Disney is Perfectly Happy With Their Catastrophic Downfall
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what CATASTROPHIC downfall?
We really are in an age where record companies, big movie makers and even game companies are failing because people just don’t want to support the lackluster contact being made anymore. It should be very interesting to see how Indie companies and even Indie developers will be raising the fame soon because they’re making the stuff we actually want to see.
Did you forget the years of them telling us: don't like it, don't buy/watch it? They dug their grave while we were warning them. Let them rot. They chose this.
@@genericanimecharacter430 I haven’t, that’s why I said it’ll be interesting to see all these big companies fall and us peons build up the next generation.
Record companies? If you mean CD/Vinyl etc, I don’t agree with it. But I’m not sure what you mean.
@@siqnoir3626 RECORD companies. UMG. SONY music.
@@siqnoir3626she means music labels
I wouldn’t care less about Disney falling to ruin, the only thing I feel bad for are the people who are treated poorly and genuinely wanted to create good products.
This!
Weird. Patrick's video was about demonizing gay culture as the reason movies don't make money even though he brings up examples of straight movies not making money without them being straight as being the reason they failed.
A movie with a gay couple will always be a failure because of the gay couple kissing, otherwise it is Disney's fault?
Think about your life experience, how Patty just made you a homophobe. Cheers.
YO FR
I agree, but I'm more worried about DeSantis claiming a win for this and using it to his advantage.
But how do the people making these films and shows think they are doing a good job
the hunchback was the only Disney movie i liked as a kid because it was more dark and sophisticated emotionally. I think adults severely underestimate the intelegence of children.
Check out the Black Cauldron, its slept on but if you like dark disney its one of the best
Adults always underestimate our intelligence, especially when it comes to media like series and movies
This reminds me of how marketing for kids is actually for parents and not kids as kids do often like darker subjects.
@@Kitkandiethey did a study with babies and toddlers, giving them plushies ranging from biologically accurate bears to teddy bears and found that babies had no preference while toddlers preferred more accurate bear plushies. They then asked parents, who thought that children preferred the teddy bears.
I always tell people this, kids are WAYYYY more intelligent than we give them credit for. They deserve good movies! And so does everyone else. People have made it seem like animation is only for kids, but it is not, they are both for kids and adults. And a lot of animators know this and a lot of writers do as well but executives and money makers will forever and always see dollar signs than actual high quality movies.
Disney buying up their more successful competitors and dragging them down from their success is literally the best example of "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me"
It's what I would do if I had the power. I wouldn't just sit back and let someone dethrone me patting them on the back as I fall
IF I CAN'T HAVE YOUR MONEY NOBODY CAN
I'm wondering if Disney would've ever been given the go-ahead to create a near-monopoly like this if it wasn't for Robert Bork's machinations with the Supreme Court in One Nine Eight Three.
Disney’s motto: “Can’t beat them? Buy them.”
and now they have run out of upcoming talent to buy...
😂
@@PatrickCc they better get to putting actual work into their movies now
@@PatrickCcDon’t worry dude, if Sony made a comeback with Into the Spider-Verse. I know Disney will do the same.
@@PatrickCcand now they gonna self sabotage and hope that the partners drop out so they can re gain total ownership n control I think it’s all a long term plan
Fun fact: DreamWorks Animation would try compete by copying the Disney formula but would always fall flat with the Prince of Egypt being an exception. Ironically a movie that would poke fun at fantasy troupes and became somewhat a Disney satire would end up becoming their biggest animated film and that is Shrek.
r/saltierthankrayt is a subreddit dedicated to ignoring the collapse of the rat kingdom (Disney)
Anastasia also slaps
DreamWorks have made a few good films
It never works out to be a cheap imitation, you need to bring your own unique elements to the mix.
@@MajorOctofuss Anastasia was by Don Bluth under Fox. And was pretty much his last hurrah.
Dinosaur was the single best thing that ever happened when I was a little dino nerd. It looked so impressive.
It isn't the matter of Ariel being black now, it's the fact that nothing original was made instead. I promise if they had come up with another mermaid movie with the lead being black nobody would have an issue
Exactly,I been saying that on the cartoon,aerial has a black mermaid friend they could made a story about her or left it as is and just had a strong black support character
Either a spin-off or a spiritual successor would've been better than a remake. There's a reason sequels are more common in video games than remakes!
Wow you're so naive. You really believe that? Anything with a black lead is considered woke now. If any studio released a black mermaid movie I promise you the Republicans are gonna make 100 woke rant videos about it.
I really believe Disney has become one of their own villains: a comically uncaring, grasping, money hoarding, “I am always right and if you don’t agree I’ll snuff you out“ - villain.
Well, technically China bought them and all of hollywood out. Disney is now this disney because of an ideology and china's hate of America.
it always was
Sounds like leftists in a nutshell
@@marknystrom1984 It applies to all of politics, tbh (Edit: although, as the guy below me says, this has less to do with political agendas and more to do with making money - Disney higher-ups don't seem as progressive as they want to come across.)
@@MineCrapSteve This is less politics and more just giant money grubbing corporation trying to figure our how to make money on the culture war . . . and failing at it. I mean, I don't think executives actually have any principles, which is why their attempts at representation don't really feel . . . well . . . interesting.
It is sad to say that we truly live in an era of media monopolies that buy up their competitors and end up killing historic properties
It's always been that way
@@robbieskids9159 2 IQ
It’s truthfully WILD to me… that people are this surprised!?
These “woke” employees, owe nothing to the modern company.
They have no toil.
Employee stowaways~> expect a mutiny (period)
this is called, a corporatocracy. and it exist bcuz of corporate lobbying that enable shareholders to make unseen before profits.
thats bs not like this @@robbieskids9159
Movies with LGBT are not failing because of LGBT they were just written poorly
No matter what each person’s sexual orientation, identity, religious belief or minority, people love inspiring stories.
Inspiring stories are wonderful. What Disney looks like they're doing is pushing their social beliefs first, and the story is an afterthought. It's too fast and it leads to pushback. If the focus was on an amazing story about a great person who just happened to be a POC- like they did in the noughties- then people would love it.
Apparently in the snowflake world we live in now, people can only relate to a story if it includes people who look like them in it.
Jesus bless you. ❤
@@frankanon4450 Or perhaps you have an issue immersing yourself in a story that has diverse characters. Why does it matter if there's an Asian, a black, a homosexual or whatever else in the story. I'd even argue back then they made more of a caricature of them than now - something that's criticized so vehemently now. Or do you want to go back to the caricatures of the past where the gay is always flamboyant and annoying, the Asian always slit-eyed and smart and the black always dying first?
Disney needs this.
Disney is the perfect example of how greed destroys a business.
Greed is how you thrive as a business in todays world
@@TheFartGod69 a sad truth
How did greed destroy Disney?
@@eadweard. Keep watching the video, or any video on Disney for that matter.
@@Hepheat75 Truly a sin that will eliminate the human race someday.
If Disney really wanted to represent communities that historically have not been properly represented in the past, then they should write a good plot around these characters. It feels like they’re just saying “Hey look there’s a (insert minority here) character in this movie, give us money.
Man as a gay Mexican guy I completely agree. It’s so infuriating seeing companies think that having a token minority makes up for all their past mistakes. I don’t care how much representation a show has, if it’s plot is horrible then there’s no point. There are a lot of good examples of shows making big strides, and Disney isn’t part of any of them.
@@topdon.goldist At least Black Panther was originally a black character, and not a lazy race swap. I love how companies say they want to "represent" minorities, but they constantly race swap gingers, even though their are far less gingers then black people in this world. I guess you don't count as a minority if you're white? People need to stop celebrating companies doing this, they don't care about social issues, companies don't make merch during pride month because they care about the LGBT community, they do it because it's good pr, and makes them a shit ton of money. I don't understand why people continue to fall for this.
That's exactly what they are doing it comes of as pandering and phony most people don't care about the diversity shtick but when they don't add anything to the story and are shoved into every story for political brownie points it's cringe
@themightycongueror8383 and why do you care then
Tbf, the community would still gladly pay for it regardless of how much it sux
So you’re telling me Disney bought 2 sports teams just because they wanted to make a hockey and baseball movie? Nahhh 💀
I was already an adult Hollywood news junkie when Aladdin was released, and although there were some low murmurs about general stereotyping in the movie, I assure you that there was zero mainstream controversy in the 90s about Robin Williams being white.
To my memory, people nowadays are more upset about the opportunities being taken away from non-whites than white people being allowed to represent non-white cultures otherwise.
Fun Fact: When Pixar was creating Toy Story they were having trouble with character movements and they actually called Big Idea Productions and asked them about certain techniques they used on Veggie Tales.
yep, also at one point later in time, some Pixar employees left Pixar to work at Big Idea. Also, Big Idea pioneered a way of animating ocean water for their movie "Jonah"
@@OdaKathat’s interesting. Though the other pirates one the one that introduced them as working at the food dinner theater place I preferred.
@@ComeAlongKay You preferred the The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything movie over Jonah? Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
@@ComeAlongKayI never grew up watching Veggietales generally, although I do still have the dvds.
