Neville and Carragher debate whether Mourinho has a future at Man United | MNF
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Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville analyse Jose Mourinho's future at Manchester United on Monday Night Football, after the club's defeat against Brighton. Do you they think Mourinho should be sacked? Should Jose Mourinho have been backed in the transfer market?
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Spot on from both pundits
In case of Carragher, "spit on"
Saket Mishra Totally agree
Saket Mishra
No it’s not spot on Neville is like Scholes & Ferdinand they toll the anti-ManUtd & anti-Mourinho line now they pay them plus their ego was hurt when Giggs an inexperienced manager didn’t get the job so they have been on a mission since then to get Mourinho the sack
But them players Neville Scholes Ferdinand even Giggs where would they be if the club didn’t give Ferguson time & sacked him before the 92/93
Neville & Scholes god bows where they would be Giggs would be getting relegated with Man City Ferdinand playing 2ndDivason with Leeds
So it shows what 1 manager could do with time & patents & wise up
@@SimonCowie86 you're a moron
Saket Mishra Agree well said even though I haven’t watch the whole vid
the picture of mourinho in the background pretty much sums him up so far
When your being investigated by portugese Italian English and international football bodies for 10+ years of match fixing, you'd be grumpy too 😂🤣
A devil
fistingendakenny Proof that he max fixes?
Thought the exact same when I watched this last night. Why on earth would he even pose like that? Lol
Mourinho looks like a WWE Star in the background
He actually made a front row appearance on the wwe. Check it out its on CZcams I'm pretty sure lol
Low Kid 😂😂
Really? I think he looks very happy tbh
@TL C yep
hahahahahahahahahahahaa
That picture of Mourinho in the background looks like the painting that comes to life in the Ghostbusters film
Vigo!!!!
Mourinho finished second with a squad that shouldn't have.
Woodward should have given him every player he wanted to challenge City.
If he gets sacked, United are in big trouble because it seems no matter what happens they wont fully back the manager.
Imagine if Zidane signs and they're still making him play Ashley Young and Smalling.
Zidane would never join united till he's sure that he will get the players he want, which isn't going to happen. So utd need to look for someone else.
@@altraaasvk8547
Which is exactly why they will fail.
Because they wont give a top class manager players they want.
It'll be a vicious cycle until the club gets sold.
Louis Nevers he finished second with the second best squad in the league.
A squad that shouldn't have? Pogba, Alexis, Matic, Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof, Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Dalot, Fred isn't enough backing? £400m+ investment?
Not to mention De Gea who is arguably the best keeper in the world too. He isn't getting enough from the squad, simple as that, he's fallen out with so many players (Pogba, Martial, Shaw etc) Mourinho doesn't have to play Young/Smalling that's his decision.
Mourinho isn't being 'forced' to play Smalling, he's often choosing Smalling because the two centre-backs he chose himself and bought for 70m, (Lindelof and Bailly) are utterly failing, alongside Sanchez, Mkhitaryan and occasionally Pogba,
Mourinho has been backed, since he arrived, Man United have a net spend of -£314m. not too far off Man City's -£405M, more than double that of Chelsea(-£151m), Arsenal (-£149m) and Liverpool (-£139m) and more than SEVEN TIMES that of Tottenham's (-£44m)
He's definitely been backed, He can indirectly attest to this himself. as he implied that Liverpool were spending in vast enough quantities to support 'buying the title' while referring to Liverpool's spending in pre-season, the amount spent was 163m, by Mourinho's indirect admission we can say this is enough to be considered proper title backing... it's also 3m LESS than Mourinho spent to finish 6TH in 2016-17...
if Jose Mourinho, one of the best coaches of all time can't get United over the hump then the issue is clearly deeper rooted (Woodward, the board)
Aaron Knox or the problem is has a himself, considering this happens every single club. He is the common denominator. He always crashes the bus, always.
@E .S what do you mean how, Woodward is literally not letting him sign players he wants purely because they aren't massive names and won't make millions off sponsorship deals, if the most knowledgeable person on football at the club (mourinio) isn't being allowed to do what he wants then it's something to do with the higher ups not him.👍
E .S the thing is Man Utd. needed to spend that much money whether it was spent by Mourinho or someone else doesn’t matter. The players they had before Mourinho were all deadwood. Only good transfer they had before Mourinho was Martial. Now think about that. For example, Pep has spent similar money on City’s squad, but look at the players that were there before he arrived. Kompany, Otamendi, Aguero, Fernandinho, KDB, Sterling. WTH did Mourinho have to work with when he got there besides two young talents in Rashford and Martial? Only world class player at Utd was De Gea, and he’s the goalie
It’s Chelsea 2.0
He is not one of the best coaches
saying about centre backs, I do not accept that as excuse to lose away to Brighton. If you're talking about a high profile game (semi final of champions league) it's fine margins and you can say that. But when you have Bailly, Lindelof, Jones or Smalling they are good enough for games like that,Brighton could not go out and buy Bailly with there budget . Mourinho should be getting the best out of his players and all of them have gone backwards.
Mourihno looks like the devil at the back there
Tshepo IGNITUISE , he is. Either that or a portugease Mr Bean. What do you think camera man said to him "Smilllllleee!" Say "Cheeseeessss".
