The Meltdown of Disney Plus
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- A video essay diving into all the problems behind the scenes at Disney Plus from Marvel not hiring showrunners to the cursed production of Secret Invasion, on top of analyzing the core issues of Disney+ and their content strategy with the MCU and Star Wars.
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Chaos Behinds the Scenes (0:00)
Overall Issues for Disney Plus (8:35)
Optimistic Future Outlook (20:14) - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Seeing a supercut of Disney failing certainly was a delight.
Some might say, a Super Delight.
You sneaky, clever viewer. I like what you did there 🤠
Nah
Why
Well know delightful enough. They must fail more until they go bankrupt.
The shows not having a showrunner actually explains a lot
Sick pfp bro
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Disney were too obsessed with flinging as much shit at the wall as they could, to see what would stick, that they didn't stop and think, "Hang on, why are we flinging shit?"
Disney Plus redoing "boring" ECHO series cutting Ezra Miller parody, MMIW, what Skin Walking is and where the missing Native American women went
you dont understand the point of TV. The point of TV is to sell merchandise. Black Little Mermaid doesn't have to do well in theaters, they now can sell a ton of Black Little Mermaid merchandise to a whole new demographic
and no black people did not ever care about little mermaid
This made me laugh out loud. So true!
The problem is that Disney+ was a fundamentally flawed concept and part of the reason why individual streaming services as a whole are in trouble. They saw Netflix and thought "why can't we do that ourselves?"
But they got the formula backwards. Netflix got big off a diverse library and a few incredibly high quality original shows. They only started flooding the platform with Netflix Originals AFTER making it big and getting the revenue to fund it. Disney+ went straight to flooding the market with sub-par content and their library just too limited on its own.
True but Disney already had massive brand recognition. I don’t know if comparing it to Netflix is apples to apples. I think it’s more to do with the marvel formula (and Star Wars) running dry because the new characters don’t have years of investment to fall back on
@@simbolicdunksman1746 It's not the years of investment per se, although it doesn't help. It's that the new characters are set up as fantasy people having fantasy people problems.
Look at the first phase. Thor was a fantasy family drama not too far the kind of thing you'd see in Game of Thrones, with Loki as this chaotic anti-villain who kept making mistakes on trying to correct his previous grievous mistakes and going more and more insane. Tony Stark was a brilliant invenor and billionaire who became a superhero once he was forced out of his bubble to see how much of a negative impact his company had on the world. Captain America? WWII-era kid who became an heroic icon just trying to do the right thing.
Simple. Human. Relatable.
Now it's all legacy characters and multiverses and people who went through soooo much weird shit no human can comprehend. There's nothing for an audience to grab onto.
Personally I think that just as the people from Midnight's Edge said, it seems like the streaming wars are just another format wars, but worse. Before there were the wars between VHS and Betamax, DVD vs BluRay and usually the jist was that people could choose a better but more expensive format vs the cheaper but worse alternative, with the plain leveling with digital releases from iTunes or Amazon. However, Netflix was never a true competitor to companies like Blockbuster (at least not on their internet streaming service) but instead it was a competitor to pirate sites and illegal downloads. Sure, Netflix was somewhat inconvenient when it came to their catalogue, but there was no downside on having to scan constantly the downloaded files or websites for viruses.
After Netflix consolidated as the main streaming site, it arguably became a loss leader format that Hollywood would never be able to keep up as profitable as the old physical release model, but at least it was reliably making money (even if it was way less).
Ever since Disney decided to go balls deep in the streaming industry it signed their own death warrant and Hollywood's as well since the industry would unavoidably go from massive profits to huge losses. The pandemic only blinded them on a false sense of confidence in which they gambled the whole farm and unsurprisingly once things went back to normal all started to fall apart.
Nowadays the lack of perspective from the losers at the accounting and innovation departments of these huge corporations have made it so that there is no good way to enjoy content without using pirate stuff. I mean, just look at CZcams. The premium app only allows downloaded content to be viewed if there is an internet connection, rendering the function completely worthless. Netflix for some reason has games even though most gamers have a dedicated console which in turn not only has great releases but things like game pass makes this service even less useful.
In the end, it always is a distribution problem, not a pricing one. If these companies were keen on distributing their contents in more than just one way (streaming) and instead allowed more people to buy just the content that they want, they will not end up the way Blockbuster did.
As a parent of small children, you couldn't be more wrong about them not having the content to back up a platform. Pulling all their content off other platforms and putting it on their own was a gold mine. Making new content exclusively to draw more interest? That was a waste. Considering they bought Hulu the same year, though, they should've just put all their content on Hulu which already had a huge market share, or maybe pulled a "Max" and rebranded Hulu.
@@simbolicdunksman1746 Disneys brand recognition is being known as the company that kills franchises.
