The Gruesome Case of the Papin Sisters
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Oddie's Historical Feature - Episode 17
This Historical Features details the the story of the Papin Sisters - their upbringing - the murders - and their trial & final years.
Christine & Léa Papin grew up in Le Mans, France. After a tragic upbringing, things appeared to be going in the right direction for them; they had a good job as head servant/cook & chambermaid in a the house of a wealthy middle class family. By all accounts, they were fed & treated well & had a comfortable heated room on the third floor of the large house of Monsieur Lancelin & his family.
Then one day, the girls snapped...leaving a horrific trail in their wake.
No one could quite believe that these two kind & demure young women, could be capable of such shocking & grisly murders.
Many thanks to one of my sweet viewer's 'Melissa Sutton' for suggesting I research this case.
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ObsoleteOddity hi, the photo around 2:55 of the nun in blue tones - may I ask what artwork/photographer that is from? thanks
sorry, I'd say that information is lost to time - these were sentimental photos typical of the era.
Thanks for watching!
ObsoleteOddity My pleasure.. thank YOU for the video stories! Excellent content + wonderful voice 👍👌
ObsoleteOddity loved it. it's better than prime time TV. You have a talent in putting these videos together and yes, I'm very happy that you started reading it to us. You have a wonderful voice and I always listen to CZcams with my eyes closed when I've time to listen. So now? that you're treating us with a read aloud? I won't be missing any of your videos. thx.
ObsoleteOddity Thank you, so happy and excited upon getting the notufication 😀
This is quite a story. I often hear people say that the world is getting worse as people become more cruel and care less, but after watching this film, I'm convinced the world has always been horrible but the difference is that we hear about it more often now through the media.
and there's more people too now, so that's more chances for more bad ones to be produced.
Good point.
Yeah
Kris D How sad
Not only was the past not better than it is today, newspapers - believe it or not - are less sensational now than they were pre-WWII. Can you imagine them publishing photos today of murdered corpses as they did here and in many other cases? "The past was way classier" my eye. People who say that are either brainwashed by Hollywood films or are just editing out all the bad stuff.
Having bad parents can really ruin a person's mind.
LyricsYT it absolutely does...
LyricsYT the way you're treated by your parents affects the way you think to the way you act so yes you'd be correct
I think it's generally a learned familial trait that gets passed on no matter how hard you try to disregard your own upbringing. Someone was bad to their mother, too... and someone was bad to that person.... and so on and so on. You pass down what you learn. #1 reason i DIDN'T have kids. I LOVED my unborn children, & they didn't deserve to go through the horror & EXTREME beatings that i grew up with, and my folks before me(although in our day, having your hide skinned off by your parents was acceptable- but mine went beyond that) & my family would have treated my children badly, and that just MAY have made me murderous. I LOVED my family. Even if I didn't have one.
Folks, when you hit that point of "it's gotta stop.." remove YOURSELF, not the child. A child HAS nowhere else to go. Lol, it WAS too funny seeing doctors/'therapists' suggest that it might just partially be my mom's fault- she blew a gasket in their office at the mere suggestion.- & those 2 docs looked at me in wide-eyed shock & helpless horror FOR me, jaws hanging OPEN. I'll never forget the look on their faces... I forgave myself that day. (My "problem" (their problem) was that I had withdrawn from all social pretenses & avoided any contact with any human. They're just too They couldn't help me if she wasn't going to let them. I just had to find a way out on my own(she was quite the queen of motives, lies, denial & "outward appearances." Even teachers suggested to me that "You don't have to live like this." But yes- when you're a teen in a small town, you're considered nothing but drama and no substance..there WAS NO HELP but to hit the old railroad tracks out of town & not look back at 14 yrs old. I got really lucky. Got out of that town and all of the sudden found out that there were people who WOULD help!) Don't give up. Don't become what you hate. It's too easy to fall prey to your own human nature. We must evolve. It's harder.
Mio Hai So true. Those who abuse are people that were also abused when they were younger. Things get passed on.
Mio Hai well said I am so happy you got through it
imagine during covid how many abused children are now hidden from society.
Diane Serafino you are scaring me!
@@theraven6843 Scaring with what? Truth? Oh yes, truth is scarier then fiction. Where I live lots of children never appeared to onlineclasses. No one knows what was going on with them for last half a year. And no one can do anything about it Why? Because here you can't report suspecting the crime to police. You need a smallest piece of evidence. Not going to online classes means the child is lazy. It's not a crime. So schools couldn't do a thing.
Anja B I WAS FILLED WITH HORROR! I AM A VICTIM MYSELVES. DIDN’T YOU GET IT! I’m 65 and hate to talk about it still. Do you UNDERSTAND NOW!!why I am scared?
@@theraven6843 Firstly; no, not really.
Secondly; it happens everywhere to so many people. There is more victims than you might think. And there is no one to help them. That's scary!
Anja B As if I didn’t know. You did’nt understand a word I said! I spoke with lots of victims during my therapy. Stop learning me some lessons regarding this ‘subject’!!!!!!!!!
how you accuse a 10 yr old of seducing her father is beyond me
You would be surprised the amount people in this plane of existence who have the intelligence of a walnut.
@@InkwellCat
Especially back then. Any sexual encounter was always the woman's fault, no matter how forceful the rape was. This was the belief until very recently.
It happens.
A.R.M.Y💜,Borahae
That kind of thing happens today also.
I have absolutely no idea how I got here, but this was very interesting
delightful75 welcome to the dark side of CZcams. Lol! I feel the same! How did I get here?
delightful75 same 😄
LOL me too
Same here. I just got here and I'm looking around wondering how do I get out of this dungeon. Unfortunately, the story telling hooked me and I'm still here.
Perhaps you should have no idea more often, then?
Those girls had a pretty deadly attachment disorder. They probably had no empathy for anyone but one another, and knew they could only trust one another. This is a really extreme case of the damage abandonment and abuse can cause. So sorry fir all involved.
