What Is The STRONGEST STARTER POKEMON?
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I'm not watching the video just because of the disrespect against Meganium and Emboar.
Also emboar won a tournament in gen 5 lol
😂😂😂😂
You watched it enough to find that out tho😂
@@trillakodiene11 but i stopped ✋️ 😀
What are you talking about meganium is great in radical red, the only currently relevant Pokémon game until the Pokémon Company decides to do more with millions of dollars than some guys in a discord can do with their free time.
"Incineroar could fit everywhere." Yeah, he fits everywhere so well he fits on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
And is way better in doubles matches than singles.
My pfp
he coiuld even fit inside me
Should’ve been Decidueye
We all know greninja beats incineroar
All of Rillaboom's placements had Incineroar on the same team
Rillaboom and Incin make up two strong parts of the Balance Core, with the third part being either Tapu Fini, Urshifu, or some other really strong water type. Which is insane if you think about it, that these two starters need legends to partner with it.
😳
Well, it is 2/3 of a grass-water-fire core, and both of them excel in pretty much the same thing (pivoting, faking out, supporting the other mon, while being tanky and having an ok/good offensive pressure), so obviously they both have great synergy. It basically goes like this “if I am using Rillaboom, I might as well use a fire and a water type with it. If I am using a fire type I might as well use Incineroar”.
Oh Boy, I can't wait to see Moxie go into detail on my boy Empoleon
Edit: 😐
I think it's notable that Rillaboom was still good even without Grassy Glide in SV Regulation D. While Grassy Surge + Glide is a very good trick, Rillaboom has proven itself that it has viability beyond that.
Bulky, high utility, and in a format where Urshifu Water gets to exists? Of course it’s gonna do well.
@@Endershock1678 honestly like shifu didn't deserve to come back :/
@@daphenomenalz4100the bears need nerfs to the guaranteed crits 🤧
Doesn’t it have fake out too? And Knock off? Those are some good support attacking moves i call it , Fake out is always First and Knock off knocks off the opponents item
I need regular Swampert to be given Swift Swim. Free my boy, he deserves it.
even with that it'd be meh, gets blasted by rain itself, can't wallbreak effectively and can't revenge cause its speed would still be low.
Give swampert sap sipper
Poison heal would be pretty crazy
@@ratman4200 Swampert is so close to greatness but kinda like Garchomp, GF refuses to give it the things it needs to shine. For now, it really only needs access to good recovery and strong priority. If Swampert got access to Palafin's Jet Punch and Recover (or even Life Dew), it could fill a role.
An ability change in the same vein as Empoleon would be nice but what would we even give him?:
- Swift Swim would be great just like the Mega. (Not a fan of this, too reliant on rain)
- Water Veil to prevent burns. (Least good)
- Adaptability to increase it's wall-breaking potential. (My personal pick)
- Regenerator/Water Absorb or Dry Skin would be completely nuts.
@@bgc0this is the way. Unironically, Sap Sipper Swampert wouldn't even be broken imo. It'd be pretty damn good as a Trick Room sweeper. If given Ice Spinner(which it should be) it'd become a counter to Amoongus. But, I don't think it would be too powerful. With Ogerpon existing, Swampert is completely unviable.
bruh wolfey won nationals in 2011 with emboar and also got top 8 at worlds with it that year
Yeah! We need an Emboar special
It’s just the world champ difference
That's cuz Wolfey is cracked, Emboar still sucks
Incineroar is just too good. Like you mentioned it has intimidate, fake out, parting shot and so many other tools that make it an extremely effective support Pokémon. VGC just isn’t the same without it
Edit: OMG THEY GAVE IT HELPING HAND WHAT WAS GAME FREAK THINKING
I’m worried about an Incineroar nerf like how they did Toxapex and Lando
@@MasonsWorldOfficialPros admit that Landerous and Incineroar are healthy powerhouses for the format. I hope gamefreak listened
@@MasonsWorldOfficialWould be funny to me if Incineroar got nerfed, since I don't like him
Watch it get nerfed in the DLC
@@AuraStrikeAce I love him. I think a solid pokemon with counterplay and utility is useful. Especially in our format where the right support pokemon can ruin your entire team by accident
Incineroar is so good that an entire meta game revolves around it. Its like if you dont have incin your instantly at a huge disadvantage
Every meta it's been a part of
We all know the best starter is the eevee from let’s go
Baddy Bad
@@Dr.J42 Glitzy Glow
Nah. Eevee sucks. Same with its evos. The best starter is 100% Rattata. We all know this, Youngster Joey's Rattata is a god-killer
@@madysonandres9571Freezy Frost
@@ItsDaNewGuy never forget the pichu from Pokémon ranger
Can’t wait to see Iron Hands vs Incin on every team in VGC after the second part of the DLC comes out
Brian Hands and Incineroar for tag champs.
