Mike D'Antoni and JJ Redick On The Influence Of The '7 Seconds Or Less' Suns On The Modern NBA
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2022
- Mike D'Antoni talks about him starting to develop different kinds of offenses in Europe and how he applied that to the '7 Seconds or Less' Pheonix Suns w/ Steve Nash, Amar'e Stoudemire and Shawn Marion. He also talks about the influence that team has on the moder NBA.
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JJ Redick is literally better than ESPN
With the amount of true knowledge here its really not even close espn is a clown show compared to this
1000 percent!
I hope more pros start doing content for their own sports. The questions and answers are 100x better when they ask then when regular reporters do.
Duh
Because he knows how to get the truth out of his friends/co-worker’s
He’s in an interesting position going forward I wonder would some tv network sign a deal with him JJ voice Taylor made for tv/radio and his thoughts are enjoyable to listen too
It makes me wonder how many European busts would have worked in the NBA if their coachs knew how to adapt the game plan to make those players work like D'Antoni did.
Andrea Bargnani was ahead of his time
Yep. Milos Teodosic comes to my mind, a ridiculously talented player, magician with the ball. Never succeeded in the NBA. What a shame...
Yup
Teodosic and Navarro are good examples.
@@jeremyjones2485 he acknowledges the game is luck though and a lot of these 3s were just good looks that just didn’t go in.
No coincidence that Linsanity happened with D'Antoni as the coach
wish it was longer too. but melo came back and messed it up a little
@@PengxueYG for real tho he can't win a chip and it will haunt him
@@joshuama3678 money gets in the way but pretty sure hes ok with it too
@Jeremy Jones we all respect and loved that suns team and he happened to be coaching it 👌🏾 at some point he does get credit for it
@Alvin Joe what about jackin 27 3s
D'Antoni doesn't get any credit, but he's the actual pioneer of the modern NBA game
It’s funny how little people actually know about the history of the NBA. Mike D’Antoni wasn’t the pioneer or revolutionary that people make him out to be. In fact, it was Rick Pitino who first ran a fast-paced offense that shot a lot of threes with the Knicks during the late 80’s and very early 90’s.
don nelson
Don Nelson
@@johnbrowntheprophet D' antoni teams didn't just shoot a lot. they reinvented pick and rolls and spacing . he has a huge influence on offensive concepts
Man don nelson is the OG of this
The way Mike D'Antoni talks basketball is just amazing, hope he gets to win a ring before he retires.
@@jeremyjones2485 Well, Nash had his best years with him and who knows what would have happened in 2007 hadn't Robert Horry decided to switch sports mid game and body him, would they be able to win the series and beat Lebron? Who knows. CP3 got injured in the most crucial of times. And as for the 27 missed 3s, don't you think those misses are a bit on the team? They also lacked their second best player and their floor general. And it was D'Antoni's offense that allowed them to have the opportunity to shoot those 3s and come close to challenging what was the most stacked team the NBA has probably ever seen. As for the Lakers, they had no chemistry, Kobe and Dwight were beefing, Nash was 38 and his body was falling apart, the Gasol and Dwight fit was horrible, and they did not even give him a chance since they rushed to get Kobe another championship.
He wont
His system is great for regular season. It's not championship basketball. Defense is half the game.
@@chrisisslick I agree, defense wins championships but D'Antoni's style of play is just interesting to watch, plus you cannot deny the impact his philosophy of playing the game had on it.
@@chrisisslick his rockets teams with Chris Paul had a great defense
A pioneer for sure. Steve Kerr having a front row seat to all of this when he was with the Sun's management and front office in the mid-2000s most likely set the blueprint of those championship Warrior teams.
And on top of that, Kerr was also coached by Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. The guy has had nothing but great leaders to look up to and study
F***** Kerr broke up That teams nucleus n took the blueprint to GSW 🤦🏽♂️
@@zyearo crazyy
Steve Kerr ruined it by bringing shaq , which negated the run and gun offense
i could listen to D'Antoni talk basketball all day man. Hes truly a Hoop genius
The issue was it just wasn’t perfected yet. Suns players themselves still had to learn to play this totally different style basketball.
