Bret Hart Responds To Kevin Nash Claim That Montreal Is A Work!
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"Ask Undertaker, he's one of the last guys still alive who was in the room." Wow, that hit hard...
Sucks. Just watched wrestling with shadows. So much death
Actually, theres a lot of guys still alive that were in the room: taker, Michaels, sgt slaughter, pat Patterson, brisco, shane, triple H, and bret and vince of course. That's 9 people
@@citizenbeeswax7985 pat patterson is gone
This line fucking hit
@@citizenbeeswax7985 Like those people would actually give a straight answer.
Best part of this video. Is that Bret still calls Waltman, 1-2-3 kid .
XANTASTIC My bad
That's who he is though 🤨
@@Jajuan44 he is. But he was called X Pac for alot longer. It's just funny to me lol
During that time when Bret worked for vince there was no "x-pac". During the screwjob the last time Bret and waltman were coworkers he went as the 123 kid. Didn't seem odd to me.
@@Alan-oj3ps Even in WCW Bret still calls him 1-2-3 Kid even though he goes by the character name Syxx Pac.
Too bad Kurt Angle wasn't around when Bret Hart was in his prime. That would have been a good match. Just like Kurt's matches with Chris Benoit.
Yeah I also think Bret v Cm Punk would of been a classic. Bret and Austin is still my favourite feud.
Good is an understatement
simon madi that could’ve been the greatest feud of all time. The Canadian hero vs the American Olympian. Would get the fans heavily invested and of course the matches would be amazing
I've always said that would have been a dream match. Kurt angle vs bret hart Canadian vs American storyline feud build up match. The similarities between the two. Hart technical skills of wrestling training in the hart dungeon and angle Olympic wrestling background
Bret hart vs A.J Styles would have been a good match too if bret was in his prime or if A.J had been around in the wwe during the 80s or 90s
Nash tore his quad watching this
Nah! Nash is sitting laughing at how bitter Bret still is.
What a predictable comment
this joke never gets old lmfaoo
@@BigBidness713 it does when it's said EVERY time Nash is mentioned
Joe Harvey dude that’s disrespectful as hell! Wtf is wrong with you!
"Ask Shawn, you might get a straight answer..."
Hey, that's progress from what Bret *used* to say about Shawn...
I don't think he meant it as a shot against Shawn. More like Shawn doesn't really like talking about it any more than Bret does. So if you ask Shawn about it, he might blow you off, I think is what Bret meant.
Understandably so. Shawn was embarrassed of who he was back then. He was a dick. He's changed now, matured, found religion.
@@Goldenbane Yes. Shawn has moved on and does not dwell on the past.
"you might not get" he says for Shawn
"You might NOT get a straight answer".
Listen again.
If you ever listen to a Kevin nash interview nothing is ever his fault, his ideas were always the best ideas and every idea here has is to put himself over.
He always excelled at the making himself look more amazing than he could ever be but seems to forget that the real legends made their opponents look amazing too. Little rusty there. Should was good at being tall too eh.
Damn f-ing right. And if you listen, the only things he ever talks about are messing with people backstage and his paycheck. Meanwhile his "buddies" repaid him by humiliating him at Wrestlemania XI then taking his spot and embarrassing him at the Hell in the Cell match by fast kicking out of his power bomb (which he himself is butthurt about).
As a older man and even as a kid I know that Brett got screwed and I don’t question his integrity
J Trailer If only Bret had any integrity and did his job.
Screwed my ass. He refused to give up the title under the time limit of his contract. Creative control or not, he didn't get screwed. He was an asshole, and should have given up the belt to whoever Vince wanted him to give it to. End of story.
Archstanton he did offer the belt up. He told Shawn he had no problem putting him over and Shawn said he wouldn’t do the same for him. Shawn did not dispute this Bret said he wanted Shawn to put him over first to have the respect for him and then he’d give Shawn the belt on Monday night raw in Ottawa do your research before you spew this burning commentary bullshit
McMahon thought he doing what he needed to do to save his company getting the title off Brett before he left with it to go to WCW Nitro and throw it in the garbage like Medusa.
