Gus and Abdo CLASH over Match Review Committee | Wide World of Sports
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Didn't agree with some if his points but respect to Abdo for coming out taking this head on. 🙏🏽
If you ask a question Gus
Let the bloke answer without interrupting ffs
Bowing to you.😀
Great dialogue. Would like to see exchanges like this in other sports, for fans to see. For instance, between a commissioner and a GM
Wrong people in charge who have turned the game into a reality tv show and a political debate have lost sight of the grandeur of our game 👎🏾
Its all about 💰
Well said.....
@@MrBENTPIN Greenberg and his precius Bunker. These people are psychos.
...mine construction site I was on years ago was rained in and work had come to a stand still...so all the workers decided on a game of footy on a very muddy field , no grass only mud and gravel..no ref...no white collar brigade brandishing insurance papers...no match reviews...just a lot of tough individuals running the ball end to end...there was some blood ...main injury was mud in eyes...greatest entertainment ever...there's more money in the suits on this panel than my car is worth...Gus and Cam seem to be on the same wavelength in getting back to basics.....too many freeloaders at the top...." administrators " ....usual suspects ...the wealthy sweating on the poor...
Spot on John!
"The game has to appeal to everybody except the fans"
@5:40 for the point in which Gus kicks off (let's be honest, that's what we came here for)
and a minute later. abdo is done!
Thanks mate
@Grahame Charles Gould for sure. I'm not in Gus's corner. He's notorious for his blow ups which makes for good entertainment. I can see an argument for both sides on this
It's a tough job for them. Considering the safety of players is key, they just are trying to find out where to draw the line of what they'll allow. You can't just waive risk completely and say "they know what they're signing up for" or else people would literally die playing the game if safety wasn't being considered. Talking about the consistency of the MRC is a separate point, we all know the flaws there. But what they're trying to do is find where they're going to draw a line of allowance on the spectrum of safety, which is really tough and will take time.
Recently in rugby 50 former internationals are taking the irb (world rugby) to court over head injuries, this is the reason we are seeing these changes in rules etc
@@richardrice5942 yeah, so if they make it safer this doesn't happen 🤣🤣
One way to make the game really safe, would be to hang tags off the players waists, that way we can rip the tags off instead of tackling. Then the only time someone gets a booboo will be if an outright accident happens. And in that case, we shoot the player who doesn't get injured, and then everyone is happy.
It is not a safe game life is not safe.. play in bubble rap ,,lets just play touch,,,,
“We’re not setting road rules mate we’re playing football”.
The Dale's suspension was a Fark'n joke... Yet... This talk resolved nothing on the inconsistency of the MRC
@Grahame Charles Gould I got 15 likes On the comment , meaning they agree with me🤷
So your saying that they didn't listen aswell?
It accomplished nothing, just the same result
@Grahame Charles Gould it's not what I want, it's what the fans want,
Consistency, are we getting it,No..
The conversation didn't give a result 🤷
Plain and simple
@Grahame Charles Gould i laugh 🤭
The road rules comparison was spot on
How?
There’s a duty of care that each player owes to another
Can we take a moment to acknowledge the sensational banter at 1:27
"Cam you know the rule book better than anyone"
😂
Abdo is a world class administrator
Anyone else see this n remember 100% Footy was on actual TV show in a timeslot?
Seriously 9. Upload the full episode.
The games bleeding fans every day through the bunker and the lunacy around the MRC the past few years. The excuses only last so long before the fans get fed up and call it out for what it is. INCOMPETENCE!
When Gould threw out the highly paid
comment he hit the nail on the head, without him knowing it… a player that is paid a couple 100 grand is a piece of equipment. If he is damaged he isn’t producing anything. They are protecting the machinery of the game.
I've said it since Billy slater should have missed his last game in the grand final for a shoulder charge and he had small bad tackles that got him sent to the judiacry more then a couple of times. Same with Justin hodges put bloke on his head and his rap sheet was bad also but he got to play in his last game in the grand final despite the tackle would players out for at least 4 weeks for those tackles.Issac Luke missed his grand final with a tackle that was no where near as bad as Justin's but still was a penalty but being put on report was an overreaction by officials. Even sonny bull admitted it wasn't that bad. It's a corrupt stain on the game that keeps getting worse get rid of it completely
Ben Creagh should of been banned from game for running from Justin Hodges of all people. Now he is in the mrc
I disagree … Dont ruin the grand final forever (“what if Slater played”)
Its a shoulder charge not a tombstone piledriver
Hodges was a grub and a a ball hog.
