The Most Evil Mother in America: The Shocking Case of Shelly Knotek
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Shelly Knotek knew exactly how to love-bomb, manipulate, and abuse her victims- including her own husband and children. She also knew how to disguise herself as a Good Samaritan in the eyes of the community. But behind closed doors, she was America’s most evil mother.
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1:13 - What’s Up Everybody
2:03 - Shelly Knotek
5:08 - Teenage Years
9:15 - Getting Married
14:06 - Raymond
21:21 - Shane Watson
27:05 - Kathy & Tori
44:28 - A Brief Investigation
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1:15:58 - Sentencing & Aftermath
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And people wanna pretend that the death penalty is unjust. SMFH
What exactly does that mean? Are you not going to upload videos for awhile or just not do the premier thing?
@@cameronsmith4178from the wording it means they're just gonna stop the premieres, but still upload videos like normal 😊
I prefer to watch with the LIVE CHAT. If I just wanted to watch the video-I can do that ANYTIME.
That stinks..😢
It's a sad comment on our legal system when someone trying to smuggle weed is serving a longer term than this sick sociopath, who today is walking the streets free. 😡
🎯 👏🏻
Ikr...very frustrating
Agreed!
I was facing life in prison in 2015 for trying to smuggle weed...
This comment right here is spot on, and it’s sickening our Legal System is like this 😞
They say that no one is born evil, but this woman appears to have been rotten from birth.
she was straight demonic and is satan in the flesh only somebody demonic could do what she did
Her mother, being an alcoholic sex worker, probably drank during her pregnancy. Developmental trauma + more abuse in the home created this monster.
I'm learning there are people born with souls and then there are people born as an empty vessel devoid of empathy or giving love it's what we call sociopathic psychopath
I personally don’t use the label “evil”, I use the scientific term, “psychopath”, and people can definitely be born a psychopath. There are three traits of a psychopathic personality that can be inherited from your parents. These three traits are (1) an interpersonal component (lying and manipulativeness), (2) an emotional component (callousness and lack of emotion), and (3) a behavioural component (violence and criminality).
Researchers have concluded that all three aspects of psychopathy are heritable (passed on through the genes inherited from one’s parents) - and that the aspect with the strongest genetic predisposition is the callousness/unemotional element.
I can say from my own experience, yes I do think people are born evil and it's passed on from parent to child , and it's not just they don't have any feeling of empathy or understanding to the people they hurt , I think they enjoy what there doing know it's wrong but they don't care .
The justice system is broken and child abusers never face the appropriate amount of prison time. Shelly should've been locked up forever.
the reason our justice system is beyond broken it is demonic in nature they give murderers and pedos less time than people who have a drug charge it is complete bs
Some moms are very sick
What
Cathy was a true hero, honestly. she took on so much more abuse than was "meant" for her to try and save the kids
No Cathy was a weak minded person who could have went to police but instead returned to her torturers and let the kids continue to suffer instead of alerting authorities
@@rabidwolfvictim blaming isn't cool
@theresadiaz3293 Cathy had no where to live and was financially dependent on Shelley, without Shelley she would have likely been dumped into a homeless shelter considering she had no where to go. She also looked out for all of the kids in the story, putting their lives before her own, she was a heroic and selfless person. Half of the time, getting the police involved doesn't accomplish anything anyhow because Shelley was able to lie about what happened to the victims for quite some time and people were buying in on it. It wasn't until her adult daughters were able to come together as a group, and after all the deaths had occured, for any change to be made
@@citizn-xh7rvI live in one. I'd rather that than not get police involved
@@rabidwolfyou have no idea how abuse changes your thought pattern and rational thinking. Cathy was vulnerable, and sociopathic narcissists, like Shelly, can smell it from miles away. She trusted Shelly, so naturally believed everything Shelly said. Cathy's spirit was completely broken,, but she still managed to muster the strength to undergo more torture, so that those kids didn't suffer anymore than they had to. Also, incase you missed it, Shelly would hunt them down very quickly, if they tried to leave, so there's no way that anyone would get within a sniffing distance of a police station.
Poor Kathy. To willingly take on as much abuse as she could to try to protect the children, probably knowing how it would end for her... it shows the strength of her character.
I hope one day the girls are able to find peace and come to terms with what happened. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I truly pray they get to that point.
