The Dancer Locked Away for 50 years - A Candle Burned Bright - Lucia Joyce
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This documents the life of Lucia Joyce, (1907-1982) daughter of the literary giant James Joyce. A gifted child who was doted on by her father - Lucia showed great promise, and her father had high hopes for her.
It appears she was born for the dance, and created her own fabulous costumes....alas storms were brewing in her mind. Press the play button my viewers and enter into the sad tale of Lucia's life.
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A Flower Given to My Daughter - James Joyce
Frail the white rose and frail are
Her hands that gave
Whose soul is sere and paler
Than time's wan wave.
Rosefrail and fair- yet frailest
A wonder wild
In gentle eyes thou veilest,
My blueveined child.
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Why, YT, why?????
Ridiculous this vid is demonetized!! Omg
Wow CZcams are really on a witch hunt aren't they. Quite a few of my YT friends have started posting videos on Instagram tv now to free themselves of the hassle 😕
Jenny Corey They should just leave Oddie alone. They ignore all the truly horrible and disgusting videos. I guess he is an easy target because he only has 220+ k subs and not millions. Sad. Niffy
Can we take a moment to appreciate the costumes she made for herself? Hand making garments is a nearly forgotten art that so many people never even consider to be a creative medium. She clearly had a lot of talent in more than just dance.
Absolutely.
I think her costumes looked amazing. Much more creative than some of the BS costumes celebrities wear made from designers.
Yes I rewound 10 seconds several times to really look at it. Imagine how bold it must've been at that time to be so creative and cheeky!! I'm sure there was clutching of pearls oh how scandalous my god 😱 she was just fab but not appreciated in her own right. Truly a sad story I hope she's at peace now and having a giggle at us being wowed ❤️
@@Richard-zc1cj well it was no meat-dress, nor were there titty cones or big wigs with most of her face pulled tight and stapled to the back of her head, isn't that what talent is nowadays. She wasn't even sitting on an elephant, or shouting at another artist with her enhanced ass on show
I shall second that. My school friend in Prague makes her own clothes, keeping the history alive.
Being that I am a Nurse, I have taken care of many whom have Mental Health battles and once admitted into facilities, their family disappears. We, meaning the medical staff become their extended family.
Lucia was not forgotten because Oddity you told her story. You brought her life and struggle to our awareness. Another, Great Video by you 👏🏼👍👏🏼.
Thanks for your very kind words Serena - bless you for that :)
Great observation Serena 😃 So much respect for you. *hugs*
Yes, you sound like a good person. But, a lot of ppl that go into an insane asylum get treated like shit from the workers. I've seen it first hand.. (Kimmy Hawk)
Maybe in our days/times an early intervention for ADHD would have stemmed the progress of the mental illness?
Oh how sad that it wasn’t possible in her days! What a terrible fate. 😭😭😭
You might be surprised at just how many non-mothering
“ mothers “ compete with their beautiful daughters....
.. especially when the fathers love their daughters.
Thats,crazy.... but true.
Yes, especially when those fathers forget about their wives & treat their daughters like their betrothed.
Narcissistic mothers and their daughters. Happens quite alot
That was my sick narcissist mother!!!!!
Im pretty sure she had me to keep my dad who was married already with kids..
kvKHAI-studio Well if my daughter’s father treated her like his betrothed he’d no longer be in my home. There is a name for men like that
As a dancer who suffers from schizophrenia myself, Lucia's story hits hard on so many levels. Thank you for telling her story and ensuring she isn't forgotten to history.
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊
As did the great Russian dancer and choreographer Nijinsky. Hopefully, the medical and psychological care is better now than it was then. His wife took him all over Europe trying to find a doctor to help him but the state of the medical arts and sciences were not up to the job. I wish you well.
Loved the “animated” still photographs. I’ve never seen that before. It’s very affective.
Yea its what sets this channel ahead of all rivals. Its effective and atmospherical.
How is that done? It's really 😎
Effective
@@nicoledoubleyou both. 😊
@@violagentsch There is a way to do it in Photoshop. It isn't super complicated.
She is not completely forgotten thanks to you and your video tribute.
LONG LIVE LUCIA❤️💯🌹💋🌹💋🌹❤️🌹💋🌹❤️
Kind of you to recognize her and, sad as was her life, show her respect.
YES THAT IS VERY SWEET, POOR LADY SHE WAS SO TALENTED AND ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT LIFE B4 SHE WAS DESTROYED MENTALLY💯
@@piashadononfroy1261 I believe we are probably all, at times, only a degree away from mental illness. In fact, we may all ride a continuum between sanity and insanity.
@@PYC000 YES GIRL I BELIEVE YOUR RIGHT, THERE IS SO MUCH TRAGEDIES AT TIMES IT SEEMS AS IF NOW AND DAYS WE ARE ALL CASUALTIES OF SOME KIND OF WAR🌹
So sad. A lot of "families" throw away family members who don't have a typical mentality. There were a couple girls born in the royal family who were disabled. They put them in an institution and never visited. When they passed away, weren't given a proper burial. Disgusting. It's not just mental illness people can't handle. They can't deal with profound disabilities either. My adult son is profoundly disabled... even though I know there's more to him that what appears. I hardly hear from my "family." My husband's " family" have abandoned us and they live close. It's politically incorrect to say my son makes them uncomfortable so I'm the scapegoat. I kind of expected it from my husband's father because he was a bad father and horrible man but my husband's mother did it as well. We never thought she would do it. Whenever she did stop and visit my son would get up from his favorite chair he sat in while watching t.v. and give her a big smile and hug. This she turned her back to. Because my son doesn't speak, because my son can't function as a typical person , he and us as well,have been shunned. I'll never forgive them. If anyone reading this has a family member with mental illness or mild to profound disabilities please be more caring and not so selfish as to not spend any of your time with them. Life is to short to live it selfishly and to close minded to go outside your comfort zone.
