Sports Card Grading 101: Learn About PSA, BGS, BVG, BCCG, SGC & more
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Understanding grading is extremely important to successfully investing in sports cards. But, there's a lot to it! In this episode I team up with Joe Davis from GotBaseballCards.com to talk through everything you need to know about grading: what graders look for, the best ways to submit, the differences between PSA, BGS, BVG, BCCG, SGC, and more. .
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When I saw this was an hour long discussion I thought no way does this need to be an hour and after watching the whole thing I could watch hours more! So much information given, thank you!
Loved the interview. Joe had a lot of great information. I do have one piece of advice. I noticed you like to talk a lot. But when you're interviewing somebody you should let them do most of the talking. A lot of the times Joe would be answering a question and you would just cut him off and talk over him.
Another great person to interview Geoff. Just one small thing though mate... when you interview people can you please let them speak more?! If you value their opinion enough to invite them on the show, then let them share it! Your best interview so far in this regard was the soccer one... because you were asking questions and learning from your guest just as we were. You let them speak and share their insights a lot better than other interviews.
I hope this is seen as "constructive criticism," and not as trolling. You have an awesome channel and a lot of knowledge. Keep it up!
I appreciate all feedback - thanks for watching!
People who listen to feedback will pull ahead of their competition. Also means listeners care when they give feedback.
@@SportsCardInvestor Your response here is not indicative of someone who genuinely appreciates " *all* feedback " .
I like the idea of grading services but few things concern me.
1. Say I send in a card in a bulk submission but 5 other people send in the same card, how do they know which one is mine if they get similar grades?
2. Say I send in a card that's possible high 9 low 10.. how do I know you won't swap out that card with one of your own that gets a lower grade but still very comparable and I wouldn't the difference and you kept the higher graded card?
Just some things I think about.
Didn’t really address SGC at all. I was really interested in your opinion because I made a decision to get a bunch graded by SGC once all of the negative publicity with PSA here recently
SGC is just as bad. Blowout forums lay it all out. Just search.
20:00 mark says SGC is a well respected company or of the sort
Thank you for all your videos to help the new sports card investors. It’s been really helpful for me. I did learn a lot just by watching your video. And I m still learning. 🙏thank you
wow! anyone starting out in card collecting or wanting to get back in.. this channel is a must ! thanks for keeping an ad free! even though I watch a commercial every 15 minutes to get this content
That's means it's not ad-free, lmao.
Great video, very knowledgeable and interesting takes on grading, used psa for a while, never been a fan of bgs, but always good to see both points of view, I plan on using sgc for some more of my pc stuff, just for cost and turnaround time, but will always stick to psa for investment type things and generally for my pc, I have also had luck snapping cards out and resubbing and the grades have gone up in some cases, barely ever send the card still in the slab
The knowledge is always good. Thanks for the video.
Excellent video! Thank you so much for the insight and guidance.
Great episode! Very helpful. Thank you for making the hobby fun!
Great content, thank you. I’d suggest letting guest talk more. You can make a video on same topic with your thoughts. When you have a guest, they should talk more than you, even though your input was valuable as well. Would just be optimal in a separate video and better for your channel as well. Just my .02. Overall, please keep it up I’m learning a lot and there isn’t much good content in this space 👊🏻
I saw that article. I made great money at shows with low dollar cards at shows in my teens in the 90's.
Me as well but the 80’s and 90’s.
I appreciate the enthusiasm you bring to your channel. I have collected cards for 25 years , every year of that 25 year run for that matter, and I’ll tell you the one biggest mistake you keep making is telling people how to invest in individual cards. Going into specifics on individual cards with subsequent short term market value data is extremely dangerous and stupid. There are young kids watching your channel (and many others like yours) that are being made to think buying Sports Cards is about MAKING MONEY. You and I both know long term, there’s no money in almost all individual cards if it’s not in a sealed hobby box. So what happens, is all these young kids watching you talk about profit and card value from a business perspective, are going to be very discouraged and disappointed in a few years or maybe less when they start having difficulty selling their purchases. Investment in Sports Cards, if you’re a true collector, isn’t meant to be sold short term, they’re meant to be traded (if at all) if someone else has a card you want for a specific reason (not money related). Teach them about the sport, the players, the statistics, and you will win here. Talk about last nights game. Talk about VORP. Talk about draft picks in 2021. But don’t talk about cards as an investment. It’s just wrong!!!
congrats- great interview! I am an experienced long time collector, and was glad to see & hear a good quality discussion! Not to long, no nonsense, only facts & experiences! I recommend that to people to follow!