Veggie Tales is a millennial childhood staple!
even years later it's still baffling how disney fumbled the whole star wars situation. the fact that they didn't even bother to plan the entire trilogy and just started winging it is insane.
The director Ryan crying online (figuretively) because people critized him, probably didn't help
I don't know WHY they chose to wing it and not take their time. I guess we'll never know.
@@bluegold1026 hubris plain and simple.
Rian Johnson made an ok Sci-Fi movie,
He just didn't make a good Episode 8.
They fired a bunch of directors who were trying to do that until they found a director willing to just make a crappy movie.
As an animator and extremely passionate storyteller, this situation is aggravating.
The way an amazing company could go from caring for their characters and stories to this is beyond me.
Toy Story 5, Frozen 3 & 4, among other sequels being in the works? Disney’s only card is sequels we don’t need. Profiting off of characters whose stories were finished a long time ago. Where’s the character development and genuine story in that? No where.
However, I am glad people are praising other companies now like Dreamworks and indie studios.
Godzilla Minus One performed amazingly versus the high budget bland ones we’ve been getting, and their 15m budget showed for it.
This makes me sad, but at the same time excited. We as a community of movie lovers get to shed light on smaller creators with much bigger passions, rather than big companies with money as their only priority.
Screw Disney. The 20s are looking to be about indie animation.
I always preferred Dreamworks over disney, but they've turned into a money game now too
From the perspective of a parent right now, it's also kind of sad that they're just so lost. My oldest barely missed Frozen coming out but it was a huge thing for her growing up, and the solid releases kept being well, solid. Her first movie experience was Inside Out, and being old enough to really enjoy Moana. The run up to their "flops" mentioned in this video are still endearing to us, but Encanto & Turning Red marked the last ones. They never cared for Lightyear, that other movie (strange world?) and while the youngest one did like Elemental, and up to a certain point wish that's pretty much it for it. I have no interest in seeing where they go with all the sequels and live actions nobody asked for. As someone who loved starwars, I would have loved to show them something of that universe, but after going to the theme parks, they just want to hang out with Chewbacca and fly the Millenium Falcon, and are completely disinterested by Rey.
Shorter form animation (formerly TV episodes) is...even more dire. The only thing propping them up is exactly what you mention, and indie project. Bluey, from Ludo studios in Australia. Bluey is THE animated show, loved by many of us, but thankfully, Disney only has distribution rights. They'd be nowhere without it, and it must be killing them that Ludo has the BBC on their side, otherwise they'd have gotten their hands on it already and ruined it.
"Whitewashing" he's literally blue
Disney is a Prime example of 'Either you die a hero or Live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain'.
Theyve always been the villain even walt was known for shady stuff thievery and antisemitism
I love this quote. I’ll have to copy it
@xmochix604 brah. the line is a cliché. which means it's been said a million times alrdy. how have u not heard it before? and copy a cliché? just remember it.
@@TheMrfoxguyantisemitism is a joke
Disney has always been the villain, do some reading.
Ziegler is the embodiment of what Disney has become. The only reason she made those comments in the first place is because she’s reflecting the attitude Disney seems to have about its own work as well.
She’s not saying anything new, these talking points have been repeated in mainstream for years. She’s just more blatant about it and yeah, it’s embarrassing Disney cause they try not to say the quiet part out loud.
She’s an egotistical child that virtue signals how wonderful and progressive she is to people like you because even if the millions she makes aren’t enough she has suckers like you to defend her till her death
@@SaneManPritch Now to my understanding a bunch of the "valid points" she makes are taken out of context, such as the prince stalking Snow White. He never stalks her and he's barely in the film he only notices Snow White because he hears her singing and wants to talk to her and when he meets her she gets scared and runs off because she isn't used to seeing people out in the forest. The prince kisses snow white because only true loves kiss will wake her from her coma. In those interviews she acts as if wanting to fall in love is a bad thing.
This also happened with the Little Mermaid Remake people claimed that certain parts of that Film were outdated while completely ignoring their context.
@@SaneManPritch "There's nothing wrong with pointing out how society has changed"
No one said there was.
"Her points are completely valid. And people criticising her are just dumb."
more like: "Her points are completely valid, and people criticising her are dumb because I agree with her"
@@SaneManPritchIt's not just her own narrative, it's Gal Gadot also saying that "she's not gonna be saved by the prince and shes not gonna look for true love, she's gonna be the leader her father wanted her to be"
First of all, what's so wrong with looking for true love ? is love a bad thing ? of course not, they are pushing the dumb ladyboss false feminist agenda through this
Second of all, the leader that her father wanted her to be....uhh what leader ? or more so, leader of what ? 7 dwarves and a bunch of wildlife ? no idea what that means.
Also the dwarves in the movie aren't even all dwarves, theres only 1 dwarf and 6 normal people 💀.
There are many actors who are higher up in the getting roles ladder than her who earn less than her and shes the only one whining about not getting paid enough.
She's just an ungrateful, disrespectful and illiterate human being
i mean it’s definitely valid to say that you shouldn’t kiss an unconscious girl but otherwise like…yeah ofc society has changed. the movie is still iconic tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe it’s better just to leave it in the past tbh cos tryna update ‘outdated’ properties almost never works :/ (*cough cough* rocky horror picture show *cough cough*)
edit: also, if you can’t appreciate the original source material - flaws and all - then you’re not qualified to be the face of the updated version. your desire to improve the older version should come from a place of love first and foremost.
Kind of a shame Princess and the Frog didn't even get a mention. I know it was a dud financially speaking, but man I love that movie!
I can't believe that out of all things mentioned in this video, the main thing that blew my mind is the fact that Ralph Breaks The Internet is apparently critically respected. That movie was AWFUL.
Nuh uh
It was a good movie. The only part I hated about it was the ads literally in the movie
@@Sky_Watchers That didn't happen to be the same reason it only got a 64% on the Flixster Popcorn Bucket, was it?
Are we really surprised that Bob Iger, the man who recently said "We're planning on making these WGA/AGA strikes go on long enough that people start losing their homes and feeling the pain and end the strikes" is the guy who ruined Disney?
Wow. I hadn’t heard that. What a pos.
@@Fiona_InterruptedAgreed.
What W man
Class warfare in his own words
@@mr.fahrenheit7009I don’t understand working class idiots like yourself supporting people who would leave you starving for fun.
It's criminal that you didn't mention their Disney Channel division in the 2010s. Gravity Falls, Amphibia, Ducktales, and TOH were great and it ended recently after they cancelled TOH.
Disney Channel was the best part of Disney (other than marvel and Star Wars, but those don’t really count) for the last 10 years and they have been shutting down popular shows left and right. It sucks how Disney only just realized how popular shows like the owl house were after shutting them down. Now Disney’s social medias are flooded with clips of The Owl House and Amphibia even though they literally just cut them short because they ‘don’t fit the Disney brand’. I want everyone to realize the insane irony of a company saying something ‘doesn’t fit their brand’ and then advertising the absolute shit out of it even though they just cancelled it. Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, I’m kinda in a mood about this rn.
Shall we go into Tbe Owl House, or better not? XD
I also hate how he painted Disney as pro LGBTQ+ instead of anti, as they are. Gravity Falls, Amphibia, and TOH were all three amazing shows that included LGBTQ representation (the cops in Gravity Falls, Marcy in Amphibia (which might be more a fannon thing, so please correct me), and Luz and Amity from TOH) that were also BIG for the company but shut out and cancelled. Dana Terrance, the creator of The Owl House, even LEFT the company as soon as they finished Watching and Dreaming. After Amphibia and The Owl House ended there was also no need for me and my sister (who had watched both shows and loved every millisecond of it) to watch anything else on Disney+ because there was nothing that fit our demographic. Made for Young Teens, Animated, and set in a Fantasy world. It's heartbreaking to think about what more we could of seen from all three of these shows, and if they weren't cancelled, maybe they'd all be running side by side, and Disney would of been as strong as ever.
Anti? You're on crack
@@Roeseii I’m pretty sure Gravity Falls wasn’t cancelled, but went out on its own terms without interference from Disney, unlike the other two that you mentioned.
If your angry with robin williams as the genii that’s insane, that was one of the most iconic roles ever
to be fair, soul kinda got screwed by covid and has an excellent plot
Can't wait to tell my grandkids about Disney. A company who made inspiring and beautiful movies, but then got blinded by money and went bankrupted.
Edit: People are replying saying Disney is still doing well. I meant in the future. I know they are still doing well. This was supposed to be more of a joke comment.
Pissney was never pure.
@@user-qd4td7yb8ehow, just asking
@@user-qd4td7yb8e Your right they were never the best to begin with.
They're not going to go bankrupt; they got a bank like Blackrock behind them. Blackrock can ax any company by punishing advertising companies and other companies that choose to do business with Disney.
@@ZacktheAwesomeness At least they had some great artists and writers under the wing at times
Disney's problem isn't greed or a lack of soul, it's creativity. Pixar did this well. At Pixar, anyone could pitch an idea, regardless of rank. That's why their films were so successful. Disney needs good IPs to make money, and good IPs are born from good ideas. But good ideas don't come from corporate hierarchies, they come from an open and equal environment.
It’s both greed and lame of creativity that is Disney’s problem. They both feed into each other too.
