to this challenging topic and book! My two cents: on the "two churches" piece. I have pondered and studied much on this and my current understanding of this is really a fundamental good vs evil thing. There are amazing people in all walks of life, all manner of religions. People that are doing good, being a light (imperfect, of course, but GOOD to the core). They, to me, represent the Church or people of God or people of Christ. Then there are those that seem to embrace darkness, peddle evil, hurt and harm others intentionally, seek selfish gains, abuse and harm people, that have hard hearts and no or little love in them. They represent the church of the devil, evil, and spiritual/moral darkness. I have friends and such from all walks of life that radiate Christ like love to those around them. Sometimes these fine humans don't even know how much of that light they share. Just my two cents.
We’ll said!
Amen. The scripture about serving two masters comes to mind. If you aren’t aligned with one side then your on the other. Can’t be neutral.
Thank you for sharing your unique perspectives! I love sharing this journey with you and witnessing your loving candor.
I just want to say thank you for the respectful manner you make all your videos. It’s actually really interesting to listen to your objective outside views! Thank you. If I were ever in your area I am sure attending with your congregation would be very enjoyable.
The compass mentioned by Nephi appears in 1Nephi 16:10. It was found outside Lehi's tent. And it only worked according to their obedience. Alma 37:38 later describes that this devise was interpreted as a compass.
Had Pastor McCullough checked the footnote for 1 Nephi 18:12, he would have found the answer you provided. That footnote would have taken him to clarity at 2 Nephi 5:12 and Alma 37:38-47. I'd say the pastor needs to spend a bit more time studying before he comments.
@@BlaineNay I'm pretty sure he knew what the 'compass' was, it was the word choice that was the issue. It is worth noting that The Book of Mormon was translated for modern readers, and words like these are used for comprehension, whether they were the words Nephi would have used personally.
The liahona (while not a magnetic compass) is a guide and also a powerful metaphor for the gift from God of the holy ghost, who guides us based on the faith and heed we give to that guidance. There are times in the journey when the liahona did not function.
“fair and white” is definitely not referring to her skin. White is synonymous with righteousness. She was choice beyond all others, so Nephi is referring to her standing with God.
True, in the scriptures white is also synonymous with purity. This is the mindset I use whenever scriptures use white or black to think of righteousness versus unrighteousness.
That honestly sounds like a cop-out
@@shishsquared it’s going to sound like what you want it to.
Came to say this, it wasn't until the 1800 that the idea of white referred to skin.
czcams.com/video/i_UsOPZ_-uI/video.html
Even if the Book of Mormon says things about the "great and abominable church", it isn't our job as saints to draw conclusion or judgement from that towards individuals or individual churches. Lots of really great people attend many different churches and they are our friends and neighbors. Also, loving the breakdown of 1st Nephi. Useful stuff!
Joseph Smith was told in the First Vision that all the creeds of the churches were an abomination so its easy to identify the abominable churches.
@@tony-northcountry3272 It isn't neighborly to say to people "hey, you're a part of the great abominable church." That isn't respectful.
@@BoyNamedKelly I agree. It's not nice to say upfront that a person belongs to one of the abominable churches. But they figure it out when they read the First Vision account.
First Nephi is taking place about the same time as Daniel so I loved the correlation that you made.
