Top 10 GoT Characters RUINED by David and Dan
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- A Game of Thrones Top 10 list ranking the characters that David and Dan ruined the most in season 7 and season 8. Characters like Tyrion Lannister, Jon Snow, Littlefinger, Cersei Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen and more are featured in this ranking.
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This should be a top 20 list. So many great characters and they slaughtered over half of them from season 5. Littlefinger, Cersei, Jamie and Tyrion piss me off the most. Its like killing Macgyver but still carrying on with the show
Thanks will do
Any I appreciate your videos
You forgot the hound.
"To be honest, I never really cared about holding the door" -Hodor
"Hodor kinda forgot about holding the door".
But the Door certainly didnt forgot about Hodor
😂😂
"To be honest, I never really cared about the Lannisters."
-Tywin
Best comment 🤣🤣🤣😂👍
david and dan are the only writers that can ruin one of the best written characters ever with one sentence of dialogue
Rian Johnson?
Nah there called dumb and dumber
You vastly underestimate the incompetence of some of the people working in the industry.
'I never much cared for the small folk' biiiiiiiii-
“Writers”
Don’t think they have the right to be called that. They single handedly destroyed and retroactively ruined an entire show forever. It’s unwatchable now.
The first and biggest murder in the story is that of Stannis. Having his daughter burned in his presence, when in the books she remained at Castle Black, remains the series' first major aberration.
Stannis deserved much better than his treatment in season 5, just because of the showrunners' hatred for his character.
King Stannis is my God
I mean technically Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltons happens prior to this but I agree that they did the one true king extremely dirty.
100% Their ignorance when handling his character was astonishing.
I could absolutely believe that Stannis burns Shireen, even watching as it happens; IF it was to save mankind as "Azor Ahai", seeing it as his duty. If he was willing to sacrifice Edric Storm, shouldn't he be willing to sacrifice his own child?
The biggest issue for me is that I see Stannis as a man who cares deeply and genuinely for duty, who has two advisors, one on each shoulder, put oversimplified arguing for utilitarianism and deontology. Melisandre presents the argument that since Stannis is the Chosen One, he has a carte blanche to do whatever, because if he fails, the world falls with him. Davos argues that a bastard boy is "Everything", even against a kingdom. Burning a child alive is never, ever the right thing to do.
Stannis' story, for me at least, is so compelling because of how this struggle to determine what is Right intersects so well with Stannis' history. Stannis is the charmless middle child feeling unwanted and slighted, deeply sceptical of being told he is Special, but eventually coming to believe it, in part because of the "evidence" he sees, but also because deep down he wants so badly to be wanted and seen.
He ends up believing in a lie, as we humans so often do, that's just our nature; but it will, I think, lead Stannis to do desperate things "for the greater good", all in vain, all because he fell prey to our fallible human nature that is so hard to make work with a utilitarian approach to morality. Stannis is such a compelling, flawed tragic figure, and I think the show really failed to grasp that.
Indeed, Stannis' character was poorly treated during season 5. But I think that even if his choice is unforgivable, sacrificing his daughter perfectly completes his narrative arc: Stannis is so convinced of his destiny that he's willing to effectively give everything to fulfill it. It was also one of the show's most heartbreaking and moving moments, and it's why we love GoT. Best of all, it was also one of only three post-book events that GRR Martin revealed to D & Dumber before they took over the script (the other two being why "Hodor" and Bran becomes king at the end).
I personally see Jaime's situation as kinda the opposite: the fact that they managed to ruin his incredible arc in one episode is the most tragic thing.
Agree. Was such a massive slap in the face after so much buildup and apparent change.
They really didn’t though, he was always going to go back to Cersei that ruined his character seasons before that.
I actually agree with SupercutsDelight's argument that after losing everything - his honor, his friends, Cersei, his children and family it wouldn't be out of place for Jaime to say 'I never really cared about the people' because in the end it appears that noone cares about him. However, the way Dumb and Dumber set it up the same line is absolutely abismal.
@@user-re5if4ke6u Except he absolutely did care about them, its the reason he broke his oath and lost his honor by killing the Mad King.
@@Star-wb2ov The argument is, it's possible that somewhere down the line, Jaime *stopped* caring. He did break his oath to save thousands of people, and all it got him was being hated by everyone. It would be believable that, since trying to do the right thing only blows up in his face, Jaime reached a breaking point and became numb.
Of course, that's not the storyline we got, and saying that he *never* cared definitely was stupid.
They even managed to ruin Drogon. That's dedication.
Who’s drogon
@@alt3751dragon
How did they ruin Drogon?
@@medalgear654 He flies away without roasting Khaleesi's killer.
DRAGONS UNDERSTAND SYMBOLISM!
As a Jaime fan, that one season 8 ep hurt. To see a character get assassinated in a single episode destroyed me. I also agree that Varys, Littlefinger, and Tyrion had the most painful downfalls. The fact that D&D turned the three smartest characters into being dumb as bricks honestly baffles me. Im praying George finishes those books so we get the real ending
GOT's 3 smartest characters became the 3 Stooges
When we meet Varys he is a spymaster secretly nurturing a multi-decade plot to overthrow the King, from within the Small council. By the end of the show, he goes around telling various Daenerys loyalists "hey btw I'm thinking of doing some treason hbu"
@@FunFilmFare you are so right
I hope he does man, Im loving the 3rd rn but I get less optimistic to read an unfinished series
George has basically admitted he doesnt want to finish the last book anymore. So now its literally going to be a race until his death to see if he finishes it
Having Dany do the mad queen thing is idiotic when Cersei’s entire book character is intended to be the mad queen persona.
nah Dany will become the mad queen in the books
Yes, she's losing everything, and now the lioness is backed into a corner
And there's no way she was liked by the population after the explosion, yet they seek refuge close to the castle, it's not at all weird to think that she would feel that they are an enemy as well, because the prophecy is about to kick in anyway. And look how the general population treated her during her walk of shame.. and there has been previous hatred towards the rulers of the 7 kingdoms, Cersei never quite understood this as well as Margaery did.