Yes, I don't understand why this seems to be so complicated for them!! You have all the money in the world, find the people that are passionate and unite them and give them some space to come up with stuff!!
@@evandercaldwell9993 Corporate cowardice.
Plus they’re all pedophiles
What do you say about the CEI rating
One word that comes to mind when you’re looking at Disney’s downfall, “Tokenism” this isn’t representation this is tokenism and they’re getting away with it which is wild.
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Disney will always be an unhinged happy-go-lucky, just like Paul Rudish's unhinged version of Mickey Mouse.
Are they at least comparable to the Mickey Mouse who beat one of the Jonas Brothers into submission in an argument about purity rings and mistook Cartman, Stan, and Kyle for Dreamworks spies?
I remember when I was 5 years old watching The Lion King, my dream job was to become an animator for Disney. I would spend hours pausing the movie and drawing frame-by-frame what I saw.
Then years later they announced they would be moving away from 2D animation and I was devastated.
I don't think Disney knows what their audience really wants. And sometimes I worry they also don't care...
Disney moved away from 2D because all their 2D movies were bombing.
Animate your own film. Sure it'll take years but even if it doesn't do well you can proudly say "That's my movie and I'm passionate about it."
Assume the worst. They 90% likely don't care.
This resonated with me: I used to dream of being an animator. Never dared to get good after seeing/learning how sh*tty they are being treated, especially under Disney, a corporation that now ironically goes against Walt Disney's quote of "I don't make pictures just to make money. I make money to make more pictures"...
At least we still have Dreamworks, I guess
Good for you though. You mept your art alive and learned more than if you just watched cartoons.
I spent 5 years teaching myself 3D animation; when Toy Story came out Adobe bought up all the 3D software competition and that was when I had to get a commercial job.
Still, I learned so much I finally got work as a 2D illustrator and what I learned went into that.
This was more of a trip down memory lane.
You never answered why Disney is happy with losing money
Same! I thought he will answer it at the end but no
The answer I get is at the final part of the video :
Disney was enslaved and forced to obey every point HRC made, with Blackrock pointing the gun at their heads.
@@ITBEurgavaThe same way they did with Bud Light, I guess.
Last couple of minutes
They did, but it was the last minute or two. They've become enslaved to a globalist corporatist fascist mega-corp that wants to use media to turn us into mindless consumers and push us away from values and lifestlyes that are self-sufficient and sustainable. Aka, they're using "woke" to push you to be a consuming puppet.
Disney lost the magic, disregarded their fans and fed into the wrong trends. I can see Disneyland failing eventually.
Disney didn’t make Morbius, they also didn’t make Deadpool 1 & 2. The fact you get so many details like this wrong makes it seem like you don’t do any research.
Ehh Deadpool is part of Marvel owned by Disney! So is Morbius !
The first disney villain was power hungry, and wanted to snuff out her competition, she ended up using something else to affect her and make her win, but ultimately made her ugly in the process...
Modern disney is power hungry, wants to snuff out the competition, ends up using other properties to affect them to make them more money, but ended up dragging them down and making them look bad in the process...
eesh
WHO WAS IT!?!?!?
Disney never realized that Snow White foreshadowed their downfall, because now they don't care.
Disney the ultimate Disney villain. I like it!
The Evil Queen 👑
End up crossing her self.
crazy how Disney back then shot down an early version of Toy Story for being "too mean spirited" and "sending out the wrong message to kids"
how lucky did we all used to be that companies actually cared about stuff like that. Particularly Disney.
Pissney was always garbage. Lucifer is the name they gave to the cat of the protagonist who called him "Your highness" with sarcasm as an obvious pretext to declare who really owned and owns Pissney: Satan.
One of the main forces that kept it that way back in the 90’s was Roy E. Disney, Walt’s nephew who personally did all he could to keep Disney Animation alive before it almost closed up after some pretty lackluster, soulless, and cheap films in the 70’s and 80’s. Roy always pushed for quality, talent, and money to make a film like Beauty and the Beast with tasteful CG-enhanced animation such as the ballroom scene versus The Aristocats or Oliver & Co. which aren’t bad films, but are clearly of a lower degree than what Disney started putting out in the 1990’s. He never wanted his family’s company to loose sight of itself in pursuit of profits and had numerous fights with other members of the board.
That was Pixar. At the time Pixar and Disney were two different companies, it's basic knowledge
@@compa6251 right, sorry. Was never that into pixar so didn't really think about it.
I think it's still fair to say early Disney was a lot different and at least had some sense of moral compass. I grew up with Winnie the Pooh in the early 2000s era and it was completely different energy than anything Disney would do now, and that's not just nostalgia talking either. So I think my point largely still stands.
Yup, and nowadays we'll get drag queens or gender identity stuff on kids shows, ain't life fun?
There is nothing to watch, nothing at all, except the latest Martin Scorsese film.
Hollywood and Disney are like deflated balloons😮
Now my grandchildren and I have switched back to old films from the 60s-90s, when there were still talented screenwriters and directors.
So Disney, in 2024 I won't give you a single dollar 👎😁 for your crap movies.
TLDR version:
The board is more interested in investor dollars than customer dollars
Small note: The Little Mermaid probably actually lost Disney money because the movie somehow, inexplicably, cost $250 million to make - and that's not considering the marketing costs.
The fact that Disney can turn a movie that is making over $500 million into a net loss is quite impressive.
The little mermaid definitely LOST money.
@@RocioNicteProbably just for money laundering🙄
They are stupid!
@@RocioNicte Look up "hollywood accounting" No movie ever makes money. Yet somehow studios that have never produced a profitable film on paper never go out of business.
Don’t forget that studios only get half of the gross, with the other half going to the theaters. So in today’s age, for a 200mil movie plus at least 100mil in marketing, you’d have to gross at least 600mil just to get even. With more and more films costing around 500mil inlc. P+R, you see how practically every movie is a flop if it’s not a mega mega blockbuster
Seeing what Disney is now hurts me, even as a minority. I don’t give a shit if a character is the same gender as me or a different race, I care if the character and the story they’re in is fun and entertaining. If I feel empathy for them, or if they make me laugh or have a fun song.
That!!! As a kid I never had any problems relating to any character, regardless of race and gender, as long as that character was presented in an understandable and relatable way. The big companies like Disney have lost all sense of what makes a good character and story :'(
@@mariaseras8661I think it's honestly the writing. I don't believe these screenwriters who are protesting deserve a raise. The quality of writing of all Hollywood movies has drastically gone down ever since 2010. Instead of having at least one new movie a year where the writing was so good that it created fans for life and kicked off an entire franchise. They just rehash and revive old franchises and the writing is terrible to boot. They believe that fancy CGI is more important then dialogue and character arcs. They're wrong. The screenwriters don't deserve a raise frankly. Sorry but it's true. I really feel Hollywood can't compete with Indie production companies and foreign movies. They just genuinely can't. They keep throwing more and more money into special effects and making new movies of existing franchises and believing that's enough. Writing is the most important thing. A Movie can still be great if the special effects aren't great or if there are no special effects. A Movie can still be fantastic on an extremely small budget. But a movie cannot be good if the writing is bad. Even if it is a perfect movie in every other way. The writing is the only thing that matters. Video games are putting out better and more compelling stories now then Hollywood is.
@@WhitneyDahlin I dont thing they dont know what they're doing and also I dont think that its the writers fault, corporate people making decitions while not caring to who and how, while the productions keeps being carried by greedy inverstors on a invisible hand driven market things are not going to change much...
Really?? I find this extremely difficult to believe, that your skin color doesn't automatically dictate your opinions and values. Inconceivable! After all, I've been told for the better part of two decades that my skin color means I have no soul, no empathy, that I am literally the worst person on the planet and can do nothing about it. It is impossible for me to change no matter how hard I try because my sins are generational, evils inherited from my ancestors, and I will need to spend the rest of my life in sniveling penance for the crimes they committed.
It doesn't matter that there is no such thing as generational crime or generational suffering. It doesn't matter that ascribing blame due to skin color is the very definition of racism. It doesn't matter that I was brought up to understand that race and ethnicity don't determine worth as a person. All of that is wrong, and I must pay. Therefore, so must you. No matter how hard you try, you will always be a victim. You will always be worth less. You will always be worthless. Haven't you figured that out yet?
(Please, _please_ tell me that you got the profuse sarcasm here, or I will have to go throw up in the other room.)
see thats the issue today. the world has taught us we cant sympothsize or feel a connection with acharacter unless we identify with them by gender or race. we forget we are al human and have human emotions
The Best Storyteller Hands Down. Great Work Patrick👏👏
Honestly I thought video would have more to say on the corporate driven profit side of Disney and how it related to it's down fall. Not the fact that LGBQT+ is the reason why Disney is failing. And if that were the case, I was hoping you'd at least go in-depth with how representation in media caused Disney fail with numbers and charts. Cause honestly Disney showing representation is only 0.1% of an entire movie and it would barely effect the overall story and production of a movie.
It was most likely some of the higher-ups at Disney overinvesting in representation theatre. The other half of the equation could just as easily be as simple as slashing the screenwriting and storyboard budgets.
