How Grievous Became a Devastating Lightsaber Duelist Capable of Killing Jedi Masters
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The Non-Canon Expert explains how the cyborg Grievous was able to become a devastating lightsaber duelist capable of killing Jedi Masters in lightsaber combat. - Zábava
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Grievous has always been my favorite character. Wish canon Grievous was as badass and competent as his legends counterpart...
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Thank you
Me too man
If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. For if any one element is lacking it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will ensure victory and have your trophy. -- Dooku to Grievous
Wise counsel, my student. Most wise indeed.
Neither RotS nor TCW showed just how deadly and terrifying Grievous truly was. While it seems like that was George Lucas's vision for him, I really disagree with it. I vastly prefer what we have seen in the Clone Wars micro-series and what we read in the RotS novelization by Matthew Stover, which will always put the movie to shame.
I must also say, I really love the new intro animation and the outro screen. Real quality.
Thank you very much for that IO, it is so great to hear that you enjoyed them! I hope they add a little bit to the videos. :)
Whoa, we are completely on the same path here IO! I was just saying on Twitter that the RotS novelization Grievous wasn't too bad, same with Labyrinth of Evil. RotS I could see, being at the end of a long war and post-Mace confrontation on Coruscant, but the Clone Wars series (2008 Canon) always felt like Grievous was a little underwhelming, at least in comparison with the other Legends stuff. Thank you for watching as always buddy, so great to be able to read comments again! :)
ImperialistOpinions in my opinion Grievous should of never started a battle with all four lightsabers, it should be like in the micro series, where it’s only something he uses for ether quickness like when he saw Mace or something he truly needed to do. Also I feel as though the series did his personality the best.
Too bad the microseries was literally meant to be BLATANTLY OVER THE TOP.
Like what do Grievous fanboys not GET about that. He absolutely cannot flip upside down and fight 4 Jedi masters with his fucking feet, one of whom being Ki-Adi Mundi. Nice try. YOUR headcanon isn’t Star Wars, he was completely overhyped in the microseries bud. Everyone knows this. Sure, he was portrayed relatively inconsistent SOMETIMES in TCW, in the 3D series, but his portrayal there is FAR more accurate and it isn’t even debatable…. Grievous was a beast, sure. But he was not in ANY way on the same level as the true master swordsmen of the era. He literally lived in the era of the greatest swordsmen in galactic history. He was not on Dooku’s level at all, Dooku literally toyed with him in their training sessions. Vader/Anakin, Yoda, Sidious, Windu, Maul, Kenobi, like the list of beings that exceed Grievous with a blade goes on and on.
Great intro, I remember the first time seeing Grievous in the 2004(?) series, halting his entire droid army and taking on the group of Jedi himself.
Grievous was more terrifying in the 2d animated clone wars than anywhere else!
Tom Cross in a kids cartoon where we saw literally a lot of BRUTAL scenes, like Maul beheading someone, and a lot of stuff like... someone getting impaled
Tom Cross oh
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At first I didn’t realize that one image in the thumbnail was mirrored, I just thought that Jedi was cursing loudly, which I thought a fairly appropriate response.
He is one of my best creations :)
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General Grievous But have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagues the wise
Sheev Palpatine is it a Sith legend?
Luke Halling it's something the Jedi wouldn't tell you.
It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.
This is quite a birthday gift to me Non-Canon Expert. Seeing you back again after a good while. It's great to have you back sir. 👍
Wow, your new intro and outro are amazing!
I had always wondered why the Jedi didn't just keep Force attacking Grievous into submission. It makes sense now that you explained it so well!
I'm so glad you are back making your incredible content!
Can't wait to see what you do next!
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Glad you're back! Thanks for starting off with the most under rated character in all of Star Wars
What if Jedi could never read the thoughts of General Grievous because the implantation of his cybernetics that he was oblivious to made it so that Grievous would not think but do. That way the cybernetics would do most of the work, analyzing the opponent's stile that Grievous would barely have to do anything. What do you think of this?
