Norway's Silent Scandal - BBC Newsnight
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In April this year, a highly respected Norwegian child psychiatrist was convicted of downloading thousands of images of child pornography. The psychiatrist had been used as an expert, until his arrest, by Norway's controversial child protection system and was involved in decisions about whether children should be removed from their parents. Campaigners in Norway have long accused the system of removing children from their parents without justification and now, despite the serious nature of this man's offence, the authorities are refusing to review the child protection cases he gave evidence in. For Our World, Tim Whewell has been to Norway to try to discover why child protection in one of the world's wealthiest countries appears to be in crisis. This programme video adult themes.
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Seem to remember this happening in UK in Middlesbrough in about 1994.
Child ''experts'' stealing kids from parents. All very sinister.
family courts uk.... uk collom talks about them.all.the time doing that same shit
The whole way they are handling this, or not handling it at all, is absolutely disgraceful.
Half of the documentary, draws a picture, that really do not tell you anything of substance. You simply cannot claim the "whole thing".
@@FrodeBergetonNilsen Well, taking kids from their families isn't gonna fix anything.
@@user-jw5xc4uh9t bull
@@user-jw5xc4uh9t no but it will alot of times make it better for the children
@@chudrocks8485 alot of times
This is a horror. Shame on Norway.
it's more shame on childservices/barnevernet
If this is a horror, simply cannot be told, by watching this documentary. Particularly, the arguments are not discussed, for each case presented. Not really.
@@angelicaarnesen4628 Yes. But the government defends this.
Thank you bbc for reporting this dark side of my homeland. We norwegians as people can see we are a cold
This is politics, it's socialism, socialism is a foreign element in most countries. It does not reflect our real culture.
@@frankovera7553 I don't think it's socialism I think it's an authoritarian institution.
Thank you for your understanding. Norway is place to live and enjoy. There are social care systems for children in other countries an example in the UK why aren't people complaining about it? Because the government understand immigrants cultures and backgrounds. Yes their is a need for barnevernet I Norway as it is in all other western countries but not to a level where you are forcing foreign background Norwegian families to leave a place where they have grown up and spent most of their lives in. Not to a level where families are divided on small matters such as why are you not eating fish or cheese or why can't you speak Norwegian. It takes time to learn Norwegian and barnevernet has to understand that parent are also promoting their own language and culture to their children which they have fully right to. We Norwegians are saying that we are multi cultural society but do we understand other people societies and cultures in first place? Sadly I have to say that we don't have a clue about other cultures and approaches.
@@ahmadziasaqib8 Parents shouldn't be focusing on promoting their previous cultures to their children, not until they've taught them about the culture they are trying to live in. First things first, teach Norwegian language and culture, then 'after' that teach them about their former culture.
Sadly its a Nordic bloke Gordon Arthur Doering who helped traffick my son Gordon Evan Andrew Michael Durward Doering. He treats his sons like a toy Library and he would rather live a promiscuous lifestyle and judge women he breeds with then love and permanently assist I raising his children.
Under two years for such an abuse of power is a ridiculous joke. He destroyed the lives of countless children and their families, supported the horrific abuse of thousands of innocent children be and goodness knows what else. Society needs to be protected from that man.
This story makes me so angry, I don't even have words.
What a shithole country!!!
It's all about the money. They receive over 50000 calls per year and take more th 10000 children away per year. The children are "helped, get support, etc" from companies hired by the system for high rates, commission on return.
The system gives 70000eur to the family that adopt, so they may adopt for money-it"s possible.
The issues is that the system gets lots of money if they have action, cases, if not, they can create it or help to increase the number.
Sick system, all about the money.
The question is who is making money off of these actions.
The people that ends up taking care of the childer earns money by taking care of them...and I think the state pays the childservices
There are also private operators that earn hell of a lot of money on this.
The money perspective is of lesser importance in general, in Norway, than say the US. Influence and the power of definition, is at the core of the matter, covered by this documentary. As a society, we really have issues in that department.
Terrible! Why is there no response from the norwegian authorities?
Cuz they all got lizards in their brains or are being held hostage at gunpoint by the usual suspects.
Such a stupid system with stupid people. Hate Norwegian Government and Norwegian People supporting this system.
India should occupy these European countries now and make them civilized.
Wow! This is horrifying! These parents should engage a fearless lawyer and not stop until they receive justice.
They do and still loose
From the BBC, the institution that gave us Jimmy Saville but not the Newsnight Report on him and his activities.