Beautifully said. I agree; I wish them so much Peace.❤
I know, right? Poor thing 💔
Nikki left her two sisters to the abuse. She had the opportunity to tell people IMMEDIATELY. Her silence allowed an 81yo vet to be murdered. I'm sorry, she should be in jail. If not, she should feel guilt and shame for the rest of her life. Her mother was a monster that was responsible for 3 deaths and countless hours of horrible abuse on multiple people. Nikki started fighting back, and then left the rest to their fate when she finally got free. That's disgusting.
@@BlueEyedMomof378Seriously? You're blaming that girl who had been abused her entire life by that monster? You obviously don't understand thhe psychological damage done to her and her sisters. They were like prisoners of war, with no normal life of their own to draw on since its all she ever experienced. Shelly had them convinced of her power to control everyone and everything. My heart breaks for all the victims. As for a prison sentence for Mikki, she already did her time. When the 3 sisters joined forces they found strength to turn Shelly and Dave in. The cops sure as heck never would have investigated anything. Which was proven when Cathy's family reached out to them. The DA in that area is gutless for not building a better case and tried for first degree.
If she wanted to really help the kids she should have said something put a end to this stuff
I feel for all the victims, but especially for Shane. He came out of a dysfunctional broken family with hopes of having a loving one, only to be placed in a much worse situation, to be severely abused, and then murdered. Also, you can see the sadness and fear in Shane’s face in the pictures.
This is such a horrific story. The amount of lives that witch destroyed. She doesn’t deserve to ever be free again. It’s disgusting
That poor boy, so incredibly gut wrenching.
To all that were abused as children and made it through, you are survivors and I wish you loads of love and a bright future, know that you are worth it and more than good enough ❤
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Yes I love how u guys explain everything that happens with abused people. You guys have an awesome way of telling these horrible abuse!!. Not that I like abuse!! . Keep on sharing with us ok!! 👌🏼👌🏼👍🏼
My mom is like Shelly but a milder version bc she cared what other people thought so she wouldn’t have me in the mud or limit my showers or clean clothes BUT she did alot the other types of abuse. What is the worst is the love bombing then abuse and the “look at what you made me do” still rings in my head. I truly believe she hated me bc I look like my dad. I went no contact in 2006
I feel! 4 u!
Was ; physically and mentally abused, by my mother, as well.
Thought she hated me , cause I looked like my father.
She would tell me; I was just like my father.
Also; I was my father's favorite.
She didn't! Like that.
@@junevmarshall4156 so similar and it’s so evil bc with me I have been trying to get over her voice in my head
@@EvolvementEras trust me;
It'll get easier .
Hate 2 text this ..but;
After your mom passes??
If? She already has?
You'll! Start feeling 'free'.
I don't! Visit my mother, that often.
Of course.... you'll! Never! Completely heal,,,,, u! Already know this
But....try! 2 remember;
U! Matter!
It wasn't! Your! Fault.
Your mother...like mine;
If? People? Call that 'motbering'???....HAH!!!!.your mother probably? Was miserable!!! In her life;
Wanted! Someone 2 take her anger! Out! On someone.......and ... unfortunately!!
U! We're there..speaking 4 myself;
I never! Received! Acknowledgement!!
From my mother.
R let alone an 'apology'!
Again.....I feel! 4 u!
'hope'? U? Keep?? Healing?? U! Deserve! It
👍👍👍👍👍👍 4: u!
And.....most! Importantly: ........
💘💘💘💘💘💘4: u!
'take care'.🤗
Yeah, I didn’t get any lovebombing, mine would act like I owned her the apology. The woman has never once said to me, sorry or I love you. To save my sanity, I just keep saying, meh.
@@dreadede i’m so sorry your mother was like that, you did not deserve any of that and I’m sorry she wasn’t supportive and loving to you. It’s so disgusting and unfortunate that we had mothers that just couldn’t be good moms, we deserved so much better
Wondering why she was never charged with any child abuse on her daughters, that alone should have put her in prison for life! On top of the murder charges. Sick!
I have to tap out. More than half of this was exactly what it was like living with my mother. Even down to faking cancer.
I’ve been through years of therapy and even though I take life day by day and smile, I’m always going to be broken inside.
I'm so sorry .I hope you know that you are more than the horrible things you endured .Sending you love from Vermont .I hope you find some sort of self love and peace .❤
I’m so sorry you had to go through this.