Spot on. great eye
hes the red devil.
It's basically a media ploy. They paint Jose Mourinho as the "evil one" with that image whilst you always see Klopp Guardiola and Pochettino look happy and determined.
Typical Media tactics
ummmm no ! I'm just simply stating that reason why Mourinho "looks like the devil" because it's a Media tactic to create a devil v angel complex with Mourinho and the English Media's football manager darlings who they consistently lick ass (Guardiola Klopp Pochettino)
Liverpool logo behind neville😂
Behind him where it always finishes through out the years...lol
yawn
@@younglloyd5792 😂😂
Not this time, its like a phoenix rising from the flames. We're back baby! ;)
@@shugaroony only when you win something significant will you "be back". You've won zero so far ..
We've been seeing the same crap from the same players under 3 different managers. At what point do we start blaming the players instead of the manager?
Maybe if you had an attacking manager you'd see the best of your attacking players. Of course guys like Martial, Rashford, Alexis, Pogba are not going to thrive in defensive systems.
I agree but that’s only Fellaini,Smalling,young,Jones,mata, so that’s only 5 players because the goalkeepers aren’t the problem
Because we play boring defensive football. And actually 6 years ago we had a bunch of ither players
the manager who signed the best players from bundesliga , ligue 1 and serie A , then added lukaku , and bailey and many others is to be blamed , not forgetting matic and sanchez
@@ItsAv3rageGamer your absolutely correct, put those players in Sarri or Guardiolas system and you'll see the difference.
If Zidane wants to come in and take us to the next step forward, I'd gladly appoint him, I'd also get a director of football as Woodward's only doing half of the job (the commercial side of things).
Wasn't this said about jose before he joined?
I think it seriously needs to be addressed now, especially after the transfer window we've just had.
Zidane plays attacking football which is something that every United fan wants to see, his tactics also won Madrid the UCL, brought on Bale to change the game, introduced Asensio arguably a replacement for Ronaldo, plus he has won the league with Madrid before.
@Forward To The Past Zidane actually won la liga 16/17
Zidane? Are u dreaming boyf
Perfect and objective way of breaking down the true struggles of Man U. This is better than most shows out there, I love it!!!
I hear Arsene Wenger is available UTD fans 😉
Best replacement in my opinion .
Why Arsene Wenger would downgrade himself?
he could probably get the best out of the French players at united that isn't a bad shout if the board backed Wenger HARD I think offensively he can still set up a team.
defensively is a whoooole different story
I hear Arsenal have just appointed a replica of Arsene Wenger in Unai Emery. Still losing to big clubs.
UNITED IS BETTER THAN THAT.THEY SHOULD HAVE THE BEST EVERYWHERE
Completely correct
There is fault on Jose’s side but he has a point
He needs to be backed
There is no way that Utd are going to do much if the manager doesn’t agree with the people higher than him
It’s a recipe for disaster
Woodward doesn’t care about the football he cares about profit
And the fans don’t care about that we care about winnings games and winning trophies no matter the style of football we play
The Utd of old is gone
We need to accept that and move forward
Gameking 49 he has spent 400M pounds on players. Including the CBs he hand picked.
I love these videos can you upload more and more and more please!!!
Spot on. I think both gentlemen have hit the nail right on the head, excellent comments.
It's not the manger or the team I think it's the people up stairs that are not giving jose the money he wants for players or the freedom to do what jose want s not the broad
I just why have a manager, say you don't want to sack him, but not back him. I prefer the boards view of players with better resell value, so why not get a manager who would prefer that. Just a complete mess
Gotta love gazza! Top geezer, speaks his mind and was bang on with all his points today!
Well Said from both, Gary deserves to be United Next Sport Direct
Huge united fan and love carragher, glad he is back and talks nothing but sense where Jose is concerned! G Nev is always spot on inc on Woodward!! Sky should judge everyone on these two and tor starters get redknapp out cz his personal hate were Jose is concerned is comical!! Souness i can even take cz he has always been bittee were MUFC is concerned!!
Defcon Security I'm a huge Liverpool fan and love watching Neville. Imagine if these two played on the same team!
@@Monkeypole like they did for England and produced nothing? Lol
Tom Doherty lol True! I was pretty drunk when I posted that!
@@Monkeypole haha fair enough, I see what drunk you was saying though if they played for the same club and were training together week in week out they would've been great, they would've been remembered no matter the quantity of alcohol consumed if club rivalries and bad management hadnt buggered that generation of England up, every position was class but full of Chelsea, United, Liverpool players who on every other day of the year would've hated each other, on paper they be remembered with a line up like Neville, 2 of Terry or Jamie c or Ferdinand or with Ashley Cole on the left behind a midfield of scholes, Gerrard and carrick with lampard attacking mid behind Rooney and owen, so much potential for the 2006 world cup lol instead we went out to Cristiano Ronaldo in the qf and his future boss went on to headbutt the soul out of an Italian as he lost final
I think Chelsea will do well this season
Anas Vorajee your right
Me2, I’m a Liverpool fan but think people are underestimating Chelsea + hazard isn’t going, they look good
@@bobbyfagan7760 the keeper and morata are the weak points
The keeper will adapt w time, I mean liverpool had karius and still managed top 4 last season. Kepa will get better and morata has scored and will continue to do so bc Sarri's style allows him to. Just could manage top 3 if the defence gets organized
Minhal Mir
City
Liverpool
Chelsea
Spurs
Is my top 4.
