Why Secret Invasion is a Failure
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- A video essay diving into all of the flaws of Secret Invasion. Like how the writers failed to deliver on the premise, how abysmal the pacing was, and how boring and uninspired the conflict was. Secret Invasion is a recent MCU show starring Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury where he has to overcome a Skrull takeover.
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Chapters:
Failure of the premise (0:00)
Dumb and uninspired conflict (4:47)
Poor handling of Nick Fury (10:47)
Supporting cast getting yeeted (14:29)
Additional bad aspects (16:36) - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Imagine having every espionage and alien invasion writer dream of having shapeshifting enemies who can retain recent memories of their victims, $200 million, an interconnected series with dozens of already known and liked characters, source material, and Samuel L. Jackson, and still not satisfying either espionage or alien invasion viewers or just any viewer in general.
The amount of failure is staggering.
This happens when you entrust this project to a writer who only wrote one movie 10 years ago that flopped...
Yea we no longer need to imagine.
I'm starting to believe that all these failures are intentional. Disney and Marvel can't be that stupid to continue producing garbage after garbage
@@user-xx6vy9ri8pand not to mention the fact that the writer was forbidden to read the actual comicbook of the event.
Thanks, Disney. I really loved learning that the only reason Nick Fury became Director of SHIELD was by taking the work of displaced refugees and passing it off as his own.
Nick Fury has been reduced to nothing but a buffoon who made friends with some shape shifting aliens who effectively operated as their puppet and was utterly clueless without their help, and lost his eye because he was petting a cat. Why. Why Disney? And this is one of the rare instances where they didn't even do it for real world political reasons. Disney is just so incompetent that they've taken an Avengers level character and made him a nobody.
You do know that Nick fury was probably lying right. He's a spy. That's what they do.
To be fair, how else did you think Fury had vast amounts of information at any given time? He can’t be everywhere at once, it should’ve been common knowledge he had a large network of folks feeding him information somehow..
@@DaMeng3000By being good at his job? That's how real spy agencies do it, and they dont have access to shapeshifters(afaik). He did work for the most powerful organisation on the planet with unlimited budget and gadgets to make Q cream his pants.
I guess none of those Skrulls mimiced a Hydra agent by accident. That would have been super awkward 🤣
'She-Hulk: Attorney at Law' was written by people who didn't know how to write courtroom dramas.
'Secret Invasion' was written by people who didn't know how to write spy dramas.
Didn't know how to write. Period. If these people really had passion, they would've learned. They would at least succeed in one thing.
You'd think with all the money Disney provides them, they could afford to pay consultants for that sort of thing.
@@Theokal3 The way I didn't like She-Hulk but I ended up liking it more than Secret Invasion because at least that show made me laugh and enjoy some moments a couple of times and Secret Invasion just disappointed me all throughout.
@@movsssAt least SheHulk didn't shit on established characters. Wong and DD were still great.
@@LizardSpork RIGHT?! like is Kevin Feige having some quality control issues rn?
Secret Invasion Pitch Meeting:
"Why did Carol Danvers make no progress in two decades to find a planet for the very people who saved her from her captors?"
"So this TV show can happen."
"Wouldn't it be more compelling if she did find a planet and the radical Skrulls wished to stay on Earth to maintain their powerful positions in human society rather than restart on a new planet, leaving Fury to contemplate how giving these victims the exact skills and abilities to undermine his authority and all authority in the world, which they're now turning back on him so that they'd never feel powerless again because even a human exploited them for his own war, all for his own selfish ends, might be his fault?"
"I'm going to need you to get ALL the way off my back about this!"
Fucking up an MCU show is super easy, barely an inconvenience!
That second last paragraph 👏.
What could have been in the hands of competent writers 🤦♂️
W pitch meeting reference
Wow wow wow wow wow
Captain feminist is a fool person who care about himself not others, a typic anti likeable person to see, such pathetic
What's crazy to me is that Skrulls in this show almost always impersonate the same person. I get that they have their memories, but it also makes it so you always know who is who, which is the exact worst thing you could have in a paranoia thriller about shapeshifting aliens
Disney didn't want to have to pay other actors.
Maybe they didn't want to pay other actors lol but i think the point wasn't to keep us guessing on who were Skrulls or not because in 2023 lbh it's pretty hard to fool us with a trick we've seen 1000 times i think the point was that other than Fury most humans didn't even know they existed a lot of this guy's complaining was hindsight & points i don't think he caught because Hill was already played by a skrull before so it wouldn't have been a big shock or how they should've captured the president at a dinner or some dumb shit when the point was to make the Americans think it was the Russians all i know is his ideas would've made the show worse lol it had good writing it just failed to deliver in so many aspects that matter especially when they removed the super hero element completely.
@@GODsoN_216 I AGREE
This could have been an interesting moment of tension too, if Talos or Gaia or someone had to shift into another person to escape or for an infiltration but then were tripped up by not having access to their memories and needed to try to improvise
Are you complaining about us as the audience knowing who characters are? Did the general populace know. no. Did Nick fury know who every single scroll was.. no.
Marvel: The best part of Among Us is the killings
Reality:The best part of Among Us is figuring out who the killers are AND also being wrong about it.
Actually, the best part of Among Us is silly hats.
This show would be good if Nick Fury had an egg on his head
Its so depressing that Secret Invasion, a show that had the potential to be the Andor of the MCU, was left to die by being infected with the 6-episode curse while Disney gave *She Hulk* the full package with 9 episodes.
Lol
Andor my beloved
She Hulk's characterization was actually true to the source material (although could have been better directed). But for Secret Invasion, they just took material and pissed on it.
@@MeowtronStarJen is not a selfish and obnoxious jerk in the comics.
@@MeowtronStar if it was true to the source material then the writers made a horrible decision. The show is still garbage.