Make love not war
they can’t breed tho
@@sanelu949 Brian Hands will find a way.
@@Endershock1678Love (and turn 1 Fake Out) finds a way
Give Meganium Revival Blessing and Regenerator, and it'd be a VGC staple. Not only would those TWO things make it viable, but they're also thematically fitting (all of Meganium's dex entries talk about how it revives dead plants just by breathing on them). And it wouldn't be out shone by Amoongus, coz they're both doing different (all be it similar) things. Both want to support the team, but Amoongus does so by disrupting your opponent (Spore, Rage Powder). Meganium would greatly increase the longevity of your team via Revival Blessing, Aromatherapy, Heal Pulse, and Screens (yeah, Meg can be a screen setter). Now combine all that with Intimidate spam. It even gets Helping Hand.
Flower veil would be sick too if only it worked on any types than just grass
I love the casual "This won worlds btw" at 13:54
after empoleon buff it really fells like a great pokemon hopefully Swampert can get something usefull insteady of damp.
Yeah. After losing its mega, they should have given it a better HA.
Cant believe you forgot to mention Quaquaval it literally got top 8 at the Hartford PC at the regional event in 2023... the gay duck will never be forgotten, or sadly used
Just a little correction: Greninja did have a lot of placements in gen 6 and gen 7
Not really
You missed Infernape - its pretty power crept these days but it had usage in older generations as a fast Fake Out + Feint sash mon with Overheat and Close Combat to do pretty good damage
Blastoise has also had real niches in VGC
The Times™
1:28 Mega Blaziken
2:37 Serperior
3:16 Mega Swampert
4:21 Empoleon
4:26 Cinderace
5:27 The Paldean Pals :3 (Meowscarada & Skeledirge)
6:40 Primarina
8:07 Venusaur
9:34 Charizard
11:45 Rillaboom
13:00 Incineroar
Remember to hydrate and stuff
RIP Meowscarada, Meta for one format
We all know its gonna be incineroar, so lets see the honorable mentions
I can’t wait for a lot of these starters to come back. Also Incineroar is probably going to look cool with the SV textures, and maybe look something like how he looks in Smash. Also, I really wish Sceptile could be in these list for once 😭 I really hope GF stop disrespecting Sceptile, and at least attempt to try to make it good like they did with the Sinnoh starters. Switch it’s attack stats, give it a better ability, add the dragon typing l, something 😭 (also I know Mega Sceptile has the dragon typing, but normal Sceptile getting that means draco meteor)
Im not even into competitive or anything but Incineroar and Rillaboom are my fav starters of their respective gens design wise. So it's cool to know that they're great in VGC too
I love seeing the difference between singles and doubles. I swear almost every pokemon has a tier to shine in over the course of nine generations.
NGL, didn’t know about the Water Perish Song from Primarina. The more you know
Im genuinely excited to maybe try Contrary Serperior in SV
Oh boy, I can't wait to see what moxie boosted says about my favorite Pokémon Empoleon 😄
Edit:
Oh.
I just find it funny that the buff Tony the Tiger-esque wrestler cat isn’t a slower, hard hitting choice band user but instead found a role as a do-it-all support pivot tool and gamefreak probably intended for it to be a mid tier attacker but just leaned into what it’s niche turned out to be which is how it ended up getting intimidate and parting shot later on
There is no way they didn’t design it to be a intimidate fake out pivot
It makes sense if you consider what Incineroar is. He's a wrestling heel. He's not there to win, he's there to play the villain, put on a show, rile up the crowd, and be a menace. Hence why things like Intimidate, Parting Shot, and Fake Out work so well with him.
He's a wrestler. Him being able to tag out with a move and get something when he tags in is pretty on character.
Im convinced incineroar was buffed in gen 8 just because it was in smash ultimate 😂
Coincidentally they are both superb in doubles and digs gif in singles in both games
Part of me wonders if the reason they wound up making gren so insane in gen 6 was because they knew it was being added in smash 4 before XY came out
@@kyallon1213 very possible, they was probably planning to push greninja so makes sense
Did Greninja see no results at all??