I’m sorry you had to go through that 🫶🏽 I hope that you find peace and healing
sorry to hear that i will say a prayer for God to fix u from your brokeness
@@OLALALA1019 I have a wonderful therapist and despite rough days, I broke that cycle.
There's a book called, If You Tell, ALL about this case. Interviews with her daughters, ex-husband, step-mom, etc. Terrible but great book. Can't BELIEVE this woman is free now. Shelly also chose a home that was very secluded & picked areas of the yard that couldn't be seen from the road to do her torturing.
Free now? Truly Scary!😮
@@TeeAlee143 Yeah, how fucked is that??? I feel so bad for her daughters.
So odd, I just finished this book the other week and hadn’t ever heard of her before. I hope her daughters are healing
Shelly is free now?!
That's sickening she's if free , she literally murdered innocent ppl and tortured then for her own sick entertainment , .. how the f is she free , she should get the death penalty.. well gotta leave this one for God ...she got away with it here ..her and her sick husband
“Being locked away gave her a break from the physical abuse” damn I felt that.
how do these murderers do less time than somebody who has a drug charge...
Ronald Reagan
To know she got out basically a year ago. What a tragedy . That lady is a danger to society . No way is she repentant for her crimes. May her victims rest easy. No one deserves this
She's no lady !
To think her family of origin were in the nursing home industry. Now that's really scary!
And she herself is probably going to live in one of those, poor residents😮
Shelly should have never been allowed out of jail.
I worked with her middle daughter and live in the area this happened. It's a very sad case, and her daughter's are still very much affected by this. Especially because Shelly was recently released, and is in a care home, even in prison she was manipulating others, there is fear that she will continue to do that in her post prison placement as well.
Looking back, were there any red flags that something was wrong? Or did you work with her after Shelly was caught?
I worked with her long after she was caught. A couple years before she was released and after her dad was released. She actually had told a college professor everything prior to her mom getting caught but when they called in a counselor she panicked and said she made it all up because she was late on an assignment. The psychological abuse ran very, very deep.
I always found the lobotomy procedure was cruel and barbaric but when it comes to Shelley I think this is the first example of medical necessity.
Wow so interesting that someone with direct experience with this person made a comment here. In an earlier comment, I said something like “in modern lawful urbanized society we may have become too far separated from what is right, even if it’s not lawful. The ethical and best option in this situation would have been if someone like Shane had taken that .22 and simply put Shelley down in her sleep. Because all the psychological studies around personality show that it is consistent through life, we are what we are and Shelley will always be someone who will cause as much pain as she is capable of” for those reasons, I feel like the best outcome for all and the ethical choice would have been for any one of those core people she abused to have simply put her down like a dog that is so broken in the head that all it can do and all it ever will do is bite. That’s what Shelley is. I wonder if you have any thoughts or comments on that? Fully aware I sound somewhat psychopathic, but I’m just coming from a perspective of what’s best for the tribe. If we lived in a 150 person tribal village 50 000 years ago, it would have been obvious to everyone that Shelley just needed a club to the back of the head. Cause survival was so much harder back then, you couldn’t afford someone like Shelley in the tribe. I feel like these days cause survival is so easy (relatively speaking) in the time and place Shelley lived, that most people would never dream of doing something illegal like putting Shelley down. But if Shelley was put down, three people would still be alive and many people would have been saved horrific abuse and psychological damage. How do my comments make you feel?
they let her out?? Why?? She abused and murdered...why did she deserve to go free?
That lady was a monster from childhood. People don’t understand the manipulation of narcissists and sociopaths. They are predators and they hunt people who are genuinely nice and want to help people. They prey on them and devour them slowly.
Exactly!!
But.. no! Lady!👎
This episode just makes me so mad, like how this woman was capable of getting all of the resources she needed to have the power to treat these people so terribly and basically send them to their deaths. I'll never understand how she got 18 years in prison and not life/ death penalty for what she did
This is terrifying, it mirrors my childhood like 90 percent, I never realized I wasn't tbe only victim of such severe child abuse.. I hope someday child abuse ends...
Im truly sorry you experienced that. Hugs n love
Wow I am incredibly sorry you had to go through this…
💜💜💜
I cannot even imagine...I'm so sorry for what you went through. I hope you are doing ok ❤️ 💙 💜
Me as well... I was scared to say it but when they began to describe Shelly as a mother and a wife, I was like "man, this is all too familiar, but it sounds so shocking when it's happening to someone else."