@Blue Likewise... it really sucks for some of us who have crappy families who aren't there for you. Instead of giving a helping hand they gossip, make up lies and excuses to justify their actions. Pathetic. Oh well..karma will come for them someday... it always does. Best wishes in a better future for us!
One thing that has kept my chin up, is knowing I'll never act like THOSE PEOPLE.
God Bless You and your in depth view... I hope many others read it!
Reminds me of the Kennedys
@@kristineill2378 yup, what my stepdad did after childhood abuse and him taking my mom's money when she died even though he cheated on her and they were almost fully divorced, she died a week before the divorce was finalized and he got her money on a technicality then never came around or grieved with me or anything
I retired from psychiatric nursing in 2014. Things have changed since those days, but sadly not by much. There are laws and rules to protect patients. but they're still heavily doped. My favorite Patient (Jim) was schizophrenic, he had 3 PhDs and a violent temper. He always behaved when I was around. I had studied quantum mechanics as a hobby, so I got his nerdy jokes. One day I left the ER for 10 min to get a coffee, Jim was asleep when I left. When I got back to the ER there were roughly 15-20 cops, sheriffs, and COs in a bunch in the hall. Jim woke up while I was gone and busted into the nurses station to look for me. At 6'5" he was somewhat imposing. He was restrained and on a cart when I showed up, he looks up at me and says, "Hey I was just looking for you". He was running through the nurses station and the back halls and offices yelling my name. He couldn't remember why he needed to see me, just that it was urgent. My girlfriend (the charge nurse) said, "Holy shit buddy, you should of seen him, he was like a wildebeest in here!" I had to promise to never leave the unit if Jim was in the house. Lol. Good times!!
What happened to Jim? Do you know?
My guess is he's still crazy. He was a very antisocial person, didn't have many friends. I miss his nerdy math and physics jokes. From what I hear he still gets taken to psych ER usually by police.
pinam27
Well,at least he had a friend in you😊
My uncle is a paranoid schizophrenic in an asylum for the attempted murder of my father. He was very smart in math and very good at getting the hospital staff to like him despite his criminal nature. Back in 201y, he grabbed a wheelchair, beat 5 people (2 of them nurses) half to death, jumped out the 3rd story window, jumped over the 8' stone wall, and the police caught him as he was running down the road. They are so dangerous.
They can be, but not all paranoid schizophrenics (PS) are homicidal. Jim was like a bull in a china shop, he would push and struggle against restraint, but he never targeted people to hurt them. I've known many PS people that were totally non violent. That being said some PS folk Are so psychotic they get violent, which sounds like your uncle. Did he get better with meds? It must have been hard for your family.
Years ago, I read a biography about Nora Barnacle Joyce, Lucia's mother. The relationship between Nora and James was examined in the book. She was not an educated woman, for starters. Not the least bit literate. As well, they were somewhat kinky. James had a thing about Nora's soiled underwear, for example, ( he liked it ) and she was a bit of a masochist. I gathered that her status as a "dirty, uneducated peasant" - in his eyes - made him feel more important. He was of common Irish ancestry, too, not an aristocrat by any stretch. James drank heavily and treated Nora quite badly when drunk but she remained slavishly devoted to him. The out of wedlock births of their children was unconventional for the times, to say the least, and the social stigma of being a "bastard" probably hurt Lucia more than anyone would ever acknowledge. It may actually have impeded her prospects of marriage and social advancement in adulthood. The whole story of Lucia's adult life is terribly sad. I never knew what happened to her. Thanks, Oddie!.
Thank you for that additional information my friend.
jabbermocky, thank you for sharing more information. Such a sad story.
jabbermocky
I was also kinda thinking about the closeness of Lucia and her dad,I mean if there was a possibility that there was incest? I'm guessing if there was, in those days,it wouldn't of been talked about,or found out.
Joann P: Thanks for replying. It's interesting to ponder but we'll never know. The information I shared, above, is based on gleanings from Brenda Maddox's 2000 biography, "Nora: The Real Life of Molly Bloom", and the book didn't go into James Joyce's relationships with his children much. You should give it a read. I have just discovered that a biographical film also titled "Nora" was released in 2000. Haven't seen it but will try to now. Obsolete Oddity inspires me SO much! Cheers from Providence.
Molly's soiled underwear in Ulysses))
Sadly lots of these human lives lost when locked into early history mental institutions. Sometimes these poor people was locked away for not doing as they was told or for being to radical for their time. Was visiting a large closed mental house some years back in Sweden when they was rebuilding it to ordinary apartments. While talking to the manager he wanted to show me something and was taking me to a old grave yard inside this mental house where it was a lot of crosses over past away mental patients. Old and worned out crosses without names just numbers. Some was of kids who got a strange marker on their cross. They didnt even got their name on their last resting place. The reason they all was burried in a area outside the church was because by that time people didnt even want these poor mental patients in the same place as the other dead people when even after dead they was considered as shameful. A sad reminder of how humanity works. Thanks for the story.
Fonzie Bulldog ((
Heartbreaking.
That’s so sad. Those poor people. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
Those lost and sad lives . . . no words
My therapist said that it was happening again. Some families are ashamed of their children and don't want anyone to know.
What a heartbreaking story! Her mother was probably very jealous of her daughter when she was dancing, designing her own clothes, having the ability to speak 5 languages, etc., with Nora being uneducated. And then to top it off, Lucia and her father had their own secret language and Nora was not a part of it. Even when Lucia was sent off, Nora still didn't have the attention of James because he was trying to find a way, place, or doctor to help her. Very sad on all sides. And this was an excellent piece, Odd, thank you and I enjoyed it very much!