Exactly. And don't forget nobody knew at the BBC that it was going on, laughable.
That is just what-about-ism. The validity of the claims in this documentary, has nothing to do with that.
In The Netherlands also pretty common to take children away from heir parents for the wrong reasons or lies.
The problem is the socialist/globalist, it's a war on the family, it's cultural narxism
If Norway can't see that the damage caused to children from being spanked is TINY compared to the damage done by being RIPPED AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AND SIBLINGS, then they are bonkers. It would make much more sense -- and cost WAY less money -- to work WITH parents. If you think the kids are being spanked (which I'm not in favour of personally but it's light years away from being ABUSED), then give the parents a warning and maybe send them to parenting classes or something. Taking children away from capable loving parents does HUGE damage. Much more than some "smacking."
are you taking about that woman in stripes?
The day after the BBC broadcast this report, an article appeard in Norway's Dagbladet newspaper. The article was written by Reidar Hjermann, the psychologist and former Children's Ombudsman who is interviewed in the BBC's film. He's the man who co-authored the positive report in support of Ines and who only in this interview learns that one of the officials who dismissed his report as biased was later sentenced for posession of child pornography. In the article, Reidar Hjermann criticises the Norwegian Minister of Children and Equality Linda Hofstad Helleland for refusing to make a statement to the BBC. He writes her a statement she could have given. Here's a translation.
"Without saying anything about the specific cases you refer to, I can say that child welfare is the most important, but also one of the most complicated aid systems we have for children and families in Norway. Because child welfare officers work with people in highly complex and conflicting cases, things will sometimes be done thar we later see were wrong. It is in the nature of the subject. And though we try to avoid them, we must be prepared for mistakes to be made. Therefore, in all these cases, we must turn every stone to see what could have been done differently, so that we get a child welfare system that is all the time in development. A child welfare system that further ensures Norway is the world's best and safest place to live in for children."
》Uten at jeg kan si noe om de konkrete sakene du viser til kan jeg si at Barnevernet er det viktigste, men også et av de mest kompliserte hjelpesystemene vi har for barn og familier i Norge. Fordi dette er mennesker som jobber med mennesker i svært komplekse og konfliktfylte saker, vil det av og til gjøres ting vi i ettertid ser ble feil. Det ligger i fagets natur, og vi må til en viss grad forvente at avvik skjer. Derfor må vi i alle disse sakene snu hver stein for å se hva som kunne vært gjort annerledes, slik at vi får et barnevern som er i utvikling hele tiden, et barnevern som ytterligere styrker Norge som verdens beste og tryggeste and å bo i for barn.《
www.dagbladet.no/kultur/dette-burde-du-sagt-til-bbc-helleland/70077806
Kawaii Queen No problem. Just going by what I heard.
The whole scene with Mr. Hjermann is quite sinister. Interesting that Mr Hjermann first says, "well, sometimes a rotten egg can also do very good and normal things", which is a logically true statement. But then why does he act so surprised about the reporter telling him about the scandal case? First of all, how can he not even be aware of the issue? But why does he "contradict" himself when he just said a couple seconds ago that "rotten eggs" can also do "good things"? His reactions don't seem to be very natural either...
Hjermann was lying. He knew about the situation at the time of the interview.
jibeneyto i think mr hjermann is one of them
He is actually a really Nice man! And he was pissed off that the report was Said to be biased.
His reply about "rotten eggs" was ridiculous. The man in question wasn't convicted of fudging his taxes, something illegal but unrelated to his job. HIS JOB WAS ASSESSING CHILD WELFARE and he was watching child pornography! How on earth can that not call into question his "expert opinion" in all the cases he was involved in???
indeed...the rotten egg quip is a true trumpism
The main problem in Norway is that persons in child welfare have not been personally tested. Many of them have more symptoms of severe personality disorder. They are totally dysfunctional, have no methodological competence, often no personal characteristics - plus - many of them even have a personality disordered parent or have lived with mother alone. The education is parrot subjects - they memorize books and mean that they see and understand everything. In Norway, we look for people with serious "psychological" features in the criminal record - and of course they are not - they are projicant and manipulative and get away from it.
The people in CPS in Norway are sick they should be jailed for longer life sentience
@@0623elena My post is 5 years old and a lot has been done in that time - among other things, the staff is much more qualified. On the other hand, there are actually many parents who should not have the right to produce children. This applies especially to those who mix religion and those who are unable to teach children normal behavior and that you should include all people - not exclude.
