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to quote electricwindgirlfriend. "this pokemon was made by a 12-year old"
electric wind girlfriend mentioned
Damm, that's a smart 12 year old
Electric wind god fist
Electricwindgirlfriend refrence? I love dracovish
@@lordsalty2060 boingus
Honestly the craziest thing about Flutter Mane is that we're supposed to believe that something caused it to go extinct
Most likely it was due to environmental changes, either temperature or similar things.
With that much power it probably overhunted its food source and starved lmao
It ate everything and then starved
yap@@LiliumOrientalis
@@ALittleMessithank you Mr fish
Flutter Mane is the ultimate sixth pokemon.
You're already set on five team members and don't know how to finish? Just stick a Flutter Mane Choice Specs in there.
incineroar can be this as well
this is exactly what i do. if i cant fit a pokemon into the slot, that doesnt matter. flutter mane will fit regardless because its a ghost and can phase itself into the slot
Kingambit in OU singles be like
@@mayonnaise6602
Or AV Raging Bolt.
@@Endershock1678I'm looking into stealing ProgatogVGC's trickroom + Lillikoal team and I dislike Raging Bolt's aesthetics. I was going to plop a Flutter Mane in there instead and call it a day.
All three are literally sprinkles at this point. Even to the point of slapping all three on a team then picking whatever physical pokemon you want to run seems viable.
Gen 9 is simultaneously a very diverse generation and the most centralized. Power creep is whack.
Flutter mane is basically mega gengar by itself
Mega Gengar with free item slot
At least you can (at least theoretically) switch out 😭
@@tpfoxCastro literally 😭😭
@@PoisonFlower765and in turn it has no switch-ins…
@@PoisonFlower765you switch out and you either just die or get 2HKO'd anyway 😭
I will always find it really funny how the designer of Flutter Mane has Misdreavus as his favorite Pokemon.
He really went "Yeah I'm gonna make a fakemon version of my favorite pokemon, and give it busted stats and a busted typing. Except it's in the game now. Have fun."
The designer at game freak probably doesn't decide what stats, abilities & moves a pokemon gets
Then who the hect does?!?!?@@maganhassan2627
He's real for that
@@maganhassan2627 but it clearly has that clear 'fakemon stat distribution'
Since Mismagius is my favorite, unfortunately I also have a bias and like Flutter Mane
"Those are supposed to be its Achilles heel but apparently Achilles is wearing Jordans now" is such a hard line.
The problem with flutter mane? It’s mere existence
Facts. No need for further explanation.
Yup I mean it is a paradox so let’s make it have the most BROKEN stats and a super good typing!!! :D
they should have left it extinct, why bring it back
@@viniciussousa9791 Blame Sada. Woman certainly didnt saw jurassic park
@@mysticpumpkin8520ok but we got great neck like come on
The problem with Flutter Mane?
None, it is the perfect life-form.
*scizor used bullet punch!*
Mewtwo WISHES he could reach Flutter Mane's perfection
None and that’s the problem.
@@ogmechsftwFluttermane's teammate is Farigiraf.
It's not even alive tho smh
If Iron Hand's ability is "Win", this thing's ability is "Win _Harder."_
Flutter mane is sick because gamefreak put up the question “What if we combined the coughing baby and hydrogen bomb?”
Basically they gave the coughing baby infinite hydrogen bombs
I think they thought "what if we made a better typed non legendary calyrex shadow rider"
Flutter Mane’s stats makes it feel like a Gen 1 Pokemon in the modern games…
It’s gen One Alkazam except infinitely better
@@bettyunicorn6132it is literally Alakazam, but with an extra 70 stat points and better typing.
I mean... its basically just Misdreavus's stats just upped to 11 basically so... close. Gen 2 pokemon.
@@Articfoxgamez yea the thing with gen 2 mons are decisions like "this thing will have the most barren movepool you've ever seen with not a single stat above 100"
@@luissilva1954 How about an early route bug/flying type with a stat spread of 55/35/50/55/110/85 that learns no moves of its type in its debut generation not that it'd matter as 35 attack ain't going to help. In future games it eventually gets iron fist as a HA boosting punching attacks coming off that massive 35 attack by 20%
The funniest thing about Flutter Mane is that all they did with its stats is give it the same incredibly lopsided distribution Misdreavus and Mismagius already had.
Also it's basically straight-up what a hypothetical Mega Mismagius would have been in Gen VI, so there's that.
