Why Echo is an Underdeveloped Mess
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- A review of the new Marvel series Echo. Essentially going into the mini-series major faults and some of it's positives. Echo is an American television miniseries created by Marion Dayre for the streaming service Disney+, based on the Marvel Comics character of the same name.
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I got so annoyed that Fisk was already wearing the white suit in the flashbacks. The whole point of Fisk wearing a black suit in DD season 1 is because he didn’t want to stand out while building his criminal empire behind the scenes. This version of Fisk really feels like a half-assed attempt to recreate the Netflix version while completely missing the nuances that made him such a great character in the Netflix version.
Ngl I haven’t watched a single mcu show since Falcon and Winter Soldier. That shit was so bad it permanently turned me of the mcu
You should give Loki s1 and s2 a chance. Definetly the best of the show
Every marvel show ranges from Hot garbage to mediocre. You're not missing much
Haven't missed much
Loki is good
@@Alex-qr8nwmay I recommend Hawkeye i a nice grounded show no beams or lights in the sky
The show could've definitely benefitted from more run time to flesh out everything it was trying to, but it didn't even make use of the run time that is already had.
You just described Zack Snyder’s movies
Yeah, what's the point of those flashback on hawkeye. We already seen them
@@nont18411 and pretty much the entierty of the current MCU including the films.
I think a huge missed opportunity for a great scene would be Kingpin explaining to maya why he had her father killed. As it stands we just don't have a reason for it. Also it would have been interesting to know Clint's connection with KP and why KP used him. Or you could have a scene with Maya's father and KP.
Also Maya's powers just suck. They are way too vague and I hate how she "resolves" things. It just felt like things suddenly ended without proper resolutions.
I wanted someone to die like biscuits so she could get really mad. Or her friend or grandma. Anybody. Supposed to be rated R but I feel like it wasnt true marvel spotlight.
When her grand mother got Maya power and hit the 2 guys, I laughed
netflix daredevil: heightened senses can sense the amount of bulletts in a gun rooms away and can hear emotions
disney + daredevil: cant sense that echo has a metal leg
?????
😂😂😂
Bro Echo was like a character speed run any %
They wasted the potential of the R rating, they had no limits. They could've explored dark and gritty style themes since Maya was supposed to be "involved" in Fisk Criminal Enterprise which was an opportunity to explore THAT world from the POV of a henchman instead of a Detective chasing the bad guys.
I had hopes given the mature rating, sadly this is like Mary Poppins tea party compared to daredevil or the punisher!
@@jjasper7512 See, now I'm seriously worried about Blade, Punisher, and Daredevil. At least now I know that even if they're R rated, it literally means nothing.
The problem is the show was NOT MEANT for a R rating. It was meant to be as plain as any other show they made. They changed it because DD is very popular among viewers, and they wanted to run among cocktails. It's false advertising
The fight between Maya and DD was SO cringe. Everything about it. The poor camera cuts and choreography, where its obvious they are missing each other constantly. Maya giving body blows with her bare fists to a guy wearing a body armor. DD smacking her left and right with his sticks and she just tanks them. Ridiculous.
Admit the only reason people even watched some parts of the show was because of Kingpin and Daredevil 😊
yep I'm just watching clips on CZcams
@@ladybabe6958 same 🤭
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these 2.
So I’ve noticed that Ms Marvel and Echo tv shows have an incredible amount of similarities especially when it comes to the development of the main characters and their powers/outfits
1)Generational/hereditary magic passed down to the females of the family
2)powers originate from another world
3)their ancestors were humanoid aliens forced out of their world
4)increasingly seeing visions of past generations
5)glowy powers
6)protagonist needs to have it explained by the elder matriarch who she hasn’t seen in years
7)minority characters
8)gifted their outfit by their family members
Dwight you ignorant slut !
If you look closely then everything they have produced after the endgame will check out most of the 8 points that you have made.
Only difference is that Ms Marvel was a likeable character, Echo on the other hand uhhh
Yep
@@L_Lawliet1907Maya is alright wyta
Yeah, I have been thinking that those two have similar premise. I mean most of marvel project too.
Did they write those using ai? Because it's only ai can do... replicate things
I was so ready for henry to call Maya out on endangering literally her entire family and town and then he sort of just... forgets and forgives her after literally almost being killed for her actions?? Proving him right? Maya didn't even have to reflect on how horribly she handled the situation and there was no real growth there, just artificial "no one was seriously hurt so who cares".
Literally I thought they were gonna go with Maya being a darker character who wants to rise in power against Kingpin but no
This is a prime example of oversaturation from Marvel. This is a TV show spin-off to a TV show, which sets up other TV shows. To watch the new season of Daredevil, you're going to have to watch Hawkeye, Black Widow, She-Hulk, Echo, and probably another 6-9 episode TV show. It's all too much.