Good, it pleases me that Disney is suffering these days
Their woke propaganda is destroying their company
@rektz2457 it's probably the low quality content along with making way too many marvel spinoffs go outside and touch grass snowflake
How odd. For me it's quite the opposite. It deeply saddens me that the studio that has created so many classic films that shaped me (even tho I always thought DreamWorks was better) has devolved into something like this. I watched both fantasia movies for the first time recently and thought to myself: Disney wouldn't think of doing anything like this today
Why do people go online and write the equivalent of a blank, balled up sheet of printer paper? This opinion shows such a lazy and intellectually crippled thought process that even after 30 years I'm still shocked when people waste their time writing something so pointless.
They should have tried to do something other than mediocre SW and Marvel stuff.
To be clear. Wanda's villain arc in Multiverse of Madness didn't make sense to people who DID watch WandaVision.
Honestly 😭
Funny enough it made more sense if you had watched Agents of Shield where there was a whole season whose lesson was “the darkhold corrupts everything it touches”. Explaining her becoming evil after that post credits scene where she’s reading the book.
Good to know…and kind of a shame. I actually like MoM, but it was definitely flawed on a lot of levels
I liked Doctor Strange 2, but I agree with you. Do you want kids Wanda? Get a husband, and take him to bed... 😂
So it's just idiots who didn't understand something so simple in Wandavision & Dr.S 2 lol. Gotcha
Love how adamant Disney is about not properly planning out releases of their biggest IPs (Marvel, Star Wars). Starting with The Force Awakens, they really just seem to be winging it by banking off of nostalgia and name recognition to garner acclaim and revenue.
Honestly The Force Awakens was a genuinely good start to the trilogy and left a LOT of potential. Far from a perfect film but still a good Star Wars film
After that you’re right they absolutely fumbled the bag. Turns out all the stuff they set up in The Force Awakens they had no answer to. They needed someone (who wasn’t an idiot or corporate pos) to oversee the trilogy and string it all together with a team of writers beforehand so you at least have some idea where it’s going
Pretty sure Kevin Feige had plans for the general Avengers overarching narrative almost a decade before Endgame
@@MacTac141it was a very safe start that copies a new hope I would say revenge of the sith was better even then it
They didn't really set up anything. They HINTED that there was a story, but never really developed anything of note. Mystery boxes were used as an excuse as to why the story was being made up as they went.
@maclain728 a carbon copy of the first film was lazy and killed any momentum they had. The other two failing to launch wasn't surprising given how poorly thought out their opening movie for their trilogy was.
It's so crazy that the big takeaway for Disney is "after wasting billions of dollars and about five years of your time because we have no idea what we're doing, we finally decided to hire people with experience in TV who know how to do TV"
It's like the owner of a failing restaurant saying "after careful consideration, we've finally decided to hire chefs and get rid of our packet mashed potatoes"
Doesn't matter how good the quality is, five MCU shows in one year is ridiculous. The fatigue is unavoidable.
Totally agree. It's like going to a buffet the first 2 plates are great and the 3rd you've had your fill. The 5th you're sick of food.
Sounds like you guys weren't real fans then.....you're saying what literally no true fan says, you're just regurgitating what other people who arent real fans say. How many comics are released every year about the same comic hero/group? More than what comes out and the true fans are asking for more...still, after 50 years you still have fans asking for more but here you fake fans are saying its over saturated...
I used to hate hipsters, but at least they were actually into it instead of just faking it. Now we have fake hipsters who arent even cool enough to be individuals,just followers.....which is why they say fatigue, you're just fake and don't really like it. But since its the only thing "original" you still go to see it like you read every comic first....I have fan fatigue, not marvel fatigue.
@@jamesmeppler6375buddy, no one you’re responding to said they were real fans, or fans at all. You need therapy
Hey Google, define "no true Scotsman"
@@jamesmeppler6375I just turned 30, been a comic book need my whole life. MCU fanboys like you probably don't even know half the characters they've messed up. These studios screw over established IPs for a quick cash grab. Plenty of fans are tired of seeing things they like, destroyed. If you wanna shove your woke agenda down peoples throats, at least do it in a fun, new way.
They made a Disney streaming platform and then somebody had the bright idea to not put all the classic Disney movies on it, they could've made money off people just watching the old movies but then that would mean nobody watching the new stuff...
Nobody watches the new stuff either
Same for certain Disney shows like Aladdin,Tarzan, Buzz Lightyear, and House of Mouse.
Though to be fair, I wouldn’t blame anyone if they were unaware the formers, especially the Tarzan series.
what old movies have they not put on Disney+?
@@TheBarber5550I'm curious as well. I don't have Disney+, so I assumed they dumped their ENTIRE catalog into the service overtime, if not immediately.
That would be so petty to charge for old classics lol shit like that should be free.
Disney getting into the streaming game JUST as oversaturation was beginning to bloat the market and failing is levels of irony I'd never thought I'd see.