@@lpdude2005 i agree
Norway is weird.
It's pagan and left wing, bad combo.
Yep, please don't come here, we are full.
Let us be weird alone please
Norway thought they were better than Sweden but it turns out they are the same.
AWResistance: The child custody in Norway is horrible, I can agree on that. But the rest of the society in 10 times better than most of the societies in the world. So please do not mix in ideology in to this debate, because you will find rotten people in any ideology if you look close enough.
Dream Diction: In that case, the Jews in EU does a hell of good job. Etnic Norwegians, other Scandinavians, muslims, latins and even neonazists enjoy the enormous weatlhfare we have in this nation. Admittedly, they all complain about alot of bullshit, but damn, it is nice to live in Norway anyway. :)
This is annoying this really bugs me I only have country like Norway we taking children out of the home all the time for no good reason and then in my country Australia child protective services here ignore cases until eventually the child gets killed by the abusive parent or step parent. You need to have a balance between over kill and under kill
"Happiest country in the world"
Yeah no, that's a lie. Denmark is.
I see only one motivation behind this, to protect a system that provides jobs and pensions, these employees won't jepardize that. Only the young ones are kept, that makes me ask how many parents give up and allow the gov to adopt their kids out.
Such a civilized country!
Civilised yes but Who their government who knows about crime and did not do anything is A criminal and does not not what humanity is unfortunately..
Do not expect any excuses from the Norwegian government. The state is infallible and most people here do not want anyone to challenge their belief system
So "the vikings" have made "smacking" illegal :p, that's good, good logic.... :/
How sad and terrible. Thank you for expose this we need to be aware and try to change this reality
Terrible and terrifying.... thanks for reporting this
The look @6:00 is totally creepy to me for some reason.
Edit: They can ignore it now but those children will grow up one day and want justice.
There is no justice in Norway.
@@turbowmore Well the international court will decide for it.
@5:50 bet that is cum on his glasses
some will just ask for money for it
Where can I watch the full video?
I am so glad, I'm never having children.
You have no idea what you are missing out on. Love mine.
@@FrodeBergetonNilsen Bu better leave Norway before you have children, or get used to live with constant fear.
Good that the comments have been allowed. That guy's response to the newsnight presenter's questions shows a very questionable character. His comment 'there are bad apples in every walk of life who do good things!!!' Give me a break.
He seems shocked and puzzled because he did not know! Very Nice man that tried 2 help my parents! I've talked 2 him
Very sad. Norway has so few children anyway and now the few people having children have to worry about their children being taken away based on the testimony of experts who it almost sounds like want to increase the number of children in foster care.
I don't live in this " Norway" . If I have heard about parents were their children being taken away, there is always a reason
@@toralm6974 this is what the government want you to think
The government do not decide what I have heard about.
@@toralm6974 sorry you are wrong, I have not personally been accused by the child protection cervices but been a support person in some cases.
and I sit back with this feeling...
What is very frightening is that the Norwegian Child Protection Agency is not an institution for the child's best interests, but an institution that gets paid for how many cases they open and how long they last, in addition they get paid even better if they get to take over care.
- The child welfare agency's interpretations have greater value than the police, and hospital or other professional personnel's assessments.
- No documentation from other agencies, either public or private, will be attached to the case file if this does not speak in favor of the child protection agency.
- They manipulate the "victim" into believing that they need a psychological assessment in the hope of finding something they can use against the "victim", even if this is taken out of context, just to create a negative image of the "victim".
I have seen several cases where there have been demonstrably incorrect interpretations from the child protection system which are not emphasized because the child protection system has a different opinion. This is therefore not documented in the case file.
This is horribly reminiscent of the tater persecution in Norway up until the 80s and 90s.
The same type of "helpers" only now a different type of "victim".
This is an agency that works on the basis that opinions, gossip and rumor-mongering are more important than hard facts from doctors, psychologists, police or other professionals.
This has ended up in an extreme witch-hunt due to the fact that the child protection agency MUST prepare cases for and receive sufficient payment from the state.
My experience from several cases where I have been involved as a support person for the "victim" has not changed, even though I thought it would be possible to see some sunny stories the times I have been involved.
What I see are "interrogation methods" and manipulation that would have been punishable if the police had done this.
