Everything You Think Know About Guitar Paint... Is Wrong
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2018
- Okay, that's, obviously, an overstatement but now that I have your attention... Matt hates time traveling for Daylight Savings so much that Chris had to make this video. Good thing too since he knows the most about the topic at hand.
In this video Chris walks you through wet-sanding and buffing process. Before y’all ask… we stopped using lacquer a few years ago and, for right now anyway, we use PPG brand paint exclusively.
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Original score: Electric Boogie & The Born Readies
Artwork: Paul Shellooe - Hudba
One of my fav CZcams channels at the moment.
Y'all are doing a great job!
Love the vibe, love the positivity, love the no-nonsense approach.
Together with Crimson Guitars the best channel for guitar knowledge and a good time!
Thanks so much Matthijs
After going through so many steps over the past year, including building a buffing machine almost exactly like that... I'm going to have to start over. Your methods are far less complicated, and your finish is superior. Great video.
Chris, I enjoy the fact that you do this finish job basically as I do. I'm a novice, although I've built my own since age 13. Your techniques have enlightened me. I can't afford that buffer. I couldn't afford a guitar when I was a kid 45 yrs ago, so I would find a yard sale, a neck, etc. Thanks for your video here, and other places I've seen you. Great Job there!!!
Randy
This is the best guitar buffing video on CZcams. Also, I like how you guys were working out of a garage before you got your shop.
Glad you enjoyed it Brad, I miss my home shop sometimes
Most informative video I've seen on the final touches. Nicely done, Chris.
Thanks so much Sergio
Awesome and informative! Was waiting for the next Q&A livestream to ask how you achieved those mirror finishes, but don't need to now! Thanks again! Oh yeah, as a side note, Chris you look much better with longer hair! LOL!!
Very cool Chris!
Good stuff Chris! Thanks!
Thanks for watching Jim, glad you enjoyed the video
Brilliant video Chris 👍
Thanks 👍
Your fabric finishes are always cool, but that froot loop pattern is extra funky. The binding and back color fit very well too. Kudos.
Thanks for watching Ola, this one turned out so quirky and fun I had to keep it for myself. Mrs. Texas Toast picked that fabric and nobody liked it... until it went on a guitar. It got really cool really fast.
Great! Thank you 👍
Great video as usual. Where did you get the buffing wheel parts?
Epic mic drop at the end! Made me smile great job
Thanks my friend
Texas Toast Guitars when you said “buffing paint” you were referring to the clear coat over the paint...right? You weren’t actually buffing the paint..? Do you use poly urethane clear over your paint? Or polyester or what? Poly urethane to me seems a bit soft. Even after a month or so.
I’ve been recently using the ca glue as a finish... and it’s the absolute best I’ve found so far.
Great video! Super helpful!
Thanks for watching uglybeat1, glad you enjoyed the video
Great video Chris thanks for the tips. I’d like to be able to justify an industry standard buffer so I’m stuck with using elbow grease. I’m using Micro Mesh 1500 up to 12000 and then Meguiar’s Ultimate to finish.
Thanks for watching Andrew, if you are ever ready for a buffer it won't let you down
Cool video, pretty close to how I finish myself. Its almost exactly what I do. Great job
Nice work!
nice. learning a lot from u guys
Glad to hear you are enjoying the videos my friend
Thank you very much Chris
Thanks for watching my friend
The Show Car Glaze is great for black kitchen appliances and the old black glass cook top after cleaning.
Cool man, thanks for watching
Love the video. Well done. The tip on the last stage with the Maguires 'banana cream' is useful, I'll definitely try it out. May I pass on a tip? I have a similar buffing setup (on an OLD Italian machine I tweaked) but I use a softer, looser leaf, wheel for the fine compound. It looks like you have the same type of wheels? (I stand corrected otherwise).
Yes, we have two different wheels I can't recall but the fine compound seems softer
Would be nice to see that guitar finished/fully assembled. Interesting front design.
Hi John,
I still have that bass and rock it in my band Hawk Attack
If you ever attempted to throw your guitar around your back and come into a killer solo , but instead knocked your drummer out cold... go ahead and hit the subscribe button
Oh that is a good one too. We started doing these and never have one ready when it is time to make a video.
@@TexasToastGuitars A shortage of drummers?
I wish...
Lmao! What if you just broke some shit in the living room? Lol
What if you sent grandmas dentures flying into her china cabinet? Still rockstar enough to click like? Lol
Great video, I'm building an S type currently which I'll try out your method on.