It doesn’t have the same distribution, it’s actually much more lopsided. It has less HP, Def, and ATK than Misdreavus
They literally made buffed Mismagius just like how they made Great Tusk buffed Donphan
"Hoppip isn't coming back bro, he's gone" I died
So is Hoppip
@@HazeEmryLearn English. Thanks
@@Clooger- oh sorry,
So did Hoppip.
Did that satisfy you master?
Tbh describing Flutter Mane as "Achilles with Jordans" is so funny for me for a list of reason I cant describe (But since Achilles is one of my favorite characters ever, you get an idea). Also I want to use Flutter Mane now. I dont use it as much as I could, and since she is so effective......sorry😅
Our only salvation now is elec-terrain boosted Iron Bundle, who just happens to be 136 base speed.....oddly enough. Hope that Icy wind doesnt fails
I use it in ubers single with koraidon Sun, it can nuke stuff with choice specs.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 I can only imagine....also funny that Flutter beneficts from Koraidon but she can also send the bike to a recycle plant just with dazzling gleam😅
@@mysticpumpkin8520 Yeah, assuming it hasn't tera fire flare blitz your ass into the shadow realm.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 and now you get open to Iron Bundle to nuke you, who just happens to be the ONLY pokemon that can outspeed flutter (by 1 point no less). Considering sun and E-terrain dont obstruct each other, I can see both being a good duo with Miraidon
@@mysticpumpkin8520 Yeah but that's kinda redundant with all the special attackers.
The fairy type needs a new weakness and other type that can resist it the ghost type needs another type that can resist it.
Making Bug and Psychic Types resist Fairy could work. Both making a decent amount of sense with both Bugs and Fairy being in tandem with nature (also would be interesting for another duo of types that resist each other like Bug and Fightin) and Psychic using logic and reason to explain the mystical/magical abilities of the Fairy Type; along with buffing two of the more underpowered Types currently in the series.
Making steel resist ghost again would help but for the fairy resist making bug resist it wouldn’t do much since there aren’t a tone of super good bug types
I was thinking maybe grass could be a good resist to fairy. With so much media of fairies being seen helping and enhancing nature, It would make sense that they wouldn't want to hurt it, thus grass resisting it.
It should probably be bug or fire
Fire already resists fairy and I could see grass working would be a nice little buff to it as a bonus
I’m convinced that Arven’s mabostiff was literally just hit with a choice specs sun boosted tera fairy helping hand flutter mane moonblast
Xerneas was also like right next to the flutter mane
What happened in Violet then?
@@deadlydingus1138 second Miraidon sounds about right or an iron bundle managed to hit with Icy wind.
@@deadlydingus1138 Choice band E-terrain boosted Tera fighting Helping Hand Iron Hands Drain Punch from a mile away
@@deadlydingus1138 when Iron Valiant saw it, it launched Moonblast towards it, then just punched it with Close Combat
Man, flutter mane is one weird looking dog
Idk why but it keeps barking 252 SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Incineroar: 198-234 (98 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
It got the dawg in it
5:41 perish song isn't a ghost move. MINOR EDITING ERROR, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID
Aside from its mere existence, Moonblast needs a nerf. A 95 BP and 100% acc shouldn't have a high chance to cripple an enemy stat with ZERO drawbacks
Especially when you consider the physical counterpart, Play Rough, is weaker than Moonblast and can miss among other issues
we need another type to resist ghost. i vote steel
(this post was not made by gholdengo)
I advocate for bug to resist fairy. Maybe be super effective against it
Gholdengo Investments has their hands in everything. This guy must have been paid by the past paradox form of Gholdengo "Old Money"
@@ThisAintGood. but for that to not be pverpowered we should nerf u-turn to 60 base power (this post was not made by scizor)
@@ThisAintGood. I'd say psychic. Would also fit thematically (as you grow older and smarter you stop believing in fairytales) and psychic can really use the buff.
Steel is strong enough
I think the funniest part of Flutter Mane is that it’s supposed to be a counterpart to Iron Jugulis.
I’m sure many of you reading this have completely forgotten Jugulis even exists
Wait? They are? No, seriously, they're counterparts? How?
@@Gold_Gamer_100Down in area zero, you fight a bunch of paradox mons at the entrance of zero lab. Their "boss" is Flutter Mane in scarlet and Iron Jugulis in violet
A recent raid event had Flutter spawning for Scarlet players and Jugulis spawning for Violet players
I have the exact opposite, I like Jugulis and am trying to forget Mane exists
you mean iron mugulid?
