6th Gen Camaro Speed Engineering Header and X Pipe Install
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- čas přidán 13. 02. 2021
- Installation of the Speed Engineering 1 7/8" long tube headers with their x pipe kit on my 2018 Camaro 1SS 1LE. I am retaining the factory NPP exhaust so I can still have Stealth mode when I want to be quiet.
Links:
Header Bolts
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Accel ignition wires:
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GM manifold gasket p/n: 12657093
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Band clamps:
Walker 33272
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Walker 33227 (2.75" Clamp, Qty 2 Needed)
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Halo Brace:
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Heat sleeve, similar to what I used. I cut in half and wrapped harness.
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Looks good!! Been awhile since I did a header install, but I've always had good luck with Stage 8 locking header bolts.
Engine bay looking good!
The LT2 intake makes it look 👌
You helped me to concrete my decision 😅
Nice job, looks like you and I have the same exact set up from the halo brace to the rotofab. I did go with spark plug boot covers on factory wires and had the headers ceramic coated and also added a set of high flow cats. Can't wait to see your next move.
I had to space my halo brace down another .250" to make little extra clearance for exhaust. No issues now. Did you have to do that?
Sounds like we got some badass cars! I love mine! Downshifting in town and breaking necks! Haha next steps is to enjoy the car this summer and perfect the tune!
Yes. I used fender washers. I'm also running no mufflers I made a couple 3 inch tails. Tune is my next mission. Keep up the good work bud. Love the lights
No muffler! Dang! That's loud! Hahaha
Thanks, people like u are why I made my last tuning video. Hopefully that helps to see stuff i already tied and works for our cars.
Oh yeah that was a huge help. I'm very nervous to try my own hand at turning. I haven't driven the car since the intake and manifold. After the headers the cars long term is saying very lean
Does this replace the catalytic converters?
Hey are these deleting the secondary cats only or all 4 of them? Great video btw! I’m worried about pulling the trigger I have an MBRP cat back and I attached it right after the secondary cats but I don’t know how these headers will fit with it. I guess what I’m asking is can I keep the secondary cats on to run these headers?
No I wouldn't keep the secondary cats. My suggestion would be to get some aftermarket high flow cats and incorporate them into the Speed Engineering kit. Might be easier to buy another brand header with cats already incorporated, but it will be pricey!
Another really useful video. Was wondering if you think I’d be okay going with another brands x pipe with the SE headers. Only reason is because SE x pipes are outta stock
That is funny u ask this as I was doing this last night helping a buddy. Can it be done yes, is it your best and most cost effective solution... NO. The easiest is going to be SE headers and midpipe together. Just installed corsa x pipe with SE headers with custom connection pipes and it was a pain and it fits just OK. The only downside to SE midpipe is you will probably have to use the Halo tunnel brace but that is also a quality piece!
@@EssMotorsports ah okay. Looks like I’ll get a different headers/x pipe combo. Any other suggestions?
@@EssMotorsports hey on another note. I am about to finish porting my LT2 manifold and bolting up the LT5 throttle body to it (no adapter). Planning on getting the headers and flex fuel kit soon and then doing a tune after that. Do you think I’m good to run LT2<5 without a tune for the time being (3-4 weeks)?
Not expert here but with that said, You should be fine for a while. The biggest spot where fueling changes with the 95mm tb is at part throttle from what I've seen. So take it easy and let the car learn that area. The car will limit itself at the top end as it will see the extra airflow from the lt2 intake. So probably won't feel much faster until tune.
I haven't had experience with other brands. Seems like Texas speed is a popular one tho.
What clamps exactly did you use bro ? I’m the process of installing mines Speed engine headers with x connection to NPP exhaust just like your set up the clamps they come with are junk. Thanks in advance she sounds like beast!
In the description/ links its the two Band clamps, Walker exhaust part numbers. I ordered them from rockauto or summit racing. But I did use a couple of the clamps they sent on the header collector joint as there was not enough room for the wider band clamp. Use a breaker bar to tighten.
And yes. It sounds awesome!
Did you just unplug the rear o2 sensors?
where did you get the v band clamps from if you dont mind me asking?
I purchased the band clamps from rockauto. They were the cheapest.
have a Q. What side did you put the pipe with the bun hole for the wideband? I put it on driver. dont look right...
Mine is on the driver side as well. Routing works out good with wideband then into the cabin through the sound tube hole.