Thank you for your very kind feedback Jenny - much appreciated :)
Lol wasn't she doing her father?
From an ex Ballet dancer, this was an especially sad story....Reminded me a bit of Nijinsky and his tragic end in mental Hospital. Thank you for your especially tender handling of this heartbreaking video.
redlantern the story of Niinjinsky would be another great Oddy story.
@Science Fiction Double Feature It certainly would! So would Olga Spessivtseva (another very famous and beautiful dancer that ended up in a mental Hospital). It was said that of the two sides of an apple, Anna Pavlova was the side that had grown in the sun and Spessivtseva the side that had grown in the shade.
S Diaghilev would be an awesome one to do too! He was never a dancer, yet he started the Ballet Russes! Had a love affair with Nijinsky... and infused all of that days finest artists into his Company!
I can well imagine Nora's jealousy. Nora had sacrificed and suffered in being with Joyce and taking care of him. I can imagine she felt Joyce's love and devotion should devolve on her alone. Lucia's free and easy rapport with her father must have been galling to Nora. But to abandon her daughter to such poor care seems monstrous. Thank you for such a sensitive portrait.
hiya
Nora had sacrificed and suffered in being with Joyce and taking care of him. I can imagine she felt Joyce's love and devotion should devolve on her alone. Lucia's free and easy rapport with her father must have been galling to Nora. But to abandon her daughter to such poor care seems monstrous. Thank you for such a sensitive portrait.
FEEL THE SAME
HERE
V INTERESTING VID, better than Oddie's other Vids... especially when he veeres towards the "paranormal"
You've done this precious woman justice in your tasteful depiction of her troubled life. Thank you so very much. I'm sure if she could, she would thank you too - especially for you kind remarks at the end. :-)
Thanks for the very kind feedback Rachel, much appreciated :)
In my opinion, and i can relate w Lucia to a certain extent, i believe Ms. Lucia was merely suffering from heartache, which is a real condition that really hurts!! And once the heart breaks, you just can't fix it. A bunch of broken pieces is all that remains. A heart can be stitched up but will always remain in pieces. But then when your heart is already in pieces, then someone else comes in and breaks what is already broken, it really takes a toll on a body! Our hearts are precious and should be handled with care. Take it from me, mine is beyond repair! . And i can understand how one could become very angry!! But why did her heart get broke so many times back to back? I understand she may have just never met "the one", but it's hard to rule out some sort of curse. I hope this lovely lady is somewhere happy, dancing with her father and a man that won't ever break her heart! RIP Lucia
@Maria Kelly as Biden said...😶😬😫😤😖🥵🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤡🥴🤕🤪
Anything that can be broken, can be mended.
Lucia's life story is typical of schizophrenics. And heartache doesn't make a person violent or dangerous.
This was truly a sad story, it made my heart sad..I can't believe her mother abandoned her, to leave her daughter in a horrible place all alone, and died alone, it's heartbreaking...My mother abandoned me when I was young, I never understood why? but as I got older, I wondered why she left me to some strangers? why she didn't love me? I cried many times for her for years, and always wondered why she hurt me like that, because she took my two brothers but left me...My point is, I know how Lucia must of felt all those years, hurting, crying and wondering why her mother abandoned her? why she just left her all alone, and never came to visit her, why her mom didn't love her? that's why I said this story made me sad...I know the feeling of abandonment and being unloved by my mother...
Thank you for sharing the story..
I have 2 sons and I wish nothing more than for a daughter...but its hard sometimes economically maybe your mom was scared of life or maybe she was not able to feed you and dress you. You need to forgive her and remember it was not your fault you must have been a blessing for other people. My best wishes♡
some people are just like that. we should not waste our time and tears on them. My father was the same to me and as a little girl I did cry, but as I grow up and realise it was not worth it. instead of crying over people who left us, just appreciate the good people in our lives.
I'm sorry that you endured this God bless you and your family 🙏 😊☀️ 🌹
My mother abandoned me too
So sad , I hope you have somehow got past it as much as anyone could
I'm an old man now but in my younger days starting with college I'd noticed that the truly artistically talented were to one extent or another mentally unstable. Most displayed it with eccentricities but some were just losing it in a slow spiral. Just an observation. another great video.
Unstable? Perhaps you mean sensitive and intelligent! From this state only comes talent!
Never had "talented" friends and relatives commit suicide have you? Many artist produce their best work while either in a manic state of mind or in a very depressed state. It takes a toll. But artistic talent (as well as some other fields, Higher math for instance) seem to have more than their fair share of "unstable" personalities. It's not a dig nor an insult. It's just something I've noticed (as well as many professionals).
U guess you otta know. Or is your judgement. Rather I suspect you could be a person with litte or no feelings. Clearly you don't understand!
Impressive argument. No, my major in college was art education. It included the fine arts "including theater". Now that you've impressed me with your logic and experience. I'm done feeding the troll. Bye.
shallow an not knowing
Oddie....because of the deplorable conditions early on in Psychiatric facilities and how misunderstood people with mental illness were.... I decided to became a Psychologist at 24 years old.....
Magnificent story......Thank you again❤️💜💗
This was so well done. Just lovely. Sad but lovely. You have done her proud and you sound like a very compassionate man. Thank you.
A horse, some flying birds, smoke from an exhaust pipe - I adore these animated postcards and photos (in all your videos).^__^
Me too! It’s so tenderly done and placed!
Brillant representation of a very very sad life. What a lonely existence and a punishment for what was not understood.
