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Ive just been informed that the yipee little dude is a character associated with the autistic community. Didnt mean to offend anyone, I'm actually autistic as well. I thought it was just the cute yippee guy.
For real? Also nice pic for the new channel. You are missing your Donductor hat and at least a little Tatsugiri on your shoulder. Get with it, Marcos. 😂
@PKshockwave ye, I don't talk about it much cause it's actually something I only learned this year. Explains alot about my life growing up though. Always nice to get some kind of answer to why I didn't feel like I fit in at times and was REAAAAAALLY into pokemon.
yipee creature is my spirit animal
being completely serious, I (the editor) am also autistic btw
As an autistic person myself, I had zero clue about that association. Your not on my radar, I promise
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that both Urshifu forms have the same sprite in team preview
True it’s a nightmare
Yeah, that's so evil.
This shit right here keeps me up at night
Regional variants show up, why not Ursh variants??
My favourite Pokemon is shedinja. And I like immunities, gimmick and ghost types.
And in every gen I use the grass starters because green in good.
I hate Smeargle competitively because it got Dark Void gutted. Not letting Smeargle use it was enough, there was no reason to also lower its accuracy for Darkrai.
They really need to unerf it and probably make a list of "unsketchable" moves so we won't have the same problem in the future
Same
@@tsukainova1928it alr is unsketchable
I hope it stays that way because people are upset about the nerf
There is a list, includes moved that are mechanically unsketchable like Assist as well as things specifically coded that way like Hyperspace Fury.
If only Gamefreak thought the same way they did with regidrago as they did with Zamazenta. Regidrago gets to keep its crazy ability and gets buffed with actual coverage, Zamazenta is punished even harder than Zacian for the sins of only one dog.
nahnah, it actually got stab body press in gen 9!
@@Mut-antAlthough this channel is focused on VGC, in Smogon singles Zamazenta actually dropped to the standard OU tier instead of being on the Ubers ban list. Granted the Crowned form did eventually get banned again, but any form of a mascot legendary not being banned is insane.
Also even with Body Press Zamazenta still won’t be good in VGC.
@@gebis8515I think gaining body press is worth losing some defence. If it didn't get nerfed but no body press its still gonna remain OU. No one uses zama in Ubers anyway so why are people complaining 😅.
@@gebis8515 yeah about that
@@gebis8515zamazenta is actually shaping up to be super good this format
"there aren't a lot of VGC video essayist out there" I is so right and we need more I want to sit here and hear about VGC for 2 hours
right? it feels like there's so much i'm left out on. everyone talks about smogon formats.
wolfey got a channel
@@ignacioperez5479 you right
If you think about it, the most hated Pokemon is likely a Pokemon that has _yet_ to exist 🙂
If it doesn't exist yet, then it can not be hated.
no it's Lando T
From my Time Machine… yall aren’t ready for the havoc Rolobaro will have on the meta
Wait til you see Krunglo
@@officersoulknight6321what about kengrildin?, with the ability ground sparker that lets its eltric stabs hit ground types and set eletric terrain
The worst part about Unseen Fist in my opinion is the pins it can create alongside Fake Out, which oftentimes are just auto-KO's on anything lacking either Covert Cloak or Ghost-typing.
Other than ability, the moves are also insane. Always critting means you ignore defence boosts can't be slowed down by intimidate, the multi hit nature of Surging Strikes means Focus Sash does nothing to it, and it also has stab Close Combat to pesky steel types.
@@Endershock1678 Oh, I agree that all of that is a bunch of BS. ! The interaction of Unseen Fist with Fake Out is simply the most egregious of the BS to me, in a sea of jello-brained BS.
Also, I think that nerfing Unseen Fist to only work once per switch in, or even just allowing Protect to block Urshifu's Critical-hits, would go a long way in making the Ability more manageable.
@@haydeniskander5306no need to rework my goat
Yeah. I think pokemon is most fun without junk like urshifu
Honourable mention to closed sheet Dondozo with the perfect set and tera type to beat your specific Dondozo counter
The thought of Shedinja being in Generation IX would be terrifying since it would be able to make use of Terastallization.