Pastor Jeff, like most of the rest of your audience, I'm am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I *sincerely* appreciate what you're doing! It's actually nice to hear about my Church from a fresh perspective, without the threat of attack. 😊 I also really appreciate that you dedicated time to read the Book of Mormon. A couple of insights ... I read some other commenters mention these subjects, I just want to expand some more:
1. The compass is definitely not the type if compass we have nowadays. It was 100% dependent on Lehi's family's righteousness. And it was guided directly by the Lord, not by magnetism. 🙂
2. It is concerning that Nephi kills the wicked King Laban, but a couple notes on that. First, in Chapter 4 verse 10, Nephi states, "And it came to pass that I was constrained by the Spirit that I should kill Laban; but I said in my heart: Never at any time have I shed the blood of man. And I shrunk and would that I might not slay him." In the next verse it says that the Spirit told him again to do it, which he did then. Nephi did NOT WANT to kill, which personally I believe makes all the difference. If he HAD wanted to kill, that would have meant that Nephi himself was evil. Additionally, I want to emphasize what it says in verse 13: "... It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief." God loves His children!! You know that. What would have happened if there were no flood in the time of Noah? Thousands or maybe even millions of people may have dwindled in unbelief, then subsequently been lost for eternity. But God is merciful, & if He wants to remove someone in the way of another's salvation, He may choose to do so.
Thanks for what you're doing! 🙏🏼
Thank you for clarifying that!
It's interesting Pastor Jeff paused at the command to kill Laban. He's read the Old Testament and is surely familiar with all the scriptures about God commanding the Israelites to kill all the men, women, and children in parts of Canaan.
I love your insights...that whole chapter in Nephi came to me as an answer when deciding to take someone to court. I had never taken someone to court but they had indeed " taken away my goods and life". I love the BOM
Never a compass, the Liahona was an orb. Much like the Holy Hand Grenade. Rather than blowing Thine enemies to bits, it glows (I guess) in a certain hemisphere to point out where to go next. Like a Sith Wayfinder, again though Orbis Sovereign looking like thingy. Which, makes you wonder, are those royal ornaments based off the Liahona or, vice versa?
Also, verse 13: "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Given "🖖🏻" was originally a Jewish gesture, I suppose if the angel were a Seraphim or Cherubim, it might've even flashed the "Live Long and Prosper" gang sign when giving Nephi such logical advice. 🤔
I'm an LDS from South Africa, I love the approach you have taken towards learning about the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, glad you have emptied out all the noises and people's personal criticism about the church and came to learn on a clear fair approach mind. Thank you for attempting looking forward to other parts of the book of Mormon as you continue
The compass he is referring to is the ball that you talked about earlier. It was called the Liahona. In 1 Nephi 16:10 it describes the ball and its use. Also, in 1 Nephi 16: 28-29 explains that it works according to their faithfulness.
Great tone. Refreshingly lacking drama. Thank you
Well... all i can say is.. im so excited for you to read the whole thing, and get to the end of it.... It is literally the best book EVER.
CHRIS TRUTH WHERES YOUR SILLY COMMENT GONE TO MY BROTHER.. ANYWAYS.. i am a member of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, and i am SO PROUD TO BE A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. Who are you to tell me that im not.... thankyou and .. cyah :) lol
I can't wait for 2Nephi🤣. You really read quite a lot . I love chapter 6 it really highlights the most important purpose of the Book of Mormon which is to persuade everyone to come unto Christ❤
@@davidjanbaz7728 Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah. For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles.
I'm reminded of the story told by an apostle regarding a shooting incident in which a bullet hit a pocket copy of the book of mormon and was stopped by the Isaiah chapters in 2nd Nephi.... Suggesting that they stop everyone and everything. (I happen to like those chapters myself, but I laughed when I heard this story.)
@@davidjanbaz7728 because God has spoken on one continent He cannot communicate with another?
@@sagesaith6354 that wasn't my question, but thank you.
