Another Sunni.. Questioning our Prayers ft.
Vložit
- čas přidán 1. 10. 2023
- This is the second and final installment of the review of the discussion with Muhammad from the Muslim Lantern.
This is part of where he was interrogating about the Prayer and him belittling the verses of the Quran as if they aren't clear enough.
Here he makes his intention very clear, that his whole purpose in our discussion was to present my ideology as something flimsy or inconsistent - yet he didn't want to engage in an honest manner.
• Arrogant Hadith Reject... - Zábava
When he asked you how you pray you said the way imam do and he can make it up!!!!😂😂😂
And letter you said, rukuh,sujud,!!!???? 😂😂😂
"Brother little knowledge is dangerous"... Learn more...
What's wrong with that?
salaam akhi, may i ask what was the reason you did not respond to the article i commented about , regarding research of another brother on the ritual prayers in the Holy Qur'an? His research comprises most if not all verses which refer to the ritual prayers. Do you believe in mathematical miracles of the Holy Qur'an? He shows in his article the references to 4 prayers and 1 optional (night) prayer. I was just wondering about your reasons not to discuss this stance
you may post that in quraniyoon subreddit for people to see and to check if it's valid.
@@saidzihmmou6426 and who are you answering on behalf of the video poster? LOL. Quraniyoon? is it some sect, like what your kind is part of? You may go read a hadith about Aisha breastfeeding grown up men hahaha
Can you tell me is CZcams?
brother Muhammad, can you make a video about, Hud 114. Taha 130, kaf 38, Isra 78, and Rum 17,18. i ll be waiting what you think about these aya's
Brother I want to connect with you if possible.
Excellent video! I like your attitude in your videos and the clarity in which you explain things. I'm not Muslim but I would like to be. Do Quranists take the shahada? Also can we get a video on your backstory??
The Shahada is la illaha illallah, there is no god but God
@@Quran_Alone_Dawah Thank you 🙏
What i have stumbled upon recently that Qur'an only followers have their own Qur'an in which there are missing two ayahs from one Surah i think its at Tawba, and even its name is different, and they say how sunnis and shias added this two verses, so is this actually true or they are telling lies?
pls answer, critical question
You are talking about those that follow Rashad Khalifa - I don’t believe in that the Quran doesn’t have 2 extra verses
@@MuhammadfromGODand guess how Rashad Khalifa justified removing the two verses?
A: thru hadith
Learn from this and know that you must record ALL encounters with them because these people can be snakes
That clip was killing me.
Khouya is there a way that i could get in contact with you to share information
Salaam all!
The 'Hadeeth' explain & clarify the Qur'an! Full Stop!
But there's a catch....
The 'hadeeths' themselves need explaining / clarifying by the scholars. And let's not forget about the 50,000 differences of opinion among the scholars, and the different schools of Fiqh, and the different schools of Aqeedah, and what is bid'ah?, is something Sunnah or not? what is tawasul?, what is tasawuf?, was the Quran uncreated? Do your hands have to be folded or not in Salat? And.... and.... and .... and...
And... and...
Makes total sense to me 😊
All you quranists pray differently. Who are you guys to talk about difference of opinion
We have an explanation to why there are differences of opinion in Islam from Hadiths, you don’t have an explanation on why you guys all pray different
Because god did not care how anyone prays. If he does he will explain it in the book. Religion is a way of life. Not how you pray. Follow whats god prescribed in the book nothing more nothing less. God leave it for your understanding. He will judge each individual not all the shaiks or imams. I think we all have a responsibility.
Muhammad could create a telegeram group where we can all talk and share opinions? I admire you strenght in faith. God bless you.
Who ever rejects the responsibility seeking guidance they make themselves into groups and start to follow their mala and sheikhs instead of joining people into worshipping one creator.
Ma Sha Allahao brother.
Brother how do you explain the multiple Qira'ats in the quran?
I'm Christian but I'm learning a lot about Islam from your videos, and I think your way of argumentation makes sense.
Same. His arguments make sense compared to the Sunnis. I can't stop watching this guy.
Yeah me too, I think hadith rejection is a genuinely compelling argument for Muslims to really think about
the kuffar side with the kuffar nothing new here lmao i waza watching the entire 3 hour stream the dude is claiming edits. He could answer a single question with conviction, couldnt even recite the quran correctly for being a "quranist". May allah guide him
@@Yhwach3000 "following Quran alone makes you a kafir, but following mullas blindly leads to see God as a moon when it's full and bow to His shiny shin according to sunnism" Auzhubillah, you need guidance sunnis.
We are all on a path to finding god. Youre not "more right" than us just because your sheikh or hadith says so...@@Yhwach3000
Assalamualaikum brother i want you to make video on prophecy of Muhammad saw(pbuh) in 'song of Solomon' please please 😢
Hello i really appreciate your content my friend I'd love to see you make a tutorial for a Quranic salat that's not 2 hours long like every other yt video
how do you pray as quran only?
I'm a revert alhamdulillah all I do is read the Quran all the other books are confusing and it makes my head spin some of the Sunnah make sense other parts not really so I don't even know what to call myself other than just Muslim
Tawatur…
If your belief in the book is based on the book, then the way of transmission has no meaning, but if your belief in the book is based on the way of transmission, then your belief has no meaning…
We did not believe the people that brought the Quran, but we believed the Quran.
The person who delivers a message has done a human effort, but his human effort is not responsible for the truth it conveys nor is it responsible for my belief in that truth....
The truth is from God and my belief in the truth is not from that person, and thats what really matters...
The issue of tawatur is a silly issue, because the credibility of the Qur’an was never due to its attribution to Muhammad or because so-and-so companion transmitted it, but rather the credibility of the Qur’an is generated from itself and the testimony of the text itself.
The believers did not believe the Qur’an because Muhammad brought it, but rather they believed it when they heard it and knew that it was the truth...