Makes me feel better that G. Neville feels the same pain we do as fans. It's sad really but I always said Mourinho is not a United Manager; one of the things I loved about watching United growing up was seeing the young players come through. Unfortunately this seems like a thing of the past. Fergie could make Cleverley an above average CM from his LM position and Mourinho can't improve Martial, and Rashford (that says everything about how far away we've come from what we had).
These two are some of the best pundits out there
Tottenham match will be the break-even point of Mourinho's tenure as a manager of Manchester United.
I think he does, fans need to stop complaining. Mourinho has to change his attitude a little though.
Brilliantly said both of them.
class analysis thank you!
Mourinho doesn't like living in Manchester, he told Portuguese newspaper that its like living in the bronx.
Lol yeh. It’s awesome. We get inner city problems but inner city bitches as well
Haze DC he lives in the big skyscraper in the centre. Says its like a prison
C Dorma where do you live bro?
Villainous foreigner scottish highlands bro. No villains up here.
C Dorma he doesn't live in a skyscraper, he lives in the Lowry hotel and has the entire top floor
I'm not a United fan by any means, but can someone explain to me why are they backing Mourinho here?
Carra says Mou is a manager of today, not for tomorrow. But it's been 3 seasons with Mourinho and he still hasn't won the PL title. He has spent nearly half a billion pounds on players, and yet still hasn't shown any signs of progression.
And didn't Mourinho buy Bailly & Lindelof? And bought about 300 million on attacking talent alone in Lukaku, Mikhtaryan, & Pogba? If he still can't get the best out of his own signings, why would I trust Mourinho with more money? and how many signings does he still need until he achieves a PL title?
the point is not that jose has done well, it’s that they shouldn’t have extended his contract if they weren’t going to go along with what he wanted
Finally someone else with some sense. Everyone talking about how they haven't backed him with signings, let's not forget even this summer they got Fred for £50m+ the two CB's who apparently aren't good enough according to everyone as you pointed out, were both Mourinho signings. Mkhitaryan was a Mourinho signing and that didn't work, that was another £35m+. Its no surprise the board are hesitant to back him when he can't even get the best out of his current squad which has had so much investement and is full of very good players.
Let's face it, if Guardiola was in charge of United and Mourinho in charge of City, United would be champions last year.
Mourinho has not replaced the whole team. Pep, Klopp, Poch all of them have almost replaced all the players they do not need. What Mourinho is doing is adding a few quality players to a team with a large amount of average/mediocre players.
@@DavidChong right, rewatching that, your comment makes sense. Thanks! Still think that Mourinho should still be doing so much better than he has as he has an amazing attacking line-up that looks really good on paper
@@ItsAv3rageGamer exactly! While I understand that if you're going to give him a new contract, you have an obligation to back him, he still should be doing so much better with his squad.
Spot on by you guys!.. the board needs hasn't done enough.
These guys always have something good to say. Very interesting listening to them
Ferguson proved to have won the PL title with a top 5 quality team at best, mourinho has pogba, lukaku, matic, alexis n a 'decent' back line n the best keeper on the planet. Spent 300 million approx n is still moaning about 1 centre back, we lost at the weekend. We shouldve lost against leicester. Teams who finished below us last season are being applauded for their style of play. Mourinho attracted those players who would not have arguably come to us. Thank you. Sack him now. Bring in zidane n he'll take the shackles of this team and we will atleast challenge liverpool and man city n be a force again. We have a sleepin giant and mourinho wont trust them to win
I agree. Ferguson made his players perform at 120% of their level. Mourinho gets maximum 70-80% level of his players. Half of the team is brought by Mourinho, yet he complains.
Mourinho has bought four 23 year old players, one 18 year old and two 29 year olds in Sanchez and Matic... I'd argue ge wants to build a long term team. But long-term teams like United need to win asap so I guess it's fair for Mourinho to want experience in his back line, because precisely what's happening now wouldn't happen if he had the players he's wanted! Ffs can people stop forgetting what a huge backbone Guardiola had at City when he arrived... Aside from Sané all his best player were already the best players previously Silva, Aguero, De Bruyne... And he still spent 500M.
Mourinho had a rotting defence in smalling and rojo, had no striker, had no title winners aside from De Gea, he had no midfield! So of course he should have spent more than Guardiola, much more! Ed Woodward and the Glazers are ruining the club but still expect the team to thrive??? But I still think Mourinho shouldn't be rulled out like these two are doing. With this team he finished in 2nd and got to the fa cup final and now he's added Fred who will help a lot, Pereira and Dalot who in my opinion, from what I've seen, is incredibly talented. United are still very much contenders!!
Well said!
Well said but we didn’t deserve to finish 2nd last year nor get to that cup final, the problem is the other teams around the top 6 have all strengthened substantially. We bought 2 players. (Not counting lee grant because he seriously shouldn’t even be at United) we will be lucky if we get past a quarterfinal of any cup competition and if we get into the top 5. I’m preparing for a dreadful season. We all should. Even last season when we were 4-0 FC we didn’t look convincing our squad is simply not good enough no matter who is managing them.