Thank you, learnt lots watching this.
Great Video, actually learned a few things and picked up some good tips! Thank you
Another great episode Geoff!
The rule is SCG on t206 area to 50s PSA from 60s to 90s and more Modern cards are Beckett because a Beckett 10 prestine is worth a ton of money. Great video my friend.
Great info as always!
Thank you! I finally understand the BCCG grades!!!
As far as value bccg 10 is equivalent to a raw near mint card
I wouldn't touch anything below a bccg 10... personally maybe you have a different opinion
@@patricklawton8135 Now...I won't put any money into BCCG and would consider them raw cards in value. Was just nice to understand how they were scaling things compared to the main grading options. I link people to this video all the time when new to the grading world...really helped me when I started shopping graded stuff :)
Thanks for the shout out. Maybe I can do a part 2 to that article at some point whenever I have the time.
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Another great video. Keep it up.
Excellent information! Thank you.
This is the exact episode I was waiting for! I’m about to send in my first batch of cards to grade. Thanks!
Luke F73 ... How much they charge per card? & Good Luck 🍀
@@djquiksilva Thanks! It seems like its around $20 per card and a 4-6 month timeline which doesn't seem great. Might go with the Canadian company MNT instead.
@@HawksNHabsPC dont use MNT unless its just for PC, for any resale value use SGC/PSA/BGS only
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I actually did an extensive research and analysis to find out how the multiplier (or how much more) is a PSA 10 relative to a BGS 9.5 or a BGS 10 Black relative to a BGS 10 Pristine. I have all the multiplier correlations from PSA 8, 9 & 10 and BGS 9, 9.5, 10 & 10 Black.
I wish there is some way or somewhere I can publish a paper for all to see.
Could it be one of the monthly article submissions?
OK and how it looks in your opinion, if anybody can come and his cards can get good or very good grades, or they prefere big sellers?
Google drive document. Share here. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers
How you just gunna say that and do nothing about it?
Love this video very very informative helpful and easy way to learn and understand card grading
Thanks for the shout out on the Jordan grading. This is a very informative video. Worth the watch. Joe @ Gotbasketball.com is a wealth of knowledge. The SCI show, overall, is vital to collectors, both veterans and those new to the hobby.
Thanks, Chris!
I really like your enthusiasm in your interview, it's very positive, please allow your guest to give his opinion more, it's better to let them speak without saying 'yep, mhm, ok' over n over.
PSA doesn't sleeve the cards. I don't collect anymore; my 9-year-old does now. The black label BGS is tough. My son is always asking me to break out the loop. 😅 I think think the new SGC is pretty solid too. I spent 6 years grading...with a big 3. I have let my son down a time or two....letting him know that card is a counterfeit, power erased, or trimmed. This video is great. Authentic. He collects anything Rams and doesnt care about value. The difference is being able to drive to drop off. I often wish I could start a pregrade company. You guys rock. BVG has always been theosr thorough on T cards. He moved into collecting Stars players, but it's all modern. He is reallt wanting the OPChee Wayne though
BVG would mark the Ryan sheet cut (if it was) or possibly authentic "altered". A lot like Star basketball
Great episode!!!
I have a good chunk of my cards graded by the big three: SGC, Beckett and PSA. I'm primarily a vintage sports cards collector. I've taken my vintage Beckett (BVG, NOT that BCCG crap! But BVG) cards into a few different card shops and I've had the clerk tell me that BVG isn't as respected as Beckett (the Beckett for the newer post 1980 cards). I then have to explain to these clerks that the 1960s and 1970s BVG graded cards I'm showing him never had the opportunity to get graded by the "new" Beckett b/c they're older than 1981. It's beyond belief that I've had three clerks at 3 different shops over the last five years make this mistake: essentially thinking that old pre 1981 cards can get graded by "new" Beckett when they can only get graded by BVG! It drives me bonkers!