( 28:53 ) : “And when it is recited to them they say: We believe in it, it is the truth from our Lord”
( 5:83 ) : “when they listen to that which has been revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes overflow with tears, because of their recognition of the truth”
( 72:1-2 ) : “Lo! We have heard a marvelous Quran, which guides to righteousness, so we believed in it”
All of these verses confirm to the believer that the verses are self evident and their validity stems from them and not from men or a method of transmission.
On the contrary, the infidels were the ones who wanted to attribute the Qur’an to a man of high social standing in order for them to believe him...
“And they said: Oh that this Quran had but been revealed to a great man of the two cities!” ( 43:31 )
Only Quran is the word of God no other books hadiths, doctrine or any other man made edited holy books should not be followed.
Everyone is too full of themselves. You can see they want to be scholars and have a lot of pride but no real understanding. Unlike you. I genuinely have a much clearer understanding of Islam because of you. Before I was super distraught because of all the stupid things that held down Islam and how complicated it became.
You have made me realise that these Hadiths aren’t as important as people say they are. I’m not a full Hadith rejector. I still listen to some but only if they have already happened e.g. with the Euphrates river drying up to uncover gold. Or make sense.
Even then. I genuinely mean it when I say thank you for opening my eyes to a more truthful and simple Islam. I hope I can further my knowledge of the Quran.
Brother , there is an issue with your number of prayers from the verses of the Quran.
As you can see the verse says
حافظوا على الصلوات والصلاة الوسطى
In arabic you have ways to reference a singular, couple, and three or more.
the verse says keep the prayers (Salawat) and the middle orayer.
not
keep the Two prayers (Salatain) and the middle prayer.
Meaning there are three or more prayers other than the middle prayer.
Too many guys called Muhammad. How do we refer to them?
a solution was created after the plague, we use surnames, or we can just use their username
usually the name Muhammad is followed by a second name, for example that guy from Muslim Lantern is called Muhammad Ali, so you can call him Brother Ali
Whats the point of even going on there when they won't even let you speak?!
No. People like him are many must speak up..
His point is to portray him as fool in front of his audience
he also didn't write muhammedfromgod to not "make him popular"
@@saidzihmmou6426 yes!
What are talking about he was ther and made a foul out of himself and never aswerd any questions. Instead of answering he keeps on asking questions becade he can nit answer. This guy is a solder of Dajal
If you read surah 30 17-18 states that you should pray in the evening and in the morning, afternoon and noon
Doesn't it mean 4 prayers that's how I understood it
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pray as you have seen me praying. When the time of prayer arrives, let one of you announce the call to prayer for you and then let the older of you leader the prayer.”
What i asume is that believers of hadiths are seeking for details. But Allah states in the Quran that he gives detail if it’s needed, so praying time is left to us, aslong it is in the night for example.
Allah says to follow Allah and his messenger. You do that from Hadith saying of the prophet.
You Quran only people are lost.
@@wingnut6985 "I wanted to have the traditions of the Prophet written down, but I fear that the Book of God might be encroached upon. Hence I shall not permit this to happen." Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb RA
Why do you think the Sahaba is lost?
@@gavinminty4974 first of all is this sahih? Also what is the context? Some people were writing duas and Hadith on the same thing they were writing Quranic verses. Second of all it doesn’t matter what 1 sahaba opinion is because Quran tells you to obey the prophet. You do that through the Hadith.
@@wingnut6985 these are authentic Hadith. You should know. Also it was at least 2 Sahabi. Abu Bakr RA and Umar RA. The first and second Caliphates.
Who both rejected the Hadith.
So I ask. Why should we do that which those who knew the prophet pbuh best didn’t want us to?
@@gavinminty4974 source!!!! Sorry I haven’t memorized every Hadith. I am not Bukhari. The fact that you didn’t site the source is suspect.
Also in Surah Qiyaama it says it is upon Allah to explain the verses. Where do you get these explanations for the meanings…..?? Ohh that’s right you get them from Hadith!
By the way if you are Quran only person then you don’t know how to pray and you don’t know what to say in prayer.
Quranist are a lost people. May Allah guide you.
Salmoon Alaikum brother. I'm really confused now and want your explanation ( I neither speak Arabic, primarily due to our Mullas' claim u only need to recite, how foolish I was nor lived in any arabic speaking country). As I understand, 11:114 means two ends of the day, and when they are at closer/approaches to night (by adding 'and approaches....' is not a separate task, like go to fish market and by Ilish, two different moves doing one task) . Atmospherically We have sunset (twilight), and then civil , nautical and astronomical twilight . So after 18 degrees of travel of sun which is roughly 1 hour 12 mins after sunset approach of night in this side and 1 hour 12 mins before sunrise, approach of dawn. So these are Fazr and Isha. 17:78 indicates one salat from decline of sun (sunset) till darkness (Not from median noon as some interprets) and then Quran at dawn. in 2:238 does salawt means three or more or more than one? and Wusta Salat some say Juma, once a week while some say asr. 73:20 is late night salat (is this compulsory or optional, can I pray it around 10 PM or do I have sleep and get up say at 3 AM and then offer). Desperately need your view. All the best from Bangladesh
as a Muslim you can't say some other Muslim that he has no class!!!???
I don’t think your upbringing was good
And watching this i don’t think that you a Muslim...!!!!
Are you lieing...!!!????
, I understand your position I have seen many of his interruptions and interactions with even Christian and atheist..
This is how the Muslim lantern do.. with everyone.. his tactics is to belittle you in front of people so that he may give the illusion of winning and knowledge.,
You can see how he cut and edited the video, heavily..
In his channel it is another matter..
Next time whenever you do interviews record it in your side take a witness the third person to witness and download it right away….. before editing..
