As a bass player, I'm all about deep clean, and defined bass!!! To my ears, the REL is the clear winner!!! It's cleaner and deeper. I have an old REL Q108E which sounds incredible. When I replace it, I'm getting a bigger REL.
they like power, i'm only 30 watts below premium according to Cerwin Vega, but I bought new towers anyway. Since I got the subs the Cerwins weren't needed or working as hard as they should due to the built in crossover in my receiver. Here is the new setup... czcams.com/video/4g04KlLsqqQ/video.html
Please youre advice. I listen music like Mark Knopfler, Dire Straits, that kind of music and also dance and trance. No hard core or hard rock. Listen space is 6 x 5 meter. Denon avc-x6700h Klipsch RP-6000F ll, RP-504C ll and RP-4000F rear. Ported or sealed? And the rel 1003 mk2 or SVS sb1000 pro? Which one will heve deaper bass? Thank you man 👍
The frequency response of the cerwin vegas sl15 is lower than the REL.. but the way you’ve got them slammed against the wall shows you have issues with speaker placement.. they need to be a minimum of 12 inches off the wall 2ft even better.. you should CZcams some videos on speaker placement.
The Vega manual says 12 inches from the wall for the best stereo imaging and move closer for heavier bass. I have mine 4 to 6 inches. The Vega's go down to 29 hz the Rel goes to 24hz . Here's what the Manual actually says copy pasted; If the bass is too prominent, try moving the speakers away from the walls. If you need more bass, move the speakers closer to the rear walls. For good stereo imaging, keep the speakers about 1-1/2 feet (45 cm) away from the sidewalls and 1 foot (30 cm) out from the rear wall and about 6 feet (2 meters) from each other.
I’ve got an svs 3000 micro 800 watts 2300 peak and two rel T/5X 125watts rms and one of them with 125 watts can play louder than the svs bit the rel is a class AB .. I think the rel is the superior especially hooked up via speaker outputs on stereo.
@@XxtothmonsterxX oh yeah, it definitely goes lower. The HT 1003 is like 800 watts and I'll never use all that. It has very tight bass compared to the SVS, I was surprised. The Vegas are getting 125 watts each, I also just added three bowers wilkins M1 surround speakers and they're all at 125 watts. I just need to get my 6 overheads and one more sub to get my 11.2 system. But the 5.1 sounds amazing. That Neural X surround is mind blowing.
I’ve got four Elac unifi reference speakers that I’m replacing my CVs with .. I have cerwin vega cv1800 amp to go with them .. the amp is perfect for them at 400watts onto 8 ohms.. eventually I’ll get the Elac towers then I’ll have 7.2 … I’m waiting for Elac to come up with some matching atmos speakers
Rattling you say....i just found out after a year the rattling sound in my Paradgim Ps 1000 was a Mouse. Danger Mouse ended up destroying my whole sub eating the wires and components. It beyond economic repair.
Wow thats insane, my woofer is sealed so I hope they didn't build it with a mouse inside, lol/ I think theres just some cables vibrating against something.
Cool video man...Quick question. What are those Cerwin Vega speakers? I have a pair of SL-12s. I had a SB 1000 pro, then dual PB 1000 pro's and finally settled on dual PB 3000s for my system. I also have a Cerwin Vega center the C -45 and the bookshelf's for my rear speakers. All SL series.
Those sealed subwoofers are toys near Vegas. You need at least 15 inch Stroker to complement Vegas. But an 18 or 21 inch is better. Cerwin Vega is not for the same goal as those subs. I'm sure when you're listening the Cerwin Vega at level they were made for, those subs are not noticeable. Each Cerwin has triple box volume of REL or SVS.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Maybe the receiver underpowered them and it has low damping for those speakers. Cerwin has 93dB sensitivity it means 117dB with 250W of power. The two Vega can do more than 120dB with 5-600W of power. Those subwoofers can't play on this level, maybe somewhere around 110dB. With the 100W/channel maximum power of the Denon which has underpowered power supply section, the Vega can't do more than 110dB.