It laid a foundation that future teams would make better versions off.
QQ
his version made them contenders
It’s basketball not calculus. They had it down by the first few months.
@@freddycalipari4242 But in the back of their mind, there was most definitely doubt on whether or not it was sustainable. They didn't have the benefit of hindsight to go "well duh of course this is the future of the NBA". Nowadays the conviction is different. Every player knows that if you can't fit in this modern style of NBA, you'll be out the league fast.
@@jeremyjones2485 he made all of those guards better. Which is the literal point of coaching. He revolutionized the game with Nash then did it again with harden. He's one of the best/important coaches in the history of the sport. This isn't just a playground kids' game anymore, basketball is a field of study and this man is one of it's best professors.
The pioneer of the modern NBA plays
Big fax 📠
It’s funny how little people actually know about the history of the NBA. Mike D’Antoni wasn’t the pioneer or revolutionary that people make him out to be. In fact, it was Rick Pitino who first ran a fast-paced offense that shot a lot of threes with the Knicks during the late 80’s and very early 90’s.
should we talk about how the 60s popularized the fast break in order to increase offense?
@@RLSmith-jt8qj - Of course, during the 1960’s the NBA game was played at a breakneck speed. My point is about the genesis / origins of the *MODERN NBA,* which includes a faster pace as well as three-point shooting.
@@johnbrowntheprophet that team played defense tho
Watching Kobe's Lakers vs Steve Nash's Suns was amazing to watch as a kid growing up 🔥🔥🔥
Yup, watching one man(Kobe) take on the first super team was awesome
💯🔥🔥first playoff series I remember as a kid
I remember how everybody thought the Suns were crazy back then and that the style wasn’t sustainable…lol, they truly were ground breaking
It's nice to see D'antoni finally getting his due. He's gotten a lot of hate over the years for never winning a ring but his influence on the game is undeniable.
He's sort of the Don Coryell of the NBA in that his teams never made it all the way, but his innovation paved the way for other future champions.
Coach knows so much about basketball he should be addressed as Dr. Coach D'Antoni
@@jeremyjones2485 I understand the point that you made. But it’s not one coach in the world that doesn’t need a star player to make there system work.
Imagine Mike D'Antoni on the Hornets with Lamelo as PG
He’d instantly have Melo putting up like 25+ ppg
@@nosmoke6556 with around 8-10 assists
@@winter9242 3 steals a game too
They still need better shooters but yeah Lamelo would be unleashed on a Mike DAntoni offense
Lamely is no Nash.
0:18 - ALEKSANDAR SAŠA DJORDJEVIĆ!!! SERBIAN LEGEND!! One of our best basketball players and our coach from couple of years ago. Props to D'Antoni for mentioning him.
*'07 Phoenix was the reason we started watching basketball*
Two reasons the Suns didn't get a ring during this era, David Stern suspending Diaw and Stoudemire and Sarver lowballing Joe Johnson with a 45 million dollar offer when JJ wanted 50 million. This is our year.
This is the best content in basketball… who else is interviewing Mike D?!?!?!?!?
Bro this man best years as a coach came when he had 3 of the best point guards ever. All those Guards were already good without him. Nash, Kidd, CP3 don’t give his style of play too much credit. You need a good PG to make it work. Why not boast about when he coached for the Lakers?? This style of basketball not all peaches and cream it won’t win a championship. Maybe if he learned to slow down and have at least one post up guy they would’ve beat the Warriors instead of missing 27 threes🤣
@@jeremyjones2485 don't care , Phil Jackson best years when he had the best shooting guards in the league
I talked to him before
@@jeremyjones2485 This style of basketball won't win a championship? This style of basketball literally won the Warriors several championships, bro.
He should take credit more. But when he acknowledged the player's big role, deferring to JJ, you know he's a standup guy. You have my respect good Sir
Lifelong Suns fan here. Love seeing this. Met D’Antoni at a diner in Phoenix when I was a kid and he was so kind.
He’s right at the end. Nash should’ve shot more. And the Shaq trade was stupid. Also, we sucked at defense and couldn’t stop the Spurs, Kobe, Dirk, etc. We could score and no one could stop us, but we couldn’t stop anyone else
If I remember right, the two seasons with D'Antoni where the Suns were at their best, they were actually around 14-15 in defensive effeciency, so it wasn't always terrible.