Disney and the MCU need to take a step back, slow down, and make things more streamlined.
you had me until you said "make things more streamlined". they need to take a moment to figure out what the hell they're trying to do, what their vision is.
@@TheBarber5550this is real. The MCU is just a mess rn. If you compare it to Loki you can really see how actually having a vision and going through with it is something Disney is trying to ditch to get more money.
@@ot7biasedmashups I wonder how old Walt would feel about his company shoveling shit to it's audiences. He's probably rolling in his grave.
@@TheBarber5550 Walt? He'd be pissed at how the company is losing market share, not at the bad quality.
Good old Walt was a corporate A-hole. Albeit a competent one.
@@TheStephaneAdam fair point, I'm sure he's still rolling in his grave
I think you've got a good point on the marketing perspective of characters for Star Wars and the addiction to recognition. That said, they could have leveraged that earlier in their run by properly passing the torch, rather than torching the past. Fans love is willing to transfer to a new generation of heroes, and you can build up a cast of characters we'd want to follow on further adventures in both movies and tv.
Star Wars IP is probably one of the most expansive IPs in movie history, yet Disney is completely oblivious to that fact and just remain stuck to the past.
@@Sizifus^^this is what makes me both hopeful and nervous. There're so many good stories to tell within the star wars universe, but I also desperately don't wanna see anything else tarnished
That'd require talent.
The strike did more good for the studios than people may think. They were able to get out of a lot of contracts
That was a long and accurate way to say, Disney is morally and creatively bankrupt
The editing in this video is excellent 🔥🔥🔥
I just watched Mauler's video about Dr. Strange's sequel and the whole "hey we know you just wrote this script buuuuut we're changing directions so you'll just have to write the new script as we go along because all the sets and actors are here thaaaanks" seems to be a thing with Marvel movies/shows and it explains A LOT.
Star Wars (and Pirates and the old Disney movies) are the only things keeping me on Disney+ rn. They really need to step up their game
i think the perfect example of the perfect movie in terms of quality and budget in recent history is Spiderman into and across the spider verse, as into the spider verse cost 90 mil to make and it successor cost 100 mil, that is on average 100 mil less than most Pixar (which is owned by Disney) and Disney animated films. And spider verse is written and looks waaaaay better than the latter, at least within the past few years.
the worst part is, i watched Wandavision and even i am confused why she is a Villain, like wasn't the lesson she learned that she was hurting people to the point that they actually wanted to die?? i'm pretty sure that was why she set them free, she didn't think her powers did them anything but unsurprisingly having people be enslaved in their own mind is fucked up and makes them want to die..
if not for the tiny little end credit scene where she is reading the evil book that i can't remember the name of then i would be completely bewildered, it's so weird that the show as a hole teaches a lesson and shows the character learning that lesson only to then completely 180 in 20 sec during the end credit scene, but even then i thought she would just try to will them into existence or like reanimate some still born babies into becoming those kids or whatever, not try to destroy universes and kill anyone along her path just to get her kids like thats so dumb when previously she stopped as soon as she realised she was hurting people and she didn't want to do that, but now she has no qualms about possibly ending multiverses and all it's inhabitants or to kill their most important heroes which will undoubtedly cost many lives down the line.. it the worst writing i have seen in a long while, worse than Luke suddenly being a gremling that would kill his own nephew cause of a freaking vision which he should know is really unreliable.
Thanks for this video. I have always *hated* comic books because of their lack of cohesion, ever changing stories and plot lines and never-ending new characters. Now I do love some Marvel movies, which may sound like a contradiction but in reality I liked them because they had interesting plot lines, with flawed super heroes and so on...
Disney plus has tons of Echo footage, the test screens call it "boring"
They're trying to chop up the footage, do reshoots, cameos and cut topics they can't cover like MMIW, the Ezra Miller character (Doomcock/SheHulk style) and what skinwalking is (the white handprint on her face)
I feel that superhero fatigue is a real thing.
It's the same reason why genres trend throughout decades. Crime noir was extremely popular at one time. Westerns were also incredibly popular. Than in the 90s we had action films like Speed and Die Hard.
There's a reason these big grossing genres don't remain popular throughout the decades. Saturation is one of them.
The funny thing about those genres is that we occasionally get popular movies and series in those genres,
Shockingly they are often great,
The mcu both has too much content and often has far more messy quality now due to crunch time on these shows being churned out so fast
It's funny, the problem of too many characters/plotlines is the exact same problem comic books have had for decades. I remember years ago when Spider Island came out, it looked super cool so I decided to read it. Then I discovered that the actual main issues in The Amazing Spiderman only told a fraction of the story, and I'd need to read issues from TEN other series to get the complete picture. It's like this for every major comic book event, both in DC and Marvel. And that's why both companies usually do full-on universe reboots every decade or so. Things get so convoluted that casual readers who otherwise might have been interested give up on the prospect, simply because they have no idea where to start.
Disney is making new company mistakes with big company money.
