Echo Review - I'd Rather Be Scalped
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- Echo review of Disney+ new Marcel MCU series featuring Echo a deaf indigenous amputee superhero. Fighting Kingpin and her ancestors Echo fights against a crime boss for Disney Marvel's virtue. Is Echo worth watching on Disney+?
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Echo review of Disney Marvels new Disney+ streaming series. But you'll find it hard watch because the audio cuts out regularly all for the benefit of the main actress. Who on the set had deaf people to teach her because she preferred to not need a translator, so do I! Can I have some audio please. Release the dubbed cut. If Disney require an English dub for an already English TV series just because they refuse to speak, then thats a 2024 I can laugh at. But even if it had audio, the pacing is slow, the story nonsensical and it's like they started at the category boxes of the actress and didn't plan any further. After this episode, the next review will just be a summary of the highlights, because there are so many sections of nothing happening. The series is a farce. But what do you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
this show is insulting to native americans.
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Cheeky 😝
Oh Disparu, mein kliener Britisher liebshen, but didn’t you just ‘Feel’ all the native empowerment flowing through you?!?
Now all psychopathic, deaf, female, indigenous American, amputees with a face like a slapped arse, assassins everywhere are represented!
DIVERSITY!!! 🎉😂
I was waiting for you to roast this turd!!
So wait her “redemption” story isn’t that she questions all the evil she’s been doing & realizes she’s in the wrong, but instead finds out who actually planned her dads death? Where she then flees & puts her remaining family in danger for her vengeance. Why are we supposed to root for her again?
yes, is that a problem?
Yes@@above.average.gaming.natio3026
Because she has all her family inside her. So she is basically Rey. Therefore whamen powah!
because shes deaf and missing a foot
how dare you cast doubt against indigenous , deaf, one legged menstruating person! go into corner and say the mantra of what isms you have caused and repent!! [body positive sarcasm of course]
"we need deaf actors for deaf roles" I think mr cox proved quite definitively that you do not need an actor with the affliction to play characters of said affliction in media.
Beware, oh actors who sign up for roles of characters that die (or get mutilated)...
What's next coma actors played by coma patient's
And real dead people can only play dead people
It's hard to believe this is the same reality that actresses like MARLEE MATLIN exists, I hate that these weirdos keep acting like they're the first to do everything 😡
Disney : we still havent found a wooden african trans boy to play pinnocio yet
I love it that Kingpin had to go recruit an evil sign language interpreter. "Help wanted. ASL interpreter. Must be evil. Only required 15 minutes per year maximum."
Actually....Required every sunday for Sunday Dinners along with any time of day or night when Kingpin happens to need to speak to Echo.
And then when he no longer needs the interpreter he decides to just have her shot!
And we're talking about a character who learned languages just so nobody would say things in his presence that he wouldn't understand.
I love the part where Kingpin had her shot for no explicable reason. It kind of seemed like he always kept a sign interpreter around him, like maybe she doubles taking minutes at mafia boss meetings or something, but no, she just had that one job of interpreting Echo for 5 minutes a couple of times per year. But he said he killed her to keep their conversations private, even though he always has 10 bodyguards whenever he's talking to Echo. Does he screen them to make sure they don't know ASL? I guess the eyepiece was supposed to fix that maybe? But then he still had to talk to make the Microsoft Clippy interpreter work. It's so dumb it hurts my brain trying to make it make sense.
Lol "Must be evil" 😂😂😂
What’s actually crazy is that Vincent D’onofrio (Kingpin) knows at least basic ASL. He’s used sign language in earlier roles and I think someone in his personal life is deaf.
So why have the interpreter at all? I know for a fact that man can sign.
The worst part is that in "A quiet place", removing the sound when we were following the deaf girl not only made sense, but also increased the tension.
yeah, I think they either don't care to make an effort or they are useless. You can definitely use deafnes to make a movie more interesting, but you need to know how. It's like they are using the same template for each of their movies and it's not working.
The girl in that was a better actress too.
A Quiet Place is a better representation of deaf roles than Echo. Far more enjoyable too.
Better writing
Better actors
Yup..a quiet place took a little while to get used to...I'm glad I knew nothing about a quiet place before watching.
@@toolegittoquit_001 And a better Pro-Family message
Plus the mother stepped on a nail, essentially losing the use of her right foot. That would check that box too! Right…Right???
@@randya3423 I would say yes
"What is the story about?" "She is deaf, an amputee, indigenous, based on a Marvel 'superhero'." "But the story is?" "Daredevil and Kingpin are in it as well, it is based on a character from Hawkeye."
Should be made into a looping flow chart.
Did we mention that she’s a woman? Female , too!
Daredevil is blind and kingpin is muscular obese. Truly a show about a handicapped superhero with a villainous counterpart and both done right.
That told me everything long ago, when they avoided the story at every turn and ONLY talked about the actress who is disabled you know the story was not good. Then I found out that it was, originally, 8 episodes and was almost cancelled because it was a mess and only came out after being chopped up and turned into five BECAUSE they made such a big deal about the actress.
“What is the story about?”
“Story? Do we *REALLY* need one of those? Why?”
I am a Native American descendant (Koasek) and utilize ASL since my son is nonverbal. This show is a slap in the face to Native Americans and also to users of ASL as we can see the numerous errors in their signing. Whoever did this show didn't care at all for authenticity, only for virtue signaling. This is just what we expect these days though. It's become so predictable that I'm gonna be shocked as fuck when they produce something believable and entertaining. Also, Daredevil would have mopped the floor with this bint in about three seconds... the difference in skill level, strength, and experience is absolutely ridiculous. She would not have survived their encounter. Clearly, her real super power is plot armor... I guess we wouldn't have had a show if Daredevil had been portrayed accurately... oh wait... nothing of value would have been lost...
Daredevil's powers and her deafness means he has an unbeatable advantage if he knocks out the lights. In the comics she has photographic reflexes like the Taskmaster to explain her fighting ability. That's also why she's called "Echo": she can repeat exactly any movement she sees another person make.
I am enrolled Native American myself in Oklahoma. I disagree! I like that Disney actually contacted the tribal nation and Choctaw Nation had a say on how the Choctaw people were being portrayed. I am not sure if you can speak for all Natives!