@@jeppelu wasnt terrible since they had marion, bell, even diaw is average enough for the perimeter defense but amare and nash even 6th man barbosa though are bad in defense that weakpoint is so obvious in playoffs.
@@artix003 For sure, but it was a nice team to watch and they definitely enjoyed playing with each other.
Stil bums me out that I had game 7 tickets for the series were Horry checked Nash into the scoreboard.
@@jeppelu and thats why Dantoni didnt win a title. That Suns team was going to win that year. Spurs have always been a little dirty.
Jiper is right- this Suns team is somewhat unfairly remembered as having an atrocious defense, when in reality they were average. This is because they allowed a lot of points per game in an era before analytics were the trend, so people looked more at raw point total than efficiency. They definitely weren't a great defensive team, but they weren't horrible either.
His portrayal in Game of Zones is my absolute favorite lol
Half the defense….DOUBLE the offense
@@tyrellthompson1228 "We could go small.."
"Mike, no."
@@NoName-cn3cp “….c’mon he fucked me in New York “
@@tyrellthompson1228 Bro this man best years as a coach came when he had 3 of the best point guards ever. All those Guards were already good without him. Nash, Kidd, CP3 don’t give his style of play too much credit. You need a good PG to make it work. Why not boast about when he coached for the Lakers?? This style of basketball not all peaches and cream it won’t win a championship. Maybe if he learned to slow down and have at least one post up guy they would’ve beat the Warriors instead of missing 27 threes🤣
@@tyrellthompson1228 What? He f***ed me in New York.
Used to love watching Suns games during this era with my Tata. Such great memories watching basketball with him. The Suns were so exciting to watch. Amare+Nash Pick and Roll. Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, The BLUR! Great times haha
I was a San Antonio fan from 97" til Manu Ginobili retired and I loved Watching my Spurs own those Sun's teams and those Phoenix fans cry 😢😢😢😢 they still haven't gotten over that til this day
@@jesuschristdestroysmarxism3916 how you guys doing now tho? 🤣
@@jesuschristdestroysmarxism3916 Oh I remember being LIVID When Nash got hurt in the playoffs and when Bruce Bowen checked him into the scorers table LOL Can't believe I remember that
@@devindillard1918 that was Robert Horry not Bruce
@@heyzuz they're not my team anymore I said I was a fan from 1997 when Tim Duncan came in the league until Manu Ginobili retired Manu ginobi is my favorite player of all time during that whole era is when I was a fan I'm not a fan of them now
I like that Coach didn’t even acknowledge the “trade up in the draft” comment by JJ 😂
Still so humble hope he gets a title one day he deserves it
Love listening to Mike D’Antoni talk. I bet he has a million good stories.
this type of stuff makes me wanna be a coach. dantoni is truly creative
I always love the mike d’Antoni suns they were my favorite team I loved the way they played
I was speaking about this with a friend recently, Nash ABSOLUTELY should have shot more threes! His efficiency from all levels was unprecedented! 43% career average from three point line while making the 50-40-90 club 4x! Larry Bird is the only other player to do it more than once and he accomplished it twice. What could Nash have looked liked with the ultimate green light to shoot?? 🤔
It's scary to think about. 🤔 I think he probably would've averaged mid 20s. Mightve had a few scoring titles but this was also when kobe was dominant and around. So it's hard to say.
Great interview!
My favorite coach, I was a fan of the team he was in everytime.
They say he's not a playoff coach but his team was just unlucky with injuries and suspensions in his coaching career. MDA deserve at least 1 ring.
Edit: I completely forgot about that referee Tim Donaghy. That 2007 series was rigged by him because he had a gambling addiction and placed a bet on the Spurs.
And had to coach during the Duncan Kobe era
@Scottie McCarthy yeah your that "person" I'm talking about. Rockets were up 3-2 against the Warriors until CP3 went down, it wasn't a coaching issue. Asking for Harden by himself to beat the best team ever assembled is too much to ask for.