Great information! Thanks so much.
Great video, so much knowledge. thx Geoff!
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Someone needs to teach this guy how to switch his phone to silent mode. In every iterview with him, his phone is always going off!
What a great and informative interview
One thing I noticed is that younger, high end basketball card collectors tend to prefer the BGS slabs. The thicker, more expensive basketball RPAs seem to show better and feel more “high end” in the BGS holders.
I’ve also heard younger collectors say that all cards after 2000s should be BGS slabbed.
You also have watch out for dirt in the penny sleeves. I made a video on that subject my friend.
Geoff good interview. Please let guest speak. Your passion is not letting anyone else give adive.
Incredible interview
This is such a great episode, Geoff. Thanks a million for putting this out there. I’m sending my 1976 and 1977 collections to these fellas for submission. Can’t upvote this enough.
Nicely done appreciate the video.
VERY GOOD USEFULL INFORMATION.
I LIKE THE BGS HOLDERS.
Great show
Joe Davis is the best guest commentator that you had on the channel to date. His knowledge and experience automatically earns him trust along with credibility. Great topic and well navigated discussion on Sportscard Grading. Timing is significantly important in Grading, so people should realize what is the potential of cards being Submitted before purchasing already Graded cards like you mentioned with Luka Doncic and Trae Young RCs from 2018-19. If people realize that there are approximately 100,000 Base RCs of each Player from 2019-20 Panini Prizm, then I wonder if they would be chasing as much as they are. Yes, there are a lot more Collectors in Sportscard today than ever - Panini has manufactured to Demand, so the Silver, Green, Ruby Wave, Red/White/Blue, Orange Ice, Red Ice and Pink Ice should all be plentiful even as everyone is chasing Colored Prizms. Sticking to Panini Prizm Serial Numbered 500 or less might be the best option for this year’s product. 🤓🏀🌎
Steven, I agree with your concerns about high print runs, which is why I too prefer serial numbered cards. I covered this in my episode "The Death of Prizm Silver?" a couple months back.
Thanks, Steven!
Good call Steven 👏
I believe Panini doesn't get the reputable respect that other distributors do. I just heard that the MLB doesn't recognize them as an well authenticated company like they do Topps, Fleer, and etc but the MLB Union does? (Never researched to see how true that is) I assume that's why a lot of their 1/1s like keaf metal and etc aren't as valuable as other well known companies that put out 1/1s but I admired my (already incased) Trevor Lawrence 1of1 I have from Panini
Great insight on the grading and the different companies that grade. Thank you for the information. I think I missed it in the interview. How do we submit through Joe? I love how he looks to see if it is worth getting graded, and quicker turn around time. I see a lot of value in that.
Love HGA, presentation, subgrades and grading
Great video...I have attic card stash and I dont which one is good bad and ugly, however being bless with it is grateful..hoping to hear from you..be blessed
i have a michael jordan rookie card that id like rated, but i dont trust sending it to someone who can rip me off...
Always been aware of cards. Lately, thou I’ve been looking to collecting and learning for long term investment. This is has been so informative for a newbie like me 🤟🏼🔥
Holy shit I grew up buying cards from this guy... Crazy!!
Downloaded your app it’s great
Based on population reports, I cannot understand why some PSA graded cards continue to bring premium prices and why they are the preferred grading service for so many investors. When comparing population reports for BGS, SGC, and PSA, there is almost always a much higher population, both in total number and the percentage of the total, of graded cards that are PSA 10s. For example, the Mike Trout rookie (2011 Topps Update #US175 base card) has PSA grading over 67 percent of cards as a 10, while BGS's rate is almost 4.5 percent, and SGC is 28 percent. Ken Griffey Jr's 1989 Upper Deck rookie card population has a PSA 10 grade for over 5 percent of the total population, BGS is less than 1/3rd of a percent, and SGC is just over 3 percent. When I compared the population reports to newer cards graded by each company, PSA has a much higher percentage cards graded at a 10 than either BGS or SGC and having a PSA 10 grade at or over 70 percent of the total is very common. This is the same when looking at the total population of almost any given set. When comparing population reports, a BGS and SGC 9.5 should have about the same value as a PSA 10 based on the percentage of total cards graded (see note below). But there seems to be a stigma with a grade of 9.5 even though the quality of the card could be the equivalent or even exceed a PSA 10. When I see a PSA 10, I wonder if that card would get a BGS black label, an SGC gold label, or a 9.5 from either. I'll watch CZcams videos of collectors submitting cards to PSA because they don't want a BGS or SGC 9.5. It's the same as college students choosing courses based on the grading policies and the amount of work required by professors and trying to take the easier path (and yes, I was guilty of this).