@@cshopwytuck6730Wouldn’t you be attempting to speak for all natives by your own logic? In the end, you’re both saying the same things. They think it’s a slap in the face for their reasons and you think it’s an honor for yours. The truth is somewhere between
@@SirSealandLister I am not speaking for all natives, but I am merely stating in my own opinion and my own experience of growing up in the Choctaw area around the Choctaw Nation people. It is important to note that the Choctaw Nation people were actually consulted directly about this series.
@@cshopwytuck6730 No one can speak for all natives, neither you nor I, but they pulled yet another stereotypical portrayal here and it's fucking obnoxious. It's half of why this show is such garbage. It doesn't matter that they contacted the Choctaw... they still took tremendous "artistic license" with the people and their portrayal. They need to leave all of us the fuck alone and go ruin someone else's culture with their current-day politicizing... or maybe just stick to their fucking mouse cartoons.
I remember throughout the 90's and into the 2000's Marlee Maitlin gave stunning, even award winning performances on various shows. She was never as hesitant, nor was the dialog as stilted as this. That is, I suppose, because in addition to being deaf, Marlee Maitlin is also an actor.
I thought of her too. Her performances never dragged down a show.
I want to see a team-up of Daredevil and Echo. This way a deaf person can sign orders to a blind person, or a blind person can call out for help from a deaf person.
Oh they'll do it. It won't make sense but they'll do it all the same.
Look up the old king fu movie "crippled masters"
Ooooh... I came up with a perfect ending for this episode. Rogue shows up as both Echo and Daredevil are losing against some bully kids from middle school. Rogue chases the kids away and steals the powers from Echo and Daredevil. Both Daredevil and Echo can both see and hear. They see Rogue and try to help her because she is now blind and deaf... Both Echo and Daredevil grab Rouge to help her to her feet. Upon doing so, Rogue drains both of them to lifelessness.
Hear no evil see no evil with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor back in the 80s...and a much better movie.
There was a movie with the same basic premise in the 1980s called _Hear No Evil, See No Evil_ starring Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder, minus the martial arts of course.
Modern Hollywood: Actors can't act in roles unless they are the same as the character they are acting to be. Eliminating the need to act.
This is why it's really tough to cast for a new Friday the 13th. There are just not enough undead serial killers lingering around lakes that show up for auditions.
Villain learns she’s a victim…and that makes her a hero without changing anything about her behavior or outlook!
"They should be picking deaf actors for these deaf roles to make it authentic". So should they also pick actual assassins and psychos to make those roles feel more authentic? What about terrorists? Mafia bosses? Should we start to irradiate people to try and give them superpowers for the next Marvel movie? These people are so dumb, it's unbelievable.
The next person to play Hannibal is gonna actually be a sadistic serial killing cannibal. Also, the next Wolverine is gonna be an actual wolverine since people with metal claws in their hands isn’t realistic or authentic.
@@chazzitz-wh4lyThrowing Disney producers in a pit filled with real Wolverines could actually be successful … just saying.
But they didn't recast Daredevil to be an actual blind man playing him.
@3:45 Disparu goes there- "She doesn't HEAR about opportunities like that every day"
the pay per view would be amazing
@@davidgantenbein9362
It's hilarious how Hollywood's supposed writers think that a woman that has no emotions, inevitably comes across as a masculine and dangerous girl-boss. While everyone watching it simply sees her as a regular woman with severe emotional baggage and a not-so-happy childhood.
The washed brains are amazing these days - many girls coming out of college these days LEGITIMATELY believe men have NO EMOTIONS.
So, like, Rey Palpatine. And Scarlet Witch. And Galadriel. And the myriad of copy pasta female leads we have been getting for years
She comes off more like a rabid dog.
@@chazzitz-wh4lyI’m sorry but Scarlet Witch was actually quite expressive about her emotions and genuinely complex as a character. . .until they butchered her at the end of her show & the multiverse of madness.
Why did you take this comment from Drinker's video and paste it here?
Apparently the writers/producers have never heard of the TV show "Sue Thomas: F.B.Eye" which ran for three seasons in the early aughts. It was about a deaf woman who worked for the FBI as a lip reading specialist. Sue Thomas, who actually existed and did work for the FBI, was portrayed by Deanne Bray, an actress who was born deaf but learned how to speak. There was some ASL, but most of the dialogue was handled by people speaking to her directly and her responding because she was a lip reading expert.
I only saw 1 episode because of my job, but my mom loved it, i think from what i saw i would have liked it too. Should i do a little 'sailing' for it?
@@stevenscott2718 I remember enjoying it, but that may have been because it was an English language program that got picked up on Japanese TV and shown in Engllsh. I don't remember much about it. I remember that Deanne Bray was good, although her character was perhaps a bit Mary Sueish, and that I didn't hate it.
What I've learned from amputees is that they need different prosthetics for different actions. A regular walking prosthetic is going to HURT when they try to more active movements with it like running, or jumping and it won't move and adapt the same way a regular leg does.
Yeah, now imagine that same amputee being a superhero or assassin engaging in hand to hand combat.
Yep they’d need something like Gazelle in Kingsman. The curved running prosthetics.
The MCU has mastered the art of writing the completely unlikable female protagonist.
That's what they were going for, right? 🙃
I thought they were offering up a new version of Charlie's Angles....
They are going for allowing the "useful idiots" (Social Justice Warriors) to help create division using Cultural Marxist ideologies to make people hate "progressive" Liberals and their ideologies.
Good old reverse psychology still works as intended. So to answer your question: Yes, that is *exactly* what they are going for.
Disney, partially owned by BlackRock (as are most Liberal run corporations) is controlled opposition helping turn people towards Conservative ideologies as the solution to the current woke (Communist) institution in media, academia, entertainment, corporations and politics.
You'll understand after November when DJT is reinstalled and promises to restore the nation back to God and our former glory by enforcing religious laws derived from the Talmud and were made US Public Law in 1991.
Not just unlikeable but dislikable. Most of these women are just bitches. This one's bland and lop sided.
Has to be. They're professionals after all.
Deaf and blind representing professionals right?