Disney was also well known for keeping the “Short film before the feature” tradition alive. They were one of the last studios to still do the tradition of putting a short film or cartoon short before the main movie.
Pixar still does it 🙏🙏🙏
I think that was just Pixar all along wasn’t it
@@erickcr8778It was Pixar. Disney wasn’t giving any thing away for free. Pixar did a short film before their movies to see how movie goers liked it. If they did like it they would make a full length movie out of it like with Monsters Inc.
The ironic thing here is that Disney does not care about inclusion and diversity at all, they are just trying to hit that damn high score. I would say if they are really succesfull at the box office that could shield them just enough from outside investors and influences.
Yes, because in other countries, Disney doesn't even try to do what they do here in America. They don't, because they know that different countries have firm religious, or just firm cultural, stances on topics that are just not up for debate, or even considered thinkable in those cultures. Here in America, society is less-rigid. Disney tries to take advantage of the lgbtq, and more liberal minded people, as if they are a hive mind. Not all conservatives are exactly the same, and likewise for liberals. There are a lot of people in the lgbtq communities that feel Disney is pandering to them, as if they're stupid, and going to always lap it up. That's on Disney for abusing, and belittling consumers of that demographic.
Somewhere along the way, Disney has become of the mindset that they will make more money, if they imply support for liberal causes, and then in the actual films, those moments pan out to be blink-and-you'll-miss-it, or just talking about it throughout the film. That's dishonest, and it leads people on, only to be disappointed. I know someone who used to work for Disney, and now hates them, because of "hypocritical" behavior, and not fulfilling promises.
Disney has lost sight of making quality films, rather than quantity. Also, their hypocritical nature has turned off a lot of their former supporters.
That’s the most frustrating part of this video. He talks about them trying to meet these quotas but that doesn’t necessarily negate them making good movies?
EEAAO won best picture and was both a commercial/critical success while having an almost all Asian cast and a lesbian main character. Not to mention her sexuality (and her mother’s homophobia) is front and center for most of the movie.
Black Panther is also a movie Disney themselves made that is both commercially/critically successful while also ticking certain “diversity” checkboxes.
Diversity itself isn’t a problem and does not mean a movie will be bad. The problem wrt to Disney and diversity is they treat diversity like if it’s a selling point itself and not just a natural part of the story. Particularly when it comes to same sex relationships where they’re too cowardly to naturally integrate it into a story (and let’s be real, Disney didn’t make an effort to make Strange World succeed with its poor marketing campaign) and instead go with the “let’s make it a quick editable moment” approach. Which as has been pointed out just pisses off anyone who would have been interested in representation and naturally triggers every homophobe on the planet.
The pandering is a symptom and not the cause of Disney’s recent woes. It’s laziness and cheapness at the heart of it. Why make an effort of making good representation when you can just make it a throwaway line? Why make an effort at all when you expect your audience to eat up any old slop covered in preexisting IP (namely the lazy live action remakes and the recent rushed MCU/starwars projects)?
Diversity and inclusion done by Disney usually is horrible because they want to make that one trait of the character some kind of "superpower", even though it's something that should be treated as normal like everything else and like I said, it should be treated as a normal trait for that one character.
Just don't make it their whole personality like they do, make the character like other "normal" characters you'd make, y'know- It shouldn't be treated as something special, because it really isn't. People will never stop the prejudice if they keep bringing and making stuff that is uncalled for, like changing something that was a certain way before and saying "wE MUsT HaVE DiVErSITY" so people agree with them. (*cough* Little Mermaid *cough*)
What Disney is with regard to inclusion and diversity was best described by Mike from the Red Letter Media crew. They are "Passive Progressive". They want the scene or the line that they can point to and say "see we are progressive". It's embarrassing and pathetic.
Not true. If they didn't care about it, then they wouldn't lose money on it.
Disney Lived long Enough as they became the villains themselves.
The real truth is that many of the stories being told don't hold up to the realities of the world. And people have become overstimulated and bored of the same stories told over and over.
I think it's also worth noting how poorly Disney has treated their animated tv shows lately.
Showrunners Dana Terrace (The Owl House) and Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls) have come out at length about how difficult it was to work with Disney.
Hirsch even made a documentary exposing the troubles he faced and essentially said he'd never work with Disney again.
Also super recently there's the Oye Ninos incident (essentially a super offensive Hispanic Loud House) which really shows Disney's lack of effort for making well-made and interesting new TV cartoons.
Also don't forget they leaked amphibia's season endings TWICE!! I feel so bad for the amphibia crew
What's the Alex Hirsch's documentary you mentioned?
I want to watch it!
How do you make your life miserable? Get 10 corporate dick jockeys to justify their paycheck all over your project
Im surprised disney hasnt got someone else to make a season 3 of a movie of gravity falls.(probably because Alex voiced 90% of the cast)
Disney is such a big company it feels like they just dont really care about their first, original studio anymore. They are so out of touch. They only care about money investors and profits. I wish there was a reality where they just stuck to creating films and did not become one of these soulless companies that want to own everything and just farm money. This is the biggest con of capitalism, the more money someone has, the more he can buy, more easly, and then make even more money without really doing anything, and then buy even more and so on and so on.
I wish disney just sticked to creating films in their own studios that they created.
The fact Disney was allowed to gobble up so much market share in different industries just shows how little our monopoly laws are enforced.
Wb viacom youtube all have huge shares idiot
Disney buying so much stock in so little time has finally got them fatigued, they should let go of star wars and fox.
@@justinarzola4584 they own less than 20 percent of the industry idiot
@@justinarzola4584 I really hope so
Monopoly laws were always meant only to be used by large companies to prevent smaller ones from getting bigger, and for politicians to profit.
This is a blast from the past. My man!
4:40
It ain't like you had to zoom in to see them. Lol
The hunchback of Notre dame is honestly an iconic Disney movie, where they weren’t shy in exploring ideas such as people being discriminated because of how they look or where they came from. Now, Disney is stuck in a loop hole of “oh it’s too inappropriate for kids! And other stuff like that. Well fun fact Disney, all the “kids” are now mostly grown up. Even if a movie was “too inappropriate” for kids, take the hunchback for an example! I watched that as a kid and didn’t find it inappropriate, instead I found it inspiring. Yes there are some things that may be too inappropriate for kids, like woody having that mean persona, (and I’m glad they changed the story,) but honestly they should explore more in unpopular opinions or things that are not said enough.
I agree. One of my favorite types of movies are things that pretend to be children's movies. It's packaged in a way that kids can enjoy, but has deeper meanings and themes that the adults will enjoy as well. Hunchback fits into this category, but kinda fails at the pretending bit (still a great movie as an adult though)
@@garrettrinquest1605absolutely,Disney only cares about what's safe and cares more for quantity over quality,most of the best art takes risks and isn't afraid of being experimental,this is why the the best period of Disney was the late 90's/ early 2000s,
@@Xiuying.officialit's like you haven't seen how people are saying barbie is woke
@@justinarzola4584Pocahontas was actually really risky but actually turned out really good. No matter what the project is you will piss off a group. I wish Disney didn't care and just made quality art with solid human truths.
@@Xiuying.official Barbie is good but putting Trans characters isn't taking risks since Disney does that already,is that a joke?,seems you missed the point.
I feel like Disney changing original story characters and then trying to frame it as helping racial issues is insane. People with common sense fighting for real racial issues never even asked for this. Disney is just straight up lazy and they did it Because their desperate and is just throwing stuff at the wall hoping it sticks
@@Darth_Bulldogdon't make it a big deal
@@Darth_Bulldog but that's basically what I just said
@@rokie-sensei oh I know trust me racism in Disney is a whole other topic in itself. I just find it insane that people blame "woke people" for all the character changes when its clear they are just trying to make money off of racial issues in such a clown ass way
@@assassin8636 It is a big deal though.
@@assassin8636it is a big deal and if you want a serious explanation and example that includes how this is helping supremacists and Nazi-like movements I’ll be glad to help show you.
When you choose to pander instead of creating good content your company is going to suffer. Yes you are being inclusive, but not for the sake of a good story. It's basically giving out awards for a participation trophy instead of anything of actual merit
So many implications that inclusiveness and going "woke" is what is causing Disney's failures, yet we almost completely dismiss other strategic and creative factors that made it difficult for Disney to maintain its amazing run.
First, why are we minimizing the effects of the pandemic and Disney's response to it by investing into Disney+? Soul, live-action Mulan, Raya, Cruella, Luca, Jungle Cruise, Turning Red, Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers, and live-action Pinocchio all either opened exclusively on Disney+ or concurrently opened on Disney+ along side their box office debuts. All of those films either tanked at the box office or squeaked out marginal profit. I don't know why Soul & Luca were cited as flops when neither had traditional openings.
As for Marvel & Star Wars, both are suffering from the same issues: having poor game plans, little continuity, and bad storytelling. Note that when Disney had a long-term storytelling plan with Marvel - take its most iconic characters, create big self-contained blockbusters with a thread of continuity that were nice but unnecessary to get emotionally involved in the story, and build to a huge climax in Infinity War & Endgame - it worked. Had Disney focused on telling one overarching Star Wars trilogy with that same level of detail in mind, they would've been much more successful. Instead, they haphazardly threw out cameos from the original trilogy, making for interesting viral CZcams promos but ultimately undermining the new characters they should have been investing in as the future of Star Wars.