My concern has less to do with PSA's grading standards and more to do with how the market may eventually adjust to PSA graded cards and the impact it may have on both card investors and collectors. One feature that draws collectors and investors is the rarity of a card and this includes a card with an uncommonly high grade when compared to the rest of its graded population. But if 70 percent of a specific card is a PSA 10, then how unique is that card and how much value does that grade add? If the total population of a set has a 70 percent PSA 10 grade, then how much value does that add to even a numbered parallel? Just as an example, as of today (Dec 5), 2019 Panini Prizm Draft Picks basketball has a total population of 76 graded cards of which 50 (66 percent) are graded as a 10. I thinks it is safe to speculate that as more cards are submitted and that population grows, the percentage of PSA 10s will not deviate too far from its current percentage and eventually, there will be an overwhelming number of PSA 10s compared to BGS and SGC. As the hobby has grown and card grading has grown, it's just a matter of time before population reports play a much bigger role when determining the market price of a card. I'm afraid that, at some point, the market going to consider a PSA 10 the grading equivalent of a participation trophy and adjust prices accordingly.
There is the old saying that 'The market, is the market, is the market' which loosely translated means 'the market isn't always fair or rational, it just is what it is'. Ultimately, the market is made the actions of humans. I believe at some point, both collectors and investors are going to look at the population of PSA graded cards and are going to adjust. I don't believe there will a catastrophic bubble burst, but some investors are going to get a rude awakening.
Note: SGC did not assign a grade of 9.5 until 2019 when they revamped their grading system.
Great interview
I sent in my first submission to PSA in the Middle of November. On a 20 Day Turn Around. I sent in 17 cards. Hopefully in the next month or 2 I can get them back. :)
Nice video but I dont think beckett or psa are fair, they give better grades to bigger spenders. Aslo psa does not hold up to there 55/45 rule for us nobodies
Nice Vids....Love em.
Great advice...I do a lot of the same by buying sets and then holding onto most base...example: look at the 80's and 90's, lots of Hall Of Famers in those sets, you don't need to to get a psa 10 on a Griffey Jr to get your value, there's Maddux, Bo, Clemens, Boggs, Gwynn, Puckett, Mattingly, McGuire, Canseco and many others that you can get your return on from a complete set...the main issue during that time period is the centering...if you can master the centering on 2 out of 20 HOFers then you got your value back from buying the set usually...more than that or even psa 9's for some players then is a bonus
Thanks for writing that. I've been wondering about buying sets because there are A LOT Of people getting rid of their sets from 80-90's on Craigs List. But does it have to be the Rookie Card for your theory to work? I auctioned a 1990 Griffey SGC 9 and only got one bid for $2! I've been mentioning centering in my description title on ebay. Doesn't seem to make a difference. It's more about is there some person who wants that card for any reason. I have found graded sell faster. Hard to make money though once you've paid for graded on a non star card.