Did you torque anything down? Or all hand tight? Great video
All torqued down properly. Manual calls for 17 ft/lbs but I think I went 15 ft/lbs to be safe for header or exhaust manifold flange. For the speed engineering/exhaust clamps, used a breaker bar and really tight! Haha
@@EssMotorsports Thank you for the response! I don't have a torque wrench so i for sure need to pick one up!
I liked the Beavis and Butthesd 🤣
What did you use to build those stands? Looks like 2×4s but just wanted a lil more info! I like the idea!! I have jack stands but I don't feel comfortable being under the car on the stands
Yeah I just used 2x4s cut at 14" long. Then just alternate the boards. I used 2.5" long screws. U have to pre drill every hole so it doesn't crack. 2 screws per corner criss crossing them so they won't hit screws below.
Probably cost like 60-70 bucks with boards and big box of screws. You need like 10 boards 10ft long because of waste at the ends.
They were 9" high which was as high as I could go with my jack once you take into account the wheel droop
@@EssMotorsports Awesome thanks bro!!!
You trust wood more than steel?
There's a little bit of wobble on the steering wheel after I reinstalled the steering shaft. Do you know what could be the issue?
I would double check I the bolt is tight or the shaft is not seated all the way in to its mating part
Problem fixed thank you! Bolts were a little loose
Nice! Those are the nice problems, the ones that don't cost anything to fix!
Excellent choice.
I'm getting the same set up but ordered the steel gaskets. Those shouldn't be a problem will they? As far as clearance?
How are the wires also any problems?
Clearances shouldn't be a problem but from what other youtubers were saying is to use the OEM gaskets. They were cheap on Rockauto. The Aceel wires seemed to work fine. Haven't ran the car much yet tho.
@@EssMotorsports there're more expensive so I figured they would be better lol You think I should call and change my order to the oem?
Both will probably work I just went with OEM because they were cheaper.
@@EssMotorsports ok cool thanks bro!! You are such a huge help!!! Love your car to!! Sounds amazing!!!!
Dude, what is that rattle sound that starts at 9:03? Right before you flip to track mode. I have the same sound and it's driving me bat sh*t crazy! My rattle goes away when the motor warms up after about 30 seconds. It's always loudest at cold start. Then the noise comes back when starting off in low rpm. Or lets say 2nd gear at a stop sign. (high load low RPM) Dealer can't "hear" the noise. For me, it sounded like top end stuff, on drivers side. but I'm reaching. It's driving me crazy for 2 years now. Have any insight?
I did have a rattle which was my exhaust hitting the Halo crossmember. I had to get some thick washers from McMaster Carr to space it down another .20" and that took care of it. In untuned cars the car goes into Cat warm up mode which dumps extra fuel and retards timing. That is why camaros sound loud on startup until warms up a little.
I would check exhaust hitting something tho as my rattle was only at low rpm once moving frequency was high enough u didn't hear it
So I’m in the process of installing them but having problems with the o2 sensors there is 3 o2 sensors slots in total with this kit and there is 4 in total that I have any suggestions?
The third rear O2 bung is for a wideband sensor. You delete the rear O2 sensors and only use the front two into the header collectors. Then tune will fix any cel.
How did those plug wires hold up? Those are the same ones I got
They seem to be working well so far. No issues as of yet
Did you get any codes after installing your lt2 intake? I just installed mine today its ported but im using the stock lt1 tb and i got a code p0443 and p0458 , it runs good tho ?
I didn't get any codes. I just did a quick search on those codes tho and it looks like its your evap purge valve. The thing that goes into your intake right next to your throttle body. Check the connector. If you disconnected it its probably not seated all the way back in.
Side note I haven't been able to run my car much at all. Current condition in Wisconsin is -13 and snow covered....
Thanks for the prompt response , i check the vavle unplugged it and plugged it back in goes away then i drive it and it comes back on , drive good though , so maybe cause its reading more air? But ill check again maybe its dirty lol thanks
Figured what is was lol it was a error on my part , i accidentally tugged on that wire , and a came a little loose didnt notice till i re checked it 👍🏽 runs good , hard time getting traction on 2nd going in to 3rd now
Thats awesome man! Glad you figured out what was wrong. So you definitely noticeable a difference huh? I'm jealous I haven't gotten to run mine yet. Maybe in a month...