Marvel's post-Endgame mistake was investing too much in the Marvel Streaming Universe and not the Cinematic Universe (notice the Disney+ trend?), so instead of being able to enjoy self-contained blockbusters where continuity was more for die-hard fans that casuals didn't need to understand to enjoy, now you HAD to watch the Disney+ shows to get emotionally invested in the characters on the big screen (ex: watching WandaVision to get invested in Scarlet Witch in DS:MoM, or watching Ms. Marvel to get invested in Kamala Khan in The Marvels).
Now we both agree that Disney has been guilty of some bad storytelling. But I would add that "wokeness" is not the cause of bad storytelling: it's just a scapegoat for right-wing bigots who are looking for an excuse. Encanto, Black Panther, the Miles Morales Spiderman films, Everything Everywhere All At Once are all woke AF, yet their wokeness isn't criticized because all those films tell GREAT STORIES that got the audience invested in the characters immediately: no prior reading necessary. Turn the queer characters hetero, turn Ms. Marvel white again, give Rey a penis, none of those things would've saved those films because the scripts gave the audience no reason to get emotionally involved with those characters. It's Disney cynically slapping on "wokeness" onto factory-generated stories and poorly written characters and expecting audiences will like them is what's wrong. It's quantity over quality at Disney, hence the burnout.
All that said, Disney's demise is greatly exaggerated. They still have all the cash in the world to survive multiple flops, they'll control costs, and eventually they'll find another brilliant creative director to lead Disney into another renaissance.
ALL THIS. It was wild watching this video and seeing how much context he missed, instead just resorting to "Disney's audience hates wokeness and Gen Z."
Thank you! I was scrolling the comments looking for this, that whole last section about the HRC in particular made me cringe (specifically saying supporting LGBT+ organisations was “the big one” for the score when it was worth 20 points and he showed the other factors were worth 5, 25 and 50 points each, so it’s actually the second smallest part not the biggest…)
My only fear is that Disney is going to drag every single franchise that they brought down with them. Imagine losing Marvel, Star Wars, The Simpsons, Pixar, and everything else they had bought just gone bc Disney couldn’t care any less abt it
It's called making something new.
The Sampson’s needs to go now it’s time is long past. Marvel meh, Star Wars was lost Disney started making the films
They need to sell everything except original Disney stuff and focus on that
I wouldn't mind if the Simpsons finally came to an end. I never was a fan of it, but several of the people I grew up with were, and my god they're annoying.
@@alansnow1129 Yeah like their princesse- oh wait...
2 things to note for Disney from this. If you're remaking a much loved classic, make sure the cast actually liked the original & if you want to have a diverse roster of leads, don't introduce them to remakes of old classics, give them their own movie.
Hell, make stories by introducing new characters in the famous stories, you get the original fans and the progressive points.
Give them their own movie? No way, man. Instead we need to race swap existing characters because all these brown people aren't strong enough to warrant their own film, and then we need to make sure we call anyone who objects a racist. Agreed?
i don't think an actor's affinity for a project matters. acting is a job and what matters is how well they do their craft.
@@boolowoertheenappydreaded5359 acting is art. And artists should have at least some level of respect for the subject matter of their art, even if they don't love it.
@@imbaby5499 respect for the material you're conveying isn't the same as liking or respecting what its based on. as long as your portrayal is good your personal feelings should be immaterial. also acting is subjective/personal, not all ppl view it as an art but that doesn't inherently make them or their performance bad for it.
How the hell are they a human rights group but seem to only cater to one group? That is not equality!
GLAAD (/ɡlæd/) is an American non-governmental media monitoring organization. Originally founded as a protest against defamatory coverage of gay and lesbian demographics and their portrayals in the media and entertainment industries, it has since included bisexual and transgender people.
From Wikipedia
The “Human Rights” Group is evil, with a Satanic agenda. If they were truly a Human Rights Movement, then they’d inspire people to respect and love each other _equally,_ as God commands us to. They don’t want their evilness and agenda to be exposed, yet it will be when that Great Day of Judgement comes, when mercy is all but spent.
very cool! Goes right through what was gold to what is going on now! ty for this!
Next do Nickeloden
Disney was literally my childhood. Seeing it fall down is one of the most sad things for me. It feels like they believe movies should be made in quantity not quality. The older movies did so much better because they were teased years before and had been produced for much longer. These newer movies are just quickly put out. Idk if its just the nostolgia or how the world has changed but the cultural impact of the older disney movies is way more than now.
for real. it's really just all about the money now.
Go woke go broke and hungry
Instead of making memorable masterful stories. Filled with proper artistic expression and memorable creations. We keep getting, "the message", over and over and over.
@@sh1kes always has been? disney was a liar, a crook and a thief. their only "original idea" beauty and the beast, they practically scammed and stole from one of their own producers, then fired him.
@@greenmanalishi6963 imagine saying woke unironically
I would argue Disney as a company has always been cold and cynical. Like most companies. It's only now that it's gotten so big and popular that they think they can do whatever they want and control the artists more. That people will watch anything they make. They've become essentially a monopoly, as legally as possible. At least back then, they let the artists do their jobs.
Not in the days of Walt. He wasn’t perfect but that man, and his original teams, had insane amounts of passion, which is kinda the opposite of cold and cynical. Walt Disney is one of the greatest Americans.
Agree. I always thought they were slightly evil. Holding their good stuff off TV and VHS for decades. And in my opinion the Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck shorts are crap compared to Looney Tunes or even Popeye.
"Follow the agenda or lose everything" is absolutely totalitarian. I don't think the average sexually diverse person wants to be the bad guy.
The thing is, they don't have to be. But the communists came in and tried to ram the gay agenda down people's throats in order to attack the family unit: the greatest threat to communist rule.
That’s the thing, they bought IPs that had plans on what their future projects were going to be and the creators of those IP build those characters and worlds. Now that Disney has pushed out those original creators, the understanding of the characters and audience went out the door with them. Instead ideas are coming from the corporate executives and the creative community are given the boot.
@@barnabusdoyle4930 Exactly. They took things over and became more corporate. And so did the companies they bought. I really hope things get better and I think they will in some ways.
I think that if walt Disney saw disney today he probably wanted to gave up his company so this shit does not happen
Nah. Disney now has the distribution rights for Doctor Who and you can already see the "Disney Death Touch". They won't be satisfied until they've ruined everything they can possibly get their hands on.
The last part of this video was truly insightful. A corporate-ruled consumeristic cesspool of a world is the last thing any sane society would want.
The corporations have taken that particular dystopian future as a foregone conclusion for far too long, it's hilarious to see their assumptions being proven wrong time and time again. More and more people are waking up to the correlation between increasing prices and decreasing quality. More and more are unsubscribing, logging off and switching off because there's just nothing worth perusing. Nobody is interested in the world corporate politically-correct maximally-inoffensive focus-groups want to depict, because it's completely devoid of genuine humanity.
It's time for the independent/small companies to shine. We're already seeing a massive resurgence in indie gaming, and the other industries are sure to follow suite.
Great to see that people, who think like you still exist.@@zonesquestiloveunderworld
So stop buying things. Go live in a cave.
It’s called fascism
@@zonesquestiloveunderworldvery well said. Fuck “politically correct social justice pandering” that Disney has been trying to push out. People are finally fed up with their worthless bullshit and it’s finally coming back to bite Disney and the rest of the similar media in the ass.
The funny thing is I accepted Halle Bailey as Ariel since like... she seemed grateful about the role? It was like a dream come true for her, which I guess I was fine with with her living out something she's been wanting since she was a little girl? The Snow White one like you said was infuriating when the chick outright trashed the original and being arrogant. I hope they DO axe her film.
Halle being so gracious about her role right before Zegler's controversy really only served to make Zegler even worse by comparison.
The Little Mermaid live action was following the beats of the animated film. The Snow White live action WILL NOT follow the same beats of the film, it will be more like Mallificent - focusing on the relationship between the Evil Queen and Snow White and Snow's training to become a good ruler. I don't think it makes sense to cast someone who loves the original film in an adaptation that will change everything about the original.
And on a side note, everyone that is complaining that she "wants more money" clearly does not know how Disney treats their actors with box office returns and residuals. They have been ruining Marvel films by arranging filming in a way that no actor knows how important their character is to the plot, making it impossible for agents to negotiate their salaries and contracts. Pretty sure Scarlett Johanson has sued or is suing Disney over how they screwed her over with her contract for Black Widow movie. SCARLETT JOHANSON. A MAIN AVENGER. Got screwed over by Disney ON HER MAIN MOVIE. That's the level we are dealing with here.
@@LunaWitcherArtIt actually didn't. It was horrible. The original little mermaid is better.
@@RozziefeatherschneiderNothing will be like the cartoons. So if you were expecting that then you went in with negativity. But I disagree compared to the other live action films Little Mermaid was decent.
No offense guys but overall who cares if an actor is passionate about the movie? Shouldn’t it only matter if they’re good in the movie?
If everything wasn’t plastered all over social media and people weren’t chronically online… no one would care about any of this. It’s such a modern issue.