Your comment is true but so are the others as Bret’s contract finished on Sunday and Vince saw Madusa bring the belt over and Rick Rude and others appear on Nitro when Vince thought they were staying with him so in his mind, he didn’t know he could trust Bret would do it since they were on the outs. I feel he would have and think how he got screwed was terrible BUT also see that regardless of what Shawn would have done, while working for Vince that last night he should have put Shawn over to respect the biz regardless what he thought of Shawn - that’s what so many others did whether they cared for their opponent or not.
Say what you want about Bret he’s honest his hall of fame speech wasn’t about him it was about his story’s with other guys the mans a legend
@Anglo Commando not true at all. Bret was gonna screw the WWF by going to wcw to begin with
elliott j-s-r A man of integrity doesn’t sleep around on his wife on the road, while his wife is home with his kids. Hart is a fake pos. And living proof that karma really is a bitch.
@@johnclemens5871 no he wasnt. That was just Vince's fears. Bret wouldn't have done that because Bret has integrity unlike vince.
@@joemoore3127 dude plenty of guys who were mostly good ppl have had moments of weakness and slept around. Stop preaching from your high horse like your a saint. As a recovered addict I dont look down on others because all of us have something we've done were not proud of. Doesnt mean were bad ppl. Just means were human. Not perfect princesses like yourself.
John Clemens Vince told Bret to sign with WCW. He was already signed to a huge deal with Vince/WWF. Vince wanted out of the contract so he allowed WcW to talk and negotiate a contract with Bret.
As someone who read Bret's book, I have to believe that if it were a work Bret would have said so in his book. He admitted some very personal things and told some stories most people wouldn't in that book.
@Stephen Greenhorn 25 years later, something would have come out by now. These old wrestlers can't keep their mouths shut, especially when they are as bitter as Bret.
Look at Shawn’s side of the story Bret was dirty too
@@dantedlane2 his real name is Michael Hickenbottom and I wouldn't put too much stock in what that faje votn-again christian moron has to say.
Once a liar, akways a liar.
*Kevin Nash’s career is a work.*
💯
The quad tears weren't however
Still was better than Brets
@@damaged2810 Lol no, he's overrated. He only found succes cause he was friends with Shawn Michaels. Oh and cause he was 7 ft. tall.
@@BobbyJr_ umm NWO
lmfao greatest comment I've read in a long time
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be !
The blest , best there was , the best there is , the best that ever wull be.
The excellence of execution!
Doug Bennett he was electrician
@?? I think Bret said that Dynamite Kid was the best pound-for-pound wrestler he ever wrestled against. But he had major respect for Macho and likewise. I miss Macho.
@?? Nope Brets the greatest but Macho Man Randy Savage is THE King of WrestleMania
Fans can say what they want about Bret Hart. Can't question the man's integrity in the business.
Yes! That's Right. I'm Glad He Lwft The WWE Because Of It.
Put him in his place Bret.
Yusha Memi and every other person who thought the screwjob was work shut up it was not only Nash.
@@kamfisher1714 yeah some people are just idiots .
Kam Fisher Hall also thought it was a work.
I saw bret live in 1995. He wrestled with hakushi. He was my Hero. And still is today. Thank you Bret! :-)
Heck ya, I saw him live back in Philly, 1994 👍🏻
Amazing matches ... im jealous
I was convinced pro wrestling was a true sport back when Bret was in his prime, and facing HBK. Everyone agreed he was the real deal.
It's funny, I was convinced Bret and Austin hated each other for real, which they didn't, and the more I heard JR say Bret and HBK really hated each other, the more I was convinced that they were buddies for real, which they weren't.
Bret is the real deal. True wrestler. As talented and skillful as the wrestlers are today, they focus too much on lame spots. It's more like gymnastics than actual wrestling, and it's not "smart" wrestling either as wrestlers hurt themselves as much as their opponents when they do certain high flying moves.