Really?? Pep had an aging backline with the likes of zabaletta, clichy, sagna, and koralov. The only worthy mention is Kompany who was injury prone at that time. KDB was not even at the level he is now. No one was talking about him as much as he is now under Pep. Pep got the very best out of him. So your excuse for Mourinho is completely rubbish. He is using obsolete tactics that no longer work.
Mark Thuo exactly he had an ageing back line and was allowed to spend 50+ mil per player to replace them. This Man U board are useless and Our manager is stubborn. We are losing on both fronts.
I'd back Mourinho if we were playing good football. But we are not. Hence why the board isn't backing him and why we shouldn't waste funds on a manager who isn't potentially going to be here next year
Nice discussion, well said
Perfect analysis from both. I think these issues are the reasons for Utd's recent failures rather than missing on this player or that, or missing on this head coach or that.. They lack clear strategy for managing a modern post-Ferguson football club.
When did zlatan return
Seems to me everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and slating Mourinho as if he hasn't delivered anything to manutd over his 2 seasons . Let's look at what he's had to work with and how he's brought them on and how he's used them .
the season before last he determined late on that his best chance of getting into the champions league was the Europa league . A cup competition . He finished 5th in the league but what did he do in the Europa league . He won it and got into the champions league . How many managers could use their players well enough to actually succeed in that ?
Last season his team didn't finish 10th or 9th or 5th . They finished second . They finished above arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and Tottenham , Mourinho finished above the champions league finalists of Klopp , the lauded team of pochettino , the league winner conte of the previous season , and wenger .
Now go back to his time in spain . are real madrid challenging Barcelona without him there ? DID real Madrid challenge Barcelona when they had Guardiola there with Mourinho as their manager ?
So why is everyone acting as if Mourinho is failing ? Because you're getting annoyed with his moaning ? Well , he's used to having the players he wants WHEN he wants them but still look at what the players he has there have done . Europa league , fa cup , 2nd place in the league in two seasons . But remember also you're all shouting about how good his players are that were there when he started the job . Rashford , Martial , Smalling , Jones , Lingard , everyone is saying how can he leave them out in any game . No one was saying that when Mourinho joined the club , so is he actually improving players ? Of course he is . Is he delivering results ? The evidence says yes .
Now let's be a little more pragmatic . Would smalling and Jones getting into Tottenham , Chelsea , or liverpools teams ? Yet for Mourinho they've performed . Seems to me that says his coaching and his tactics have made them look better and play better . You say he doesn't play the Manchester united way . What is the Manchester united way > What has it been since ferguson left ?So it wasn't the man td way , really , was it , it was the ferguson way , and let's be honest now , in terms of players and managers and financial backing , a few teams have caught manu up now . When ferguson was manager no other team got the players man wanted . Manu financially were head and shoulders above everyone else . When ferguson left , Chelsea mancity had the resources they had for player recruitment and wage bills , Tottenham arsenal and Liverpool were catching them , the synamic was changing from a top 1 or 2 teams to a top 6 teams .
So , is Mourinho the failure people are claiming ? No , guys , he isn't . He HAS delivered on the pitch and let's be honest apart from a Cpl of players he's had to build up his younger players rather than bring In all the players he wants .
Just saying , folks , don't slate the manager without good reason and right now you don't have good reason . As for this season , we're two games in . Judge him at the end of the season , not after two games , and realise and be honest about what he has to work with and what he's fighting against .
Facts bro
I disagree all he has done is compliain, he has been backed with lots of money yet he says when he arrived his squad was behind he needs more money blah blah blah
No they had a team level on points with city on goal difference, the next season after his recruitment they were 6 points off city then last season 19 points off city
It was his two centre halfs played, we signed most expensive player in world we give Sanchez a blank cheque in wages, he has not delivered
Rashford martial and Shaw's potential has gone backwards, the man who moans about his squad sold likes of de bruyne, Salah and Lukaku
He's not getting the best of the players he has simple
Are you sure ? WHERE were manutd when Mourinho took over ? How many of that team were players that would get into the other teams of the top six ? Be honest man . And be honest about this , too . You say manutd have backed him financially . Look at not just last year and the year before , look at the last five years . Over the last five years how many of the players that mancity Chelsea and Liverpool wanted have they got ? So what did Mourinho start with ? And how much backing did he really get ? Did he get his TEAM or only the odd player to SLIGHTLY change the balance of the team ? And again , what has he done with that ? He finished ahead of Klopp poch conte and wenger last season , and only behind pep who had every player he wanted . Honesty man .
And don't forget that average striker at everton is a thirty goal a season striker now .
Thank You !! At least someone who understands football issues well
Does that photo of Mourinho in the background at 2:42 not remind you of the bad guy in the ghostbusters film in the painting!!!!!
Great points !!!!!
Manchester United have improved in every department since Moyes and Van Gaal he won 3 trophies he got the club to another final last season finished second in the league Mourinho has dine a incredible job
I share your view too but it seems to be the point of view of the minority now. There's just so much vile against Mourinho now for I don't know what reason. Its getting harder to bare. And the players are just not good enough. For all its worth, its difficult to watch ManU at the moment. Cheers.
davidogan Crap football, what's so hard to understand? Football is an entertainment business and he is failing miserably.