Thank you for this. As a human being who has been exposed to mental illness for most of my life, including as an RN, I know that it is very difficult to treat. The possibilities were so limited at that time. And sadly many women are not compassionate or maternal to their daughters, especially if favored by their father. A sad ending to a bright light; I pray she has found peace and happiness in the afterlife. (Loved the animation)
Thanks very much for your kind feedback and insights, appreciated
Such a sad story. Made me real curious about Lucia so I even did some research on the internet. Found an article about an author Annabel Abbs who wrote a book called The Joyce Girl, which I believe was the first book she ever wrote. Received several awards. May just have to read it. I really enjoy your channel. Really brings the curiosity out in me. Keep up the great work.
Mary Shimek I’m reading it now. It’s good.
Broke my heart, such a talented beautiful person she was. Full of life yet the life itself has been taken away from her for half the century. God bless her soul 💔 .
Thank you Oddie for amazing story as always..
What a sad, sad story. Great visuals too. Family rejection of daughters is a real thing sometimes.
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Monila Ninetynine. Amen to that statement!
Seems that Carl Jung could have truly helped her, had her father not intervened. He could have allowed someone (a spy) to go and ensure that she was being treated well and that conditions were favourable at that facility. The mother obviously had her issues with Lucia and abandoned her. She was waiting for that opportunity. Shame on her. Sweet tragic magic story telling as usual. Thank you!
Star Light
I fully agree. Having read much about Psychoanalysis, Jung, and especially Freud, it is indeed important to "separate" children and parents (for example; sometimes other relationships where there might be an impact from the other person); the relationship between the Psychoanalyst and the patient has to be built up. A "third party" can prevent this.
Thalia you’re spot on!
Jung might have been able to establish a working relationship with Lucia, but schizophrenia could not be treated back then. It's not well treated even today, and schizophrenics still have crappy lives, and on the merry-go-round of mental institutions the rest of their lives.
Her mother had had a very hard life, her daughter's violent, dangerous behavior made it much harder, then her husband died. Her mother could have allowed Lucia to roam the streets, commit crimes, be arrested and imprisoned, perhaps hanged for them. Instead, she spent money she needed herself to keep Lucia in care. Please tell us where the mother went wrong.
@@rubynibs this take on Lucia's story evidently has touched something within you personally to ask that question. Her mother was a human being too, with faults and flaws like everyone else. Perhaps it is the assumptions made by people wherein mothers are expected to behave a certain way - regardless of their own experiences and personality traits - that is the real question
The mother was shut out of the relationship between James and Lucia, who had a private language. It would take an exceptional mother not to be jealous or sad about this. She was not close to Lucia because of this.
Really appreciate the fact that there is a complete written text included in all the videos. Although I am not deaf, as the years go on I find it increasingly difficult to catch every word the narrator says. Thank you Odie!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for bringing Lucia back to life. You, have for a brief moment, allowed her memory to live once again. Thank you so very much.
LulabyePixie Dust i so agree, so much love and honor to feel her soul and be a witness for her a century later. So much an honor to watch and know of how brilliant she is and the pain she endured with no one, I hope every one sees her now!
Wow so sad. Thank you for this story. Truly hearbreaking yes total waste of talent.
Frightening how people were abused and used in mental institutions....thank you again
I'm so into vintage (1800- 1900 )
Well done for keeping her memory alive and others like her.
I truly don’t understand why CZcams would have any reason to review and demonetize you. It is ridiculous! Great video in any case. ❤️
It breaks my heart to see such a talented, beautiful girl and mind wasted behind the walls of asylums. I thought it quite comical when you said that she would send telegrams to the dead. She would have fared quite a bit better in modern times, I agree. I think Lucia's mother was jealous of the close relationship between her husband and daughter, not to mention her daughter's talent. When Lucia's father died she no longer had his protection. Thank you Oddie, for another great story. Your narrative takes your stories to a whole new level. No other voice will do, imho. ~Pam~
Terrence McKenna mentions James Joyce in his lectures from time to time. The story of Lucia is more than profoundly tragic
Millions of poor souls.
Thanks for these amazing stories.
Thanks very much for your positive feedback and insights 🙏
Please, please do not listen to the negitive people. You are extraordinary and one-of-a-kind artist! Your voice is perfect for this you have a handsome voice and it fits with the history!!
keep it like it is! I enjoyed all your old stories, you couldn't be more perfect as far as I'm concerned! Your voice is perfect your stories are interesting and very well-thought-out! I just can't say enough good! Just don't listen to anyone that think, that you could be better, how do you improve on perfect? Because I think that you've got it all figured out! it looks perfect to me! And, they're historical and real and it's really a glimpse into a time that we never knew & I love it!
I love it all, keep up the great work and take care! You are fabulous
Thanks very much for your lovely feedback Leslie, that's a wonderful compliment 😊 so much appreciated!
I thought of Frances Farmer when watching this.... also a very tragic story. I love the style of this video...very beautiful.
Francis Farmer...Yeah
Totally right
A MOST disturbingly interesting fate and Biography
i read Her's too
you re v RIGHT
thought of Frances Farmer SHE WAS ONE OF THE MOST TTRAGIC CASES O INSTITUTIONALIED MYSOGYNY? too
i read her autobiography
made my mind reel and my stomach turn, too
@@ausendundeinenacht1 i agree there was misogyny at play,mad men were geniuses and genius woman were mad women..Frances Farmer's story was especially tragic and i hope she has peace now
@@susanavery5348 INDEED
INDEED
Personally
I think MEN are a fecking MENACE
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Susan ..Frances Farmer's story was especially tragic Understatement of the century
But yeah you re totally right there incidently, you read her autobiogrqphy?
Was very sad to watch. I wounder what she would have been in a different time. Beautiful Women
for sure
How very sad, Lucia Joyce's story!!! How heartless, her family left her behind in the asylum. No question she was very intelligent and had many talents. All of that could be channeled into a constructive life. Dance could have been a very effective therapy for her, after all, it was her passion. Sir, I share your genuine empathy for her. What a miserable life she had in all of those institutions. Psychiatric treatments in those times were so horrific. I do hope her soul rests in peace. It was great from your part to celebrate her life. She surely deserves this recognition. She was much more than the diagnosis she got. There was a person, a real person, so talented and sensitive behind the mental illness that affected her so deeply.
