Pakistan- A Post-Election Reckoning | Sushant Sareen | Ajay Bisaria | Husain Haqqani |Elections 2024
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- ORF The Neighbourhood Scope | Elections 2024 | More than two months after the conclusion of the much-anticipated general elections in Pakistan, the status quo in the country is still fragile. Even as the independents backed by the PTI won the most number of seats- defying the establishment’s attempts to push Imran Khan’s party towards obscurity- it fell short of a majority. The PML-N and PPP along with other smaller parties formed a coalition government, with Shehbaz Sharif appointed as the Prime Minister on March 4. Since the return of his brother and PML-N supremo, Nawaz Sharif, the dalliance between the establishment as well as the party is all but evident. In the backdrop of these political machinations, the country’s economy continues to be in the doldrums, with inflation reaching close to 30% and the foreign exchange reserves fast depleting. The deteriorating relationship with the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan and the consequent increase in attacks inside the country by the TTP have also severely affected the country’s security situation.
How will Pakistan fare in the next few months with the new coalition government in power and its purported aim of stabilising the country? How sustainable will this second attempt at forming a hybrid government in Pakistan be and how will the military respond to any impending differences? Will Imran Khan be successful in leveraging his party to present a strong opposition against the incumbent government? What effect will this instability have on the country’s quest to secure another loan from the IMF to stabilise its economy?
This event was part of the series “The Neighbourhood Scope,” a monthly feature of the Strategic Studies Programme that intends to rekindle key conversations, questions, and debates concerning India’s neighbourhood.
Speakers:
Husain Haqqani, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute; Former Ambassador of Pakistan to the United States
Sushant Sareen, Senior Fellow, Observer Research Foundation, India
Marvi Sirmed, Journalist and Human Rights Advocate, Pakistan
Indrani Bagchi, CEO, Ananta Aspen Centre, India
Moderator: Ajay Bisaria, Former High Commissioner to Pakistan, India
#pakistanreaction #election2024 #sushantsareen
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I see Sushant Sareen, I hit like 👍 Simple!
Whenever I see Sushant Sareen on the thumbnail, I watch the video with keen interest
With due respect !
India cannot become like Paxtan even after establishing Hindutva !
There is no zimmi culture in Hindus!, even before we had constitution we were seculars !
What the left-liberal and islamic elite have peddled with just ulterior motive there is nothing as such!
Infact we see the opposite with sar tan se juda type acts across India!
The majority of indians see this as reclaiming their rights on this land, with partition we had given up lands for i$lamic followers but after that they want to establish their hegemony on india which is not acceptable to large populace !
All the parties had deformed the democracy with vote bank politics and then we see this reaction from the majority ! the pollical class think they have the 20% of the vote with another 15% they can rule forever! and in the process ignoring the largest populace!
We need to grow for 25 years with atleast 7.5% growth so that we could challenge hegemony of CCP on economic n military front.. pakistan will be handeled by unknown men
Exactly!
Don't compare a cult with a civilization!!!
The fact that the rise of Hindutva has been going hand in hand with the rise of India is proof enough that India will not go the pakistani way as with the rise of islamism. Also the Army in India still has no role in politics whatsoever.This is exactly what triggers the Indian and pakistani so called liberals since they can't create any equivalence here to benefit their leftist politics mainly based on pro second largest majority and anti majority in the context of Indian politics.
@@Olive_Chapwe r not homogeneous society unlike China my friend 😂😂
Most Indians would forget about Pakistan if punjabis don’t keep them relevant in media discussions
Indians Punjabis are a foolish lot
Udhar se bol dete hain "oh sadda ta same culture hai " , or ye flat ho jate hain
Sushant - always clinical, objective and aptly acerbic 😂
Its people like indrani india was soft pathetic country looking upto Pakistan for peace and kamshmir policies !!!
I am glad we have more realistic and practical folks like Sushant who are influecing Indias policies !!!