Kartana worked because it was a glass cannon with actual counter play. Flutter Mane is just a straight up fast cannon at this point, it can be bulky while still being able to out speed everything on the field and destroy everything
Fairy type + fake out immunity + redonkulus special attack and speed + solid special bulk = oh LAWD he comin
The fact that a Pokemon based on a pre evo is one the strongest pokemon in the game is very funny
The thing that irks me the most about Flutter is that its Hp, Attack & Defense are lower than Misdreavus’s, like that’s how you know they were getting a bit too silly when designing it
Minmax to the max !
@@dse763sometimes I wonder if minmax mons like Pheramosa and Flutter Mane were the best ideas...
I'm not joking. Playing Heatran against Flutter Mane and Chi-Yu makes me miss the time where steel resist ghost and dark types...
I think flutter mane would be ok if it lost moonblast. The amount of single target damage with no immunities shouldn't be allowed with so little investment.
Also icy wind but i like using that one more
I agree that would be an interesting nerf. Probably staying away from singles still unless it gets a stat redistribution but in VGC it becomes FAR more manageable.
I used my mono dragon team from Gen 4 in the most recent online global challenge. (Altaria, Garchomp, Flygon, Kingdra, Latios and Latias)
Icy wind and Dazzling gleam were annoying, but ultimately seemed fair as it was spread damage that wouldn't knock out any of my team unless it was a crit.
Moonblast seems a little too much for Flutter to have. Especially with it being able to be one of the fastest pokemon on the field.
Speed lowering, a fair tactic to use.
Spread damage taking advantage of my weaknesses.
Single target damage that i can, at best, make neutral and still sometimes faint due to its power + STAB, a little unfair.
Stil was never the worst thing i went up against. That honour goes to a Smeargle that knew spore and baneful bunker with the ability moody on the field with an alolan Grimer with the power of alchemy ability that knew minimize and acid armour, especially as there wasnt a sleep clause. Guess what mistake i made.
I could agree with Moonblast being gone, I think that move in general is too overturned. I like Flutter Mane in general, and don’t find it too bad to play against, but I need to play very cautiously if I see a specs set with Moonblast
@@DJTileTurnip if flutter mane were to get a stat reduction they would have to reduce every single paradox. Pokémon that isn’t iron, valiant, roaring moon, and the ones who are based on legendary’s.
@@bird6528They could just dump a bunch of stats into Attack and reduce others though
5:41 Perish song casually being ghost type
7:06 "we're looking too far into the future" babe that's in like a month 😭
Next one should be Raiging Bolt. Holy f*cking sh*t that thing is broken
Genuinely, that thing deals so much damage, and feels impossible to OHKO, and is absolutely irritating to deal with when it just snarls and e webs
I've never had a problem with it but my team does have a follow me Electabuz and e-speed Entei that makes its priority move cancel itself out in failure and a H-Goodra that tanks anything it has while mostly one shoting it with DracoMeteor. I also had a Trick Room set with my regular Ursaluna in my previous team. Water Urshifu is the worst thing I see. Unblockable, multi hit, STAB move, STAB close combat, on a decent bulk with great speed and a huge attack stat is the definition of OP.
one of the most underrated things about Flutter Mane is its access to Trick Room, which pairs insanely well with Torkoal for sun combos. sure, its a fast mon, but upon seeing that in a teamsheet you're forced to guess between Flutter Mane instantly ending one of your pokemons lives, and it setting up Trick Room so tera fire Torkoal can do all of that for it, then switch it out so it can clean up what remains after Trick Room ends
A video covering the three treasures of ruin could also be cool. All three
They’re my favorite legendary trio
It's weird they forgot to add one that drops attack, guess Intimidate covers it enough
Angry Wo Chien noises.
How could you forget the fourth one
The one that lowers your attack?
Incineroar
Imagine living in prehistoric times. Flutter Mane on land, Megalodon in the oceans. I know where I'd rather be.
We’re lucky flutter mane didin’t get the roaring moon treatment and had 590 bst
does the BST even matter when flutter mane can kill roaring moon
I was literally just thinking about how much I wanted to watch a new Moxie Boosted video, thank you for immediately giving me what I wanted
bro I imagined Flutter Mane with access to Geomancy 💀
go away :
Perish (song)
I was having a real bad day till now, and this is exactly what I needed today. Thanks for the laugh, man!