Like I said, his teams were just unlucky with injuries and suspensions. Joe Johnson, CP3, Amare got injured, Steve Nash playing with a broken nose. Amare and Diaw got suspended.
Edit: he deleted his comment LOL
@@draspen the suspension was the dumbest thing ever.
@@draspen lmaoo i bet he made some uneducated assumption😂
But he did get outcoached by Pop routinely.
Coach D'Antoni needs his own podcast
PHX Suns had a good run from 2004-2007 with playoff appearances and Steve Nash winning regular season MVPs..The 2007 Suns had some unfortunate suspensions during the Playoffs..The Suns went to the Western Conference Finals in 2005 and 2006..
This is fantastic!!! I love this!!!
Mike is definitely a trail blazer
I use to go off with his Sun's in NBA Live 07😎🍻🍺
Str8 Lobs and crossover 3’s with nash. The first curry lmao
@@bruceprofitsTradesFutures lol how fast we forget,Eddie house was Exodia in that game too lol
@@duffman1876 Eddie House was a sniper when it came to shooting threes
Mike is just doing the right thing. If something is not working, you gotta keep on changing until you hit the perfect spot.
The Charlotte Hornets needs to hire Mike D immediately because his style is perfect for LaMelo, LiAngelo (who was the number 1 scorer in high school on the number 1 team in the nation), and Miles
Good interview
That Suns team was my squad back then. Still mad af about that Tim Duncan 3-pointer!!!!!
Real basketball fans know D’Antoni is a genius for pioneering this offense and still deserves a coaching spot in the NBA
It's crazy that it took the league so many years after Jack McKinney and Paul Westhead to finally embrace what D'Antoni later polished.
Quentin Richardson said those exact words about that Suns team on his podcast. The Joe Johnson episode he said they should never traded for a big man and never got rid of Joe and QRich and stay with the system they had.
Obviously Q-Rich thinks they should've kept Q-Rich, but tbh Raja Bell was an upgrade for what that team needed which was a 3&D guy. Letting Iso Joe go was clearly the bigger mistake. A starting 5 of Nash, Johnson, Bell, Marion, and Stoudemire would've had plenty of offensive firepower and 3 elite defenders.
@@drewdrewski4188 either qrich or bell doesn't matter. The point was they should've never gotten away from their system and slowed their game down by bringing in bigger players
Those Suns teams was my all time favorite basketball team-Nash, Amare and Marion were a MAJOR PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY!!
Best podcast ever!!
Good stuff
If I was Michael Jordan, I would hire him instantly and have Frank Vogel as associate head coach immediately!!! Melo Ball would be his greatest triumph!!
Mj would probably trade for russ, wont work with vogel.
Facts but he might go to Philly tho
This interview could've went on for 5 hrs this part was sooooooooo interesting
What an incredibly likeable guy
Great Vision
would like to see Coach get one more shot at a ring! he definitely deserves it
lol JJ's eyes lit up when Coach D'Antoni referred to him as one of the players. Love to see it!
He gotta be a head coach again. Very cool guy as well
Lol why when that style of basketball doesn’t win championships. If the Rockets could’ve slowed the ball down and post up a little then they would’ve beat the Warriors and made it to the Finals. Instead they chose to miss 27 threes😂🤣
@@jeremyjones2485 If CP3 haven't injured that series, they will be able to win the champs
@@jeremyjones2485 they had the warriors on the ropes and everyone in the league but luck is a part of skill.. everyone said that style won’t win and they had a really big chance to prove everyone wrong
@@jeremyjones2485 Bro this man best years as a
coach came when he had 3 of the best point
guards ever All those Guards were already good
without him. Nash, J Kidd, CP3 don't give his style
of play too much credit. You need a good PG to
make it work . Why not boast about when he
coached for the Lakers?? This style of
basketball not all peaches and cream it won't
win a championship Maybe if he learned to slow
down and have at least one post up guy they
would've beat the Warriors instead of missing
27 threes 🤣
That ending it's a great example of not taking the max out of an opportunity because of a lack of guts (the opposite of what Akagi and Kira does). Which makes you feel "what a damn shame!".