That's alot of homework
thats a shame bc all suck except hawkeye
???????
@@mychaeljones7526 What don't you understand?
....and thats all on top of All three seasons of Netflix's Daredevil (39 episodes), but also the Defenders series due to taking place between S2 and S3 (8 episodes), as well as Season 1 of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist for context on that show (13 episodes each).
This show had so much potential and it was just... mid? Powers were left ambiguous, action scenes were jarring and poorly edited even though some of the choreography was great. The family drama was the best bit of the show. The conflict between Chula and Maya was nicely done and the genuine support of Skully was very good and realistic.
Dude the actor couldn’t fight and it showed. She’s slow because she not in very good shape and has no combat training. The camera just speeds up her punches. Go look at the fights, there was so much space between fighters.
@@Ceeboyforlife cry
I'm not sure what was worse, Echo or She Hulk. MCU really pumping out rubbish these days huh.
IIRC there was a comic book arc in which Echo did shoot Kingpin in the head, but I think that resulted in more debilitating effects (I think he was temporarily blind?) other than him wearing an eye patch
Yeah, Maya blinded Fisk in comics
@@user-gl2nw4sx1m ok thanks
I was hoping the show would be at least 8 episodes. Where the first half would be a prequel to Hawkeye, and deal with her working for fisk and having run ins with daredevil, whereas the 2nd half would be the consequences of shooting fisk. On top of that the poorly developed powers were so jarring. Itd be cool if only maya was affected by the powers in terms of having more focus and reflexes rather than sudden super strength. And man was it off putting when the grandma and bonnie also gained powers...
when the grandma got powers i just laughted
She was cooler without them.
In short: In the comics Fisk is Maya's father, they have eliminated this and without this there is no reason for Echo's existence.
Long time fan of the channel here (I was there for the 12h of Cats). I'm really glad to see your channel up and running again. It was heartbreaking to see you getting hacked.
Fisk coming back in Echo is like "Somehow Palpatine returned" except we already know he will come back. That patch did not make up for the anticipation we had on the Hawkeye series. Did not even showed Fisk's plot armour.
I think a good metric to judge these Disney plus shows is whether or not they justify their existence as a television show. Or if they end up being movies that are unnaturally stretched out over several episodes. Unfortunately, echo is the latter even though, I did want to enjoy it and I do feel like. It had its moments.
I think it's amazing that the Choctaw tribe got to have this kind of high level production representing them. And that Alacqua Cox got the chance to portray this character alongside Vincent Dinofrio as Kingpin, and the true to form Daredevil cameo; those are things to be grateful about at least.
Great review. sadly, many over trying to overrate it by saying things like " It's better than Secret Invasion and She Hulk." as if that's saying something.
Honestly, as much as She Hulk is ass, Echo and Secret Invasion are the far more insulting shows due to having immaculate potential (unlike She Hulk) that Disney either failed to harness or didn't bother grabbing at all.
@@ragingshibe I agree
Don't know if you'll see this, but I just wanted to say how happy I am that you've returned to making videos after the hack. I was unsubbed because of the deluge of scam videos, but noticed today that you got the channel back, and I instantly resumed my subscription. Looking forward to all of your future videos.
if arya stark had her own series in today's world:
The argument that the show needed more run time is patently stupid. More scenes of people standing around explaining things is not going to make this show any better.
Echo isn't a " fresh character" she's been a character since 99
I was shocked as adults Maya and Bonnie only really had one scene together where they talked.
Biscuits was cool. Daredevil and Kingpin were Great.
I did like Echo tbh. Would like to see her again.
Not great tho.. She Hulk is still the worst MCU show ever. I would even take super boring Iron Fist season 1 over She Hulk lol
I enjoyed the show overall, the last episode had me cringing. I like the show more so, cause I am American Indian. There were a lot of jokes and references, that were inside that only reservation Natives would understand. For example, in the dinner scene, 4th episode, I laughed hard when Maya served Fisk Shasta Cola. This is a reservation thing, that more than likely went over many people's heads.
Looks like it missed 6 episodes
How she got shot?
How she supose to took control over fisk empire in oklahoma?.
Why Wilson fisk is free after thr end daredevil season 3?.
Where is Vanesa?.
Why the bad guy wanted to shot an rpg?.
Where his cousin get that monster truck?