We all have tough ones sometimes. I'm glad to help out with yours.
@@MoxieBoosted we know why yveltal and its fairy counterpart were absent it's cause they're will be part of pokemon legends za
ok but now misdreavus is actually good
Misdreavus and Mismagius are still cack, this thing is a merely an unnatural perversion
Now imagine if flutter mane evolved into a past mismagius like its present counter part.
Then we be in some shit
can we next talk about slither wing and why it is the most friend shaped paradox mon ever?
after the negativity of flutter mane, we now need a positive example
Slither Wing plush when? (I have been waiting for over a year)
Moxie hates Flutter Mane so much they made an entire 8 minute video explaining why they hate it so much piece by piece. I love it
Fluttermane and Goldengo are big reasons why I think Pursuit needs to be added back to the game, just not to Kinggambit.
What dark type you think isnt switching out immediately after catching a whiff of that thing
It won’t change much, very few dark types want to eat Mystic fire/Thunderbolt/Moon blast/shadowball or Make it rain/shadow ball/Focus blast respectively.
You need fucking Kingambit typing and super bulk to even stand a chance at switching in, meanwhile mons like Tyrannitar or weavile get absolutely demolished on switch in.
You think FLUTTER MANE is afraid of Pursuit?
Flutter ain't the one who needs to switch out my man
As someone who loves Misdreavus, this is straight up funny to me
I don't know how anyone could enjoy VGC or Singles anymore. The power creep has completely ruined playing battles in any format for me 😭
Don't play OU. The lower tiers like UU are way better now.
This is why we need Megas back to balance this ish
The edition in the video is so entertainment and cool!!!
Great editor and video from Moxie
"What if Gengar, but like way way stronger in every way?"
I have a fun idea that probably will create more problems but at least will deal with Flutter Mane:
Legalize mythicals to use deoxys and deal with it. ☠️
I’m pretty sure Speed Booster flutter mane outspeeds Deoxys S.
Comfortably lol, level 50 252 Timid Deo-S hits 255 speed, Timid 252 FM w/Booster Energy hits 307. Even Modest outspeeds but then you have to use lower spattk
@@itztaytay2You know your game isn't balanced in the slightest when the 2nd fastest mon gets outspeed by a mon with 45 less base speed.
@@dse763 by 52 points
The person in charge of balancing must have been on crack when making flutter mane
Can i just point out, xerndon was already an insane core, and now it has the literal best mon they could EVER want
so yeah, this thing its Mega Mismaggius with the doppest and snorked crack line stats ever made
Flutter mane is like letting a kid drive a car you know it’s going to end badly.
Misdreavus is in my top 10 favorite Pokemon. Seeing Flutter Mane for the first time was already cool enough, and then they made it overpowered on top of that and I love it!
'Hoppip isn't coming back bro, he's gone' Nooooooo not Hoppip, he was best man at my wedding :(
Whoever edited this video and chose all these Follin brothers tracks (Pictionary title screen, Plok beach) is so based
Bro you on fire this episode! 😂😂😂
“Flurry of ghost, and mortal’s bane! Malevolent Fairy, strikes with Fluttering Mane!”
The editing at the prefixes part has me hollering LOL
Misdreavus has been my favorite Ghost since Gen 2, so I'm fine with it being busted.
Hear me out… Scarf flutter mane on a sun team with electro ball
Dude I was literally thinking about you uploading,and you came through!
Love this content big guy 👍
The problem is more so the meta game. The VGC meta game leans towards the physical side a lot, so having something as strong as Fluttermane just means the slot for SpA mons on your teams gets cannibalized.
It’s also that Flutter Mane is a necessity on some teams. The most popular core right now is the Fire Water Grass balance core, and that core gets ruined by dragon types like Regidrago and Raging Bolt.
As such, you need a Pokémon that can both reliably switch in and threaten those dragons, and because the tapus aren’t in the game, the only real option is either some off meta pick like Sylveon, or the reliable Flutter Mane.
Violet owners must be feeling real stupid rn
How I have violet yet I have all shiny past paradox mons😂
Jokes on you. I don’t play competitive.