I'm glad Slater got off, got to see him get smashed live the next week it was glorious.
I will say, Gus not saying ‘No’ to Abdo’s last question, does show that Abdo does know what he’s talking about. The NRL run a fine line, it’s hard, that’s not lost on me, but there is inconsistencies, and it’s good to hear an administrator of the game openly say there are inconsistencies, they feel the same as us
An administrator's main goal is justifying their own job.
1. Bunker can’t rule on forward passes
2. It was clearly back off Holmes’s shoulder
3. IT’S HIS SHOULDER
4. Repeat step 1 -.-
Cameron Smith: "players understand the risks/are ok with the risks..." Yeah, like NFL players or English Rugby Union players who are suing the NFL and the English Federation... The NRL knows about the risk of getting a class action or at least bad publicity from ex-players so they have to do everything to make the game as clean as possible!
Meh, the lawsuits are few and far between, there's barely any in the great scheme of things. You don't hear about thos happening in Rugby Union in Australia or New Zealand (the greatest rugby nation on earth) and if you do, it's 1 every now and then. The risks are known, many have played before, many will play after, we can't live in the shadows.
@@thedappercook That's what everybody was saying in England until recently...
Not anticipating it (and try to mitigate it) would be a life threatening mistake for the NRL
@@TarsoBsAs England are soft, that's all. Not a problem for everyone else. That's probably why England play some of the most boring Rugby on the Planet.
@@thedappercook yes, diving hasn't crept its way into footy... fool
@@madlad8629 10000000% agree. Madness isn't it.
Aaaand at the end to sum it up
Gus: heermmm ?? 🤷♂️😂
Have the bunker be consistently thorough for all try approvals from the kick off until the final whistle no matter what the score is and that would be a start.
Gus showed his arrogance when Abdo spoke metaphysically 😑
Abdo came across really well here. He is a very good administrator
He was horrendous and simply danced around the issue without addressing it. Classic politician
Both have good points, but he is right everyone just focuses on the negative things and it get blown out of proportion
What was all the talk about after SOO3?
It was the aggressive tackling and the biff between Gagi n Burton. Rated one of the best origins ever.
It's what both players and fans want.
Rugby league is a contact sport. People watch it for that reason. I don't see touch footy bringing in the $.
Blatant violence should be dealt with not accidental. As Cam Smith said the players understand the risk and is one of the reasons they play it. They love the aggression.
It’s all well and good to say the players accept the risk but in 10 years time it’ll be the same players who take the NRL to court for being complacent. We see the same thing happen in the NFL and now rugby union with players suing because they’re unable to remember their children’s names.
@@ganilau4214 So why play the game if you already know the risk? To most people it's because they love the game and are prepared to take the risk.
One of my best mates was going to be one of the greats until he received 8 concussions in 1 season. He summed up the risk and retired at 20.
Are the players educated by the NRL of the risks to their future health? Surely they must be.
Any thing we do in life involves risk. Do we stop living just in case we get hurt?
It sounds like a lawyer problem that they need fix in regards to being sued.
Maybe I'm being naive here but surely a contract stating that any injuries now and in the future are at your own risk including mental issues.
@@wallyelephant6732 it’s hard to take the player’s consent when they’re motivated by a hefty salary. That’s why the governing body is put in charge in the first place. Even if players accept the risk, the NRL has a duty of care not only to the current NRL players but the grassroots as well. If that was the case what would stop the NRL from forcing players to decide between signing or forfeiting their contracts. We would end up in a game where players eventually had little to no say on their safety.
@@ganilau4214 I understand that players safety is important but why at the same time do they unofficially promote the aggression and biff in the game.
For example Gagai n Burton received a very small fine for punches that have killed people in pub fights yet in the same breath they give a guy 2 weeks for accidentally hitting the head of an opponent. (Finucane on Crichton).
What should happen with the game is developing it to where the law fits the game in duty of care. At the moment it doesn't seem that way.
The NRL are afraid to lose their crowd support but at the same time don't want law suits but in reality they should reach common ground with safety rules first. Change the rules of the game then promote that product. It's seems to me they are too scared to try that.