Is Phase 4 trying to get men to hate women? They're doing a good job so far...
In the first season of Fargo there was a deaf assassin and he was one of my favorite characters. But they paired him with a hearing person and worked hard to show his limitations and strengths. He also had an actual personality and expressions beyond being deaf.
I’m an actress, and disabled. If my wheelchair is the most important aspect of a character I am playing, then I have failed. I would be so pissed if a writer made my disability my whole character.
Climbing the watchtower just after the stitches and not even seem slightly in pain or moving painfully is Ludicrous .
Ive been a military contractor for 15 years. Was medically discharged and received early retirement from the army for partial deafness after 18 years. My entire childhood spent summers on Cherokee and Choctaw reservations.
Every single part of this shitshow is offensive to everyone they claim to represent.
One thing I’ve noticed is how very much Hollywood loves stereotypical, lazy “representation” seemingly now more than ever, but have the audacity to feel morally superior for it. I remember seeing a video about blue beetle on nerdrotic’s second channel where he and FNT talked about the over-the-top stereotypical attitude of that movie, _and the comments chewed them out for racism with more racism._ The movie writers made the specific choice to write in a Tacoma for the dad so they could make a taco joke about Mexicans, but it’s apparently more racist to point that out than it is to make that lazy, overdone joke in the first place. The difference? It was a panel of mostly white guys (not even all of them, which makes the following claim even more ridiculous), which makes it inherently racist, because how would they know? It’s not like human sense can tell when a race joke is just a lazy stereotype. These people (both Hollywood writers and their white knights) are some of the dumbest pondscum I’ve ever had the great displeasure of encountering.
I'm a Native American writer. Hollywood elite who practice Neo-Communism are recruiting members of my race to help them repress me and my books/scripts.
I have heard that before, I wonder why there isn’t more backlash
You need to stop being a bigot and consume product.
@@Zennsunni Do you think the media would cover it if there was?
They had a deaf, semi-mute contestant on the last season of British Bakeoff and it wasn't anywhere nearly as slow and bad as Echo when she was signing and people were talking to her.
That has a lot to do with how well they get trained in younger age and how willing they are to learn speaking. I knew a deaf person who was terrible at speaking, but I was told back then that our healthcare system by then would make sure that they are trained better. Given what I was told, there are methods that usually work pretty well, but older deaf people simply had no access to those. What I was told back then was that it was a major goal to teach nearly all of them how to speak as it helps tremendously in life.
Given we have public healthcare in my country, different system to the British, but they also have it, this may just be a difference in available care in her youth.
I haven’t watched the show, but if her capabilities are anywhere near the guy I knew, singing is completely out of the question.
@@davidgantenbein9362the contestant on Bake Off was young as is this 'actress'. Argument doesn't wash.
6:53 Echo's actor is mostly-illiterate in English. :(
(Or ASL)
Wait, deaf people are generally rare as it is. If she left 20 years ago, what reason would her neighbor have to remember sign language _to the point of fluency?_ Is there just a compound nearby exclusively for deaf people, hence why everyone living there _needs to learn?_
@@auraguard0212
Can't tell if you're joking or not. And it is profoundly disturbing to me how plausible that scenario is.
Its amazing how so many people in the Marvel universe just happen to know sign language. It would be hilarious if she runs into some jerk who sees her signing and just flails his hands at her in response.
Teaming up with her would be so infuriating when trying to work together and you have to stop mid-fight every time just to give her some finger waving and hoping the villains give you enough time to do it properly.
I could see deadpool doing that
The West Wing had a deaf character called Joey Lucas (played by a deaf actress) who was a top flight statistics expert and her deafness was part of her character but also never really mentioned. That was true representation.
plus the actress put loads of expression and into her character and her interpreter got to deliver some lines that were killer jokes when spoken by him, but coming from Joey
That was Marlee Matlin. I bet she reminisces about the era where she was the only deaf actress in Hollywood and everyone would call if they needed a deaf person who could also speak a little.
Yeah... but... it doesn't push the victim narrative.
Score another for West Wing.
@@gregutz4284 yeah. Such a great show 😎
She’s supposed to be Cheyenne and Blackfeet, which are plains tribes in Montana known for having warrior women who fought against the US Calvary. I would know, my wife is Cheyenne, and a historian. She was looking forward to this “representation” of her people but now, lazily, Echo is Choctaw. That’s like making a Chinese character Japanese, as they are completely different cultures… and a character who’s powers are simply “Native American magic” because she’s real good at doing Indian things and her ancestors are magical is just forcing stereotypes of mystical natives and setting indigenous representation back decades. For all the good Reservation Dogs did showing actual cultural representation … Disney just undid it.
You’ll just have to tell your wife that her heritage wasn’t considered picturesque enough for Disney to portray on screen.
Well Indians are magic right? they got it from that Vishnu god of theirs.
believe I read it somewhere.
Star Wars: Lightsabers no longer cancel a person when they are impaled by one
Disney: hold my beer... head shots no longer cancel a person
in the comics kingpin survives but is fully blinded instead of being patchy the pirate lol
Star Wars is also Disney…
@@ab-gail Well, that was a mind-flatulence on my part... it should have been Marvel. D:
This is a show that is chastising hearing people for their hearing privilege and chastising us for not preferring deaf people to play deaf characters.
In the world nowadays normal people are discriminated against because they're not victim enough to get votes for.
"Their finding people that's willing to victimized themselves, and they can use them as permanent voters." - Gothix.
All of what's happening is an overton window. They'll not stop until people embrace this in a slow burn.
This show was jot made for me because I am male, not Choctaw, not an amputee , not deaf, and also not stupid.
Almost makes me want to add some merit badges to their "oppression" sash...
Yup.
@jamesstewart8376...makes you wonder how an accident of birth makes you privileged? Has anybody figured out yet that not everybody was born in a filthy rich elitist white family. Last time I looked, my dad wasn't Elon Musk. He was a factory worker and we lived in a house that was over 100 years old and splitting in half. Which necessitated house braces to keep it upright.