Sushant may seems blunt but he is damn right
He is "damn" right about the more obvious things. The guy has zero ability of anticipation.
@@arunsar7893 as if you have that 🤣😂
@@PHALANGE1931 I am not involved in policy making, dimwit.
No iphone were harmed in this discussion
Modi 1st term:
1 dollar- 150 Pakistani rupees
2nd term:
1 dollar - 300 Pakistani rupees
3rd term:
1 dollar - 600 Pakistani rupees
What is that to do with Pakistan. Can we talk about the current situation of Manipur 😂😂
@@dinesh6489it's far better than you see on CZcams
No no Ji no@@dinesh6489⁹
@@dinesh6489if you were impartial and probably better read...you would have added Bengal and Punjab to your question!!! And I couldn't see any humour in either your question or the statement before...so why the smileys??
"Dinesh" here is from our peaceful neighborhood@@ahaanmisra4892
Sushant Sareen - He just doesn't bother about Pakistan anymore, gives them right in their face
When the Fundamentals of Hinduism and Islam are different then how can Hindu India will be like Pakistan?
JaiGoondutva..........RIP Secularism..........my beloved IN becoming backwardbanana thuski republic of PK
Pak will never reform. Why? Pak military needs to keep Kashmir story alive to keep making money for their Generals. So they would keep common people uneducated and radicalized. No hope for them.
It's one of the best discussion that has initiated a insightful fodder in understanding the post Pakistan election rhetoric for neighbouring countries like India .
Please add chapters
1:31:15 that was foolishness of us.. we were always giver but got nothing in back.. not that we need your money it was just zakaat.. atleast they could have nudged military to not do recurring attacks in India whether J&K or other parts.. but in the end we came like fools
More like they showed their nature, terrorism, hypocrisy, back stabbing etc are just their nature that they can't escape from.
This is a lesson we should remember no matter how much propaganda these "Aman ki asha" gang do...
why even discuss Pakistan.
To show the world their real face in angrezi
@@eyeope everyone knows Pakistan is a failed state, and a useful tool for the Americans and Chinese against India and Iran.
One needs to keep friends close and the enemies ie Pak even closer, so there are no surprises if anything happens as we are prepared.
Coz Pakistan is "India' s internal affairs" 😂😂
Even though the mad dog in your neighborhood is irrelevant to you, it can still trouble you for 14 injections.
Love comments by Mr. Husain Haqqani.
Wonderful analysis by all the panelist’s I don’t think that Pakistan will leave its anti India stance
Haqqani is very dishonest person.The events on May 9 were clearly staged by Army. How can civilians marched km after km towards Cantt area and military instalments and nobody stopped them. At the beginning crowds were not that big.
Overall Indian analysts were much more logical and to the point.
Haqqani is a cia asset
Pak Economy Policy? Ajay ambassador ask, who leaves in pakistaan?
1. Is Amhadia become billionaire in Pak ?
2. Is Yahudi become billionaire in Pak ?
3. Is Hindu become billionaire in Pak?
In India 1991 every religion welcome..
Hahaha now kicking in dehli Muslims in Mani pur Christians. And frequently you are demolishing masjid and killing sikhr why all indians forget all these stats are you inccoennt or clown enough please tell me I am waiting the way you write Pakistan's minorities if you are honnest
Why worry! Even USA govt. declared as "fair clean" election 😂😂Ha Ha....
Bhai ye bhi foreign policy hai ,
Otherwise US ko kya need hai pure world pe comment karne ki.
English me ye discussion karke ek to aap discussion start karte ho , Pakistani narrative ko Kashmir se dur le jate ho , aur third : unke pichwade me aag lagate ho
One of the daayans of Indian journalism Siddharth Varadarajan was recently visiting the country known for its Lule of Raw, Ruman Heights and one known as Baap of Democracy. pakistan!