It's simple, BRING BACK THE BIFF!! Nothing beats the on field judiciary. All incidents rectified immediately and play resumes.
He is trying to remove head injuries from the game to stop the NRL from being sued and bankrupting the game.
Andrew is a sports genius and we are lucky to have him. Player safety should be of paramount importance in all sports. Andrew is on another level and understands what they others can't comprehend.
Can we stop crying like babies cause a NSW team that's doing ok got a suspension. The wild swinging arm revealed intent. As such he got banned. Just because he clumsily headbutted the guy doesn't make it an innocent act. Get a gun out and shoot at someone, miss but accidentally stab them in the act of doing so and try to explain to the cops you had no intent it was an accident. Grow up pundits. You argue for consistency then you constantly argue for inconsistent treatment of your favourites or whoever you tipped in that match
Finucane was out of control. He had no idea where he was going to make contact with Crighton.
Imagine if I was the person in charge of looking after aviation and never had the job of being a pilot.
That’s how it is in the nrl. You have people in charge who has never played the game or even touched a footy.
It’s not up to the players to determine the rules? They’re the ones playing the game. They’re the ones taking the risks. It should be up to them to decide on these matters.
IMO, if it was up to the players you would probably have a better game all around, because they know what it’s like to play in the professional realm.
@John Thomas also similar to what’s happening in rugby union, if there’s evidence that the NRL removed/softened rules that protected players it could be argued that they knowingly put the players at increased risk.
Bloke did well under pressure👏🏽
All contact sports are having to take precautions to protect players well-being now and their futures. Union has gone extremely cautious, AFL dragging their feet but NRL seems to have a good balance with physicality and protection. Inconsistency gives the panels something to debate and moan about.
Abdo was so right about how all the media side just focus on the negative, just watching the games there is always whinging about every lil thing that these so commentators don’t agree with. If all they do is complain about the game, that’s all fans will take out of it
You guys are hypocrites, Fanecans tackle was completely reckless , head injuries happen when players act this way, you all talk about protecting players welfare but you're happy to see Kamakazi play when it suits you.
Those fake awkward laughs are priceless lol
You can compare a origin game to a club game how many penalties and 6 to go’s are given to a club team that is favoured by the refs it’s easy to decide who makes the top 8 with rules like that just keep giving the team that is favoured to win six to go the defending team runs out of gas.
Well said by Abdo. The old farts are looking very dated in their opinions and are holding the game back from growing. Gus being sushed at the end says it all.
You are just a keyboard worrior whose similar to Abdo cause you both have never played league in your life to understand what Gus and Smith are talking about. Your mentality and understanding of the game is going to turn rugby league into a netball competition.
Bruh its people like you that have got actual nrl players milking penalties now in almost every fricken tackle. Players dont just play now, they look for those penalties to get ahead instead of actually just fricken playing footy. Frustrates the ish out of me!
Solution!!
Just play touch football now..
And rugby league will be a memory.
Yeah thanks andrew!!!
Welcome to the new age of , lets all be soft
Yes, let’s alienate our traditional fan base to appease people who will never follow rugby league or allow their kids play it. That should to lead to growth.
OP you're right. Finucane was out of control. He had no idea where he was going to make contact with Crighton. All the moaning about being soft is from morons who can't tell the difference between a big hit and a shot to the head.
So they don't even focus on Dale finucan head clash. They mention it and then let him off
Everyone clearly just wants some consistency and to know where the line is. Abdo did admit that there is inconsistency but failed to explain the way forward to gain consistency in his view. There is no doubt that the game has changed to make player safety a higher priority. However, taking the physicality out of the game by penalising players for aggressively defending with acceptable technique and intent, which may lead to accidental injury, and which in itself represents an acceptable risk of the game itself creates doubt and confusion.
The Panthers were crap when Gus was there and as soon as they gave him the boot the club turned it around. The problem with Gus is he micromanages every club he's at and it never turns out well (ask Trent Barrett) so the last thing he should be doing is run anything within the NRL, heck he shouldn't even be allowed to run a chook raffle.
spot. on.
Gee that's a dumb comment.