If Disney hired Disparu they could at least make hilariously funny comedy out of their material 😂
The line that killed me was "stop signing at the dog!". 😄
The Punisher really puts this show to shame. Curtis in the show also has a prosthetic leg, the same leg if I'm not mistaken. He's also a trained combat veteran, over 6' tall, and likely over 200 lbs, and even he has trouble with fights because his prosthetic is a glaring weak point. Meanwhile, Echo can just girl boss her way to victory and somehow be on equal footing with Daredevil.
Equal footing...
There is a reason Punisher is still talked about after half a decade, and why this will be forgotten by February.
35:20 Wait, but... why does the honk startle her back into wakefulness? She can't hear it, she's deaf. That's literally the selling point of this whole show, is deaf indigenous amputee representation, and the showrunners forgot she's deaf?
Don't know why I'm surprised, this is modern Marvel.
They can still feel vibrations and whatnot from sound.
@@retsaMinnavoiG She can feel vibrations...while on a motorcycle? How?
@@retsaMinnavoiG Like the other guy said, how the fuck do you feel a horn honk while on a damned motorcycle? Yes, deaf people _can_ feel the vibrations from sound. *Anyone with a sense of feeling can.*
You'd think that after all these years, I'd get used to all the half-wits on the Internet.
Good eye.
@@retsaMinnavoiG As has been pointed out, there's no way someone with anything remotely near normal human senses is feeling that over the vibrations of a motorcycle they're driving.
Now, if she had some sort of Daredevil-esque powers that enhanced her other senses, fine, I could grudgingly accept that as an explanation, but from my understanding there's been no indication that she does, so.
There was an anime a few years back called _Senryu Girl_ which followed a girl who had trouble communicating with people verbally, and wrote everything down in poem-form instead. Making people read the dialogue would have been kind of difficult, so they had the voice actress also read the lines and conveyed it as the character's internal monologue.
I don't know if that would have helped this show any, but there certainly must have been a better way to handle all of this.
You know that the Dragon Prince actually represented deafness properly. Amaya has only spoken once so far, but for the most part, makes herself understood via translators, and it's done without detracting from the story.
Hey, that's true. I actually forgot about Amaya.
In the comic she was Blackfeet but they changed it for some reason. They were scared of the word Black, Blackfeet are more ''stereotypical'' natives, and they just want a new lore. Sorry, Blackfeet, you're too boring. On the other hand who would want to be represented by that? They changed her powers to be the ''power of the native''. Every time they end up being more racist!
Nah, the reason is simple - they were filming in Georgia for tax breaks/contractual obligations and the Blackfeet tribe is up in Montana. Georgia doesn't look like Montana - the crew said in interviews that they struggled to get Oklahoma-ish shots for the Choctaw changeover. It's just a money thing.
@@fruitbats77 Thank you.
@@kingagrabowska9366 Just wish they wouldn't lie about it - they did essentially throw the Blackfeet tribe under the bus (in the comic she's Cheyenne which has some crossover with Blackfeet) by saying their imagery was muddled and confusing. LOL, come on...
@@fruitbats77indigenous American representation was just so gosh darn important to them that they changed her tribe of origin, and then put down her original tribe for being too boring.
Also, the character herself was so important for how diverse she was that they completely changed her powers to be more stereotypical and racist in both tone and execution, rather than keeping the intriguing ones she had originally that had nothing to do with her race (like most white characters always have had, incidentally. Apparently all non-whites are capable only of being either cardboard cutouts of their race, or cheap copies of whites a la iron heart and the original miles morales).
The Blackfeet were fighters...unlike the Choktaw
Disparu is the only YTuber I know who really hones in on how how absurd this "representation" is outside of america. It's the equivalent of Dr. Who patting themselves on the back for having a character from Newport, Wales; not for being welsh, specifically for being from Newport.
I dunno. If he were to write off someone from a Reservation as just "an American from some dump in America," he'd get his ear chewed off.
@SirBlackReeds are they animals ? Ear chewed off *. And are they not American ?
Whsts do fucking special about Indians. ? I'm not called thrm native. Because they aren't. They don't evolve in America thry migrated like everyone else . Not that special. They are not the only tribal people in the world.
How many movies , shows and books ? Over represented is more accurate. . Anyone is free to try biting my ear . Best of luck to them they will need it
Idk, it’s different when you’re talking about Americans, since we’re a melting pot of all kinds of races. It’s not exactly the polite or accepted thing to do to boil all indigenous American tribes into even the same people, let alone “just Americans”. It doesn’t at all delineate that Americans are, in fact, made of vastly different and innumerable groups of people. You wouldn’t exactly say the Irish, Scottish, welsh, and English are all the same people because they’re all from the UK; you certainly wouldn’t call the British and French the same. They’re both European people groups, yes, but they’re still very different and very proud of that fact. It’s much more pronounced in America.
It’s more ridiculous to claim you’re so special for representing someone from a specific area in a nation that has a specific ethnicity or set of ethnicities that comprise it, than it is to take a member of a small ethnicity in a vast nation made of peoples from all over the globe. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still really dumb to act as if it’s some awesome and historic thing, but a Choctaw in America is not the same as a welsh guy from Newport to the rest of the UK.
@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBroit's not impolite and I don't care what some people think is acceptable. They don't care what a find acceptable or not .and say and do thinks I don't find acceptable.
The point about American . If its a melting pot then they are just American. Adding African or native. Is just divisive. And plenty of black people will get angry and say I'm nit African American I'm American. .
England is more divisive than America in msny ways . London is the most diverse city in the world. They have people from everywhere. And Scotland and Wales as well .
Of you were talking about Scotland or Wales then you can mske clan or location distinctions. But they are still Scottish or Welsh. Ireland or Northern Ireland. Still Irish.
We were talking about a reservation not the melting pot of the United States. The reservation is not a melting pot is it ? No .
I was just reading a comment from a someone born on reservation. Who served in the us military and was honourably discharged after becoming partially deaf during his service. And he was disgusted by this show . And this representation stuff .( this comment section) .
People in Wales Scotland England Ireland. Make a sport of insulting each other or purity testing. In Ireland they have jokes based which county someone is from .