Yo! Love ur apex stuff. Greninja saw *some* Gen 6 results but nothing major enough for me to feel it had enough of a niche to include. That being said it'd probably be the next one I'd add to the vid
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Imagine intimidate incineroar is in Legends Z and he has to go up against all the new megas.... OR HE GETS A MEGA FORM AND BECOMES THE NEW CHARIZARD
Got jumpscared by the random acknowledgement of my boy Bisharp, hes always had random niches and Im surprised to see one of them was him being paired with the Uber singles god Blaziken
Glad to have my boy Swampert back for the DLC. Would be great if they give it some buff this gen.
My favorite thing about this video is that the vast majority of Rillaboom teams that you show off have Incineroar in them.
I like how incineroar was at least on every single competitive team 😂
I love the occasional use of Smash Incineroar footage. Like it’s not too much to bring it out of being about the Pokemon games but enough to show Incineroar acting the way it should.
The better question is what is the third best starter? Incineroar is obviously a cut above the rest and there's also a pretty clear gap between rillaboom and the rest.
Ya know Incineroar is coming out on top when ya see his mug pop up even when talking about the accomplishment of other mons lol
Hey Moxie! I'm the one that made the format tier list template you showed that split up VGC 2018 into the pre- and post-Incineroar. That was a very conscious decision based on how it felt to me at the time. I expected some backlash about that, but I was pretty surprised that basically everyone seemed to agree with me.
Fun Fact: Swampert still has the Highest Base Stat Total of any starter, at 535, beating out Delphox and Infernape by 1 Point!
This holds true for Mega Starters as well, Mega Swampert's at 635, beating out Both Mega Charizards by again 1 Point!
Truly, Mudkip Stocks are unrivaled.
I really hope you keep the brian hands sponsor even after SV is over
was really expecting Gren and Infernape atleast mentioned
If this was for Singles, for sure, but this is for VGC, so that's why they don't show up!
@@HeartOfClodinfernape got two world top3 placing and consistent regional placing
More than blaziken
Grass types are always my starter, but I'm glad litten has been the only one to almost surpass the gens grass starter... would've liked it more if it wasnt for incineroar's interactions in the anime (greabbing litten by the head almost killing it)
i remember seeing a short where someone said that even if your fire type slot was taken by another pokemon you could still just run incineroar anyway
Incineroar + iron gonna go crazy reg f
Anyone else hyped for Incineroar's return in the Indigo Disk? :]
Nah man. Shit is gonna be everywhere again.
Incineroar is to vgc as lando-T is to smogon OU (pre-gen9). Both are the most common in their respective formats and aren’t considered overpowered
7:20 So you’re telling me that Primarina Perish Song + Wellspring Ogerpon is a thing?
I don't play competitively, but if I did, and had the choice to use Primarina or Tapu Fini, I'd always choose Primarina, since I just love her that much, and she's my fave Starter. Same goes for me using Meowscarada or Serperior over the other Grass types, since they're my two favorite Grass Starters, and also Cinderace over the other Fire types, being my number 1 favorite Fire Starter. And for the opposite reason, I would never use Incineroar, Rillaboom, or Venusaur, because I don't like them very much.
I think Cinderace's fall off in VGC was intentional to resemble soccer players
Incineroar will be on starter ranking videos by default honestly.
Me watching this 16 minute video knowing god damn well the answer
Rillaboom amd Charizard were so immense that the Pokémon Journeys anime perfectly portrayed how overpowered they were. Leon's team specifically.
I thought you would mention that mega Zard y won world in either junior or senior division in 2014 i believe, and Venusaur won in 2022 in either junior or senior division
my only problem with incineroar is that torracat is just so much cooler
I dont play in any tournaments but all of my friends play and we are pretty competitive with each other. Ive had massive success with incineroar. I never thought to use Venasaur because on paper he looks so weak. Maybe i need to give him a chance. I cant wait to see who you have as the top 3.
That Torterra dig at the beginning just made you a lifelong enemy!
The better question really is which is the second best starter
Depends on the “strength” you’re looking for.
If you’re looking for pure aggression, Protean and Libero starters are very good. Of course, they’ll fold to any meaningful damage against them or crumple against hard walls, but generally have tools to reposition and come in to exploit weaknesses later.