Been 2 years since upload. Can you remember what you did with the dip stick? I took mine out, now having issues putting back in. Tia
Loosing header made getting dipstick in easier.
Did you completely remove your rear 02 sensors?
Yes rear sensors are gone, I just sealed up connectors with BIG heatshrink and tucked them up and zip tied.
Will these clamps also work for the C7 stingray when installing the SE headers?
If your talking about the Walker mega band clamps, then yeah they will work as long as it is 3" pipe used on the c7 kit. Which I would think it is
@@EssMotorsports awesome, thank you! How many clamps did you purchase? 4?
@@G33kLife747Flying I bought more than I needed I ended up using 8
Got mine in waiting to install. What did you do about rear 02 sensors. One side has 02 bung other doesn’t. Did you need a tune after? Haven’t started installing mine yet cuz spooked.
Delete rear O2s and will need a tune. 👍 the single bung is for a wideband.
@@EssMotorsports did ur check engine light ever come on? Ik it needs tune my Dyno tune is set up for Sept 1st (cam, headers, e85, CAI) but was the car still drivable after u put the headers in?
@@Bigburb1345 yes the CEL came on and it will after the second start with 2 heat cycles. If you only do just headers yeah its drivable, but if your doing cam as well then NO it needs a lot of changes to even start correctly and run right.
@@EssMotorsports nah the cam pushrods valve job lifters all that stuff is done and it has a base tune, headers weren’t in yet when we did cam job so that’s why they’re still in the box.
Did you replace the active fuel management actuators to the new pipes?
I have manual trans, which didn't come with the active fuel management actuators
What’s the part # for the adapters?
Where did you get them i had to get on a waiting list at speed engineering
Yeah I ordered months ago while they were on backorder from speed engineering's website.
It took like 2 months for them to come in.
@@EssMotorsports do you have a link for the heat shield?
And a link for the brace also I want to get everything all ready for spring!!!
O yeah forgot about the brace link!
The heat shield was stuff I've had for years so idk if it is excat but ill see what I can do
Did you need a retune or did your car even throw a CEL. I'm thinking about this exact setup on my '20 1LE.
It will need a tune. CEL won't probably come on immediately but after couple cold starts it will. U need the tune to turn off the secondary O2 sensors. Headers are a game changer for sound output tho! 🔥
@@EssMotorsports oh 100%, good to know that the speed engineering stuff is a good product because its so much more affordably priced than other companies.
@@TGO.Racing I'm happy with the quality. People will say the gauge or thickness is thinner and unless other brands are using 1/8 wall tubing is very minor difference.
How many clamps of each should i order ?thanks for the help.
U need 6 of the 3" clamps and 2 of the 2.75" clamps. Use the Speed Engineering provided clamps for the header collector location.
quick question did you get the 10 inch spark plug wires or 12 inch. i got the 10 inch but i dont know if they will fit
The link to the exact part number is in the description 👍
doesn't say how many inches 10 or 12@@EssMotorsports
@xxchrisgamerxx6850 not sure on length then. But if your not relocating coils they were the perfect length
Sounds great 👍 any difference with smell inside the car since the cats are gone? Egg, fuel ext....
There is slight fuel smell sometimes but it has improved and don't even notice now that I got my tune more dialed in. Gotta have good positive timing at idle which helps. U notice it at startup that's about it
@@EssMotorsports thanks for the info, going to pull the trigger early spring. Can't wait!!!
@@davelombardo1710 I was concerned about smell as well cause I didn't want it to stink like my Trans Am. But with stock cam it's a non issue in my opinion.
Great idea with those wood stands you made. You mind giving the measurements of the cut wood? Also how sturdy were they? Thank
@@davelombardo1710 I will have to measure later but they are super sturdy! Absolutely no worries if car is on them. I use them a lot now working on anything underneath cars.
Hey brother got another question lol What do you do with the afm valves? I want to delete them and not sure what to do.
I have a manual so I did not have them. But I am guessing these can be disabled via a tune.
Keep them plugged in and tucked away. Or like he said , have it tuned out
I’m planning on doing this, I saw that awe makes a simulator bracket for the valves, borla does have an x/mid pipe that keeps the afm working however it’s double the price, 1k instead of 500, the awe afm simulator is $35 which to me is the cost effective fix, then you just zip tie them out of the way.
@@ApexPilot Nice thanks!!