Who know how they thought this was okay, but I'd bet arrogance is a part of it.
I've been a big fan of Willow since I was a kid, and I was super excited (though, with it being Disney, still hesitant) to see it getting it's own show. Hell, in my nearly 3 decades, I've only met maybe 2 other people who have seen it, and I bring it up fairly often since it's one of my favourite movies. I was shocked it got a show, with such a budget no less!
So, that said, I was going through a lot when the show was coming out, and wasn't able to tune in weekly, but I was looking forward to catching up on it. Imagine my gd surprise when I go to watch it and it suddenly is nowhere to be found on the website. I'd only seen the first three episodes, and while it hadn't quite felt like getting a sequel, I was curious to see where it went. Thinking, maybe, if anything, this would get more people to watch the original.
Just gutted over the whole thing tbh.
Who would have thought that making a bunch of mass produced, low quality, uncreative and repetitive tv shows with star wars or marvel plastered over them was gonna fail over time?
I still remember just four years ago I would go to movie cinema religiously for every single marvel movie knowing it will make my time worthwhile. Now I don’t even bother watching any 10 minute recap videos for any marvel content on CZcams let alone going to movie theaters for them. What a magnificent fall that Disney has managed to achieve, i almost gotta hand it to them😂
I just realized from you that Marvel and other streamers made me forget about pitching PILOT episodes to execs and the concept of show-runners! That is actually very sad. Game of Thrones wouldn’t be what it was if they didn’t have a pilot episode. They are so badly managed that I forgot about these very simple concepts in the tv industry!!! It makes me mad thinking about it.
Imagine if they had... I don't know. Some sort of storyboard with ideas of what to do instead of figuring out stuff themselves.
Doing Willow without Val Kilmer was such a huge mistake. Since Val was unavailable because he unfortunately can’t speak anymore, the possibility of a revival should have died then and there.
I may not like the guy as a person but there is no Willow without Madmartigan and trying to pretend like it can work without him is fucking stupid.
He can't talk? Damn. I knew he had health problems but I didn't know it was that bad
@@mr.awesome6011Like I'm pretty sure that the only way he can talk is through AI now.
His throat cancer was really bad unfortunately. I may not like the guy as a person but losing your voice as an actor is a death sentence.
How interesting. I haven’t finished the video yet but it’s really nice that I don’t have to keep tabs on things like this in my own time because legendary creators just give me one big video to watch on it that covers everything in 20 minutes. Thanks.
When is ‘Learn the alphabet with King Viserys’ coming out?
I honestly think they say 'Superhero Fatigue' so Hollywood can keep writing like absolute shit without having to course correct. Story concepts don't get tiring, the people writing them do.
@Minronis
Nah, story concepts can get tiring to individuals (and over time, entire communities of aforementioned individuals). I speak from experience as somebody that is absolutely tired of any and all western style shows and crime drama shows. The formula absolutely does get tiring.
Obviously, a new take on it can shake things up a bit, but it won't renew any REAL interest in the genre as a whole, just in that one production that shook things up. For example, I'm burnt out as hell on crime drama shows (think CSI, Law and Order, etc). If a show came along that twisted the formula a bit, made things feel a little fresh, it might catch my interest for a few seasons, but it would absolutely not make me suddenly like crime drama as a whole again.
@@dragonmaster1360this
When Disney makes movies or TV-Shows that cost like, 400 million, and then they get confused why they don't earn that back by any significant margin... I mean, like... What do Disney think? "Oh the more money we spend on producing a movie or TV-Show, the more money it will make in return."? There are movies and TV-Shows out there that has 30-40 times less of a budget, and is STILL better written than what Disney is producing. I honestly hope that now that the writer's strike is over, and Disney seemingly going for improvements to their overall shows or movie production, hiring showrunners and more experienced writers etc. I hope their shows will get a lot better from this. But that might not solve Disney's immediate problem in regards to having lost the faith of their fanbase. Fans of Marvel believe they have gotten Superhero fatigue, when in reality they are just tired of being given bad shows. Fans of Star Wars are disappointed with shows like Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi, whilst genuine masterpieces such as Andor isn't earning what it deserve for how good it is. Not to mention that Disney lost the faith of many Star Wars fans because of the horrendous Sequel trilogy. If this continues, Disney will be in genuine trouble.
Spending $350 million to make Avengers makes sense as it's a massive cast. But $350 million for Indy $300 million for Marvels is way too much. It should be half that.
Not just MCU, SW too.
That 5th point is really interesting from EU perspective since we have Disney + and hulu in one package as our Disney + (and its cheaper in most countries than the us disney + let alone the bundle iirc). so the value proposition is way different since the good non star wars/marvel series are on D+ for us (bear, only murders etc.)
I will say, this itself could be the 6th problem. How licensing rights can cause widely different varying catalogues available for different countries on what one can and cannot watch due to bundles or lack thereof etc.