The biggest problem with the Marvel TV shows is how they stick to a very formulaic structure that generally ends with a CGI battle in the final episode. This show had such potential, but the first couple of episodes were a bit slow, and then the last three episodes were rushed and didn't deliver a satisfying experience. It should have been written by Marcus and McFeely
The CGI was the final problem, for me nobody wanted this l, all wanted the real thor, hulk, the real captain Marvel not the feminist or whatever problem who make mans in idiots, gravik was victim of this, so trash
If they weren't giving us series like echo and Iron heart & put all that money & time into secret invasion make it 9-11 Episodes at an hour length they could've introduced characters, ideas, built up the storyline n tension until we reached the finale by doing the story justice don't take such an iconic story water it down and half ass it at least give us the best alternative story u can but it's Hollywood rope you in with quality then disappoint you with quantity.
This is what MCU has always been with some movies as an exception. Endgame and infinity war had the same problem, plot was weak, still don't get how sacrificing tony would lead to their victory when captain marvel was a better candidate to withstand the gauntlet's power. But hey here's an awesome battle sequence to make you forget about all the illogical things the story went for.
@@viniciuscardoso8056 jesus christ youre retarded. This series has clear writing problems, its wild you find a way to bitch about feminism when the problems here have nothing to do with any discourse of gender.
They made a spy thriller show with no tensions and no stakes. Simple as that. Dont be a fucking nitwit.
@@emmafrost16 because thats not what Doctor strange saw in his vision of the future. Captain Marvel failed to defeat thanos and tony had to act quick as soon as he got the gauntlet. Do you even think before bashing something??? If you payed attention you would realize why it couldn't happen the way you thought it should.
Look at the cast. Look at the budget. Look at the IP. There is no excuse for failing this badly.
The fact that Marvel wasted incredible Oscar winning actors like Olivia Colman and Christian Bale is such tragic, they really don't deserve big talent like both of them with a half baked character :(
I can't believe they spent all that money on 6 trash episodes
R.I.P MCU 2008-2019
Pretty much. Ain't been the same since Endgame. If they wanted post-Endgame to be as good they should've had a better plan beforehand.
Honestly
If they wanted a post-Endgame they shouldn't have made Endgame and Infinity War imo. It killed the franchise for me. @@rahbeeuh
Rip Stan Lee
Agreed. The only exception to this was No Way Home. That movie coasted on nostalgia, but I can't say the same for the MCU movies and TV shows post-2021.
All this years Agents of SHIELD recieved so much hate but now they are proving to be one of the best marvel tv series. They may not have the budget of Secret Invasion, but they have something that is more important... and that is GOOD WRITING.
FACTS
Don’t forget daredevil and the rest of the Netflix shows
@@breslinhoward6992 but DD and company were always praised (well... except for iron fist)
True! The LMD episodes from Season 4 were everything Secret Invasion should have been.
AOS was pretty solid except for a few bits and the last season.
SI was... so tedious to watch. The cast was decent too so it's realy just the writing being absolutely terrible. Same thing that ruined so many shows or movies.
The fact that they killed Maria so quickly is fine but it's how *easy* she dies. The idea of her being tricked by a skrull pretending to be Fury is so dumb, previously Nick or Maria would have instantly realized it wasn't either of them... Like surely because they know exactly what their enemy can do they have a secret code word or gesture etc to inform the other it's actually them?
Imagine instead, Gravik turned into a child; Maria still realises it's a skrull but hesitates and dies for it.
I hate reading posts like yours because they’re so much better than what we got. Add a little weight to her death.
The potential for the show was crapped on.
@@bcm3938 honestly, i think the show lacked supporting characters that could be skrulls. I know Kevin doesn't like them but the Agents of Shield characters were just right there! and Maria Hill knows them. Daisy and Yoyo even have Kree blood so makes sense to put them against Skrulls.
To play devil's advocate, it did happen pretty quickly, and I think the Fury disguise was more just to throw her off guard rather than out right trick her, but yah it was definitely a dumb way for her to go out
Also, Fury and Hill have been hanging out with The Skrulls for a long time since they actually weren't there on Far From Home
That isn't a better idea. Gravik didn't turn into fury to trick Hill. He turned into Fury to frame Fury. Also it's not "unbelievable" that she didn't instantly know it's a skrull. If she did that would immediately defang them of all their power.
And the Secert Invasion should of been a whole phase.
More build up over shows and movies that the skrulls are working up a full invasion would of been cool.
Plus the skrull leader became an Avengers level villain. He was wasted at the end.
The build up was all good to then just finish it out in an 30min finale.
We all know that the goal was for him to be beaten by his female counterpart the entire time.
@@LordThomasPassion HAAHAAHHAHAAHA
@@LordThomasPassionWOKEEEE RRRRRRED
SHOULD HAVE*
Marvel is going to suffer the same fate as GoT: an international, nearly cultural icon, reduced to something that no one even talks about or ever will again because of how awful it ended up.
They don’t seem to realize you can actually harm the legacy
Star Wars is fast going in the same direction. Mando is good, but maybe not enough to save it. Andor is great, but probably doesn't have mainstream appeal.
@@AStageForTheKingdomwith Star Wars and Marvel I simply don’t give af. Oversaturation with incredibly predictable storylines, cringey characters and dialogue, terrible cgi considering the studios and budget and nothing that really effects the world. Just so very boring
And I feel like the same monkey faced dildoes were involved in both shows.
Someone else said this a comment a couple of days ago and I agree. Peace maker did a better job of explain an invasion story than this did
CA: Winter Soldier did a better secret invasion than Secret Invasion.
Which is ironic because Gunn used to work for Marvel.
This show retcons a lot about Nick Fury, but I think the one thing that gets to me is that Fury apparently was raised by a single mother, when he mentioned having a father in Winter Soldier.