So arrogant, invu
Salam Brother; I’ve read it and came to the conclusion that it is 5 salat… They’res Two ends of the Night; There is a Miday Prayer and The Before sunset Prayer
It said Prayers in Evening (So More than One) so that means two at Night. Those are Fard
Now The Qur’an even mentions Optional Prayers at late night
Its actually 4
But lets just say those who pray once are better than those who pray none and those who pray twice are better than those who pray once and so on and so on.
I watched his video and while I don’t think you’re right, I will admit the ali was being disingenuous and disrespectful. You were clearly trying to discuss this with dignity and he was avoiding everything, twisting your words, etc.
When I pointed this out on his video, people started insulting me the same way.
It’s a damn shame when dawah speakers treat Christians and Jews and pagans with more respect than their own brothers in Islam.
Al salaam alaikum brother you are right it's 3 times of the pray, another thing there is no Friday pray and the direction is toward Jerusalem not Qabaa...
The way of the pray is wrong too there is no Rokoaah after after reciting the two aya
Each pray is two Soraa and two Sajdah no silence pray..
See you inshallah in person we are going after Dajal and his aramy inshallah...
Bro if you even don’t have arabic under control and you reject hadith you are just ignoring the wisdom what is in quran good luck
he does understand arabic, he may have difficulties speaking arabic because of where he was raised. an african person may not speak arabic fluently too
@@saidzihmmou6426 half of people who speak arabic very well are not even Arabic by the way are u quranist?
What is that website you used for the Qaran?
I have a question how do you resolve contradictions between ayahs of quran?
I know you didn't ask me but what are some supposed contractions?
@@GoldenGeorge8989 here is one supposed contradiction: there are three prayers mentioned in quran but five in hadith literature. how does one resolve that?
@@rossmanmagnus yes, there are contradictions between Hadith and Quran. But are there any within the Quran itself?
@@GoldenGeorge8989 it's not my topic but yes it seems so. one example is the order of early creation like stars and trees and such is listed differently depending on which chapter you read
how to read the Pdf online
Bro you literally said in a previous debate you prayed 5 times a day.
😂😂😂
Yes, he prays 5 times when he feels like it, cuz probably be grew up in an environment of people who pray 5 times,
I get him, I do it too,
Wouldn't hurt to do extra prayers, as long as you do the 3 main ones (fajr, Maghreb and night prayer)
Muhammad, u were totally humiliated kn that discussion... Reciting the quran wrong and no solid logical evidence on ut claim
Those who didn’t believe Moses said the same thing about him. Mocking him for how he spoke.
i want to ask... do you really believe or are you paid oposition to make Islam look bad?
Haha Sunnis make Islam look bad enough, why would anyone waste money paying an agent
الطبرى الذى فسر القران هل كان رافضاً للحديث كله ؟ وهل استخدم الاحاديث كأداة للتفسير ام لا؟
الطبري هو اكبر مزور للتاريخ الاسلامي كذلك تلاعب بتفسير القران
ما هو الا يهودي من طبرستان ثم اسلم
هو من الذين اسسوا الدين السني وهم العباسيون من خراسان ولا علاقة لهم بمكة وهي اصلا لا تعني قرية في القران
كله من تلفيق العباسيين
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
مكة هي صفة وليست بمكان:
مكة تعني القهر والتسلط
مَكَّ الشيءَ:
نقَصه أَو أَهلكه.
: (فعل)
مَكِيَتْ مَكًامَكِيَتْ يَدُهُ : قَرِحَتْ من العمل ونحوه
تعريف و معنى مك مك في قاموس الكل. قاموس عربي عربي
مَك (المعجم الرائد)
مك - يمك ، مكا
1- مك العظم : مص ما فيه وما عليه. 2- مك الشيء : أهلكه. 3- مك : غريمه الح وضيق عليه في الطلب ولم يلاينه.
المختصر
مَكَّ (المعجم المعجم الوسيط)
مَكَّ العَظمَ مَكَّ ُ مَكًّا: مصّ جميعَ ما فيه.
و مَكَّ غريمَه: أَلحَّ عليه في الاقتصاءِ.
و مَكَّ الشيءَ: نقَصه أَو أَهلكه.
المختصر
مَكَّ (المعجم الغني)
[م ك ك]. (فعل: ثلاثي متعد). مَكَكْتُ، أَمُكُّ، مُكَّ، مصدر مَكٌّ. :-مَكَّ العَظْمَ :- : مَشَّ، مَصَّ جَمِيعَ مَا فِيهِ مِنْ مُخَاخَةٍ.
بكة تعني السعة والحرية والرحمة والتعاون
يثرب تعني التقريع والافساد وتقرير بالذنب وقلة العطاء والقبح
في تثريب اي في افساد
اثرب قل عطاءه وكثر فساده
لا تثريب اي لا تقريع
جغرافية القران تختلف تماما عن جغرافية مكة الحالي بل لا توجد خرائط قديمة تظهر هذه المدينة ولا ادلة تاريخية من داخل المدينة
٢٠٠ عام من الاسلام غامض: لا كتب ولا نقوش ولا خرائط قديمة (عن مكة والقدس والمدينة) ولا نقود ولا اثار يدل على هذا التاريخ المزيف. كل اهل الارض يعتمد عليها الا اهل التراث لان بكل بساطة هم يعرفون ان تراثهم كاذب فلا يستطيعون مواجهة الواقع
وما نراه فقط عنعنات وكتب متأخرة ظهرت بعد مئات من السنين
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
It is hard to explain in english
Let me translate it first
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
I have many studies about salah and ramadan and many more but in arabic also
Tabari is confirming what the same conclusion I reached by GOD’s guidance. I used his tafsir to show that your own books say the same thing.
You didn’t watch the ending of the video...!!!?????