I think that this was easily was one of the most well informed and impartial panel on this subject!! Good show!!
Establishment wants to have leverage against all political parties,reason for keeping PTI alive.
Words of wisdom by Hussain Haquani
Bro the people behind yawning very hard 🤣
51:40 Guy in second last row literally sleeping 😴 😂
Bad in enough Pak media is obsessed to report only India related news on a daily basis, now ORF is giving airtime to a rogue terrorist country! No one in India other than the bleeding hearts in media, bureaucracy and anti India forces, is interested to learn anything on that terrorist country, even though it’s our neighbor! Spare the Indian public of such discourse, given the shortage of time in everyone’s calendar!
Thank you!
it seems Mr. Husain Haqqani nailed it here,,
Allah, Army, America = Pakistan
Dear Indian, Next time when you invite someone from Pakistan for a panel discusssion, invite somene who is not biased agaisnt a particular party, Haqqani is Pro-PPP, while Marvi Sirmed is a so called Human Rights Advocate who has kept her mouth shut against recent purge and human rights violation against PTI members .... these two panelist have given you their point of view what it suits them and the parties they are affiliated with....Under Normal Circumstances nobody pays any heed to what these two persons are saying due to their political affiliation...
Hussain Haqqani is absolutely right that there will be no fundamental change post 4th June, if we go back, in last elections 2019, Imran Khan who was then PM of Pakistan had many a times said that relations between India and Pakistan will improve after general elections in India are over, but what happened, everyone knows that the relations between India and Pakistan nosedived. So I think Pakistan has to look within and change its narrative altogether
Sushant is the only saving grace in this otherwise useless discussion.
It is extremely unfortunate to know that i share an alma mater with Sushant Sareen i.e. Delhi School of Economics.
Ajay bisaria is a known pakistani hand in the diplomatic and foreign policy circles. He knows the intricacies of Pakistan's polity,society, economy and strategic thinking. He has gained all of it during his stint as an ambassador of india to Islamabad. His views and opinions on the developments in the western neighbour therefore gets the attention and limelight.
Imran khan came to Power due to rigging at first place , he shouldn't be complaining about rigging...
Sushant Sareen and Hussain Haqqani are brilliant and truthfully straight forward, the lady is far away from reason.
Marvi Sarmad, no integrity, not trusted
Young bureaucrats should know how Pakistan functions and who holds power in what sector.
How law and order is looked after and how to make sure common ppl get justice.
How minorities should be uplifted with schemes and how its society should be deradicalised and remove hatred in school books, to reform Pakistan to create a harmonised equal society
58:00
Its not in the personality of democracy+wealth creation
All role models=ghori ghazni babar -whom they name their missiles with
Most useless discussion by organizers. Hussen was at its best and true.
Sushant is too good an observer on Pak.
Atleast Pakistan Media has balls to talk about the real issues rather than praising the supremacy in India 🤦🤦
Most of them only do when they go and live in usa..but living in pak and doing so is not possible
Oh bhai India it's a civilization to Pakistan hame kya bta rha hai bhad me jaaye yr pakistan hame apna development dekhna hai ye unka sochna hai 😊
Chamche ji , Indian media me bhi aap jaise bht Hain
Waise Aaj aapne pappu k chati ya nahi , jao chaat lo usne abhi Tak dhoya nahi hai
Nice one
I have not watched the whole .... my outside sense is Iran is looking tactical nukes from Pakistan (no wonder iran's leadership visited pakistan)... because it will act as a deterrent for Israel .. however if Pakistan does supply (China + North K will not have a problem) to Iran, it will invite the wrath of US, Saudi ... its a multivariable equation .. this may give some negotiating power to Pakistan with US ...
Looking through the #Simplifier::
-Army will never give up power, come what may..
-Army will not allow any civilian power including judicia to take root..
-Army acceptable to all partner countries, civilian facade is needed to humor America..