They are cute
i've been saying, prothosynthesis speed boost should've been 30% like the other stats
You know the video is good when it has Tim Follin's Pictionary theme in the intro
"Hoppip isn't coming back bro, he's gone"😂
"Oddish isn't coming back bro" 💀💀 had me cackling
I love these type of video where you explain why is a Pokémon broken. I think you should definitely do another one
I hate how bafflingly broken they made this thing. I just wanted a ghost fairy misdrevous with levitate and decent but regular stats, instead they gave every paradox mon the same ability and gave it legendary stats. God I hate the game design team.
You and me alike, really.
@@Abigdummy4life Never thought I'd find another.
Love watching these videos even if I don’t understand half the stuff you ever say!!
Technician scizor is pissed off kicking rocks over by the bench
Casual plok soundtrack in the background 👌🏽
Revisit after 50 wins? Sir, we don't need a second Flutter Mane vid this year LMAO!
As someone who has Misdreavus as one of their top favorites of all time and whose favorite types are ghost followed by fairy, I see Flutter Mane as a 10/10 Pokémon in every metric imaginable.
So basically long story short, let’s pull a zacian crowned again
Zacian if it wasn't a restricted legendary
Look at that smug grin it has. It knows how powerful it is.
"hoppip isn't coming back bro, he's gone." unexpected, lost it
Bruh the Achilles wearing Jordans edit was hilarious
wait you showing it's stats side by side to Xerneas was literally like a slap/wake up call
it's *immediately faster and stronger then the historically nuclear Xerneas that has been a top dog in Ubers and VGC since it's inception*
What in the sam hell was Game Freak cooking when they designed Flutter Mane???
It's obviously made by a 12 year old.
I was not expecting the NBA analogies in a competitive pokemon video. Seeing those two together is surreal
2:24
That's 21 events in ONE YEAR.
Love this content, and wow i underestimated flutter a whole lot
The C64 Bionic Commando level 1 music really slaps. How do you chose your background music?
Wait is that Plok?
You forgot about the fact it can imprison and trick room so it can even be played backward to totally flip the game on it's head because it clearly didn't have enough options lol
Stopping all the 5 year olds from saying first
First
First
I have started madness haven’t I?
First 🤓
Didn't work... Good try tho m8
Its basically a Mega Mismagius with none of the restrictions Mega Pokemon generally have.
The revenge of Misdreavus
It just had to get an ancient form to be absolutely broken
Flutter mane is my flutter bane of existence when playing showdown 😔
Great video! I was really hoping the DLC was going to bring back “scrappy” fake out kangaskhan! Hahahah
“Utility belt like Batman’s”
Imagine commuting a crime and you see Batman walking up to you with a focus sash belt, choice specs, pixie plate, and a flask of booster energy and he’s just, *ready to prefix you*
I hope that they start buffing older pokemon, I’d love to see some old favs get better in vgc
Won't matter if they keep unleashing demons like this. Mega-Beedrill min maxed Beedrill completely and it still got bodied by good megas. Even if they give something disgusting to Stunfisk or some other booty tier Mon, they're gonna power creep it that same gen.
I still think things like swampert need buffs (I would say porygon z needs a buff but he’s actually pretty good)
@@Thelaserman20 I agree that something is always better than nothing. I just can't imagine GameFreak handling it well lol. Time will tell I suppose. Maybe mega Swampert will be back after Legends Z-A
only real moxie fans saw this yesterday at buffalo wild wings
Mystical Fire for Steels
Psyshock for Poison types (and Special Walls)
Power Gem for Fire types
Energy Ball and Thunderbolt for bulky Water types
Icy Wind for Speed control
And that’s without considering Taunt, Trick Room, Perish Song, Calm Mind, Substitute, Thunder Wave, or Sunny Day.
Aside from Physical bulk, the main thing holding it back is four moveslot syndrome. The most common set is Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Shadow Ball, and Protect - running none of the coverage or support options I listed.
Gen8-9 doesn't just show low quality in their engine, framerate and graphics.
The last few games had these terribly broken pokemon and VGC lacking any proper competitive rulesets and tiers speaks volumes of how incompetent Nintendo-GameFreak are at managing and developing this frenchise.
Great video! I'm surprised you didn't mention it has trick room
Maybe they'll redirect some points from those 135 stats to make the others 65 instead of 55 to make it's stat spread less extreme and force players to have to invest in it's spettack and speed instead of bulk? Unlikely as hell but they can't outright lower it's total due to every Paradox having either 570 or 590.
Love these vids
What if flutter mane was called freaky mane
I used it at first because I liked the design. Then I realized how powerful it truly is.