So Dany comes, does Cersei leave anything to anyone really? Is it her possible escape to die quickly? Perhaps this backfires and wildfires go of here and there not even leaving something for Dany to rule over, her dragons being responsible for creating a very deadly chain reactions... this is more likely to cause her to lose her marbles as well...as she is part of committing genocide, now she would just rule over ashes
@@skurinskinah we already got John con nd cersei for that bit.
@@skurinski Correct. Dani was always going to go nuts, the problem was it happened way too fast. You can see her decent into madness throughout the entire show. She is constantly being stopped by her advisors from acting on her vengeful impulses and as time goes on you can see her start to listen less and less to her advisors.
@@Enigmatic.. Would you listen to an advisor who had already lost you two of your allies with his piss poor plans? I'm sorry but Tyrion by that point was not an advisor I would trust after that. The dumbing down of his character makes that so. She does listen to Jon when he advises her not to head to the red keep and burn it down. She makes ruthless decisions theres no doubt about that but so do many of the other characters in this show but no ones call any of their acts madness because they are not Targs. I'm not saying that she wasn't headed down that path at some point, but you gotta build up to that in a logical way. You can't have her in one episode saying "I won't be queen of the ashes" an then an episode later have her burning down KL
I would add literally all of Dorne to this list. What they cut out from that part of the books could have filled two extra seasons of the show.
Dorne = Jamie and Bronn in fancy dress commando mission
Honorable mention to Stannis Baratheon. I've been reading the books and it's becoming one of my favorites characters, but l when I try to think about his show version I don't even remember his story details after going to Castle Black because of how boring and contrived it was
I haven’t finished the books however stannis remains a top five character from the show for me.
I swear the one who hurt the most was Jaime. The guy had one of the best redemption arcs in the history of televison (hell, I'll dare say it, and of CINEMA), and it was all thrown away. He should have died on the battle of Winterfell, alongside Theon, protecting Bran, bringing the redemption arc of both characters full circle to a satisfying conclusion
As much as I hate season 8 there's no denying that Jaime's arc came full circle. He was ALWAYS conflicted between honor and loyalty but he never questioned his love for his family and Cersei. He was a Hateful man for doing the right thing (killing the Mad King) and we see how Jaime constantly struggle with right from wrong because the line is blurred because of blind loyalty, oaths and honor. That's what the whole "fuck loyalty" arc was about... In the very first episode he said "Things I do for love" and later in the show we realize that he would do anything for Cersei no matter what.
Ehhhhhh in the books his redemption is even better, and much more impactful
Me too, maybe because his redemption arc already peaked all they need to do is land anywhere die in winterfell protecting bran or kill mad queen cersei or azor ahai him and get flaming sword (unlikely i know) ot arya somehow got his face then kill cersei anything but fighting euron who swim across fucking ocean and get injured heavily then die from RUBBLE
Now imagine if Jamie was the one to deliver the final blow to the Night King or ended up going back to kill Cersei. So the nickname, king slayer / queen slayer, which was once a reminder of shame and dishonor can also come full circle and become one of triumph and celebration.
I agree. Either that or he died killing Cersei in an effort to save King's Landing. Heck instead of Sandor you could've had Jaime fighting the Mountain to get to Cersei, and just when Mountain has the upper hand Sandor could come in to kill Mountain and save Jaime.
It really baffles me what Dumb & Dumber did to Littlefinger & Varys. These two were literally my Top 2 favorite characters (especially Pety) ever since their throne room dialogue.
No matter how good a writer is, they can’t write a character smarter than themselves.
@@katet_33 And D&D were complete idiots.
@@katet_33 that accomplishment actually happens quite often for fictional characters.
We get to know them by watching them doing and saying clever and cunning things. Later on, their cunning disappears completely and instead the other characters just keep pointing it out in their dialogue eg "Tyrion is valuable because he is smart", and "Littlefinger is the most devious"
@@katet_33 I don't think either of them are dumb, they just worked on GoT too long and wanted to do other stuff. So lower the IQ points of just about everyone to advance the story..
I really respect Varys' actor for being so passionate about the story and his character
he's not just there for a pay check, he cares about Cinema and art being made, for some people its just Entertainment but for others its more than that, Writing, Literature, Series and Movies are an art form, it can be more than just entertainment, it can give life meaning and affect people with their meaning and message and change people, Season 1-4 was exactly that, a masterpiece
Him and Ian McElhinney both cared about their characters so much, I really feel bad for them.
And YES, Littlefinger would never have given Sansa to the Boltons. He said to Ramsey that he didn't know much about him. That is impossible. He would have found out as much as he could. And never would have given Sansa away.
Also, The Boltons is the same people who killed his childhood crush, Caitlyn who was also Sansa's mother! Why would he gave his childhood crush's daughter to the enemy who killed his crush? If he loves Caitlyn very much, he should've let Sansa to safety like how in the book, Sansa becomes Alyne Stone, his bastard daughter and stays in the Vale.
In the books Sansa never met, married or was raped by Ramsey Bolton… D&D used that BS story arc to create sympathy for a completely unsympathetic character because at this time in the books Sansa was still a rotten spoiled 11 year old brat who was just like her cruel mother.