@@sagesaith6354 oh so before the Bible was compiled God was just silent in other nations? He didn't speak to anyone else and tell them to write? What a picky God
The book of Mosiah is my favorite. Some of the scriptures in there gave me much needed peace after struggling with a friend's suicide. I had big questions about God and if he existed and why bad things happen. The book of Mormon has such a special place in my heart because of my experience. Mosiah 4:9 to be specific but really the entire chapter
Hello Paster Jeff, wonderful approach and I love hearing your reactions. There are some things you may want to keep in mind as you consider this translation. First, Joseph didn't translate this the same way scholars translate the texts of the Bible. In fact, most of the time he wasn't even looking at the plates. He said that he translated it by the gift and power of God (he was a 23 year old farm boy with a 3rd grade education and lived in the frontier). Those who scribed for Joseph said that when they would stop for the day and pick up the next day, Joseph would never ask to have anything read back to him--he just picked up from where he left off. Since he wasn't a scholar or very educated, when he translates something like "Church" he isn't translating from Greek and not trying to translate like a normal scholar would from the reformed Egyptian characters. But, words would come to him that made sense to him in his setting and life experience. So, Church would naturally come to mind for him for a congregation or even synagogue. Here's a couple more points for you:
1. The Compass in chapter 18 is the Liahona that Lehi found earlier in the story
2. Regarding 2 churches (one of the devil and one of God), as you continue reading the Book of Mormon you will find passages that clarify this a bit by stating that anything that leads away from Christ is from the devil and anything that leads you to Christ is of God
I'm interested to see the rest of your journey. Since you are a trained bible scholar, you are probably familiar with Hebrew poetry. Pay attention throughout the Book of Mormon for Chiasmus (a very common form of ancient near east poetry). Some of the most beautiful and complex Chiasmus is found all throughout the Book of Mormon. Something that wasn't even understood by scholars of the west in the nineteenth century, and certainly not by an untrained 23 year old farm boy. Lastly, Joseph translated the entire Book of Mormon in 65 to 80 days with no notes--according to dozens of witnesses.
Thanks again!
Love point # 2! As a member I think this point needs to be kept in the hearts and minds by ALL members regularly! To not cast judgment on anyone, for any reason! Aren't you glad we are not one another's judges?
I really admire your approach to this, even if it is just to gain understanding. I have studied The Book of Mormon and the Bible my whole life. I will say this, they both have parts that cause some questions. You may see something about horses in the Book of Mormon that causes you to question it, or you might read a story in the Bible about a talking donkey that makes you wonder if that was real. I find that the approach is key. Am I reading this to build my faith and come closer to Christ, or am I reading this to be critical? I have seen many academic arguments and evidences that support the authenticity of The Book of Mormon. I have seen many arguments that try to refute it. I'm not saying that questions shouldn't be pursued and answered, but if you focus on those things you may miss the point. I believe it is ultimately our personal responsibility to seek out God and understand how we are to act in relation to him. I wish you well in your journey.
well said.
There are those on the internet at present who are seeking flaws in church members and their podcasts are what I can only describe as sickening...
I see your point, but don't really think the analogy with the talking donkey works. Whether one believes the donkey really spoke by the power of God or not, the fact remains that donkeys actually did exist in that time and place where the story happened. But with horses in the Book of Mormon, it's well established historical fact that there were no horses on the American continent at that time. It's one of many anachronisms that are good reasons to question the historicity of the Book of Mormon.
@@jamesp7103 You can't prove a negative.
I work in software development. Sometimes a non-technical person will ask, "are there any bugs in the software?" I can never answer "no." There may not be any bugs I'm aware of, but I can never prove there are no bugs. Testing can only prove the existence of bugs, not their absence.
The same is true with reference to the existence of horses in the "promised land," or indeed, that of any given species at any place in the world at any given time. Science, research, exploration can only determine if they *did* exist, not that they didn't.
This is so exciting! I'm so glad you're sharing your journey as you search for truth. Thank you for taking us and our Restoration scripture seriously. (I can't wait to hear what you think about "A Bible, a Bible" in the next video!)
6:41 I have never heard anyone assert the Virgin Mary was Caucasian based on 1 Nephi 11. We understand it to mean she was spiritually pure and clean, not necessarily white-skinned. In support of this definition, Joseph Smith updated 2 Nephi 30:6 in the 1840 edition from the original "white and delightsome people" to read "pure and delightsome people". (That said, there are other references to skin color later on that aren't as easily explained.)