Etc looks like 6 episodes are missing
He isn’t free after season 3 cause the Daredevil show isn’t mcu canon anymore. He got shoot by Echo in the last episode of Hawkeye but he survived that’s why he’s alive and free in the Echo show
@@Nick-ch5rl its confirmed.mcu cannon..now its even in the Sacred timeline
@@FULANODETAL okay sry last update I’ve heard is that it isn’t even if it is now it’s still completely different from the story and vibe and they should finally decide it they wanna do a sequel or reboot the whole Daredevil stuff cause it’s getting annoying and confusing
@@Nick-ch5rl its on Disney+timeline between iron man3 and bo
@@Nick-ch5rl last.update..disney filmed 9 episodes and was so awful they decided to start again..and Charlie Cox screaming at the 2 shehulk writters.snd those writters calling him toxic..and getting fired
Honestly I’d give the show a 6.5 out of 10 mostly for the new information I’ve learned, but I agree that the show needed more episodes.
I have heard rumours the show was longer but got chopped a bunch and reshot over and over again. It also doesn't help that these Disney+ shows don't have showrunners nor are they preplanned.
Bro really hates the audience. Wishing MORE Echo on them is cruel and unusual. The Hawkeye scenes should have been cut entirely. Recap episodes are an anime copout everyone skips over. We don't want more of it. And if they can't properly cover all of these "story elements", then they have too many of them. Cut those story elements entirely and properly fill out the ones worth keeping. More Echo isn't the answer. The answer is a simpler Echo.
I like the show more than you do, but I want to thank you for doing a "good faith" review.
This show was absolutely amazing I sat down and watched it all why are people complaining I really think most of you that hate and complain have some major issues like it’s a move/tv series just sit and enjoy it I’m from Oklahoma so this whole series really hit home with me I think it’s one of the best projects they’ve put out in a while tho that’s for sure
@@peterhanson3472 Finally, someone who speaks English.
@@peterhanson3472 The Black Panther movies you say!?
I know it's not fair to say something hollywood is producing will be shit just becausd they focused all the marketing on diversity, minorities and whatnot. But at this point, it's been the case so many times and for so long, the next characters they advertise like that are probably doomed no matter how good the actual movies/series are.
I haven't seen this show (apathy for MCU) but going on the info in the video, wouldn't it be so much more interesting if the show was about adult echo meeting fisk and developing into his creature as an adult? This avoids the retcon of her not being in daredevil and the real tension of the show is whether she'll continue down a dark path or if she can rekindle her relationship with her family. Just a thought
Please do an analysis of the later seasons of TWD and the state of the franchise over the last few years
Your thumbnail is my reaction as well
I don't think I could even make a good drinking game to this.
I like your commentary. Agree with a lot of it. Just wanted to say that people do survive gun shot wounds to the head. The brain is a very complicated organ. Some parts are absolutely critical for vital functions. Other parts less so. They could have given him some kind of aphasia or something. But still. I think people are overstating the impossibility of survival. Not all bullets are high calibre that expand on impact.
They made a big deal about having a native actress , and sure she's the lead. But there was none of that cringe support when Amber Midthunder was in Legion. A infinitely better show.
Who
Kingpin deserves better
Would you please review Marvel Daredevil S1 please 🙏
The problem with killers of the flower moon is it’s from a euro-perspective. A better show to watch is little bird it’s more than 3 hrs. But it needed to be. Like this show needed to be.
1:46 IS THIS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, or the show or my screen is too dark? 🙄😵💫
I had never heard of it
What’s your name on letterbox??
I watched 4 episodes and thought it was good so far…..
HE GOT HIS ACCOUNT BACK
No sh!t sherlock xD
4:50 HE HAS TWO BANDAGES ON HIS EYES IN THE COMIC BOOK PANNELS????
Havent seen Echo but i thoufht the netflix daredevil continuity was supposed to be seprrate from the mcu. So by all accounts, this isnt the same fisk
I wish that were the case. But the Netflix continuity is still canon to the Mcu. But imma just pretends it ends with season 3
Multiverse bullshit makes it so anything marvel related is MCU it’s garbage
Disney confirmed Netflix is Canon. They even added the Netflix shows to the MCU timeline.
Did people really expect something great from a show about a character nobody cared about?
Nobody cared about the Guardians of the Galaxy before their movie
I believe they did make 8 episodes but decided it was unreleasable..it had major reshoots and dropped hours of it..and it shows.
That show could had be so fucking good but Marvel blew it (again). The had actors like Graham Green, Tantoo Cardinal and Chaskey Spencer and did nothing with them. They had the chance to explain things from Hawkeye and insert Maya to Daredevil lore. Oh what a waste... Anyway I really hope we see Maya again in (hopefully) Daredevil. I liked the potential of the character and I really liked Alaqua Cox.
I don't even know this existed
only MCU fans do
Nobody did
12:17 I disagree comparing this to something else is trivial and this show is fine enough to watch.
Thank you for saving me the time I would have wasted on this show.
I strongly disagree. The show felt like it was stretched so thin with so many scenes that only existed to extend the runtime. By the time the show ended, it felt like nothing had happened.