Indeed, Littlefinger was completely in love with Sansa. It seems like his plan in the book is to get Sansa to marry Robin and take over the Arryn kingdom. Presumably Robin would fall by the wayside and Littlefinger would get both Sansa and the East. In comparison, giving Sansa to the _Boltons_ of all people makes no sense, either strategically or emotionally.
But he didn't just give Sansa to the Boltons that was the one move his whole plan was riding on he used that move to turn Circi against the Boltons and set himself up to gain Winterfell not defending the writing just explaining there was so much more to it
Tyrion convincing Dany to not fly straight to red keep and end the war is the most unforgivable writing decision in this show.
I think Rheagal getting sniped becuase they kinda forgot about the Euron fleet when going back to Dragonstone was the worst
Honorable mentions:
- Stannis Baratheon: no words needed
- Barristan Selmy: just letting him die in the streets is a huge facepalm for me
- Rickon Stark: the books say he is on Skagos at the moment, a really interesting place, and D&D just kill him off - the heir of Winterfell
- Ellaria Sand: I`m not including the sandsnakes or Doran, because they were shit from the beginning in the show, but her introduction as Oberyns lover was spot-on for me, but as soon as she was back in Dorne she went down with the whole Dorne-plot
- Kingslanding: I know a city is not a character, but back in the early seasons we saw how they reacted on how they were ruled and how things were handled under Joffrey. Kingslanding was a living city with living people. That hit it`s peak under the high sparrow. But as soon as Cersei blew up the sept, everyone was like: I don`t care about anything anymore.
One underrated pick is Bronn.
Ive never seen him there because he wasn’t particularly smart but he suddenly got one of the biggest plot armor and was made extremely dumb. Like he threatens the side with apparently 2 Dragons, 20000 unsullied, the whole fuxking north, the second sons, the whole dothraki,… and wants highgarden? Did he think he was gonna get away with it? He made „a deal“ with tyrion and jaime with no witnesses or anything and I certainly think that Tyrion or Jaime wouldnt have given highgarden to a friend who betrayed you and was one twitch away from putting a bolt into your heart…
Couldn't agree more. He really should have died saving Jaime from Drogon back in season 7. Would have added more stakes and consequences.
He also doesn't understand the concept of borrowing money (his own words in season 3) and at the end of the show he's the master of coin. 🤣🤣
Having Bronn as the Master of Coin at the end was wild. Who’d have someone so lacking in loyalty in a position of trust. Just ridiculous.
Let's face it the 7 kingdoms will break apart soon after that series finale. Dorne and the Iron Islands have no reason to stick around and not secede. They get nothing out of Bran the Broken being king. I mean christ the new king gave away the biggest kingdom just cause big sister asked. While we don't see much of the Reach because they whittled it down to two families there are still likely families like the Hightowers and the Redwynes who aren't gonna be pleased that a sellsword has been made Lord of Highgarden and Lord Paramount over them. So there goes the Reach. As for the Westerlands are they gonna have any respect for the new hand who by all accounts is a kinslayer?
@@Chrissykat24 I think they already had Jon Snow beyond the wall planned before it ended so they needed a conclusion that fit their plans so everything else was collateral damage. They’ll make a shit ton of money from the spin-off and they sacrificed GoT for it. Bronn absolutely should have died saving Jamie in ‘The Spoils of War’ his story after that was pretty defunked and it was completely absurd to have a man who betrayed everyone he met as master of coin. I think the writers thought he was better liked by the audience than he was. Sending Jamie back to Kings Landing was also ridiculous, it completely wasted his redemption arc. Either way, the writers ruined what was an exceptional series and they’ll never be able to save it.
The fact that Stannis isn't on this list is absurd.
It is; although with him some key elements remain to be revealed in the book, that we don't yet know about.
Yes!
If you actually read the description, then you'd know this video is about season 7 & 8, and Stannis already died in season 5. (Good riddance!)
@anthonyfarshaw8619 it's 2023, nobody reads video descriptions
@@Transilvanian90 uh DUH DOY thats literally every character
It seemed many of the actors understood their characters much better than the writers. Varys would NEVER have given away his position on Dany. Never. Ever. Ever.
I can see Varys betray Dany, but nlt that way, in the shadow like in the past, and if he actually see her being mad
@mandash4762 that's the worst part, we can see the characters doing almost everything they do. We can see dany going mad, Jon loves dany and kills her, even jaime go back to cersei. It is a tragedy, I can see Jamie being broken by something and going back to cersei in the end despite everything he went through. But not the way that was portrayed in the show, everything is so sudden and contradictory and illogical.
And well 0 reason for tyrion. Wtf did they do with him can't be explained in any logical sense...
@@evoluxman9935 Well, I obviously cannot see, even in the worst nightmare ever, even in hell, Bran be king
And here we are
Yes...with good character building, we could have understood much of what happened happening, but they did not take us on the journey to get to any of it.
@@mandash4762 Much like Dany going mad (and *possibly* Stannis burning Shireen), Bran ending up as king is something I can see Martin pulling off with very deliberate & gradual setup - something Bran works towards over a long period of time, by carefully manipulating people from afar in the same way Bloodraven always has. Something morally questionable that he justifies to himself because he's seen the future and knows what has to happen. Not just a shocking twist that Tyrion pulls it out of his arse at the last second.
I like where you put Jamie here, but I think it's important to note that D&D tried to ruin Jamie since the beginning (even though it didn't work). For example In the book, Jamie didn't kill his cousin nor did he rape Cersi. This is actively D&D trying to ruin the character by giving him these actions in the early seasons.
It's debatable wether he raped Cersei in the books. The chapter in question is written from his point of view, so it is written in a way to justify his deed. But Cersei literally said no and beat him before giving up resistance.