Christine and Le'a Papin experienced shared personality disorder or madness in pairs. I believe that it had been noted elsewhere that Christine did suffer Schizophrenia and Le'a Severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.. served 10 yr. Prison sentence Christine eventually passed from a complete breakdown of body and mind. Christine Papin Born. March 8, 1905 - 18, May 1937. Le'a Papin Born September 15, 1911 Supposed passing July 24, 2001.
@@user-vt5xu4to5k Wow! Thanks for the information. That’s so tragic. I hope Le’a had some joy in her long life. It doesn’t seem like there was any hope for that for Christine.
This is the best comment under this video
Parents love is like oxygen for kids.
Abuse can really mess kids up
Exactly the main thing kids need is love
110% agreed - you can almost see a direct line from the abuse to the murder here
yeah. as a young child my mom abused me, but not as harsh as some people have gone through. my dad had to divorce her and he gained custody of me, so now i live with my dad and step-dad.
even now i struggle with the idea of affection and love because my mom never showed me any, and my dad was often busy.
@@therapy1442 no matter how harsh ,abuse is abuse. I'm sorry you had to go through that! If you were my little child I would have given you the love you deserved! Never blame yourself. Have a wonderful life!!!❤️❤️❤️
@@sugarbear0502 🤣🤣 i would've been a handful, trust me haha
Mom: *sends the girls to a convent*
Mom: *outraged when they become nuns*
😂 exactly
Some people are impossible to please.
@@constanceleah118 The girls were sent to the Sisters of the Good Shepherd who were founded in France to rehabilitate wayward girls, and women. To teach them some sort trade like lace making, sewing ,etc.so they wouldn't go back to criminal activity etc. Was terrible what they did to their employers.
@@hildahilpert5018 Was also terrible what society did to them.
I suspect the mother had some kind of mental illness or personality disorder which isn't mentioned.
It's so sad to me that somebody could really accuse their 10-year-old child (CHILD!) of *seducing* a grown man, let alone their own father. She was just looking for a reason to leave her kids.
In that time, it was their belief still that wickedness was always the female's fault - age notwithstanding. Stupid, but so are a lot of beliefs still today.
If you go to some churches today, child victims of pastors/priests would be blamed as seductresses.
Oh not to mention at the time while age of consent was established, it was more to "protect virginity" and a man can marry a girl of any age and whatever he did was legal because the wife was the husbands property.
And then of course the girls had an odd idea about love, family and sexuality. With what their dad did to them, how were they supposed to have normal boundaries.
I like how the father was a child rapist and an alcoholic, yet the mother was considered to be 'of low morals'.
Because she was. What's the issue? She abandoned her daughters. That's low morals.
@@keepa1 But the father didn't have low morals?
My mom was an alcoholic
Runs threw the family I was on drugs not ashamed but I ask for help got seven yrs I have cravings my fat ass neighbor just left out of here early this morning their was a dope boy in front of my door not cool I dont like to feel like some one watching me I was fine being bye myself and my bitch
She picked him.
I like that there’s written text *and* voiceover, so I can choose how I enjoy the video. Voiceover is calm, yet not boring.
You convinced me, I’ll subscribe.
Thanks for your very kind feedback Kai - much appreciated 😊
@@ObsoleteOddity agree. It's great for deaf viewers.
My great grandmother used to always say that "bad luck plagues households that abuse the help."
Nobody can imagine the consequences of children brought up with no love at all. I saw it almost everyday when I was teaching in a prison. For a child, love is as necessary as oxygen.
"Mother is the name for God on the lips & hearts of ALL children"
I'm living proof.
Suzanne Frances Twenty five years ago I spent a few months being homeless with three toddlers. I lived in a run down motel where my husband and one other person actually had jobs. My husband and I did not drink or do drugs but every one else did. I learned from that experience that there is only one thing that children truly want in life and that is to know that their parents love them. We made sure our children heard us say I love you at least once a day!
That's a relatively recent idea. Up until the 1930's and Jean Piagets work - children were thought of and treated like mini-adults. Also, per the CDC, in the late 19th and early 20th century, as many as 30% of all children died in thier first year, so emotional attachment was a bit frowned upon.
my mother made it clear every day that she hated our father so it was pretty clear to see she hated us.
What a gruesome, sad, and tragic tale!
Caraboo Lee how did women survive having twins in those days??i hope Christine had a better life with her relative than her sibling.
BellRain Chan He tells their ages at the beginning. There were several years between the three sisters: Emilia, Christine, and Lea. It is confusing because they do look like twins.
Caraboo Lee ....your profile pic just reminded me of how i actually turned my phone on to watch dw....
Wow really sad that she was punished for her father being a sick man! The mother expected to use these young girls as a meal ticket. After turning her back on them, she had no right to ask anything of them after they were grown. I'm very sure this contributed to the sisters "personalities" or issues. 🖤 Really breaks my heart to hear stories about those who never really had a chance from the beginning. So sad!
I am severely disappointed with their parents for abusing/neglecting them and using them for money after everything she put the girls through, like who has the right to do such a horrible thing
why is no one talking about the fortune teller saying they were man and wife in a previous life..... wtf
Previous lives has been around for ages.
@@Cheepchipsable yeah but husband and wife to sisters is quite jump
@@exhausted6499 "We'll be together for our next lives too" taken on a whole new level
They believed in this bullshit and this is what happened...
Because it's BS
A while ago I watched an "official" french documentary about this case - it was twice as long as this video and contained possibly less than a half of the facts you provided. Thank you so very much for the thorough research and effort you put in making your videos!
That made my day - thank you so much!
I have no idea how I ended up here. I certainly wasn't looking for this story or anything like it. But I'm so glad because it was truly intriguing and I've long been looking for a good story teller. Thank you!
FourLeaf Clover I'm kinda lost.
Absolutely fascinating. Movie coming???
Sounds like these girls just had enough of being treated with contempt, disrespect and abuse, and just snapped.