Thank you, sir, for sharing her story with all of us. Congratulations on all the videos you make. They are so immensely interesting and very often touching and full of sensibility like this one. Know that you are a gifted storyteller. Thank you!
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback Simone :)
@@ObsoleteOddity My pleasure! I am very grateful for your videos! Every time you tell a story, you bring back the memory of that person, something that is so important! Thanks a lot!!
Could she have had Asperger's Syndrome? I was also misdiagnosed as schizophrenic and briefly institutionalized; I learned that I have Asperger's just a few years ago. Fortunately, I never agreed with the initial misdiagnosis and weaned myself off the chemicals shortly after having been released from being confined. Had I not, I might have been a chemical zombie for the past 45 years. This is yet another state of lonely imprisonment.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Psychiatric drugs can be a great help to some people, but only if they're the correct ones.
I struggled with severe depression in my early 20s. I was given a much higher dose of antidepressants than was necessary, along with a mood stabilizer and an antianxiety medication. Those meds made me manic and caused me to act in ways that were extremely out of character for me. I had little impulse control and was mean and agitated all of the time. Once I was put on a lower dose of a single antidepressant my condition improved greatly.
My son is on the Spectrum. I understand that before the term Autism was recognized most children given a diagnosis were said to have Childhood Schizophrenia. Many low functioning kids were locked up and forgotten by their families. So very very sad. I know there are priests and missionaries even to this day who think performing an exorcism can cure them. Although I never considered my son needing to be fixed. If anything, I wish he was friendlier and more open to having friendships. But considering the fact the school said he was the smartest kid in his graduating class, well that's something that makes me proud. At first they questioned if they could teach him in normal school. I told them they better figure it out because he won't be the last kid on the Spectrum they have. Glad they took my advice.
No, she has many other symptoms not listed in this video that make it more obvious that there was a psychosis involved. She may have been bipolar with psychosis if schizophrenia isn't correct, but she was very, very ill.
I agree. I see a lot of Autistic characteristics in her.
@@KayleeCee I didn't have any money or insurance. I'm not surprised at what happened.
I feel my heart for her and can relate with her and her families view with her. Her father and she was the same as my father and I . My mother left me as the rest of my family did as soon as my father passed away finding weeks out later at that my father died. Landlord told me 4 weeks after fathers death. I am a dancer since childhood it keeps me alive. I have been in and out of psych hospitals since 15 years of age. As I say I’m in awe of this documentary. May She Rest In Peace. Schneider.
Sorry to hear about your past experiences Debbey,
thanks for sharing your story, and I hope life is better for you now.
ObsoleteOddity. Thank you so much!
I had a hard life myself so I can relate to you I'm sorry that you endured this God bless you and your family 🙏 😊☀️ 🌹
This sort of reminded me of Rosemary Kennedy. At least James Joyce wasn't the direct cause of his daughter's lifelong captivity in an institution. And, at 4:27, good Lord Oddie, you made 'em blink!
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Such wonderful videos you do!!! I absolutely love how you in addition to just showing pictures of the more public like pics, how you create live action within them to bring them to life!!! Just another step in awesomeness!!! Appreciate what you do! God Bless you, kind Sir!!!
Such a shame for Lucia, so much wrong with how things had to be for her! She may not have even had her break or would have been able to recover simply by keeping her active in dancing and what not! Also, I do not believe that the "secret" language was just ramblings of a schizophrenic mind because how would her father had been able to learn it with her, understand her and communicate with her and he be understood by her!!! If it had been a part of schizophrenia the answers and questions and everyday talk between them would've never meant the same things to that part of her mind and especially not from episode to episode or in and out of episode wouldn't have aligned either!!!
Thank you :)
Such a sad story. Lucia was just one of the many locked away in institutions back then. Seen as odd or uncontrollable, families just sent their children to these places because they were embarrassed by them or didn't want other people to know they existed. Another great, well done video by ObsoleteOddity. Thank you for doing these informative videos. Still enjoy hearing your voice!
This made me really upset. How Lucia was treated? Drugged up, likely terrified and lashing out, as that was the only thing she had control over. She was very misunderstood, a dying star, left to rot among filth and agony.
This makes me incredibly grateful that my mental health conditions aren't treated now as they were back then.
Such a joy when you post another! 'Where Joyce swims, Lucia drowns' Thank you for this perfect story!
Oh my gosh, I almost yelled for my Dad to come downstairs when those three portraits started blinking lol! Guess that's why I shouldn't watch this at night haha, it did make me laugh though after the shock wore off and I watched it again :) :) :)
I know right..it threw me off at first too..lol
God bless Lucia's soul! She is healthy and happy now! Thank you for sharing. We should be so thankful that mental illnesses are dealt with more humanely in this day and age! 🙂👍
That's a long time to live a rotten existence. Such a terrible tragedy...
Thank you for your beautiful telling.
What a tragic story. They didn't know effective ways to treat schizophrenia back then. She was so beautiful and talented! I love her father's books. He seemed to be her protector. Shame on her mother. Can't understand how a mother could do that to her child.
A great presentation and topic, Oddie!
I guess it's because she never really had a bond with her daughter. Lucia always spent time with her father and maybe she also felt that her mother was different, not like her father at all. My mother left the family as well when I was 8.I was a daddy child and we never really had a bond. It showed in little things, she never called me by my given name or whenever I was annoying her, she sat me in front of the Tv. So yeah, mothers can do that when they don't feel anything for their child.