Makes sense to me
So the Jedi couldn't predict the calculations of Grievous' brain computer components? Interesting..
Dooku always had the most elegant saber moves. It was fun watching him duel.
Oh, man. You are BACK with greatness!!! Excellent video AND you referenced some of my favorite novels/scenes within novels! I love it! ❤ I think Grievous is so underused, and it's a real storytelling shame. He's one of the best "raw" villains the Star Wars Universe has. Maybe someday they'll know what to do with good characters. 😒😂😂😂
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He was already a skilled warrior before he got damaged and became a cyborg he became even more so as a Cyborg
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For "I guess that works too" then. Great video. Thanks.
The factor of not being a force user is almost as important his skill, this likely made Jedi more confident, when facing him, over confident
And when he began beating them it would push them to greater heights of fear and despair.
Love the new intro!
Genndy Tartakovsky's two-part TV show "Star Wars: Clone Wars" really showed how powerful, intimidating, relentless and deadly Grievous really was. For most of the fight he was more or less toying with his enemies, like a cat would toy with a caught mouse before killing it. He constantly kept changing his attacks, which repeatedly took his enemies by complete surprise. They were simply incapable of dealing with an enemy like him who did use lightsabers, but didn't adhere to any of the traditional forms completely. That and being hit by him was probably like trying to deflect a falling tree with a pool noodle.
The best Jedi hunter was taken down by one of the least force sensitive Jedi. Welcome back, my friend!
Vader was a bit better though
What a grand return! Glad to have you back!!
Awesome video. Glad to see you back at it. Hope you are feeling better.
Too bad they made him a complete chump in episode 3
Well, to be fair. He was gravely injured and he refused to even seek medical attention. If he did. He would have likely bested Obi-Wan but Order 66 would have never happened. As what Clone Trooper could bring down Grievous? Other than some Order that Palpatine implanted into Grievous's head to cause him to just shut down. Which was likely and maybe why Grievous was a 'chump', as you put it. All because Palpatine had greater plans and he did not want a Droid Army.
Qardo even if he was heathy i dont think he you could beat obiwan kenobi since obiwan is the master of soresu and look at that grievous is best at attacking grievous would lose almost all the time unless he can out smart him
Great to have you back!
Welcome back.
Grievous was a favourite of mine since the clone wars mini series, but the RotS movie didn't made him justice.
Although i wonder how effective he would have been against ancient Jedi and Sith.
I'm glad u are back and feeling better
This was great video, I always thought it odd that grievous had so many Jedi lightsaber. With all of those combat and perception enhancements, saber resistance armor and an encyclopedic knowledge and use of all the saber styles. He was practically designed to combat Jedi. Sick, too bad in revenge of the sith he took a page outta boba fett’s book, or since he came first wrote the book that Fett swears by called: “How to be a menacing badass while doing absolutely nothing and then be unceremoniously defeated.”
Great to see your back , I always enjoy you videos.
Good to have ya back!
That was well written! Well organized and argued, with no unnecessary repetition. I think you're making progress as a writer
“ Another fine video for my collection” and great video
IF NOT FOR ME.....
for coming back after 2 months!
Welcome Black also cool video
Grievous was no joke! That scene in the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon was Crazy, Ki Adi and Shak Ti survived somehow?
Awesome Video Dude!!!
Thanks for uploading, your videos just have that something I don't find in other starwars channels. This video was also very well made and detailed. I am excited for the return of your series such as that of Thrawn. Rest assured however, that at least 2 of the views of the serieses would be mine, srsly, I watched that 1 like 5 times now, 1 more time than I watched the whole prequels and original starwars movies
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Why not just pull the lightsabers out of his hands like Yoda did to Ventress? Is it because it wouldve taken a Yoda to overcome his cyborg strength? Would Grievous flee from Yoda?