Heartbreaking for anyone who encountered this dark evil person. Not fit to be called a mother or a human. We talk of demons and she is evil in the form of woman. It scares me how souls like this come into being. It brought slight comfort hearing Shane was burned in the same place as Kathy so their dust was together
I knew Nicky was my favorite when you said she fought her mom back and I love that she didn’t forgive her “father” who in my opinion is no victim.
Exactly, totally an accomplice since he didn’t try to escape or stop the abuse against the children.
He made a choice not to do anything to help his children when they were hurting
Lol! If he had been a female like Kathy you would have recognised he too was abused but you do not because he is male. Apparently males do not fall victim to this type of abuse right? You seem to have ignored his abuse.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396once you inflict the same abuse on others, you are no longer a victim, period!
The same goes for women and there is no double standard. Baby Brianna‘s mother went to jail for not stopping the abide and she gets doxxed everywhere since she got out
@@fehyndana7725 lol! She is not a victim.
you know, anyone can manipulate. it’s not that hard. it takes a truly evil evil person to manipulate 24/7. we are giving her too much credit. she’s not a genius she’s just evil :/
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She would throw dishes away and abuse the family in ALL the homes she lived in and they ACTUALLY thought she would treat the neighbor kids better 😒😑
She isn't just the most evil mom, she's the most evil person, period.
Pure evil, no other way to describe the woman.
How is she out?! She's 110% a high risk of manipulating someone to do her dirty work if she can't do it herself.
I feel absolutely saddened, and horrified for these victims. She should’ve been locked away in solitary confinement for the rest of her life. Unfortunately, the system can always work that way. I hope the victims that are still living thing get the therapy they need and work through their traumas. Many prayers to the victims.🙏🏻
I was born and raised in Raymond (and somehow ended up back here again after swearing up and down I'd never come back) and this case still trips me out severely. I used to work with Sami and she is one of the most wonderful people I've ever met...it amazes me that a monster like Shelly could somehow produce someone as kind, compassionate, empathetic, and surprisingly well adjusted as Sami is. I don't know either of her sisters, as they left Raymond a long time ago (can't blame them) but from what I know, like Sami they have both grown up to be the antithesis of their mother, and are both happy and successful. It's absolutely mind boggling that Shelly has been released, and she actually managed to manipulate the Dept of Corrections into arranging for her to be released to an assisted living facility in Kent, WA... One of the stipulations -this is Shelly's stipulation to DOC, mind you, because she actually refused to leave prison if they didn't make the arrangements for her-was that the other residents at the assisted living facility could NOT be made aware of who Shelly was and what she had done. And amazingly, DOC agreed - the facility staff were informed, but they were expressly forbidden from discussing it with anyone. According to Sami, DOC had a hard time finding a facility that was willing to take Shelly on, let alone leave their residents unawares, and Shelly's release was delayed by about 6 months while they searched for a placement for her, but amazingly they managed to find somewhere that was willing to go along with this insanity. Sami, Nikki, and Tori all tried desperately to convince the facility not to take her in, and open people's eyes to the fact that this was nothing more than Shelly manipulating the situation so she was strategically placed right in the middle of her favorite kind of people - vulnerable, powerless people who are entirely unaware of what a monster she is. Sami and her sisters have been extremely vocal about the fact if she had the opportunity Shelly would absolutely go back to her same old self but sadly no one who had any control over anything has paid any attention, and the general consensus amongst most people in Raymond is that it's just a matter of time. And that it's entirety possible that if and when she starts torturing her next victim no one will ever know because I'm sure Shelly has learned a lot about how to fly under the radar better. And sad to say this is pretty typical for the Pacific County justice system. You want a rabbit hole to fall in, that's a good one.
oh hey mom
Unbelievable! How can they do this an not inform their residents? She’ll strike again for sure!
My mother was a convicted murder and wow the abuse is exactly the same. Hope the sisters have found some peace.
So sorry to hear that. How awful! Bless you! ❤️
God bless all 3 of the daughters of that demon. Please heal them and let them know how proud we all are them for using their voice against the sick person who gave birth to them. I won't even call her a mother. Again God please bless and heal them 3 beautiful sisters. 💋❤️🙏
I accidentally happened upon this story. Heinous, in every way, shape, and form. Your voices are soothing, which makes for such a relaxing listen. I honestly don't think that I would have been able to listen to the end without you gentlemen. Your empathy is beautiful. Peace 💛
I know people wonder how other adults could fall victim to people like Shelly but the manipulation begins completely under the radar & the psychological abuse follows. It’s manipulation to perfection & it is terrifying.