Oh god air balloon telestalized electric
Sandstorm
wonder guard could be changed into only making shedinja immune to the types that ghost/bug in particular isn't weak to. this way, something like tera electric air balloon shed could still be beaten
@@juannaym8488
Ogerpon Fire smiles and waves.
@@juannaym8488 It could become immune to ghost in that case, but it would still be an improvement.
The worst thing about Regieleki is that it invalidates like 90% of Pokemom in the game. Anything relying on its speed stat is as good as useless against it. Anything else trying to control speed is just worse unless its trick room and it can obliderate most pokemon that dont resist electric. Its not even horribly frail so priorty atatcks are only somewhat useful to finish it off
Remember it can out speed trick room 💀
@@omarpride3021not in vgc
I admit it, Cresselia is slowly rising to be one of the Pokémon I hate having to deal with. She's ridiculously bulky, and can do shit like Ally Switch, Trick Room, and Lunar Blessing that can feel cheap at times.
They even decided to nerf her, I don’t like that 😢
@@omarpride3021 Cress is still annoying when nerfed
If shedinja returned in gen 9 it would need to have some sort of extra restrictions on it. Otherwise tera electric + air balloon would only allow it to be KO'd by status and weather.
Or by Pokémons with mold breaker
Mold breaker and sandstorm will it instantly
@@GameZone-ib7eu
Yeah, but it’s not like they released any good mold breaker Pokémon who also happens to be insanely good and high usage… oh wait.
shedinja didn't end up in gen 9(thankfully) but tbh given how weird of a mon it already is i could've seen it just,, not being allowed to tera
@@jmurray1110 Also, there's that status move that removes items.
Correction about Urshifu in BSS, unseen fist absolutely IS a huge deal. Pokémon like Dondozo and Toxapex commonly run protect (or baneful bunker in Toxapex’s case) to scout intentions of choiced mons. Garganacl also often runs a late game wincon set that utilizes substitute + protect to maximize salt cure chip damage.
Protect + leftovers is also usually Dondozo’s sole source of recovery. Urshifu being able to bypass these defensive options that many BSS teams rely on for a shred of stability in regulation D completely throws balance out of the window, Urshifu Rapid Strike in particular is the only Mon that competes with Dragonite for the title of best BSS mon almost solely because of unseen fist.
Poor Zamazenta, it wasn’t even very good in the first place but because it’s counterpart was too strong it got nerfed too. Compare this to Regidrago and Regieleki where only one of them got needed.
As a dedicated Armarouge player, I can sense the rage on the other side of the screen. And i like it.😈
You are a monster
Based bug fables pfp
@orokinchi7875 Yay! someone recognizes my pfp!
Great pfp but I despise indeerouge. You got something right at least, bug fables is great.
A fellow IndeeRouge user here. Love beating up my little brother with them
Armarouge + Indeedee is the main reason why i run Snarl instead of Eerie Impulse on my Thundurus, kinda underrated move on Thundurus and dropping Special Attack even when taunted or on Gholdengo makes up for the lack of priority.
Gamefreak kinda just forgot the zamazenta existed and it's sad. Zacian gets everything it could ever ask for, and Zama... well...
But hey, it finally got body press (even tho both Zamazenta and Body Press are from the same gen)
Hey, it finally got Body Press. It also got its Attack, Defenses, and Ability nerfed so bad that it's still in OU, but hey, maybe it'll work in VGC.
my poor boy. he deserves so much better. im glad he got body press at least
Little Timmy being roasted out of thin air
I'm so bummed that Smeargle is such a hated Pokemon competitively, it's one of my favorites. It's a great pokemon for shiny hunting and just catching Pokemon in general and has an interesting gimmick. I also just really like its design. I understand why it's not healthy for a metagame tho, but I still love it.
I agree
Plus it sets up for intresting strategies that no other pokemon can
Smeargle can run moody power trip and become a sweeper
Smeargle can run fake out , taunt, or haze inorder to stop various sweepers
Smeargle can run stealth rock , sticky web, and toxic spikes to become a hazard setter
Smeargle can even run rapid spin or defog to get rid of said hazards
There is so much that smeargle can do and I love it for that so it feels kinda sad that people give smeargle a bad wrap for indirectly nerfing darkrai
@@erikbalandra5191 Darkrai aside, the fact that you can never tell what the pokemon does before it does it is already annoying enough in a competitive setting
honestly with the new video format you’ve been doing recently you’ve quickly become my new favourite VGC youtuber :)
The editing quality on this video is top tier Moxie. I can't wait to see more content like this in the future
Regieleki was so broken it made it Regidrago look like a Lesser Pokemon like Druddigon. No wonder why only Eleki got nerfed while Drago is left untouched.