9:24 She doesnt need to show extensive battle wounds that maker her more vulnerable, because she isnt a weak person. She has wounds she has injuries, she has vulnerability. Youre just so pre-occupied with a "What if" scenario.
Matt isn’t a weak person in Daredevil either, yet we’re still allowed to see his vulnerable side and how sustainable he is to injury. At the end of the day he’s just a man who can get hurt and die like the rest of us, and it really feels like he’s one individual against an entire crime organization. Echo just has Maya’s major injuries brushed off like they’re nothing and doesn’t give off a sense of urgency or tension from what should be a massive conflict. So I ask, what’s your point?
when u can’t js watch a show and have to find smt to complain abt it
73rt score - 43rt for secret invasion
Leaving the show disappointed and wanting more. Yup, that’s pretty much how I feel in all honesty.
Echo is basically Arya after coming back to winterfell, grumpy and annoying.
If you didn't make this video I wouldn't have known echo existed😂
Forgot to resub after the hack
Time to catch up
IDGAF about echolocation or whatever this video is about; but bats are cool. This channel is also cool so best of luck recovering from the recent decimation!
The views will improve soon
Well don't worry, it seems that, at least for me, the algorithm boosts your videos
I guess I really didn't miss anything.
the mcu never fails to disappoint
I don't see myself watching anything Marvel anymore because it has become a StarWars-like complicated franchise.
On top of that, the people on big chairs don't understand what to do so they're all flailing like a dying chicken and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
Somehow this show budget was 160 millóns
40 million
@@skychieftain serious doubts. More whith the Epic reshoots..and cgi .
The magical elements took away any edge or sense of tension the show coudlve had. Couldve worked but it was way too short. And too pg 13. Aside from a few scenes, the tone was pretty average MCU flair
the way new marvel shows r directed feel so much worse and less real compared to back when daredevil came out
But was it devoid of logic?
No young Thanos movie, but this?
dude, I'm gonna say this once
Nobody cares about spoilers when it comes to Marvel shows and movies
Most people that watch reviews of you tube have zero intention of checking out a marvel shitshow
Marvel give it up
The show NO ONE wanted and the show NO ONE asked for
I don't wanna watch this show, not only that they made the netflix shows canon which takes a lot more hours of hw, instead of having fun with the netflix shows as seperate marvel shows. And also the show is so short, that it's uninteresting to even watch the show on the first place, from the annoubcement of this show itself, also this show is super unecessary, that they could just explore echo's character elsewhere, not needing her own show, same as agatha, they're getting the star wars treatment where they make other side characters who ppl have no expectations to have a spin off show, actually have a spin off show that is completely unecessary and not the best decision marvel or disney has ever made.
Agatha has more potential
We can learn how she got her hands on the darkhold in her series and what happened to her after MoM
3:54 Maya is used the same as Dex from Season 3. Maya is being used ten years after 2008?????? 2008 is Dex????????????!!! MAYA IS A KID U DUNCE.
Wrong, Daredevil S3 takes place in 2017. Stop being such a simp for this show in the comments. It’s annoying.
The show would of been better with more episodes
congrats on account recovery
it did better than secret invasion and didn't get a rotten tomato- haters gonna hate- it got hit with financial problems- this was during chapeks run
Channel alive.
And I had high expectations of this show...
Stop, they not messs!
It sucks. Episode 1 was good. The rest boring and underwhelming as hell. Her powers are the dumbest I've seen yet in the MCU
She gets super strength??
Sort of. Native American powers to put her fingers on your head and look into your past, and she can give other people powers like her grandma! Pffft 🤣 so dumb!
Bro you have sometimes the opinion same as men of culture
Yeah it could of been a stronger show, but a lot of the editing boggled down the story tbh.
I'm pretty sure I wasted my time watching Echo trying so hard to love this series. The writing is so fucking stupid. I prefer kahorri's story as a native heroin. Kingpin didn't save this series either.
I am not a Fisk fan, Maya will get better so will the script, this is Marvel.
IS ANYTHING from the MCU anymore? ANYTHING????
Please read daredevil #9
@@Renegadetev1why
It needed 0 episodes
The MCU got too successful that they lost the motivation to please the audience.
this show was good.
who in God's name thought this would be anything other than objectively awful?
People still expect good products from Disney? Lol
Frozen 3, Moana live action and possibly an encanto series are coming.
So yes, good products can be expected from Disney.
@@sanjaykarthicks1226 keep those lips nice and moist glazer
echo who?😂
To be fair, the gunshot to the head and return is similar to what happened in the comics.
that doesnt mean its good
Thats about it with what’s similar this show has almost nothing to do with the comics
It's a shame, cause Echo is a really, REALLY interesting character