9:20 The bit about the two Churches is a favorite passage of mine. I don't interpret that as meaning congregations or even organizations, but referring instead to people's alignment - how Lewis' "Screwtape" in Letter 2 describes the Christian Church "spread out through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an army with banners." Either a person is aligned with the Lamb and working for God's glory, or they are aligned with the Devil and working against the Lord. Every church on Earth (I'm including Christians, non-Christians, and atheists, and even us LDS) contains people who fall into both camps.
11:19 The binary Judgment, analogous to Heaven/Hell, is as far as the Book of Mormon explores the afterlife, with one exception - that being Alma's description of this same dichotomous judgment which is qualified with the addition that it ONLY lasts until the general Resurrection and subsequent Final Judgment. The concept of the 3 Degrees of Glory, which occurs AFTER the Judgment, is not found here.
16:15 As others have pointed out, the "compass" is the Ball or Director given to Lehi, which was later called the Liahona. As for other items listed such as horses and barley, I suggest you look to the work of FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research) and FARMS (Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies) for some excellent resources.
@@anonymoustruth5950 I assume you watched the video. Was there anything satanic in the text Jeff was reading?
@@anonymoustruth5950 I hear your assertion that Joseph Smith was a false prophet preaching a false gospel, but what IN THE TEXT (i.e. not its mere existence) is telling you that? Pastor Jeff is actually engaging with the text. Are you willing to do the same?
@@anonymoustruth5950 "And Jesus Christ cometh unto his own, that salvation might come unto the children of men even through faith on his name." (Mosh. 3:9) "And Christ hath said: Repent all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me, and be baptized in my name, and have faith in me, that ye may be saved." (Moro. 7:34) These are not heretical teachings. In the most recent video Jeff posted, his 2 Nephi walkthrough, he points out over and over that much of the text would be right at home in Deuteronomy, or in Isaiah, or among the Pauline Epistles.
Is it so impossible to believe God is speaking again? Imagine for a moment that God called another prophet in these days. (After all, Revelation 11 suggests this strongly.) What do you imagine that would look like? How would you recognize him as a prophet? What qualifications would you expect him to fulfill? Would his words be considered scripture? Is God ALLOWED to expand the Bible if He has more to say?
@@anonymoustruth5950 See, the thing is, WE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. There is only one Gospel. Jesus is the only way whereby we may be saved. I feel like we might be talking past each other.
I imagine you're referring to Galatians 1:6-9? And that since we are preaching "another Gospel", we are accursed. But what IS the Gospel? Is it the specific set of WORDS that make up the Bible, or is it the MESSAGE those words convey? Even though the BOM uses different words, it contains the same message of salvation through Jesus Christ.
But maybe your objection is that there are teachings in the Book of Mormon that aren't found in the Bible, that every new scripture produced must be in total agreement with the scripture that came before. If that were the case, what would we do with Revelation, that contains so much material not found in previous scripture? What would we do with the New Testament at all?
Although maybe you say that the Bible is the end of God's word, and that disqualifies the Book of Mormon from containing the true Gospel. But where in the Bible does it say that? You might point to Revelation 22:18-19, but that only refers to the Book of Revelation itself. (Similar to how Deuteronomy 4:2 only refers to the Pentateuch.) Nowhere in the Bible does God say He will never speak again. If the lost epistles of Paul to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9) and the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16) were found, would they have place in the Bible?
I understand that you don't accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, and reject the Book of Mormon on those grounds. But to call it another Gospel? Please listen to WHAT the Book of Mormon is SAYING about Jesus Christ, and qualify it or disqualify it based on that--the MESSAGE of the words.
@@anonymoustruth5950 That's quite the list. I can't respond to all of them, without knowing WHAT specific teachings, violations, and contradictions you're referring to in #s 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10. But I have a few answers.