Man utd vs Tottenham
What you man utd line up for the game
Yes LazySingh, you are 100% on the mark with this. Mourinho is truly failing in this aspect but I don't think it's on his shoulders solely. His football wasn't always like this. But ManU football now is appalling and all the nonsense crap, not minutely relating to football, is dominating the news. Oh, so hard to watch and so sad. Cheers.
@@davidogan thanks mate likewise I agree with your sentiments it's a huge rebuilding job at Manchester United serious investment is needed look at Liverpool they have spent serious money yet Woodward and the Glazers clueless pal
loss to Tottenham, end of José
To early
Defeat to Liverpool in December would seal the deal
as a manutd fan if a loss to tottenham would get him the sack i would be happy with it. i am respectful for what he did but he has to go
@CR7 is better than messi by country mile if we get a director of football he will most likely go
@CR7 is better than messi by country mile no he is not. cool name by the way
From the time Alex left and man u changing the managers and players.
I think Its the time for changing ppl at the top!
Brilliant as always from Garry
Mourinho pic at the back looks like those old painting in vampire horror movies.
Haning Nugrahadi Nail on the head, just couldn't put my finger on it
count vigo in ghostbuster?
I've got spit all over my screen
Absolutely spot on
Both, brilliant as ever.
Jose Borinho isn’t the right manager for United, but I hope he never leaves I love laughing at United😂
James Wright Hutu now Man Utd and Arsenal are both hilarious lmfao
I'm a man utd fan and even I'm laughing
losers tend to ..
Losers tend to ? ..
James Wright you’re getting reeled in mate 😂😂😂
The answer for man u is simple. Sack Mourinho and bring in Pocchetino. He is probably the only manager in the world that could get them competing with Man City. Plus he will have much better squad and money to actually improve the squad. He needs to leave Spurs an absolute joke of a team who have no ambition at all. This is their only time to genuinely challenge for a title, instead they give the manager no funds, cant even afford grealish. The reason Tottenham are where they are is one reason Pochettino, if he goes they are fucked.
Not impossible theory considering spurs blew all there money on a new stadium
Great to have Carragher back to complete this excellent duo
Carragher was spot on with his opening line. No progression under mourinho just NOW matters for him!
Then neville goes into more detail about it! Class from both both really football smart!
Mourinho has been backed but if the player's he goes for don't want to play with him or fancy his team's style of play then you have a massive problem.
John Redmond then why didn't he buy players who fancy his style of play?
siddharth patil he tried to sign 4 or 5 defenders didn't he? So I'd guess none of them wanted to play for him?
well he signed Bailly and Lindelof himself. and they're playing terribly,
Neville at Valencia same Mouriho of today. 😂
It's worth commending both Neville and Carragher in that that the analytical capability of pundits such as these two goes WELL beyond the kind of stuff we were seeing/hearing 10 or so years ago - Bravo
I got loads of respect for Gary Neville. Love listening to him.
Compete with City without spending the money, but yes, blame Jose, stupidity
bollocks he's had money
He has had less than city, given then pep already had a better squad...
As a Liverpool fan, I wouldn't want to see Antonio Conte as the next united manager.
Zidane sooner than Poch as well.
United are in a shambles 😂
Summed up perfectly
Wow!!!....agreed.. well said...This is on the boards head..terrible transfer window for Man U regarding CBs....After giving him a new contract in January
Kind of like happened to Conte last summer
Both Moutinho and Ed Woodward need to go
Absolutely! It's not one or the other, both of them that are ruining the club.
Sadam Ali * And the Glazers !!
I think Jamie and Gary are right but I also have no sympathy for José. This happens at every single club he is at, he is the only common denominator. That tells you everything you need
Madrid and chelsea twice fired him. No ome leaves there on their own accord. If it happens at united it will be moyes, can gaal and jose fired. Who os next?
United went from a defense with evra, ferdinand, and vidic to a defense with young (a winger), phil jones, and chris smalling. That says it all.
Lemme just say I a strong United fan but I absolutely love the fact that Jamie is back & it’s absolutely true what both have said....
ZIdane just go save them please!! Manchester United IS NOT supposed to be like this.
I dont believe there is one single united supporter who believe mourinho will bring them back to the glory days??
Brighton fans left 30 min before the game was over because they felt comfortable....................................................................that alone means he has to go.
Yes . United is a natural attacking team for years, and now Jose comes and makes them do the complete opposite will certainly not work. Not now not ever
Can't disagree with your comment
b1!ND2LEvVv Arsene Wenger, could be a shout but that would just be crazy
agree about the criticism, but I disagree about backing him financially.
Mourinho's two choice centrebacks, the ones he definitely chose to sign, Lindelof and Bailly were the pair that brought about this conversation.
his other signings, Sanchez, dropped for Brighton because he's been utterly appalling for United thus far, Mkitaryan, didn't get a look in. Pogba? frequently misused and/or scapegoated.
