Great series! Consider a 'free flowing' exhaust BEFORE headers - so we can isolate the gain from headers. It's relatively cheap and quick compared to all other mods. Thanks Alex!
Had a 2011 Caprice PPV. Stock it ran 14.7. Modified a 5th gen Camaro z28 Cold air intake to fit, lowered with eibach G8 springs, muffler delete and an optimized E85 tune and went the best of 13.5. full weight. 1 second is huge for those simple mods. optimization of what you have is key!
As always thank you for this video! Need that coffee to start too! It's always nice to see what my 2013 Mustang GT with the Track Pack is capable of because of your video! KEEP ON ROCKING, Alex!
This is GREAT CONTENT Alex! This is exactly what we need and you have me looking for a clean s197 like you have to play with. Thanks, you are killing the game Sir!
Like always, I enjoy that you share your tech and data in depth! I have mixed feelings about not tuning cars anymore. I do miss looking at new tech and playing with it! But with how the parameters have expanded so much, my OCD would be raging hardcore 24/7!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I always built a tune from a stock tune.
Thanks for this. I've been contemplating getting injectors and an e85 tune but I think I'll hold off till I get a supercharger. If I were chasing a number it'd be worth it but I'm honestly happy with where I'm at and I still have room to grow with just sticky rubber.
That new intro is bad ass, the excitement in your face banging gears in your old black car is real.... Keep up all the hard work thanks for the content....
Free-flowing exhaust before headers or converter, please. Probably won't be as dramatic of a difference than the other two, but would follow the script of this series a bit more real I'd think. Keep 'em coming - this is a hit, Man!
This is top shelf. Still loving the incremental approach. Huge benefit to people who need to drive their car on the street, but want to go faster at a reasonable cost. I would love to see the torque converter go in next...good performance increase without a lot of noise...might surprise some people.
I would like to see a stall converter next for 2 reasons. 1. To see how much the mph increases due to higher rpm shift extension 2. To prove that every 0.1 in the 60ft equals to 0.2 better ET
Impressive gains! I have a gen 1 f150 swapped 64 f100 that runs similar times. I went from running 7.95 at 89 mph to 7.69 at 89.9 mph with a converter change. That was leaving off idle because I don’t have very good suspension for drag racing at the moment. The mods are tuning, cold air, ported 18 manifold, bbk shortys, h pipe, mufflers, circle D 3c converter. About 3800 pounds race weight. That’s pump gas with a little race gas mixed in.
Nice, I ran a 12.2 in my 2013 6r80 with Lund 93 tune, pmas intake, 3.55 gears and spare and passenger seat removed. I got a e85 tune later on but didnt have a chance to take it to the track
I think the norm would be headers first mainly because it might be easier for someone on jackstands to do. but only because i dont think anyone has done torque converter before longtubes test so im curious to what the outcome would be if the tq converter was done first.
With my previous 2013 Mustang GT I did LT headers. Living with LT headers daily driving is easier in my opinion than a converter. LT headers is probably good for around 2tenths which i think would be around the same with a converter on a 6 speed unless its a super high stall which no one wants to daily drive anyway.
If I had to choose between the converter and headers, I would go with the torque converter. I own a 2014 Procharged V6 Mustang and I went with a 3200-3400 stall torque converter. The reason why I went with such a low stall is that I wanted to use the car as a daily driver. My sixty 60 times went from high 1.9s and low 2.0s to mostly 1.7s and an occasional high 1.6. Without headers and on pump gas I have run 11.7 and 11.8s in good DA. I am anxious to try E-85. With a torque converter, that Mustang GT should run 11.9s consistently. Going with headers and no torque converter, you're probably looking at 12.1s.
Converter first, that way you don't have to take headers back off to get converter in. Some units one or more headers need to be removed to pull trans.
Alex, Tuning question: would you tune a 2012 GT the same way you would 2012 Boss? All mods being equal between them; long tubes, no cats, e85, ported boss intake manifold, pmas. What changes would you make if any when tuning each? Both manual, both daily drivers (3:73) with weekend road course/track use
Pretty impressive. Don't know what the atmo conditions were, but 77F in Florida in May is average air at best in the grand scheme of things. If this car was running in the Northeast it would already be in the 12 teens or quicker. That's damn quick for next to no mods on a 10 year old NA car.