9) The BOM was never prophesied in the Bible, but neither was Paul prophesied of in the Old Testament. If there was a Biblical prophecy that there would never be further scripture aside from the Bible, that would mean something, but you can't prove a negative.
10) Peter was directed to preach to the Gentiles (Acts 10:9-16). Paul was caught up into the 3rd heaven (2nd Cor 12:2-4). Agabus prophesied of a famine (Acts 11:28). John saw the end of the world (Revelation ch. 4-22). All these new revelations were received after the death of Jesus Christ.
11) We believe Hell is a real place. There's a temporary version for before Final Judgment, akin to the Catholic teachings of Purgatory; and then there's an eternal version which will be occupied AFTER Final Judgment. We generally teach that "fire and brimstone" is a metaphor for how it feels to be there, but we call it "Outer Darkness" and it's for people who knowingly fight against Jesus Christ.
12) Yes, we believe God loves everyone--we are His children. But that does NOT mean we all will be saved. Jesus says so: "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 7:21). We just believe everyone should have the same opportunity to accept salvation.
13) How do you know?
Your video just showed up on my feed, and it is refreshing to hear your insights. My interpretation of the two churches is this; a church or organization that brings you closer to Christ is Christ’s church. If it doesn’t, it is the church of the devil. I struggled with the wording of those verses for years until I was finally able to understand it like that. I believe that there are many people who may not be a member of the LDS faith who will be saved, and there are many who are members of the LDS faith who won’t be saved because of their choices and actions. God is just, but He is oh so merciful and loving. As we love Him, and show that love through our choices and actions, He will see that and bless us accordingly. Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. All who follow Him can be saved. You talked about Joseph Smith’s vision when he was told to not join any church because they were all an abomination. But do you know why God said that? He said that the preachers drew close to Him with their lips, but their hearts were far from Him. That is why they were the church of the devil. Not because they weren’t the restored church of Jesus, but because they were not focused upon Him who is the life giver. If someone is trying to teach you about something they don’t believe, the truths are going to be lost, right? Which was the case here. Anyway, I don’t know if you will actually read this comment, but if you do, I hope it helps with your understanding.
I’m so happy I found you! I’m reading the BOM for the first time.
hi! I’ve been watching your videos for a while, and as a fellow Protestant Christian who has investigated Mormonism (I’ve had discussions with a lot of Mormon people), it’s really encouraging to see you respectfully go through this! I love that you use the Bible as a litmus test for the Book of Mormon.
Exactly!
The compass is referring to the "round ball of curious workmanship" that led them through the wilderness. It is called the Liahona in Alma 37:38.
It had two spindles. One spindle was for direction. The purpose for the other is not specified (1 Nephi 16:10).
Pretty amazing! I converted from a catholic to a Latter Day Saint around the age of 17! Very amazing! My grandmother had Jewish ancestry.
So in old Jerusalem's law, if someone stole your property (or way of living) you could talk them to court. If they were trying to kill you (like Laben did) you were supposed to defend yourself and family, by killing them. So when Nephi was constrained to kill Laben, it was basically him being reminded of the law and the reason for it.
Why would God move anyone to sin?
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 Laben commanded 50+ men, and he wanted Nephi and his brothers dead. Do you see defending yourself and your family as a sin?
@@emm6329 I know nothing about LDS doctrine or this book. I'm not competent to debate.
I understood the man sought to preemptively murder a man to acquire his wares.
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 I understand. I would rather not debate either. Yeah, he wasn't trying to get things, Laben (the guy he killed) was trying to kill them to get their stuff.
Can I say that I am really enjoying this series on you reading the Book of Mormon. I do hope more LDS members watch and listen as getting a perspective of the Book of Mormon that is more analytical will help them. There are tons of classes in the church as well as book resources to help people who want to study in more depth but very few ever take the time to use them. Thanks for helping people see this book in a new light. I enjoy your perspective of studying it from a “clean” perspective with out a ton of apologetics or other ideas getting in the way. Just simply reading and understanding.