Its amazing how, looking back, you could see hints of the doom that was to come when they started running out of material to adapt. But Martin's story was so strong that people just kind of glossed over it because the rest of the show was still amazing so why 'nitpick' at little changes.
@@Flugkaninchen I think you need to re-read that chapter because Cersei's dialogue makes it very clear that she wasn't being forced
It's heavily implied by cersei in a line that Jaime is sexually coercive though.
@@ok.4720 and it's also heavily implied she likes that. Not to mention we get to see it goes both ways.
Littlefinger was too smart for the writers.
*Everyone* is too smart for D&D to write. They have a combined IQ around 4.
Remember that Tyrion said that Sansa's real strength of will was the ability to see what she really needed to do and make it not obvious that is what she is doing. Then Season 8 Sansa attributes her growth through the pain she has been in, which is fyi very toxic.
Like ask yourself why arya, who is such a shit character in the show's later seasons, is so beloved while sansa is the most hated? Because sexism. People love Arya cause she's a psycho who is a tomboy, has masculine features.
So they decided to make Sansa motivated by r*pe, flexing it. Which is antithetical to the sansa character in the books.
@7PlayingWithFire7 it's misogyny disguised in feminism. Arya being a ruthless and capable female character is good on paper, but the show wants us to see Sansa as "weaker" cuz she doesn't take on masculine traits and characteristics to survive like Arya did. The show doesn't want us to believe Sansa is strong for being smart and capable in her own way, rather her strength has to be rooted in the violence done to her for being "too womanly". Very sick stuff
@@7PlayingWithFire7 Yeah I like the contrast in the books between Arya, who openly rejects the damsel-in-distress role and finds a way to forge her own path, and Sansa, who learns to lean into that role. She makes her enemies (and lots of readers...) underestimate her, but she also learns to make people love her, and we haven't seen how that will play out. I see her ultimately getting a similar vindication to Ned's style of leadership (though hopefully without the beheading) - that while both she and her father looked like naive patsies in the short term, the ability to inspire true loyalty and devotion in people is extremely powerful when you're fighting against opportunists who are hated & feared by their own allies.
Case in point: Dontos was a patsy, and Sansa was foolish for trusting him. But if he was loyal to Littlefinger, then why did Littlefinger have to kill him? Because his devotion to Sansa was true enough that LF knew he couldn't trust him not to take her side in the long run.
Maybe "life is not a song", but the series has shown us a lot of knights - Jaime, Barristan, Brienne, even Sandor - who really do WANT to be riding a white horse to defend the honour of a beautiful princess, if only the world were really like that, so giving them that fantasy to fight for is not something that should be underestimated. Assuming everyone is as cynical as you are is the cynic's greatest blind spot.
I'd say the very first character who was wasted by poor writing, was Barristan Selmy. He's one of the most legendary knights of Westeros who served the Mad King. He could have been a major player later on and especially for the mad queen plot. Instead, he was jumped by a bunch of thugs in an alleyway that served no purpose to his or anyone's character development, nor did it drive a plot. He was only killed so that David and Dan could meet their shock value quotas. It's a shame, considering how interesting of a character he was and the potential he could bring.
For people who haven't read the books, Barristan was basically Medieval Rambo, and the show had the dude get taken out by some hobos
Yes! Thank you, Ser Barristan Selmy was one of the best characters and the way he was written out was disgraceful. Ian McElhinney said in multiple interviews how disappointed he was at being cut from the show like that.
He disagreed with the writers early and paid the price for it. Ironically he was way ahead of the curve. D&D suck for what they did.
This man will never let David and Dan forget their atrocities 😂
They need to pay for their crimes
No one should ever forget, we can’t let something like this happen again
And what's hillarious is, David and Dan are still irrelevant after 5 years of GOT has finished.
It was manslaughter. They need to pay😅
They literally destroyed the legacy and interest of one of the biggest shows ever
They literally had two better endings for Cersei with Arya and Jamie. They could either fully redeem Jamie by having him kill Cersei (which makes sense since he was all about protecting the people). And it would be heartbreaking for both of them.
Or have Arya kill Cersei using Jamie's face (which she would finally use the faceless skills on the final season and kill another one of her list). Plus, imagine the scene of having Cersei feel super-extra betrayed seeing her brother stab her and before dying seeing Arya remove the face, feeling that not only she was killed by a Stark, but that her brother is also dead. I think that would be so much more impactful then a bunch of bricks and an incest love story...
And Bran... Imagine having a character with literal super-powers and the guy just stares, stares some more, says one-liners, stares and uses his powers once or twice in some crows. And then stares some more.
And I think you forgot one other character that was ruined: The Night King. He was a silent menace. A dude with super-powers that could create new walkers. A guy that has a massive army. Mysterious and magical. What do they do? Nothing. The guy is defeated in ONE NIGHT. And on top of that they never explained his motivation. More of his backstory. Nothing. Same with the strange patterns they left behind.
"Same with the strange patterns they left behind."
They were obviously into recycling. The living to the dead, extended life :D
Is it wrong that by the end of season 8 I was almost like, "Man kinda wished the white walkers had won" lol
@@Chrissykat24 No. Because these morons couldn't even agree to fight death itself.
They're so dumb that they can't even figure out to use a super assassin to kill Cersei and thus no need for the last war.
A smart script would have aimed for a smaller coup d'etat
Don't think I would have liked Arya dealing the final blow to either Cersei or Jaime (Arya had like no interaction with either of those characters throughout the whole show, so it wouldn't have been a satisfying revenge or anything imo...even if they were on her list). But completely agree with the rest, especially the part about the Night King.