If anything, they buffed Drago this generation by giving it good Ground coverage.
Fun fact about Regieleki, when it arrived in gen 9, thanks to gen 9's mechanic, it can turn into an ice type, and answer his sole weakness.....being mostly lock to electrik type moves.....and now it's no longer the case ! It was so strong, Smogon banned it quickly
Which is doubly hilarious because Leki sees no usage in singles due to its Nerf, losing Web, and no Dynamax.
@@Endershock1678don’t you mean double?
not only quickly, it is to this day the fastest quick ban of all time. it stayed a single day in OU before getting banned
@@Endershock1678Regieleki didn’t lose Electroweb.
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 Look, it was 3AM when I wrote it, and I spent 3 hours trying to make Slacking viable, I wasn't exactly in the right mind.
I’m actually surprised that both Incineroar and Landerous are not included on this list.
Running theme with these is forcing guesses/rng or ignoring counterplay. The intimidate duo are REALLY strong but they dont really do either of those.
I assume because Landorus has a very exploitable weakness and predictable set, while Incineroar will have to deal with new threats the likes of Sacred Sword Hisui Samurott when it gets back into the national dex
@@asierx7047 I don't think samurott hisui is any viable tbh, but the point u r trying to make is absolutely correct
@@Mut-ant i should've mentioned Great Tusk as a prime Incineroar counter but i simply forgot
Most players are fine with the more supportive mons being good. Having reliable pieces is nice. The issue is when mons are horribly overbearing or don't have realistic answers.
Regieleki counters are Sp Def Groudon and Ursaluna with Grimmsnarl setting up light screen/reflect with parting shot to pivot. But this is more or less requires you to make a defensive team in case you run into a team with Regieleki.
And the worst part is the Bolt Beam tera set can threaten the former 2, so both players essentially have to focus their whole team in fighting that one matchup
Yah terra made eleki stupid with bolt beam cover
I thought xerneas would have been on this list. Always thought power herb geomancy was hated by majority.
Yea, that is actually really suprising, xern is a bit mouse ape alike, you have to predict it and if you predict the lead wrong you are dead
Because it’s mid
The armarouge and indeedee combo can be easily dispatched by any dark type (water/dark or dark/ground can work better) and also dark/poison for defensive purposes.
As a mon who will likely never get into competitive pokemon myself ,great video. Entertaining informative and enjoyable ,I'll be subscribing for more.
Bulbasaur representation at the very start is an instant like from me.
GOLISOPOD it the best design EVER! That is my boy till the very end!
“Long live the monkey” is both the best and worst description for Annihilape
The editing on these videos have gotten so much better - awesome vid
I'm a big fan of this type of video format. Keep up the good work
I love shedninja as you can legit just drop one in a team, almost never use it, and still stress everyone in a tournament out. Great Pokemon with a great gimmick.
so if I'm getting this right, the most hated team would be regieleki, armarouge, iron bundle, maushold, annihilape, and indeedee-f >:)
Unironically yes
@@MoxieBoosted I've made the team but it was so bad it lowered me from 1600s to 1440
@@itzorangesteve2853 it be like that sometimes
There may be arguments for Incineroar not being hated, but it feels like whenever I see it, I just groan. It feels like no matter what I do this WWE Tiger just survives.
I pray they remove intimidate from it when it returns in the dlc because its already confirmed it will be back. I rather it just have huge power or something else thematic to 80s wrestling
I was just checking out your other videos and to my surprise, you just uploaded a new one, nice
“Its the inside that matters”- someone
Great content, as always
your thumbnails are always so sick I almost want to watch just because of the art!
Bundle will be better next to the new Dripplin since its ability reduces evasion, it's an artificial accuracy boost for hydro pump
I really love this new edited content. VGC video essayist GOAT Marcos
Top video and background music to set the tone
please oh please WHERE is that charizard and glue clip from?