Bret to me made wrestling real. No other wrestler has ever done that before nor after
@@hugoking9778 True mate so true but I wouldn't say no to Mark Calloway Undertaker he did his bloody great effort making it look real
@@SMSBJM1981 the guy had the inate ability to make every punch and kick look legit. Would never pull up short
The reason the Kliq calls it a Work is so they don't have to address the actual bad things their besties Levesque and Hickenbottom did. Anything to avoid criticizing their buddies indefensible actions.
Nah they are just fucking with Bret.
Their buddies say it wasn't a work. They also maintain their innocence in the matter, but they even say Vince screwed Bret.
I always thought Shawn Michaels name matched his ring name. Never knew until your comment that his last name is "Hickenbottom" until I googled it. Thanks! :)
@@jeremygott7709 Yeah right, Shawn literally states in his book that Vince came to him and Levesque with Hebner the night before Survivor Series because Vince was so petrified that even though Bret said he would never do it, Vince feared that Bret would have walked out with the WWF title belt and shown up on Nitro as the WWF champion.
@Flickspoo Vince was screwed before by people he thought he could trust (Alundra Blaze). Add that to the fact that WWF at the moment was losing the Monday Night War and fighting to survive, it's not hard to see where Vinces mind was. At the end of the day, Bret should have done business. Plain and simple.
As someone who read Shawn Michael’s latest book I could tell it wasn’t a work
I am a huge Bret Hart fan. He was always one of the very best of all time. Bret always gives all he has. I believe Bret as his story has been the name for many years
I went back and rewatched HItman Hart:Wrestling With the Shadows not so long ago. Its crazy how many of the wrestlers featured in the film are no long with us.
I love how he refers to xpac as the 1.2.3 kid lmao
No one really calls him Sean because it would be confusing with Shawn Michaels as alot of the stories involve both. Most people in interviews call him Pac or Kid.
Where can we watch the full interview?
a comeback match in Montreal where Bret beats McMahon to win the belt wudda blown the roof off the arena.
How about telling Kevin Nash that tearing his quads was a work? Let's see how he feels about that.
Rick Rude backed Bret telling Eric (WCW) the Screwjob was real. Rude was a straight shooter. Real.
Mick foley almost quit over it as well.
willjohnboy, true I read that as well.
I dont think it’s a work because Vince couldn’t show his hand without knowing Bret would go along
What this shows me other than the fact Bret Hart is an absolute legend is how much The Undertaker is revered & respected...
Undertaker was livid about it all. I think he almost didnt come to Raw the next night? Foley went on strike about it
how do u watch the full interviews?
I could sit for hours just to hear Bret talk about his experiences in the wrestling world one of the few wrestlers who I've always found true is his word
Glad to see him still to this day.I grew up loving this idolize this wrestler.He truly is “Best there is the best there was ,and the best there ever will be “ Love you Hitman...We know you got screwed
If you seen the look on bret hart's face, and heard the stories of Vince going into bret hart's locker room and bret ended up cold cocking vince you'd know the Montreal screwjob was real. Because in the words of corny jim himself saying whatever you want about wrestling but the Montreal screwjob was real vince really screwed bret hart.
Yeah, the people involved with that were not nearly good enough actors to pull all that off if it was a work. I love the scene of Vince limping away with a swollen red circle around his eye and some blood on his face... definitely not a work/
It wasn't a work. But as usual wrestling a lot of times takes what happens in real life and turns it into a story line. Sometimes the real life stuff is better then anything their writers could come up with
No matter what it was, it was freaking awesome some of the best and most intense moments ever. Classic
Met Bret Hart his such a nice man he'll literally talk to anyone he always gives an honest opinion and tells the truth!!, I Can't say the same about Kevin Nash if you want autograph from him (Scott Hall as well) he'll want you to cough up $200 for it he's all about those double figures, plus the guy is a smack head and refuses to change and there's a lot of wrestlers that don't like him because he lies about them and gets personal.