But I guess that's just another stereotype Disney wants to get out of the way: a shitty husband born from a broken family, who takes advantage of an alien race desperate for a home, and takes advantage of his employees.
The destruction of Nicholas J. Fury in this show was fucking *_surgical,_* and it was all done to put Crazy Poppins in his role of Super Spy.
U sure Fury wasn't talking about his grandpa?
He’s black. He can’t have a father, this is Hollywood!
You... you can have a father while also being raised by a single mother, you know?
@@GrandisArcanumThere is a difference between a single mother and being the only parent in a child's life. Like you are the Single mother in a relationship lmao doesn't matter if you are married, we all have one mom
@@darthrex6267 Either this is a troll comment, or you are truly so ignorant that you know what the term "single mother" refers to, and I cannot tell which.
Funny enough when I started to watch the first episode, I was still fixing myself a drink and not paying attention fully for the first few minutes. As such, I missed the shot of Ross preparing the gun, and then was genuinely taken in by the tension of the scene. Pity that only happened because my attention was divided, and an even greater pity that the show then failed to live up to the remainder of the premise
They’re secret agents. They carry guns. It’s not some brilliant insight like the youtuber is selling it… lol… I mean, the show has plenty of issues but seeing an agent going in to an unknown situation with a gun would be normal.
@@alexmartin3143 Indeed. I think the video creator is being a little too harsh on that first scene. Plus, from what we've seen of Ross, we know it would go sideways even if he *did* prepare.
Besides, I don't think the opening scene was meant to be that shocking as to the identity of the Skrull, but to establish how deeply they invaded. The first episode is very solid, even good. The problem happens after that.
@@alexmartin3143
Yes, it makes sense within the universe. However, film is communication. The shot of the gun is quite literally Chekhov's gun- only it's about his identity, not the actual gun going off.
Doctor who has a two-parter story about shape shifting aliens which is far more intense and emotional than the entirety of Secret Invasion.
Stargate have multiple episodes like that with shapeshifters, "body snatchers" and brainwashing.
The thing i hate most is fury supposedly had this army of skrull shape changing spys and yet not a single one found out about hydra taking over shield ? Was hydra aware of the skrulls,did fury somehow not have any skrulls inside shield? I honestly cant comprehend how that works
First of all, 6 episodes was WAY too short for this kind of story. I don't know why Disney has this obsession with making every single MCU show 6 episodes long, but this storyline should have honestly been close to 15-20 episodes if they wanted to do it right. But it's clear from the paltry scripts and everything else that they had zero intention of doing it right. Or maybe they did, but Disney just micromanaged their ideas into oblivion and wrenched away all the passion and creativity from it. Either way, Disney has proven themselves to be a broken company, and I hope they get a massive, MASSIVE rude awakening for their greed and artistic apathy soon.
Seeing Emilia Clarke in the mcu made me excited, but making her into a super powerful character honestly made me lose all interest in seeing her again. She’s never going to be in any actual danger, especially considering she already had healing powers so her “death” meant nothing
This show was garbage. What a stupid finale. More proof that the MCU is now the MSheU. All these stupid "girlboss" moments with little to no explanation or consequences need to stop. Phase 4 continues to prove why the MCU is dying a very slow death. Giving Gia all those abilities and within seconds she learns to master them all like nothing?!? Feige is delusional. if he thinks this will work out in the end. U cant make a garbage move like this that has HUGE repercussions and effects for the future, then just say "dont worry, it will be totally worth it in the end" or some bullsh*t like that. Thats not how things work. Giving us shitty buildup and setup and stupid decisions like this then expect us to stick around? Feige is a f*cking fool.
Ive f*cking had it with all this woke garbage! Anyone who thinks there isnt some sort of agenda pushing at work here are just as big a fool as Feige is for thinking this was a good idea!!! 🙄
Ikr. They really needed to show some sort of side affect(s) of having the power of all the Avengers and then some, but the writers for some reason opted to not do this.
Other mary sue, captain feminist turned in a trash, the marvels already is, the name was captain 2 but the actress i hate in my opinion dont are likeable how a woman or a heroine, she is annoying and obviously dont listen mans, she hate
They could always have Rogue steal her powers when she gets introduced ( I don’t think they’ll let it happen to Carol).
Have G’iah investigating a suspected skrull operation, reveal the shapeshifter to actually be Mystique who then gets Rogue to absorb G’iah’s Captain Marvel powers.
Otherwise, I never want to see her again 🥱
@@ragingshibe sounds like you guys are new to marvel allot of op charcters in marvel are op there is no side effects its always been that way
Imagine if the rhodey skrull killed Maria Hill and made us think Rhodey did it, setting up him pretending to think Maria Hill was a “skrull” and ends on a cliffhanger. Next episode we find out Rhodey was a skrull and staged it
Add on, it's a Skrull as Maria Hill that is sacrificed to increase the trust in Rhodey making his reveal as a bad guy possibly more shocking. Maybe even tease with him saying, "It's impossible to know who you can trust anymore."
It's weird of I've heard basically nobody talk about this show even though it seemed to be hyped up as one of the biggest parts of MCU.
Honestly since the project was announced, I was just confused as to why it even existed, especially due to the Skrulls in Captain Marvel do not have the same personalities or motivations as the comic counterparts.
But then again this is the same industry that thought that Flashpoint arc was good to adapt for the first solo-outing for the Flash
@@AngryHomunculus Everyone in the last few years talked about Secret Wars as if it was going to be as big as an Avengers movie only for it to come out and get zero attention.
@TheHetzer-xy9lb well, this is leading into Secret Wars, but that is probably going to get even more scrutiny than this show did.
The animation series was 1000%more important than this trash
@@grandarkfang_1482 Wait they are different? The marketing was so bad I thought this was Secret Wars with a name change.