But America is nit thst different interstate football or sports
@@shanenolan5625dude, you just said yourself that people still make clan distinctions in places like Scotland. If things are so much more divisive over there than they are here, then you should understand just why and how it’s not really an accurate statement to call all of those people groups the same. I never told you that you have to care about how people feel about these things, my comment is that it’s not an accurate statement to say all Americans are exactly the same _because it’s a melting pot!_ Look, it’s not my fault if you don’t have basic reading comprehension, but at very least I’d expect a slight understanding that black Americans, Asian Americans, and indigenous Americans aren’t the same. Yes, we’re all Americans, but we’re still different. I agree that viewing yourself as your ethnicity before your nationality is divisive, but ethnicity still affects culture.
They could have had a scene where someone is struggling to sign and Echo shakes her head and gestures she can lip read and that would have been sufficient. It would have explained why people are now talking to her and it would have helped speed up the pace of scenes. Y'know, like other movies/shows with deaf characters have done in the past.
Or like the character of Echo in the comics. I don't know why this show is called "Echo" because the comic book version and the MCU versions are so different.
A Quiet Place featured a deaf protagonist. It was a really good movie because the rest of the fast didnt sign when she wasnt around.
A lot off male bonnding scenes with the father and son that were really touching.
They did a bit of the 'girl that was the answer to everything', tho, but it made sense becase being deaf and mute is actually an advantage in a world of alien predators that track by sound.
The director on the set of “Echo”: “Lights… camera… action! Action!! ACTION!!!”
💀💀💀💀💀
look out there is a bigot in the house
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026
It’s good of you to announce yourself.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Bruh stop simping for the main actor. 😂
I love how the show that’s “Exactly what Marvel needs” is in a language no one knows
I as a Native American relate more to Hollywood depictions of native Americans from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. far more than I do with Hollywood depictions of native Americans in the modern age.
As an Oklahoman, I can tell you that the "Welcome to OKIAHOMA" sign at 35:00 is definitely CG'ed in. That very sign should be easy to find in Oklahoma, as the wording and even the font are accurate and could be found in many locations across the state. But the letters in "OKLAHOMA" are put so close together that the L overlaps the A, which you won't find on any of our signs. The sad part is that they couldn't even be bothered to drive around and find a road sign to use in the shot, or at least take a second look at their work to make sure it looks good.
As it is, it looks like they took the lettering from an old Oklahoma license plate and superimposed it on a small roadside billboard, and found that the word "OKLAHOMA" was too long, so they squeezed the letters together. Then they took a picture of a Chocktaw Nation sign and superimposed it underneath.
Watching these reviews is more entertaining than actual show
I know all about Star wars, Marvel, Doctor Who etc and haven't watched ANY of them. Every single bit of knowledge I have comes from reviews mocking them for a decade now ^-^
Yeah, you get to save your money and time and actually have fun
I haven't watched an episode of Rings of Power, She Hulk, Velma, Willow, Robyn in the Hood etc but I know all about them from laughing at the reviews taking the piss out of them. 😂
That's not a high bar too clear.
I agree.
Theo Dimas from Only Murders in the Building is a deaf character that's handled well imo. He gets just as much variety in camera angles and shot compositions as any regular character, and the actor does an amazing job conveying things not just through signing but also through body language and facial expression. Easily my favorite character of the series for his storyline as well.
The actor James Caverly has been deaf from birth, and this *did* bring a nice touch of authenticity since he was able to provide his thoughts on how to handle certain scenes/plot points during production... that being said, the show first started in 2021 - so I wish those involved with Echo would stop raving about their casting as if it's some brand new thing.
Yes it's a water tower. They exist to maintain water pressure over long distances instead of purely relying on pumping stations. As thy are almost the perfect height phone companies typically use them as a repeater tower and some municipalities attach storm sirens.
Water towers act as a reservoir, for when demand exceeds supply for a short time... such as 5-7am, when everyone in town are trying to take showers/baths.
When demand drops off (everyone leaves to go to work) they start filling up again.
@@nyetzdyec3391You're both right. They act as reservoirs that don't require pumping stations.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Yep... and the OP was also right about them being "popular" to be used as cell-phone network towers, AND as places to install storm sirens to alert local citizens of things like tornadoes, etc.
In some places, they do a daily function test on those sirens at noon.
I would like to point out that windshields don't shatter on impact because that would be bad in frontal collisions with things like birds. Other windows do shatter, and are made of tempered glass, but windshields are specifically annealed and crack, which is why you can still see out of your windshield after a rock smashes it. If it was tempered it would be unable to be driven due to occlusions from the spiderweb of cracks.
However, that was a comical piece of glass and it's more likely to kill you than sever your leg.
The windshield on the front is laminated to prevent any real fracturing. The glasses on the sides of the car are built to crumble into harmless pieces. It should be impossible to create a piece of glass like that in a car accident. And what’s even worse: a ton of Hollywood films showed us laminated windshields, so it’s not even a „but in Hollywood“ thing like exploding cars.
What I don’t understand is that in many car accidents people do get stuck and need to be freed by cutting them out. Limbs can absolutely be harmed by such an accident and it’s not uncommon to lose one. It’s just not the windshield cutting it off. So why go for such a bad version, when basically most decent writers should know better? … but then again, the other car only has lights on seconds before impact, so „realism“ wasn’t a big part of the scene and the explanation was probably „a wizard did it“.
@@davidgantenbein9362 the showrunners can't be bothered to properly choreograph a fight scene even in slow motion so it follows that they couldn't be bothered to look up how cars work.
Also, considering the amount of blood vessels in your legs, wouldn't she have BLED out from something that could sever her leg like that?
They seriously trying to pander to the amputees and the hearing impaired😂🤮
And Native Americans.
They think that everyone is hive minded like them. Imagine thinking there's an "amputee community"
I hope to Christ in 2025 big studio filmmakers can STOP worrying about representation in movies & focus on a GOOD STORY!! 🙂
Not a chance ...
EXACTLY! Especially if the “representation” is just pandering and doesn’t serve the narrative in any way.
By 2025 there will be newer and more debauched forms of representation. Hollywood will never improve.
Hahahahaha!
I’m not laughing disparagingly-I’m laughing tragically 🥲
In 2025, I think big studios will be more concerned with Blackrock pulling their funding after they've already destroyed their own means of making profit.