Honorable mentions:
Stannis Baratheon (has been done dirty since season 2)
Loras Tyrell (turned into a token gay after Renly's death)
Barristan Selmy (his actor was even more disappointed than Varys' actor)
Tysha (this omission really cemented Tyrion (and Jaime) to be "the good boys with little mistakes")
Doran Martell, Areo Hotah, Ellaria Sand, the Sand Snakes (I just can't with any of these. It's worse than Dany's heelface turn in S8 IMO)
Casterly Rock (wtf is that exhausted gold mine plot)
The Vale
The Reach
The Westerlands
The Stormlands
The North
The Riverlands
The Iron Islands
The Crownlands
Dorne
(WHERE ARE THEY POST SEASON 4; dumbed down so much they couldn't care less that the Great Sept is nuked, the kingdom usurped by a Lannister, also D&D made The North forgot)
I can 100% agree that all of these characters were assassinated like JFK. Dany was the one that broke me, I like cried for minutes after what they did to her character, then I was so angered of bran becoming king that I laughed for 3 minutes straight. Honestly props to DnD for ruining this show in the most random and unjust way and somehow making every error imaginable.
Imagine crying over a show
@@osknyo imagine complaining about somebody for no particular reason
It really sucks bc emilia clarke put so much effort into dany, playing her even after having 2 cerebral aneurysms. And to see her character thrown into the garbage just pisses me off so badly.
@@thegodfather255 yeah I agree, she went through all that just for her character to turn into complete garbage
About crying over Dany's character assassination... You and me both. I mourned. I grieved. What Dumb and Dumber did to GOT feels like it should be a prosecutable crime.
I would also argue that Jon is completely useless in season 8, like Arya. He became a bystander. During the long night he had nothing to do. His storyline as a Targaryen wasn't important at all - except for the fact that it was used as a plot device to drive Dany more "insane". But it had nothing to do with Jon. And this is why they decided he should kill Daenerys, so that he had something to do in the finale. It's so sad.
Jon had a very important scream at the night king. 😂😂
@@thamsanqawuna4937 you mean viserion? Absolutely, you could see how scared the dragon was. 😂😂😂
@@Ninaofthe90s They ruined a beautiful show 😭
Wait what? She died? hee-hee (moonwalking out of this conversation)
King in the North? More like SIMP in the North.
I think Jaime hurts more than the others BECAUSE it was his final two episodes. Even though it was still heartbreaking - I was getting more used to the others being ruined - like Tyrion, Arya etc. But at least I still had Jaime. He was my only hope. And they ruined him as well at the last minute 😥😥he should be higher on the list for that reason.
LITTLEFINGER PETYR BAELISH was done the dirtiest HANDS down.
Ah! Bran, the king who spends the whole day catatonic and can’t have children. Indeed, a perfect choice to begin a new dynasty and rule the realm.
Honestly, I think the Margaery ark is also ruined
She just begun to spread actual influence with actual consequences just to die with everyone in Baelor's sept. I really hope we'll see a lot more in winds of winter from her, because the convenience of Hunger Games and Natalie Dormer was really sad to know about :(
I thought the sept bring blown up was great. What's atrocious is that nothing comes from it. Like it was just a character deletion, no repercussions, no one switch allegiance, people just forgot about the whole populist religious movment. Doesn't seem like Cerci's last son committing suicide really even bothered her too much.
I think is perfectly reasonable the Green Fire Fun Day. It suits both Cersei, since she is really that idiot and ruthless, and Marjorie, since that girl really believed being loved by the people would protect her from Cersei and she really was oblivious of how deep insanity runs on Cersei's.
As @Nathan-jh1ho pointed out, what botters me is the after party. WTF, nobody really cared about the atrocity and were just fine backing up e praising the new Queen. Com'on, a whole war was fought for way less.
In short: all characters living past Season 4.
Theon Greyjoy, and Jorah Mormont was decent. But I can't think of another main character lol
Littlefinger is the character maybe the most responsible for the events of the entire story. He convinced Lysa to kill Jon Arryn, told Joffrey to have Bran murdered, helped arrange the murder of Joffrey, killed Lysa, took over the Vale and becomes lord paramount of the river lands (in the books) and yet doesn’t know wtf he’s doing.
It's been 4 years and I am still angry about what happened to GoT. I got burned so hard I am refusing to watch HoTD until the series has ended, no matter how good people are saying it is
It's not that good. And i watched it at the end in a similar protest 😅
“dying while trying to flee on a honeymoon getaway” 😂😂😂😂
Honorable mention to Sansa too. Went from a hated character for good reason (young naive girl who gets manipulated) to a loved one for good reason (she lives through her trauma and is smart enough to survive being with cersei) back to being a despisable character (smug and arrogant).
The way she talks to Edmure in the last episode... pointless conflicts with arya jon and dany... im sorry this isnt who sansa was back in the early seasons.
You didn’t mention the biggest way they ruined Tyrion - by changing the backstory of Tysha. That changed his motivation for killing his father and removed his drive to find Tysha. That makes him essentially a different character from the book.
They also never fleshed out the possibility that Tyrion is actually The Mad Kings son.
Yeah, exactly, Tyrion is much darker after leaving King's landing...
There are so many awesome things they could have done with these characters with everything George set up, but somehow D&D managed to dodge all of them. As if they tried to be as incompetent as possible.
Also, Stannis should be on this list.
My list:
1: Tyrion
2: Littlefinger
3: Varys
4: Danaerys
5: Jamie
6: Cersei
7: Barriston Selmy no way he does like
8: Jon not that interesting to start but wasted plot line as heir
9: Arya my fave book character, maybe should be higher
10: Everyone else still alive
Fans: You ruined the best character!