@@MrSPLbear The Denon is 125 watts per channel. I spoke to Cerwin Vega tech before buying the receiver and they recommend powering the speakers at 150 watts. When I turn them over 85 percent on a bassy song they would distort. They were slightly underpowered but I got the most out of them. The Subs responses are 20hz for the svs and 24hz for the rell, they just go lower. As for loudness, 125 watts per channel across 5.2 channels is more than enough. At 55% volume you can hear my house thumping from down the street, you can clearly hear the music or movie from across the street. Don't get me wrong the Vegas are nice I've always love them, but for high end sound they just don't cut it. I've removed them from the system and added 2 Bowers&Wilkins S600 towers, a Martin Logan Motion 30 Center channel, 2 Bowers M1's in the rear, the two subs and the sound is amazing. With the vegas and the M1's as my surround channels I'd give the system a score of 5.5, with the new speakers and the Subs I give it a 7.5 to an 8.5. It just sounds better and goes lower. With the new additions my stereo went from a 3000 dollar decent system to a 5000 dollar amazing system. The Cerwins are great for being loud with lots of bass but they have nowhere near the definition of the newer stuff.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Now I understand your decision. "but for high end sound they just don't cut it" absolutely agree, this is why I wrote that Vegas are not for the same goal as those subs. For your goal not the Vegas are the corect choice. At the first time I was think your front speakers are the way of your system. Bowers have much better and musical sound and those subs are fits with them.
@@MrSPLbear no speaker is going to be able to produce the lows that a subwoofer can do easily. A subwoofer has its own dedicated amplifier and it only has to produce the low frequencies. They don’t have to produce any mids or highs. Just looking a power ratings and sensitivity is very misleading. Each manufacturer rates their products differently and should only be used to give you an idea and not an expectation.
You should review the Polk audio psw505 subwoofer is RMS 300 watts to 460 watts peak I own both and don’t bother upgrading any time soon most I will do is replace the amp when they both go bad.
Polk makes good stuff. Super happy with the Rel I got. It's a 10 inch and actually beats the SVS 12", the svs will go lower but the Rel's bass is tighter. I may do some more subs after I finish with the party speakers I have.
Well, i ordered svs like in video this day... dont have opportunities to listen rel and svs and due to CZcams rel for me better. Hope in real life svs don't disappoint me.
true, but the subs do go lower. I just updated my home theater, stay tuned and be ready to be blown out of your chair. The Rell is definitely a better sounding sub, doesn't go as low but it's much cleaner. sorry it took so long to respond you were in my spam folder for some reason.
It would blow your mind how much better everything sounds when it's not all shoved up against a wall and between an entertainment center. I get it, you're married and you have china to display. Just sayin.
Actually my speakers are placed where recommended for the deepest bass. the vegas are about 5 or 6 inches off the wall with the sub right next to the left channel. It's where they are recommended for heavier bass, generally your surround channels are mounted on the walls but I have mine sitting on end tables. I adjust my fronts when watching movies bring them out away from the wall and move them to 4 inches away for music.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos for deepest bass you need a pair of subs. Never rely on the wall. I'm telling you, you are getting muddy music. Try an experiment, pull them 6 feet out, toe them in past your head, and sit about 3 feet away. You won't like how they sound after that when you put em back. If you're a real music fan and not just watching the Avengers, etc. Even pull the sub out, and get it at ear level, off the floor. Mind blowing.
@@jeffgrayson7639 you were listening on your phone weren't you? I just listened to it with head phones and I hear plenty of bass not to mention the vibration of the camera.
As a bass player, I'm all about deep clean, and defined bass!!! To my ears, the REL is the clear winner!!! It's cleaner and deeper. I have an old REL Q108E which sounds incredible. When I replace it, I'm getting a bigger REL.
yeah the Rel is cleaner.
The bass is just phenomenal music to my ears as a bass lover
agreed
That sub sounds phenomenal!
Very cool subwoofer. The dream sound system.
huge difference
Great comparison! Enjoyed the crashing sound effect! 🤣🤣🤣
lol
I panicked for awhile when that happened 😂😂
Appreciate this review 😄👌🏾
glad you found it helpful
The camera Evan enjoying the vibe of the bass
for sure, my home theater has had some major updates, the video should be released soon. stay tuned and be ready to be blown away.
17hz is with ported sub, I own it and rattling is just the when it begins, it really rocks up the house with the base.
this is 20 Hz on the low end +/-3db, it'll hit 17Hz easy. I love the sealed subs, no port noise and you get a much cleaner/tighter sound.