I really prefer to judge the art and not the artists. Unless they’re like abusers or something
Deadpool and Deadpool 2 weren’t Disney, they were Fox. Disney bought Fox after they were released and now own the rights.
29:01 Stop. This. This is the opus of this video. A core aspect of Alt-Right dog whistling is mental gymnastics (the act of connecting two drastically different things/concepts by way of leaps in logic, insinuation, and pathos rhetoric). This argument is an excellent example. Yes, the human rights score which each company receives is in part determined by marketing efforts to and inclusion of LGBTQ individuals. However it is also determined by things such as ethics in production of merchandise, average employee salary as proportional to company income, reported discrimination against employees or consumers, etc. To lay it in lavender: organizations which offer a human rights score (which investors may choose to consider when choosing wether or not to invest in a company) are not “LGBT Lobbying Organizations” but rather watch dog groups attempting to give an idea of how seriously the company takes issues such as human rights in its daily function. They are exactly the organizations which keep companies like Disney and Amazon from saying they support LGBTQ rights, then turning around and refusing to hire trans or gay people (I.e. the groups doing the exact vetting which keeps companies from mindlessly pandering without taking the message they claim to support seriously). However, in any good fascist movement; the public must be led to believe that (ethnic, sexual, gender, religious, political, etc) minorities are making an active attempt at destroying “traditional values” in a rhetoric which alludes to some kind of culture genocide. That is exactly what this argument alludes to. By portraying these organization not as watch dogs, but “LGBTQ Lobbying Organizations” one may play into the alt-right fear that “The Gays” (or in other cases blacks, leftists (wokeists), women, etc) are trying to replace our “Traditional values” with their own by “Indoctrinating the children”. This is all just part of the empty rhetoric seeking to make gay people out to be villains working in cahoots with people like Blacks and Jews (As evident in the attacks waged on Barack Obama and George Soros for their support of socially progressive policy) to “Brainwash the children” and “Replace the good, white, Christian nuclear family” and it’s “Traditional values”.
TL;DR: This guy is a talking head pedaling Alt-Right talking pints disguised as “cultural critique.” It is perfectly valid to dislike the watered down nature of modern IPs and media. It is not, however, valid to blame that Star Wars Remake you went to go see not being as good as you hoped it would be on “The Gays”. Instead, thank your own glorification of “Past Meida” (As evident in the opening of this video where he talks about how great things used to be) for allowing Disney, Amazon, and all the other titans to Nostalgia bait you into paying $25 to sit through a hackneyed crap-fest of callbacks and lines which start with “Remember when…” which you only went to go see to relive that summer you were 12.
TL;DR;TL;DR: This is happening because companies know they can nostalgia bait you into watching crap. FFS stop blaming the gays for your own fear of aging.
You cleary haven't read the thing. They cleary are rewarding them for having gay representation.Also none of this splitting has anything to do with this topic. All he said is that disney is trying to respect these restrictions which shouldnt be in place cause it damages their quality. No i don't think that a movie needs to have 30% of it's cast minorities to be able to win awards or a movie needs to have at least 2 black directors. Movie should be rated by their quality not by the people behind it. Would you think that the lion king is a bad movie if it was all an white cast(tbh the only main character black actor in the movie is rafiki). Ofc you would't. Traditional values was refering to the idea of having a family with someone not wth is you stupid word smashing keyboard nsfw style. Companies don't care about gay people; they only care about the money cause they are a bussiness. Deal with it. Just look at bud light. The moment their dylan collab hit the shelves they went bankrupt and stopped doing it. They are doing it for the money
@@brothatsucksActually, he was insinuating that the LGBTQ community is somehow lobbying to control the media and indoctrinate children because the human rights organizations which score companies also support gay rights. Also, he LITERALLY talks about how this is being done to avert children from “Traditional Conservative Values” (he uses those words exactly).
BTW: Of course movies should be judged by their quality and not their political messaging. However, the pandering of Disney films today has nothing to do with some conspiracy theory like he’s pedaling where gays are trying to brainwash kids. Instead, they’re quality is deteriorating and pandering becoming more evident due to a lack of creativity and corporate mindset which rewards recycling ideas/reviving dead IPs with Nostalgia baiting. The pandering is only even done to rile people up and get them talking about that film (aka, its a marketing stunt). Trust me. The Marvels would have been just as awful even if the lead wasn’t a lesbian or a woman. Movies are getting worse because no studio wants to take creative risks on new ideas, not because studios are showing gay people in a more engaged way (even if just for free publicity/social credit).
Umm, it’s because of the LGBTQ+ that many normal people and CHILDREN stopped watching Disney. Why would you teach your child about sex?
As a Disney fan, it hurts seeing a company I spent a majority of my childhood with has turned into this.
Agree!! Like not sure if I can even say I’m a Disney fan
Our parents would of said the same thing but they actually grew up.
They’re a multi-billion dollars corporation, they’ve made 87B$ just alone this year.
People act like it’s some indie animation studio doing it for the sake of passion and i don’t know as to how they’d come to that conclusion.
@@maximiliancoteaindie companies are after your money too... It's stupid to think you can't feel attached to Disney because they are big.
@@SandwichGlitch They don’t profit off of racist Mickey Mouse cartoons or war propaganda, it’s crazy to think that Disney is still up and running after all of that and that’s excluding misconduct at work, like SA and so on.
I feel like Disney is making the actual effort to shut down the things that could save them. Gravity Falls, The Owl House, any of the original star wars content that they had no control over, amongst others.
Gravity falls is perfect as it is. It doesn't need a new season.
There are still fantastically written films and shows with strong female characters that will appeal to both sexes. Unfortunately, Disney is only looking for crap stories, execrably written to wrap around female characters no one cares about.
But after watching The Marvels and suffering through the IBS caused by it, I watched 1883 and it restored my faith that there ARE good stories with fantastic writing for strong female characters that both sexes can relate to. I dare anyone to watch the first 4 minutes of Episode 1 of 1883 and not want to find out more about Elsa Dutton's story.
Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and Sam Elliot give outstanding performances with cameos by Tom Hanks and Billy Bob Thornton. But it is Isabel May as 17 year old Elsa that steals the show. She's not a Mary Sue and you watch her character arc and journey as she takes guidance and grows. She is at the heart of not just 1883, but also all the seasons of the shows 1923 and Yellowstone with Harrison Ford and Kevin Costner.
Gravity Falls ended since Alex wanted it to end with dignity
Gravity Falls ended when it had to. One day, there will be a sequel. But a different form. A different Time. And it's good so.
For now, we are finished.
@@fangirlmode8705That's true, but Owl House still got done dirty. The show is insanely popular, but disney decided to cancel it because it "doesn't fit their brand" or what ever the hell that means. What also gets me is that the show had a really well written gay relationship that didn't feel forced on to make a profit, and yet they canceled it. Alex Hirsch said it based, they don't care about representation, they just want money.
I could definitely see Woody being a jerk and it’s still working in the sense of “you Talk all this shit but you’re just a toy and you drop dead when big boss comes through you piece of work.”😂😂😂
2:49 - "the disney execs hated it as they felt it may send the wrong message to kids"
Compare that quote to what the company is today. Its tear jerking to think about.
"I'm the mascot of an evil corporation"
I just love this quote. It perfectly describes the current state of Disney
That line really has aged well for all the wrong reasons.
Disney has become way too comfortable with themselves. The reason they thrived in the first place was because they strived to outdo their competitors. Now they simply just “buy” their competition whenever they feel like it. Someone once said *”without criticism or pressure from others, there can be no improvement.”* And that really is true, Disney has become lazy and comfortable with themselves and everyone sees it. They may believe for now that they are invincible, but eventually they will find out they’re not and the cycle will start all over again. This is a season that will eventually pass and believe it or not I want Disney to succeed by making changes.
Going back to 2d animation? I was thinking of that, and everyone before me was
”without criticism or pressure from others, there can be no improvement.” this is *exactly* why capitalism is so nice for consumers. I'm not trying to make this political or push a stupid narrative out of place, but competition is what gives consumers such a wonderful consumer experience. It super sucks that the crony shit we face in the USA has perverted that idea so much so that now the consumers are typically the ones who bear the burden of business. In this case, it comes in the form of shitty entertainment. I mean what the fuck was 'Wish'? This is a great example of that.
For all their faults, and for how much I hate them, I do make a point of defending Disney. This video confirms that they are not "far-left," as so many people like to complain. They remain addicted to capitalist greed. You can call Disney "woke," you can call them anti-white or anti-man or anti-straight, you can call them phonies and hypocrites - but you can't call them socialist, and you can't use them as a rhetorical bludgeon to attack people who genuinely are progressive. And, ironically, "neoliberal" free-market capitalists - most of whom have been Republicans - are the ones responsible for our current corporate paradigm and the "wokeness" it propagates. So conservatives are actually lashing out at a monster created by themselves.
@@SeasideDetective2capitalism is not right or left. It is a way of business.
well said
When a company has a lust for money, creativity doesn't have a chance to surface
Great video! I love the editing!