These are methods and reporting systematisation that are reminiscent of regimes where it applies and indicate neighbours, pupils, colleagues and other people in the immediate environment in search of a new "victim" and questioning which Norway so nicely says we do not support.
So why is this then legal in child protection??
I use the description "victim" since that is what this poor person is, who has become entangled in the poisonous cobweb of child protection.
We have to stop and calling this child protection, because they don't protect children, they protect their jobs and their income, unfortunately.
these are people with way to little education and way to much power...
I am grateful to BBC for this investigation and bringing it to light. I have red about this problem many stories years ago, from Russian and east European mothers living in Norway, whose children were taken and it seemed to me at the time almost like a conspiration theory. For exemple if there was not a fruit juice in the fridge at the moment the control services open it, that would mean that you deprive you child from vitamins...and you are not a good parent. But the stories were so painful that i searched more information and find out that yes, where there is a smoke there is a fire... What was interesting in the stories was also where the children go after they are taken. What kind of foster families... This is probably another case. Very sad for the rich societies.
That's a shame. They have to review those cases.
It's not just a shame, it's criminal. The Norwegian governmend its agents should be prosecuted under international criminal law for taking children from their families and putting them in foster care for no good reason - that's systematic child abuse.
It is a business, the private companies get payed for each child, the foster families get money for each child. Some foster families have more than one kid, so more $$$$.
Some of these families are relatives of social workers, … etc.
The children is the property of their parents not the state.The state has no right to snatch the child unless the Child is being truly sexually and physically abused by the parents.
No, children are not objects. They belong to themselves. If you don't want to fit in, don't immigrate. In Norway and in my country also it is forbidden to hit anyone.
@@annaparker6548 Don't know about Norway,but if your children goes the wrong way,you should punish him.
@@annaparker6548It doesn't only about hitting in Norway but also about religion. They take children away from Muslim parents and place them with Christian Norwegian families so the child will become a Christian Norwegian man or woman. This is really outrageous and pretty racist of Norway. Norway must be severely punished by the European Union and United Nations. So indeed people must not immigrate to Norway. A child was also taken away from an American mother in Norway because it weight 1 pound less then it should be. That the child weight 1 pound less could have had all sort of reasons. The child could have had a cold, flu or other sickness why it lost weight. You must now such an examination by the state is on 1 occasion over a span of months. Had it to do with the fact the mother was American? They always say Norway is a beautiful and rich country but it seems it have a very dark side.
@@eviken1982 No, i hear the same thing from my mothers friend. all these bad stories i think alot of them is heavily (dont know how to write the word) overreagert. some people dont tell the full story so they can look like the victim. and if it was the case it is wrong. but ive seen it so many times as u can see in this video. iknow one of the woman in the video. she is full of shit. she should never have gotten her children back. she is lazy and cant take critism. so she allies with others who cant see past their mistakes. Yes cultural differencr can br a big reason. i think norway should learn immigrants and people from new countries the law better and maybe see how that goes. beacuse there is so many other ways to make kidd behave then to hit them. my mother is half asian raised in a family. with a diff ethnicity so i think se learned to hit from there. and yes of course there is times when the Bv makes mistakes. and i think they need to make up for them. but they are not all bad. I hope this made sense prob not but i hope
@@annaparker6548 So you saw the video and this is your reaction? Well sleep on and have horrible dreams.
Corruption is everywhere. The private companys helping the goberment institution
What the hell is this "development" talked about in the first girl's case? What, she wasn't fucking enough?
I’m so surprised this is happening! No parental rights, And Norway was on my bucket list!
4:44 I'm one of those Children I was and am the youngest the drama did not end tho
@@chudrocks8485How is it now?
@@eviken1982 still drama but i think its ending as soon as we are all adults im 16 now 6 when it all started. the BV did a good job only complaint i have is i think they need to think morr about a 12 year old kids choice cuz he is not mature enougj to make good choices
3:42 Rip That dawg Always will be remembered
There is one huge flaw to this documentary, and that is not mentioning the controversy associated with Rune Fardal. There is a lot of really important issues being raised in this documentary, and as a Norwegian, I would like to thank BBC for doing it. Do we really have experts in my country, arguing that we cannot uphold the law, as our system will collapse? You know what, I refuse to accept that. Who is this guy anyway? Why do anyone believe, that they have the right, to undermine the rule of our law? They are suddenly above the law? Where did they get that idea?
this happens... because the state lawfully owns every child you register. Register=entering in to the list of state ownership. Regis=kings tally - ---reign
I disagree with this report. The links are too weak, and it is misleading, because of the way the narrative is structured
What you are dealing with is some Norwegian official who over the course of several years has downloaded child porn. We are not provided with this reason, or any details of the trial. Although the individual was convicted. While this is obviously very worrying, and most probably means he should not hold that role, does not necessarily justify the Newsnight implying more serious assumptions. And there is no direct causal link between his involvement in the judgements, and errors with an over-nannying Norwegian child protection system in general.
nessiebreath and I disagree with you.