Bret Hart is one of the very best of all time
@@TheWazperviz Bret did nothing while his own brother shagged a underage girl - that's from his Sister Diana's autobiography. Yeah great guy.
@GoldGravity as much as people say Nash and Hall were money greedy but they were always very respectful towards the wrestling fans
@GoldGravity I agree with your point. I still respect all of them for all they did for wrestling
@GoldGravity well you got them on a good day you know Scott Hall and Bret Hart don't get along because Scott Hall didn't sign autographs for kids back in the 90s there both probably getting the bits soft in there old age because they didn't turn up for autograph signings when I went to house show because they weren't getting paid enough so excuse me if I don't believe you.
I met Earl Hebner in an airport a few years ago and I asked him straight up about this and he flat out said it was a shoot. He said Bret was a "baby" for not wanting to do the "right thing" and that he knew what Shawn was gonna do. Bret is right that Earl is a liar.
I met Earl at a signing , he was being a dick, not sure if he was trying to work the fans into booing him or not. Didnt seem like a good guy.
Bret is a legend my uncles grew up watching him on their tv and loved him just like i love watching him in his prime. Sad that he is the last left of the hart foundation must be hard for him to watch all his family and friends he grew up with slowly pass one by one. Damn death sucks. Love to bret hart legend forever and the whole hart foundation ❤️
Bret Hart is one of the very best of all time. A living legend in my book
Wasim Perviz for real man its sad to say hes the last one left from the hart foundation❤️. Living legend for sure tho
@@youngamar2481 yes but still will always remain a legend
"Ask Undertaker", well maybe we would've if Vince hadn't stomped on his Inside the Ropes show!
I wonder if shawn ever told hhh he banged steph..xpac was there it was in a podicast and eraesed the next day..
"Who is your daddy Montreal ?" - Shawn Michaels
Who's your boy toy Vince? -pill head Micheals
@@danielm3089 Jealous Canadians. Bret wishes for Mic skills, charisma, good lucks and being over.
In reality Bret screwed Bret,you don't just finish your contract with the WWF title, you lay down for the next champ.
@@jayjones9108 he drew more than hbk, plus hbk started the bad blood refusing to drop the title to Bret a thing hbk always did back then before he found God and after he lost his smile nobody has vacated more titles than hbk also Bret had his share of female fans as well.
@J P as wwe champion Bret drew more money Bret was a better wrestler but hbk was a better superstar.
@@willjohnboy Actually Bret didn't draw any better than Shawn. In fact 94 was the worst year in house show attendance for WWF and that was while Bret Hart was champion for most of that year. Then you have 95...which is the all time worst financial year in company history. They almost went bankrupt. The champions that year were Diesel and Bret Hart.
I remember as a kid waiting in line to see Bret Hart vs Owen Hart in a No Holds Barred match. Everyone in line was excited about it. It was all they kept advertising for weeks on tv. It was the first time the WWF was in town. It was packed. the show lasted for 5 and half hours because they taped 5 WWF SUperstars episodes. a one hour show on Saturdays back then. the last half hour was a dark match between Undertaker and IRS. Anyway, about 2 and a half hours into the show the match was about to start. Out comes Owen accompanied by Jim The Anvil Neidhart. When bret came out and into the ring, they jump outside and they started to strategize. at least that's what it looked like. Bret then quickly ran and slid under the ring and attacked The Anvil knocking him down. then he went after Owen. Anvil attacked bret from behind and bret fell. Owen and Anvil took off to the back. Bret then got up, shook his head, put his hands on his hips and looked upset. then he walked quickly to the back. That was it. The match never happened and everyone was so pissed off. Luckily the next match was Diesel vs Shawn Michaels and that shut everyone up. Funny thing is that when it aired on tv, they made it look like after Bret went backstage he went after Owen and started hitting him but once again Anvil made the save and they took off out of the building. It wasn't even the same building. they shot all that in some other location. although it was cool being on tv for 5 Saturdays in a row. we were near the ring so we kept being on camera. there were some people at school that actually thought that I along with my brother and friends were constantly going every weekend to a show.