I think Disney’s plan is to ultimately merge Hulu & Disney+ worldwide once they gain full control next year.
The writers strike makes me so happy. Like who cares about all the kids that are upset about having to wait for content? Disney is getting what they deserve (although I genuinely want them to fall). The only shows that were actually good are Wandavision, Loki and Moon Knight.
So they made shows like they made movies. I swear Marvel only ever worked because Feige was so involved and passionate about the series. I think he just stopped caring at Endgame because that was all he ever actually cared about.
It's just mind boggling because all they ever had to do is make movies/shows of the old already written comic books that people loved to begin with. That was why I originally watched.
You can always tell someone’s age by what they consider to be “great lightsaber duels.” You referenced the PT duels, which were flashy, highly choreographed ballet dances between undefined characters with no dialogue. The OT duels are literally the opposite, serving as rich character and drama moments featuring gritty, messy fights to the death.
PT duels look fake, all flash and no substance. As you said, it appears as if it’s all planned out. We intuitively know that everything is scripted but the goal is to get the audience to suspend disbelief and accept what is being shown is organic.
@@josephbrown9685The only good duel in the prequels is Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, after Qui-Gon gets killed. To me that is peak lightsaber combat, everything else is shit. Needless to say the duels in Episodes 5 and 6 were great because of the context of the fights
I couldn’t agree more with the marvel tier lists in this video
I just LOVE when greed backfires. Disney dug their own pit. Great video as always🙌🏾
I feel like Loki as a show is a good example of the "tired of bad writing" theory in that the thing that carries that show (assuming you like it) isn't really Loki himself, is that it's an interesting and not very well trodden concept in modern media. It helps that Loki and the characters in the show are definitely some of the more appealing Marvel characters in their own right's but it's the concept and the writing that drives it. You could pretty much just take Loki out of it and replace him with an unknown character and the show would still work because aside from the Kang stuff, it's not really associating itself with the wider Marvel universe at this point so it's not constantly undermining it's own potential and writing itself into a corner trying to connect up with the many dangling threads of the MCU.
Kinda crazy that the first Avengers movie introduced Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Hulk (kinda) in one movie
So nice to actually see a video which critic Disney/Hollywood with actual facts and logic instead of repeating the same «woke=bad» with no actual explanation into how and why.
You took the words out of my mouth. This is the most thorough and nuanced take on the MCU fiasco I’ve watched so far.
and how they consider something 'woke' is completely selective if you notice, by their logic a lot of stuff like the Last of Us, House of the Dragon, Spider-verse, Fight Club, Alien and many many other shows and movies are Woke but they don't call it woke when its well-written and popular, really shows how bad faith they are
Watch NerdRotic, he does the same and shows the numbers.
@@AGCcachanilla looking at nerdrobic’s video’s he seem no better then the critical drinker who also seems physically unable to criticize modern films and shows without reliaing on «triggerwords» like woke and diversity and expect that to be a proper argument, with no original or well thought arguments.
I mean its the guy who has made like 40 video’s about how terrible rings of power is (which yes is bad, but he dosent seem to actually wanna adress why its bad and instead simply focus on the fact that they have gay characters there).
Generally if someone has to rely on buzzwords like «woke» to get their video seen then 99% of the time you will hear the same lazy arguments made by 20 other «movie review» channels.
Same. While I don't mind watching the Critical Drinker from time to time (since he's honestly pretty damn funny), he can be pretty heavy handed when it comes to certain things, and it gets a bit old after a while.
One CZcamsr pointed out that there was a guy who was the head of Marvel TV productions. But he was eventually fired for being a creep and that Feige hate the guy. And then Marvel didn't bother with the replacement. They thought that they can run the TV productions side like movie production. Which, as the results showed, they can't.
As a long time PJ fan, I'm praying that Rick's envolvment in producing the show was enough to safe it from Disney's grasp.
I don't think so sadly. Disney always finds away and with the lack of marketing and word of mouth of that show with a budget of 200m, it's not looking good.
@@VERsingthegamez And I've people crisising Rick and Disney for the racial change on some its Characters (mainly Annabeth). But honestly, as long as the show is good and doesn't stray too far from the books, at this point I don't care.
So far, all the footage I’ve seen looked really good. Let’s hope that remains true for the whole show.
@@simcoe4045it probably will. Plus the fandom is doing a better job at promoting than Disney. So I think the only real danger is it not being renewed bc Disney might spontaneously decide they ain't feeling it anymore. The writing will most likely not be a problem as Rick would be the first to tell us about Disney trying to change things for the worst and boycotting the show. He does NOT play around with bad adaptations.
@@USofAyeah, the more or less niche fanbase is already heavily divided on the show. The fact the series is past its prime for the most part as well as a tarnished legacy due to those movies, it's facing a very uphill battle
Even after watching Wandavision I still didn’t understand why Wanda was a villain. She seemed to accept her grief and it gave no hint that the darkhold was corrupting her
Great points and awesome editing
I'm normally for competition but the idea of a one size fits all streaming service has always appealed to me.