Nessiebreath, you are wrong. I lived in Norway with my family.
I am so happy that my family and me aren't there anymore. I would rather bring my family to live in some 3rd world country, than to Norway.
The Number of stories like that women are incredibly High. Actually Norway Is known as "the country where children are Stolen" this is a commmon saying un the hispanic community...and It Is for a reason and this investigation shows It and proves it
The UK has no room to talk. Child protection here is a joke. Rochdale, Rotherham, Leeds, etc. come to mind.
meanwhile here in belfast child protection officers must be bored because they are terrorising everyone ove the smallest sfuff
why the BBC Newsnight coming with this now and about Norway?
Don't they have any like this in the UK, or is it just a smear campaign of the NORWEGIAN model
these cases are older than 3 years, Why NOW?
And one thing the BBC forget to talk about is the Alcohol problem in Norway
Society, government, social services they all react in two ways, they are either inadequate in the protection of children or they go way over the top and do horrendous damage to the innocent children and families often to cover their own butt and to tick a box, rarely have a seen good proportional and effective social services anywhere. A lot if the problem is the professionals don't have resources, the education and training is vague and ambiguous to ve effective in making decisions for the best outcome and a lot of media unbalanced scare mongering leaves professionals terrified they will get it wrong and become vilified by media and the public..
People are complaining about the BBC exposing this horrendous nonsense because of a perceived unwillingness on the part of the BBC to do the same in the UK (which definitely could be contested by a simple search here on CZcams). I think these folks are missing the point: it’s wrong whether similar cases occur in other societies or not. BBC never says it only happens in Norway; it never says such evils do not occur in the UK or elsewhere. It’s simply reporting on what’s happening in Norway.
How is that a problem? It’s difficult to take you seriously when you can’t grasp the most basic of concepts.
Clearly the one rotten apple, needs to be held accountable for his crimes.The system needs to review all the cases he participated in, moreover the vetting of employees needs to be taken to a superior level, where their homes, computers etc.. are closely checked before hiring and randomly and frequently checked during their service in the system.
The system is not perfect and can/should/will be improved for sure.
Norway doesn’t tend to get a lot of criticism online since they are the darlings of journalists around the world so it’s refreshing to see bad news come from that place for once.
I wonder what kind of sewer these so called experts live in,don t look too far the sewer is in their head along with all of the so called perfect society of scamdanieve people
shame on norway
BBC you have to put pressure, you have to help them have their voice. Please!!!
Seriously it's happening in Norway oh my God ... totally nonsense...
I meant to say they took away a child that was one pound I repeat one lb underweight this is how sick these Norway welfare departments are 400 offices welfare offices and only 5 million people live there something's wrong something's wrong somebody needs to do something
What is this???? OMG these poor people. How can they be subjected to this. This is not child protection but plane abuse…taking them from their parents for no valid reasons….what a nightmare.
no valid reason, these people do not tell the full atory
atory*
Story!
Norway are like Nor'korea
The One who had been intervied the so called former ombudsman, was a Politician in trainee! The safe answer, very general about the system, turns defensive, you can see on his body gesture, uneasiness, leans forward then backwards, then denial comes in, and then fake reaction, I am not convice about his passion/ or even duty to help kids or parents, and then the famous I didn’t know comment in short for No comment. Very alarming and very frightful.
Thank you for bringing this horrible story to the public. More people need to know these malpractices done by the child wellfare service called “Barnevern” in Norway. The story in the film “Mrs. Chaterjee vs Norway” is a true story. She is not the only immigrants who have had terrible experiences from “Barnevern” in Norway. Many children have been taken from their parents for no logical reason.
Why United Nations keeps shutdown on this?
Maybe Norway will be better if form a part of Germany or UK
They saying for the good of the children making their parents incompetent from parenting, because they MAKING MONEY for selling/adoption of this kids to potential adopter.