If I was Ed Woodward, looking at this 380m hole in my pocket, and the lack of accomplishment said spending has netted, I would be extremely hesitant to give Mourinho more money. it's doesn't matter what quality of players you've got if they're being completely mismanaged.
that's speculative to say the least. both players cost upward of 30m, they weren't a cost-cutting solution, and Mourinho was singing the praises of both before they were signed.
Van Dijk's the most expensive defender ever and even he didn't cost that much,
Mourinho's just laying out bad targets, 38m for Bailly, 27 for Mkhitaryan (who he barely used) United are clearly willing to spend the cash, given the 90m acquisition of Pogba and the 75m acquisition of Lukaku, so you're just making excuses.
Mourinho's had more backing than any other club barring City, with the second highest net-spend of any PL club since the Summer 2016 window (when he arrived.)
if you can't build a complete 'house' with 390m spent and two years of time then the roof is the least of your worries.
evidently you're missing my point... after 2 years and 390m spending, i'd expect there to be a roof on the damn house. if there isn't a roof on the house by that point then something's clearly wrong with the builder, and I'm certainly not going to give them more money to continue failing to build a roof.
"if woodward doesn't even put money into this project"
I'm not sure how many times I can reiterate how much higher Man Utd's net spend is then most of their competitors....
IT'S NOT THE QUANTITY OF THE MONEY
IT'S MOURINHO'S MISUSE OF IT.
he might have more money to spend on his backline if he didn't keep frittering it away on players he doesn't need, Mkhitaryan, who barely got a look in before being sold. he's spent hundreds of millions on centre midfielders alone, (Matic, Pogba, Fred) when he already had depth in that position with Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Fellaini) Schweinsteiger! one of the most decorated players in football, and Mourinho barely gave him so much as a chance, before offloading him and bringing in more defensive mids.
Mourinho was singing the praises of Lindelof long before signing him, hailing him as a potential great, in fact it's probably Mourinho's roots with Benfica that opened up the move in the first place.
You're also conveniently forgetting Mourinho's first season, where he spent 166m to finish 6TH. one place BELOW Van Gaal.
your FA Cup win was fortuitous as hell,
and your second place finish last season was extremely flattering,.
there's a key difference in how the 'bigger three' of the big six operate. (that' s Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea)
Guardiola arrived, looked at his squad, identified the weaknesses, (inconsistent keeper, aging fullbacks) and within 14 months on the job, he had addressed all major issues.) offloading players that didn't fit his system (Hart, Iheanacho, Fernando, Sagna, Nasri etc.)
he's made 23 permanent signings, but also offloaded 19 players on permanent deals that either weren't up to snuff, or didn't fit his system. he completely overhauled the line-up to make it what he wanted it to be, and sold players to aid both the transition of ideas and the financial burden making back around 150m on players sold.
Conte arrived, looked at his squad, changed the system, brought in the players specifically to aid that system, (Luiz, Alonso, Kante) and offloaded the players who were of no use to his style, (Oscar. etc.)
Conte made 13 permanent signings and offloaded 14 players, making back around 265m on players sold. his only real hiccup was the Matic sale, which was out of his hands. this wasn't so much of an overhaul as a few key changes, and buying depth replacements for lesser (barring Costa and Matic) departures.
by contrast.. Mourinho came in, spent big, and has continually FAILED to address critical issues, his centre back signings have not worked, he's failed to sign adequate replacements to his aging fullbacks, barring Dalot who've seen neither hide nor hair of yet. he's perpetually failed to find an adequate balanced midfield duo/trio despite throwing nearly 200m at that particular problem. and his team still aren't scoring enough goals due to his impressively negative tactics. in his time at United he's purchased 10 players. fewer than Conte despite having an extra window to buy in. and only 7 players have been permanently sold. bringing back a measly 80m it's not so much an overhaul as a slow waffling nothing.
Sarri has already flipped Chelsea on its head, with them playing noticably differently, all due to one key acquisition (Jorginho) and repurposing of existing players.
and that's Mourinho's problem, Man United lack a system, they lack direction, and they lack a proper philosophy.
while it ended badly, look at Mourinho's return to Chelsea for an example, he made a few key signings and instilled a clear tactical idea with a clear line-up by the start of his second season he had a cohesive team,
Courtois in goal.
RB Ivanovic, given freedom to overlap as Willian ahead of him prefers to play on the edge of the box.
CBs Terry , standard stopper
CBs Cahill, standard
LB Azpilicueta, specifically moved over to the left as he was (and is) Chelsea's best defender, and can essentially cover the flank on his own while Hazard ran riot up ahead.
CDM Matic, destroyer in midfield, win ball, pass to Fabregas or Hazard,
CDM Fabregas Deep lying playmaker, receives ball in deep space, plays long incisive balls or threaded through balls from an advanced position.
CAM Oscar, trequartista, told to dribble at the edge of the box and retain till a pass presents itself
RW Willian, told to track back to aid Ivanovic. with Ivanovic on the overlap he'd tend to cut inside.
ST Costa, rush and harry opposition, win ball or intercept it, play in the wingers.
LW Hazard, go nuts.
most of these players made 30+ league appearances,
Mourinho had a clear idea of what his best line-up and subsequent tactical system was.
at United? he clearly doesn't have a clue.
Spot on
So true.