I tried to datalog my car, I opened the file on livelink gen2 and for some reason it only gives me a couple things I can see, how do I get all the options you have ?
N/A 4.6 2v 430rwhp on 93, best run so far 10.99 128mph every body runs their mouths about my preference of sticking to true to the original architecture ..i just love shutting up the doubters...
"It's your daily driver, you're not gonna start taking the seats out of it" Well good sir you'd be wrong 😅 I actually would do that, and I did do that on my old ISF lol
It’s so easy to add power these days you should go old-school approach. Converter gear suspension that car is probably 1170 1160 possibly at the power level that you’re at.
maybe slightly different than the usual questions asked here, but I'm curious abt how the paddle shifting feels on the 6r80? I'm between a gen 2 or gen 3 coyote both auto, so now I'm trying to decide between 6r and the 10r but I'm afraid the 6r will feel slouchy. am I wrong?
I know you're going to do what you're going to do, but just a good loose stall, and a tire to stick it would be a cool (next mod) just to show what better power application will do for an ET vs simply adding power. Getting down a track much quicker without any additional power will probably blow the minds of more people than anyone would expect.
At what point do you start trying to tune the cam phasing, is it possible, is it even worth it ? Not familiar with coyote, got a C6 corvette LS3/6L80 I will be approaching it similarly as far as mod & test.
I guess when I ported my own 18 manifold, added a GT350 CAI on my 2016 GT and ran a 12.4 on E85, I did pretty good, considering it was a premium car and full weight. I should have kept that car. I went up to an 18 GT and boy was that a mistake.
Sir can I ask what was a mistake? I have a full weight base 2019 GT 10R80 mustang on 20’s in average DA on just summer tires runs 11.79 at 120.37 mph with no mods at all! Sorry I have a K&N drop in filter! What didn’t you like about your 18 up GT sir?
I would think its only a mistake if you took a massive hit on the trade in with a bigger car note. Otherwise you upgraded. Until these cars start making 800RWHP+ the 10 speed is better in every way and the engine, speaking from personal experience, is better in every way too.
@@shawnsanders9450it can't take any more power than a gen 2 though. It's based off the boss motor and the gen 2 and boss motor have made as much power as 18 up cars have on stock bottom end they have the same rods the extra compression isn't needed with a boosted car. Di is also something that isn't needed just another variable in the chain...
@@midnight347 what does that matter stock and when it just has bolt ons? Also, head studs on the gen 3 are better. GEN 3 also makes more power per pound of boost. Yes, the limit is the same for both bottom ends but I would rather make 800RWHP on 12 psi then 800RWHP on 18 psi but only sometimes because the gen 2 is having to spin whatever power adder it has more creating heat and higher IAT's. Gen 2 is also going to need a expensive 10 rib setup sooner than a gen 3. Having that extra compression is a good thing and having DI is also a good thing until your in really big boy power. The compression is so great for drive ability and down low for a street car. You can make a lot of power with the gen 3 before having to open the engine at all or put on a expensive 10 rib. When you can go high 8's on a gen 3 full weight without having to open the engine at all and without having to upgrade to a expensive belt setup I call that a really nice upgrade over the gen 2. All while enjoying better get up down low while just driving around. I never owned a gen 2 car but i had a gen 1 and the torque and throttle response down low of the gen 3 is beautiful. A lot is the gearing of the 10 speed but the dyno graph doesn't lie either. I also own LS stuff so getting back some down low torque and drive ability was a welcome feeling vs the gen 1 Coyote. With LT headers 3.55 gears and a E85 tune its perfect. Had LT headers, full exhaust, LU47 injectors on the gen 1 and its still night and day difference between the cars both in low end, top end, drive ability, everything.
@@shawnsanders9450 Gen 3 is a better motor, but 10R80 is trash. It was a mistake because it was apparently owned by cousin pookie and had hidden issues that were "tuned out" and popped up as soon as I re-tuned it. Then the transmission started acting up. My 2016 was perfect.