Not sure how to approach wet sanding the radiused edges maybe I'll hand sand them with 3000 grit so I don't cut streight through the gloss coat. Of course I went and bought Nitro rattle cans before watching this video but hey I like playing on hard mode 🤪
Sounds like a good plan
Hi Chris, I use house of kolor on all my guitars, and have found that the big buffer set up has burnt my finishes to many times, so I now use the german made flex xc 3401 buffer, which is not cheap about 400.00 and another 200.00 for the compounds and wheels, but that being said, I never burn thru a finish and it never gets hot,and it is really fast,with a excellent clearcoat, but hey thats what I do, keep up the great work TTG.
Thanks for watching John, that sounds like a pretty slick set-up I'll check it out. House of Kolor makes some awesome stuff... we use the PPG paints because there is a dealer a few blocks from us, it is sure handy.
That's a cool setup! We stepped down the speed of the buffer above, it used to be a lot faster, and less controllable. Once we slowed it down, the amount of heat went down, and burn thru got fewer. technique helped too. I do think some heat is a good thing, but too much is really bad. Now, it gets warm, not hot. I'd like to get a small hand held buffer for headstocks and such. Thanks for watching!
You need to keep the speed slow and the pressure high. You're trying to cut when you're polishing and generating heat is the enemy of that. Use enough product, in a small-enough space, that you're not generating dust (a sign of heat) and make sure you work your product long enough - if you're using M105 with a yellow foam pad (I use to remove P1500) then that product that comes out of the bottle white should be clear and nearly like water by the time you're wiping it off.
Disclaimer: You'll always generate some warmth when you polish since friction is part of the abrasion game, but controlling this is achieved by developing your skills in using enough product and keeping your work space appropriately-sized for the conditions.
Thanks Chris.
You are welcome John
Question about the wax at the end of the process. How does it make the tonight feel? I ask because I've read of players using the car waxes, not wood or stock wax, on their painted necks to keep them smooth. Never gave it much thought, but I'm wondering now since I strongly prefer the look of a gloss painted neck, but prefer the feel of a matte or "natural" finished neck. Hoping the wax could get closer to that.
Hello, great video again!! I'm doing my first DIY project putting a guitar together in the TTG spirit and i'm wondering what is the simplest finish i can put in a guitar. I don't really need colour or anything and do not have a spray gun. I was thinking about shellac or something like that since i don't mind the elbow grease and seems to allow simple sealer and nice kinda vintage tint finish to the wood.
Love to hear your thoughts and keep the videos coming!!
Hi Manuel, thanks for watching my friend.
When I started building guitars we did a lot of oil finishes. When I started Texas Toast Guitars I used the Sam Maloof oil & wax. If people would buy them, which they didn't, I would still be using it today.
www.amazon.com/Sam-Maloof-Oil-Finish-Quart/dp/B001DSY6UI
That Guitar looks Grrreat !! The Material idea... really somethin ! :)
Thanks for watching Richard, we really dig them and usually have quite a few going here in the workshop
Thanks guys for telling us what paints etc you use. I just checked and even here in Germany, not too too far away, ok maybe 1 hour away by autobahn, there is a PPG store so I can get the same stuff you guys use. I am so damn sick and tired of Nitrocellulose.... Bob in Germany
You are welcome Bob, we labored with the old school paints for a long time and when we switched to the modern stuff it changed everything for the better.
Do you bag those buffing wheels when not in use or is sawdust not a problem since it's obviously fine stuff anyway? Great vids guys. Helpful stuff always.
Hi Kenneth, we do indeed wrap up the buffing wheels
Hey man where did you get 800 grit sanding pads at because I’ve never seen them before so help a guitar builder out a bit (lot) lol ???
Matt & Chris You Rule****
That's a really cool looking body. Love the circle pattern, too.
I think so too!
Really? You just made buffing a guitar and using a wheel interesting? And fun? I have over 70 instructors that are going to watch this now. This demonstrates on so many levels that 1. Loving what you do 2. Mastering the basics and 3. Always being willing to learn yourself makes others want to learn as well. Well done Toasties!
Hi Toney, thanks for watching, I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the videos brotherman. 70 Instructors sounds like a big staff, where are y'all
Shiny Shiny lovely stuff
Thanks for watching brotherman
How do you prep your gtr. body for painting? And what is the best base coat for the raw wood?
We sand to 220. The best base coat I have found is Simtec EZ Sanding Sealer. Just tell them you want the stuff Texas Toast uses and they will know
Do you know how to reshine you gold hardware ,pickups and machine heads etc
Yes, there are no buffing videos, probably because you have to experince buffing first hand. This was how it was when i buffed matal pans at a job i had, one job had they would say don't over heat the whatever your buffing it will damage it not just scatch it.
Great video, I finally broke down and bought the Stewmac buffer, what speed do you guys run your buffer at? I realize you can't give me a definitive number but belt length and pulley size or motor size would be cool. The Stewmac buffer isn't crazy fast but I'm getting ready to buff 3 guitars with nitro (yuck) and I don't want to burn through the finish. Thanks.