As an active Latter-day Saint, I see all followers of Christ as being part of the “church of the Lamb” referred to in 1 Nephi.
Anyone who is actively working to tear down Jesus’ work would be part of the “abominable church.”
I believe that you and I are brothers in Christ, and that we are all His people.
Love this channel and your respectful discourse!!!!
I don't belong to any church. So LDS people still think I belong to a "church" of "abominable" people? That doesn't make sense if I don't subscribe to any church.
Unfortunately it doesn't go both ways. Joseph Smith brought you a new god, a new jesus, and brought you to believe you your self may become a God. Joseph's writings made it quite clear that there is zero connection between mormonism and Christianity.
Love the respectful and analytical way you've approached your reading. Your search for knowledge and understanding inspires me to read the scriptures differently. Love these videos!
I’m so glad I found your channel! It’s a breath of fresh air. I haven’t seen anyone else say it, but your question about the compass when it was mentioned. It’s talking about the Liahona, a compass given to Lehi (it was outside his tent) from God that would point them to the promised land as long as they were faithful in the commandments of God, if they weren’t faithful the compass (Liahona) wouldn’t work.
Thank you so much for doing this channel! I have great respect for you exploring another faith, especially when many others dismiss us out of hand. I think it's interesting to note, at the time of translation, Joseph Smith had never read through the whole Bible, and he only had about a third grade education. In my mind that just cements even more that there was no way he made this all up. Thank you again for putting in the time and effort to do all that you do
I would encourage you to research a book that preceded the BoM called "View of the Hebrews."
@@peaceful525 here is a quick and simple explanation to help with your comment and questions you might have: czcams.com/video/F_rmKtHctZw/video.html
Just have to say it again - Many thanks for these videos! I love your honesty and your openness with your reading and studying.
I appreciate your honesty and candidness. I look forward to further videos.
Love the video i am a convert to the lds church and one of my favorite parts is when Nephi goes to Laban to get the plates. What is interesting is that Nephi did not want to kill Laban but after wrestling with God he was faithful. A lesson on how God guides us
You know how when you watch a great movie, and you sit down to watch it with someone who's never seen it, and you can't WAIT to see their reaction when it gets to the good parts? That's how I'm feeling taking this journey with you. I can't wait to see your reaction. I'm so glad that you've decided to pray as you go, to invite the Holy Ghost to teach you as you go. The Holy Ghost testifies of truth, and it is through His power that we “may know the truth of all things” (Moroni 10:5). The Holy Ghost teaches us all things and brings to our remembrance all we have learned of the Lord and His gospel (see John 14:26).
Looking forward to the Isaiah chapters 😊
Excellent summary Pastor Jeff! I also have slowly made my way through 1 Nephi along with you. I found some interesting things very similar. I also have read it in the 1830 edition of the Book Of Mormon, and that was fascinating. What I found interesting was the way the books differed in the definition of God. I have a 1982 copy of the Book of Mormon I am using to read along, and I actually listen to it online, so I do not miss anything! I do not know the scholastic criteria you have been trained in, but I have been reading the KJV Bible for many years. I am a history addict, and I love and have studied archaeology and geography. I have worked among different religions as a missionary, and find this journey a long time coming. I have encountered the LDS culture in my missionary work in the past and among friends like you have. I love the people, they are dedicated and committed. I communicated I would follow along reading this with your venture. Thank you for such an articulate and respectful video. My first thoughts were that the beginning of the Book including the introduction, and witness testimonies were unique. That the first edition calls it a 'Authorship' and not a translation, Joseph Smith being the 'Sole Proprietor'. I am guessing that may be because he wanted exclusive rights to it's ownership after printing.I did not see this on my 1982 copy. I got a bit stuck in the section of scripture concerning the Urim and Thumin being the means for translation. I will not get into that here, but I have done extensive study on this subject, even before reading about Joseph Smith. Non the less, I enjoyed my first read with a few deep dives, and will keep going. Thank you for your kindness, and I keep all in my prayers.