Thats false they put you in fostercare not adoption, the fostercare is a home with a familly
@ChikaTime
@@chudrocks8485 so with the new family in some cases comes the new abuse.
@@fernandovillanueva2429 Not at all, i cant say all foster families are good just cause my experience, but its even more wrong saying they are all bad, they are people who are willingly helping kids who need a home
@@chudrocks8485 But you can't deny that there are wicked minds in some foster homes.
Illogical! How can a child live better in foster care than with own biological parents?
Norway: a wolf in a sheep's clothing
I find it extremely funny and strange that you guys in the BBC actually trust the words of and use Rune Fardal in this documentary without checking his background and credencials. He is NOT an expert on anything even though he claims to be a psychology-expert. He is a former floating dock-salesman who went through a messy divorce and read some books about narcisissm to use in his court-battle with his ex-wife. He now thinks he's an expert on psychology even though he has no degree from any university at all. He is also a conspiracy-theorist who thinks 9-11 was an inside job, that the massacre at Utøya in Norway was staged by the government and basically everything in society is a conspiracy against the people. Anyone disagreeing with him he will "diagnose" as a narcisisst, since that is his favourite word! He is also convicted of cyberbullying, amongst others people working for Barnevernet in Norway.
His partner in this fight against Barnevernet is Marius Reikerås, another nutjob ex-lawyer who lost his license to practice law when he was convicted of fraud against his elderly client and some other stuff that I don't remember at the moment.
These two nobodies are the ones who has started the crusade against Barnevernet in Norway because Fardal lost custody to his own children in court with the help of Barnevernet.
Next time, do some background research!!!
Things like this should be the first you guys check out before introducing someone as trustworthy on TV!
WTF Norway
First built family ,Love kids. Fear in the LORD is the beginning of the knowledge.✍🏻🇦🇪🇮🇱
A western European country is involved.....where are all the comments blaming immigrants...must be an off day
EXperts at what?
Ì will not allow a midwife into my home
NFF UK well, midwives also help guide people who want to have their babies at home (and then leave a little after if everything's okay), so a midwife in that sense is totally fine
No wonder Varg left Norway for good.
Surely they wouldn't take them away for no reason, there must have been something more. How can an expert determine emotional neglect? It must have been a long running saga. Strange it seems some facts are omitted
heekimsang Yep. Taking kids away from parents is a radical reaction meant to only be used in bad cases of child abuse, which has a set definition of being either physical harm or failing to care for the childs needs (food, clothes, safe enviorment etc.)
In one case, it was because the child was 1lb underweight! He was passed from foster family to foster family, and his name was changed least true. This case alone shows that neither the Norwegian agency nor the Norwegian State has the best interests of children at heart.
This really makes sense if they are there watch if the kid is being care of, and the mother only gives low nutrition food, and for sure they had observed much more, wasn’t just that. She shouldn’t be in the defensive, but admits that did wrong. And do better!
This other wrong too, in Norway they don’t admit you hit your child. Oh she’s so innocent that didn’t know the laws.
This is evil in action..The devil himself
They tried giving me my ex husband's unborn child. I didn't know what to do if I said no the child wasn't born or mine and shipped to the states I know I would have protected the child but didn't want anything to do with my Ex but I said no! Omg it's just awful what's happening in Norway it's awful. Yet my ex can't stand children and he was deported for assaulting me and my child and he got away with it with his newest ex and child and now has another child whose disability is serious and I have been told when he's left alone with him he smacks him around. He's been reported and they didn't do anything
Yet they take the good children from good parents. This is awful all parents fear this agency 😢. It's awful absolutely 💯 awful. Strengthen no way it's worsen
2 years ..... 20 minumum
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If she admits and ask for help the system will help her, but not admit your own fails don’t help.
Maybe she didn't need any help.
After one case when a child was taken away from a mother from Czech Republic, even the Czech President mercilessly attacked this state-sponsored kidnapping comparing it to "Lebensborn"
Shame on Norway child welfare... Be a human first.
Demons,Satanists
Pedos are traditionally installed in Europe And technically historically so is inbreeding, we see what’s going on Europe 👀
Also this people during the interview didn’t get shocked that the mother hit the kid aham 🤔
wich case are you refrerinf to?
Thank you BBC for showing the reality and the crime they doing.
this is an unbelievable futuristic program. we need this in the US
I take it that the woman in the beginning didn't have a husband? was a father in the child's life? i mean HELLO!!!!