The biggest change is how much the camera is vibrating :D
both go deep...tough choice
Review the Bose F1 812 please
REL 💯
Yeah it's tight
Would love to see a review on your CV SL12s. There isint much out there on them. 🔈👍🏻
yeah I gotta do them and the surround
there is a video with the sl's.
Here's a couple.
czcams.com/video/N9XlprRAfow/video.html&t
czcams.com/video/oj1Ekn3eYqw/video.html
The Cerving Vegas need a better separate amp I think they would sound better still nice system 👍
they like power, i'm only 30 watts below premium according to Cerwin Vega, but I bought new towers anyway. Since I got the subs the Cerwins weren't needed or working as hard as they should due to the built in crossover in my receiver. Here is the new setup... czcams.com/video/4g04KlLsqqQ/video.html
What subwoofer did you end up keeping? I’m looking at both REL and SVS for my setup, haven’t decided what yet.
I kept both but I like the rell more. Its very clean.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Which has less destortion at high volume?
The Rel is tighter, but it's not as loud either. I like the rel much more.@@fixanddrive
any z900 vids coming? I watched your accessories video and bought some of them
maybe if it warms up, what did you end up getting?
According to the SVS website the SB1000 pro goes down to 20 hz.
yeah it goes looooowwww I'm running both now the rell and the svs. I like the Rell better.
Please youre advice. I listen music like Mark Knopfler, Dire Straits, that kind of music and also dance and trance. No hard core or hard rock.
Listen space is 6 x 5 meter.
Denon avc-x6700h
Klipsch RP-6000F ll, RP-504C ll and RP-4000F rear.
Ported or sealed?
And the rel 1003 mk2 or SVS sb1000 pro?
Which one will heve deaper bass?
Thank you man 👍
SVS PB models is what you want.
Ported sounds better for movie theatre sound 👌
The frequency response of the cerwin vegas sl15 is lower than the REL.. but the way you’ve got them slammed against the wall shows you have issues with speaker placement.. they need to be a minimum of 12 inches off the wall 2ft even better.. you should CZcams some videos on speaker placement.
The Vega manual says 12 inches from the wall for the best stereo imaging and move closer for heavier bass. I have mine 4 to 6 inches. The Vega's go down to 29 hz the Rel goes to 24hz .
Here's what the Manual actually says copy pasted;
If the bass is too prominent, try moving the speakers away from the walls. If you need more bass,
move the speakers closer to the rear walls. For good stereo imaging, keep the speakers about 1-1/2
feet (45 cm) away from the sidewalls and 1 foot (30 cm) out from the rear wall and about 6 feet (2
meters) from each other.
I have the sl15s and had to keep them 18 inches off the wall or too much bass ring .. it looks in your video like they’re right up against the wall.
I’ve got an svs 3000 micro 800 watts 2300 peak and two rel T/5X 125watts rms and one of them with 125 watts can play louder than the svs bit the rel is a class AB .. I think the rel is the superior especially hooked up via speaker outputs on stereo.
@@XxtothmonsterxX oh yeah, it definitely goes lower. The HT 1003 is like 800 watts and I'll never use all that. It has very tight bass compared to the SVS, I was surprised.
The Vegas are getting 125 watts each, I also just added three bowers wilkins M1 surround speakers and they're all at 125 watts. I just need to get my 6 overheads and one more sub to get my 11.2 system. But the 5.1 sounds amazing. That Neural X surround is mind blowing.
I’ve got four Elac unifi reference speakers that I’m replacing my CVs with .. I have cerwin vega cv1800 amp to go with them .. the amp is perfect for them at 400watts onto 8 ohms.. eventually I’ll get the Elac towers then I’ll have 7.2 … I’m waiting for Elac to come up with some matching atmos speakers
Thinking about 2 of these, or 1 SB 2000 Pro.
that'll shake the house, gotta tell you though it seems the rell performs better. Much tighter sound.
Rattling you say....i just found out after a year the rattling sound in my Paradgim Ps 1000 was a Mouse.
Danger Mouse ended up destroying my whole sub eating the wires and components. It beyond economic repair.