Unless you mean new, currently small studios that are quickly replacing Hollywood.
We used to joke when we felt disadvantaged to use the analogy of a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Now here it is in Marvel streaming. I can die now because I’ve actually seen it all.
Disparu reviewing terrible shows is one of my absolute favorite things to watch. It's always hilarious!
You'd think writers living in California of all places would know what happens to car window glass when it shatters. They'd see it every day. It's tempered glass that shatters into tiny mostly-harmless pieces, not shards from plate glass.
Windshields are laminated glass so they _don't_ shatter into tiny pieces. It's the rest of the windows that are tempered.
“I’d rather be scalped” ooh Disp! 😂😂
Mr Cox isn't blind but because he's a great actor you believe he is when he needs to have the role of a blind man to be shown
This show made me love A Silent Voice/The Shape of Voice a lot more and I already love it by a lot before
Anyways I'm suprised and relieved at the same time that they haven't touched on domino yet, her powers is literally a plot device that you can turn on and off for the plot to happen
Didn't Domino already appear in Deadpool 2?
Obligatory Shoko is best girl.
I recommend Sue Thomas F.B.Eye, a tv show based on a real FBI agent who was deaf and used her ability to read lips to help solve cases. The actress playing Sue Thomas is deaf, but does speak and I never felt like the sign language slowed the scenes down.
Deanne Bray. Great actress. Her deafness has not once held back her or any show she's in. Apparently she can also sign in American and in British sign language
Reasonable Doubts starring Marlee Matlin is another good one.
@@Atanalcar Yeah, she's great. her husband is also in Sue Thomas, F.B.Eye, he's also deaf and at least in the show he didn't talk but he emoted very well.
Yes, but their criticism of that show would be that the main character wasn't a POC, regardless of whether it starred a female lead or an actual deaf person. That's how they play this game.
@@sigmacademy I'm sorry, what?
Strangely enough, this recap is wildly more entertaining than the actual show. My sincerest thanks
The black screen as Daredevil representation! I'm crying. I've watched this twice(by accident)and I'm still lol!
Best line "Stop signing at the dog!"
I genuinely creased up and had to pause the video at the nutters line to stop laughing.
These reviews are not only more informative but far more entertaining than the shows themselves. Keep up the great work man.
It's quite crazy that they've managed to screw this up to such a degree, as written in the comic this character should have been tons of fun. Same "new" Disney. Everything they touch turns to shit. They have the Shitmas touch.
Did the same thing with She-Hulk. Comics Shulk is funny, loving, a party animal, strong, smart, sexy and not ashamed of it. MCU Shulk is so not comics Shulk that I wonder if she is supposed to be a different character entirely.
The psy-op will continue until the peasants submit.
The term I believe you're looking for is the Mierdas Touch. ;)
They made this super magical tribe have all the incredible powers (only the women mind you), and yet they still got oppressed by the huwaite man. So is the logic that huwaite man is so powerful they can overpower LITERAL superpowers, or that women are so useless that even blessed with LITERAL SUPERPOWERS and they still can't beat the all powerful yt?
Touché 🤣
Were they good and logical storytellers they wouldn't write crappy stuff. Also, what's with american natives having all these cool ancestor powers? What about, dunno, a man from Ukraine channeling the powers of his bogatyr - alan - scythian ancestors?
@@dariovirga7711 Presumably said powers would only work in Ukraine, since that's where those ancestors were. Unfortunately all shows are set in America, so he's shit out of luck.
@@petrie911 I don't see how. If he's channeling the ancestors through himself and carries on their bloodline then it's reasonable to presume that he can access his powers anywhere.
@@dariovirga7711 True, and anyone with the ability to assimilate that blood would be able to tap into the same powers, depending on what the "Ancestors" allow or or not (from a storytelling perspective). If you work through a "sacred blood" angle, you might need to be able to figure out how exactly that is going to work since blood types are a thing, and if you are going the "Ancestors granted it" angle, you might need to explain WHY the ancestors allowed it (like is there an Ancestor that allowed a villain to use those powers since it advances an agenda of his or her own - like the Mortal Kombat movie and their gods, or because it's a lost tribesman or tribeswoman or lost family with a hidden agenda of their own, like in The Covenant)
I admit that I don't know much about the mythology of the Echo character, but isn't her whole thing supposed to be that she instantly learns the fighting style she's looking at? As if she were "Echoing" it back? If that's the case, it seems to me like they should have really done some cinematography that highlighted this. Something like shes watching some unique move then immediately does that move back. Kind of surprised we don't see anything like that.
Apparently that was lame, so they made up the stuff with the ancestors instead.
Apparently, they changed her superpowers to be channeling the strength of her ancestors. So no echoing other people's powers.
I thought copying other people's fighting style was Taskmasters thing.
@@Bigblue3000It is. They have the same powers.
Listening to this review really makes me want to watch... Netflix's Daredevil AGAIN. At least Kingpin and Daredevil were good characters in that show and COMPELLING to watch.
7:14 Your joke with filming the series in Portuguese is especially funny because it were the Portuguese who invented sign-language in the first place! :)
It was also the Portuguese who helped Japan to create Romaji (ie, Japanese written with our alphabet) 😊
amazon worker turned lead of her own show proves they dont care about the best person for the job. Like you'd pick someone with no real acting experience just because she checked the boxes. And personally i believe talent isnt as rare as it sounds its just people dont get the opportunity but this is very clear signs of she exactly fit the EDI narrative they were hoping to spin.
Doing sign language to a DOG is the equivalent to me eatingg cereal with a pencil.
Having the representation of daredevil's lack of sense by having the screen go blank ..
A Chefs Kiss To That ! !! !!!
You'd know you're brakes were cut the moment you pulled out of the driveway. If they wanted to have her amputated, the dashboard (Which is sharp on those model F150s, design flaw to this day) pinning her leg would have been more realistic. Also, what was that reaction to see that she's missing her leg?
And the fight scenes. God, they're as slow as the dialog. But what do you expect when you pick a chubby, unathletic woman as a main lead and don't use any stunt/body doubles (Although the latter might be hard given just how out of shape she is).