You have to love how Disney begged audiences to stop treating every entry of the MCU as "might-see" content when they didn't bother spacing out their releases and as such; they had
episodes of Ms Marvel airing the same weeks as Thor 4's premiere
episodes of Loki airing the same weeks as Black Widow's premiere
episodes of Hawkeye airing the same weeks as No Way Home's premiere.
@@Justin_Leahy The only time a simultaneously Marvel show and Movie came out and were in synergy was when Winter Soldier came out and Agents of SHIELD had their own Hydra arc.
@@Justin_Leahy not only that, Spiderman passes the EXACT location of the final battle of Hawkeye, probably passing it only a few hours before the battle occured
@@movsssAOS also had the tie in to Age of Ultron, Where they revealed how the Scepter got to Hydra, and the Helicarrier
@@jesusramirezromo2037 yeah I was about to add that too but I was a little confused about which Helicarrier they showed since I haven’t watched the show in a long time
It honestly just hurts seeing how Secret Invasion treated Nick Fury; like, it's really hard to put into words how upsetting it is to see his character in this state. At this point, who in the MCU roster is left that Disney & Marvel Studios _haven't_ f*cked over? There's Spider Man, and the Guardians I guess... but who else thereafter?
You kidding, Starlord was their first mark from Marvel ever since the second movie.
@@pepperonipizza8200 nah
Loki Season 1, Moon Knight & Spider-Man are probably the only good content pieces since Avengers Endgame.
@@brandonrockins9572 gotg 3, Hawkeye
@@brandonrockins9572GOTG 3 too
Another big problem is that it was actually really easy to identify who was a Skrull but people rarely even bothered to try.
To me the biggest problem was the *kind* of spy show they decided to make it. Instead of having it be about spy skrulls who infiltrate Earth, they made it about *human* spies trying to stop the skrull plans.
If we'd had to figure out who the skrulls were, it would've been a very different show, but other than Rhoadie, all of the skrulls are pretty much instantly revealed. As you said, even the first skrull reveal wasn't really a surprise.
And trying to get the US and the Russians to fight each other by lying to the president is a dumb plan. If you can get that close to the president, just *become* the president, and do it yourself. Once the missiles are launched, it's all automatic anyway. Russia isn't going to ask questions before retaliating.
I still think She-Hulk was a worse show, but that's a very low bar.
Where have all the good writers gone?
on a strike lol
HONESTLY! Really makes you think. Either there are so many bad writers in Hollywood that are striking right now for a pay rise they simply don't deserve because they're lazy and unimaginative, or there actually are good talented writers that aren't paid enough to care about their work and their creative decisions and squashed by greedy corporate executives. I don't understand how they don't realise they're destroying their own franchise and their legacy!
@@bishbosh4815 Because a writer did a bad job sometimes they dont deserve good pay? lol
@@lucidiesyt7348 I'm not really suggesting that, but so many shows nowadays have such low effort writing, it must be tied to pay in some way
@@bishbosh4815it’s got more to do with the fact that writers rooms are a largely a thing of the past, they don’t even have a writer on set most of the time now. Studios refuse to hire enough writers and with no writers on set, there is no way to gain skills as a showrunner. They’re also rushed, with no time for rewrites or refining of ideas, with producers forcing changes in the name of ‘marketabilty’.
It’s the same reason actors don’t have chemistry anymore; no more chemistry reads, they’re auditioning on Zoom.
Studios are taking shortcuts. Everything is being segregated, there’s a lack of collaboration or communication. All to save money but ultimately harming the final product.
American Hollywood can never get over the “we had a Cold War, let’s have another!” mentality. Literally any plot scenario is better than “America good, other country bad, war!” plot.
i mean look what russia is doing right now lmao, they are not helping get rid of the stereotype...
Cope Z-tard Ruski 😂
@@captainalex157Okay but America is definitely no better. I can promise you they've done worse
@@captainalex157middle eatserners think different of america lol
@@LuffyBlack lol really? just compare the russians/soviets and the americans in afghanistan, cowboys seem like angels in comparison.
Thanos planet is actually a great idea, and established in cannon, however looks like a lot of work to live there and no houses or industry so they probably wanted a planet that was empty and move in ready with houses and infrastructure
The real hero we hate now is loved
Knowhere would also have been a solution. Or literally any other planet established in the movies, since somehow every planet has an atmosphere of oxygen, so Guardians and the Avengers can breathe without helmets
Honestly it would probably be easier to start from scratch with some help from humans than to rebuild earths infrastructure to be supported by just one million skrulls. Once humanity is gone the entire supply system of the planet would collapse and it would take decades until the standard of living would even come close to what it was before.
Why not Titan? Pretty sure it's empty and has cities already built
@@jesusramirezromo2037 for sure, seems like an unlimited number of choices
I like how absolutely everyone on the internet understands the basics of how to write a mistery thriller except whoever wrote this. Specially since the premise of Secret Invasion makes it so damn easy to write something where you are confused and making theories between every episode.
Guardians 3 was the only Marvel thing I’ve enjoyed in years.
It was produced by Marvel, but James Gunn carried the project. I don't even consider Guardians a Marvel film at this point, it's an insult to those who are actually passionate about filmmaking.
NWH was amazing
@@Batflecksshang chi, loki, nwh, moon knight are like the only things that have been good since endgame lol
@@mymaynee5963 I I would add wandavision to that List and multiverse of madness was OK for me
Loki and wandavision both made the main characters terrible alongside ruining them. There was so many plot holes and inconsistencies that made the shows feel as teenagers wrote the scripts. I didn't watch moon knight as it looked boring and he isn't that good of hero to me. Shang chi was eh, wasn't groundbreaking nor did the plot interest me.