The secret to defeating Grievous is to just block his lungs with the force
Love the new intro and outro 👍
Welcome back been awhile since I've seen you post something
9:51 "If not for meeee...for I guess that works too!".....did they forget to animate his light sabers? lol looks like he's making a heart symbol with his hand.....Awesome new intro man!
We love you making these videos. I guess that works too.
BTW. Loved the intro and outro, they were EPIC
also the intro is dope af
Cool new intro and very good video.
Loving the new intro!
Great video
I dig the new intro. Really slick. Cup o' coffee in te big time.
Welcome back!
I had really never thought about Dooku choosing a form best made for fighting others w/ lightsabers but thinking about it, it does make perfect sense for him to have chosen that style.
I've always wondered if Grievous would be able to play an upright double bass.
So glad to have you back!
P.S.: Why the re-upload?
Great intro:)
I left a like for you being back!
.....And....*For I guess that works too*
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I've missed several video! I need to caught up.
Welcome back
Grievous should have small shield generator like Droideka.
nice intro and 1st vid after long rest, other than soresu users i guess offensive style jedis need to use their environment to beat grevious
Great video! It also makes sense why Obi -wan could beat him, due his super defensive Form and Grievous just being used to go full offensive, he probably underestimated Kenobis ability to counter effectively :D
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lemme get more legends/2003 Grievous stuff in media
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Is it because he gots a bunch of stabby arms? I bet it’s the stabby arms.
Cin Drallig would kick his half machine ass :D
Hmm so my question then is...If he was so effective at jedi hunting (which we saw in the cartoon), why didn't the Seperatists just create more like him? Begin a whole process of augmenting races to adapt them to this type of fighting?
Probably not very cheap to do.
Because you forget that the Clone Wars was not a true war at all; just a giant smokescreen. Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time and if he didn't want a technology developed or to see action (by either side) he would feed information to the opposition and they would destroy it. Grievous was also intended as an iconic foe to rally the Republic against so to have more than one would be counterproductive.
+Schiendragon88 And exactly what you said too.
I was wondering what General Grievous look like in the human form and how his body got destroyed but his heart and mind stayed intact
You didn't mention this and I find that kind of odd but the fact he has such a reach advantage over everyone he dueled is a HUGE edge. Doesn't matter if where talking real life, fantasy, or galaxy in which lazor swords are the deadliest handheld weapon for some reason, reach advantage is still one of the biggest advantages you can have in a duel or on the battlefield.
Who would win in a fight? General Grievous?, or a Jedi Assassin?
One thing I wonder about . When Jedi fight non force users why dont they just use the force to lift the non force user high into the air then smash them on the ground or in grevus case lift him up and hold him in place and use the force to pull him apart. Certainly if they can lift heavy rocks thenvthey can pull his chest plates apart or remove his arms and legs and even his head
Use of the Force required intense concentration and if a super cyborg is running at u with four lightsaber then it would be hard to focus on the Force when u should be using your lightsabers and you forget the Jedi’s ability to use the Force in the Clone Wars had diminished significantly due to the shift in the Force toward the dark side
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General Grevous is a jedi killer Terminator
Video idea: Why do The Jedi seem to stray from hurling objects in combat? It seems to be a Sith technique. Vader in Empire and Dooku in Clones....We know Jedi could easily do it, but wouldn't?
If ran into a sith lord especially a ancient one he would be killed in seconds a big blast of lighting or a force crush before grievous could strike would be his end jedi never went far enough to insure victory
Aw ya, I’m such a bad ass.
and despite all of this, he gets defeated in minutes over and over.
Question is why coundlt they make a robot with these abilities thousands of them
Not to mention he was given midiclorains as an attempt to make him force-sensitive. It failed, but still, it's hard to think that didnt benefit him at all.
I truly believe that should the Separatists had been led solely by Grievous, away from all the scheming of the Sith, then the clonewars would have been much longer and possibly the CIS would have made a deathstar at the same time, before or some time after Palpatine, who in turn might not have formed the Empire and may not have done order 66.