I think we figured ours to run at just over 1000
We had it way too fast on our original buffer set up and the wheels were so course they would burn through and grab stuff all the time.
Whoaaa, what finish is that? Verrry nice
That is one of our fabric tops
I use 400 on the orbital then 800 buff out the 800 on medium wheel then I move to the fine wheel sometimes I’ll buff with 1200 depends on how dark the paint is
Cool dude
Matt - Do you use any kind of air dryer system for your compressed air? Looking into it it seems to be pretty important, also very pricey depending on the solution. What so you think of desiccant filters? Some say they break down and shit gets into the paint. I have the little inline dryers that connect at the gun but don't know if that alone will cut it with auto paint. Thanks in advance Matt - Dan
Hi Dan, I do not have used an air dryer for a while now. We had a few at my old job for the control air compressors that ran 24/7.
I don't think they are entirely necessary in the climate we live in. YMMV
@@TexasToastGuitars I'm not so lucky living in the Houston area, it's like living in a rain forest here. But I do thank you Matt for your time.
What do u think about sherwin Williams acrylic paints on guitars
We do a lot of pinstripe work on guitars and that is usually an acrylic, sometimes it reacts to the clear.
Other than that I have no experience. We have used some Sherwin Williams automotive paints before, they seem pretty good
One trick you may not have heard of is adding a little detergent to the water you're using during the sanding process. This helps keep the sandpaper from getting clogged and sort of lubricates the whole process.
I have used that one before, I don't know if Chris does or not
Correct!
Thanks so much Simon, we are going to keep rockin' & rollin'
What's the big difference between buffing and polishing? i don't have a buffing wheel, so i sanded down to 2000 and polished manually. The finish looks good, but will it stay that way?
I don't know if there is a difference. For our purpose the words might be interchangeable, though someone will probably correct me.
Someone talking about metal on the internet had this to say... "Similar to buffing, polishing also changes the surface of metal material. The difference may be that the polishing process is often a preparation for the buffing process. Polishing may involve removing oxidation and improving the quality of the metal material by adding protection or removing fading, water spots, sun spots or cloudiness."
I wouldn't worry too much about nomenclature as long as you like your guitar
@@TexasToastGuitars ok thanks, well i can see myself in my guitar so i guess it's fine :P
Come for the polished guitar finish -- stay for the banana aroma -- Texas Toast Guitars THAT is your new logo. You're welcome. Completely free to use. :)
Deal!
No ear protection with the orbiter? Brave man.
We had protection... there is a RD modified AKM in the shop
Wait are you in San Antonio? Is that the Flipside music store from the south side?
We are in Avada Colorado
Arvada? I spent a month there one weekend.. but man she was a GOOD TIME lol
I wish we had a dozen women like that in Arvada... right now we have a hundred.
PRO-TIP: Start (or stop) sander above the guitar to avoid gouges in finish. Guess he didn't know that.
Who didn't
nice.
Thanks my friend
Where are you guys located in Texas
So far north its actually Colorado. Check us out on the website www.texastoastguitars.com
Rather than the glaze then the wax, try Glare's Glassplexin product. It basically does the same job, but in one liquid. Also smells of vanilla rather than bananas which I prefer ;-)
Me too
what product you guys use for clear coat? and how long it dries?
Thanks for watching Mateusz, we use PPG Production Clear, it depends on what hardener you use. We generally let it sit for a week before wet sanding and buffing. Consult with the rep in your area and, of course, follow directions.
Thank you for answer is this polyurethane or polyester?
Well, the PPG system is urethane based. but you would be wise to not confuse professional grade paints with the stuff you can buy at the home center in a rattle can.
Sure do. I use industrial Milesi products i was just curious if this was poly or pu. Thanks. Great channel guyz.
So, I've followed the instructions and waxed a whole bunch of guitars, but I'm still getting hit in the face. Can't seem to get the timing down
Hit in the face?
I bought the meguiars at harbor freight.
It's good stuff
I don't hate this channel, keep up the good work men and missus's. 😀
Thanks for not hating us Mark
@@TexasToastGuitars ❤️
lol i love your hate on nitro😂 (itll scratch when you breath on it)
We aren't down with lacquer
Matt . Iwas lookng at all the steps your going thru with sanding polishing 1machne would eliminate all the sanding steps you can cut the surface as well as the binding process at once as well as carve top and belly cuts with a Clarke machine takes up about 32inches of floor space . J
Is that a CNC machine... those aren't sexy
Texas Toast Guitars no we used for floor grinding and sanding polishing . Retooled it for table top and slide tray you don't even have to remove the head to change from sanding to polishing .2sheets of paper and 1polishing pad should last 2years or better . Liquid ebony for final finish . Or trewax paste use very little . Or 1cup or kerosene to 5gallons of water . The kerosene will oil the wood the water cools it down .