Long term abuse can push you into changing who you are & doing things you’d never otherwise do 😥
I agree . It’s 100% justified and acceptable
@@billybreathes8088 It is.
@@billybreathes8088 Lol. Yeah. I doubt there are many psychologists or psychiatrists who would have employed them. They have all the talk, but let them put their own eyes and lives on the line and suddenly their opinions would change.
@Isabel Livieva - We can't throw a blanket statement over all cases.
Some ppl can eat peanuts, some people nearly die from them. Same thing, different reaction.
Clearly, the long term abuse, neglect and cruelty these girls endured turned them around so far.. it appears the constant put downs, yelling and condescending treatment on a day to day basis drove them way over the line, as it would!
Long term abuse since childhood can do horrible things to people, re-wire their brains, lose their sanity.. These girls tried to make it, they tried. They worked, they did the right thing.. seemingly doing well.. only for their place of comfort turned into a living hell.
How much more 'evidence' do you need...
@Isabel Livieva You clearly don't see that for all their life, they were victims. Free to leave and do what?? How do they survive?Where do they go? It's not that cut n dry.
And we aren't comparing rapists and serial killers to these girls. They snapped. They didn't go around killing and raping people. They didn't just have a 'bad childhood', they had a bad life. Clearly you are so far removed from any understanding or perception of what this is like or the psychological and behavioural effects long term abuse has.
While I haven't suffered what these girls went through, I know first hand the long term affects of mental and physical abuse.
And Yes, these deaths are still horrendous and tragic, not taking that away, nor did they deserve to be murdered like that.. But we must understand WHY.
I am interested to know what happened to the 3rd sister, Emilie, I presume she remained a nun at the convent? Probably a good idea, saved herself from further insanity. Very chilling what happened, and how dangerous child abuse can be, in the mind of that child who then becomes an adult.
I heard Emilie died in the 1980s, and i doubt she had any contact with Lea or Christine after Christine left the convent.
Emilia Papin: Date of Birth Unknown. Date of Passing Unknown..Joined the Convent Became a nunn where she excelled and spent the rest of her days
Emilia Papin: Was the eldest of the Papin Sisters and the first to leave from the abuse of unsuitable parents. Joined the Convent and became a nunn where she excelled and spent the rest of her days. Day of Birth Unknown Day of Death Unknown..Rip. Christine Papin: Was sentenced to Death by guillotine which was reduced to being sentenced to the State Mental hospital.. Passed of a complete breakdown of body and Mind.. Christine's last words The Lords Prayer..March 8.1905 @ 3:00am to May 18. 1937..RIP. Le'a Papin was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment and hard labor. After Le'a imprisonment She was forced to take the assumed name of Mary and took the occupation of hotel Maiden. Accepted soul responsibility of their Mother Clemence until her Passing.. Unknown. Later Le'a Papin lived and Passed away in a hospice center..Born: September 15. 1911- July 24. 2001..RIP.
Yes, she remained in the convent for the rest of her life.
She did not have any contact with her family ever since she entered religious life.
@intriguing Woman murder.
What kind of rabbit hole did I fall into today? Wow!
MissPopuri a rabbit drugged me here
I don't care did you eat the magic mushrooms? lol
I don't care Dragged me here
MissPopuri hole of fucked up reality.
welcome to wonderland mother fuckers
it sounds like they were imagining killing her mother when they killed them
Tamu Malone inflation
Tamu Malone Yes - severe example of dissociation.
Tamu Malone that makes a lot of sense
The person who raped herc
It does...
I think the addition of pictures to the story enhances the story immensely and they do seem to fit the narrative. I find myself being amazed because they are such a perfect match to the story.
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
Here in 2021. The only thing that I get from these stories is, nothing has really changed. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Thanks for your very kind feedback - much appreciated.
Whether 100 years ago or present day bad mothers, broken distrubed families; create sick human beings. This horrendous process continues and the unfortunate to be born unwanted suffers a difficult life and in turn directs that into society. They link mental illness to these women but I must say their home life was unimaginable. A very sick mother will not produce as in caring love and nurture, sane children.
Excellent video. You do this wonderfully. TY.
Because it didn't really affect the girl. She was the one who lived as a nun remember. Not saying it was at all nice but the younger girls was all the mothers fault.
RenegadeTimes We only know of the rape of the oldest sister. Abusers like that don't stop with one. I seriously doubt only the one daughter was sexually abused.
Well their upbringing is all mental health related and they didn't say in the video but I'm sure their home life brought PTSD, anxiety, depression and or other mental disorders.
It's amazing how people so easily place the mother as the home for any and everything when it comes to children. It shows how little men and fathers are considered or even held responsible when it comes to FAMILY. The men in the lives of these women dedniywlybplaywd a huge part in their demise , yet most of these comments don't speak on that. What about BAD FATHERS..? You glossed over that and just labeled it as broken disturbed family..... that's just crazy to me. Men are always behind serious evil.... remember that.
+Fran Connorton
Thank you!! So many people here are forgetting that the girl who was raped was the ONLY one who turned out "all right" in the end. Imagine if her sister were able to join the order. This whole situation would not have happened.
Your French pronunciation was impeccable, to be honest. To think that we now have medicine and modern therapeutic modalities that may have helped these poor ladies and saved the two lives they took.
StinkyButton po
well it would be nice to think that the meds work but for the most part they dont and when they fall shot is when people stop taking them fall back into habitsand things fall apart . then you have Roseanne wich fell back a few decadesand got shock therapyand now owns and runs a nut farm literally lol. modern is not always functional.
short . sorry.
This was very interesting. I can appreciate the period photos, the narration, and the had work. To me, the French sounded good.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your very kind feedback Kirsten, I appreciate it. :)
No offence but you obviously dont know french, but I heard worse, so overall you get away with it because its normal to mispronouce when you are not familiar.