Tl;dr version: Four Arms Beat Two. FOUR lightsaber beat just one.
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Nothing can stop the Empire!
Senate OP it is unavoidable.
So if anything this just proves Grievous died like a bitch and his death was fairly improbable
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Why didn't they make more people like him, or "upgrading" Darth Vader?
Vaders not a complete fool, and knew about Grievous and his Jedi Killing prowess. Why not upgrade himself to have surprise extra lightsaber arms or heck maybe rubber lining his suit or something to deflect Force Lightning?
I love how he would brag about being highly trained. Only to rely on pur mechanical rotations. Skill, huh?
Grievous was too OP!
I still find it a huge stretch that Grivious could beat a Jedi Master in single combat with a lightsaber.
First of all, love your content! You always can count with my like 👍.
Regarding the topic of today's video. I agree with your analysis, but I still dislike the concept of grievous, specially the way he is portrayed in every piece of media. I can totally understand why Jango Fett killed so many jedi, as he is shown to use methods that counter the force powers and even martial arts. Grievous on the other hand is simply a cyborg who uses lightsabers. I understand the augmentations to his brain, body, etc. But if that is what it takes, it makes me wonder why weren't more of him out there. I know his legends story, but was him the only warrior ever to hate the jedi? I don't think so. Besides the CIS wasn't interested in any subject's well being during those operations, if it survived great, if not then just look for another one. In conclusion the reason for him to best for users (story wise) are weak at best.
I don't get why it's weak though Grievous is basically one of a kind considering I can't name any Jedi haters as skilled as Grievous before his cybernetics? Besides most of the Jedi haters are dead or aren't nearly as skilled not to mention Grievous cybernetics were basically just testing material and why would people have more than one replica of a killing machine? It's the same argument on why you don't clone Jedi it's not only hard but its a bad idea if you have a limit of control over them that's why you have clones of Jango who can be controlled by Jedi while clone Jedi don't have much limits to control them
397 Llederson I'm sorry what? No enough jedi haters (as you describe them) have you not watch the clone wars? Not only were there multiple jedi killers, but also massive bounty hunters just willing to kill them for money or just for fun. Heck even in one of the episodes one of them say something like "who hasn't killed one (jedi) before". And that is from canon, if we go to legends there are plenty more. Not only thugs but also dark jedi. You mean to tell me that none of them would be willing to use augmentations, or even being tricked into become like grievous. The argument of cloning jedi is not the same, because cloning isn't the same as augmenting for a plethora of reasons like the time to mature, obedience, difficult of cloning, etc. (would be an essay by itself)
That's why the reason of the existence of grievous is weak. Besides if he was just a testing material and he became so prolific at what he was created... Again, why not create more. They already have the background work, which let's assume was a shot in the dark, that was a total success. There isn't a reason why not to replicate him.
