First Look: Federal FireStick Muzzleloader Ignition System
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2020
- Federal’s new FireStick heralds a whole new way to charge muzzleloaders. It’s an encapsulated load of Hodgdon’s Triple Eight blackpowder in a waterproof plastic hull, accepts a standard 209 primer, and is removable, meaning that you no longer have to either ram out or discharge your powder after a day of hunting.
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Next year “we developed a charge that now houses the bullet do you can load it like a traditional break over rifle in your muzzle loader “ lol
lol, at some point it's like why even bother just get a rifled 20ga shotgun with sabots!
30 bucks for a pack of 10 - wow! what a racket
I own 40 Traditional Black powder rifles. I own over a dozen inline muzzleloaders. All my inline ml's use the 209 primer. There is no need for anymore development in inline muzzleloaders. The 209 system is perfection. This is just a waste of time and money. You either love muzzle loading or you hate it. This is a system for those that hate muzzle loading, but want to optimize on the extended hunting season. If you're trying to shoot 1 inch groups at 750 yards, then get into cartridge shooting. This extending range to ridiculous distances for muzzleloaders is like putting pig on a lipstick. It isn't needed.
Always found that round balls work very well in my CVA wolf. As long as you have a proper patch to hold the ball those things shoot great there’s no need to buy all that fancy stuff. My muzzleloader even has iron sites. I don’t need to put a scope on it because it’s a muzzleloader. It’s funny that people want a muzzleloader to perform as if it’s a cartridge rifle. To be honest, a muzzleloader that the powder charge loads from the breach but the bullet loads from the muzzle is just kind of dumb.
This special muzzleloading from the breach
So you pretty much made blank shotgun shells
Congratulations you remaid the cartridge. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I was thinking "Congrats, you just basically made a 21st century version of the 1850s Smith Carbine"
@@superdrewster98 lol yeah
It's not about inventing the cartridge. It's about building the cartridge in such a way that it still is considered a "muzzle loader" by regulation.
I think you missed the point entirely. It's to make black powder hunting more accessible and work around hunting laws
Watch the CZcams video on the new "Nitro-Breech MUzzleloader" (Harry M. Pope method) to see the first "self-cleaning" muzzleloader.
$6.99? I'm in northern Canada and 5 rounds of Firestick are $35 up here. Nitrofire is going for about $800 depending on where you get it.
Is there a rechargeable cartridge? I forsee major difficulty out in the feild and needed more, its not going to be available at every sports shop and will get jacked up in price before no sports shop sells them anymore.
see those for at clearance section walmart after muzzle season ended $5 a pack hehe
So it will only work with the tradition rifle only
Seems like a decent idea they wasn’t thought all the way through
And if the rifle has a shelf inside the barrel you can use regular pellets or loose powder in
CVA has a crossfire rifle uses the same firestick.
That looks like a Bushnell scope in a 30mm on that rifle. Could you elaborate which exact scope you are using in the video?
Does it come in a flintlock version like real muzzleloaders
Old video Va. outlawed these. Cannot use in Va. Our Game wardens are no joke either, you don't want them after you. They will hurt your wallet. I had one try everything in the book to get me for something, but he couldn't. He did get my friend for two tickets. Guy enjoyed writing them too. He was an ass from the word stop. Never met a normal one either, all of them seem to be jerks. Must be on the qualification agenda. They have more authority than a police officer, no search warrant needed for home car etc. They can search everything you have including your house , no warrant needed. Cops need a search they call a game warden. You're done. Ridiculous law . But it is what it is. Peace.
A single shot shotgun. We have those already😂
Nobody ever shows accuracy or grouping... why ?
How do you reload them lol time to call Lee
Is this triple 7 or true dirty black powder? Hopeful the cleaner triple 7. Have a nice day.
Triple 8. New powder
This is the description by Federal.