D&D: If you’re accusing me of some depravity, you’ll need to be more specific.
Where the f is Stannis? He was ruined much more than Cersei or Arya.
he said in the discord that he was having a hard time deciding on the order of Jaime, Euron, and Stannis, so I guess Stannis was the one he chose to omit and would be #11
I dunno man, Arya was one of the best characters in the first few seasons and is absolutely insufferable by the end. In terms of how *far* a character fell in terms of quality, Arya's only real competition is Tyrion. They did Stannis dirty, but they did it from the start, so it's a lot less noticeable for the average viewer.
@@elistavinger3059even in the early seasons arya doesn’t hold up to her book counterpart because they point her story as a badass revenge story instead of her being a traumatised child struggling with her identity. i do enjoy early seasons arya, just as a separate character from book arya.
@@nameslesss I honestly don't remember much about her from the books so I'll take your word for it, but my point is that Arya was at one point a wonderful character. By the end of the show, she is arguably the worst--just a vehicle for pointless girlbossing. Stannis, on the other hand, was shit on by the writers right out of the gate.
@@elistavinger3059Sansa is up there
Where's Stannis? It's a shame that you don't seem to recognize the brilliance of the book character and how they've murdered his TV series counterpart.
A character they messed up right from the beginning.
I agree with all of these, but my biggest disappointments were the 3 Lannisters. I 100% agree with what you said on Tyrion. With Jamie, I was so mad when, instead of following the book version's path of separating himself from Cersei when she writes the letter saying she needs him, show-Jamie seems to re-dedicate himself to her, so we never get the fascinating inner conflict of him coming to terms with the fact that she's toxic. I subscribe to the theory that Jamie will end up being the valonquar and I thought the Jon-stabbing-Dany scene would play out between Jamie and Cersei instead. With Cersei, I couldn't believe how little the death of Tommen affected her. Her children were her life and that was such a huge part of her character, but her last and youngest child jumped out of a window because of her actions and she just took his throne and moved on. Terrible writing
Yes, please make one in depth analysis about Tyrion Lannister. Your videos are like therapy helping me to grief the shows horrible last seasons xD
I'd put Sansa instead of Euron, her character got butchered too, and Euron is an outsider since he was already bad at the beginning.
yep it’s a crime sansa isn’t included… yeah her story ended where it may end similarly in the book but season 5+ they completely changed her character
@@iris-xono way Sansa is gonna be Queen in the books( she was written out of the Will) but she might/probably will be Lady of the Vale if she does marry Harry the Heir and get Sweet Robin killed one way or another....
I unironically loved Euron. I laughed out loud plenty of times watching him. He also dressed like Hot Topic came to Westeros.
"There seems to be a trend that my top 5 ruined characters all happen to be the most intelligent ones"
Shows cersei:
She ain't exactly smart lol.
Peter Dinklage looks to be in physical pain everytime he's on screen during season 7 and 8.
Alternate video title: top 10 GOT characters still alive by season 7. Because D&D ruined everyone.
Stannis Baratheon's character was utterly destroyed and got a terrible death. D&D ruined the show when they had him burn Shireen because of snow...
I'd also say Sansa. I liked where she ended up, but it didn't really feel earned. Like characters would say she's this calculated hardened leader, but she never really does anything to back up those statements, and when she does, it's off screen. I also just didn't that it was necessary for her to even be anywhere near Ramsay. She was already trapped in the lion's den at King's Landing. Why build her back up at the Vale if you're just going to break her back down again with Ramsay? I thought that was a weird plot, not to mention very out of character on Littlefinger's part.
Stannis needed to be on this list. Kind of for the same reason as Euron. He was ruined in adaptation. The story beats are there from the books. They are just mangled. They show him out right having sex with Melissandre and have him out right murder Renly, both of which aren't true for the books. Stannis explains that he was asleep when Renly died and should have been preparing to do battle. So he cannot have intended to kill Renly using magic if he was going to do battle. Clearly he was not aware of the exact methods Melissandre intended to use against Renly.
The second strike against Stannis is when the writers make him go hat in hand to the Iron Bank to beg for money. In the book it was the reverse: he was seen as reliable and able to win by the bank, as they sent their agents to seek him out and give him money so he can become king and make good on the debts of the Iron Throne.
They also remove how much Tywin and Randyll, some of the most competent and feared commanders and leaders, are afraid of Stannis or at least see him as very dangerous. "Stannis will fight to the bitter end and then some."
They turn Stannis into a desperate madman, when book Stannis in the same desperation tells people not to burn people but pray harder. They make him sacrifice his heir, when in the books he tells Justin Massey to use the money from the Iron Bank to put Shireen on the throne if Stannis is killed. Then they produce handwavy writing to cause Stannis' army to be desperate and have him use no scouts and have him march into charging enemy cavalry and have Brienne bump into him on the battlefield and kill him. Just unfair. He deserved so much better.
Totally agree with this list just would add Arya because she went from wanting to avenge her family to not even sticking around to protect them. She wanted to be a knight she should’ve been Bran’s lady commander of his king’s guard. While brienne shouldve be Sansa’s. Her saying how much she admired Visenya Targaryen & was happy to meet Brienne but automatically hates Daenerys because of Sansa? & calling Sansa the smartest person she’s ever met 🤦🏾♀️
but... Arya is on this list lol
She wanted to be a knight as a little girl because she thought it was glorious. Kings guard is a glorified baby sitter and almost never does any kind of fighting, which is what she really wanted. She wanted to be the knight out on the battle field, having adventures, not standing around a castle all day. Their enemies were all defeated and her family was avenged. There was nothing for her to protect anymore, so it was hardly some big betrayal or change in character to leave once the revenge was completed and safety was ensured. She was off to more adventure like she always wanted. Yeah, they wasted her Faceless Man skills, but her end result was pretty on point IMO.