Alex I Know You Probably Wont Answer Me But What Is Your Dash Cam By Any Chance I've Been Looking For A Dashcam That Shows Everything while accelerating i mean the 60ft 0-60 and shit
Stupid question. If E85 is say 100 octane or you put pump gas with octanium to boost it to 100 is the stoic the same? Does the car know weather it’s E85 or pump with octanium or is it only the octane that matters.
Hey Bicho. Little advice cuz I love ya. If you can find a little longer safe road in mexico bring her to 130. Set up the dragy to show the 60-130 on your 1/4 mile runs. Make some shorts and post them up. I say this because this day and age that's all the talk lol. Im sure that would get decent views.
I think that’s pretty impressive, hell my gen 2 mt82 went 12.1 @ 117 with just a pmas, unported 18 mani and Lund tune. Stock cats and all, 3980 race weight with my fat ass in it lol. Gen 1/Gen2 cars can run very well when you set them up.
This. They optimized the 18 up cars more stock which means less gains to be had with mods although they can run alot quicker than stock too but there's a bigger jump on these earlier cars imo
Alex been in Mexico so much the border patrol doesn’t even check lol
Why would they? They check no one!
@@gregoryutvich8614 That’s funny and depressing at the same time, we bouta start looking like the UK if we ain’t careful.
Not only but his cousin runs that shit…. He has the golden pass 💪🏻
They probably just think he's Mexican and think he's late for work lol jk
@@alfredodiaz7350 Alex crossin the border telling “puro pinche, puro pinche, puro pinche, 956”
Glazed doughnut-uh-uh 😂
Sometimes you have to get that donut 😂
Definitely do converter next. Do all mods possible before headers and we’ll be able to see how much performance headers really add.
They help alot especially if you're flowing more air if you got a better manifold it helps more and with cams it helps even more.
hot dog water incoming...I love this project...
That sweet sweet hotdog water
Great series! Consider a 'free flowing' exhaust BEFORE headers - so we can isolate the gain from headers. It's relatively cheap and quick compared to all other mods. Thanks Alex!
Had a 2011 Caprice PPV. Stock it ran 14.7. Modified a 5th gen Camaro z28 Cold air intake to fit, lowered with eibach G8 springs, muffler delete and an optimized E85 tune and went the best of 13.5. full weight. 1 second is huge for those simple mods. optimization of what you have is key!
Definitely my favorite video series that you've done. I love seeing how much each mod picks up.
7 tenths for those few mods is pretty damn good. Thanks for the info. Loving the REAL step by step progress.
This is a great testing series! thanks Alex for the continued quality efforts you put into your channel & content. 💯🔥
Thank you for the these videos Alex.
As always thank you for this video! Need that coffee to start too! It's always nice to see what my 2013 Mustang GT with the Track Pack is capable of because of your video! KEEP ON ROCKING, Alex!
Best data project on you tube IMO! Keep it up Alex
Watching you do this one step at a time is fascinating!
This is GREAT CONTENT Alex! This is exactly what we need and you have me looking for a clean s197 like you have to play with. Thanks, you are killing the game Sir!
Love the build series 👍🏼
Thanks tío for the content 💪🏽🔥
Thank you for the clarification at 2:48 LOL
Drive shaft and drag pack would be
Rotational mass weight reduction
But converter will most likely gain the most at the moment
Like always, I enjoy that you share your tech and data in depth!
I have mixed feelings about not tuning cars anymore. I do miss looking at new tech and playing with it! But with how the parameters have expanded so much, my OCD would be raging hardcore 24/7!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I always built a tune from a stock tune.
I really like the series because it's showing you what mods can do for you step by step
Thanks for this. I've been contemplating getting injectors and an e85 tune but I think I'll hold off till I get a supercharger. If I were chasing a number it'd be worth it but I'm honestly happy with where I'm at and I still have room to grow with just sticky rubber.
That new intro is bad ass, the excitement in your face banging gears in your old black car is real.... Keep up all the hard work thanks for the content....