You either train the actress or use stunt doubles, but in a good production you do both and use cuts to get better footage. … but given the choreography is already bad, I doubt that we saw the money spent on the series in those fights.
I don’t think it’s cool to call the actress chubby by any means. She’s actually pretty well built imo, she just doesn’t look like echo all that much
WTF you smoking?
She's got a round face because of genetics but she's otherwise fairly trim and athletic.
I don't think it's a good show or anything but she's deaf and you must be blind.
@@jwatts94And yet moves like she swims in molasses. Riiiight.
The best part is in the fifth episode, where a guy drives a monster truck over two vans filled with bad guys. His joy is infectious.
Imagine if innocent hostages were in there! The logic of the show is impeccable
This was one of the most vicious honest reviews I've seen and I loved it
I worked with a dude who was born completely deaf. Not only could he read lips pretty well, but he could also speak. It _was_ a little difficult to understand him sometimes, but he at least _tried_ unlike Echo. And he spoke faster than the hearing people in this show.
The Dare Devil fight scene was like Helen vs Keller.
A Blind man beats up a deaf woman and the only person to witness it was mute.
1- Comics: Born deaf, her remarkable lip-reading ability delayed her diagnosis for a significant period.
2- Comics: Powers are photographic reflexes, an ability as Taskmaster. (MCU used made-up powers)
3- Comics: A member of the Cheyenne Nation. (MCU retcon her to the Choctaw Nation)
4- Comics: Never was an amputee. (MCU retcon her as an amputee, due to Alaqua Cox)
Her lack of experience explains that fight scene. XD
I thought it was dual ballet
There was a video game that had the gimmick of the main character being deaf in it and it was called the quiet man. The entire game had no sound and the audience was supposed to guess what the story was on top of badly explained fighting action. The sound was added later in an update and the story turned out to be pretty stupid with dumb symbolism, motivations, and of course plot holes. Despite that the story was still more interesting than whatever happened in this series.
also the makers straight up let you know what you where in for first
I think back to the Batman Beyond episode where Shriek is introduced, a villain who built sound dampening technology for corporate espionage. Later in the episode, you hear (or don't) that power in action. You barely heard Terry's own muffled footsteps. That was a cool effect. ...In moderation.
It must have took you so long to find the scenes where hers facial expression is the same. So much work. Good job, well done!
I miss rhe days of Marlee Matlin. Children Of A Lesser God and Reasonable Doubts.
Both very well done.
The MCU presents:
Wokeahontas
27:56 are we just gonna skip past the part where Daredevil says "I've been watching them all night" like is he blind or what!😂😂😂
speaking of Alaqua being deaf - and how they just needed to find someone who's actually deaf - reminds me of how Charlie cox, the guy who's playing daredevil, isn't actually blind. he put in a lot of effort to learn how to portray a blind person well. that's part of why he killed it so well in the netflix show, he's such a good actor that he put in the effort to authentically act like a blind person. how hard is it to find a woman who can put in the effort to authentically act like a deaf person? or are you saying that only men are able to realistically portray disabilities they don't have on screen? that's kind of sexist disney...
Sucks about Kingpin. I heard he was at least a tolerable villain before this show.
Yeah. He was OP as heck but D'onofrio is was a good actor
@@toolegittoquit_001 To be Fair, Kingpin is OP as heck in the comics.
@@JKurayamiFisk’s like if the antagonist was the author’s self-insert, only instead of that making him insufferable, it makes him terrifying
His portrayal as Kingpin is outstanding...for me he steals every scene he's in...this man deserves an oscar 🥳 it's a shame what they did to this character in this $hitshow 😔
@@damirko06 100%. I'd love a Kingpin Standalone done the same way he was in Daredevil.
No glass on any automobile shatters into shards. The windshield is laminated glass to stop it from shattering, and all other glass is tempered. Which means it shatters into little pebbles. Laminated glass has been used for automobile windshields since 1911. Tempered glass has been used since 1900. So no glass on any automobile on the road today will shatter into long shards of glass capable of severing limbs. Headlights are the largest and often only source of non-safety glass on any automobile.
its really dumb because there are plenty of people who have lost limbs from crush damage in car crashes.
“I’d rather be scalped”….
That’s killed me 💀💀
"Stop signing at the dog" 😂
Out of all the deaf and amputee Native American Menominee female actors, she is one of the best.
Echo could be a good character if she was attractive and her ancestors, but in 2024, they want “ normal” looking and some fugly women.
Lol!
If I had a penny for every deaf and amputee Native American Menominee female actor, I'd have one penny.
how can you tell? we haven't seen her do any acting yet....
She is not really an actor though.
giving confidence to girls is good and all...but they should also explain- if you are against several men larger than you- YOU WILL NOT WIN. nor will you magically learn to fight nor the enemy-stand in line to fight. IF they would have made it so that she is actually a superhuman (super strength+invulnerability+ magic stamina) and it would make at least a smidgen of a sense
Yep this kind of scares me if there are some who see Hollywood fighting as even close to real. Like in a real fight one blow to your head from someone heavier then you and it's practically over. If you're lucky you might get off with a light concussion. There is a reason why there are weight divisions in all sporting fighting. Now for story telling purposes it's easy to ignore the reality of that with magical powers and so on. But I wish they showed actual struggle and the MC getting injured, make them have to retreat from some fights. How many trained fighters do you see beating up gangs? Not many if any. The single fighter usually gets bonked on the back of the head or some stray hit gets them down.
Any even halfway competent self-defence instructor tells every woman attending their class that the only chance of her defending herself from a man attacking her, unless she has a can of pepper spray or a tazer immediately to hand, is to run as fast as she can towards other people and hope like hell they'll intervene. And even then, unless the guy is _seriously_ out of shape (and she's an Olympic track World Record holder), he will accelerate far quicker than her, have a much higher top speed than her and be able to run significantly further than her without tiring so she better hope those bystanders are _really_ close. The only thing standing her ground will do is make her an easy target, no matter how many fancy holds and throws she's been taught. Even women who are masters at martial arts will struggle (and usually fail) to hold or throw a man who doesn't want to be held or thrown.