Why does the BBC think Norway's child protection systerm is 'controversial'? Please elaborate
Thomas Watvedt because the system is craving for weak families to take their children away. The state input lots of money in the system, it"s all about money, very sad. There are companies that give consultancy and support to the kids, these companies take lots of money from the system, commission on return. Families that adopt get 70000 euro from the system. Even if they don.t want to adopt, they like the money. It"s all about the money, sick system. Personally i would never choose this country, especially if someone wants or have kids.
They can take your children without burden of proof. There have been cases of children being “reassigned” due to grandparents being delinquent on a loan before the parents of the children in question were even born.
Something called due process, which is utterly broken here. If you did not get the point, you need to read about basic principles of legal philosophy. Sadly, claiming that the system is so broken, that it cannot uphold the law, well, care to explain why you accept that, and are not shocked?
Derrek Jones
From Oslo Norway, yes. As a society, Norway is insanely conformative, even more than Japan. This results in too low a level of government checking. As for the claim that we are doing something _"nonsensically wrong"_ , what do you refer to? You need to understand that the cases covered in this story, are hardly covered at all. Sure, they might be covered correctly, and no, there is no real coverage to base any such statement on, for each of these cases. With the one exception of claiming Herman of being overly biased: That sounds highly unlikely. But, as should be clearly understood by know, I am flat out embarrassed of Norwegians and their understanding of the need for due process.
Then there is this insane dude at the end, claiming that since people consuming child pornography is not documented to wide scale abuse of their own children, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Just a positivist without proper understanding, of which he is not confronted at all. (in the full version)
Rune Fardal is also a highly controversial character. That is not even given in this piece. Some of his publications seem to lack any genuine compassion or empathy. Some of the claims he has presented over the years, include defending wildly a case, in which a father ends up with the horrific accusations from his kids, but without any trace, what so ever, that he is affected by the situation of his kids. It was just about the dad, and how "horribly" he was treated. He also claimed to be a psychologist for years, with absolutely no diploma. The list is long. He can still make valid points form time to time. Some of his work of late, is really not that bad at all, but still tend to fairly one sided.
This documentary is very weak on details. You seem to claim knowledge, of things you simply do not know at all. You simply assume, and even your assumptions, are poorly based on any reality. That being said, the use of psychiatrists as defacto judges in these cases, is highly contested in Norway. The principle of need of stimulation, well I am skeptical of that as well, particularly as this is put in the hands of a profession, that put very little emphasis, if any, on love. There is also a tendency to not understand the limits of the knowledge they use, and sometimes, the usage appears done in malice. Say for this documentary, they conclude way beyond any observation could ever support, about the moms cooking. Obviously stating something as a fact, and not disclosing the insanely weak bases for this, in real life. That is, if the moms account of the story, is true.
I did watch one of Rune Fardal latest videos CZcams today. At first it seemed OK, but after listening a bit closer, anyone in their right mind, would realize that he is even more dangerous than he used to be. He simply should not be given a podium.
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Goyotero1000 no shit it’s the bbc
What a Disgrace that guy who said I dint know should also be jailed too very long time
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看來這個國家也不怎樣
It’s really easy to criticize an organization which is unable to give their side of the story due to confidiality. In my opinion there are more cases were children weren’t taken away soon enough, than cases where children were taken away unnecessarily. The bar is extremely high when it comes to removing children from parents. Taking testemonies from parents at face value, without any insight in the reasoning in their cases is just tabloid/bad journalism. Sure, some «grey area» cases exist, but the fact is that we take our children very seriously. Having children is not a human right and more people should consider if they should really procreate.
EINHERJAR you are wrong! They can take your child for the smallest reason! The problem is that they take away children that did not need 2 be taken away, and they dont do shitt with the ones that need 2 be taken away
Educate me then..?
One woman got a refugee status in Poland over Barnevernet
Agreed. That one Filipino bitch admitted to spanking her children and is playing the victim card!
what if that expert used the pornography for his work as a research material?
maybe according to the law the mere fact of storing child pornography is a crime but logically thinking it can be kept for a variety of uses, not just for personal pleasure and sexual gratification or sharing further
so without knowing the actual degree of criminal culpability of that expert, notwithstanding the conviction (which could be a miscarriage), the whole story doesn't have much rhyme or reason
BayanTheOne 4 hours of film and 200 000 pictures of abuse collected over many years.. yeah for research....
i don't know what for, if you do, then great
He Said in court that he used them to "relax" after work. How do you get relaxed from watching child abuse?