Steve Nash is legit a top 5 shooter of all time. If he was given the green light back then he would have put up 26 PPG like it was nothing.
His story of going 23-1 after benching his leading scorer because he didn’t guard and wasn’t efficient makes me wonder what would’ve happened if we would’ve benched our pg in LA 😬
Yea this is probly the most on point argument, most on point theory of the game of NBA today. The Suns since Nash is all we see on TV and that brand that •Stoudemire-Nash-Raja-Barbosa-TimThomas-Marion-GHill-Diaw• is modern Hoops, and all hoopers are doing what the Suns did 15-17 years ago.. Barbosa's weakish play was the liability, but it is watt it is. It was amazing to see those guys play how they played especially S Marion who really had that flicky shot style just do it their style but fast fast fast. Nash's Defense got exposed too. Sad. They were amazing, huge props to Dantonio's futuristic style of hooping envision. I gotta give it up to Mike, thanks for doing it man in Phoenix and Houston. You are so far the greatest coach in the NBA in this short beginning of the 21st century. You K.O.-ed Phil Jackson Mann. Increddd-ible. You made James Hardy a Man, you have prolonged CP3's career!, you probly blueprinted the Warriors b4 they became who they are, and look at Giannis' game.. You taught and showed that fast hard smart stylish basketball is the best brand of hoops.. Even a guy like Kawhi cannot keep up year in and out of this style. You put JJ Reddick out of business coach D.. Big cheers to you. It was honestly.. I would run to the TV to catch Nash-Stoudemire-Raja in action. See Raja was that glue, the anchor, his demeanor, I remember coach.. It was honestly.. Just straight up thanks for that team Mann.. It was so pretty watching that team. I should appreciate the Dubs more than I do and I will thanks to this episode. You hit 🎯 it JJ. 🧠
I would like to see Synder coach Philly with D’antioni as the offensive coordinator
2:21 Yeah, there's this too!!! The success of the team should be superior to a players success and numbers, his success should be a byproduct of the System working and him being well utilized.
But a players status end up being an additional pressure on the coach. And the part of the Assist. Coach yelling with him was pretty interesting.
This is a real coach , just like Phil , pop , Kerr
2006 suns, 2009 magic & 2011 mavs really changed how we look at basketball with move 4-1 & 5 out then 2016 warrior just took it to over drive
Warriors are different because it’s just shooters and skill
D'Antoni's suns were the original death line up
2:49 😂😂😂😂😂 me too, i'm kinda in the middle way, i try to be proud but not deluded (which is waaaay more harder than it seems).
The last part he said was so true. Nash had a deadly shot but didn’t shoot as much as he should have. If he would’ve took as much shots as Curry, they would’ve been the warriors before the warriors in a sense
regardless of what u think of him, d antoni makes the game fun. that suns team one of most entertaining ever
Well with due respect, it's obvious that the Warriors became "The Warriors" as we know them today because of the addition of Steve Kerr and Steve Nash (behind the scenes with Steph) bringing that final philosophy that coach D'Antoni speaks of from those Pheonix days to "The Bay".
I think JJ forgot D’antoni also coached those Harden Rockets teams😂
He's a brilliant basketball mind and trendsetter
Really hope he's the head coach in Philly next year.
His best came in when he was in Phoenix and Houston.
This is why coaching is often times a toss up unless you’re top tier innovative. You have to have the right system crafted around your players. If you don’t have the right players, your system isn’t going to work or you might have to to mix up your system. I’d say it’s more of the former than the latter though. In a system like Mike’s, you have to have the right mix and that doesn’t come around often. Like he said; without Steve, Amare, and the other guys, their success wouldn’t have happened.
If d antoni just focused more on ball movement off ball movement, and in general player movement and offensive variety regarding plays, then he'd be a truly great coach. What a shame. Changed nba history positively though. One of the absolute most influential coaches ever though
one of the most innovative teams ever
My depression goes through the roof when I remember the Nash era Suns.
JJ!!!!
And D'Antoni was also behind the Houston harden teams
With two vastly different styles - shows how tactically flexible MDA really is.