Really milking this conversation aren't you lads 😂
Messi Is a BTEC Salah more den you biliv im milking this conversation, more den you beliv.
Your picture made me think there was a hair on the screen or a crack haha
just spent about 20 seconds blowing my screen and scratching it to get the hair off, well played sir
Wow, your profile picture has scared the crap out of me.... I thought it was a scratch on my brand new macbook screen...
Your profile name is brilliant 😂 also your picture made me think there was a hair on my screen 🤔
Moaninho....quicker he leaves the better. Hope they draw it out though cause it’s funny laughing at them plus United fans been very humble & quiet lately, feels good.
Laughing at tottenham? Why do you have them? Its actually the team in the top 6 that i have the most respect for.
Just be happy we aren’t beating you all the time for once ey 😘😘😘
Spot on from lads
Exactly my point u give this guy a new contract but not enough reinforcements Woodward out
I am not a man u fan.. But I think that zidane could have been a perfect option not only for recent stage but also for future... moreover the board has to sack some of their members.
Preetam Mukherjee why do Asian people never use commas, instead they use double dots. (..)
@@humzarehman8671 they always say his instead of hes
no I know 😂
It's not the board that's the problem, it's the lack of ambition from the ownership and the "yes" man they hired to run it. The Glazers and Woodward don't care about contending for titles, they care about finishing top 4, going to Champions League and getting out of the group stage. That's a profitable year for them, as long as they aren't breaking the bank every summer on signings.
I am the only one that think Zidane will not be as succesfull in manchester as he was in madrid . Being a club legend has helped him a lot to impose himself over players egos. Never playnig for manchester u will be a downside for him. For me personally Zidane should stick only to coaching : Madrid , Juventus, France and maybe Bordeaux.
Mourinho has lost it, it's that simple. Asking for signings to replace his OWN signings that didn't work. He's like a child constantly throwing his toys out the pram. All you have to do is compare what Liverpool are doing under Klopp having been there a similar amount of time, spent similar amounts of money yet one team is playing electrifying football and the other is now known as one of the most boring teams in the league, Man City also. Yet Mourinho continues to cry victim saying he's not been backed when he pretty much signed the whole United team he has now. Also, crying about how much other teams spend when in comparison it's very similar and forgetting he was the one who smashed the world record fee for Pogba & paid 70 million for Lukaku- having the knock on effect of inflating the price of every player. Yes, he got them second place and he can keep getting them second place all he wants, playing his dry football but I know they don't have the quality to win the premier league or champions league so let them play. At the end of the day i'd rather watch my team playing like Liverpool and City because 1) it's entertaining & 2) there's more chance of winning something significant playing in that style.
He was not the one who signed Pogba.
So happy to have a die hard MUFC fan speak sense at the top level. Watch this space.
These 2 and Henry are the best to listen to. Most of the time they are spot on
Mourinho is one of the best football managers in the world. Man United should keep him.
Michał Sykutera he was one of the best , football has changed since then though
Never close to world class.......
Mourinho can't coach. He needs to buy players that other managers have educated. He might as well just be the scout because that's where his talent ends.
a scout who has won more honours than Guardiola....that's an impressive scout....
@@alphie10 Jose might have more honors than Pep thus far, but his style of football will never make it to the history books. Whereas Guardiola is definitely already in the history books. Look at the impressive way his teams play, now compare that to Mourinho. Pep will be remembered fondly by the footballing world, can't say the same for Jose.
@@adetunwaseogunleye8512 age has nothing to do with it you mumu.
@@thuo1000 no one will remember the style of play when Guardiola won the CL.... Or when Mourinhos Porto won the final. People remember winning trophies good or ugly doesn't matter.
If Pep is given our squad as it is he would be 7th 😂
Spot on,United knew wat jose was about and now they refusing to spend the money,disgraceful from woodward and the board have never seen such shambles
+20 years Ferguson was given time and brought success. Huge shoes to fill since he left.
LVG, Moyes now Mourinho were/are up against it with the pressure to deliver.
Imo, Ferguson's legacy is/has a detrimental effect on past and current managers at united.
A Sports psychologist would probably argue for example..
The united manager whilst in the dug out at old Trafford, across from him in big bold lettering..
The Alex Ferguson Stand. That alone would make any manager feel not worthy , intimidated if you like, just to begin with to add to the pressure.
One can only imagine ALL the Ferguson memorabilia that's in house at old Trafford!
Whatever Big name gets the united job has the worst pressure of all especially if they're a..Poch, ZZ for example.
United should look to the likes of Giggs etc..past players who are informative and where part of that Ferguson legacy. They will produce the results and more importantly, be able to deal with the fergie legacy... and it will take time..just like it did Ferguson!
They say "no one person/player is bigger than the club they represent"
It seems Ferguson is.
Not on his accomplishments, but on how he is heralded at united!
Interesting observation
Also Fergie is sat right above watching every game
Jose will be burnt if UTD lose to spurs...
no he won't
He lost
when Smalling is playing he looks like bambi
Respect to Carragher and Neville's business knowledge! These two fellas are amazing!
exactly, perfectly said
If Jose mourinho goes to Bayern Munich he'd win everything in Germany but wouldn't get praised.