It may help that some translating sites offer pronouciation help. French isnt an easy language to master, but I liked the voice, the slow narration that made the even wrongly pronouciation still understadable.
@@ObsoleteOddity I found your apology most gracious even tho it is perfectly common for everyone to struggle with correct pronunciation of a foreign language, yes, even the French!
Folie a deux. They had only one another. Probably little schooling led them to believe a fortune teller's story about them being a couple in a previous life. The previous anger at the abuse they suffered was set off by Madame Lancelin pinching and treating Lea in a cruel manner. Then followed carnage. The treatment of the cadavers was sickening. Thank you Oddie for this nightmare of a story. Beautifully done and I sat on the edge of my chair.
Thank you for your positive feedback and insights Kary Ann, very much appreciated 😊🙏
Well I'd say the middle sister dodged a bullet by becoming a nun.
Onism LMFAO. yes
Film Jacobs Ladder
Onism it was the oldest sister that became a nun.
.iwanty76jiuyt
it was the eldest sister
It is perfect! I love the use of period photos. The only thing I would like is labels if they are authentic as to who/what the photographs represent.
I agree...
Downhomesunset no please don't say that these old pictures and film is a window left open to the horrors of the past must keep window closed damn it they can come now until daylight but is long time and I'm scared horrific stuff is coming it's evil and suffering
I get it ... "period" photos ... after what they were basted in haha j/k
Thanks so
Deborah Griffin I just erased the latest rudeness..... I hate when a perfectly good thread gets ruined by someone who is thoughtless.
Abused as children with parents that are absolutely worthless then having their mother make their decisions for them......No wonder they turned out the way they did. Sad but great story Oddie
This guy who tells these stories does such a great job! Great voice!
Thanks for your very kind feedback Rico, I appreciate it :)
@@ObsoleteOddity I love your tone voice too, perfect for these kind of freakin'stories !! ;-)).... and you are all apologized regarding french'accent lol.... it's a very-not-easy language !.... so it is vice-versa... but it could be very funny though hahah !... Thank you for your very good job from Québec ✌️👍
I have absolutely no idea how ..
I stumbled upon this story and video? However I was with no doubt Taken by all of it .You have thee most intriguing voice and Talent in story telling Justice was served alone by the way it was told , the wonderful old photographs was a bonding plus! I truly wouldn’t have it any other way .Never in my lifetime have I payed so much Undivided attention to anything like I have listening to this story ..Finding myself truly lost within .. Dear sir
I might not know how I stumbled upon it ? but with no doubt will be a fan of yours forever . Your ability to tell that story yet be so humbling about any mistake in pronunciation at the end jus made me smile more .. We lack so much in literature and old fashion story telling it’s so hard to keep the interest of a trillion troubled minds I seem to have forgotten about my own jus listening..
You are a rarity in old fashion forgotten story telling and wish you nothing but continued success .. Never stop or change a thing .. tough world out there no matter what century or world we find ourselves in ...
Remarkably Done ..
Thank you For the escape..
Stay Safe🤗
@@citytyme Thank you so much for reaching out with your lovely message. I'm very touched that my videos have had such a positive effect on you. Such wonderful feedback makes the time and effort well worthwhile.
Bless you for that
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@@izabelledes.3065 Thanks for your really great feedback Izabelle, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)
Keep an eye out for people like this.
Doc Bailey HAHAHA
good one
So, Emilia, that was victimized by their dad, actually got to remain a nun, and escaped the nightmare of that horrendous family? At least, that's good to know. ♡
OneOfTheMasses * if you knew what happend to nuns in those days or to illegitimate kids in those days... there are TONS of documentaries on youtube about it. look up "800 babies found in a septic tank in Ireland". They worked children to death, starved & threw away babies, raped by priests. Horrific.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/order-nuns-dumped-up-800-9979348.amp
Kelli In Texas No one asked.Why show?????
Absolutely true. Horrible places, the orphanages run by religion. This girl didn't "escape" any horrors by becoming a nun.
Why show? In case people don't know.
Why NOT "show"?
Kelli In Texas She joined the order willingly.
I was so enthralled by the story I didn’t realize I had cleaned my entire kitchen! I will definitely listen to more of these stories. Thank you for the videos!
Glad you enjoyed it! Please come and watch my videos at my place. lol
@@ObsoleteOddity it is awesome that you are still replying to comments on a three year old video!
@@wendycampingmom7510 All comments come in a constant feed in my notifications, regardless of how old the video is :)
@@ObsoleteOddity LOLOL
I could sleep to this. Not because it is boring (far from it actually) but because your voice and the background music make it seem like I am being told a bedtime story lol.
Thank you for that my friend, it is indeed a bedtime story, a creepy one.
Kind sir, what continues to set your videos apart is the intriguing contrast between the horrific content of the tale and your natural talent for the telling of it. The attention to detail in research and presentation is complemented by the cool and calm narration. Where Hitchcock attempted, you have succeeded. Bravo! PS The eyeball bit gave me the shivers!
Elaine - THANK YOU for using the appropriate "complement' in your post. As a result, your comment was nice to read.
Well that's a stupendous compliment Elaine! I thank you sincerely for such praise...I love 'Hitch's' work, so it's really made my day..I have a great bunch of souls following here on my channel...it most certainly makes up for the occasional vile & abusive comments that I have to e-toilet flush daily.
Merci :)
What a lovely comment! And Oddy pay no mind to those negative comments, don't even give them a second thought.
Beth G
Thanks Beth - nah they don't bother me, they're either envious or wanting attention from people...the internet is a perfect place for them to vent their spleen without getting their teeth knocked out, lol
Have a sunny weekend my friend!
Not using modern stock images make your video superior to the others. Keep up your style. 👍👍👍
Thanks for your very kind feedback - very much appreciated :)
This is why I keep coming bk and donate hes my PBS kids have to keep him around. In 2020 quarantine and all I love this channel I'm bending it today just want to leave a comment KeepSafe blessings and love.