Redick was right about the pick & roll play between Nash and Amar. In order for the p & r to work effectively, the guard has to be able to shoot well from the outside. Nash was an excellent shoot from mid-range and behind the arc, so the defense had to be tight. This is something Westbrick never learned in his 13+ year career. Chris Paul is still an excellent p & r player because he is deadly from the mid-range.
Mike D’Antoni is the greatest offensive coach ever
class act
would love to see jlin on this podcast!
IMO Don Nelson deserves credit too. He was the first coach I witnessed use the run and gun offense. D’Antonio was the second coach to try this way of playing.
It’s funny how little people actually know about the history of the NBA. Mike D’Antoni wasn’t the pioneer or revolutionary that people make him out to be. In fact, it was Rick Pitino who first ran a fast-paced offense that shot a lot of threes with the Knicks during the late 80’s and very early 90’s. Don Nelson was one of the first NBA coaches (the other being Del Harris) to emphasize positional versatility in which guards played like forwards, and forwards and centers played like guards. But it was Rick Pitino who really emphasized the faster pace combined with a lot of volume three-point shooting.
@@johnbrowntheprophet you just gonna write this on every comment here? No one cares
@@Connor-wf2zn - Yes, I’m going to write it on every comment that mistakenly credits Mike D’Antoni for being the “pioneer” of the modern NBA game. He’s not. Guys like Rick Pitino and even Don Nelson were doing the exact same things that D’Antoni was doing 15 years before he did them.
@@johnbrowntheprophet I'm an old head and when I try to tell people stuff like this because, hellooo..I actually saw it with my own 2 eyes, they tell me I'm delusional. The Derek Harper, Blackmon Mavs consistently won tons of games, The Run n gun Nuggets,etc. The 73 win Warriors are somehow considered the best team ever in an era of no defense and high scoring, yet this years Suns won what, 8 games less with CP basically not playing 15 games or so at the end. No one is ever going back to playing D, the next team to win 73,74 will be called greatest team ever again without winning a Chip!!
Same thing is going to happen in the NFL with the chiefs and saints utilization of hybrid tight ends who can run catch block and sometimes even pass
Lol that trend started with antonio gates and tony Gonzalez my friend. The reason why there arent that many is because its a special position. They either want to catch or cant catch so they block. It will always be rare to find a tight end that can do everything and wants to do everything
@@justinbuckner4093 that’s what they said about power forwards and centers who could shoot. They were unicorns and now they’re everywhere. This is what I think will happen with Taysom Hill and pass capable tight ends
This man needs a documentary.
What about Don Nelson and Run TMC
Paul Westhead’s Nuggets teams tried it in the 80s. It’s all about timing.
In the thumbnail for Nash to be 5’11? He’s right there lol
Oh wow! :)) Saša Đorđević is a Serbian legend point guard,and later national team coach,coaching Jokić for Serbia :)) Cool to hear! :)
Innovative. With Nash at the healm, Amar'e quietly with a clipboard, Ky and KD getting buckets - and young Ben shielded by all the that with something to prove. Sheesh fr. Popcorn!
Interview stu Lantz the Lakers commentator. Or van gundy from abc
I want to see D'Antoni offense with current warriors team if Kerr ever decide to retire as head coach.
I think it's important that Mike brings the mustache back.
JJ u need to add clips when coach talks about certain things it'd be more informative to see what he's talking about
D'Ant🐐ti
I'm interested to see coach D with Lamelo
Is MDA wearing foundation?
8:02 It's a staple to ask this question but his contribution is a FACT, even if he denies it doesn't change this. If you take Kerr, Steph, Klay and GW revolution they didn't suddenly woke up one day thinking "i know how to revolutionize a sport that i don't know anything about!!!", they reached that high because they were sitting on the shoulder of giants.
P.S. Take just Steph Relocation for example, he had to learn every trick on the book before starting mixing up and inventing knew stuff (KG is another example of a player who knew every trick in the books but on the defensive end).
Linsanity could have gone 23 games too if the leading scorer didn't come back.
S.o to D’Antoni
Dude changed the game
Mid 2000s Suns were great. And Fun to watch.
Unfortunately, they always lose to either Kobe's Lakers or Timmy's Spurs in the West Playoffs