13:33 you KNOW they don’t understand how DNA or powers work when they keep making a big deal about Carol Danver’s DNA. I suspect they didn’t actually watch Captain Marvel (I don’t blame them) because the only thing her DNA would show is part human / part Kree. Her power comes from close contact with the Space stone, so it would be like copying Bruce Banner’s DNA and automatically expecting the Hulk.
I started to watch that show and had to stop immediately when i recognized it is more about the action rather than the smart intrigues which was what got me a little bit excited about it at first
It is more about the action rather than the smart intrigues
...and the action straight up *_sucks_* in it too
A big problem is that it never felt like the 'invasion' was happening. Rhodey should've died in Civil War, revealing that he was a Skrull to Fury covering up the fact that he was one and then go on from there
That would have been crazy. But Disney don’t got the balls for that kind of writing
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D season 4 actually had a plot line that was basically what secret invasion was supposed to be but instead with robots, and it's done pretty much flawlessly, there a lot of twists and turns and moments where you don't know who the "robot" is. It makes it more sad the potential that secret invasion could've had.
I’m so glad you mentioned Agents of SHIELD. I kept thinking of that storyline when watching this video. Agents of shield was such a good show that’s surprisingly underrated.
@@cookiestrong8757 bro it's WAY too underrated it was amazing from start to finish (despite season 1 being pretty rough for the most part)
Let’s not forget that Gravik’s whole motivation is that Fury Broke a promise to a ten year old boy. And Disney is trying to make it a GRAY AREA.
There’s nothing moral about causing the apocalypse because someone broke their promise, and I’m terrified I have to say that.
There are another two logical inconcistencies that I don't see mentioned:
1. Why did Thalos's wife impersonate Maria Hill in Spiderman Far From Home if she wasn't with Fury on the space station? Where was she during that time?
2. Skrulls kept impersonated humans in the same radioactive power plant where they hid. How are those people still alive when they were kept there for months, possibly years?
There is no thing as "Superhero fatigue" a bad movie is a bad movie, if Avengers 1 came out today people would love it.
Agreed. People eat these shows and movies up if we'd get 6 Infinity Wars per year. Instead we are getting multiple X-Men Origins: Wolverine a year. This has nothing to do with people not being interested in superheroes anymore. It's just that with their $200 Million budgets they apparently only spend about 5 bucks on the writers.
It's not about Superhero fatigue but it's about the writing and the visual. People like Across The Spider-Verse because it has good writings, likeable characters, and also good animations. It's even overthrown 2 animated movies that come out later which are Elemental and Ruby Gillman, hell even take over The Flash, the last straw of DCEU movie with a problematic actor as the main character.
Avengers 1 is really dated, that movie aged terribly imo
💯
@@geraltrivia9565Lmao it’s aged like fine wine over the course of 11 years compared to some of their more recent movies that are only a year old or so 😂
Skrulls have purple blood. Did everybody just forget that like cutting somebody's finger will tell you if they are a skrull or not.
Like even the crazy paranoid guy, if he's so afraid of skrulls why doesn't he check to see if Ross is a Skrull or not.
How did we go through years of a pandemic where everyone felt isolated and alone, and the number one game everyone got into was trying to figure out who among your friends was secretly a murderous alien, and we get served up an 'espionage' show with no actual spycraft? They had all kinds of real world examples, not to mention the comic source material and they failed to utilize any of it.
They made a spy thriller without spy’s or thrills
The dialogue and acting had some great moments along with some decent to good action. But the story lacked ambition and like you said the lack of scale makes no sense
Usually not a fan of these kind of videos but you 100% hit the nail on the head and this show deserves every bit of criticism it gets. As a Nick Fury/Spy-fi fan, this was a big letdown! You can tell they had reshoots, it felt like two different shows at some points.
That's The Problem, Reshoots, Revising The Script Completely, That's What Marvel Does On Everything, Thankfully That They Don't Control On Spider Man, Sony Wouldn't Let Them.
Olivia Coleman was THEE highlight of the series! She's such a phenomenal actress and the series was completely elevated every time she was on-screen.
I really liked her character, she has such a "I'm a polite British but I will still f you up" vibe~ Love to see more of her
The problem is that she was EXACTLY what Nick Fury should have been in this show. They went the same route as Last Jedi, making the male character a broken, pathetic failure, while replacing him with badass female character(s).
And yet the series somehow wasted her, her character was fine but rather forgettable. It's the same that Christian Bale was wasted in Love and Thunder, highlight of the movie yet didn't get enough potential
@@15Candles My biggest fear is that they are going to waste Ke Huy Quan in Loki Season 2. Marvel has the tendency to waste some brilliant performers on mediocre scripts -- with Secret Invasion being one of the biggest offenders. I really hope this doesn't become an increasing trend.
This should have been a movie.
I’m surprised for a show that has shape shifting characters that they didn’t have a scene where a Skrull transforms into someone and they have to do that cliche “I’m the real me! No! I’M the real me!” type of scene
For me I clocked out when we found out there was over a million skrulls on the planet. They could take 500 of the highest postions on each country as well as 1000 of the richest people on earth(that is even under the assumption that these two groups are mutually exclusive) and that would still not be a quarter of their numbers on earth. We should have lost the moment they touched down.
They missed a great opportunity to have Maria Hill get shot, only to be revealed to be Talos' wife, instead of having it off screen as an afterthought, not really serving any purpose, just motivation for Guya to turn on Gravik
Harshest thing I can say about the show: 3 episodes of Doctor Who (The Day of the Doctor, The Zygon Invasion, The Zygon Inversion) did pretty much the same story almost 10 years ago but a lot better.
Nicest thing I can say about the show: Samuel L. Jackson, Olivia Colman, Ben Mendelsohn, Kingsley Ben-Andir and Don Cheadle all gave great performances and they carried the show at times.