Haha cool story. Annoying about the lack of match though.
I saw him do one of these interview sessions at the Rio Theatre in Vancouver a couple years ago. Is This from The Rio???
Honestly, I didn't want to go. I hadn't been into wrestling since WCW died. But my friend dragged me to it and I was really happy she did.
The Hitman. Still my hero!
Kevin Nash and Scott Hall don’t know what to say anymore to stay relevant. 🙄
Bret is from the old school era where the mentality is: "Maintain kayfabe at all costs."
Exactly I think it's a work I did back then when I watched it live as well
...and believe in Santa. 🤪
Nah! I love Bret Hart but don't act like he didn't let us know *"How Pro Wrestling worked from behind the scenes"* The Great Bobby Heenan said once that everything is exposed, the magic trick is gone so there isn't no reason trying to pretend anymore.. Kayfade was dying in the 1980s and completely died in the late 1990s..
Richard Bognar has "Razor Ramon" written on his headstone. Tha's what I call maintaining kayfabe.
The way Vince looked as he walked out of that locker room after getting knocked out. You can tell for sure, it wasn’t a work
I've always respected Bret, God bless him. Hart family is royalty. We remember you Owen. R.I.P King...
It's interesting that Bret said Undertaker was one of the only people still alive who was in the room when it happened. It shows how many wrestlers have died since. Owen, Bulldog, Anvil, and so on.
so good to see him so well,can't even tell he had a stroke..what a champ
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that. It makes me really happy, because I care about him. Thank you for pointing it out
At this point if it was a work then it was the absolute greatest work there ever was. So either way he is a winner 👍
I saw that match live on ppv when it happened in 1997. Everything happened so fast it was like, "what the fuck just happened??".. The ppv went off the air pretty quick after it happened.
Fraevo10 factz it had such a huge build up it was surreal the way it ended .
Who are we going to believe? Bret Hart, or Earl "I get fired for selling bootleg merch" Hebner?
D Bone I never heard Earl claim it was a work, everything I heard was is that he was in on it. But Bret knew they something was up and confronted Earl. Even made him promise he wasn’t going to pull anything
@Grant420 If by "turned his back on" you mean do what his boss advised him to do and he would be stupid not to do" then yes.
@@dbone3356 vince said that, because he wasnt gonna pay Hitman what WcW was.. It made no sence to bleed the company.. Letting Brett go was Vinces smartest move.. It made way for the Attitude era Hart never supported which got WWF/E back on top.
Brett let his ego stand in the way.
@@inaaronshead7331 Exactly. Vince told him he couldn't hold up the deal he had recently made with Bret for 20 years and to go to WCW. So he did. How is that turning his back on the fans?
@@dbone3356 thats the one part I never get "turning his back on the fans". Its not like he completely quit wrestling and buried everyone.
He simply went to another company.. And I hate to break it to people, but every and anu company is competition, just because WcW was iyse biggest still dont mean nothing.
I believe the entire thing, they’re humans... things like this happen.
Bret worked himself into a shoot.
A sharp'shoot'er
Well, it was a work, just that everyone was in on it except Brett, and many other people weren't informed until the last moment.
Bret knew it was a work and his exit to WCW and the work actually worked out great in his home town.
0:22 exactly my opinion, particularly of the Clique
The Hart family has gone through a lot of trauma over the years. Brett is a legend! Love you Brett
After Nash called Guerrero & Benoit vanilla midgets I lost all respect for him now hearing all this confirms it all!
If you think a 5'9, 210 pound athletic muscular man is a "midget", then you are an idiot.
Why though? They were vanilla midgets who never drew (hence why Guerrero is the lowest drawing WWE Champion of all time and Benoit is like the third or 4th lowest total) and it wasn't just Nash who called them vanilla midgets, basically everybody at WCW called them that, since they might have been talented in the ring, but lacked charisma, mic skills and drawing power. It was Mike Graham who basically coined the term vanilla midgets for them.
@@melaniel.4269 where are you getting your numbers from? Based on everything I read, NAsh, Michaels, and Hart are the worst drawing champs.