Wait... that's a hardwood floor sander. You converted it to wet sand and polish clear coat? Sounds like you might be jiving me
Texas Toast Guitars wet coat ? You lost me their . You could use the head as a wet coat system . Remember heat is the curing system for polish . Overheating will burn the finish . And some folks like a natural finish called burning it's done with oil and heat as a sealer not Danish oil system .
Yeah, you totally lost me I need to see pictures
Guess i have to subscribe.
You get to
Have you guys ever made a guitar wrapped in leather. With the epoxy glaze on it
We have not sounds cool though
@@TexasToastGuitars would the glaze ruin the leather. I wonder because of the heat
Well i didnt ha ,,, oooh wait u said accidently huh ? Ill sub anyway.
I hope you use safety equipment now. Shields, _eye protection_ etc...
They do have O.S.H.A. in CO. don't they???
(nice finish)
July-20-2020
@@TexasToastGuitars I know it's an older video. That's why I said "I hope you use safety equipment _now_ "...which I do. But watching that video, as good as it was, made me cringe. I know the equipment that you use and I'm certain that you're aware that there are no industrial accidents, just negligence.
Be safe. Stay safe.
And that way we can enjoy more videos and gear for a long time to come.
I'm a retired auto body repairman.. Please teach me something Chris.. Please! I asked Nice & have a keg of Coors Lite on tap.
Tell us about that finish, My Wife likes the look.. How was it achieved? Teach Me Master.. HaHa!! NICE!! Gary/Hk
Well, when do we get the beer?
Thanks for watching Gary, you have probably forgotten more about painting in the last 10 minutes than we will ever know. That is one of the fabric tops, Matt played it that night... the ladies love it.
Thanks man!! I've seen your fabric top guitar making before.. Just glued on with titebond, bound & sealed..
Looks KILLER!! Now I gotta go to the fabric shop & buy some bolts of a cool pattern..
Great vid!
What's with the missleading titles??????
Glad you enjoyed the video, what is so misleading about the title?
"Everything you think you know about paint...your wrong" followed by a wet sand and buff video. Lol whatever.
I've moved to the 3m buffing compounds on Melobars and really like it, expensive but I think you'd like it
Oh cool, I'd like to try it. Do you have a link?
@@TexasToastGuitars I'll jump over to your texastoastmatt gmail and send you a photo of the product and what it looks like on a finished Melobar
Is that a Soul bass body?
it is indeed
get an adjustable rpm sander or an air da sander bud been cutting and polishing /painting cars for 35 years save some time and headaches
Good recommendations
@@TexasToastGuitars if you want to get real fussy watched an old timer polish aluminum with cigar ashes lol but it's flawless!lol
Name it Froot Loops
We went with Two Can Samantha already... but thanks for playing
where is the beard guy?
Billy Gibbons or Dusty Hill?
Frank?
Please when doing a guitar finish video focus the camera more on the guitar during the process and less on the person. No insult you can get some camera time at the end of the video. :>)
Yeah, I never went to film school
I cringed when you said 400 grit to sand out the boogers, way to coarse. Use the 800 or 1000 grit for that. Also if I weren't sitting down I would have fallen over when you pulled out the orbital sander. If you get one speck of dirt under the pad you can't hear or feel it and will scratch the hell out of the finish. A warning to your benefit, do all sanding by hand. The finer grits you use the easier it will buff up. Step 1 use 1000 grit step 2 2000 grit and if you want you can even use 3000 or 4000 grit. Any store that sells automotive paint products will have it along with any thing else you may need. By the way I've been painting and polishing cars and anything else you can put pain on for 30 years.
When you’re cooking with garlic, people always tell you how great it smells, but if you had a garlic candle, people would find that weird and offensive.
@@TexasToastGuitars I'm not trying to be a jerk. I was just trying to give you a bit of advice to make your life easier. The clears of today are much harder than they were years ago. I don't know how long you let the clear sit to dry, but the longer you let it sit the harder it gets. Harder to sand harder to buff.
400 on the orbit goes way faster ( say your scared it’s okay) LOL
Multiple choice responses...
a. We were all out of 400 grit wet sanding disks
b. The Iwata gun sprays so nice 400 grit is a waste of time.
c. 400 is much too course because we are not interested in super thick paint jobs... like you
d. we are terrified
Would this be Fuddism?
Probably hahaha
Ok ?? Watch the whole video next time dummy ha ha thanks very helpful
hahaha I alwasy try to leave information in the description too, I often forget but I try.
I guess I have to unsub now lol
Well, that's a bummer