Came from a savagegeese video and was refreshed. Nice work Alejandro
LMAO
Love these type of videos
Great video! Would love to see the actual difference a converter will do with ETs and how it'll change how the car changes as a daily driver.
Thanks for another great video
Awesome content Alex 👍
Free-flowing exhaust before headers or converter, please.
Probably won't be as dramatic of a difference than the other two, but would follow the script of this series a bit more real I'd think.
Keep 'em coming - this is a hit, Man!
This is top shelf. Still loving the incremental approach. Huge benefit to people who need to drive their car on the street, but want to go faster at a reasonable cost. I would love to see the torque converter go in next...good performance increase without a lot of noise...might surprise some people.
Sorry brother, 15% hot dog water in the car and it works 😂
I would like to see a stall converter next for 2 reasons.
1. To see how much the mph increases due to higher rpm shift extension
2. To prove that every 0.1 in the 60ft equals to 0.2 better ET
I die every time you order coffee😂😂😂😂
Impressive gains! I have a gen 1 f150 swapped 64 f100 that runs similar times. I went from running 7.95 at 89 mph to 7.69 at 89.9 mph with a converter change. That was leaving off idle because I don’t have very good suspension for drag racing at the moment. The mods are tuning, cold air, ported 18 manifold, bbk shortys, h pipe, mufflers, circle D 3c converter. About 3800 pounds race weight. That’s pump gas with a little race gas mixed in.
Converter before headers!!!
good video... gotta top myself off now.
Nice, I ran a 12.2 in my 2013 6r80 with Lund 93 tune, pmas intake, 3.55 gears and spare and passenger seat removed. I got a e85 tune later on but didnt have a chance to take it to the track
I miss my grey 14 gt auto. Had a 3200 converter, 3.55 gears, and aluminum driveshaft. Really fun to drive.
The intro is badazz
Like the new intro
I think the norm would be headers first mainly because it might be easier for someone on jackstands to do. but only because i dont think anyone has done torque converter before longtubes test so im curious to what the outcome would be if the tq converter was done first.
With my previous 2013 Mustang GT I did LT headers. Living with LT headers daily driving is easier in my opinion than a converter. LT headers is probably good for around 2tenths which i think would be around the same with a converter on a 6 speed unless its a super high stall which no one wants to daily drive anyway.
what a better plug i run ngk 6510 or brisk racing rr10s silver
Impressive for the small amounts of mods. What stall speed are you gonna have with the converter?
Hello..i would do cat delete or headers before converter
Add some boxes before a converter so you can really top off those gains! 😅
Making Donnie proud!
Hey Alex, whats your guess on how much a drive shaft will save if any
Let’s go!!!
If I had to choose between the converter and headers, I would go with the torque converter. I own a 2014 Procharged V6 Mustang and I went with a 3200-3400 stall torque converter. The reason why I went with such a low stall is that I wanted to use the car as a daily driver. My sixty 60 times went from high 1.9s and low 2.0s to mostly 1.7s and an occasional high 1.6. Without headers and on pump gas I have run 11.7 and 11.8s in good DA. I am anxious to try E-85. With a torque converter, that Mustang GT should run 11.9s consistently. Going with headers and no torque converter, you're probably looking at 12.1s.
Coffee can for the next mod! 🙌😂
What size are the new rear tires on the Brembo wheels? Anyone? Bueller?
Love this shit!
Will beat a stock 550 with a beloved 10r80. And with headers exhaust and converter 1170 and the track .. you tha man alex.
Is the laptop data logger program included with the purchase of a Lund tune?
Converter first, that way you don't have to take headers back off to get converter in. Some units one or more headers need to be removed to pull trans.
how do you get to mexico from florida?
Alex, Tuning question: would you tune a 2012 GT the same way you would 2012 Boss?
All mods being equal between them; long tubes, no cats, e85, ported boss intake manifold, pmas.
What changes would you make if any when tuning each? Both manual, both daily drivers (3:73) with weekend road course/track use
Pretty impressive. Don't know what the atmo conditions were, but 77F in Florida in May is average air at best in the grand scheme of things. If this car was running in the Northeast it would already be in the 12 teens or quicker. That's damn quick for next to no mods on a 10 year old NA car.