ObsoleteOddity you have a great voice my god
YEAH QUITE RIGHT BOUT THT SIR, AND THE MELANCHOLIC PIANO CHORDS JUST AMPLIFY THE CREEPYNESS OF THIS VIDEO, ITS LIKE BEING DRAGGED INTO THE VICTORIAN PERIOD! GREAT STUFF
DEFINITELY agree!
What a sad story. These girls' abusive upbringing obviously had horrible psychological consequences. I hope they're together and at peace now, wherever they are.
I hope their tortured victims are at peace now
@@lesjohn534 Me, too. Hopefully they're all at peace, both the girls and their victims, because this was a case where the perpetrators of violence were victims as well. No, of course their traumatic upbringing doesn't excuse their behavior, but it certainly explains it and points to that, had they grown up differently, they most likely wouldn't have done what they did.
@@AliciaNyblade Being abused does not give you the green light to be a murderer. Please.....
@@missmargmillionaire6421 yeah that’s true aren’t the steers dead now or would they still be able to to be alive?
@@missmargmillionaire6421there is such thing As snapping you know. Having repeated abuse and psychological problems is absolutely an “excuse” for murder. Especially if the people being murdered are the main cause for such mental breakdowns. Those house owner’s would’ve ruined their reputation and They would’ve never been hired again. To be left on the streets after all they went through would definitely cause them to snap.
How do people even get turned on by children like seriously wth.
They don't get turned on. Its control and the taking of the child's innocence. As theirs was taken by an adult no doubt.
That shit baffles TF outta me ill never understand that sick shit.
It is some kind of mental illness . Search " paraphilic disorders " on google, there you will find your answer. Hope it helps.
I feel like it's good to not understand that particular one. I can't even see someone as an adult when they're 30, if I knew them when they were a kid, they're always a kid to me.
@@virtiehill2955 No there are people who are genuinely into kids.
It's sick don't just say it's about control.
If a child receives no love in their early years this dictates their future...
Yes and no. I am slowly taking back my life and just recently, with some help, started to understand why I did a lot of the things I did growing up and into adulthood. I was lucky enough to have the right help at the right time, and understand that my mother had her own demons. I actually forgive her, not for her sake, but for mine. It's been like lifting a ton of bricks off my chest!! I did not deserve to be treated the way I was and cannot go back and change it. I can only go forward with my new knowledge and inner strength, and determination. I also hope to help others who have had similar experiences. I think it's horrible to not have a mother's love, and I would never excuse it, but I don't think it will absolutely dictate a person's future. However, you're mostly right, because it CAN completely ruin some people, so, Idk? Sorry for rambling. And, bottom line, I mostly agree. Lol. :)
@@dawndriscoll513 Good on you for being a survivour :)
@@lornocford6482 Thank you!! : )
Well stated
@@dawndriscoll513 halo..i have a friend who was been abuse by her family..how can i help her?
I recall my mother asking me to wake her from a nap when I was 7. When the time arrived for me to wake her I knocked on the door and was greeted with " LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE GD STUPID KID ". That was 44 years ago and I can still see myself at eye level with the door knob getting yelled at for something I was told to do. My biological father was very emotionally abusive saying I was a lying piece of shit , a piece of crap and good for nothing. My step-father would constantly try to start physical fights with me when I was in my early to mid teens. Many years later I was 36 and he was 65+ when he tried it again. Difference was that this time I stood up to him. He literally ran away like a little girl when approached by me.
I'm telling you this to let you know what emotional and verbal abuse does or can do to a person. I now have bipolar disorder, have had a few suicide attempts and trust absolutely no one %100, not even my wife. Also my temper is extreme when not on meds. Because of the possibility of an explosive temper I no longer own guns . That was something I found necessary . I can function but am better left alone therefore I drive an 18 wheeler cross country.
Watch what you say and do to or around children. It will effect the way they turn out.
I would say severe neglect also can cause this. I grew up in a severe hoarding situation. Animals, trash,clutter, you name it. Saw alot of pain and death because the animals were not taken care of properly, had a perverse father, and I grew up balancing on plastic soda bottles. As a young adult I got kidnapped and raped. I then went into an very abusive relationship where i was held captive for years and I was not even allowed to step outside.
I now have bipolar, PTSD, depression, and anxiety disorder
I wonder if my parents had not been hoarders and I could have had friends over and a community if i would have had a better life.
@@kathlyn5807 💗
@@kathlyn5807 God bless you, I pray that you have found peace in your life
I could listen to this guy read the phone book and it would be interesting.
Thank you so much! 😊
My thoughts exactly!🙈 Loving the narrator's voice.
So clear. I speak English badky and I was able to understand every word. Amazing voice. i
Lol same.. so soothing
Ok I was scrolling I stopped to give it a try cause your comment made me laugh. Now let’s see how it is 😚
Many native English speaking CZcamsrs don't care about how to pronounce foreign words and even make fun to hide their own inability. But you tried and made a decent effort to pronounce the words correctly and in doing that showed respect for other languages. I'm Belgian and French is only my second language, but I, and I'm sure the French speaking communities, appreciate this effort.
This is the first of your videos I watched, but there will be more. Great story, well narrated, fitting pictures to create a weird and spooky atmosphere. I love it!
And now to hit that subscribe button.
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback Mario 😊
Actually people who speak French as their native tongue, or for whom the language is part of their country's heritage, like yourself - tend to be be forgiving of my attempts, but it's very usually English speaking people who speak French fluently, who are the most critical. So I thank you for your good grace Sir!
You seem very wholesome.
Not at all,, we are just proud of our universal language and all the inventions etc. Cest la vie!!
I was waiting to see the 'milky white eyeball staring back at me'. You did not disappoint.
lol :)
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Same
this story shows how a dark, terrible evil can lurk and fester in the depths of people's minds and souls, possibly unknown even to the person who harbors it.
PaineMe: good point. it was the employers fault. accountability is overrated.(smell that sarcasm?)