This is because they were the "faces" of the company coming out of the steroid era and people stopped watching
@@jeffnowak3144 You can easily compile your own data from available sources, namely the Wrestling Observer, the PWTorch and websites like historyofwwe, 2xzone, indeedwrestling and others.
And i don't know what you read, but it's absurd to think that Nash, HBK and Hart were the worst draws. I think their drawing power is shown alone in the fact that in 1996 they were the main event pairing for a MSG House Show and they sold out the arena. The impressive thing about it? It was the first time since 1989, that the WWF managed to sell out a MSG House Show!
When you just go by House Show drawing power, Nash got an average of 4,464. Bret Hart averaged 3,703, 4,870, 5,184 and 5,899. HBK 5,169, 4,753.
Compare that to Eddie Guerrero with just 2,591 and Chris Benoit (3,017). Benoit actually "only" ranks 6th worst currently, because Booker T (2,630), Brock Lesnar (first reign, 2,974), Kurt Angle (4th - 2931) drew worse and Kofi Kingston currently sits at an average around 3,000 and will join them as one of the lowest drawing ever.
Of course House Shows aren't the ultimate argument, but they are a very good indicator, about wether somebody actually draws or not, since you usually go to non-televised Shows because of the Champion. Hence why Hogan averaged 10,323 during the 334 House Shows he main evented in his first reign or why Austin drew 14,307 in 11 Shows during his 3rd reign. Of course, Wrestling in general being red hot will lead to higher audiences, but considering wrestling was dead between 1993-1996, when Nash, Hart and HBK were Champions, while wrestling was still very popular during the reigns of Eddie and Benoit, the numbers in comparison do say a lot.
Also the whole "Nash was the worst drawing Champion" was a made up thing of the WWF during the Monday Night War in an attempt to hurt Nash in WCW. I mean back then both companies took shots at each other (like the WWF Magazine having that "Hulkamania is dead and buried" article in June 1994 just as Hogan was set to debut in WCW or of course WCW doing the whole "The Wrestlemania 3 Attendance number was fake!" thing, Meltzer fell so badly for (and some marks still believe it))
Also keep in mind that the fallout of the scandals led to a lot of merchandise companies dropping their deals with the WWF. MB did so for Board and Card games, Hasbro terminated the Action Figure deal and all the Trading Card companies (like Merlin, Action Packed and Swanson) terminated their deals well. You can't draw merchandise money if there's no merchandise to sell.
You can also go over the PPV numbers, keep in mind that in the 90's not only less people lived in the US but also less people had access to PPV compared to 10 years later.
Nash did draw OK numbers. For example the Rumble 1995 (Nash - HBK) got 225,000 buys, higher than the Rumble 1994 (200,000). The SummerSlam 1995 was all about Nash and got 205,000 buys, higher than the 1996 one (157,000), and maybe one big reason why the buyrate for the KotR1995 was so bad (150,000), was the fact that due to an injury, Nash wasn't on the show at all. The In your House PPVs did bad numbers but you have to keep in mind that they were also seen as B-Grade, unimportant PPVs and people still needed to adjust to more PPVs and having to fork over more money. By the time Eddie and Benoit were champions, the (in my mind silly) concept of "A PPV every month" was long established and accepted.
In fact, given the state of wrestling and especially the WWF at the time, with the aftermath of the Sex and Steroid scandals, Nash did shockingly good, especially given the fact that he completely sucks in the ring. I still don't really understand how he got so popular in North America.
Now if we go over Eddie and Benoit, we have to start with Eddie winning the belt at No Way Out against Lesnar, the buyrate was catastrophic: 265,000 buys, way lower than the previous year (450,000) and lower than the following PPVs like Backlash (320,000). On average WWE sold about 450,000 PPVs that year, so that was way, way, below average already. Wrestlemania XX did 885,000 buys, which sounds good at first glance but WWE expected at least 1 million buys, considering it was the "20th anniversary" (not really but who cares) and they hyped Eddie and Benoit quite hard. It was the same as the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania 6, everybody expected Hogan - Warrior to shatter all buyrate records - and yet it didn't.