Jan Warriner they still don't know how to treat schizophrenia
My uncle is a paranoid schizophrenic in an asylum for the attempted murder of my father with an ax. There is no real treatment for schizophrenia. My uncle terrorized our family for decades before his last attempted murder that finally got him locked up for good. He strangled my grandmother twice and shot at my grandfather,. The asylum is the best place for them.
@@toscadonna You're trash. Only 3% of schizophrenics show violence. They do NOT deserve to be locked away to die in an asylum. You're experience is not the rule, it's the exception.
@@Dubhain but the exceptions happen right, and her family could be one of those so why is she trash?
She looks so sad in every photograph. Such a sad story. You did a beautiful job with it, Oddie.
Yes my heart breaks when I see the pain and uncertainty in her eyes.
Thank you my friend.
Such a sad, very sad story. A lovely young woman abandoned by her mother, and locked away in a mental institution. I can only imagine what she went through, ice baths, electric shock therapy and God knows what else. As always a well told story Oddie. Thank you!!
as a mother of 4 children, (with 3 of them having autism) I could never just up and abandon them, yea it gets hectic but the joy, an love an the shine in their eyes is my blessing. enjoying your channel as always
James Joyce - Of course I know of him just never read much about his family , which isn't mentioned much . From the little I do know he didn't put much faith in English doctors . His wife Nora died in 1951 and that was the same year that Lucia was moved to St. Andrews where she stayed until her death . She also survived her brother . Now I understand that Irish bay picture . Another brilliant production on a subject I didn't know and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience from the heads up on Facebook. Please keep doing that . I know I complain but I love it .
LAM 101 I hadn’t known anything of Joyce’s family life either, so this was really intriguing to me...I can see more research in my future. As for complaining...at least you do it artfully and with humour. 🖤🇨🇦
belinda hawkins It was a time when outspoken, forward thinking, and creative women were considered a problem. They were often institutionalized when men with the same temperament were lauded as geniuses. It must have been very difficult receiving mixed messages from her two Parents...her Father encouraging and her Mother trying to force her into the “proper “ mold for a lady of her time. 🖤🇨🇦
Such a very sad story to listen to 💔 but you narrated it perfectly ❤ xxx
A very sad tale. My brother has schizophrenia it is a death sentence not an illness. Keep telling these stories. They are very important.
Lucia - so beautiful and elegant. It saddens me that such a beauty was left to languish like that. :(
I would have loved to see some of her dancing. By the way, I enjoy your commentary at the end of each video. It makes me feel a more personal connection to you as the creator. Thank you!!
Yea I agree with you, would have loved to see dancing
Such a loss. Thank you for this story. You just keep enlarging my world. Children know when they aren't wanted.
Thanks for watching :)
Mr. Beau, I am most pleasantly surprised to see a response from you!! That you would take the time to read my post.!! This is my first experience posting anything. I didn't even discover Google until a year ago. Yes, I walked the earth in the stone age. I meant every word I said. I have listened to your personal comments after the video, and I've been touched by your empathy for these sad tales. It's easy to forget these are people your talking about. With lives not unlike are own. I realize some of the stories are "sensations", but lest we forget, but for grace that could be ourselves or our loved ones. Again, I humbly thank you for your kindness. It truly does matter what we say and do to each other !!! Have an awesome day, Deborah
This would make a simple marvelous movie, wouldn't it? Consider the characters involved in both her father's and her life. Such possibilities! Thank you very much for making historical and cultural figures so multidimensional.
H. Wolfe i think you are right!
H. Wolfe , what a great idea. It could make a great movie if done right, with the right characters.
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the history of psychiatry fascinates me, so thank you for taking the time to create videos like this.
i'm a diagnosed schizophrenic with schizophrenic family members. my grandfather was highly intelligent, a genius even, but prone to psychotic breaks and delusional episodes. hearing stories of other bright individuals who deal/dealt with schizophrenia interests me greatly. i sometimes wonder if i'd be institutionalized for life if i was alive in the early 1900s. psychiatric medication is what allows me to function almost normally (i do require some assistance and i will be pursuing a service dog in the future). how far psychiatry has come is nothing short of miraculous.
Such a sad story. How can a Mother abandon her child! I can imagine the abuse this poor woman would have in those institutions absolutely Horrendous. She was born way ahead of her time. So sad. Thanks Oddie 🇦🇺🇨🇭😥
She was swimming in a different way, not drowning. Poor soul! Thanks for making these videos, i am totally hooked!! History and its mysteries! Thanks for all the hard work im sure you do in researching these "antiquated" mysteries. The photos in this documentary were such an amazing find!! Wonderfully done!
Sorry for the late reply Amy, I've been away on a road trip.Thank you very much for your kind feedback - much appreciated!
I’d never heard of this. You did a great job on this one, as usual. Thank you for your many hours of research and editing.
@ObsoleteOddity: I really enjoyed your video story of Lucia. Your small animations of some of the photographs are enjoyable. This woman's story is so sad but it's also a staunch reminder of how so many people including children were admitted to psychiatric hospitals because they weren't considered 'normal' only to be forgotten of by their loved ones. Thank you for sharing.
Everyday I love Waiting to hear another story.! You narrate it well. Can't wait until the next time. In a few hours perhaps. Some are very sad some not to sad. Thank you for THEM. Have a great day.
It was a shameful thing. Even before genetics it was understood madness was inheritable.
@@maryshaffer8474 but these werent madnesses....setting a tablecloth on fire, getting randomly angry after having spent time confined in a straitjacket. Wouldnt YOU be angry and want to set something on fire? She never hurt anyone- god knows I proudly would have.
@@elizabethbennet4791 I don't know about Lucia's particulars, but I do know that a high IQ, especially at genius levels, creates a fine line between insanity. But, just what IS insanity? It's society's definition of the norm. Lucia, like most geniuses, was an outlier and didn't fit the cultural or societal norms of the day. Dance was an expression of the constant churning of her tortured psyche. She definitely had some neurosis.