Man same wires to lol
Aye so I am buying the speed engineering headers & x pipe kit that comes with it all for $550. Is there anything else I need to put the headers on?
U need new gaskets. Just buy GM replacement ones from Rockauto. Don't use the ones that come with from Speed Engineering. Also the tunnel brace won't fit so I bought this Halo tunnel brace.
www.phastekperformance.com/HALO-Driveshaft-Tunnel-Brace-p/halo-cdtg6.htm
And I used .250" washer spacers under the brace for extra clearance to the exhaust.
I have the headers in but I can’t find the dip stick hole. Got no idea where to guide it at all need help asap
It's easier to loosen header flange and get dipstick in before tightening. I did the same thing
What kind of heat wrap did you get to wrap the harnesses?
Did you use the clamps that came with SE?
I got that heat sleeving many many years ago, but I found this on Amazon that looks like it would work really slick with the velco.
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I used the walker exhaust clamps for all connections except the header connection itself, that I had to use the SE clamp because it wouldn't accept a lap joint clamp. The link for the Walker clamps should be in the description as well.
People have said they've had issues putting in those accel spark plug wires. Did you have difficulties?
I have the angled ones, so it was no issues to install. The straight ones wouldn't work.
@@EssMotorsports makes sense, thank you soo much for the quick reply. I ordered those spark plugs but in white 😁 also ordered tube 1 7/8 SE headers
@@Ghost-zt8ge my suggestion would be to order the midpipe kit too. Even if you have to install it later if it's backordered. It integrates so well with the SE headers
@@EssMotorsports I actually did get the xpipe with it 😅 great minds think alike hu? Did you also go with the 1 7/8 or 2" headers?
1 7/8. If b your n/a your not giving up much if anything
Did u have to remove the starter on the pass side??
Nope
Once you got everything done when you did your 1st datalog was the car lean at all? I'm asking because I'm not able to get my car tuned yet but I wanted to drive it until I can get it tuned. I have basically the same mods lt 2 intake manifold long tube Headers x pipe cold air intake
Before u do any pulls it would be best to have a wideband gauge connected to make sure u don't have any issues with install. That being said I added the most fuel down low or at low rpm high load. U should be fine putting around town. The 95mm tb changed things the most
@@EssMotorsports cool thank you!!!!
Looking to add headers and the x pipe from speed engineering as well , how’s the dual mode exhaust ? Does it do it’s job keeping it in stealth and track ?
The dual mode works just the same as if it were stock. It does a good job quieting it down in tour mode so u can be sneaky! And in track it is LOUD! Check out my other video speed engineering update I have exhaust clips of both track and Stealth modes.
@@EssMotorsports gotcha brotha u got insta by any chance ?
@@jjseizdos8663 yep its just essmotorsports
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Do you have a guide to bulding those wood ramps
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Not a complete step by step but I go over what I used and height, etc.
How’d u remove the dip stick it’s a pain to get out rn
Loosen header flange... and yes it still sucks. Took a while
Where you located in Wisconsin? I live south. Love the channel
Green Bay area
Dang a little far for an Autumn drive in my 3rd gen
@@briank3323 I was at Camaro Rally at Elkhart Lake this year! That was a good time
@briank3323 Thank u for the support tho!
I've got a clean 84 Z28. Aluminum HO 5.3 w a Magnum F. Term X, speed engineering duals.. sounds amazing
Where can i get that trunk spoiler ?
That is actually just the standard GM 1le trunk spoiler. Not sure of the part number off hand but it should be readily available from GM dealers or parts sites.
Are you located in michigan? Would love to come hear the car out before I make the purchase
If you want more volume out of your exhaust you won't regret it! Just buy it! Only downside with Speed engineering is they don't offer a bolt on high flow cat if you want that.
@@EssMotorsports well I do have a corsa cat back but I really hate a raspy exhaust. My worry is going catless would introduce raspy and curious if a resonator is required.
Yeah hard to say since it's mostly each person's opinion... performance wise it's a good value.
@@EssMotorsports Very nice install. 👍 How much HP will you gain with long tube headers ?
Thanks man! U gain a solid 20ish hp it's a must bolt on.
How much did it cost
I'd check speed engineerings website for the latest pricing as it's probably changed since I did my install.
How many band clamps did you put?
8 of the 3" and 2 of the 2.75"
Is there's any room on that set up to run cats???
Yes, a 3" slip on cat will work. Just need to measure to pick one that's the right length.