How accurate are the drag timers?
What tires are you running?
I tried to datalog my car, I opened the file on livelink gen2 and for some reason it only gives me a couple things I can see, how do I get all the options you have ?
N/A 4.6 2v 430rwhp on 93, best run so far 10.99 128mph every body runs their mouths about my preference of sticking to true to the original architecture ..i just love shutting up the doubters...
Nobody cares that you have $12,000 into a two valve LOL
Dunkin is the best, used to work there
🔥🔥
Would a manual do the same thing?
260gt 100 octane is 12.99 in Connecticut, next to it, different pump says 260gt 110 octane 12.99 what's the difference? Why same price?
"It's your daily driver, you're not gonna start taking the seats out of it"
Well good sir you'd be wrong 😅 I actually would do that, and I did do that on my old ISF lol
He's talking about the people that aren't homosexuals
I would like to know how much all these mods cost ?
Great video, thank you. I'm at the same decision point of converter or headers.
same bro same
I decided to go cat less and converter route
It’s so easy to add power these days you should go old-school approach. Converter gear suspension that car is probably 1170 1160 possibly at the power level that you’re at.
maybe slightly different than the usual questions asked here, but I'm curious abt how the paddle shifting feels on the 6r80? I'm between a gen 2 or gen 3 coyote both auto, so now I'm trying to decide between 6r and the 10r but I'm afraid the 6r will feel slouchy. am I wrong?
It's an automatic not a dual clutch transmission they will both be lazy
I know you're going to do what you're going to do, but just a good loose stall, and a tire to stick it would be a cool (next mod) just to show what better power application will do for an ET vs simply adding power. Getting down a track much quicker without any additional power will probably blow the minds of more people than anyone would expect.
Putting them headers off for a reason. lol ain't nobody trying to put those in 😂
Nice
At what point do you start trying to tune the cam phasing, is it possible, is it even worth it ? Not familiar with coyote, got a C6 corvette LS3/6L80 I will be approaching it similarly as far as mod & test.
Also I know I’m late to the party but I can’t believe you got a ZR1 😅 never thought I’d see the day. Cool shit though
I guess when I ported my own 18 manifold, added a GT350 CAI on my 2016 GT and ran a 12.4 on E85, I did pretty good, considering it was a premium car and full weight. I should have kept that car. I went up to an 18 GT and boy was that a mistake.
Sir can I ask what was a mistake? I have a full weight base 2019 GT 10R80 mustang on 20’s in average DA on just summer tires runs 11.79 at
120.37 mph with no mods at all! Sorry I have a K&N drop in filter! What didn’t you like about your 18 up GT sir?
I would think its only a mistake if you took a massive hit on the trade in with a bigger car note. Otherwise you upgraded. Until these cars start making 800RWHP+ the 10 speed is better in every way and the engine, speaking from personal experience, is better in every way too.
@@shawnsanders9450it can't take any more power than a gen 2 though. It's based off the boss motor and the gen 2 and boss motor have made as much power as 18 up cars have on stock bottom end they have the same rods the extra compression isn't needed with a boosted car. Di is also something that isn't needed just another variable in the chain...
@@midnight347 what does that matter stock and when it just has bolt ons? Also, head studs on the gen 3 are better. GEN 3 also makes more power per pound of boost. Yes, the limit is the same for both bottom ends but I would rather make 800RWHP on 12 psi then 800RWHP on 18 psi but only sometimes because the gen 2 is having to spin whatever power adder it has more creating heat and higher IAT's. Gen 2 is also going to need a expensive 10 rib setup sooner than a gen 3. Having that extra compression is a good thing and having DI is also a good thing until your in really big boy power. The compression is so great for drive ability and down low for a street car. You can make a lot of power with the gen 3 before having to open the engine at all or put on a expensive 10 rib. When you can go high 8's on a gen 3 full weight without having to open the engine at all and without having to upgrade to a expensive belt setup I call that a really nice upgrade over the gen 2. All while enjoying better get up down low while just driving around.