In my opinion, SGC doesn't hold the actual value unless it's an older vintage (T205, T206, 50's, 60's), yes it's cheaper but not by much...on the newer stuff, you need 9's and 10's at minimum to get any value, if the player is a top notch or a hot rookie then I'd auction, if he's just a star then your better off doing a buy now and sitting on it, if not you'll lose a lot with the ebay fees...some cards I sell, I only make a $1-2 on, I generally sell to make $3-5 on, every now and then if a player is hot and you list it, there's a crazy bidding war (example: I listed a Fried rc auto psa10 last year about a month into the season, he started off hot but I knew he was gonna cool off as most rc's go into a slump, listed at $19.99, had a bidding war and sold for $40+, you never know)...it only takes 2-3 people to have a bidding success...depending on what you list it at, if you only get one bidder then you lose unless you list it at say $14.99, where you have $10 into it and then minus ebay fees...I list some cards twice a month at what I want to get out of it, sometimes it takes 4-6 months to sell but I'm ok with that because I didn't lose on the card...I see some guys grade a lot and sure they make $15-20 on a lot but they really don't make much after fees when they sell a bunch for $3-5...for me it doesn't make sense, at worse list it at $9.99 and just sit on it...Star player cards usually go up in value, some slow some fast, list it right and be patient...for 1970's and before, let it sit for the price you want and be patient
Oh ya, be careful of buying put together sets, most will be a little surface worn and a lot have bad corners, they usually don't grade well...your better off buying a sealed box and taking your chance, rather than buying a put together set, and getting a psa 8 out of it...heck, for some older stuff, I've even been happy buying a pack for a chance, you hit great every now and then and other times you get a goose egg
TD Sports Cards Thanks guys for the feedback. New to eBay and learning. Same deal for COMC and what about Etsy?
COMC has some great deals...you see when you send cards to COMC, you can't get them back unless you buy them, kind of a hitch, so when you send them in, the main idea is to just sell them and not grade them, so for a no namer that becomes a star you pretty much just have to let it go, so there are psa 10 quality cards in that inventory along with others that lost track of their pricing and what they had...I've even seen a Brady rc bought and come back a psa 9 on the cheap...learn to look at centering and corners in the pictures, the surface you just don't know...there's deals out to find
Smart dudes, great stuff
I submitted cards with Joe recently, came back with some really low grades, thought they would have looked at my card as advertised before sending it off. Have you noticed that your cards are more toughly graded when submitting with a dealer?
I am currently waiting on a BCCG 10 Lebron Rookie 2003 Topps. I want to submit it to PSA. Should I send it in with the BCCG case or take it out of BCCG case and send it in ?
Can you add a link to his shop on the video Please? Very Informative stuff!
Man your in GA! Same here.
We are in GA as well! We would love to have you stop by the store if you are close!
GotBaseballCards absolutely! It’s on my to do list!
BGS and PSA are both very respected grading companies and a good strategy to make profit, is to choose the company depending on the current state of the card
wax boxes of those early 90s fleer and stuff like that are now like 100 plus a box. Crazy.
Yes thanks for the information
Just picked up a 85 Star Jordan that I want to get graded. Stumbled on it in a auction. Looks really nice. Im hoping for a 7. BGS or PSA
I think that these card grading companies have too long of a wait time and has way too biased grades as they are graded by humans whoa re subjective. I suggest you use AGS to grade your cards without bias. Their AI robot allows the cards to be graded without any opinion and since the system is automated, the time to return the cards is much shorter!
The problem is people send even base cards in to get graded now. Prices are rising because people are grading worthless cards.
I'm very curious to see how the addition of NFTs will affect card grading prices... At the moment, their prices are very steep, but owning a card that doesn't rely on expensive grading costs is appealing...
I am thinking to invest in good sophomores and than rookies silver prizm and then certificate them and sell in few years. How do you think?
I don't need subgrades. PSA 10 is sufficient to soothe my OCD.
Which do you think has better market appeal? PSA 10 gem mint or BGS 10 Pristine?
you pose your questions in the form of answers.
What are your thoughts on PGi for grading? I’ve had a card in my collection from PGi for about 20 years and was curious.
Me too. Have a couple of pgi cards too
What is your opinion on GAI? I had purchased many 1951 Bowmans and they look as good as of better than PSA.
How do you send the card in? Like do you ship it in a box or envelope? I feel like it could get damaged by doing this just because an envelope can bend and a box can let the card slide around and damage corners
Great video! Perfect until you got Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz mixed up at the end XD.
I wonder what 1988 to 1990 to 1995 Pro Set Football Cards Go For Today? And even 1990 to 1995 Baseball cards
That's the junk era. To many cards made they aren't worth the paper they were printed on
So I saw in an older video and you were at a trade show mentioning TGT at their booth. Is it a waste of "grading money" to get some cards graded by them? Do you have a video on them or new grading companies? I like their slabs and the pricing is the best out there at the moment. Ps. Love all the videos you guys do.
Grading companies should start a digital uploading service for prescreening. That way it would save alot of off centered cards from being submitted. I understand a full assessment can't be done this way but high resolution photos should give graders some idea if the card is worth grading or not.