Personally I think the problem with Disney Plus is that of 'content' over story. No one has an interesting story to tell that wouldn't work outside the medium of say Star Wars, it's just 'lets make a 6 pieces of content based around Kenobi/Ashoka/Boba Fett so that we can keep Disney plus subscribers subscribing. I really wish that they'd go back to the old two year release cycle so that they could make stories worth telling without having to rush and pad out their limited time with completely unnecessary fanservice and irrelevant plot lines. Andor and Mando S1 aside, every Disney plus Star Wars show has just felt entirely unnecessary.
I literally can't remember last time Disney produced anything else than garbage.
You literally just showed me that you don't understand the word literally, or the word hyperbole.
@@johnstarks7759 Wow, you're just all over the comments calling others stupid to make yourself feel better.
Andor
The tier list is honestly on point
As if Kevin being more involved would have saved anything, he is just another hack as well
Disney just had the pathological drive to put all the content they own into one place, thinking it'd be enough. If they'd farmed out the Marvel shows to Netflix, Star Wars to Max or Peacock, and the Ntl Geographic stuff to... idk, wherever, and put out a few older titles at a time to various services, they might not have lost as much money putting all their eggs in one basket
Exactly
They just need to recognize what these streaming services are. Replacements for DVD sales. They don't need dozens of new prestige TV shows on the service. They just need to have the sorts of things that people bought DVDs for in the past.
This explains so much about why all of the shows Disney keeps pumping out are trash... They just FORGOT how to run a business apparently.
I gotta say man I really like how good faith you are with your reviews, particularly this one. Like as you've pointed out, theres a million things to criticize Disney on but you're not going down the cringe "Disney is bad because it is woke" which is just shallow criticism that doesn't at all get to the actual meat of the nuance
I agree. I will say I do wish they'd kinda tone down the wokeness a bit (Especially she-hulk, jesus christ) but the problems are so much deeper and fundamental then that and the woke aspect seems to be the only part people focus on.
@@heroicryan6257 You have a company that's more focused on "inclusion" than quality. I'm sorry that you're too ignorant to see that ideology is what leads to all the other poor decisions, but that doesn't change reality.
It's a combination of atrocious writing, bad ideology, and making everything match the tone of a terrible Disney Channel teen comedy.
I mean, you obviously can't boil it down to pure political ideology, but come on. At the end of the day the main problem Marvel has is that the writing sucks, with a big sidebar being that there's woke themes peppered in everywhere. Maybe you think these two aren't connected but it's hardly unreasonable to think they are. Certainly the trend of having unlikable Strong Female Characters basically steal the show from / dump on the male characters, is a big contributor. If Secret Invasion was 6 episodes of Nick Fury being a badass, it would've been solid at worst and S tier at best.
@@TheMattTrakkerI'm sorry that you're too ignorant to understand that you can be inclusive and do good quality productions at the same time.
She Hulk wasn't shit because it was "woke," it was shit because the inclusivity and feminism they showed in the show was idiotically shallow and shouted into your face with no value to any of the characters. ALL they had to do was introduce relatable and genuine characters to embody the "wokeness."
Like The Eternals where its only canonically gay character was shown as a father and a family man who wanted nothing to do with the bullshit happening in the plot because he just wanted to protect and live with his family. This character was genuine and relatable. There was no widespread backlash over this character because it was done nicely and his sexual orientation didn't much matter. Not that it did the film any good because its plot's scope was too big.
Now people are shitting over Disney because they are introducing characters whose only noticeable characteristic is being "woke" or queer. It's bad not because it's "woke" but because these characters have no depth and shout "woke" shit and feminist catchphrases just for the fucking sake of it(SheHulk again).
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I really appreciate a rational case study of this company that actually engages with the tangible problems it has on the production side of things rather than just childishly complain about how wokeness is ruining everything.
Isaac “Ike” Perlmutter... it has been all down hill since he was marginalized, then fired.
Shoving woke shit into everything isn't necessarily the main thing destroying them, but alienating your audience at every corner and calling your fans ists and isms for not liking the show or movie is one of the most damaging things you can do.
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But… they’re not even woke. Maybe they will imply two characters might be gay (in a scene easily cut from the movie), but they’ll minimize Finn on the Chinese movie poster and sideline him in those movies. Or, they’ll recast the dwarves in Snow White as average sized people without rewriting the roles to be more interesting and bothering hire actual little people. How is that woke? I would love if they were genuine, but it’s pure greed. It’s lazy. I have no idea how you could even call this woke!
@@giversinner971 They're woke when it's tolerated. M-SHE-U should be enough for anyone that isn't in denial to see this.