This woman is a whole demon living in a human body . She had too much time on her hands to think of tortures and manipulated everyone she came in contact with . Poor Kathy I wish she would of never came back after she ran away . Dave is worthless too , he participated in the abuse and never stood up for anyone including himself. He may have started as a victim but ended up being an abuser just like his thrash wife .
hell yeah she is demonic and is satan in the flesh only somebody possessed would enjoy doing what that piece of filth did
Trash
it took so long to realize that my mom was Sadistic meaning she got the equivalent of an emotional Hard -On from hurting people Emotional Abuse was a power trip for her . i remember her getting really angry that she couldn't make me feel ashamed of myself for being gay or make me a nervous wreck by pointing out situations i was dealing with and i would say that i can't allow ,myself to get into that mindset because if i did i couldn't function . by my count she caused at least 1 man to kill himself maybe 2 . she enjoyed making people despair like there was no point to anything .
When my mother complained to me that nobody ever called her anymore i reminded her of this situation.
there is this 1 lady we both knew who her only real regular exercise was working in her small garden area in her back yard growing vegetables.
my mother told her that was a stupid waste of time she could just buy what she needed from the store .
i explained that she drove people away.
But at that time i didn't realize she hurt people deliberately for her own gratification .
So as usual she played dumb like she didn't realize she was hurting everyone she knew .
There should be mandatory life in prison with out parole for severe child abusers.
Wait, she’s out??? And her husband too?!? This case made me physically ill listening while listening to it. I think the fact that she was masquerading as a “mother” made it a million times more horrifying. I pray for karma upon her and her I’m assuming “ex” husband 😖
u mean u whatin on God to get her its not karma but not to worry God will get them u can take that to the bank
@@truthboy2164 I believe in God but I call it karma or whatever I want 😑
Wow I’m going to assume she maybe legally changed her name and moved farrr away hiding under the radar. Reddit is a treasure trove of info like this.
Exactly!!
I agree 👍.
@@truthboy2164'sorry'....but, God has nothing! 2 do with it.
More! Like 'karma' does.
Let's hope? So? .. anyway.👍
Love bombing IS a thing, and leaving the person doing this and the abusing, is often VERY difficult for people. If you know someone in this situation, just be an outlet of safety for them and listen to them. As someone who grew up in a household with an abusive mother, it is very hard to deal with this.
It’s like the big red flag with the word narcissist on it for sure.
Typically nurture plays a role in addition to nature, but in this case, I think that she was innately evil from birth. The fact that she was released from prison is beyond horrifying to me! How is that justice?!
I agree. I understand mental illness but also believe there are demonic entities and can attach themselves to a person. She needed a freakin exorcism. And from a cardinal or the pope himself in Rome.
Right? Like did her mom have infertility issues and make a deal with the devil to get pregnant…it would explain how she is the living embodiment of satan’s spawn.
who else listens to the audio on Podcasts? and then when the video drops I watch that too lol I can't get enough
This is gaslighting 101... somehow convince the victim it's THEIR fault, that they brought this on themselves or that they deserve tobe punished.
To feel so unworthy of love or the yearning to BE loved is one of the manipulators most powerful tools.
That woman is a sadistic monster. To only get 15 and 18 years for the torture and murder of three people and the abuse of her three daughters is ridiculous. She should have been charged for that abuse too. Should have been a life sentence for both of them in my opinion. Also, oftentimes at sentencing when a defendant is facing multiple jail sentences they give them to run concurrently instead of consecutively which I think devalues the pain that the victims and their loved ones have endured. This couple got off very lightly for their crimes.
Shelly reminds me so much of my mom. She did the same things and acted the same way, word for word. I really hope her kids can heal.
As someone who has experienced and came out of this kind of abuse, let me say to anyone who is living through it now. Run, tell someone, please don’t stay in it. It’s not your fault and you do not deserve it!!!! You can heal from it but it’s hard and it takes time but please don’t stay in that situation.
What a horrifying tale! Heartbreaking, while the continuous terror, and endless shocking acts of an insanely evil mind, simply leaves your soul shaken.
I don’t think it’s munchaasen by proxy if you just plain out torture and abuse everyone in your life.