How, can you forget your children?,That's hard for me to understand.My daughter is bipolar, and difi cult , and in and out hospitals, sometimes jail, but once did I forget I had a daughter.
Lucias mother never bonded with her. Her mother was jealous of her from birth. That’s why Lucia was close to her father. This explains why Lucia couldn’t handle being rejected by the men because of suffering from being rejected by her mother. I’m thinking Lucias mother left Lucia in her room by herself most of the day with no/little interaction from infancy. Lucia was a great dancer and costume designer. Love and coddling from birth is the beginning. Bringing life to the photos is so exciting 💖
Tami Weber I don’t read it that way at all. I see it as a woman in a patriarchal society with no power in the marriage, tethered to an incestuous, paedophilic man. Abused girls act out sexually like Lucia
@@hopemccubbin8661 emotional incest is a thing, and it does look just like that. But that aside there have been persistent rumors that her brother may have molested her.
Some of our personal struggles with mental issues seem to be the worst, until you find out about people like LUCIA and realize our struggles could be worse... This was very painful to watch but it was done very well...thank you
How utterly sad, poor lady, she seemed like she had the world at her feet only to have it cruelly snatched away. As for her mother she didn't deserve to be called such. Thank you for another well made and factual video. Brilliant !!!!. x
While volunteering at the Children's Museum I scan the identification cards for the different items in collections and I listen to your narrated videos while doing so. Your voice is very calming and soothing and I get into the zone while scanning. Scanned a total of 477 cards in one day last week! Thank you for your videos, they mean a great deal to me and many others.
I believe Lucia was starved of love & appreciation of her creative genius artistically because of her gender.All she needed was morale support & recognition from her mother Nora whose focus it seems was more in favour of Lucia's brother Gorgio.A sad story which was beautifully told. Thank you.frm Sam
James Joyce and his beloved daughter. How interesting. More more more. Your sites and sounds are irresistible. And the more you work your talent truly shines. I love these stories and often look on google to cross reference and fact check. I am in love with it all. So happy I’ve subscribed.
Having worked in the mental health field for 32 years, this young lady appears to have symptoms more associated with Bipolar disorder. Today, the diagnosis of a mental illness in someone who is so young is not an acceptable practice. With today's care, she could have received the proper therapy and medication, and could have lived a much more productive life. More than likely became a famous dancer/performer. Thank you so much for posting this very interesting, but sad account of this young lady.
So happy to see and hear a new Obsolete Oddity.
Thanks!
Absolutely beautiful, and sad at the same time , you're the best. Thank you for taking us back in time. 🤴
My pleasure!
Glad you are back Obsolete Oddity! Late on the update but so happy you have returned!
I love the way you have moving parts in the still pictures!
Oddie only very recently started doing that and it adds a extra bit of magic to the hard work he puts into each new creation. The first time I saw the eyelids move was in a well-known old picture of The Black Dahlia in the pertaining film and I have to admit, it sort of freaked me out at first, but now I've grown used to it.Also Oddie, since you mentioned her in this film, I believe Isadora Duncan would make a fascinating person for you to focus your attention on for one of your films--she led a very strange and interesting life and died a very unusual death as well.
It is criminal what was done to 'mentally ill' people years ago (still going on today). Many were institutionalized in places, treated abusively and they weren't even mentally ill. It became a way to get rid of 'problems'. So very very wrong and sad. You should do the story about Winnie Sprockett who herself wrote about her experiences. Thanks for the new story Oddey!
As l look at the people that I see every day she walked this world in her own special way. This is a modified excerpt from a poem I have written in 1990 God bless. Thanks oddi.
Some of these are so incredibly sad. This makes me want to cry. I could never abandon my daughter. I love my daughter. Daughter's are awesome gifts.
Thank you for this story: I had never heard it before. This poor, poor girl. ❤️
I've missed your stories this was a good one. I cant do paterion. So I really miss them. Thanks for posting one I could see. Miss your stories!
Mr. Oddity, your compassionate, creative renditions of extraordinary lives serve as an art form and memorial in and of themselves! It seems to me that this poor struggling soul lacked stability on all too many levels---much less the 'ability' to hold together her core of well-being. Alas, welcome hell-come to the 'Human Condition'. Surviving and thriving is a heroic Sisyphean act in and of itself, for all too many people! Blessings and Sweet Peace....🍃💔🍃
Thank you very much for your kind words Dorothy and insights, much appreciated :)
@@ObsoleteOddity *Likewise sir, you are indeed a unique gem!* ☄🌟☄
What a terribly sad story. What a tragic, inhumane way to treat someone who had all of that light and was so worthy to be loved.
What a terrible fate. It's a shame they didn't let her write at the end.
Great video.
Ah, Oddie you certainly know how to tug at the heartstrings.
Another beautifully produced video, but not a story that I'd say I enjoyed.
I don't know what's more tragic - that it happened to someone so gifted, surrounded in her early years by some of the brightest & most talented people of the 20th century, or that it happened at all, to anyone.
To be institutionalised for a lifetime is horrendous, but it sounds like she was probably very aware of her predicament.
It's one of life's mysteries why some of the most gifted of people are cursed with the most debilitating of mental health problems.
There's a very long list of hugely talented, but desperately troubled people, both in the public eye, and among the general populous; so although there are burdens that only she had to endure, it feels like a depressingly familiar story.
Beau, you've raised the bar to such dizzying heights, with your unique take on storytelling, that it feels like it must be impossible to keep surpassing yourself, but again & again you manage to keep doing just that.
Another masterful lifting of the veil, allowing us to peek, however briefly, into the life of another tragic figure, who might otherwise be forgotten, were it not for your endeavors.