Love your commentary on the decline of disney and agree wholeheartedly... well done, sir 👏🏾
They should just stop, or at least take a good break to set things right and restructure the franchises
The only reason I have Disney+ is for National Geographic documentaries lol
Well stated without the racist and sexist tropes of other critics of Disney+. Good analysis.
"You belong to Disney, which means you stay busy; cranking out magic and assembly line whimsy. Artists beggin' me to stop? I won't let 'em. Labor conditions in my shop? I don't sweat 'em."
I love how Mandalorian season 2 ends with Grogu leaving just so he's back at the beggning of season 3
Moon Knight doesn't "mostly" work, it was just another mediocre and forgettable Disney-Marvel TV show. I don't know anyone who remembers a single plot point from that series.
Just last week I opted out of my annual renewal subscription. Outside of Loki, there hasn’t been a single show or movie I’ve been interested in watching this year. I’m not about to pay for another year that is about to get a price increase.
Genuinely curious, what is the reason behind the amount of faith you have in Kevin Feige? At no point in the video was his creative vision ever in doubt, but almost every person you blamed reports to him and decision makers at that level.
I'm confused and I don't really know much about this subject but I thought part of his job is overseeing these projects including the hiring of directors, but you seem to be suggesting that this downfall and his lack of direct supervision are connected? But nearing the end of the video you also acknowledged that the faults of bad schedules and CGI seem to come from a place higher than the creative teams and directors, isn't that where Kevin is? You also brought up the insane amount of reshoots, some ordered by the man himself. It's almost hypocritical as if you're fine with wasting money, talents getting fired and taking another risk as long as he's the one supervisor, but is that not the same case with all the other failed projects?
Where does he stand in this mess of shifting accountabilities? Why do you not blame Kevin Feige when he's connected to everything you find flawed?
Kevin Feige was the creative who mapped out the MCU and movie and TV show rollout creating a cohesive sprawling storyline. But no doubt after end game fatigue is setting in. Not sure if he can be blamed on the production front as he put creatives in place to create each movie and show. KK might be involved in the hiring as well. There's a whole team that works with Kevin Feige so it's hard to blame one person.
@@jonfreeman9682 So Kevin is responsible for the very inconsistent storyline we have at the moment?
I agree with your points of the end game fatigue and there being a whole team behind* every decision, which is why I am not posing this question as a challenge, but genuine curiosity. The video creator seems to know a lot more about this and I would like to know how much of this can be attributed to Kevin, he might not have to shoulder the most blame but I doubt he is exempt from all, something the video did not touch upon.
great video. Sums it up.
Everyone lost their shit when Anakin appeared yet again on another show. Nostalgia bait at its max, they can’t create something original that is good so they have to go back to legacy characters that everyone adores to pull you in. I love Anakin as a character as much as the next Star Wars fan, but his story ended a long time ago and it should’ve stayed that way.
Japanese tokusatsu shows figured out what Marvel is having trouble with.
Super sentai and Kamen rider exist together but the stories of each season of both shows is self contained enough that you dont wonder where the other characters are.
Notice how GoG 3 had almost nothing to do with the MCU and was a story completely detached from everything else.
None of this is surprising but it’s great to see the evidence to confirm how badly planned this was. Quality takes time. Movies still are expensive to make. Good writing takes time. I’d rather wait years for a new movie that blows me away rather than get a shitty film/show every month.
If they want to scale their shows, Disney + need to invest more, in the quality of their production and in the cast and crew. Then they would stay afloat.
House of the dragon was my favorite show of 2022. The next season is in 2024. While that’s a pain, I know without a doubt it will be better because of how long they have themselves.
A delayed product is eventually good; a rushed product is forever bad.
What is the name of the instrumental in the very beginning?
Ironically the movies have become like the comics where it's so convoluted that it turns off people who can't follow the history
your opinion is correct and what ive been saying since they released the plans, they are producing twice the amount of properties in half the amount of time, the artists are overworked
I hope we eventually go back to just having two or three big streaming services instead of 10+ like we do now.
I agree with you, all the recent Marvel and Star Wars contents were done poorly, and the MCU personally should have ended after Endgame, and Star Wars should’ve ended after Revenge Of The Sith
Anyone know what movie/show the clip at 8:17 is from?
I think you missed something, Disney stopped doing movies shows directed for fans since Endgame part 1. Nothing coming out after that was for fans, in fact they always called their fanbase toxic. So in a way, it suits them right to be loosing millions if not billions. "The Message" is more important than income right ?
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Sooooo.... maybe Talos and Maria HIll's deaths weren't in vain after all?
One could hope.
Inhernetly, the flaw of these super-hero movies is that you can only relate to a story about gaining power that seperates you from everyone else so many times. All of these films are an exercise in this self-delusion about exceptionalism over others; even further, that someone with powers is out there to right the wrongs of the world because that's what people with power do. People with power work in other people's interest less than 10 percent of the time. It's why Iron Man was almost relatable: because he was an asshole.