I'm curious about how monsters like this perceive themselves. Did Shelly see herself as wicked or did she see herself as a good mum who was discipling her family ? Dave didn't criticise her ever.
The family can be a mad mad insular world with its own crazy rules.
Shelly knew! Exactly! Why she was doing , what she did
She's: narcissistic/ psychopath/ evil person..
Who got her kicks!
And mind games.
A true sociopath!
I've heard this story before, but never such a complete deep dive. Well done!
This case is heartbreaking 💔
I come from a abusive family and I moved out when I was 16 and disconnected with everyone (in my family) when I was 24. I couldn't take it anymore mentally. It's a lonely life, surely around the holidays.
@@jaya-squishiehuntr019 thank you very much. I wish you happiness too. I know about churches and other places you can go over the holidays.
I don’t think that’s conscience we’re seeing in Dave’s confession. Codependents can be every bit as manipulative as the abusers. They thrive on pity and drama/attention. But they will say and do anything to stay out of trouble. One minute you’re their confidante, the next minute they’re throwing you under the bus. Don’t make the mistake of feeling sorry for them!
This! Had the same experience when trying to help someone out of an abusive relationship, I ended up being the bad guy and target of the abuser!! My „friend“ just wanted to complain and whine for hours on end but not actually get out of that situation! It was a red flag that she always had drama in her relationships, some just can’t live without it!
Thank you both for stopping in the middle and explaining psychological abuse and how it works and how basically anyone can be a victim. It took me years to leave my ex after being isolated from my family and friends, to the financial abuse of not letting me work or have my own identity out of the home, to taking my car… which in turn left me stranded at home with an infant …again all different parts of abuse that make up a wayyyy bigger picture. A lot of people don’t understand why you can’t just “ pick up and leave “….. like I would be taking my kids into a shelter… is that a better option? Not really, in my eyes, I have experience being in homeless shelters and I didn’t wanna put my kids thru that. Thank you again for bringing more awareness and attention to how abusers manipulate their victims.
When you're financially dependent on your abuser, have children to take care of and do not have any career skills or a degree of any kind, it can be very disheartening and can feel utterly hopeless. I wish there was more help for women and moms who are in this situation.
This is so sad, and I feel justice was not served to all whom were affected by her and his evil acts. 😢 I pray for all the family members. Make my heart hurt for them.
Been watching this show a few years now, appreciate the time you put into telling these story🙌🤝✌️
When I was a kid, we listened ti LIGHTS OUT on the radio…It was spooky.
This is a horrific case. I cannot believe they both have been released.
I not only lived a life as a kid like this but through numerous abusive relationships. As is common with such a life, I am now in life long therapy. I'm ok. ❤ thanks for your show.
I have basically seen every true crime story, yet I had never heard of this demon until this. I wish I had STILL never heard of her.
Truly Heartbreaking. Thank you for giving voice to the voiceless. ✌️
Poor Shane. 😭😭😭
this is INSANE! Those poor children, kathy, and the other people she killed
only found this channel yesterday honestly, you two have the absolute BEST voices for a podcast
I usually don’t have to stop Videos but I’ve had to stop this 1 4x before I could get through it. Parents hurting children are worse than anything on this world. Out of all the true crime and my own mother being murdered by her bf, parents hurting kids are fucked ip beyond all of it.
Murders three people possibly four tortured and only served 18 years. Drug dealers get way more talk about a messed up system
This is heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time.
And Cathy is damn hero. She sacrificed her life for those kids.
At times I had to stop this video. I felt really really distressed for Cathy. She was completely broken. She had lost her hair and teeth 😭💔 Her cognitive functioning was impaired and she was going blind 😢 I just can't believe the evilness of that woman. Poor Cathy had peace at last when she died. She's an Angel 💜
As for the husband, Dave, I think Shelley's insanity became his normal and when he started talking to the police his mind started to register the insanity.
That woman's evil. I pray her daughters can have some happiness despite all that trauma 😢
This was so in depth. I knew of this case previously, and it is so sickening and gut-churning that I had to take breaks in watching. She should still be rotting in prison. You guys are great! I am a long-time Kendall fan. I love what y’all do!!
This is such an awful and unimaginable situation. I can't even begin to believe how someone can manage to get away with this. It's hard to imagine a monster like this exists. I do hope she actually is in poor health so she can't do this to anyone again.