Vol de Mort: i disagree. when serial killers are caught, neighbors always say: "i never suspected him to be like that! he was always quiet but friendly, kept to himself, but nice, helpful." john wayne gacy helped entertain as a clown at kid's parties. evil does not always have a particular face.
Karpov Liam: your reasoning is what's wrong with today's society. nobody wants to take accountability for their actions or misdeeds. it's easier to blame your ills on being victimized. yes they had a shitty upbringing, but that doesn't justify brutally murdering people.
*_"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere_*
*_insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to_*
*__separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line_*
*__dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And_*
*__who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”_*
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
I'm pretty sure the reason for their evil deed is much simpler - mental illness.
" You had me at milky eyeball. "
The sisters are charming aren't they. 😱🖤
I have a milky eyeball... cataracts.
Amen.
I'm sixteen and I was sexually abused by a family member for 6 years (ages 4-10). I can tell you right now that when you are blamed by people you will do any thing to gain that feeling of control again. I'm not a psychologist but I honestly believe that they both just wanted control again and took out the anger in the form of murder on the people who were at their breaking point the ones considered the ones who dictate their life to them. I may be way, way off but I can imagine that is at least some what close to their thoughts.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, I hope you're feeling better. 💗
this is the first "video" of yours I have watched and I have to say "Well Done" . You managed to tastefully cover a gruesome crime without going for the gory sensationalism common of most of these channels.
GRENDEL S. RAGE same, this is his first video and I too agree with you!
I love. The narrative being spoken. I am legally blind and can’t read it fast enough. I’ve been looking for a site like this!
Many thanks for your kind feedback Monica - Much appreciated :)
God bless you, Monica...I can tell you don't let your disability get the best of you...you go, girl!!! I had a best friend in Jr high school who was blind and she didn't stop for anything...unless you knew her personally, one would have never known she was blind...Lee did everything and didn't let her disability slow her down for one minute...I also used to babysit for a neighbor who was going blind since she was a teen (got a very bad virus that settled in her eyes) and she slowly went blind (could see only faint shadows)...never slowed Ellie down either...drove until she absolutely had to give it up, worked at a national laboratory and had, like, size 124 font on her computer so she could work (our employer went out of their way for people w/disabilities) and always had her beloved dog at her side...her dogs throughout her life allowed her to do whatever Ellie wanted to do...sadly, Ellie passed away last year in her early '80s and her beloved dog was right there w/all of us, celebrating her life...so, Monica, YOU GO, GIRL, and HAVE A WONDERFUL FULFILLING LIFE!!!🎇💝🎆
Nice to see such positivity here...good on all you folks.
Hi Monica. Me too. I've been losing my sight over the past decade and although I can still see through a window in my left eye it is very difficult to read and comprehend quickly. Although I am fortunate to have a lot of AI that converts written text into audible it is so refreshing to just click a video that tells the story with narration completely. The medical field is advancing quickly so maybe help is just around the corner. Cheers Love
I can't read it fast enough and my eyes are fine (I've got my own health issues). Whatever doesn't kill us is still a huge pain in the ass. But I agree the narration is great, and I'm glad we both found this channel.
This is so similar to how Ransom Riggs creates his novels. He used old images. I’m a big fan of him. He’s the writer of the novel series Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children.
I found your video by chance and I am amazed with how you tried to tell these stories by using photos from the same time period. That’s a lot of work since there’s not much photos that can be found from those times and they’re very limited.
I appreciate your positive feedback, yes it’s very hard to find factual or even suitable photos from those eras.
I’d heard about the sisters before, but I really liked this presentation. It’s such a ghastly, horrific incident, and I really feel for the victims of this crime. But the sisters were also victims of another sort - that doesn’t justify what they did, but it also has to make one think about how someone ultimately chooses to commit acts like that. Sad story.
So sad... the narrator has the perfect voice for stories such as these...
Nice video!
First one I've seen from you. I like how you include the texted version so I can actually watch these without the voice if I want to (like in a public place without disturbing others), but also read them out loud - with your clear voice - which enables me to hear the story without looking at the screen (like when I do my makeup or clean the house). And the pictures and sound effects and not-too-loud music that fits the atmosphere... Very nice work (Y)
I'm subscribing.
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I saw this story on Deadly women. I like that there is more details here.
I didn't know they were on there! Funny because I said these are definitely some deadly women!! I will have to locate the episode on Deadly Women!
Me 2
I have no words. There is nothing I can say to make less disturbing. Their story is horrifying and sad.
As interesting as the story is, I found your narration of it is what kept my interest at a constant high. You are a natural. Thank you.
I like that the pictures are essentially just indicative of the times. the old pics and paintings unrelated still illustrate the world that the story takes place. puts me right in it.
Thank you.
Don’t use Modern Images! The period images that you use adds a creepy effect and reinforces the reality of the story! With your narration, it’s like listening to and reading a picture book about a scary story! Keep up the good work! 👍😊👌
Thanks for your very kind feedback, I appreciate it :)
Absolutely tragic, and although this is not the greatest of words for the situation - fascinating. I have just stumbled onto your videos quite by accident, and am now fearing that I am hooked and be up FAR too late watching others. Great job and appreciate that they are honest, but not flagrantly or obscenely gruesome.
I appreciate that, thank you very much 🙏
This video has been following me around CZcams and I've been avoiding it because it looked so creepy but I'm glad I finally watched. I'm definitely subscribing.
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Pequenaerra me too! Every freaking video!
Same, it kept appearing and I finally watched. Great video.
HI DAHYUN 😉😉😉😉
BELATED HAPPY BDAY DUBU
I am one of your French speaking fan from Quebec City, Canada. I, unfortunately, spend way too much time on CZcams (I have a big job with TONS of responsibilities and two kids), and your channel surely is to blame for my time on this app! 😜 Nonetheless, I have always a blast watching your videos, especially now that you are reading and talking to us! Definitely one of the best channel on CZcams! Thank you so much!!! Big hugs and kisses from the other side of the big pound! 🇨🇦
Thank you so much!!