@@stijnbarneveld3999 he said she was fine besides them not knowing what to do with her it’s more to it then that
@@Swearengen1980 if it was nothing to protect they wouldn’t have a king’s guard at all & brienne is more than a glorified babysitter how insulting. U never know what could happen that’s why they need guards. The 💩writing didn’t change that & her going off to be Dora the explorer was stupid
Yep. It still hurts
How is Stannis not on here?
Probably he's focusing more on seasons 6-8 instead of 1-5.
I haven’t been able to rewatch a single episode since that abysmal ending, and the utter assassination of some of the best characters ever.
I read somewhere that the fight between Sansa and Arya was real until Sansa went to see Bran, and he revealed the truth, causing the girls to turn on Littlefinger.
Also he was supposedly the one who lured the Night King into Winterfell by taunting him with his crows.
The show doesn't show much of any of these things, though.
In regards to him not caring about being lord of Winterfell could be because he already knew that he would be king.
The worst thing about them ruining Cersei is that Lena is an amazing actress and they put her on a balcony with a a cup of wine.
Never gonna get tired of Game of Thrones rankings on this channel
I’d have put Sansa in a least honorable mentions. That shit dialogue they gave her about she wouldn’t be the what she is if it wasn’t for Littlefinger and Ramsay… Gives me nightmares
I really miss the height of the Game of Thrones era. It really helped me meet new people and form newer friendships, seeing how we all had that one thing in common that we were passionate about. The closest thing we've got to it now, at that level of audience, is the world cup I think. Thanks for keeping the fire alive with your content.
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@chaosiscoming9184 not the same
Stannis and Brienne are a double whammy. Stannis for killing his daughter (who he loved over everything else till that point) and Brienne for choosing revenge over honour.
And in the book Brienne says once to Catelyn to allow her to avenge Renly and kill Stannis and then forgets about it. It's not a major character development for her. It's more that she doesn't think vengeance is necessary anymore in the later part of the story. If we ever get the book and Stannis and Brienne meet I doubt that she will think killing him is right. We kind of have the reverse situation already in the books. Loras wants to kill her because he believes that she killed Renly. So Jaime convinces him out of it. But the pertinent lesson for Brienne is that blind vengeance is not justice.
...and also Renly deserved to die for being a usurper and a traitor, there is no justice or law that allows Stannis to be executed for bringing justice to a traitor.
@@psevdhome Yep, pretty sure killing your liege lord while he's helpless and bleeding on the ground is the most just think to do. Well done Brienne.
@@freddiecawston2892 reward her! Lmao
@@freddiecawston2892 I wish the show had at least addressed the Stormlands after Stannis died.
Like a line at a small council. "Whogivesafuck Estermont is now Lord of Storm's End. He has sent his forces to us under Idgaf Selmy and Whateverhisnamewas Dondarrion."
In Daenerys defense, she probably just "forgot" what her actual character traits used to be.
I maintain that cutting such pivotal characters/plots from the story are the biggest issues for these characters' storylines. Cause cutting out Young Griff is detrimental to Dany: the false dragon thing would cause so much conflict for her and actually explain why she would torch King's Landing. Cutting out the valonquar part of Cersei's prophecy ruined her ending and Jaime's (cause I'm certain Jaime is meant to kill her but they chose to have Jon kill Dany instead so they couldn't do it twice). And cutting Lady Stoneheart is what ruined Arya because so much of Arya's story is tied to the Riverlands and justice and revenge and how she's on a collision course with the husk of her mother and is going to give the gift of death to finally put Caitlyn's revenge quest to rest. Caitlyn slaughtering the Frey's makes way more sense than Arya doing it and turning into a weird psycho killer.
And the gall that Dan and Dave had saying 'who has a better story than Bran the Broken?' when they were the ones to fully cut him out for an entire season is astonishing.
Not to mention what makes Bran qualified to be king? How was his story better than anyone elses who was in that circle listening to Tyrion poor out such pitiful bs? He did nothing useful for most of the show except f things up for other characters. ANYBODY had a better story then him.
See if Dany’s arc into darkness had been handled and executed as well as Jinx’s from Arcane, maybe I wouldn’t hate it so much. But because they rushed it so badly, it didn’t come from a genuine place and it never felt like it was earned in the way it should be.
Jinx starting a war after embracing herself as the forever failure she’s never been able to escape? That’s powerful.
Dany torching an entire city? A decision not built up to or earned by the writers in the way it should be. And to this day, I cannot stand how much they ruined her character by rushing through everything.
Jinx is cancer, always ban Jinx
5:42 I will always stand by the fact that they literally could have had Arya wear Littlefinger's face after his execution and sneak into King's Landing as said individual, but for some reason this is never an idea. Same with Jaime upon entering Winterfell, though I would have preferred Arya doing the Littlefinger dress up.
I read a comment somewhere that said the faceless assassins can't alter their stature/body size. So it would've just looked like an Arya-sized Littlefinger, which would've been immediately suspicious.
@MickMcGarnackle sadly we don't see much of that in the show, seeing as she was able to pull off Walder Frey without any issues (unless her and Walder are conveniently the same height 🤷♂️)
@@anthonycouture1643 Yeah, that's true. I chalked it up to maybe her making it look like he was hunching over the table, but you're right.
I love that you're still doing these.