Beacuse you don’t have any answer... 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
The brother was literally the one in the video debating him. He has no need to watch the video. He literally already debated him. Rather ask the Green Lantern to upload the full video :)
What Sunnis don't understand is even if we assume its true that the Quran doesnt explain certain things and therefor we need the Hadith, theres ZERO guarantee anything the hadiths say was actually said by the Prophet. You're just ASSUMING it is. In courts, they want the DIRECT witness, the first degree, they won't accept 2nd degree retellings because they know human memory is deceptive, let alone 5th to 8th degree witnesses which is what the hadith are. Imagine if Modern Courts today accepted 7th degree witness who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who commited the crime, such a testimony would be laughed at and thrown out of court, yet Muslim countries have laws based upon it
Research by cognitive psychologists like Dr. Elizabeth Loftus has shown that human memory is not a perfect recording but is reconstructive in nature. Memories can be distorted, influenced by external factors, and even fabricated. By the time a story is re-told to the 3rd degree, 50% of the details have already been changed, let alone 5th degree. Given that Hadiths were transmitted orally for several generations, the inherent imperfections of human memory cast doubt on the accuracy of these transmissions. Challenges of Oral Transmission. Studies on oral traditions, such as those by Jan Vansina and Bartlett's "The War of the Ghosts," demonstrate that stories evolve over time due to memory lapses, cultural influences, and biases. The Hadiths, being orally transmitted for a significant period, are susceptible to such changes, making it challenging to ascertain their original form.
The Quran wasn't limited by the same factor because 1- It had God's protection for its preservation 2- Sahaba's like Umar made sure all deviancies are errors in people's transcription of the Quran were immediately deleted. Neither of these apply for the Hadith. God in the Quran uses the Quran's preservation as a miracle yet im supposed to be believe a human preserved something thats 150x lengthier and 45,000 pages? By that logic i should be more impressed at Bukhari than Allah
Ilm Al-Hadith is useless too, psychological studies, like those by Daniel Kahneman, highlight that human judgments are often influenced by biases and societal pressures. Historical analyses by scholars like Patricia Crone emphasize the political and theological climates during the times Hadiths were compiled, suggesting potential biases in the acceptance or rejection of certain narrations. Comparative research has found discrepancies between various sahih Hadith collections, raising questions about the reliability of the authentication process. Sunnis bring up BUT HOW DO U PRAY WITHOUT HADITH (while ignoring that Muslims prayed without Bukhari for 200 years) despite the hadiths having contradictions too on how to pray.
The potential for political or theological biases during Hadith compilation, as highlighted by historical studies, further weakens the reliability of 'Ilm al-Hadith. All ilm Al Hadith tells us is Bukhari had checkmarks when asking people to recall the Hadith, that in no way is proof that it was transmitted correctly. I can ask someone Pious, truthful and with a good memory to re-call to me a story is friend told him and despite all this he could still get the story wrong
Good
Hmm
There's many misconceptions and false statements in this long essay of yours I'm afraid. A little more research into the science of hadith wouldn't hurt you you know.
channel host Mohammed, explain suray 4:34 without tafseer and brackets - and surah 18:74 n 18:80.
Most Muslims seem to think following the prophet means walking like him, talking like him, acting like him, etc. when I look at you I see a real Muslim, someone who simply “obeys God and the messenger” as they are supposed to, instead of adding things onto the religion, ‘nuff said
Right! I've tried to articulate this exact point to Sunnis.
Like for example the cowboy Muslim i think he is called, makes shorts detailing "sunnah" and one in particular was regarding how Muhammed wore his ring on his hand and therefore how you should wear a ring on your hand..
It just strikes me as bizarre that they think the positioning of the ring on your finger will somehow appease God..
@@pureexposure9424 since you think your smart please post here how to PRAY from the Hadiths from start to finish, all the rakats everything. i am 100% sure you will not find it Mushrik!!
@@vdnswho is Al-Rakim? Who was the Pharaoh? Who is Hamam?
@@kevinsavasci7311 atleast hadith showed more details about how to pray salah than quran. Will you really stop rejecting hadith after the proof is shown?
@@mahbuburrahman2499show your proof, provide hadith detailing prayer from start to finish.
Again excellent Job brother.
BRODIE THE QURAN TELLS U TO FOLLOW HADITH😂
Where?
Where?
Where?
Yes, the best hadith, the Quran 😉
yes guys the Quran says follow the Hadith but the Hadith is QURAN,,, quran is the best Hadith guys quran only
I came here after watching this interview. I’ve been binge watching Mohammeds videos and never saw him react THIS arrogantly before nor have I ever seen him be this rude and cut someone off this much. I was surprised because he’s usually so patient . I was expecting to be convinced about why I should follow Hadith,as a revert this is something I never understood because how is a Hadith more credible than the Christian Bible? Idk… anyway I think you handled it very well despite being cut off and mocked throughout.
Bible is more credible than hadith and Allah orders believers to believe in the Books of God. Also, believers are ordered to uphold the Torah and the Gospel and to distinguish the Truth within them by using the Quran as the discerning Criterion.
5:68:
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord's revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief.
5:48:
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.
Bible has been corrupted
And what about the hadiths when Prophet mohamed predicted about many things happening in ou modern world like
Women dressing like men vice-versa, the alphabet community, Arabs building tall building
Were they false also??
hadiths are credible for sure
@@SaNe.1230 you say the Prophet gave details on how to establish prayer and these details are found in the hadith - prove your statement, cite hadith narrations completely detailing all requirements for establishing prayer (beginning to end).
Hadiths have a very sophisticated chain of narrations. How could you reject the Hadith when Allah said in the Quran that He has revealed the Scripture (i.e. Quran) and the Hikmah (the Wisdom, i.e. Prophet's teachings).
The Qur'an recognizes the Bible and warns us not to follow the hadith. The Qur'an directs us to use the Qur'an as a judge or Criterion (Al-Furqan) to confirm that which came BEFORE (The Bible).
The hadith are purely manmade and not from God. Simple as that.