I think the real shame of all of this, is that our media is really controlled by one company and when they fail to tell great stories everyone suffers. Marvel became the defacto movie theater experience for billions of people. Pixar and Disney's originals made movies that impacted young peoples entire lives, and as they fail to deliver anything of value, life just feels more empty, there's nothing to look forward too, we're all a bit more cynical and disengaged. Its a pandemic nightmare that we can't get away from.
You couldn't have put it better. Shows, movies, games, etc. this last decade have gotten worse and worse and the escapism and entertainment that used to add value to life and drove Americans to head to the theaters every weekend is gone making the world feel colder and ultimately depressing.
I think this is why anime is so popular nowadays too
@@kawaiikoibito3268 Yeah, because it's the only thing left willing to show traditionally male badass protagonists that aren't just a complete joke and are actually competent. Yes there's badass females, and we love them, but men don't pay to watch everything be about some gay def black crippled girl with a heart of gold.
The real shame is we don't have american studios anymore it is all creating a global product so all the stories are washed down and CGI turned up to 11. We will see how universal/comcast shift with the success of Oppenheimer.
@@kawaiikoibito3268 Yeah, because, as often, the Japanese show how to do it right: Japanese anime still is full of love and creativity and still regularly produces great, innovative stuff. Disney's animation on the other hand has become tired, uncreative and lackluster in the past 10-15 years. Yes, occasionally, they showed a sign of life, like with Frozen, but that's far from enough.
The last Disney movie I cared for was Coco. Yes I’m Hispanic, and the movie was amazing and heartwarming. I’ll never not tear up hearing Miguel and his grandmother singing together in the end of the movie. It will always remind me of my grandma.
same bro 😔
Coco was the first Pixar movie I didn’t like, then Luca and Turning Red.
@@cartooncentral263 Luca was another good one my kids liked. Guess since the pandemic had us move and them home schooled they watched it a lot and it grew on them. I didn’t like turning red at all.
I'm not Hispanic, but the moment he said "This is my great-grandmother," I knew I was going to cry, and exactly who would be the catalyst. I'm really lucky to have known my great-grandma, and I think that film helped me realize that.
Also, learned more about Dia de los Muertos, and that's always nice.
@@FlyingFocs that’s heartwarming. Grandmas and great grandparents are amazing. I always watch it in October and randomly also. I know The Book of Life was a bit more of Día De Los Muertos related but both are great movies.
A very complete recount of Disney's debacle. Good job, man!
I will fully acknowledge that Disney has had a heap of stinkers and duds, but I actually really liked Elemental. It was colorful and fun, it was heart-warming, and it wasn't heavy on any kind of obnoxious or out of touch political inserts.
Just for reference, what would constitute political neutrality?
@@dominicfucinari1942 Being politically neutral would constitute political neutrality. There's really nothing political about Elemental, hence, I consider it politically neutral, or apolitical.
@@evanblake5252 At least you're not like fundamentalists. They'd give straight supremacist speeches and messages, within works like feature films, a free pass.
@@dominicfucinari1942 I'm just a guy who likes my movies to either not be political, or handle politics with competence and sanity. I'm not down with fundamentalists of any stripes.
Disney struggled in the 70s. I think if Disney wants to stay relevant well into the 21st century they need to find someone who cares enough about the company to save it.
They need a new Michael Eisner and Frank Wells, but I don’t think lightning can strike twice and this time there will be no one to come to save them
honestly.... I think this is one of these situations where the company is just "too big to fail". They will tank (take the damage) the losses left and right for.... maybe even years and years, because they have so many branches the losses on one side can be mitigated by the other. Now, this can only go for so long, its like a rock being hit by waves on a daily basis. Erosion will eventually damage and, give it enough time, destroy the rock. This will be the same of Disney provided everything remains the same... however, it will take decades and the will of people (both clients and potential workers and business partners) to ignore Disney and not work for or with them. One thing is for certain, the Disney of our childhoods no longer exists. In fact, I am pretty sure most people who worked on projects such as Highschool Musical, are no longer working in Disney anymore. Its kinda like a Blizzard situation, the Blizzard from 2023 is no longer the one that made Starcraft 2 nor Warcraft III, that one is long dead and has been replaced by an abomination.
Yes, that is the ONLY Solution Now.
@@MikuHatsune-op3xl I mean, Amphibia and Owl House were both pretty good and still fairly recent. If I were a kid in the 2020s I would definitely have considered them 'part of my childhood'. But it's telling that Disney' executives barely even knew that they were making the Owl House. Like, people working in the same building didn't realize there was an animation and storyboarding team making an entire show . . . Which is the problem. You have people in charge of the company who don't even really know what the company does.
Great video - just wanted to point out though that Disney did not produce and had no affiliation with Deadpool, Deadpool 2, Venom, New Mutants, Kingsmen, or Morbius. Those movies were made by Fox, and while Disney now owns Fox, these movies were produced before the acquisition took place.
Venom and Morbius were Sony btw
Actually, Venom and Morbius were done by Sony.
Venom and Morbius are Sony Pictures movies, cause Spider-Man characters
Do you think he got it the third time, or should I also mention it?
@@imbaby5499 lmaooo
Sir, recently i felt an urge to watch one of these videos about deranged celebrities/companies and I went through a dozen of channels that make such videos and I gotta tell you, these titles and thumbnails are outstanding amongst most of them, imho
Disney's "classics" (the 2D era) aren't even originals... They are family friendly retellings of stories _🙃_
I almost feel like crying whenever I recall the times when Disney was producing golden entertainment products. My heart aches when I look at what this company has become
Waaaaah
*Sob*, *Sob* “Dissssneeey, why aren’t you making the same films you made when I was 7 now that I’m 37? Weeeeaaaah”
You can thank Bob Igor and his pet Big Hammy for all of this. The pompous smug arrogance is intolerable.
@@CharlieSpencers It is a loss - and monetary to boot too. Because those 37 year olds probably also have kids, but in order to share that wonder of childhood they had when watching these movies they have to get the Bluerays. And if Disney keeps things up, there will be no Disney for those that are now kids.
There is a reason why Star Wars fans love the old movies and why Star Trek fans love the old shows. Even Enterprise. There is also a reason why there's a sudden love for the 90s and the 80s by a generation that was never there and because that era and the feel of it is gone, they see it from their filters, where a lot of things from today would have seem ridiculous back then. Not more advanced or inspiring. Just plain laughable and sad.
i mean they still make good movies (Moana, Encanto, Frozen 2, Hamilton, Mary Poppins Returns)
Disney has turned into a business, they aren’t a film production company anymore. They make advertisements (films) to sell merchandise and their brand. And people have figured it out
Not to mention, their exploiting workers in the process
It was always a business. Ask anyone involved about how ruthless they were every decade for the last 50 years. There's lots to complain about lately but the Mouse House was always a nightmare to deal with as they were super corporate and super legal. They were always ready to kill partners if they put a toe out of line.
How can it not be a business?
It's company policy. It was always a business.
Pretty much the alphabet mafia is destroying our companies and movies. Got it
Grow up, this is the companies fault, don't push your discrimination into this.
Thanks for giving me a glimpse of the big picture
I really miss seeing their 2D animated films. I know it takes more effort and time to make, but they were amazing. I could rewatch all of them. As for the 3D animations, I would only go for the really good ones that released a decade or two ago or so.
Me too. They could at least mix 3D with a 2D art style, like what they did with their Paperman short. Also, many anime today mix 3D and 2D art styles.
@ArtNGame215 it doesn't matter if it's 3d or 2d right
@@Dj.D25 I did notice that with newer anime, but they only seem to put in the 3D visuals when it comes to showing things on a large scale, like a wide view of a city with people walking, or a large scale military marching to battle, which makes it look pretty amazing and seamless, probably because they can include more detail with the computer than having to hand draw it all. The only thing about it is the frame rate switch can be noticeable 😂
2D animation actually takes less effort.
It's why shows like Arcane and Monsters at Work have such big budgets compared with Rick and Morty, Bojack Horseman, and Peppa Pig.
There are exceptions, e.g. Green Eggs and Ham was more expensive than Studio 100 shows, and Klaus was more expensive than My Little Pony: A New Generation, but in general, 3D takes more effort and costs more.
Also, a good portion of modern 3D films include 2D segments, including Boss Baby, Coco, Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish, and Spiderman: Into and Across the Spiderverse.
2d does not take more time and money. It just requires training.
3d animation is actually way more expensive and time intensive, but it’s really easy to mass produce once you have the equipment and man power. Which is why American companies like using it.
Look up Disney pencils tests for modern movies. They have people straight up do the scene in 2d first before doing it in 3d. If 3d was faster, why would they do pencil tests.
There’s a reason why a lot of student films are in 2d. Because it’s faster and less expensive and doesn’t usually require a lot of processing power. You just gotta know how to draw. And that’s why companies like to avoid it. They’d rather pay for expensive software and computer specs, then to cater to employees drawing abilities and styles. Once you have a 3d rig designed, you can hand it off to the next person to edit the puppet movement and so on. You don’t need everyone on the same page to mimic eachother’s style like in 2d. It homonogizes the process.
This is from an animator who’s done both, but I do primarily prefer 2d more because of the accessibility.
Whoopsie! I’m sure someone else has mentioned it by now but Deadpool and venom or not Disney Marvel productions. Those were made by Sony and Fox, trying to get in on the action.