Tara verte 78 you have TONS of responsibilities yet you spend way to much time on CZcams. What a bazaar dichotomy you find yourself in.
Mark Winberry Yes, I mean at the job... 😜. You are so right, my sentence was super weird! It happens when English is NOT your first language! 😉
Snax Pendragon Merci beaucoup! 😉 (Thank you very much! 😉)
the way this video was put together- the narration, music, sound affects were perfect!!! very interesting
Thank you very much!
Wow that story was something else. It's very hard to imagine how some people have horrible childhoods & end up in situations like these two did.--- You did a great job in narrating & in French pronunciation -- The photos were perfect & enhanced the story --- Great job --- Debbie
Thanks for your very kind feedback Debbie, I appreciate it. :)
Misplaced anger at their own real mother.
Ava Alexander Exactly!
I'm not sure about that. Why did Mme. Lancelin turn on them etc. See my comment earlier.
that's all this really was; the straw that broke the camel's back. on top of that, they only ever had each other.
Ava Alexander
I knew of an autistic child who killed the high school bully because he blamed him for every other bully he had ever encountered. This was dangerous hidden anger.
The story of the two girls became a famous play titled The Maids by Jean Genet, a french playwright. I played the Madame in an American rendition of the play. It was a really fun role and a creepy and haunting play. This was a great retelling of the real story. Bravo 👏
Ur pix clix. I'm a Londoner .. to b or not to b..
It was also made into a play by Wendy Kesselman "My Play" and adapted into a 1994 film titled "Sister My Sister".
Je vous remercie
Amazing!!!!
Jessica Margaret Dean why was the lady nice at first and then become such a bitch?
I read about these sisters in a Readers Digest magazine or similar about thirty years ago and have never forgotten their story. So sad and disturbing. Loved hearing your telling of it...your voice is very calming. Thank you!
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊
Another one of those videos that I never would have searched, but here I am.
This may sound weird but your voice is so beautiful. Love it so much!
Jelila4ever I agree!
I think you did a wonderful job bringing that story to light. The images all seemed appropriate as was the music. Your French pronunciation was actually quite fine. As for the story itself, grizzly. I can actually see the killer in the eyes of the one sister (the older one)... she really creeps me out. Thanks for this my daily dose of the macabre..
Thanks for your great feedback my friend!
Much appreciated :)
Wow, just WOW! What a story! My heart was beating rapidly the entire time. Unbelievable, I could listen to you read for hours. Came upon your channel over two hours ago and I haven’t left. God bless! ☺️
Wow, thank you!
The quality of your work is phenomenal! How fortunate I feel to have access to such quality. I have watched for years and want to express my deep gratitude and respect. Thank you!
Thanks for your kind words, that's so nice of you.
I only planned to watch for a few minutes. The voice is hypnotizing!
Thank you!
Same here. The narrator completely drew me in. What a horrible story, though.
The voice is creepy. But im not sure what that says about me since I watched to the end.
It is
I was just passing by as well and watched to the end
There's a lesson in this... be good to your children.
tiffsaver I’m no murderer but I went through the exact same childhood and can say it 100% leaves you with mental illnesses.
I thought the lesson was... be good to your housekeepers.
Their narcisistic personalwty disorderd mother sure have been abused gerself as a child. For sure. Life is horror. I feel like abandoning everything I have believed in so far in my life & become a Goth 😪
@@PinkbubblegumPop
Don't become a Goth, become YOURSELF. You're an original, and there is only one of you. With all the craziness in the world, it's easy to become lost and afraid. Just remain centered, follow your passion, and focus on the light, which is God. There are only two paths in life, one of fear, or one of love. Since fear cannot exist in the presence of love, choose LOVE.
The kids are unwanted. That's why the mother treat them bad. Why didn't she get an abortion?
In the sickest minds of pedophiles , they truly believe that they are being seduced therefore believe the child wanted it. Always believe the child,
This was a great story! The Papin Sisters' story appeared on an episode of Deadly Women which was good but left out so much detail.
Hi, love your videos! I'm french,and really enjoyed how you said;Le bon pasteur,it was perfect 👌
Why thank you! Was that the only one I got right? lol
Lydz;hello!moi aussi je suis française! ouééé,on est au moins deux!j adore cette chaine et Oddie est un gentlemen...
haha,no I've picked up "gendarme"too and "mademoiselle" but Jean Genet was a bit laborious 😉 ... keep up the good work
ObsoleteOddity
I speak Québec French & you did quite well!!!
XO :)
lol, yeah I thought I'd fluffed it on his name...I just haven't got the French 'flow' :)
1:40 who believes a 10 year old seduced someone??????? wtf really...
Because some people are creeps =_=
My thoughts exactly.
Try being a manipulative six year old being punished for deliberately controlling the adults around you.
Not only confusing, it hurts when bones break.
Only selfish, emotionally immature adults accuse innocent children of such a thing
Unfortunately, some people have this same mindset today.
Next time I'm asking my boyfriend for money to buy shoes, I'll just say "please provide the resources I'm going to need on my shopping expedition"
Lol
😂😂
Funny girl
Your stories are so well detailed that I usually don't realize I've heard them before until at least 5 to 10 minutes in. Until you said the girls had a balcony I didnt realize I'd heard their story before! You give so much more detail than any other (enjoyable) source I've found!
Thank you!
Your voice is so soothing and I could literally listen to your voice for hours
Thanks my friend!
The man has a great voice and narration. Kept me glued the entire video. My first time watching an ObseleOddity video.
My first time watching one to.i was like wtf is with these woman.but i couldnt stop listening to the story
Johnny Yuma he sounds like daniel craig..
I love your stories and your little things you do on the photos. Keep up the awesome work. Can't wait till the next one.
Thank you so much!