No amount of hadith science or will change the fact that hadith are manmade and not to be trusted as divine.
Asselam aleikum Muhammed
Brother can you show how you pray ?
I'm not sure about my prayer i dont want to make something wrong
Before i pray i ask Allah to forgive me when i say or do something wrong
I'm little bit confused
Selam to everyone❤
😂😂😂we can't show you...!!!! Because his video would be one hour long...😂😂😂
Brother you are not a schooler and you are breaking down it how???!!!!!
You don’t know the language or its grammar and its history...!!???
And you’re acting like imam???!!!😂😂😂how brother???!!!
Little knowledge is dangerous.
Brother you need to learn more about Islam and quran...
May Allah guide you...
Or if you are America's agent may Allah distroy you...
There's nothing you can do wrong if you pray sincerely.
@@blackpalacemusic dont spread misguidance
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pray as you have seen me praying. When the time of prayer arrives, let one of you announce the call to prayer for you and then let the older of you leader the prayer.”
Hello Brother Muhammad, I’ve known that Quran ALONE is the only way FOR YEARS. My family is Sunni and where I live is majority Sunni. Nobody wants to listen. They are so stubborn and stuck in their ways. May Allah guide them .. but we need more of our voices to be heard… what can we do to make this happen ????
My question is, since you reject all ahadeeth, how do you explain that there are different qira’ahs of the Quran?
I actually just uploaded a video explaining this. There's hadeeths that say Allah revealed the Qur'an in 7 Ahruf's which is a Myth! And what does Ahruf even mean?? Is it 'reading'? 'recitation'? 'mode'? 'accent'? 'dialect'? Did you know there are over 40 different opinions as to what is means!
And how many Qira'at are there exactly? Ibn Mujahid reported 7, ibn Jazari reported 10, Abu Ubayd said 25, and the list goes on!
And why did Uthman BURN (destroy) ALL these Ahruf's except the Qur'ayshi one?? Weren't the other 6 Ahruf's ALSO from Allah as well??
And why did Abdullah ibn Masud exclude the last 2 Suras from his Mushaf? It's because he did not believe they were part if the Qur'an!
It is reported that ibn Hajjaj made several changes to the Qur'an! Are we to believe this??
These hadeeths make absolutely no sense and confuse the hell out of everyone. I believe these 'variant' Qur'ans appeared over the centries during the transcription and distrubution phase. You must remember that the Qur'an was HAND WRITTEN by scribes and they made multiple copies and distributed them to different parts of the wolrd and it's likely there may have been some minor differences between the copies. For example, Afala Ta'qiloon verses Afala Ya'qiloon (Hafs vs Warsh). But these variances DO NOT affect the meanings from a 'theological' percpective.
The Qur'an says that Allah will preserve 'THE DHIKR' (the Reminder) and NOT the Mushaf (written copies). Allah was very precise with His choice of Words!
And remember, the Qur'an speaks highly of previous Scriptures (Tawra & Injeel) and refers to them as Light, Guidance, Criterion, and DHIKR as well. Therefore, the Dhikr is protected in ALL of Allah's scriptures!
@@negeto2460 So the Quran has not been preserved?
@@negeto2460 Afala Ya’qiloon vs Afala Ta’qiloon, which one of them is correct?
@@eliasn7927brother, Allah was very PRESICE with His choice of words! Verse 15:9 says:
"" Indeed, it is We who sent down THE MESSAGE (aththikra) [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be ITS (lahu) guardian.""
The verse did NOT say Allah will protect the Qur'an or the written copies of the Qur'an! The written copies of the Qur'an are from human beings (not angels) my brother. The 'THIKR' is simply as 'aspect' or an 'element' of the Qur'an. You can even say it is an 'attribute'. Just like how the Qur'an is described as 'hudan' or 'furqan'.
Therefore, it is the THIKR aspect or the THIKR element of the Qur'an and IT IS THAT (lahu) which Allah is protecting.
But, let's not forget that previous Scriptures (Tawra / Injeel) are also described as THIKR. That would necessitate that the THIKR in them must be protected as well. Why do i say this?
Brother, what is the fate of ALL the people (jews, sabians, christians) before the Qur'an was revealed if their Scriptures were completely corrupted, changed, and unreliable? What were they using as their GUIDANCE if their Scriptures were corrupted & lost??? And why would they be held accountable on the Day of Judgement if Allah allowed for their Scriptures to be corrupted & rendered unreliable??
This question is answered in detail throughout the Qur'an. The Qur'an does NOT say that their Scriptures (Tawra / injeel) were corrupted and distorted. But rather, their UNDERSTANDING of their Scriptures was distorted and corrupt!
Watch my video on my channel were I prove this numerous verses.
@@eliasn7927it does not matter which version we recite brother. These MINOR differences DO NOT alter the DHIKR (reminder / message). The scribes wrote down the Qur'an to the best of their abilities during the life time of the prophet. And the people continued writing out the Qur'an (making multiple copies) and then distributed them around the world. It's only natural that these varient readings appeared over the centuries. This just shows that we are HUMAN!
Allah did NOT send down angels to make multiple copies of the Qur'an and have them dustributed around the world.
Mohammad Ali in this instance avoided majority of the conversation, it concluded by technical errors being corrected. First time I’ve seen Mohammad Ali fail in actually answering appropriately
Mohammad Ali is catering for the social media audience where you are guiding yourself via the Quran.
Following the Quran only in my opinion is the ideal way because it’s without failure, it unites all under the 1 book and eliminates all this sectarianism. Time is the common factor which becomes the enemy of religion. Over time the Quran shall remain the same and the promise of no corruption only relates to the Quran. The hadith have no promise of being corruption free
Salaam brother where is it best to catch you for questions
Voice note questions
Jesus is not a sign of the hour as you showed us in your video, it's rather the book
But do you believe in the Dajjal or Imam Mahdi?