That tortera shade at the start felt lil personal to me 😂
I still use Venusaur but as a surprise staller midteam with protect/leech seed/giga drain/substitute tbh
Buff the starters give :
Maganium regenerator plus support moves
Sceptile, swapt it's attack with it's sp attack
Swampert, sap zipper or swift swim
Extremely excited for ma boi incineroar to do his comeback
My sweet boy Typhlosion, I am so sorry you will never be enough 😔
I have spot for my first pokemon line the soigatio line
I love pokemon these conversations are awesome
4:36 Cinderace took that personally
Sad we're not having videos about Incineroar 37 in Gen IX. Those videos were fun.
Bro dropping heat in the middle of December 😩
Swampert doesn’t have mixed attacker syndrome lmao it’s special attack just isn’t really low
Hey Serperior got at least some success that's more than some other starters can say so I'm happy
I have a soft spot for cinderace as it was my first starter, so much so it’s on my comp team and I love how viable he is today with his glass cannon archetype
Me personally I use him in tandem with Garg to be setup shutdown, and an overall check for any setup mons
Didn't Blastoise at least win Junior Worlds in 2022?
As a person that doesn’t play VGC this was v entertaining and well explained
1 thing I would say is kinda disapointing is that when talking about the Paldean starters it's mostly focus on the 2(Meowscarada & Skeledirge) and not the other which is Quaquaval for I would have thought he be a great fast offensive sweeper with his high attack,speed & ability moxie.
Which is a shame cause he's my favorite and I never pick a water type starter until S&V.
Incineroar with rilla in second video over
You thought I wouldn't notice the shiny nope rope(serperior)
Great video
As a Blastoise fan, I am sad that the shellfish did not have the success of its fellow Kanto starters.
they should buff the old pokemon, givve regular swampert swift swim
Hey moxie do you think giving Meganium either Triage for healing support or chlorophyll for matching Venusaur could work?
Blazakin, perfect IVs, choice scarf, speed boost ability
Everybody knows meganium is wayyyyyyy too op, Definitely needs a nerf!
Everyone knew the answer before even clicking the video. And in the indigo disk, the king will return!! 🔥
Emboar has results though from that one worlds run from wolfey xd.
Soon best combination brian hands and incineroar, for the new vgc tag team champions
Dam Embore out here catching strays even tho it got sixth at 2011 worlds🤣
The real best starter was the friends we made along the way
Let's go another good video 😊
Torterra with shell smash is criminally underrated
Empoleon mentioned let's go
Incineroar for VGC, Blaziken for singles.
Torchic is my favorite starter of all time but man incineroar really wasint sugercoating it with intimidation and fake out.
VGC’s worst nightmare is Inceroar.
Smeargle
Um actually Emboar won Us nationals in 2011
still upset that I had to deal with 10+ years of the Samurott line being treated terribly in every facet of the franchise, and was rewarded with an effective replacement that still isn’t good in VGC with the original getting nothing.
The Pokémon company treated the gen 5 starters very dirty honestly. Even serperior, the one that is considered the best, it’s still not as good as others. All 3 of my boys need some more love
@@sprinklesmckincles726^absolutely agree. justice for the gen 5 starters 😔
I mean at least it's good in singles.
@@swampat4093 still, it’s a particularly bad example of a regional form just being a replacement instead of an effective sidegrade with distinct niches. the original Samurott is barely good in PU now, let alone in VGC. There’s no reason Torterra should get Shell Smash and Empoleon should get an actual ability while anyone who wants to transfer up their original Samurott has to deal with the fact it gets neither, and it can’t do anything to distinguish itself from its regional form that probably won’t continue to be included in the games after this gen.
@@Squishyboyseth I've noticed that gamefreak seems to like always try to brush gen 5 in general under the rug. Idk, maybe that's too tinfoil haty
Pog video. Gracias rey
My rule of thumb for starters is that if I don't like it or it looks really stupid then Gamefreak loves it and it's competitive. In nine out of ten cases this rule holds true.
Whenever I think of Incineroar my mental image of reference is simply Rath from Ben 10, being a big ass fighter ask cat. Whenever I think of it returning I picture Incin screaming to the top of its lungs “LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING VIDEO GAME CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT I’VE BEEN RELENTLESSLY DOMINATING FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS OR SO… INCIN WILL DOMINATE YOU!!!!!”
Let's be honest, everyone who knows competitive Pokemon knew Incineroar was gonna be number one
Infernape was completed ignored, even when he got second place in worlds 2010
Sorry Infernape3335