If he went to city when pep did and spent the same amount of money to add to an already great team he wouldn't get any credit. And then you have pep guardiola who has only ever won the champions league because of Messi Iniesta puyol Xavi Alves villa. Yet guardiola is never criticised after getting battered 5 years in a row in the champions league.
he made the team attacking aggressive, beautiful style of plays when u see pep's team u see the ball flow all over the pitch and that is attractive football and all players are improved a lot under pep management that's why
Evenbrace
Who's improved a lot under peps management at Bayern? He was there for three years can you name 3 players he improved. You can't he was a complete failure and everyone in Germany knows he is. The media over there isn't up his whole like the English or Spanish sheep
this was a ridiculous stament you just made!!
mkat490
Which one?
Both managers are good but Pep can spot fresh talent & improve it, Mourinho sold KDB & Salah from Chelsea look at what they're doing now
Are you mad!! Sack him
Mourinho is an impact manager. He comes in, shakes things up, gets the players loyalty and love, usually gets some results, then it all goes south and he moves on to the next A Team mission.
Spot on, Nev.
Let's be honest with ourselves😂 As a Barca fan we all know Jose is jealous of Pep! He can't stand Pep...that's why he is gonna be sacked after Tottenham beat them this weekend! We all know Jose, us Barca fans also know him all too well. ....José's biggest problem is PEP! And we Barca fans love it!😆 Jose can't perform to his potential because Pep is there....simple as that😊. All Barca fans will know how Pep destroyed him at Madrid. ...those memories still haunt him!
Fonsi Pep True😆
That's why Man City respect Barca and Barca respect City💜
Fonsi Pep Yes he was always scared of Pep😅
Mourinho can't take the heat?
Yes he is under pressure because of Pep😂
Mourinho is completely lost in mu.
Excellent Analysis.
Keep up the good work jose!
Utd got very lucky with ferguson..they was average before and are average now..get used it the glory days are long gone.
Richard John McCain United weren’t average before, the first English club to ever win the European cup, Sir Matt Busby’s era was immense and would’ve dominated if Munich never happened.
'lucky'.. scholes, giggs and rooney all average. vidic, ferdinand, evra.. average and some random average guy called cristiano ronaldo
Richard John McCain 26 years of dominance is not lucky
It's because they gave him 7 years to gamble around until he eventually won the league you don't get that luxury these days 2nd as is too long they say
20years of relative success isn't luck.
As long as it’s not zidane
why? he'd be French like pogba and martial and could attract LA liga players to
The man that's won the last 3 champions leagues????? Oh but he's manager of Real Madrid, they're bound to win it......Mourinho managed RM for 3 years..... he didn't win it though. Also how many times did RM win the champions league in the decade before Zidane came in seeing as anybody can win it with RM?
@@Fumblingthroughlifeonline Real Madrid when Jose took over were a shambles, Getting knocked out in the Cl consistently for 5 years, Being completely in the shadow of Barca whereas Zidanes team had just won a CL and the players were amazing and Rafa just didn't suit or handle the situation properly whereas Zidane did . Real Madrids team didn't need tactics that much, Man managing was required and Zidane was amazing in that. For ex Rafa has gone to Newcastle and has got them to 10th without a lot of money buy employing great tactics etc. Zidane here needs tactics to outsmart Pep,Klopp,Sarri,Etc and he doesn't have the players to do it. Just compare the Real team to Man united and you'll understand what I'm talking about. He had a leader there with Ramos, A Big game player in Ronaldo And had a bench containing kovacic,Bale,Asensio and Lucaz Vasquez who could change game in a second .Lukaku,Pogba,Matic,De Gea and Maybe Bailly are the only ones that may actually get into Real Squad . I'm not undermining Zidanes ability,but the state we are in and seeing The Boards lack of ambition in the Transfer Market I don't think Zidane will do wonders like He did with RM .
SK N Zzzzzz too long
@@bananaboy6317 this is what's wrong with Utd fans they just Want Zizou because he's won things and not knowing how he would change is with this shambolic board and A clueless Board.
I'm a united fan who has a season ticket and attends everyday. The first game v Leicester was appalling. First 5 mins was electric but the problem now at United, when something goes against the plan( Leicester holding possession of the ball) the fans look for a scapegoat which makes the atmosphere toxic. Usually that scapegoat is Jose. None of the blame goes to the people who affect it more, the board and the players. I support the players but the board are the real people that piss me off. Just because Manchester United is a brand, it shouldn't mean that the football becomes second priority to the business side. Sacking Jose isn't going to change this. It has to be fixed from up above.
Class of 92 Directors of Football !
mourinho out
What a pic they chose to use for Mourinho - genius. Also love the Liverbird looking imperious over Neville :D
Im a massive united supporter and i can tell u everything going on has been ripping me apart. But i still support and believe every week 😔 but i will say when we do eventually come back to WINNING ways, competing every year ways it will be so much sweeter for me at least. GGMU
Spot on from both, its a total shambles and they need a restructure from the top down starting with a sporting director that knows the club. Van der Sar would be a good shout as he is rumoured for the position however if there are more experienced people in his position then we should go for that. Woodward just aint cutting it football wise but commercially he is fantastic nobody can take that away from him.