Show me a SINGLE verse that mentions the dajjal and Mehdi and I will believe 😊
dajjal and mahdi is a judeo-christian baggage that does not exist in the Qur'an.
Second coming of Jesus , dajjal mahdi all these won’t happen these are fake . These are Christian beleifs.
Yo my guy, real recognize real, your authenticity naturally flows through you, personally I think you can put your energy towards new content cause your efforts are not matched from his side, I wouldn't let buddy live rent free in your head...let me know I can help put these guys on blast,
Fr, he is authentic and he's just trying to find out the truth
@@Soul-zv3eh you can't find out the truth and that is something you have to accept.
Visual you being amongst a group off the same type tree, and I tell you to bring me an identical branch amongst your group. Have fun
@@user-bu8ic2sy9k i have no idea what you just said lool
@@user-bu8ic2sy9kHello brother, you said you could help brother Muhammad out. What do you mean through this? Do you mean like video editing and stuff?
Brother they do 5 times a day in mecca and medina .if you have a strong case present it instead of being ignarant. The way you come across as a christian trying to be a muslim.
😂😂😂😂, i know it hurts :) even if you spend your whole remaining life clarifying yourself for that half an hour, it won't be enough.
Yes I agree, no matter how much we explain to them, the Sunnis will not understand. And the reality is the explanation of Allah is not enough for them.
@@Quran_Alone_Dawah that explanation which you guys cannot even read properly? 🤣
@@afnankhan5989 I thought you were a Muslim when I replied, I didn't know you were a Sunni. Alhamdullillah there are people who speak little or no Arabic and understood the message of Allah even with bad translations. And there are people such as yourself who recite every letter perfectly in Arabic and yet the meaning does not register. May Allah guide you to İslam 🤲
@@Quran_Alone_Dawah the reason why we are blessed by Allah to read properly and understand is correctly is because we put efforts towards the words of Allah and his commandments unlike you guys who are super lazy and don't want to practise the actual islam so twist the meaning as per your desires.
Eg. Pray three times a day without any evidence that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ prayed like that .
I also heard some you don't even pray salat but just make dua 3 time a day.
Some of you might even conclude saying everything is not obligatory and not pray at all. All as per desires.
Hence, you guyz are deprived of such blessing of proper recitation and understanding and if you remain adamant on your desires, then you will see more and more blessing to be deprived from yourselves.
May Allah guide you to respect the Quran and the words of prophet muhammad ﷺ
وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ
@@afnankhan5989the Quran completely showcases the process of prayer. Also youre blessed by Allah by not following the religion of Ibrahim, Musa, Isa and Muhammad? Astaghfirullah make sense brother.
Sunnis and shias when I question them which one of the hadiths is real: 🤐
The farewell pilgrimage of prophet Muhammed is a corner stone in the Muslim history. The final sermon given by the prophet during this pilgrimage was witnessed by thousands of Muslims. There are however three versions of this sermon in the hadith books. This by itself reflects the degree of inconsistency of the hadith books as this is the most witnessed speech of prophet Muhammed.
1- First version, " I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my family. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; Ibn Hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
This is the version upheld by the Shia Muslims.
2-Second version, "I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my sunnah" . Muwatta, 46/3
This is the version upheld by the Sunni Muslims.
3- Third version, "I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God." Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56.
2nd one is real.
all 3 are found in your cult's sources.@@mahbuburrahman2499
@@mahbuburrahman2499 The first one (Book of Allah and my Family) is literally in Sahih Muslim
Allah says Quran is complete he let nothing out and is easy to understand.
Sunnis: Quran is impossible to understand without hadith.
allah says in quran that quran is in clear arabic so you would understand.
allah says in quran that quran is partly not to be understood by anyone except allah.
resolve that
@@rossmanmagnus If Allah say's, the Quran is partly not understood except by Allah, how should a prophet understand it?
@@zaheergaming1995 according to quran it follows that the prophet would not be able to understand the meaning of every revelation from messenger jibril
bruh sources and also sure the quran is easy to understand but some verses are ambiguous and no clear and ambiguous do not necessarily contradict each other
@@jabedhusu can say the same about a lot of hadith that have ambiguity and that contradict each other. Sunni’s always say that the hadith explains the quran, but most of the times the hadith needs explanation itself
Shia hadiths say to compare everything to the Quran and Sunnah and whatever goes against the Quran, to throw it against the wall, which is wise and allows us to take from the many beneficial things that we find in hadiths (like how we take advice from modern medicine), as long as it doesn't go against the Quran.
People tuning in nice and early to condemn a video that barely started... its like you planned it all along
Salamun Alaykum , I hope you're well brother , I support you in defence of the Qur'an from these talmudic "muslims".
but I think you should Question what ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ really is , and it is not a "prayer" or a ritualized and mechanized movements.
Lantern is bully!
He is using the dahwa strategy called( kitnam) wich is a a deceit by omission..
do you pray 5 prayers?
ML is a better debater, his logic is more sound, you had a hard time making your point but you got a few points in. You did better than most though but I found your argument unconvincing. Definitely something to work on but I respect you going up and putting yourself out there. Salam
Better? Lol he is an arrogant dude.
I watched it on his channel, I don’t agree with ur interpretation of Islam, but I didn’t like that he interrupted you so many times.
Are you trying to be gulam ahman...???😂😂😂
Or ultra pro version of SHiA???!!!😂😂😂
27:46 dat face tho 😂
I think the best argument to reject hadith is that "Let's suppose prophet muhammad suddently appear and rise from the dead. Then we give him and say to him that we are following hadith book from him". I am 10000% pretty sure, prophet muhammad will directly reject that hadith books! Because he never ask his companion to write down his words or spread his words to others except Quran.
Furthermore, in 2024 - His application of the religion would be different
The society and culture's problems evolved, and we are facing new twists to the old monster.