Exactly
she is demonic 100%
Im sorry on this one boys ...i could only listen to a certain point , and ive heard the entire story before, and i appreciate the warning ⚠️ you gave about manipulation. But thats when i had to go due my own childhood authoritarian trauma i had to click off. But i appreciate you guy bringing that amazing and positive energy each week ♡
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Rest in peace Kathy, Shane, and Ron...
I went through severe psychological and physical abuse from my stepmom and dad from 11 to 17. At the time, you dont even realize that the option to go for help is available. I lived in a fairly remote area and this occured from 89-96. There is a huge shame that comes along with the abuse; you have no other support and are made to feel like it is your fault entirely. Combined with this shame and love-bombing cycle you learn to cope and survive it. I left that home over 27 years ago and have told some of my story to a couple former classmates. They had absolutely no idea it was going on in spite of the fact i came to school with bruises all over, my dad would stalk me at school and he even beat me up there a few times. One time it occurred under a stairwell just several armlengths away from a classroom and gym with hundreds of people in the building.
Childhood can be a powerless , suffering time Your's sounds so unfair and cruel with no one to turn to. Well done you for surviving it, you're the strong one.
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I think it's called Stockholm syndrome, where the perpetrator makes others feel they are in need of them.
Hardest and one of the most difficult case's is parents that murder their own child(ren). 💔
A lot of people are probably thinking " I would have done this..........";this is making me think of various women in my life from 70s and 80s that were just like this.most grew out of it.the ones who didn't passed it to their kids. I went from being a frightened little boy to a cocky marines going out of my way to fight back embarrassed them and then forgiveness as a sober adult in AA.
That last picture of Shelly ,you can see 😢 the evil coming off of her.
I hate people like this. I would absolutely love to be a father soon and I hate people who turn that blessing into an abusive manipulative parental relationship
Emotional abuse is real. While it's hard for most people to understand why no one in this family rang the alarm bells, it doesn't start out extreme; it starts slowly, and constant psychological conditioning can really make you question everything.
What an utterly heartbreaking story. This brought up some eerie feelings of de ja vu from my upbringing (obvs not as severe but with a dose of Catholic fundamentalism sprinkled in for funsies). Cathy was nothing short of a hero, such a selfless and brave person.
I just found this channel and may I say what a breath of fresh air. The deep sense of empathy without any performative overtones is so rare, and the case was very well-covered. I also think it would be so easy to resort to a kinda sexist tone with a case like this, yknow "the crazy manipulative mother, psycho and vindictive woman". Which, obviously, she is. But I can really appreciate how not once did these guys go that route, not once did I get a sour taste in my mouth, but nothing felt forced and it was just a really authentic empathetic delivery. Thank you for your work!
Oh my gosh I'm only 20 mins in and I'm heartbroken. On my daughters worst day she gets a raised voice. How was a mother do you do this, no matter what your background, you know you did not like it, you should have wanted better.
What a monster. I can’t believe she’s out now.
I have heard all your cases on here from other creators. But you just have a way of telling them. Love your content.
Thank you so much for the time stamps yall!!! So appreciated!!!
I don't remember a recent case where the evil actions of a mother are so horrific. She should have rotted in prison!
Wow, this was a walking narcissist. Abusing her power, position & influence.
People really don't understand when you have a completely crazy mother .its so hard work heartbreaking . Not all mother are kind , caring loving . .im sorry to say this to mothers . All are childhood we would get from people who we tried telling people bad thing's were happening .behind closed door's .years of every abuse you can think of .a true nightmare
Cathy is an incredible hero. I really hope she can finally rest in peace.
There's no way I would be a part of that nonsense. Unbelievable
I love watching you guys. Keep up the great work 😊
What a monster poor children 😢some mothers should never have children 🤬👺
Ooof, I can already tell this is gonna be a tough one 😔
Wow such respectful delivery makes for easier listening.
Thankyou so much .
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i am surprised that people are still surprised over the sickening vile nature of human beings...
There’s a fantastic book about this called, “If You Tell”. Highly recommended. It gives the accounts of the victims.
Im honestly suprised Shelley didn't get unalived before she had a child crossing the wrong person.
She eventually wasn't allowed to have a cell mate. Probably because she abused any cell mate she did have. I think the other women were afraid of her.
Thank you for your incredible deep dive into this case, beautiful men ❤❤❤
I have heard about it before, but hearing it from you guy's is SOOOOOOOO much better and more informative 🙏🙏🙏
Omg! How can people be so cruel and sadistist