Wow thats insane, my woofer is sealed so I hope they didn't build it with a mouse inside, lol/ I think theres just some cables vibrating against something.
Have u tried the rel on movies also then?
oh yeah I love it
Cool video man...Quick question. What are those Cerwin Vega speakers? I have a pair of SL-12s. I had a SB 1000 pro, then dual PB 1000 pro's and finally settled on dual PB 3000s for my system. I also have a Cerwin Vega center the C -45 and the bookshelf's for my rear speakers. All SL series.
they're sl-12s
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Oh cool. Sorry couldn't tell from the video some how they looked bigger then the ones I got.
Those sealed subwoofers are toys near Vegas. You need at least 15 inch Stroker to complement Vegas. But an 18 or 21 inch is better. Cerwin Vega is not for the same goal as those subs. I'm sure when you're listening the Cerwin Vega at level they were made for, those subs are not noticeable. Each Cerwin has triple box volume of REL or SVS.
no the subs shake the house way more than the vegas. I'm selling the vegas.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Maybe the receiver underpowered them and it has low damping for those speakers. Cerwin has 93dB sensitivity it means 117dB with 250W of power. The two Vega can do more than 120dB with 5-600W of power. Those subwoofers can't play on this level, maybe somewhere around 110dB.
With the 100W/channel maximum power of the Denon which has underpowered power supply section, the Vega can't do more than 110dB.
@@MrSPLbear The Denon is 125 watts per channel. I spoke to Cerwin Vega tech before buying the receiver and they recommend powering the speakers at 150 watts. When I turn them over 85 percent on a bassy song they would distort. They were slightly underpowered but I got the most out of them.
The Subs responses are 20hz for the svs and 24hz for the rell, they just go lower. As for loudness, 125 watts per channel across 5.2 channels is more than enough. At 55% volume you can hear my house thumping from down the street, you can clearly hear the music or movie from across the street.
Don't get me wrong the Vegas are nice I've always love them, but for high end sound they just don't cut it.
I've removed them from the system and added 2 Bowers&Wilkins S600 towers, a Martin Logan Motion 30 Center channel, 2 Bowers M1's in the rear, the two subs and the sound is amazing. With the vegas and the M1's as my surround channels I'd give the system a score of 5.5, with the new speakers and the Subs I give it a 7.5 to an 8.5. It just sounds better and goes lower. With the new additions my stereo went from a 3000 dollar decent system to a 5000 dollar amazing system. The Cerwins are great for being loud with lots of bass but they have nowhere near the definition of the newer stuff.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Now I understand your decision.
"but for high end sound they just don't cut it" absolutely agree, this is why I wrote that Vegas are not for the same goal as those subs. For your goal not the Vegas are the corect choice. At the first time I was think your front speakers are the way of your system.
Bowers have much better and musical sound and those subs are fits with them.
@@MrSPLbear no speaker is going to be able to produce the lows that a subwoofer can do easily. A subwoofer has its own dedicated amplifier and it only has to produce the low frequencies. They don’t have to produce any mids or highs. Just looking a power ratings and sensitivity is very misleading. Each manufacturer rates their products differently and should only be used to give you an idea and not an expectation.
Do you think the REL is quicker in response.🤘
It has a tighter sound so probably
Doesn't the REL have a 10 in passive radiator on the bottom???
not this model
hi sir rob. im planning to buy 2 partybox 710. can i use the pb 1000 as the partyboxes' extra woofer?
no, as far as I know they cannot be linked.
even if i connect them using rca cables?
@@bryancharlesguya2575 you may be able to rig something but there may be a delay that won't line up properly. Honestly the 710 has plenty of bass.
Great video buddy, what is the size of your room ?
I think it's 15 x18ft
How does this subwoofer compared with JBL 1000 sub?
I haven't tried the jbl, but you get what you pay for generally. The more expensive the better, but you want to match you're system specs. too.
The JBL 1000 is a very cheap low quality car subwoofer, it doesn't compare even close to these 2.
@@xaerothehero Oh it's a car sub, thats a different thing.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos 😆
Какая площадь помещения рассчитана под этот REL HT/1003 !?
моя комната 18 футов х 16 футов или около 6 х 5 метров
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Сколько кв метров!?
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Спасибо!!!