Then we got to Judgment Day (Eddie vs. JBL as main event for the belt) which got only 235,000 buys, the second lowest (lowest was the last one in 2008 with 228,000) Judgment Day Buyrate ever and back then quite a shock (2003 got 315,000 and 2005 265,000 buys)
Also the Smackdown ratings got lower during his reign, while they only dropped by about 0.2 rating points, it's still a decline.
We can also look at Benoit as Champion: He wasn't even really pushed, at Bad Blood he took second row to the Hell in a Cell match, the PPV still did a bad number of just 235,000 buys, down from the 285,000 the previous year. The next event was Vengeance, he main evented against Triple H and it got 240,000 buys, the lowest buyrate for Vengeance (2003 did 365,000, 2005 got 420,000). The Raw Ratings took also quite the nose dive under his reign. The Raw after WMXX got a 4.5 (but the real average to that point was 3.8), by May the rating hovered at around 3.5 with the lowest being a 3.2 for the May 31 episode. After Orton got the belt, the ratings went slightly back up to around 3.5 . Let's also not forger the well known failure of the massively hyped WWE RAW episode from July 26, which was built up all around a 60 Minute Iron Match between Benoit and HHH - it got a pathetic 3.6.
Of course Eddie & the others got higher numbers total, but you just have to look at the decline. Losing 20,000 buys is a lot less impactful than having 150,000 to 200,000 buys lesss.
Sadly, there are no proper merchandise numbers, because that would be also interesting to see, if Eddie actually really sold a lot of merchandise before his death (he surely did afterwards, that's what happens when celebrities die, they get hoisted up to godlike legend status and suddenly everybody has always been a big fan)
As for WCW: It's hard to compile numbers there, since Eddie never was World Champion and Benoit only for 1 day. He won the belt in the main event of Souled Out 2000, which got an abysmal byrate of just 115,000 (at that point the lowest WCW PPV Buyrate since Starrcade 1995!) but i rather blame Russo and his shit booking for that, the numbers were in free fall once he took over. Both also never were the main event attraction of House Shows, so it's quite difficult to actually see if they were more than "vanilla midgets".
If we look over the royalties, they made in WCW from Merchandise and Licensing, the picture gets really bleak though. Eddie made 1 dollar in 1997 (i just had to point that out, since it's so absurd) from the merchandise bonus and 87 dollars total until he left. Chris Benoit got 156 Dollars. We can compare it to others: Rey Mysterio Jr. in the same time frame got 2,125 dollars, The Giant 1,691 dollars, Konnan made 5,396, Nash 13,237, Sting110,844 and Hogan $176,072. When it comes to licensing royalties, Eddie made $86,040, Benoit 110,448, Mysterio $65,541, Konnan 99,004, Giant $201,210, Nash $531,290, Sting 1,033,467 and Hogan 1,505,271. All those numbers were released by Turner Broadcasting during the racial discrimination lawsuit launched by Sonny Onoo in court, so they are legit.
So based on that alone, you can conclude that they weren't draws, otherwise they would've made a lot more money from their shirts, action figures, video game appearances and other stuff.
Anyway, this should make it a little more clearer as to why i say they didn't draw and were failures.
And sorry that it's such a long read, i wanted to go in detail and not just say "They never drew and i know it".
@@atticus5106 5'9 lmfaoooo yeah they're midgets
well said
notice the applause when Brett talked about knocking McMahon out lol..if it wasnt a work,why was Michaels so hesitant to see Undertaker?
The only thing that needs to be different for it to have been a work is Bret needs to know it's going to happen. Everyone else could have been kept in the dark about Bret knowing, keeping that in mind, I can see Vince bringing this to Bret at the 11th hr as the last great work in wrestling history and both parties taking it to the grave.
Highly unlikely but it wouldve been brilliant.