There is a small error in this video
Smergle can learn every move in the game except for THREE
1. Vicious rend
2. Chatter
3. Hoopas signature move
Fire content!
I ran a primarily bulky priority team for a while, and loved my Armarouge. I used Trick Room against hyper offense/high speed teams so I could rely less on priority moves, and against Trick Room teams. Generally the turn they try to set it up, or the turn after to switch it back.
surprised not to see any mention of thundurus since its massive hate actively got several things nerfed
0:31 casual players will hate those Pokémon? If anything competitive players would hate them even more
Great video as always! But you know what was the best part? That 🔥 Thumbnail 😎
Wild that ppl dislike Bundle because it's NOT overpowered
Need a followup video of the best counters to all these !
Delibird brings gifts. Iron Bundle brings despair.
Urshifu: "Just attack, lol..."
Fun Fact, not even Regieleki used max speed to outspeed other ones, people used even CHOICE SCARF MAX SPEED REGIELEKI to always win the speed tie in gen 8 VGC
I'm really surprised by Iron Bundle being on this list. But after hearing the reasons, I guess that makes sense. Still is my favorite Paradox pokemon.
Do you think maybe Espathra will gain some spotlight once Smeargle drops? I mean, Opportunist + Mirror Herb will make for an insta +4 in one stat, so it can be quite the advantage, specially if the stat is not speed and you have a Tailwind setter.
my glalie plus anger point team should definately be here according to any vgc player in my local area
Cant wait for spore revival blessing upper hand smeargle
Im burning through your channel. Your humor and the editing are a match made in heaven. Also Leech seed boys assemble. Wo chein and ferrothorn are lost brothers in my mind
ultra instinct kyogre made my day im ngl
10:27 Let’s not forget the fact that Regieleki LITERALLY BREAKS TRICK ROOM WITH HOW FAST IT IS
Any pokemon I hate is Lando T
So filthy for me I just cant
Revival blessing could be interesting but i think itll be hard to pull off because Smeargle wont last too many turns
I think it probably will be a move locked to use if not by the Pokemon that can learn it.
I doubt smeargle would ever get to pull it off. It's so frail, not that fast, and usually targeted immediately before it can start pulling shenanigans.
anyone remember minimize guard swap chancey?
i hate hate evasion strats☠️
Aerial ace. Faint attack.
@@thanthtooaung4401 Why do people keep thinking these moves work in the year 2023? They don't, stop coping.
Murkrow Gholdengo. Jeez I hated that during early S/V doubles.
wow thanks for the new strategies
No one’s talking about how baller your thumbnails are.
9:07 Wait until this guy sees my -spd nature, 0spd EV Shuckle in trick room with an iron ball
No mention of Cresselia?
Trick Room setter
Bulky as hell
Ally Switch BS
Lunar Blessing to cure status and heal
Absolute nightmare of a Pokemon if you don't have taunt available.
I don't have a particular pokemon, but I do like dark n ghost types the most, a lot of them have bad designs tho, my second type would be water type, probably the one with the most extreme sides in the design spectrum, rather are really good or Bruxish
Surprising that there was no mention of any calyrex considering both formes being absurd on their own spectrum
Before I watched the video I faced an indeedee armarouge team and the first thing that player did was reject team sheets
Certified Indeedee Armarouge player moment
Armarouge is my gen 9 favorite pokemon and indeedee my gen 8 favorite, I love they have that interaction but Im sad to know that team is so hated
There is actually an easy way to stop Urshifu:
Sand Attack :)
(If allowed)
it is allowed
I know it’s a little late but you should do a video talking about teams to consider for new reg
People hate to face Iron Bundle?
.......well, I guess all those people that had to face mine may had been cursing my non-existence decendance then. I like to use him in rain teams and tbh I prefer to boost his Special Atk instead. I never expected Icy wind to double KO things
Honestly kinda sad that Indeedee was kinda dragged into the conversation because of the one that uses her the most, she is great but fair on any other pair:Fast teams, slow teams, all of them benefit, but the fire armor devil knocked the door
Where is chlorophyll sleep powder? (Altho I have to admit I sometimes run that too)
After hearing you talk that way about RnGesus.. I do fully believe that gamefreak will make rainbow tera be any one of the 18 types at random.