His "hadith" wouldn't be the same.
Where is the evidence that "Salaah" means the word "prayer"?
Translations have either been taken from Sunnis or those who gave some credibility to the Sunni narrative.
I had someone send me the original debate video to convince me of the need for the Hadith. He was so proud of that Sunni guy, telling me how amazing he is etc. After watching the video, I was 100% disgusted and turned off by the Sunni guy. He is rude and arrogant and spends his time gaslighting his guests instead of engaging, and he does that with all his guests. Such gross behavior. This man is kind and logical and polite in his discussions. I think the Sunnis start to behave badly when they are backed into a corner
I suggest debating with other Sunnis who are not so well known. This will help you get practice. Once you get comfortable with responding to them go after the big fish 🐠 😊
some dmonic shiz
How ur trying to save ur case but it won’t help as it was clear in the chat with Muslim lantern that u were not able to support ur belief
I call these Mushnik's Hadith Worshippers.
Well done on maintaining your composure. It must have been very tough to remain that calm.
The Quran is really all you need. Hadeeth books are nice because one can learn a lot from them, especially around how to apply your thinking. But I do not give it the same weighting as the Quran. My family hates me for this view and they feel offended when I say I am only a Muslim- they insist on calling me a Sunni. What I found, by removing hadeeths, I am more open-minded, more accepting of differences, and more tolerating of different peoples believes and opinions. Sunni's have become so obsessed with minor details, like how to keep your toes in sujood, that they have completely lost track of whats really important, and that is to be present in your prayers, and to build a connection with Allah in your prayers. If im constantly thinking about my toes in prayer, when am I actually thinking about Allah?
Fajr, Dhur, and Asr are the general times the Jews prayed.
Only I think for Jews it is 9am, 3pm, and 6pm
you pray like we shia 😀😀😀 is this new salafi way?
😂😂😂
Than you are in the wrong way too...😂😂😂
@@lonelygangsman4996 you must be greek god to judge 😅
@@lonelygangsman4996 since you are sunni look at your sunni hadith book that has been narrated from ibni abbas saying Resulullah one day prayed 3 times and there were no reason when we ask Resulullah said i want make it easy for my ummah. so who is lying now? Rasulullah or Muslim or bukhari? 😅😅😅
Im a Christian but am interested in islam and the arguments within the religion as is similar in Christianity
visit my channel if you want to reach knowledge about the Quran
May Allah guide you
I saw his recording.. you cut and edited yours.. he embarrassed you 😂
three parts where i answered he cut out
do me a favor
go on his channel and find the video
then go and ponder on why you couldn't...
That is a understatement tbh, he finished him
Be very careful following someone like him everyone. He just blamed the Muslim Lantern for veing sttacked ......
Mentally this guy is not right
you do have potential to make me believe you but you do really messy conversion with him :(
Sunnah Bro. Sunnah is not necessarily Hadith. rather a living tradition of the prophet which was followed by the later generation.
People were praying, fast, hajj, zakat well before even documenting the hadith maybe well 200 years before to be safe.
People were not reading Sahih Bukhari at the time of prophet or even after his death to know how to offer salah. or passing information with chain that was the later development.
You should be praying 5 times and practice everything of the 5 pillar even if you are a Quranist.
I have watched that video..i felt how you have been embarrassed your self
May Allah give you hidayath brother
God willing he will get better. He is new to those kinds of discussions.
Of course when you interrupt your opponent every minute and cut out the video so we dont see when he rebutted what you said or made good points its going to look like the opponent "embarrassed" themselves
video released: 1 hour ago
comment: 11 hours ago condemning without even watching.
@@aaronstibeljr2584😂
Brother how can i contact you to discuss something?
My email is muhammad2@tuta.io
Todays Dawa Muslims are being very deceptive. The first time i met my shayhk, he was asked about hadith... He said because Allah chose the Messenger, he is the best example for us. So we imitate him so Allah is pleased with us. He didnt say, we worship hadith together with the quran.
Is there some reason you think you should be imitating him?
@@Al3XB85 I don't think anything. I'm just explaining the start of how we got here. That hadith wasn't about how it is today. The Muslims today are more hard-core than a hundred years ago.
@@Al3XB85 Because the Quran says that the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh&f) is a good example for anyone who believes in Allah(swt), the Last Day, and mentions/remembers Allah(swt) a lot (33:21)
even though you both have difference in opinion in themuslimlantern's video both of you were interrupting each other and i'd recommend not to create hatred or rivalry as we are all muslim
not according to muslim lantern.
Q. Who told you about the Chapters in Quran ?
A. Sahaba R.A and Hadith
Allah says if you love me follow my prophet - prophet was a walking Quran
Lol when u acnt accept ure loss u make excuses just like whena a dancer cant dance he says the floor is crooked
Not sure it's a good idea to start name calling the Sunnis sleazy. I think we should honourable agree to disagree even though they get nasty.
you claim validation of the number of prayers from a sect "ismaili" you are not a true quranist.
Finally a muslim who rejects hadiths - true - 3 time prayer is only mentioned
What I see here as a xtian who has read Quran versions in English with erroneous translations to English,read Hadith books on subjects,tafsir and even biography of Mohamed I conclude as earlier
1.quran makes claims about itself which are not true and I am strongly inclined to think the writers of Quran added these as below.
Quran was not written book when Mohamed died.
They put it together and had to decide what to call it. They agreed to call it Quran..
when receiving the revelation there was no book. called Quran but many times we read the Quran saying this Quran.
It's like bible was called so after constituting it.
Then if we found the word bible in bible,it means it was added after it was compiled
2.the Quran claims
It's clear in Arabic
It's a detailed explanation of all things
It's a guidance
But you find Muslims can't now agree if there is no Hadith you can't follow Quran alone yet they all know Hadith had alot of fabrications
3.the Quran is
Incomplete
Incoherent
Has no context many times
Gives no details.