I can answer this one. It had to do with the publishing laws in New York at that time. Someone's name HAD to be listed as the author for it to be printed. This does not mean that Joseph Smith wrote the book.
@@DustinPerry86 Thank you for this clarification! 🙂
Though this is not an official Church published definition, one member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in years past defined it this way:
The titles "Church of the Devil" and "Great and Abominable Church" are used to identify all churches or organizations of whatever name or nature--whether political, philosophical, educational, economic, social, fraternal, civic, or religious-- which are designed to take men on a course that leads away from God and his laws and thus from salvation in the kingdom of God. Any church or organization of any kind whatever which satisfies the innate religious longings of man and keeps him from coming to the saving truths of Christ and his gospel is therefore not of God."
I think this sums up pretty nicely what I understand these scriptures to mean
I want to thank you for being so respectful as you navigate our church. I find it so refreshing
I look forward to your video on Second Nephi! As disciple of Jesus Christ, I appreciate the good spirit, free of contention, that you have while expressing your sincere opinions on my most treasured beliefs. 👍🏽
I always look forward to your videos. I am LDS and really intrigued with your journey. Seeing the church and our beliefs through your eyes is fantastic! I've learned things I didn't know and my understanding of your beliefs have grown. I have such an appreciation and love for your zeal and knowledge. Very exciting to follow you through your journey. Thank you for inviting us along.
We’re watching Hello Saints in our Lutheran bible study on Sundays here in Utah. From an LDS kid who spends a LOT of time with non-denominational Christians, Lutherans, and Krishnas, as I do business with all of them and thereby attend and appreciate all of their services, I appreciate your work! You do a great job keeping things factual and neutral. Many thanks!
I love that you are reading this. I love your opinion coming from a completely different view. It is so fun listening to you and learning from you.
Hi Pastor! Indi again. I’m so excited for you to be reading the book!! It’s wonderful to hear what you think, and I guess that I never saw some of the things you mentioned before. It’s awesome to be in this journey with you. I can’t wait for the next video!!!
Great job, pastor! Thank you again for being curious and sincere.
As a member if the church for 53 years that finally got out 2 years ago, I appreciate how you are coming into this with fresh eyes & biblical knowledge. I won’t give you my ex-mormon thoughts because I don’t want to try to persuade at this time. I look forward to hearing how you perceive the rest.
I've been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints my entire life. I'm so grateful that you're doing this and for your respect and open mind. I also found your approach to be very interesting - I'm definitely looking forward to watching your videos.
As to the two churches that Nephi mentions and more specifically the great and abominable church, I think about CS Lewis and how he treated the last book of the Narnia series. That one character who was sincere but was following the wrong tradition. Forgive me it’s been a while since I read the book. Many details are shadowy in my mind. But that character believed what he had been taught and was sincere in living according to what he knew. He was a joyful soul and wanted to be best he could be. If we change the word church to kingdom and get away from trying to identifying which church is the evil church and instead look at who is living according to what he/she know to be true and living to improve his/her life compared to he/she who is trying to do whatever it takes to get ahead and gain power and riches, I think that is more accurate. Both kinds of people are present in every denomination and tradition. More the goats and sheep idea. A matter of the state of the heart. This is fascinating. Thank you for sharing this journey
Super excited for this series!! You’re making points that I have never even noticed! (I have been a member of The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints my whole life)
The Book of Mormon has been a significant influence in my life and in my relationship and understanding of God and Jesus Christ. Tho there are times I have questions, I always come back to one fundamental principle, how do I feel when I read these pages, for me the assurance that The spirit testifies of truth allows me to continue my spiritual journey in an authentic way.
Excited to continue watching your journey and seeing your insights!