Im new but soon became obsessed!!! Love this channel I stumbled on my accident!! Love it
I’m happy to hear that, thank you so much and welcome aboard!
This is a sad story. I spent 20 years being caretaker and ran the house of a very wealthy single woman. For reasons too complicated to explain , she physically assaulted me in the kitchen. Scratched and bruised my arm and hit me in the face hard enough to make my nose bleed. This was in front of of 3 witnesses. Needles to say I walked out never to return. No matter how sweet they may seem at first, telling you how much you are needed, but you soon become part of the family like an old stick of furniture .
These women were the dregs of society. I guess I was too.
mary pro Damn...truly sorry to hear it. Having said that, I've known some great dregs. Been there myself 😎
How can people treat people so badly? 😭😭😭😭😭
What did the needles say
+Soph Dennis lol
+Soph Dennis Thank you!! my faith in humanity is coming back. Ahhhhhhhh
I'm in that weird side of youtube again ....
Sofia Isabel Oviedo Mejia same tho
Sofia Isabel Oviedo Mejia lol I call it the terrifying rabbit hole that I fall into when I'm not careful lol
Sofia Isabel Oviedo Mejia haaaaaaaaa me too x
Heather Smith-Jarvis thats the dark hole im in rn I was watching BTS crack and I got here
Sofia Isabel Oviedo Mejia same man
The best video on this case. Better than some official TV documentaries. Even the great Hitchcock himself would envy your storytelling skills
I appreciate that!
Thank you so much for your kind feedback
There are lots of abusive parents out there, be it physical or mental. It's a wonder not all of us are killers.
How utterly tragic. You did a wonderful job with this story, both giving a factual account of what happened and in evoking sympathy for the horrible damage that abuse left behind in those sisters even years after the fact. Another great video!
My mother and aunt had a life like this sent to a farm where they worked for years then sent out to a factory then finally found husbands and mom had me, then life really turned out bad...
Your French was quite nice, especially for a native English speaker! Well done, my friend. Tu parles bien le français. Les anglophones qui parles bien comme vous, c'est rare!
This is the third video I have watched this evening from obsolete oddities, I had never watched before,. I must say I am so glad that I strayed from my usual playlist.. I absolutely love the way you tell the stories, thank you so much
Wow, thank you! Thanks very much for your kind feedback Tiffany 😊 much appreciated!
This is an amazing source of information on the case and the sister's lives. I'm doing research for my podcast and watched this over and it gave me so much more in depth info than other sources! Great work!
Glad it was helpful!
There is something about the tone of your voice that reminds me of the wonderful Alan Rickman (may he R.I.P)! Very interesting channel, brilliant attention to detail and could listen to this narration all day.
I'm glad to have stumbled upon your channel.
Great feedback my friend- thank you so much. I can't reply to all the
fabulous comments from my viewers..but from time to time, some catch my
eye (& heart)
A lot have mentioned I sound like Alan Rickman - a great actor he was! I guess there are some similarities.
Don't apologize for your pronunciation, it sounded very good to me!! And your voice is great..soothing and yet creepy--perfect for this material!! :D
Great feedback my friend - thank you so much.
This was very well done for my tastes. Bravo!
Usually, when I click a link and discover that Im about to hear a narrated story I quickly lose interest and find something else. Not this time though.
Your voice is pleasing, you speak plainly and clearly, and this is the most important thing : YOU PUT THE WORDS ON THE SCREEN! That's magic for me because I often can't hear or understand what is being said and so I often tune out.
Including pictures related to the events and your background and other related imagery are just icing on the cake. Well done sir. Call me a subscriber!
Thanks for your very kind feedback, I appreciate it.
Agreed wholeheartedly!
What is most relevant is that the luminaries - Sartre, et al - defended the women on the basis of wealth/power disparity. If one were to trace the sisters' mother and father's background, I believe one would find these disparities in the extreme, until the cauldron boils over. Today many cauldrons are boiling over and for the same reasons.
Mr Narrator, you have an intelligent, respectful and pleasing voice and wonderful connection to your viewers. Because of this, I'm inspired to watch more, despite creepiness!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback Constance - much appreciated :)
These sisters are the perfect example of what happens when people are treated like animals and beat and abused from infancy and every time they begin to find a small light the darkness of abuse seeped back in once again. When the madame became abusive towards the girls, just as their father, grandfather and mother had been all of their lives, they snapped. They were obviously insane. While what they did was horrifying and unconscionable, it is a very real example of why we need to help children who are in bad homes who are beaten, starved, used and neglected. This could have been avoided had anyone throughout their formative years stepped in to help these girls and shown them that life was not all simply abuse and sadness. I feel badly for the family killed but also find that even though I cannot imagine the horror of what those two sisters did to that family, I still find myself feeling deep sadness for them as well. They knew only suffering and that led to a decision they could never take back. Really sad the whole thing.
Most 'so called' intellectuals sitting in their ivory towers pronounce their lofty opinions which are totally skewed sometimes.
They lashed out against the one person who had treated them with kindness. Kind of puts the lie to that of thought doesn't it?
A very heart felt story.
Your pronunciation was lovely.
Loving your voice as always. From the UK 🇬🇧
Them cleaning up afterwards was not evidence of sanity or being calculated.
They were maids - they cleaned regularly. In times of shock or trauma, a boring job which you can do without thinking is often calming. I am not surprised that this is what they did first.
Retha F you are rite I know this because my parents would argue nearly every night when I was younger and all I could do to cope with this was clean up around the house I often think about this and what an odd human behavior that it is.
Good point, doing things by rote when in shock.
@@ProudBastardArtscom Doing things by rote?
I thought the very same thing. They were professionally maids of course they're going to want to cook them and clean .😂😂😂 crazy!!
Yes. It is now known that the frontal part of the brain, which takes care of moral reasoning and making decisions, shuts down under stress, and then one defaults to a kind of automatic pilot.
Why does it seem like the older the story the scarier? Thank you for your videos.