-P.stan may break but will never join hands for rule of law
-So, P.stan will remain a ATM for power-cartel till it dries up and break into pieces..
#EasyComeEasyGo!
It's a shame that DU students lacking the desired depth on the issue share the same table with individuals who have dedicated their lives to the subject! The quality of questions is shit, no better than a lunch break banter of a middle school..... To have the galls to utter opinions in their questions shows how entitled and shallow on the critical subject they are..... why not include deserving people in such a closed group..... look beyond DU..... there is a plethora of deep thinkers in the country!
You should have invited a military spokesperson instead of inviting anti Imran Khan Marvi and Haqqani
7:28 but many PTI Tier 1 Leaders couldn’t contest elections
A think tank inviting marvi and haqqani to get unbiased insight? What a joke!
Pakistan election can call election as as was barred and important figure) figures?
What exactly does the much discussed trade between India and Pakistan comprise of beyond the kanda, batata, and such like items?
Exactly, these beggars don’t have money to buy from us and all what they can offer us is veggies. 🤦♂️
Exactly, these beggars don’t have money to buy from us and all what they can offer us is veggies. 🤦♂️
There is nothing useful or of value that India craves to get from Pakistan. Literally nothing at all needed. But India can export tons of things to Pakistan and make good money. Their people are rich and they can be milked to strengthen Indian economy 😄
@@corpsertag5967 Pakistanis are rich???? My foot 😂😂😂
@@corpsertag5967 majak kar rha hai kya bhai
It was a day light robbery with guns out. But the Western world left Pakistanis striving for democratic values were left alone infront of brutal military junta
👏
26:00 Sushant quib about Babus really caught Bisaria's ear. 🤣🤣
Watched only for sushant sareen
Such a stupid question coming from an Indian at 1:10:25. An indian is asking a Pakistani whether India will become the next Pakistan. What did you expect her to say ?? A little bit deep dive would have helped clarify that. Looking at few incidents and judging the entire country does not sound very scholarly.
Aiso ko 1 month k vacation k liye pakistan bhej Dena chahiye
Sareen has the appropriate reaction to the lady's boring speech
I am addressing my comment to Haqqani Sb and Marvi and very reluctantly to the moderator of this discussion…I went on listening intently and patiently through the better part of the discussion but regrettably this seems like a paid Pakistan bashing session where most of the Indian panelists are gloating as though India has just emerged as the largest economy of the world l, its abject poverty alleviated and it is now in a position to dictate terms to the regional players. They in a typical industry an style elide over their economies and political woes of the past and present, where they’ve always done things different and better, this character Sushant dropped even pretenses of neutrality by mentioning that economic disrepair in Pakistan is a matter of inner satisfaction for him because is an enemy country…and yet Marvi refers to him my friend Sushant, this outing could have been extremely informative and unbiased if the intention was to analyse the political and economic stacking in Pakistan objectively… these characters will never conduct an honest discussion without their latent animus and therefore Haqqani Sb and Marvi should have insisted on keeping the template objective otherwise should not have participated in it…this was at best a lowercase Modi appeasing exercise that you see on Republicans TV or First Post like propaganda platforms. Indians with the exception of Karan Thapar and a few others can’t really help being sneaky and vile
Hussain Haqani, the traitor
Who are those sitting behind ? They seem bored af and some were dozing off. It’s like a classroom lol
30:21 lol this guy haven’t been in Pakistan since 10 years
Band of Jokers making jokes on Pakistan Election Jokes.Enhancing with Fantastic Tea 🍵.
Sushant Paajee Supremacy
Interesting discussion ❤
Reaching out to Pakistan , is a REAL DANGER . We can very well do without reaching out to a muddled Military - Jihadi- Civilian regime, which is united in determinedly regarding Hindus & India as their sworn enemies.
Democratic freedom is India's soft underbelly and all of us know that 5th Generation warfare can do humungous harm, far greater and at much lower cost than any conventional war. 1:01:45
Both pannelists from Pakistan unfortunately to be out of sink with the pulse of vast majority of people of Pakistan.