The problem that I have with people going off their feelings to make a decision on judging if the Book of Mormon is true or not, is that feeling can be very deceiving. I mean don’t you question that there was no horses, wheels, wheat. Steal and hundreds of other problems, not to mention that there is no evidence, not even a single coin that proves it. I would love to believe it but the overwhelming evidence as well as the overwhelming lack of evidence tells me otherwise. I had to ask myself, would God allow so many problems?
@Jose Sanchez You are basing everything on a feeling. Biblically, you are standing on shifting sands, my friend (Proverbs 14:12 and Jeremiah 17:9). A drug user, a pornography addict, a hedonist, a philanthropist, a nationalist, and a devout religionist, all have powerful and confirming emotional experiences, but truth isn't established through emotions. In the Gospel of John chapter 8:32,36, we read that truth sets you free and that truth is found in the Son. Which Son? The one found in the Gospel of John and throughout the Bible (John 5:39-40). Jose, I would encourage you to repent (Acts 17:30) and put your faith/trust in the Jesus of the Bible (Acts 20:21). He alone can save you from your sin and from Hell/Outer Darkness (Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 25:31,46; John 14:6, Acts 4:12; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jose, you can have forgiveness right now (Ephesians 1:7 and Colossians 1:14) and you can have eternal life right now (John 5:24 and John 6:47). This isn't based on a feeling, but upon God's promise. He isn't like you and me; He doesn't break His word (Romans 3:4).
@@kd3738 having these "feelings" is the only reason why mormonism is still a thing.....
If they put scripture above their feelings, then they would have turned away from mormonism a long time ago.
@@kd3738
With all respect, you can find a bible verse that fits anything you want. I’m talking about Joseph Smith and the fallacies he wrote that are false without question. Start with the happiness letter that was written in his own hand and go from there. Don’t you find it odd that people were excommunicated because they said Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon with a rock in a hat? Now they have to declare all these ridiculous things because of lawsuits. Just read the church history on the LDS website, it’s a game changer. Sorry but there’s to much information that has been exposed. The LDS’s days are numbered.
The only infallible way to know the truth is to ask God, the source of all Truth. Most all of us have had the witness of the Holy Ghost via feelings that come in no other way -- as we read the New Testament. I am always amazed at how scripture scholars in Jesus' day (the Chief Priests, Scribes and Pharisees) missed that Jesus was their long awaited Messiah. How did they miss Him? They trusted in their own learning, and their own wisdom. They made assumptions based on what they knew and came to wrong conclusions. Let go, Let GOD! I trust the Holy Spirit to lead and guide. The feeling of love, peace and joy that has come in no other way to me... I cannot go to God and ask Him if something is right or true if I've already made up my mind that it isn't. To be fair, when I was handed a Bible, I was not told it was false, or that I needed to be careful about it...I was told to read and pay attention to my feelings. When I read the Bible, I feel the Holy Spirit witness that Jesus is the Christ, the Savior of the World. I feel the very same feelings when I read the Book of Mormon. I know that witness comes from God. Jesus taught the way to know...John 7:17 "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" 1 Corinthians 2:11 "... the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Jesus promises us that if we ask we shall be given...He wants us to ask. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-7
Excellent job and summary. This guy is the real deal!
Amazing video!! I’m a member of the Church and a recently returned missionary of about 3 months. There’s a couple things I’d like to clarify but to not over clutter I’ll refer to one. So the idea that no unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God is completely true, so defining Heaven exclusively as the place God physically dwells would make the 2 lesser kingdoms a state of ‘hell’ in a sense. I’d personally refer to them as such being you will never be able to stand before God the Father after your judgment. But this is not to say that Gods light (all light) cannot shine into distant parts of existence albeit in a more dulled and partial way to light other places with a certain glory depending on which glory is inherited.
To clarify even further, God cannot dwell in the 2 lower kingdoms because of the imperfection of those who reside there. If they did, they would have to flee like shadow near a bright light.