And well it's on you to guess what your opponent has changed into..
You get an idea of what you are after transforming by the effectiveness of terablast.. 😅
Gotta love the idea of an open team sheet with extra RnG 😂
I actually didnt mind regi or zacian. Seemed like necessary evils for dynamax that wont be overwhelming in SV
Beating Armarouge and Indeedee is what got me into master ball rank. Iron treads steel roller into indeedee to OKO and Annihilape final gambits the Armarouge
5:34 placeholder lmao
i have made a terrible mistake
I don't really play vgc online, I just play against my friends. I hate the Sableye one of my friends has since it has prankster will o wisp and most my mons jsut ended up being physical. But also they hate my Garganacl even more, it's so bulky and after an iron defense it also becomes an attacker. I love that guy
As someone who recently got his first top 8 at his local with indeedee arma, I feel like this doesn’t apply to me lol. (Also I open OTS on showdown)
Yea, it is more the problem of cts than of armadeedee. In series 1 I also played ots armadeedee and I feel nobody ever had issues with it
So, there's two that I hate, and neither of them are good anymore. My hatred is specifically related to the absolute trauma they influcted on me and the stranglehold one of them had on the metagame I started playing in.
The first one is Talonflame. Gale Wings was a STUPID ability when it was first released, since it allowed Talonflame to threaten Tailwind AND priority Brave Bird no matter what. Ive softened on it a little bit now that Gale Wings has been nerfed into the ground, but it still provokes that anger reaction i had in 2015.
My second most hated is Minimiza Chansey. It was definitely beatable, but if you tunnel visioned too hard the opponent could win with a secondary option. Not to mention when it got Guard Splitted by Shuckle. If it got set up, it was a menace to deal with. Thank god they removed Minimize from it this gen.
I once got both of my mons flinched twice in a row by Rock Slide. Unfortunate doesn't begin to describe my series.
"Cranky's Advice: git gud"
The memories maaaaannn
If shedinja comes back everyone would run Tera electric will air balloon
Now I wanna see what kinda move placeholder would be for ting lu. Perhaps forcing a pokémon to not be able to switch
Can't tell if this is a rhetorical question or not but it has Sand Tomb
How did I not know that annihilape and maushold, two of my favourite gen 9 pokémon, both have been my favourite pokémon for a short while not long ago, are so hecking good together? A monster has probably been born.
any mon that learns Ally Switch and every player that actively uses it
I remember the days of gen 8 struggling to set up expanding firce Reuniculus because Indeedee didn't have Trick Room. I see why it didn't now
Damm I didnt realise Smeargle would have acces to Revival Blessing now 💀
IMAGINE IF ANNIHLAPE GOT JUSTIFIED
I am taking notes. I will make the game worse. The haters will suffer
I actually really like Armorouge, but would rather pair it with a pokemon with priority moves and taunt, like Toxicroak. You naturally learn Taunt and Sucker Punch, but then you can choose egg moves from hitmonchan (being released to SV soon) like fake out and feint. This way you can almost always get damage onto foes with spread moves rather than simply using the same meta indeedee. Giving priority moves to Toxicroak is an excellent way to keep it busy during trick room, after all.
One fun trick room core I casually had on Showdown before SV was Bronzong Toxicroak Dragalge. You could get rain, flinches from iron head, and trick room from bronzong, while dragalge had surf, recover, and some other moves, then you’d switch in toxicroak and surf spamming while guaranteeing damage with feint. This would ensure every turn without ghost types was a turn i could both heal and fish for protects or land sucker punches. Don’t forget to give Dragalge recover, and you’re set for a fun little double ko.
Strating a petition to make smeargle have mycelium might-is habilitity instead of the previous it had
I think most of these pokemon are not really the problem but a move that they get ar a stupid mechanic. For example closed team sheets is already annoying, also if you don't face armadeedee. I feel like smeargle without moody and dark void in open team sheets would be far from hated and I think shedinja without ally switch would be widely accepted as a cool strategy/wincondition. I don't even have to start about ting lu and fissure...
Armarouge is my favorite Pokémon, so it kind of hurts that people hate it 😭
Evil that they nerfed Just Regieleki but Zamazenta was caught in the Zacian nerf anyway lmao