Maybe in Avengers Kang Dynasty have all or most of lesser received characters die, no infinity stones to reverse it again. But would have to have a few of the fan favorite characters die to give it weight.
the great sitcoms on disney+ is the only reason i pay for it
It sort of feels for Marvel they need a Head Showrunner liek a Kevin Feigie and then he needs to select traditional show runners for each show running the projects according to Kevin's overall vision for the MCU.
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I'm gonna be honest, I think you're giving Moon Knight more credit than it deserves. It certainly had some great episodes but it's genuinely hilarious how short the series was and how little time we actually saw the costume. That kaiju finale with US NOT EVEN SEEING THE VILLAIN DEFEATED, is a joke, and not a good one
“Guys we keep vomiting our new shows and movies and people aren’t watching them what should we do?”
“Maybe we should-“
“LETS MAKE A META BREAK DOWN ON THE TOXIC NATURE OF FAN EXPECTATIONS!”
“BRILLIANT MAKE IT A SHOW!”
“…SIR IT BOMBED HORRIFICALLY!”
“What if we-“
“QUICK! RELEASE A SHOW ABOUT A BELOVED MALE CHARACTER AND THEN SIDELINE THEM TO A NEW FEMALE CHARACTER IN THEIR OWN SHOW!”
“…sir the fans aren’t watching the show!”
“Damn it those sexists!”
“What if we-“
“QUICK A STAR WARS: BABY YODA SPIN OFF!”
*”WHAT IF WE STOPPED RELEASING SO MANY PROJECTS AND FOCUSED ON MAKING SHOWS THE FANS WANT TO SEE!?”*
“…that would never work.”
Wait wait wait… Daredevil had actual legal drama over She-Hulk?! Why couldn’t they be bothered to show some of that in her show? It’s not like she did anything with her green skin power either.
The old saying “in a galaxy far far away.” Doesn’t seem far away anymore, it feels more like one planet with Disney’s over reliance on bringing back prequal/og era legacy characters and having them constantly meet each other to the point that it’s getting weird.
About lightsaber duels....I mean... Disney already showed they kinda suck with lightsaber duels in movies with the sequels ( except TLJ in that regard, however tehnically there is no lightsaber duel per se in that movie )
I would put Baylan vs Ahsoka far above any duel from the sequels.
Disney+ is a D&D of franchises:
Star Wars - most recognized and probably most succesful franchise in the world downgraded to a D+ category
MCU - phase 4 of m-she-u with mediocre D+ shows needed to watch movies making their movies flop really hard. On the other hand theatrical releases suck as well.
Love the point someone made about pilot episodes being crucial to success and good business for the same reason that parallel testing is bad ethically.
If you make a whole show with no stops to quality test it as you go, then f it starts out bad, it will probably end bad. Just like if you do multiple tests of a drug in tandem and it has dangerous results for the testers, you're condemning everyone testing to that same result in a way that was completely avoidable.
Why not try to hire the actors for Daredevil that starred in the original series and try to hire also the screenwriters that worked on that specific show. Its like Disney is trying to reinvent the wheel in some ways. Also the idea that they can work in tv environment withouth showrunners just seems like something that you wouldnt expect from Disney in general. You need one person with overall control and vision of the series since otherwise it can become just chaos of trying to produce a certain amount of episodes. Also what is wrong in people wishing to have more of the legacy characters in Star Wars? It would be amazing to see Lukes adventures as a master jedi or to watch what happens to Han Solo. Why do we need all new characters when we could also have some more adventures with the characters that we fell in love originally. But Disneys main problem is that they have a streaming platform for which they need to produce content constantly or lose potentially a lot of subscribers. This is probably why the quality has dipped partly since instead of selling their tv series to other streaming services they have to now try to produce enought content for their own streaming service.
" cranking out magic at assembly line wimsy " - Walt Disney
Disney's International (outside UK) distribution deal/investment with the BBC and Badwolf to put new Dr Who onto Disney+ next month is set increase their subscription count and I belive should help keep them afloat for a bit while they sort themselves out.
So basically Disney+'s problems can be summed up with "Disney is extremely incompetent"?
I mostly use Disney+ because of the large library of older content (that I hope won’t be removed for cutting costs as well). With that said, we should expect more quality from a streaming service brought to us by a company that has several of the most talented and groundbreaking production companies in the history of film.
I’d gladly pay a significantly smaller amount for access to classic Disney stuff only. I don’t care about their modern garbage.
I’d like to hear a video on Lake Lanier… I just got goosebumps typing this
The other thing is they don't put their content on other services. You don't see marvel or Disney on Netflix or Prime. So if you don't have Disney streaming you just forget all about it. If i watched Infinity War on Hulu, it might make we watch Age of Ultron or Civil War. But as it stands, i haven't seen any of the marvel or disney universe in 4 years.
Fr. I could easily live the rest of my life without even thinking about Disney+.