My overall reaction of the show is that it was a frustrating uneven show that needed another draft and at least two more episodes to iron out some issues but it was more entertaining than negative reviews had led me to believe.
the SKrulls are pretty much just a rip off the Zygons.
The series isn't all bad, but it's clear the people putting things together knew how to set things up, but didn't realize how to tie it together into a conclusion.
They really needed to give Gravik both a better motivation and a more consistent characterization instead of him just being a boring bad guy.
So the skrull started a genocide so they can walk around as themselves without disguises? It’s seriously that simple?
And on a person level Gravik wants to kill Fury, because... someone else destroyed their planet? and Fury went out of his way so they could even stay here for decades? oh yeah, but he made a false promise, so let's just wipe out his entire species
And yet in their secret base everyone walked around in their human disguises. 🙄 Was there no enough money for makeup in that $200mil budget?
@@LizardSpork Oh yeah, that was a dead giveaway of how cheap this whole thing was made, despite the budget. Also pay attention to how corpses almost never transform back on screen. They're just adding a sound and then suddenly it's a bad looking green guy
Crazy how the best plot line in the show was introduced in the last 10 minutes and we’ll probably never see it getting resolved.
The idea of the US President invoking so much paranoia is interesting. Honestly, if they just moved that towards the beginning of the show and cut out the Super Skrull crap, it would be one of the MCU’s better shows.
is the show over???
Its a dumbass show written by the laziest writers
@@buusa yessir, unless they do a S2
@@Cole.H21 yeah this show had abysmal ratings and cost a lot. i doubt there will be a season 2
inb4 writers forgot, that Skrulls not the only aliens on Earth, and New Asgard will not be affected at all
Nick Fury isn't himself anymore, he's just Nicholas with no fury
If even Nick Fury couldnt make this show any good then I dont have any hope for any future marvel movie. None had made me want to go watch to the theater
All mans were turned in joke, hulk, thor, captain without power woke, she hulk incompetent, the only good is spider but i dont have hopes anymore
GOTG 3 was great, which the MCU stans consistently use as a counterargument to "the MCU sucks now," but it was great because of James Gunn and he's at DC now.
@@viniciuscardoso8056Atleast correct your grammar before spilling hate.
mcu, not marvel
@@lead6186 correct me god of grammatic? Are you feared of me? Man without balls
Ugh. It feels like Maria died for nothing because Fury had no direct contact with Gravik.
"So Fury, how did you deduce who the Skrulls were impersonating?"
"I found out everything I could about them, and it turned up nothing. Then I got a call from my wife explaining everything"
"Nick Fury... thats incredible. Truly you're the world's greatest spy"
Its still clearly a writing problem, unless they can convince the Russo Brothers to come back and recreate that spy-esque thriller that winter soldier gave us , this is underwhelming 😔😢
Agents of Shield and the Avengers EMH need to start influencing the mcu more
Gravik: Let’s make it look like a Russian attack.
Also Gravik: flies in on Black Hawk helicopters, equips his men with NATO weapons, and his guys speak in perfect English with a mix of accents, not one of them Russian.
Yeah great plan bro.
12:26 Exactly! If Fury had a Skrull spy network, he should have known about Hydra infiltrating SHIELD long before it became a problem! And another issue raised by it that I only just realised is that if the Skrulls need their hosts to be alive in order to impersonate them, doesn’t that mean most of them were compromised when the Blip happened?
Fury: I don't wanna call the Avengers because i don't wanna have the Skrulls steal their powers
Also Fury: Lets give Giah the vial, so she can get all the powers.n
Normally the phrase, "I could've done a better job then what they did" is just hyperbole after being disappointed in a product. But for this show, I legitimately think most people could've done a better job since the premise is already half the battle. I can't believe how bad they butchered this, and I can't believe how washed Feige is.
Not only is giving some random person the power of every fucking hero plain stupid, but saying Rhodey has been a Skrull since Civil War was the last straw
Yeah it takes away from his character and all the impact made. Like who however thought that was smart is dumb as rocks.
This show could be the best tension series for Marvel, like the movie "The thing" if they portrayed paranoia well... what a waste..
Keep your expectations low and you will never be disappointed
I do the same
I had no expectations for this show, and I just found it so boring and I even got entertainment value out of she hulk,
Life philosophy
I find it so funny that peacemaker did the “secret invasion” idea better, the alien invasion is not only important to the story but it gives you a edge while watching the show, it’s terrifying the idea that the character you like could be replaced there and, as the aliens make sense in their internal logic, they convince us that they could conquer the world.
The fact they killed off talos and Maria so unceremoniously was the first thing that sit wrong with me. Then add to that that this is a 6 episode series… each episode should be AT A MINIMUM AN HOUR LONG. I was so excited for this show and as usual, marvel/Disney let me down.
At this point the only series that I'm somewhat excited about is *Loki.* My guy will doing some heavy-lifting for season 2 of the show.
The post-credit scene of spider-man FFH where it was revealed that Fury was a skrull was way more intense than this entire "secret invasion"
Who's got my shoes? 😂😂😂😂😂
Hey ChatGPT! Let's make a Marvel series called Secret Invasion with 3 seasons where the main protagonist is Nick Fury and it adapts the Marvel comics Secret Invasion, but in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's a spy/ action thriller where skrulls came to earth as refugees from a kree x skrull war and captain marvel helped them to defeat the kree villains. Now captain marvel is on her duty in space and the skrulls are living disguised as humans. After thanos snap, earth population, got wiped and during this period more skrulls came secretly to earth filling spaces of power in society. Other character that might appear are: Thalos (old skrull general), Gaya (Thalos daughter), Maria Hill, Everett Ross, Thunderbolt Ross, James Rhodes, US President. Depicted Locations: US, Russia, London.