* Polymer charge filled with clean-burning Hodgdon Triple Eight powder
* Charges from the breech of Traditions NitroFire rifle
* Bullet loads from the muzzle
* Totally impervious to moisture and the elements
* Same tight tolerances and quality controls as loaded ammunition
* Fast effortless loading and unloading
Is it still technically or legally a “muzzle” loader?
I think so
And you would have to check your local state laws. Somebody here in the comment section made a comment that they’re illegal in Virginia because they’re technically considered a cartridge weapon. Which, actually, technically they are. But I think it’s a silly concept of loading a black powder cartridge from the bridge, but putting a bullet down the barrel.
If I was to purchase an H&R single shot shotgun with a rifled barrel for shooting slugs, followed by modifying a slug shell by cutting it open and replacing the smokeless with black powder I would basically have the exact same product...
Not really, you would have to load the slug from the muzzle.
A muzzleloader is a weapon that the projectile is loaded from the muzzle. What you described isn't remotely close to a firestick
Backwoods Bob
How is this a muzzleloader?
Can i recharge the firestick from myself?
Nope. It's a 1 and done situation.
I think people are missing the whole point when it comes to owning and shooting a muzzleloader. Muzzleloaders are not for everybody. If you can’t read measurements or you do not understand how a muzzleloading firearm works you should not operate any firearm. Much less a muzzleloader. Basically this is I’m just going to be nice about it and say that it’s not a good concept because it’s basically a cartridge weapon without being a cartridge weapon. You load a powder cartridge from the bridge, but you load a bullet from the muzzle that just doesn’t exactly go together. I seen the fire stick cartridges in Walmart they’re 20 bucks. It cost two dollars to fire one round out of a fire stick compatible muzzleloader. Me personally, and my muzzleloader I use bullets that I make at home with loose black powder and it literally only cost a few cents to shoot one round. Basically, this is a product that is going to cost. Black powder shooters a lot of money. If you’re wanting to get a fire stick compatible muzzleloader, I’m just going to save you some grief. If you’re wanting it because you’re just curious in it don’t get it get a traditional centerfire muzzleloader if you’re wanting it because it will be easier to sheet black powder just get a modern firearm you’ll be a lot happier because obviously muzzleloading isn’t for you. They try to make a muzzleloader perform as if it’s a modern firearm. I find it very funny.
Not legal for muzzleloading season in Tennessee because it’s loaded from the breach. Check your local laws before buying this rifle.
Amen brother. Thanks. From Morgan County Tennessee.
Only the powder is loaded from the breach, u still muzzle load the slug
@@brettmatthias7094 doesn’t matter. TN says it ALL has to be loaded at the muzzle. And has specifically stated that this system has been deemed illegal for muzzle loading season.
@@brettmatthias7094 VA has also made the same determination
Legal in MD
Great job you made a shotgun.....lol
I have developed a new cartridge for muzzleloading rifles which is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly.
This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge.
This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug.
I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
CZcams video: “Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge: Product Debut (short version)”
Um.........that is a cartridge........you even said so..........
Just get a slugbarrel
called it a cartridge, just add projectile and be done with it.
One question: Why? I guess this is great for people who want to believe that this is "black powder" shooting, but they are kidding themselves. If you just want to cheat the intent of primitive hunting seasons, then this will do the job, but if you really want to shoot black powder, buy yourself a flintlock from Clay Smith, Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading or any of the other great American small businesses that make and sell the real thing.
So the plastic "hull" thing is non reloadable.... That ridiculous.....
I might aswell as shell(pardon the pun) out a bit more a get a Smith carbine.....
That was made over a hundred years ago... same Idea.... Better Idea and gun......
Sad, this being from a major manufacturer....
This is the end of muzzleloading. This is a modern firearm. It crosses the line. States should not consider this at all for muzzle seasons.
Ok well what do you think about depth finders for fishing?
Clown, the projectile is loaded from the muzzle, so by definition it is 100% a muzzleloader
States started the arms race by separating out a muzzloading season. So long as you give muzzeloader hunters extra hunting time or areas you will have people who will get all the advantage they can.