What about Palpatine? Even if he would not replace Vader with a new grievous (refer to the canon comics for that scenario). Again why not have his inquisitors go through the process and kill jedi (by themselves) as they are supposed to. I like the design of Grievous, but his existence just makes the jedi look way more incompetent and contradicts the intention of George to portrait the "Jedi in their prime"
I have seen them and not a single one was anywhere near as skilled as Grievous was nor were they crime lords that drove species back and fought and killed jedi. Really tell me one jedi killer besides Cad Bane and Jango? The episode was the one where Obi-wan faked his death. Dude augmentation can only get you so far(Vader and Grievous are evidence for that) not to mention where are they going to get the resources and they need implants on their brains and Grievous is literally a prototype and there have been cyborgs before just not noteworthy like Grievous or a real threat. Creating cyborgs full of independent thought that could wreck armies and have genius level tactical skills? Do you understand how horribly wrong that could go? Like IDK a civil war. The inquisitors are suppose to be non threatening to him in power or skill. You realize those "incompetent jedi" solo armies every day and put up a fight or kill anyone that are basically huge threats to armies right? No to mention this is also when the Jedi's threats were just as deadly
397 Llederson "augmentations can only get you so far" your words and exactly my point. Besides, you mean to tell me that grievous was a tactical genius? I mean don't get me wrong, he wasn't stupid, but he wasn't clearly chosen because he was the best tactician, but rather (but not limited to) because he became a puppet for palpatine. He needed a bad fearsome guy to play villain while he gathered all the powers of the republic to his favor. Jedi were not soloing armies man, if that were true the clones would have not been necessary, nor would have they been executed by their own troops at that mass scale, but that is a different can of worms. So once again Grievous is OP and capable of killing jedi for sure. It was never my point to prove that he was lousy at his job. My point is, his existence just diminish everything else, in other words, how to defeat jedi masters at their prime? Use a cyborg without force powers is the answer weve got. Heck even look at his death! Obi Wan shot him while hanging with one arm. I know you will give me a nice "explanation" of why that happened, but still think about this. Why was no clone able to do what keno I did in that clear handicap. Things already happened on the show and movies the way they did, and he will always be a prolific jedi (incompetent jedi) killer. Oh and besides those jedi killers, what about the female bounty hunter who I legends was the padawan of the dark woman (don't remember her name), or Assaj Ventress, savage oppress, the night sisters, etc. I mean, grievous makes sense because they set him up to collaborate but that doesn't make him the only available option. Just an overly convenient pawn.
Grievous was a tactical genius you can't seriously argue against that he was a war lord that fought a species that was basically superior to them every way and despite that was kicking their ass. Tell me what kind of tactician could do that or do you think the Rebellion's leaders are also bad tacticians? Newsflash Palpatine was basically playing chess with himself and was the most clever person in that Galaxy do you want to imagine how easily he would have outsmarted our planet? Yeah but most high caliber swordsmen were soloing the armies did you not see the microseries? Clones were basically jedi killers hell their template was second to none in killing jedi but also remember that not all the Jedi saw it coming not to mention their abilities were explained to have diminished as far as sensing goes not to mention clones didn't really have killer intent or in other words feelings. Grievous existence diminishes nothing and correction bring one of the deadliest and smartest war lords in the Galaxy that is not a human with prototype cybernetics,train him with Dooku in both dueling and manipulating and watch as he wrecks the Jedi's shit that is easier than it sound. Obi-wan has the Force one of the first things explained in SW about the Force is that it helps you aim and shoot better than any computer add in the fact that Obi-wan has experience with blasters,Grievous chest was exposed and didn't have a lightsaber and was wounded by a force push that sent him flying and crashing into the equivalent of a steel wall and was hit with a electric staff and you have a dead Grievous no clone would have survived that long minus less wound him or kill him. Oh you mean Aurra Sing the bitch that lost to two near featless Jedi knight or the version of her that got wrecked by a jedi master in like 5 seconds and lost to a senator? Asajj's entire point is to never be powerful enough to help challenge Palpatine and she got wrecked by a poisoned and blind Dooku while ambushing with two nightsisters(stated to be the most skilled out of all of them),Savage was basically amped by Mother Talzin's magic to an insane degree why would they amp him more not to mention Palpatine would have found out and killed both him and Dooku,you mean the same nightsisters that got wrecked by the stupid,incompetent and idiotic droids and barely put a dent in them? Also remember the Separatist were never supposed to win the war and it's still a bad idea
obi wan beat Grievous
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And it was 12, 12 strikes a second. 3 rotations/swings with each limb.
ALSO, Dooku was NEVER “surpassed by Mace” not even close. He literally used to defeat Windu all the time before he left the order. BEFORE he became even stronger after falling ti the darkside and learning how to unleash his rage under Sidious. Like it isn’t even debatable Windu would’ve gotten clapped by Dooku if they actually fought a full 1v1 bout. He clapped him multiple times before he even became a dark lord.
what seperates you from stupendous wave, and star wars theory, is how LONG your videos are!, you can talk about the subject matter much more in depth, when the video is like 10+ mins, so hell. yes.