@TheShepdawg9 How are the Dogs going? I rest my case 🤣
@mreel3488 that's an even stupider comment. Stop digging holes for yourself. Gus was never employed within a club to fix an issue immediately. He's employed to create long-term positive changes through pathway programs. That's why Penrith began tearing up the nrl in 2019, a few years after he was employed, and that's why the bulldogs will be better in a few years. I'm not sure why you ever thought that he was meant to fix issues immediately. 🤣
Seems like the match review guy isn’t really in touch with the game and it just feels like he’s putting on an inconsistent front because he can’t admit that he’s gotten it wrong. He’s not fit for the job.
Of course players are willing to take risks, but you have to protect them from themselves
I was a rugby league tragic went to games watched most games on tv as well, with the rule changes ,mrc,bunker,obstruction, etc i now don't even watch it on tv let alone go to a game. the new administrators have destroyed the game
God. Cameron Smith was such a grub.
So Gus wants to see more people get injured and be out for whole seasons or several weeks rather than ensuring a safe playing field where players can play week in week out? No wonder no one takes this bloke seriously anymore. He's literally saying to make footy harder like it was 20 years ago when that would mean more concussions, more broken bones, more head knocks... This guys a lunatic!
I agree with Gus
As a fan you want toughness
No way was fanucane a illegal tackle
If they want touch footy say do
Abdo sounds out of touch with the reality of the game.
Its wrong to dismiss Gus & Cam (two intelligent blokes) who represent the common sense of the players and coaches.
Abdo is an accountant, what do you expect haha
Nrl has to come up with digital ruling like soccer. Too many forward passes that goes unnoticed. The electronic line must be ruled like soccer to come with accurate ruling by officials.
No mention of Dirty Storm player Nelson tackle. Hypocrites.
mate if you think the NRL is inconsistent you should see union, guys getting red carded for defending and getting head butted in the process
Listening to Patten waffle through the Asofa Solomona ruling highlighted everything that is wrong with the match review panel. Total lack of common sense
Why is it nearly always the away team that has players sent to the bin?
never heard of this Adbo until today, what an absolute dope! is he a politician or NRL CEO??
I'm sorry cam. Are swinging arms OK now?
As knowledgeable Gus is, he still likes to sit behind a media desk and run his opinions across the set without repercussion.
With his standing in the game, and where the game is at, why doesn’t he put his money where his mouth is and actually go work for the nrl to fix what he sees as broken 🤷♂️
That would be a disaster. The best thing he could do is go away
@@owenrees7544 exactly
Wouldn't suit Gus.
Can't be a whinger when you're the one making the decisions.
It’s called Duty of Care Cameron….. obviously he’s not employed anyone of late.
As soon as this guy opened his mouth BS just flows
Gus is always right,just ask gus
First time seeing this often mentioned tackle from all the talking on radio programs, it’s reckless and the injury must be taken into concern, last time I looked, the ear is located on the head, slightly back and lower than the temple, 2weeks fair ,could of gone 3. Gus looks a bit goof headed here,
Abdo is wrong when he says it's not up to the players.
Cam was right they know what risks are involved.
League matches are at its best in origin cause players are aggressive towards eachother. The gagai and Burton fight proves that.
Can we discuss getting rid of sponsorships from gambling companies sponsoring professional football teams?? It's kind of a conflict of interest for a gambling company to sponsor them imo
Gus talking about it as if they're just playing for fun and not in a proper organised competition. Of course you can still go hard, but the players are also at work. So there must be a level of safety at their workplace, or else why are they there? Yes they get payed well, so they should expect reasonable protection while staying inside the rules of the game.
I didn't agree with that Cronulla tackle decision though.
how do? i'ld really like the powers that be to defer cleary's suspension giving at least 1 week served into the finals, to be fair. taztez
video ref should have one nrl retired or just a player beside him when there's a video refing is done just a thought.
Is the game growing?
everyone forget the quinnsie (kylie felt) in the origin knee to'o (twosie) ;) in the head (intentially)
I think the NRL Judiciary needs a Professional Mixed Martial Artist on the table when judging if a takle is determined unlawful to NRL rules . They would have better understanding then a pen pusher !!!
It’s pretty simple. Don’t go for the head and play on.
Cameron would be perfect for MRC
Perfect if you never want one of his Melbourne mates suspended.
@@canwelook I mean, he called for a suspension for NAS (twice), Brandon Smith and Josh king on his pod and 3 instances that he said should receive suspension didn't.