Wrong
@@shantall.Disney acquired Fox in 2019(but announced they were going to acquire them in 2017). Deadpool was released in 2016, so it came out before Disney fully owned the rights.
Venom is part of “Sony’s Spider-Man Universe”. Sony owns majority of the rights to Spider-man and his main enemies. They worked out a deal to let him be a part of the MCU movies. I also believe Sony still owns the rights to X-Men, but not sure.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_21st_Century_Fox_by_Disney
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony%27s_Spider-Man_Universe
Disney owns 21 century Fox. Hence why X-men made its appearance in the newer marvel movies and they can say “mutant”. Sony still owns rights to Miles Morales however. But for how long? Idk….
“Whoopsie!” Lmao imagine correcting someone while being incorrect yourself
@@shantall. You're right
Great video, and your last sentence says it all, how its even possible with their endless resources. All the eggs are in the wrong basket.
Is your HRC score really worth losing BILLIONS of dollars? Really???
It’s honestly amazing just how mass shareholders like BlackRock & Vanguard are able to completely dismiss the wants, needs and desires of both the large and average Disney stockholders as well as their audience/fans (now denominated as simply consumers). And even after several years of MASSIVE financial failures Disney continues down the same unprofitable path paved by their stakeholders focused on DEI/ESG narratives. A choice that has cost them not just financially, but culturally. Honestly I don’t think Disney realizes just how tarnished their brand has truly become.
Like seriously, how do they basically put a stop to novelty and actual creativity in-house wholesale only to just regurgitate their live-action, soulless versions of their classics as well as dropping billions purchasing other creator’s IPs only to not just be horrible stewards of said IPs, but actually and utterly destroy both the financial and cultural value of those highly valued IPs but their legacy as well?
It’s honestly shocking just how poorly Disney has performed in the last 8-10 years. I just wish that they’d get back to making classic, beautifully animated adaptations of worldwide fairy tales and myths. There’s plenty of unexplored stories for which they could adapt to animation or live-action. But it seems like they’ve got no interest in creating novel projects that would truly bring the cultural representation they constantly preach about. Seems like their corporate mindset is simply set on poorly made remakes of those who came before them. And it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be any change coming anytime soon.
it's called brainwashing bro, BlackRock and Vanguard hold the most power over what major companies do, they are constantly brainwashing people by turning them into sexual deviants and confusing them about their gender so they can control people easily (if people are confused about their gender, there are no traditional gender roles, then they can force new roles for people to play into that is, enslaving people). I am a homosexual myself, I have no problem with other sexual orientations or gender identities as long as they don't force their views and lifestyle down others' throats. the nude parades, screaming "we're here we're queer we're coming for your children" and the over representation of lgbcdefu+++ is exhausting even for me, we're hardly 5% of the world's population and they're trying to portay it like every 2nd person is homo, bi, trans or smth. this is just dumb and exhausting.
I don’t hate Disney because of “wokeness”
I hate Disney because it buys up smaller studios, uses it’s intellectual property as cash grabs and it’s mishandling and sheer neglecting of the foreign media it owns.
How many Disney movies made the top ten in the last decade?
Perfectly said
What the fans want? Even they don't know what they want
The thing that grinds my gears is that she actually believes Snow White is an original piece by Disney produced in 1937. But its a german folktale from the 18th century based (presumably) on characters from the 1500. So trying to "modernise" it and change its original meaning and story SO MUCH gets me fucking going.
In fairness, the 1937 version was also modernized for the time. In most versions of the folklore, the evil queen was Snow White's biological mother who tries to kill her multiple times, the dwarves are nameless and have various occupations (including banditry in some versions), the prince does not meet Snow White before she gets poisoned, and he wakes her up by dropping her while carrying her body back to his castle (for uh, reasons 😬). Also the prince kills the queen by forcing her to dance with red hot irons on her feet, which is a consistent element in basically every version before Disney's.
@@scottburley4115 Sounds a lot more interesting.
@@scottburley4115 The line for me, is when you try to make a completely different story with values totally opposed to the original. Altering elements of the story are fine, to make the story less brutal for example, it's not the same thing as changing the entire motivations of the main character and removing the prince, or even the dwarves (which isn't even a "problematic" element since they were always just the magical dwarves from the Germanic folklore, they have more in common with Gimli from LOTR than with disabled people). At that point, why not just make another story ? Since that one is obviously hated by the current Disney.
Funny how the people who are most likely to "get going" over Disney changing the skin color of their characters are the most likely to believe Jesus was a white dude who spoke English. I don't know if that group includes you personally, but there's definitely a large overlap in those two demographics.
99% of people who are mad about these changes would have barely noticed them if conservative media outlets weren't scrunching their panties into balls about it. People spend way to much of their energy freaking out about shit that really doesn't matter. The 1937 version didn't get Thanos snapped out of existence. You can just go watch that one again if it bothers you so terribly much.
Same thing with the little mermaid, the folktale is Irish, so.... Shouldn't the character be?
Mulan And Freaky Friday! Two of my favorite! I’m a new subscriber and I love your channel!
I don't care if you have the main characters be straight, gay, black, alien, whatever. I hate when a film's quality is sacrificed for the sake of "diversity" (cough pandering cough)... im.saying this as a black guy.
There's the short animation called "In a Heartbeat" which I totally love, it absolutely encapsulates the simplicity of good visual storytelling and story fluency, WITHOUT pandering for the sake of "inclusion", even while the two main characters (a young boy and his male crush) are LGBT. It's universal, well-written and well-crafted. It is, in my mind, the perfect example of inclusion without feeling like there's a "popularity" or financial agenda.
I wish studio's cared more about good art than about making the most money they can by targeting certain groups.
Shut up
Disney's forays into diversity aren't a new phenomenon. They sent teams out to do research for The Lion King, Lilo and Stitch and Mulan, to capture and accurately portray the aspects of cultures they used for their films. These teams weren't sent out to understand the full context of everything they were taking inspiration from. Once Disney realized they could use the cultural aspects of their films as a selling point (Hey guys! We have a Pacific Islander princess! We have a Southeast Asian princess!) they leaned into it - but still have not invested in having a team of people to understand the contexts of what they're borrowing from other cultures. It's like they've been putting artificial vanilla in ice cream for decades and now that people are interested in all-natural vanilla ice cream, they're wondering why they can't sell their vanilla ice cream.
No, if The Lion King had been released today for the first time it would have been loved just as well. Same for Mulan or Moana.
You don’t need to represent other cultures perfectly, just don’t do it forcibly and don’t turn it into a parody of itself by representing only positive (or negative) aspects.
That is a deliciously accurate interpretation.
No seriously I live in southeast asia and while they got the aesthetics of southeast asia right but they didn't get the values or the ACTUAL CULTURE in the Raya film. The fact that they rather cast east asian voice actor over south east asian voice actors adds insult to injury. My family emotionally connected to Encanto even more than Raya even if we're technically not being "represented".
@@dr.quinnzel7284 This is the exact sentiment I mean. Disney knocked it out of the park with the original Mulan, and did a solid job with Lilo and Stitch; obviously they're CAPABLE of developing a story in a cultural background and portraying it accurately. But historically, their depictions of other cultures werent subject to much scrutiny because they themselves weren't emphsizing the cultural background of their movies. The Lion King takes place in Africa, obviously, but depictions of African cultre are absent because they're not important to the story. No one really can really call TLK's depiction of African culture inaccurate because it's not really depicting African culture. These days, however, Disney leans into cultural heritage as a selling point because they know there's a demand for ethnic diversity in media - but they fail to realize that demand isn't satisfied by simply dumping their stories into diverse background settings. By showcasing "diversity" as a promotional point, they've opened themselves up to scrutiny in an area they've never really had it before, and it's an area they've never really been strong in, either. In other words, Disney's trying really hard to sell modern audiences a 30-year old model of diversity that was already half-broken when it came out 30 years ago. The old Disney diversity model is the reason audiences spent more time trying to parse out what the hell "dep la" means than giving a shit about Raya.
"forays"
This is a huge deep dive. All I know is I'm 42 years old and refuse to give Disney a cent. They charge way too much and in no way resemble the art they created just 20 years ago. When BlackRock ditches ESG scores, you know your business is failing Disney.
I’ve been boycotting since I was 16 🤟
BlackRock didn't ditch it, it just renamed because too many people became aware of it, the ideology is still there.
I was spending 10 000$ per year on Disney for 12 years. Looks like they don't want my money anymore. 🤷♀
@@Gengh13 That is the point. Notice despite the ups and downs, thing really got bad when social justice issues became more important than making money. Disney is only because the people in charge are trying to change society. I think Disney was targeted because it represented America.
Black rock never ditched the ESG thing. The ceo had an interview saying he wants to “force behavior” and “force changes” among companies that don’t have diverse enough boards or workplaces. Your position as someone that works should be based on merit, never your identity on the outside. The fact that he can come out and say something like that without backlash is horrifying
I won't be a hypocrite saying that i have hope for Disney to improve and present better entertainment in the future.
At this point, i really want Disney to fail miserably and be forced to sell all the intelectual properties to more capable hands.
Judge me all you want but that's how i feel.