OK, then it wasn't for professional purposes
you gotta be fucking kidding me
They took a United States getaway for only being 1 lb underweight 1 lb somebody needs to do this something
Stuff like this will sadly happen from time to time.. its how you react as a society there is vital... you need to make it transparent and honest even if it hurts.. but sadly many of these welfare states in Scandinavia where the state is the head boss an there are so many interests down the chain.. they all pamper each other.. its not like it's corrupt as its not like its dirty black money there are being handed around it just so tangled of interests.. I come from Denmark often classified as the worlds least corrupt nation and been it for many decades..but here we also see this almost fact-resistant nature in some parts of the systems. and it's like this system have an agreement with a very leftist media power, there simply don't inform or simply turn a blank eye when it comes to some factors.
In some cases its so insane creepy that you wouldn't believe it. not least facts about immigration or even religious aspects.. here a good part of the media is simply immune and you can often feel some media chiefs in power there have a personal political agenda in what they wanna deliver to the public and that's a huge problem for a democracy when people with vital media-power dissect the daily facts to fit an own political agenda.
Shocking to see how little rights parents have' when it comes to the system and this child-pornography expert still carries more weight.
and shocking that the system destroys families on close to no reason and I'm gobsmacked that while doing this the system don't removes this child pornography dudes own 2 adopted children. (no we don't wanna remove these two adopted children from this convicted child pornography dude, they are in a safe home and it doesn't matter if the dudes in the last 20 years have been doing child pornography in insane amounts. wicked and mindblowing psynic standard from a modern system, particularly when you have in mind the lacking reason they have removed these parents kids on in the video above.
Was Rotherham England's Silent Scandal ?
The inability to find justice is very similar.
Is it related to welfare state effect where the government takes over parental responsibility?
Is it related to the willingness of Norwegians to have irrational, unquestioning faith in bureaucracy?
Since when has the U.K. been official guardian of the world's morals? I'm sure Norway can sort out its own problems! Or is it just more voyeurism, beloved of the British public?
... Screw that, I'd love to get taken away as a kid. A lot of households are secretly abusive, and "normal" parents can be terribly emotionally neglectful.
Rejecting offers of social help is like a big red flag.
In foster care you get raped and emotionally neglected. Foster homes usually have tons of children. All they do is feed you and clothe you. They wouldn't care about your sensibilities. 🙄
@@mwinchester66 ... I have a feeling you're talking about a specific other country.
One- in some countries, partially in the one I feel you may be implying, many issues stem from the fact biological parents are given tremendous rights to children, as if they _own_ them, and even if the child is doing far better in foster care they often get returned to their not ready and still abusive parents.
Two- in some countries, again in the one I feel may be implied, the system is underfunded. Case workers do not get paid nearly enough, and there is too few of them to handle the multitude of situations.
Three- in some countries it just doesn't exist or doesn't work at all.
@@Olivia-W Well, in this case it was Norway that was talked about. Where the resources are abused to destroy families. Yet you come with your plight here. 🙄🙄🙄
@@mwinchester66 lol fosterhomes are usally just normal families willingly wanna help you, if you had bad experiences im sorry for you, but you cant come out here and tell all of them are bad.
Are you a fucking lunatic? You do realize that this “social help” often involves abusing kids far worse than what the state claims the parents are doing? Norway needs to be overthrown.
6:20 This guy doesn't care
He is probably part of it. Faking he doesn't know.
@@belindaorozco620 7:36 Rip that dog, rumors have it that dog waited for all the children to come home and when the last 2 did it finnaly got to rest knowing all went well
Oh but Norway is a Utopia. Every one wants to live there. They forgive all the rapes perpetrated by all the asylum seekers, that's how heavenly it is.
A Godless society does Godless things.
Fabrizio this is what muslims accuse other societies with and look how they are doing with God
The Muslim religion allows for child rape, as exemplified by their pedo prophet. That's a difference.
Fabrizio what about all the thousands of priests who molested tens of thousands of children worldwide?
Oh please!!!! We have seen how “ God respecting” societies deal with women and children!! Massive abuse, violence, beating, rape and death that will never come up to surface due to strict religious laws basically reaping off every right for a woman or a child to protect themselves or be protected!!
Great parts of Asia Africa, Arabic peninsula, Latin America....
Unlike the Francoist Spain where nuns stole babies from mothers?