What state are you in California
Nope!
What's the deal with the exhaust clamps on the exhaust system, the seem small
Nope they are the correct size. Smaller ones wouldn't fit.
@EssMotorsports I got the x pipe too and those bolts are too small
What bolts did you use to install the headers?
ARP 134-1103, link is in the description as well. Might be cheaper from summit instead of amazon though.
@@EssMotorsports cool thanks bro!!
So needed .250 spacers for the halo brace?
Yes, part # 98029A051 from McMaster Carr is what I used and they worked great!
Forgot to add I got new arp longer bolts with the extra spacers. 30mm I think we're the ticket!
Sweet great info got mine all installed any issues after a while i basically have same build so far i have smg flex fuel added though
Oh and sorry to keep asking through here but what was the part number for 90 degree elbow for catchcan on lt2 manifold
It is the ebay link for the 9.89 female 90 D 5/16" quick connect. But I just looked and the link I used is out of stock on that fitting. But I would look for a similar fitting online somewhere.
Can you post a link for the clamps you used?
I updated the video with rockauto links
@@EssMotorsports Awesome thanks bro!!! Just got mine!! Can't wait to get them on!!
U have to use the ones speed engineering provides for the collector. Not enough room for the walker clamps
@@EssMotorsports how good are those clamps you got are they leaking at all?
And how about the ones at the collector any leaks
Do I need to tune my car for these headers ?
Yes
Any check engine lights?
It needs a tune when u install headers.
Muffler and resonator delete next ?
Nope muffler is staying! It is honestly one of my favorite parts that I can make the car so quiet if I want to. And it is freaking loud in Track mode!
Do u need a tune? And what happenes if u don’t get one
Yes definitely need a tune. Could run lean. Will have check engine light
@@EssMotorsports does the tune change the sound? And how much is one typically around?
@@akashsuryavanshi6743 doesn't change sound. And cost varies a lot by area and tuner. Can't really say
@@EssMotorsports alright thanks man
Did you tune for the Headers?
I am working on that right now with HP Tuners! Surprisingly it has not lit the CEL but codes are pending. Im trying to figure out what codes I need to turn off specifically.
@@EssMotorsports well your going to be lean. Also get an AFR gauge. When you get the mixture tuned you will also turn off the down streams.
Yeah I have a AFR gauge installed just can't tune/drive right now. Actually going to go snowmobiling instead today! Right now I am adjusting easy stuff.
Any advice on what specific things to look at besides MAF and VVE?
I'm adjusting fans, catalytic warm up mode, speed limiter? I'm really curious where to set my PE pedal value and what rpm to bring in PE.
I’m the first one here, yay!
Would be nice if these install videos would show the actual informative parts.
Got questions? What's missing?
Did you reuse the oxygen sensors
Yes, no need to buy new ones unless they are bad.
With those headers do you needed to use all 4 sensors?
@raul resto u can use all 4 just need to add an extra weld bung.
@EssMotorsports you did that or just used the 2 front ones??
How long CAN you drive it until you get it Tuned?
U can drive around normal street driving but car will limit itself. Ie close the trottle with the extra airflow
@@EssMotorsports limit itself? Meaning? Me and my buddy gonna install the headers I wouldn’t have money to get a tune probably like a month out! I will just be driving the car to and from work
@Firestick Man yeah it will close throttle at high rpm. Torque based system, ecu only will let engine make so much torque. So it won't be any faster until u get it tuned
@@EssMotorsports so it will feel just like stock? I’m just gonna be driving it without a tune for like a month that’s it
Can I buy your kooks header that came on the 1le 👀
Headers don't come from GM. Normal manifolds only.
Question after the install my rear view camera and heated seats fuse keeps blowing. I have the afm still attached
That does not sound good. Sounds like a short. I would check that your wire harness on the passenger side is not touching the headers and burning through. That harness was close to begin with. I showed it in the video where i wrapped it in heat protective wrap.
@@EssMotorsports alright I have to check thank you
@@EssMotorsports it was that exact harness
@@ChevyTrevy did it burn through?
@@EssMotorsports yes I think one wire got exposed
How did you remove the O2 sensor harness? It’s not coming un done
U mean the connectors themselves? I think there is a Blue tab u slide back/remove then u can depress the clip and pull apart
@@EssMotorsports yeah for some reason I can’t pull them apart