For narrative purposes keep most of the plans of the skrulls as a secret and try to play with the mistery of a close character being a skrull or an ally being a double agent, feel free to make major secrets being revealed at the end of each season.
Remember, Thalos is in friends with Nick Fury at the end of Captain Marvel and they developed a partnership.
First season must hint a secretive plan that Thalos is not in command, but needs fury's help to figure out how to stop.
Title: Secret Invasion
Season One: The Shape of Deception
Plot Overview:
After the devastating events of the Thanos snap and the subsequent return of billions of people, Earth is struggling to rebuild. Nick Fury, who was operating from the shadows during this period, reunites with Maria Hill and Everett Ross to re-establish S.H.I.E.L.D. Meanwhile, the Skrulls who had sought refuge on Earth after the Kree-Skrull war are living in disguise among the humans. Captain Marvel is away on her cosmic duty, leaving Nick Fury as one of the few who knows about the Skrulls' presence.
Hints of a Secretive Plan:
Episode 1 starts with a mysterious incident where a powerful government official is replaced by a Skrull, leading to concerns about the extent of their infiltration.
Throughout the season, there are subtle hints that Thalos, the Skrull leader, is not in complete control of the situation. He contacts Nick Fury for help, acknowledging that there is a faction within the Skrulls working against him.
Maria Hill and Everett Ross discover that high-ranking officials in multiple countries are acting oddly, raising suspicions of Skrull involvement in their governments.
Thalos provides Nick Fury with some vital information about the double agents but emphasizes that the full extent of the infiltration is unknown, hinting at an even greater conspiracy.
Character Developments:
Thalos and Nick Fury's partnership grows, and they develop a deeper understanding of each other's motivations. Thalos reveals that his daughter Gaya is crucial to stopping the rogue Skrull faction, but her whereabouts are unknown.
James Rhodes plays a significant role in assisting Nick Fury, but he becomes suspicious of one of his close allies, adding an element of doubt and mystery.
The US President, initially seen as an ally, may exhibit suspicious behavior throughout the season, raising doubts about their true identity.
Themes and Tones:
Themes of deception, trust, and identity are explored, with characters unsure who to trust as the Skrulls' secret agenda is revealed.
The season maintains a spy thriller tone with intense action sequences, uncovering double agents, and engaging in thrilling chases and battles.
Major Secret Revealed at the End of Season One:
In the season finale, it is revealed that Gaya, Thalos' daughter, is not only alive but has been leading the rogue Skrull faction. She believes that the Skrulls must take over Earth to ensure their survival and security in the wake of the Kree-Skrull war and the devastating effects of Thanos' snap. Gaya has manipulated key human figures into positions of power and influence, all while remaining undercover. This revelation sets the stage for a tense and personal confrontation between Nick Fury and Gaya in Season Two.
Stay tuned for Season Two: Secret Invasion - The Web of Betrayal.
Nick Furry on why he wouldn't call on Avengers: "we don't want to rely on aliens to solve al our problems and we don't want to give Skrulls their powers."
Nick Furry in the finale: *relies on an alien to solve his Garvic problem by giving said alien AND GRAVIC Avenger's dna allowing alien AND GRAVIC to gain powers of many avengers and hope that alien would be able to beat Gravic.
And these writers want a pay raise.....
Funny thing is that Peacemaker did a better job at making a secret alien invasion the the show called Secret Invasion
I was waiting for the "Fury is too old" line to pay off to Fury actually faking it, but no, he's just old, and we know because the show told us.
One thing I have found disappointing with Marvel generally is that they are really wasteful with their story material. "Age" of Ultron, Civil War, Secret Invasion, all these should really have been themes that occupied at least a couple of movies, if not an entire phase each, instead of specific series and movies. What they did with Thanos, but with each of those themes attached instead. Instead "Civil War" was a minor scuffle in an airport, the "Age of Ultron" barely got started in the first place and "Secret Invasion" was anything but secret.
You forgot one thing when you compared The Winter Soldier to Secret Invasion:
One was written by competent writers, the other is Secret Invasion.
Winter Soldier Nick Fury...a man worthy of leading the Avengers Initiative. Secret Invasion Nick Fury...a man you wouldn't trust to water your plants when you're away because he has a habit of allowing a LOT of death all around him and tends to disappear a lot and is never good for his word.
Have not even watched the video, but that they used "AI Art" to make the opening...it already felt gross, as a Digital Artist myself...
then to find out that even the story quality is horrible....
Uhh
Thx for covering this!! ❤❤❤
This video does not only presents a better storyline than Secret Invasion, it also has an infinitely better score.
I like how one of the main criticism of any MCU is like "You know I liked the idea and the concept until it turned into an MCU movie".
Like I had the same problem with Wandavision. interesting concept, nice way to explore both the personality and Wanda's character but then they had to put the twist bad guy and the flying battle with energy blasts, and try to jump the shark as well as having to set up dumb stuff for sequels. like, leave it as a drama with weird visuals where the main bad guy is the protagonist herself. It didn't need Agatha, White Vision, the Darkhold.
A great movie of how to do a paranoid filled suspense with a shapeshifting villain is “the Thing.” This show barely felt suspenseful and felt dry.
I didn’t even know this show came out. Wow
It's amazing that a network TV show like Agents of Shield could handle intrigue and espionage and even being infiltrated by imposters so much better than this big budget MCU production.
your ideas for Maria Hill is way better. Probably people will be more interested to watch the show. Maria Hill dying in episode 4 or 6, have more impact. Or be a double agent skrull too.
Why would we ever care that the Skrulls are taking over when the only other times we've seen them, they've been good guys led by Talos?
Secret invasion should have been a 9 episodes series or a freaking mini-phase.