@@Halkerik 30
So you like the rel more than the svs?
yeah it definitely has a cleaner sound.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos and I'm guessing the svs digs a bit lower compared to the rel?
@@BrokeGuyBBQ yeah it goes a couple hertz lower.
I check around and this model is 599 not 499$ wear can you find it for 499?
you're right that was my mistake, or I got it on sale.
The power can be done with you're phone on the SVS.
don't know if this model does, but either way once I get it set it stays the same
All can be done with the phone 325 RMS and 820+peak power.
Which is better for music ?
I like the rel better
@@Robsreviewsanddemos from your clip i see that the rel is a bit boomy than the svs, svs seems more flat, is that so ?
You should review the Polk audio psw505 subwoofer is RMS 300 watts to 460 watts peak I own both and don’t bother upgrading any time soon most I will do is replace the amp when they both go bad.
Polk makes good stuff. Super happy with the Rel I got. It's a 10 inch and actually beats the SVS 12", the svs will go lower but the Rel's bass is tighter. I may do some more subs after I finish with the party speakers I have.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos yeah the REL subwoofer actually sounded so much better then the svs I was honestly shocked
@@Lowkey_nxthxn Me too, my whole house shakes during movies, not sure if my girl is too thrilled about it. lmao
@@Robsreviewsanddemos I have two 12s and they both have huge amps in the back so hopefully my future girl agrees with that 😂😂😂
Well, i ordered svs like in video this day... dont have opportunities to listen rel and svs and due to CZcams rel for me better. Hope in real life svs don't disappoint me.
Which one is better?
I like the rel it has a tighter sound
40m2 plytek- SvsRel ???
huh?
He is saying he has 40m2 of tails on the floor, I guess he wonders which one would be better.
@@mateusz1227 I like the rel better it has a much tighter sound.
Jbl destroyer ,.I wish jbl could have this kind power
I ended up liking the rel more it has a tighter sound.
Frankly your towers do bass so well you hardly need a sub, but SVS sounded more powerful and tight.
true, but the subs do go lower. I just updated my home theater, stay tuned and be ready to be blown out of your chair. The Rell is definitely a better sounding sub, doesn't go as low but it's much cleaner. sorry it took so long to respond you were in my spam folder for some reason.
To me any seal subwoofer sound boxy compare to port subwoofer. Just my personal listening opinion that I still stay with port sub
it's tighter in the box, takes more power to make it as loud as ported woofer but the bass is cleaner. Plus you never get port noise.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos
ok
port is the way to go. boxy sound is not good.
I liked the rel better then.
I like the rel better too it has a tighter sound\
Is it just me or the REL is really blurring out what’s on your tv screen.
it's the camera vibrating, I don't always cushion the tripod so you can see how strong the bass is.
It would blow your mind how much better everything sounds when it's not all shoved up against a wall and between an entertainment center. I get it, you're married and you have china to display. Just sayin.
Actually my speakers are placed where recommended for the deepest bass. the vegas are about 5 or 6 inches off the wall with the sub right next to the left channel. It's where they are recommended for heavier bass, generally your surround channels are mounted on the walls but I have mine sitting on end tables. I adjust my fronts when watching movies bring them out away from the wall and move them to 4 inches away for music.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos for deepest bass you need a pair of subs. Never rely on the wall. I'm telling you, you are getting muddy music. Try an experiment, pull them 6 feet out, toe them in past your head, and sit about 3 feet away. You won't like how they sound after that when you put em back. If you're a real music fan and not just watching the Avengers, etc. Even pull the sub out, and get it at ear level, off the floor. Mind blowing.
Oh dear faulty speaker SVS…
You picked a horrible sound to demo.
May I ask how you're listening? I think thats the first time I've had a complaint on my bass demos. thanks for watching though
@@Robsreviewsanddemos the intro to the song had no bass at all and after that the only "bass" that you heard was the kick drum .
@@Robsreviewsanddemos Rob I run dual SVS sb 1000's and the sound is awesome for their size. Good luck in your future demo's
@@jeffgrayson7639 you were listening on your phone weren't you? I just listened to it with head phones and I hear plenty of bass not to mention the vibration of the camera.
@@Robsreviewsanddemos yes I was Rob.