@@martindixon54 u know- i imagined the running scene with the modern healthy at any tonnage.....
but the fight- there was a champion martial artist (high tear, might be karate or taekwondo) and she got Surprise-paired vs a trans. she was shocked wtf is wrong- untackleable and way too strong and tough. just barely won by a smidgen- and she was of higher tier and very experienced.
Star Trek the Next Generation episode: Loud as a Whisper did a much better job at representing deaf people... because the guest star they had was actually deaf! Also the creative staff were professionals!
i'm sure begin deaf helped but the real reason it worked is because he actualy emoted with body language and/or facial expressions.
I started rewatching TNG recently. God that was such a good show.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I have watched tng and ds9 about 9 times on netflix(uk)
I used to love watching a British children's TV called Something Special; it featured a host (Justin) using Makaton signing to communicate and teach its audience. It may be because Makaton may be less complex than ASL, but Justin never spoke ridiculously slowly to accomodate his signing - he spoke regularly and signed at the same time. This meant that the show was accessible to both disabled and abled viewers and was fun and engaging on top of that. Whereas, Echo seems to only be aimed at the deaf community, which, naturally, does not make up a very large percentage of a TV show's viewing audience.
To be fair, I don't think they changed the hand signal to avoid using the "OK" hand signal. The sign I learned for it (years before the WP meme) is to fingerspell O and K, which is what she did in that scene. The usual english OK hand signal itself is just the letter F.
Edit: LOL "You look the same." Ok, that one is signed wrong. You're supposed only point at two things that look the same if you're saying those two things look the same. He's literally signed "WE look the same" by pointing with his thumb at himself and at her with his pinkie... if you just want to say something is the same without comparing it, you just make that sign, knuckles pointed the person, and swipe side to side with the pinkie and thumb pointed at nothing or no one you're talking about. Also, "look the same" is supposed to be a compound sign, not sign "look" then "same".
I'm not fluent, in fact, I only know a few dozen words and the alphabet (kind of) and numbers. But I've worked with deaf people. And, as I've heard, when ASL was created, it sort of threw the language out of whack, because different regions had different 'accents'.
Anyways, it was distinguished for me that "okay" is with your pointer finger and thumb make a circle, whereas "F" has the pointer finger and thumb make a teardrop shape (like squeezing the last digits of the fingers). And "9" seems only different by how the other fingers are curled, while making the circle. Really, context helps out a lot.
But watching two ppl sign, and having learned the super basics years before, there were still discrepancies. Our "G" was different (basically a sideways "Q", but I learned it without using the thumb). Other letters were just oriented slightly differently.
@@rogelioortiz3003 I will concede it's possible that different dialects may have included the okay hand signal is also their ASL for OK, I've just never encountered it from an ASL speaker or teacher.
I'm not certain the distinction for the precise shape of the letter F, the number 9, and the ok hand signal is particularly useful, however, because fingerspelling is fundamentally fast and dirty. If you're making the shape of the series of letters for a word you're spelling looks like the word you're spelling, people will understand. If you've ever seen someone who needs ASL sign the word "bus" the letter U almost doesn't exist, it just looks like they're going from the letter B to the closed fist of the S, from pinkie to index. I will agree with you, it is the context that makes the language work so loosely, however.
It's possible this is why you've noticed discrepancies in the fingerspelling of different letters, too, based on your experience with signers. As an example, I could tell she is signing "OK," yet the tip of her thumb is not appearing between her two main fingers of the sign for K... is that technically correct, or a different dialect? Or is it possible she's just signing fast, and I could tell what she meant? And I couldn't even see the letter O she signed, was it perfectly round, or teardrop shaped? Doesn't matter, is the answer.
I do however, think that the script appears to have been translated by someone who has declared themselves to be capable of looking up words for each word of every line that requires an ASL translation and probably doesn't understand what they're doing, fundamentally. Otherwise, so many basic mistakes would not have been made, such as the "we look the same" line.
You did it again Disparu : " Did you enjoy that? That was Daredevil representation". Fortunately I didn't have a mothful of wine this time
Echo deserves to go to prison as much as Kingpin.
There’s this magical invention called SUBTITLES!! Even if you don’t know say Japanese whiles watching anime or say Spanish whilst watching a soap opera or what ever you don’t need to understand the language to understand it! As if it’s bloody magic of something…
Was I the only one who burst out laughing when I saw the armor, I was like they aren't going to make her wear something that racist 😅
Yip, most armour/costumes of heroes/villains is to disguise your identity to protect your loved ones. But nope every “ethnic” hero/villain as got to go out their way to show who they are and where from.
Did you see the kind of stuff Hollywood filled blue beetle with? That’s absolutely their favorite method, just unending and rather condescending stereotypes.
What did you think was the main purpose of changing her tribe from the comic to the series?
@@davidgantenbein9362 they said something stupid like, we checked out the supposed tribe but we felt it gave off the wrong connotations.
I’m guessing they didn’t like some of the stuff that didn’t fit their narratives. I should look up each tribes creation stories and that’s probably where some of the issues stem from.
@@Docktavion It’s what I‘m thinking, despite the „representation is most important“, they immediately switch out anything they don’t like for stereotypes, because they absolutely don’t care about representation as in who those people are, just in how many brownie points it gives on x-itter.
I'm so glad I lived through and can look back at Hollywood and Disney when they actually made interesting entertainment that was original and inspiring instead of what we have now, which is beyond drivel. I want to be entertained and not lectured and messaged about disabilities, gender identity issues etc
We've been watching old movies every weekend, and it's like a trip to a world that didn't go insane. Competent males, sensible stories, and good morals all abound. It feels unreal to feel joy at watching movies again!
Removing verbal language and audio from a scene doesn't destroy it inherently.
That is a charitable assessment of this
The ok sign she does is actually the ASL letters for OK
Funny thing is in an interview the Echo actress almost called it the M-she-u
Best part of the media cycle. Gary's joke has gone out into the world, and lives rent-free in the heads of everyone at Marvel Studios! 😂
Im a amputee but I can't sign because it is my hands that are missing but i would have been more entertaining watching me try to sign than this show was
I think I nearly died with the "or she'll be in double trouble" remark at 15:25
Same!🤣😆
“If it’s not a problem to you what’s the point of having it in the story?” AMEN 💯🔥