Gorgeous animations, interspersed with haunting photographs - it's a privilege to be allowed into your World - we are very lucky to have you.
Thanks so much Ian, glad it was to your liking! 😊 Appreciated.
Quite a few of my historical features are unsettling, maybe because such events could happen to each and every one us.
I want to thank you for your fantastic descriptive feedback - if ever there is any official ObsoleteOddity publication in the future, I should like Tamarra and your good self to write the publicity blurb! Have a great week my friend :)
Ian Macfarlane yeap agree
ObsoleteOddity Thank you for the kind words Beau.
Of course I'd be delighted to do anything for the channel - I'm a bit taken aback.
For once I don't know what to say😄.
I hope that you are having a great summer,
Thank you & take care.
Ian Macfarlane, well said!
What a beautifully written comment.
Such good historic and creative content, and such fine narration...
I think you've done very well dedicating this post to Lucia; a woman amidst some great names of their century. Alas the bitter cold of her mother's heart, that lay a frost at her roots.....
What a tragedy! Made me cry! That poor girl! As loved as she was by her Daddy, she was basically ignored her whole life by her mother. Being rejected by those men, being a bastard child born out of wedlock especially during the time period she was born in, when it was especially frowned upon, none of these things helped her mental state! It was horrible how her mother didn't even come see her after her Daddy died! Well done story by you Oddie!! Thank you! ❤️❤️
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Her mother would have been quit old by that time and might not have had the strength or financial resources to visit. Her daughter's care would have taken a lot of money at that time. What was left might have been barely enough to live on. You can not take the suposition of the father as truth. Also she may have been told it was better not to visit. People did not question doctors at that time and as she did not have an education, she would not think of it.
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Thank you so much for this. I love James Joyce and never knew about poor Lucia. So many people in history, and especially women, were deemed mentally ill because of their forward thinking genius. This deeply affects my heart because my great grandmother had a similar story. I am fortunate my family kept her photos and spoke of her often. You have a new subscriber, and very happily so. Thank you again. 💙
Thanks very much for your kind feedback, very much appreciated :)
This is a sad story that it shows the reality about many talented artist in the world. I never hear anything about her until Today and I thank you for sharing this. As a dancer been all my life, I can say that we're sensitive creatures, easy to collapse for love.
Thanks for your very kind feedback Carola - much appreciated! 🎩
How sad this poor woman what a waste of life and dreadfull parents, love your story's and so well narrated x
Gods! To put her in a straight jacket.... I couldn't endure that for five mins. To put such a freedom needing, expressive person with what sounds like a fantastical mind into those confined places... I can only imagine the frustration and rage that must have been in her! But she's not forgotten.
Thank you for another amazing, beautifully read/spoken piece. Xx
A sad story of a girl that could have been treated today and might have become one of the worlds brightest stars. Thank God we have a better mental system now. Thank you Oddy this was one of your best and your hard work and research is loved by my family and I'm sure many others.
I was a professional dancer for 30 yrs. I fell into a clinical depression had to be hostipilized. Luckily light yrs away from her treatment.. I was there for a month. Left too soon on my own accord.
However they had dance therapy. Stitting in a circle lifting out feet to music. My feet were glued to the floor. This from a woman that could not stop 💃 whenever she heard music. I felt. Had recovered after a month when i got my dancing spirit back. Dancing again at last.
Alas I could not see I was not completely mentally competent.
That was many yrs ago and now am whole. But to not 💃 when that was the first 30 yrs plus of your life plus your great sense of humor
Gone. I can't begin to describe the inner terror of - will I ever recover. I am living proof if you face your demons work hard on your inner self it will be help you. Don't be afraid. 💕 to all.
Thank you for sharing this jinger jar. Your sharing hit me even harder than the video. Very powerful, and best of all the hope you give in the end. I thank God for you. Be well. Be blessed. You deserve nothing but good things for all of the rest of your life!
This Lady has not been forgotten here!🙏😥❤️
I think she was misdiagnosed. Sounds more like bipolar disorder to me, but I’m not a psychologist. I also wonder if part of the reason her symptoms manifested more severely than her father’s had to do with her treatment. Her father was perceived as a genius; her a madwoman. Her experiences at these institutions probably exacerbated her symptoms.
In any case; If she had been born even 70 years later, she would have gotten the treatment she needed and could have easily wound up successful in life.
Cutezomgiedoll. I agree about the bipolar diagnosis. I myself am bipolar, but I am on a regime of medications which allowed me to live my life to the full list. I have had to do a few hospital stays, nothing more than 3 to 4 days. Even then I so dread doing it. And this poor sweet talented girl was shoved in there again and again. Times are definitely change in medication and therapy helped many people. Sadly though, the stigma Of mental health disorders lingers. There’s way too much judgment out there. And any rate, I liked your comment and figured I respond. I am a fellow Oddie lover ha ha!
true, i have bi polar and i get the treatment, my mother had it and made my life in the house absolutely hell, the beatings etc, she missed out on the cure and took it all out on me!
I'm bipolar and have borderline personality disorder, and this does not explain her behavior. However, each person is different. My guess is psychosis of some sort including but not limited to possible sexual abuse from the dad manifesting in split personality coupled with bipolar. (?)
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Lucia needed a better relationship with her mother, also. That would have given her much needed support and love, which we all need. ♥️🙏
Good to have another story telling adventure from you Oddi. Thank you. Sad story.
I don't know the name of man telling this story. However, I have listened to him on some other stories. Sir... I enjoy the humility, and guinine kindness you show to each person. You keep us reminded this is a human being we are talking about. Not just a story. Thank you.
Now you do - my name is Oddie Beau - I am the narrator as well as video creator
Thank you for the very kind feedback Deborah - much appreciated :)