Why do some of the BGS grades show the grades on the centering, corners, edges and surface, while others do not? Is there a way to ID fake plates? I also noticed some of the BGS plates have the Beckett logo with a black background while others are clear. Thanks for the clarification!
Regarding the sub grades for centering, surface, edges, etc is more related to cost the card owner purchases. So if the owner pays for both sub grades and overall grade you get these different types of Beckett grades. I can't speak on your second question. I hope this is helpful.
My dude...did u watch the video? They explain it in the video. Just bustin ur balls. The black label 10 is pretty new. It is a top notch prestine 10. Watch 13:50.
For PSA/DNA, do you think a PSA submission for grading the autograph, ie, PSA 10 Auto Authentic adds more value than a PSA/DNA Auto Authentic without a number grade? I have a card that has an Autograph that is PSA authentic but doesnt had a numeric grade, but the condition of the card is a PSA 10. Do you think the value of my card PSA 10 Auto Authentic is less than the value a card that is PSA 10, with Auto 10, 9, 8, etc?
Great show, but what the heck flew past the window at 12:32???
CHRIS THOMAS ... No worries bro, it was just a UFO 🥺
I bought a BCCG-9 graded baseball card years ago from the 70's. When I entered the serial number it showed up as Ken Griffey Jr.
And it was a Hank Aaron card.
How do you think a bccg cross over to PSA would go?
PSA 10 are the top of the top, which is a guarantee to an increase in value of the respective card
I was just at his store on Friday with my collection of some of my junk wax era football cards rookies from 1990 proset and score sanders montana error and superpro emmitt farve rookie and 1991 bill belichick and many other rookie and hof to get graded and was turn away saying not worth get graded. Not cause of condition. Like your opinion should I submit on my own want to sell these cards. Could use some advice should I get it graded or not since these cards are in the junk wax era?
What about freud holders? What if they make a freud psa or bgs holder? What if even the serial number is copied from a geniune card that appeared somewhere?
Since those services are all based in the US...any opinions on grading services from other countries? Over here in Europe, we have the EGS, for example.
PSA use qualifiers which makes the value of the card more precise.
Hey Joe hey Goeff
Question that I have, I bought a really beautiful Raw #ed to 25, Illusions, 2018 Lamar Jackson, RPA, it looks great.. The only thing I find wrong, the patch has a snag in it and it's a little frayed. Would it be OK for me to, trim it off myself, or, ask the grading service company to handle it, before they grade it? For now, since i only have this 1 card that needs grading, ill send it direct, but, when i accumulate a pile, im seriously considering sending them through Joe, sounds like a better way to go(FYI). Thanks, I sincerely appreciate your reply back, in advance.
Hi Geoff....please advise. do you take the insurance option when you ship your cards out to the grading companies? I am worry about lost shipments and theft while my cards are in route to the grading companies. Please share what you do when it comes to this matter. Thank you.
You have to use insurance on the way home, when you ship out to the companies, its up to you, depending on how many you send, you might not be able to insure it fully.
You mentioned that a BGS 10 pristine goes for a multiple over PSA 10. I have a Luka Prizm Silver BGS 10 pristine (10,10,10,9.5); only pop 8 vs. 1200+ of the PSA 10. What do you think the multiple would be for this card? I’m guessing 4 to 5X .... what do you think? I’m super new to all of this....
For exact prices, especially BGS EBAY is your best bet, search sold listings
I'm a little new to this. But, why do people open packs that are hunting for certain cards and not wear gloves. I see people open packs getting Zion Williamson and then they set a bunch of cards on top of him. Does it just not damage it that much with your fingers cuz you can wipe it down?
Anyone know the process of how they seal BCCG cards? Or how you can tell is the slab has been tampered with.
Law#1 Never outshine the Master
I actually have a lot of both psa and beckett.
Sure, these companies have their reputation becuase they have been used for so long. But in this upcoming age of technology, I think that biased and opinionated human graders should not interfere with this fun hobby. As a sports card investor myself, I have switched to AGS to grade my cards. They have a robot that grade your cards for you free of bias and the speed of the grade reutrn is much faster than many other grading companies.