Characters ruined by D&D:
basically everyone after they runned out of the books lol
Its fair to say Dumb and Dumber ruined every character that was alive after they ran out of book material. Sad to say youre happy a character died before the end of a series because they would have been ruined later on
I'm so glad Tywin died at the end of season 4 so that the writers couldn't ruin him too.
they shouldve sprinkled danys fall earlier on. Like, in addition to her "dreams coming true"; also show how that plays into her monomania/fixation on the 7 kingdoms.
They easily could've made it work better cause when the reveal on Jon was made aware to her, I for one easily saw it not going well for her.
Have Danny win King's Landing. Have Cersei "surrender". Have Euron shoot a dragon out the sky at that time, then boom, Danny goes mad and fucks shit up out of acute grief and anguish.
Littlefingers death still pisses me off to this day. One of the most Interesting and smart characters in the series killed in one of the stupidest ways. You could tell Dumb & Dumber didn’t have a clue how to write him. Just complete incompetence.
Loras Tyrell should be an honourable mention.
In the books, he joins the king's guard after Renly's death, partly to protect his sister, partly to escape being married off for political reasons.
He said about Renly: "When the sun has set, no candle can replace it."
In the show, he just fu**ed the first pretty boy who smiled his way after Renly was dead. 🙄
Great video. I especially agree with your statement on Little Finger
We're still beating this dead horse after almost 5 years and I'm here for it!!!
I keep coming back to this. Especially the analysis of littlefinger 😅
David and Dan"s intellect is strong enough to write them" 😅
here we go again.. the pain is never gonna go away. keep doing these, i will grab some popcorn and enjoy the ride
The ending would have been better imo if jon got the throne and dany decided westeros was too different to essos and returns to essos. Thus, a king who didn’t want it and a queen who gave up the crown she always wanted for the crown she already had
Arias endgame should have been deleting cersei. Shes basically the one responsible for ripping her family apart
I think these ruinations all come down to two things: D&D wanting to hard subvert expectations without realizing how to properly do that and them not being smart enough to write for smart characters.
Amazing you can still dunk on this show's end. I wish you could make a video on the sand snakes. Like we all know they are bad but can't really tell why.
I’m honestly surprised Stannis isn’t on this list he was a character that was ruined way before season 5 Book Stannis is a master strategist and tactician the iron bank actually went to him in the books show Stannis is literally portrayed as an idiot.
Season 8 should have been about the Long night, season 9 the war against Cersei and season 10 about the Mad Queen
Ollena Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell are the only consistent good characters throughout the entire show, it's a shame how both of them died
And the mighty Tywin tops them all. Never had a bad scene where he acted out of character.
Supercuts coming though with another GOATed video! You’re one that’ll never disappoint!
5:21 Its cause dumb and dumber where in love with Massi Williams, as why she was given the Full Fray slaughter, a ridiculous fight with Brianna, given the Littlefinger kill, given the NK kill and spotlighted in KL in 805 not mention some of the biggest plot armor ive ever seen.
Same for Sansa but not that as big of a level.
One character you missed, Stannis Baratheon is one of my favorite characters in the books, but man in the show he SUCKS. Completely misses his whole character, and makes him break the one bond he cares about for literally no reason. I hate how show Stannis is written so much.
Rhaegal dying in King's Landing would actually be ingenious.
Great video, thank you, Mr Delights!
I still mourne about how Dumb & Dumber ruined the best story in the last decade. And I am not giving Mr. Superlazy a free card just because his first 5 books were amongst the best ever written - he let D&D destroy his characters, watched it happen, counted his pennies and still defends D&D. He raised the most beautiful children and abandoned them when they needed him most.
I think Cersei was such a different character that show Cersei isn’t even the same. Book Cersei is a petty idiot who is meant to be comparable to Aerys with very similar paranoia.
Season 1-4 were so good I felt like I was watching history in the making. But after that I felt like I was watching my childhood hero developing a drug addiction. I’m glad I never finished the whole series, I could sense the problems occurring.
ok I've been binging on your videos for a bit now lol I subbed cuz wow there's so much and super helpful to understand GoT and its downfall thanks to the directors lol Thank you for putting in the time and work for these videos :)
They hinted Danys madness since season 1. Plus Lena was pregnant in season 8 so she couldn't do much 😅
U ppl always say this I cba anymore ☠️
I was hoping for Stannis to be in number one, but yeah I agree with all of them except for Jaime, Stannis should definitely be here
And I will never forgive D&D for ruining Littlefinger and Varys, my favorite characters and they were the most intelligent characters, and D&D can’t even write a fitting ending, I HATE D&D for that
They also ruined my boy Stannis, THE MANNIS, they ruined badly
Show-Euron literally only had one/ two moments where he seemed *truly* frightening- when he first came onto Yara's ship, he brought the Jack Sparrow-meets-Freddie Krueger terror a person like Book-Euron was capable of- & a bit later, when he was fighting the Sand Snakes- he struck me as ruthless & scary.
It gets undercut by every other scene that he has- but those were the moments that showed his potential.
I suppose the only argument that _could_ be made with his 'Hot Topic guyliner swagger pirate'-act, is precisely that- that it's an act - but wouldn't that necessitate there being more connective tissue between the two? Letting the audience see just *how much* of an act that his public/ courtly behaviour is?
It comes across as really weak characterisation, in the end- not a surprise that they failed so monumentally on deeper writing levels, given 'themes were for 8th Grade book reports'...
Even in his attack on Yara's ship that was really more of a Victarion thing
Man I hope the Jon snow sequel explains that Bran was responsible for everything in got. The mad king and characters doing dumb stuff
Best most consistent character: Tywin Lannister. Smart, Cunning, Powerful. His fatal mistake, not understanding Tyrion's rage.
Aemond Targaryen is more like Book!Euron than....well, Euron.