They promised fan the second coming of winter soldier and delivered us a cheap copy of the summer scout. And this is coming from someone who usually defend marvel's projects post phase 3
I think this show was written by an IA
They could've simply made the Skulls motivation be to gradually and systematically replace humanity since the skulls are despised across the universe and need to disguise themselves as boring harmless humans
I feel like Phase 4 should have been all about the Skrulls. Introducing them at the end of Phase 3 with Captain Marvel and Far From Home, with each Phase 4 Movie having a Post Credit scene that could relate to them, like imagine if No Way Home ended with it being revealed that J Jonah Jameson was actually a Skrull or something. By the end they could make a like "Avengers: Secret Invasion", which would lead to the defeat of the Skrulls, but with the status quo being changed, the people of Earth being aware of the existance of Skrulls and being paranoid, which could be a perfect segway into the Multiverse/Kang Saga, with him slowly amassing an army or pulling the strings into separating the heroes so they are easier to conquer (Thus the name Kang the Conqueror), and then you end with Secret Wars where all that setup pays off.
Its not perfect by any means but it just baffles me that Secret Invasion, a large scale and status quo changing event was religated to only 6 Episodes, without even an appearance of some Main heroes and Avengers.
What a cool and analytical review! It's so unique and different from a lot of the other Marvel reviews I see. I definitely enjoy your style, it's very respectable and intelligent.
If someone told me a year ago that the godawful Picard show would end up telling a better secret invasion story than a dark Nick Fury special I'd think they were balls to the wall insane.
Gravick killing his own people/lieutenants is so stupid and lazy
Gravick receives no sympathy points from the audience or characters. He’s just a evil bad guy number 400
This reminds me of another invasion plot that happened in WWE, basically Vince Mcmahon, owner of WWE bought WCW, their main competition in 2001, potentially allowing major WCW wrestlers to FINALLY appear in WWE and when it got teased in WWE RAW, the excitement was through the roof, with hundreds of potential dream matches between the likes of Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock, Sting, etc. But, turns out the WWE couldn't afford to buyout the contract's of the WCW wrestlers and we ended up getting another storyline about the Mcmahon family fighting each other.
Here's what the sad thing. Then-WWF had just been forced to stop its use of WWF from the World Wildlife Fund, so they easily could have rebranded as WCW. Instead, they came up with the "get the F out" campaign AND initially had the boneheaded idea of having "Shane McMahon presents WCW."
Like why would Nick be the one to find them a new planet considering that Talos and his group left with Carol Danvers to find a new home amongst the stars at the end of Captain Marvel? Fury doesn’t even have a spaceship or super powers. Like I think a darker twist should have been that Carol *did* find them a new planet, but Fury hid that knowledge in order to keep using them as his super spies. It could have been a revelation he kept with the idea he *was* going to tell them, but threats just kept popping up so he kept coming up with reasons to put it off
I don’t think Nick couldn’t find them a planet. I just think nobody wanted them. This whole show was a showcase that the Kree were absolutely right from the start. Talos is the outlier, considering he’s the only one voicing an opposition to the rest of them wanting to decimate everything on Earth to get their way.
What about Thanos's planet?
@@joshuaperrine2019 Titan? That’s been decimated.
I am shocked how they managed to fail it with legendary actors like Samuel.
It's like buying a "Where's Waldo" or "Where's Wally" and they draw a red circle around him on every page.
Honestly. This Show could’ve benefitted from two Major Factors that have been super ignored these past several years.
1.) Agents of SHIELD! I’m going to finally touch upon this! Because it is a GODDAMN Shame that NONE of the Characters from “Agents of SHIELD” haven’t made a Diseny+ or big screen appearance. That Show is Absolutely Wild and I do recommend watching all the episodes going into Seasons 2,3, 4, 5, & 6!
Just damn good surprises, especially with the WMD & Agents of HYDRA Arc that takes a few pages from the Skroll handbook on who’s who.
I won’t say the show is perfect, but the Directors and actors knew how to make a superhero Spy series work.
2.) The Russo Brothers! I get their not TV directors! But they know how to Do Cinematic Spy Mercenary Plots well! And it’s a major shame that they weren’t brought in or at least ASKED about what needed to be brought to the discussion table in regards to this short TV series!
For an Additional comment. I would like to point out how Crazy it would be to Bring Agent’s of SHIELD into the 616 Universe again! I don’t care if Joss Whedon is still looked down upon! The dude can at least give us a decent story if we’re focusing on the widing the scope and theme of the multiverse!
I would kill for Fitzsimmons to be in the mcu 😭😭
Joss was only for the first episode or something. Jed and Marissa Whedon handled the rest, and it saved the show from Joss's worst vices. Anyway, Fitzsimmons can keep their happy ending and the satisfactory conclusion to their arc: I don't trust Disney+ to respect them.
@@ultimamage3
Not just talking about Fitzsimmons. But May, Daisy, and Mack (who poses as Fury on Earth).
Hell, even WMD Colson would be a great Cameo Return to the MCU.
Secret Invasion makes Agents of Shield feel and look like a Masterpiece 😂
This is what I keep saying. Season one and first half of season two (with CAWS) has much more intrigue, betrayal, spy craft, and danger than Secret Invasion.
@@dancingdragon3
Secret Invasion should’ve been Marvels version of “24”.
Fury needed to unleash his inner “Jack Bauer”.
I mean SHIELD did the intrigue and paranoia that this series should have so much better in season 3 and 4 (even s1 with the Hydra thing)
Nick Fury hasn't been the same since we found out that he was half-blinded by a cute little kitty-cat.
There was a TV mini series that came out in the 80s called "V". That show should have been used as a template for this one.
Is it because they used the name and ignored everything else about the comic story....just like everything else?
Yeah, I've watched a lot of James Bond movies lately (research for a campy spy book I'm writing) and I'm really sick of the "Start World War 3 for Fun and Profit" bad guy plot.