I never owned a gen 2 car but i had a gen 1 and the torque and throttle response down low of the gen 3 is beautiful. A lot is the gearing of the 10 speed but the dyno graph doesn't lie either. I also own LS stuff so getting back some down low torque and drive ability was a welcome feeling vs the gen 1 Coyote. With LT headers 3.55 gears and a E85 tune its perfect. Had LT headers, full exhaust, LU47 injectors on the gen 1 and its still night and day difference between the cars both in low end, top end, drive ability, everything.
@@shawnsanders9450 Gen 3 is a better motor, but 10R80 is trash. It was a mistake because it was apparently owned by cousin pookie and had hidden issues that were "tuned out" and popped up as soon as I re-tuned it. Then the transmission started acting up. My 2016 was perfect.
12.31 1.9 60’ gen2 manual on factory 18” wheels and tires PMas Lund e85 only
What did it trap?
My 2012 GT went 11.60's on 93,tune, CAI, Nitto drag Radials ,,Circle D 4C, aluminum DS, Car made no power on dyno, no headers (398 Wheel).
What kind of air was that in? Any other weight reduction?
@@ChurchAutoTest no spare tire and jack. ~60° House of Hook Jackson, SC
@@MormonMustang_ sounds like decent air, but not mineshaft like some east coast tracks. nice time
I would get a converter over headers
Here for the replay
#outrageousmustangs
#pdiddyhotdogwater
decided to take your advice and sell the GT and buy a minivan
Please tell me this is a joke?
Would’ve been nice if you stayed in it to compare 60-130 numbers as well
Alex back is no longer dry he’s in Mexico so much.
Alex I Know You Probably Wont Answer Me But What Is Your Dash Cam By Any Chance I've Been Looking For A Dashcam That Shows Everything while accelerating i mean the 60ft 0-60 and shit
Dashcam? I use the draggy app and hold the phone with my hand
Stupid question. If E85 is say 100 octane or you put pump gas with octanium to boost it to 100 is the stoic the same? Does the car know weather it’s E85 or pump with octanium or is it only the octane that matters.
The stoic is still different
Race gas and octane booster/pump gas are similar e mixes and full e85 are a different stoich
Why so late bicho?
Alex video vs Alex livestream is blowing my mind. 😅
Hey Bicho. Little advice cuz I love ya. If you can find a little longer safe road in mexico bring her to 130. Set up the dragy to show the 60-130 on your 1/4 mile runs. Make some shorts and post them up. I say this because this day and age that's all the talk lol. Im sure that would get decent views.
I''d rather risk a 112 ticket than a 130 ticket.
Shorts make 0 money
@YDBT4LIFE I hear you brother. Damn tickets in NY are way way more expensive lol. Also screw that if it won't make ya more money!
130 is just a ticket?
@@harleytakuachemode yep. Ask me how I know
lol at the donut
Tell em where to go
👍
That lab coat e50
I think that’s pretty impressive, hell my gen 2 mt82 went 12.1 @ 117 with just a pmas, unported 18 mani and Lund tune. Stock cats and all, 3980 race weight with my fat ass in it lol. Gen 1/Gen2 cars can run very well when you set them up.
This. They optimized the 18 up cars more stock which means less gains to be had with mods although they can run alot quicker than stock too but there's a bigger jump on these earlier cars imo
I remember when u said the gt350 Manifold was king
Still is...by 2 hp. This was free.
@YDBT4LIFE is there a significant difference when tuning an 18 vs GT350 manifold or is it essentially the same?
@@JR10_RR depends on imrc active or not
Wait a minute, e85 plus manifold and no injectors?
Has lu47s
@@YDBT4LIFE copy
2:50 Big pause!
Now imagine if you could do 11.9 non sea level
😮
Now I'm wishing my 2012 Brembo car was an auto.
Um no lol...just learn to drive good and get a good trans, shifter, clutch setup.
I'm getting old. It's not as much fun as it used to be. Lol
What's your 60-130 lol
Probably 10+ seconds 😅.