He didnt mention it also comes down to which club the NRL doesnt like, plus who pays money to get their Eoosters players off. And also the people that run the game SPORTSBET
No idea. The end.
It’s this kind of admin sooky lala that’s killing the game!!! Put in players contracts that they can’t sue for injury and are playing at own risk. Pretty simple
Weathet you like him or not, Cameron Smith hit the nail on the head and its still a concern in 2023.
When I was growing up my mates and I would always talk about the big hits and the fights that broke out over the weekend. I don't particularly care about "miraculous" wing tries that always need to be looked at by big brother to determine whether there's a Higgs boson between the grass and the players body, that isn't interesting to me.
Player safety in full contact sports should be very simple, if you don't want serious injuries and life affecting ailments after retirement I suggest you play a different game.
I prefer watching my local competition over the NRL, less stress and strain on all involved.
There shouldn't be an MRC, deal with it on the field and play on
Missed a few good to c gus clashin with someone. What he does. But glad he does sometimes cos lots true.
This seems simple as of this tackle.
Don't lead with your head and make contact with the other player's head causing an injury to that person head.
Guilty!!!
There should be penalties for obvious and deliberate milking, bring back integrity and honest intentions. It's not a good look and it taints the intended player.
This Andrew guy sounds like a politician,
The Finucane call was correct - he ran in recklessly and hurt the player.
Unintentional contact to the head should just be a regular penalty and carry on. I remember you had to coat-hanger a player to get the bin, now even an accident can get you sent off.
@@followthesapper324 There's been unintentional head clashes almost every game for years, and no send-offs. But in this case Finucane was out of control. Completely different. He should've gotten four weeks, not two.
What if Crighton Waa wearing headgear and didn't get injured as bad, no difference?! I doubt it.
Do what rugby did, any contact with the head is a send off
I actually agree with abdo
Change the mrc to highly trained rugby league players that aren’t talked down by lawyers or whatever else. Review all the rules and have them set in stone to the ref so they can’t #### it up Every game and possibly get a defining key moment in the game wrong.
Abdo tried to swerve away from Gus’s questions but they both have valid reasons. The game needs to change to where they want it and keep it at that.
The players understand the risk. Just let ‘em go at it
If people have been watching league for a 100 years I'd say they were mostly happy with the game was played and run, so why the constant tinkering by administrators? They dont play the game, the players do and this smacks of administrators making changes for changes sake just to justify their jobs. There were already rules, no spear tackles, no head highs, no feet first tackles (yes I've seen these) etc. The angling towards a litigation proof game is quite obvious to me and it's not why we all played.
1 year all players need to wear headgear, that would decrease concussions, no harm in trying
Studies have shown mouthguards provide more protection from concussion than headgear
When are the Saffas gonna get in on rugby league bru
I agree with gus. what do you want the game to look like. they are highly trained/paid athletes. you cant just judge things on a case by case basis and have no plan for the total outcomes of these decisions.
3:57 not the blues
Charge people for diving for penalty's , its wrecking the game & needs to be pulled up . Munster one of the best for doing it .
The main outcome should be to protect the head of players, this includes the neck. Head gear should be compulsory. Studies have proved that repeated head injuries has led to many suicides but no one is talking about this!
Good idea, I reckon they should make a rule saying no head high tackles too...oh wait
Cancelled my season membership after 18 years. The refereeing and judicial system is just too inconsistent with too many howlers each week. Worst adjudicated sport in the world.
Abdo sounded really virtuous and has a broad and diverse selection of buzz words, I have a question for Andrew Abdo, why did the NRL abandon the Northern Territory Aborigines, in their greatest hour of need?
That’s AFL territory
To many cooks spoil the Broth... That's Exactly what's happening in the NRL at the moment, everyone picking at the very bones of how football is played. ITS structure everyone wants to Change The rules all the time. And it's now Affecting the game LEAVE THE BLOODY GAME AND RULES A LOAN IT'S TO much interference. IT'S ruining it they keep Chipping away at the game
Isn’t gus too busy running the panthers? Ohhh that’s right, they sacked him.
if you want to ref a game be a ref not a bunker . ABDO want's it to be OZ TAG .
Abdo, V'landys and the NRL abandoned the people of the Northern Territory, in their greatest hour of need! But Abdo will have a a flashy indigenous jersy for the players to wear. 🤣
Andrew Abdo, South Africa is calling you home.