Sir Hume farq nahi padta
, hume to aap logo ka fake narrative bust karna hai jo aap logo me kashmir ko leke failaya world me
Pichwade me aag lagani hai
You guys don't matter to us at all
Ye to bas foreign policy ka hissa hai 😂😂
Very good workshop! Indians do care about Pakistan! Thanx!
AKHAND SANATAN VHAARAT VERSHA 🎉🎉🎉
WITHOUT
FOLLOWERS OF ARABIC 💀
who is Pakistani among them?
5:43 that uncle leaving the hall is Pakistani I think.
Begani shadi me abdulla Diwana .....
You mean to say india, but do not want to show your anxious moods related to indias nationalist voters and elections with single aim. I hope you are aware of it👍👍👍
Haqqani thinks that I am commenting on this because the Army created me 😅
What a nonsense
Looking at his age I don't think he has a sellable mother.
7:34
Also, to all the indian journalists. Choro yar Pakistan ko u guys are doing well, do these seminars with US cz thats ur league now. Btw dont do so with Canada cz there u will go through what I just went through, Agony, I mean. 😂
What is sushant sareen doing here?
Bisaria and others sharing stage with the foul mouthed t 2rs godi media IT cell troll.. shame!
Chamche shut up
This orf is his foundation
Pakistan is well developed d3mocratically and economically bcoz of lslam.
Hahha where paki 😂😂😂
Nothing new in this discussion.
My humble suggestion to the listeners,please watch in 1.5X when indrani bagchi speaks,or else you may have high bp by yhe end of this video.
this whole discussion was useless.
Only Hussain had some original thoughts. Everyone else was struggling to put sentences together. Speak in Hindi/urdu if that is more convenient.
Sare milke hame pagal bnaraha
What is the point to discuss pakkstan...we are sovereign country and let us solve our own issues..
shame on you all of you
Sushant Sareen is always on point! 👌
Both the Pakistanis are talking just nonsense
Sushant sir have deep knowledge of Pakistani mindset. Marvi sermad previous interaction interview shows that she is Islamist. India have many woke people second question shows.
modi's Legacy= HATRED
HATRED = PAKISTAN
Gawar
Do u mean hatred!?
@@krishnaats7141 yeah thanks for pointing out the typo ☺
@@shirazsamad9776 no problem. Modi's legacy is really the hatred for intolerance. And it is a good thing in a way.. don't you agree!?
right! these people arriving without visa should be the goal not normalizing relations and trust to good enough extent that soldiers on either side don't have to petrol critical places on border even in deadly climates. For all this sophistry and pretense of wisdom, what with these unrealistic and neurotic expectations.
What bakwas. Pl select proper students
meanwhile Modi in India lying about congress manifesto
With BJP actions on opposition, India has little ground to question others... A compromise is made.. irrespective of quantity or quality.. it does put India in grey zone.
India is not Pakistan
The government is taking action against corrupt politicians to get back the loot.
Sadly for Pakistan the whole political class is corrupt
Born sinner ?? Taqqiyya??laal slaam ?
Which actions?
Hussain. Haqqani. Pakka. Ghaddaaaaar. India. Ka. Agent.
Shushant sheena ....wisdom of expert and knowledge
7:20
Bad in enough Pak media is obsessed to report only India related news on a daily basis, now ORF is giving airtime to a rogue terrorist country! No one in India other than the bleeding hearts in media, bureaucracy and anti India forces, is interested to learn anything on that terrorist country, even though it’s our neighbor! Spare the Indian public of such discourse, given the shortage of time in everyone’s calendar!
Thank you!
That is correct. But it is important to have shtrubodh on all levels. If people are investing their time to understand and strategize against these inimical forces, we should be happy. ORF is very influential in making our foreign policy.