4.it makes clear reference to former scriptures over 100 verses but Muslims feel embarrassed to refer to bible becsuse they will get into trouble.
Now the biggest issue yet so important is does Allah tell them to follow Hadith written
By non eye witnesses
230 years after death of Mohamed,swahabas didnt
Characters who wrote are suspected forgers...Bukhari collected 600k and rejected 594 as fabricated..not authentic...was a genius
Some contradict Quran
Others contradict each other
Sunni and shia don't agree on all
Then worst of all some are embarrassing to their prophet
Here are beliefs in Islam not in Quran imagine you remove Hadith what happens.
Not even names like Eve,Sarah,Hagar,keturah,Kedar,Joshua,Samuel or even one apostle of Jesus is by name
Not in Quran
Mohamed was illiterate
Mohamed was linage of Ishmael,Kedar
Mohamed performed miracles
Mohamed went to heaven brought 5 prayers daily
Mohamed brought shariah
Mohamed is greatest man and prophet
Mohamed holy prophet
Mohamed brought shariah
Shahadah with words Mohamed is his messenger
Kaaba Blackstone came from heaven
Kiss Blackstone sins erased
Five pillars of Islam
Give 2.5% zakhat
Mecca and Madina holy cities
Mecca Kaaba is God's house but never said he dwells there.
So the battle will rage as today we xtians disagree on who Jesus is among ourselves and with Muslims.
the Muslim lantern boy 😅reminds me of the Christian Prince, he drown a person's response with he's babbling 😂
Hey bro, would you be willing to show an example of how you pray? I think it will will very beneficial to those who are new to rejecting hadith. Thank you
I can’t believe the level of patience you had. I saw the whole discussion on his channel and was blown away by his behavior. And I saw people defending him too which I didn’t understand at all.
I hate to call other’s names. I told Allah SWT I would work on this. But just this once. M.A. is such a gmar
An interesting story
A few weeks after my interaction with him. I went to Mecca to visit the house and worship GOD there.
After their Maghrib prayer, I detached and stood in the back by myself and prayed the way I told him I pray. I had a good 30-40 minutes of prayer, half way through a man and his dad walk next to me as sit.
They pray a quick 5-10 minute prayer
I concluded my prayer, and then look to my left at them, and I was shocked to see it was MA and his dad, sitting right next to me 😂
GOD led him to come sit right next to me and watch my prayer
SubhanALLAH
@@MuhammadfromGOD Subhanallah, I remember you saying that in your video. Those odds are absurd to be coincidence and I hope he got a good look.
We rarely recite a complete Surah except for Surat Al-Fatihah and Surat Al-Baqqarah during Eid. But my father opens his salat with Salat al-Ibrahimiya and recite a Surah other than Fatihah if there is time.
Bless you brother, I’m halfway through all your videos.
Look bro ik what your trying to communicate, and the other brother wasn't being fair in his discussions with you, he's testing his speakers corner tactics on u lool. But I believe to completely reject hadith is wrong, however over reliance on hadiths is also wrong, some of them aren't even authentic even though they're called sahih. I'm all for what your trying to say that we find most of our answers from the quran alone. But some hadithd are trustworthy, accepted by both shia and sunni scholars.
Yo the quran says to not break into secs and shias sunnis are sects but in the quran it says (NOT WORD FOR WORD CUZ IDK) to follow the way of prophet muhammed so im kinda confused cuz if ur following the sunnah ur a sunni and it says to not break into sects pls someone answer i seek knowledge
'Sunnism' is a SECT - full stop.
Sunni is the biggest sect hahah
@Mohammad, Good work brother.
Rather then debating about Quranic verses (which are secondary source for them) , Haddeeth worshippers can easily be given a intellect knockout with sentences below:
Is Bukhari hadeeth a Wahi? (lol, hadeeth worshippers will be stuck, as Yes or No both answers will be impossible to answer)
If the Quran was revealed other than Muhammad, would we still regard him a messenger? (Hadeeth worshippers will answer No, so we say "So Quran makes him a messenger, right!".
A messenger of any kind delivers SOMEONES message NOT not his own. Agree? (Again hadeeth worshippers has to agree)
Peace and God bless.
I dont agree that there is a prayer in quran even though i am a mutazila. Salat is allahs law and not the jewish prophets prayer.
The thing with lantern is that because he is not a native Arabic speaker and his only real reference point for Arabic is through Qur'an recitation, he has overlooked that your Arabic, which is native, is used more loosely and comes with it the colloquial anomalies that are intrinsic to native speech... and also it's a lot easier to do things like skip small parts etc as a native speaker
He acts as though he is the superior Arabic speaker but actually, ironically he isn't proficient enough in arabic to make the kinds of "mistakes" you made
This is the Qur'an we are speaking about. It doesn't matter what "kind of mistakes" as in the end there's either correct or incorrect. Please have a look at what you said again.
How do you know that the Muslim Lantern isn't a native speaker?
@@karimmezghiche9921he is Pakistani
@@Al3XB85
He doesn't look or sound Pakistani at all, he seems to be an Egyptian
@@karimmezghiche9921 he can't speak Arabic, he can recite the Qur'an of course and he has memorized the meanings of the words, but he doesn't speak Arabic natively, like an Egyptian person would.. I've known plenty of Pakistanis that look and sound just like him
You should have stuck to making your videos and avoided Shamsi and Muhammad Ali.
Prove that your sincere and tell the folks how you structure your salah, be clear and people won't right you off as a fraud.
Just your face here and expressions are like the guy who got battered and then later made a video about how he hasn't been touched.
Also your silly tactics in avoiding directly answering any questions is quite transparent.
That's strange, this comment section is full of sincere people, even Sunnis, who have come here to denounce the Muhammad Ali's behaviour. Many have found his channel purely from that video
theres a reason your attracting dmons