@@sethmahnken6278 but the powder isn’t loaded from the barrel it’s loaded from the breach. So technically, it’s a breach loaded weapon. Because if you look at it like this, there are three components when it comes to firing a muzzleloader, there is the primer which is often loaded at the bridge either on a nipple or a whole cut out for the primer to fit there is the powder charge and the projectile. Both the primer and the power charge or loaded from the breach, but the projectile is loaded from the muzzle which is kind of silly. So overall, this is a breach loaded black powder weapon. I don’t care if it’s legal or not legal in my state it doesn’t concern me one bit because I’m not going to buy one because I think they’re just plain dumb. It’s missing the whole point of primitive weapons. Muzzleloading isn’t for everybody. For people that would be interested in this type of weapon. Sadly, muzzleloading isn’t for them. Which I understand it. I would just hope that they would invest their money into a modern firearm and not a breech loaded black powder gun. But for the ones that do were just looking to milk a few extra weeks out of the season.
Muzzleloader NOT!
Not muzzleloading by any stretch of the imagination
Projectile is loaded from the muzzle, clown. 🤡🤡 🤡
Not impressed,now you have to buy another rifle to accommodate the charge no deal I’ll stick with my muzzle loader with a breech just take care of it and clean it then no problems !
So its not muzzle loading
Oh, for Christ's sake. Where I come from, they call that a "cartridge". I'm just glad most states have seen through the silliness and are now specifying "primitive" hunting seasons, so Fudds can't use "muzzleloader" seasons to game a few extra hunting weeks out of the system.
Shut up if you're so hard-core then use a bow and don't touch a firearm.
Yep Pennsylvania has a Flintlock only season. No inlines, or precession rifles allowed. Anyone who thinks Archery is harder then Flintlock hunting has obviously never or rarely fired one lol. I never seen a bow miss fire or need to keep the powder dry 🤣.
Projectile is loaded from the muzzle, therefore 100% a muzzleloader. 🤡🤡 🤡
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This is an absolutely terrible idea. I can’t believe that they are able to convince anyone that it is a good idea to pigeon hole themselves like this. Let’s see why don’t we not only create a “muzzleloader” that can only use one type of propellant, lets also only be able to acquire it from a manufacturer that has proven supply issues. I was disappointed when I couldn’t get Blackhorn 209 and I had to develop a Triple 7 load to hunt with out of my favorite muzzleloader, but I could do so. Without Firesticks you have a pipe with a stock and are headed to the grocery store instead of the treestand. I may not always be able to get the components I want but I can get by, anyone with a NitroFire or CVA’s new Crossfire can stay in camp and cook. No you can’t borrow my spare either. As a side note somebody please develop a competitor to Blackhorn 209 and don’t sell out to Hogdon. I don’t have an issue with Hogdon they make, well now they make, all of my favorite powders and it scares me. I really don’t like having all of my eggs in one basket.
Wow almost like that’s how we came up with firearms😂 this isn’t muzzle loading. I hope they do not legalize this for hunting
Clown 🤡
@@sethmahnken6278 wrong it takes the sport out of muzzle loading
@@maddoxanderson1871 Not everyone cares about some machismo mystical goo-ga about muzzeloading. I'd much rather be using my regular rifle but if there's extra hunting to be had I'll get as close to a modern rifle as I can without breaing the law. Hell the reality is that the extra challenge of muzzleloading mostly comes from the more limited range compared to a centerfire - this doesn't make muzzleloader hunting any easier just less annoying.
“Traditional bullet”?
All I heard was “Patched round ball”
This is sad and pathetic but from a business perspective everyone is selling rapid convenience…I guess the Muzzleloader community is no different.
I’m not convinced one bit. I have a CVA wolf and I shoot round balls. That I make myself. I’m not looking to get thousand yard shots out of a muzzleloader. All I need is 100. I don’t even use the pellets, because it just defeats the purpose of muzzleloading. And also my muzzleloader has iron sights too. I refuse to put a scope on it.
So weak
Not a Traditional muzzle loader? Be real
Either do or don't