Bret was never really the same after what happened that night in Montreal
Ya... I read his book (awesome btw). The next few years after that was like 5+ years of bad road him. The shit he wrote about made me literally cry.
@@stucazzo2000 Your right I would say his autobiography was the best out of any other wrestlers I read, your right it seemed like everything fell apart after that from his awful wcw run, owen's accident then that kick from goldberg
Taker was the only one that stood up to Vince for Bret that night.
I’ve always found it fascinating that there are people who genuinely believe that the entire thing was a work. It should be notable that the only people you hear pumping that theory are guys who weren’t there at the time. It’s always people who were in other companies when it happened. But even if you wanted to believe it being a work after all these years the only way you can see it that way is if you decide to force yourself to see it that way because there’s no logical sense to believe that it was this entire time.
The easiest reason you know it isn’t s work is the fact that of everybody who was intimately involved in the details they’ve never wavered in its legitimacy. Even people involved who would look better if it happened to actually be a work instead of doing what they did here. If this was a work it would be better for a Shawn to be able to say that he never lied to Bret about his involvement in this because it was all a storyline that they portrayed being real for awhile to benefit the show. It’s telling that not one person who would benefit from it being a work has come out to say it was.
We also know historically wrestlers don’t keep secrets. The notion that this was a work and nobody came out to expose it over the 20+ years since it happened is unthinkable. It would even benefit Bret to come out about it being s work. He would be able to show that he wasn’t ever “bitter” or refused to lose but that he was the perfect company man and went through this story and held things together for awhile to do better business for everybody. But you’ve never heard that because it was legitimate. If it was a work the idea that someone like Bret wouldn’t have said so in his book is laughable. Bret owned up to a lot of negative stuff in his book like taking steroids, doing drugs, cheating on his wife and so on. The idea that he’d be willing to talk about all of those things that aren’t positives but wouldn’t be willing to say this was a work if it had been is silly. Whether people like it or not it was genuine - it probably could’ve been a work and may have been acceptable for Bret to do it that way but they could’ve never risked presenting the idea because if he disagreed with it then they’d not have had a way to make sure the belt switched. It’s pretty simple to understand if you aren’t committed to finding a sexier story than what truly occurred.
Before I even watch this. It was definitely not a work. There are so many factors to prove it. However the number one factor in my analyzation is the footage of Bret's wife scolding Hunter in the documentary "wrestling with shadows". That woman is NOT an actress. Those were genuine emotions. That moment (along with the whole damn documentary) was genuine. That shit was all real. A person who is in tune with their self and others would wholeheartedly agree. Shawn knew too. I can hear it in his voice that he's lying when he told Brett otherwise. You don't think Vince McMahon told Shawn Michaels what was going to go down? and yes I've seen the interview with Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart sitting side-by-side. Shawn Michaels is a piece of s**t.
Julie Hart called it I remember when she said to HHH and hbk: "God will strike you down." A couple months later: Shawn has his back injury which forced him to retire for a few years, then HHH tears his quad (twice) and lost nearly 2 years of his career.
@@marcpower4167 They are still up and running in the best modes of their lives
Triple H got a billionaire's daughter. Shawn's got a job in WWE
people they screwed are screwed for actual in life
that's how world works
@@marcpower4167 Years later Brets career ends and HBK and HHH return to wrestle and HHH is soon to run the company.
Razor and Diesel skipping off to WCW that was work
Atif Saeed agree. Vkm sent them down there.
@@misterunperfect4438 he also sent Hogan
That’s funny that Bret mentioned the 10 year thing, didn’t he have like some long ass decade deal for that amount of time? Also during his doc Wrestling W/ Shadows there’s an odd scene of him with his gym trainer and they’re talking about Bret’s age and his remaining time in the business or something, but the trainer goes “I think he’s got about 10 years left in em” paraphrasing here but he had like a coy smirk and Brett did the same. Who knows
It’s bizarre that Nash, Hall and Waltman would lie about the Screwjob being a work. All 3 guys HAD to have spoken to Shawn and Triple H in the days and weeks after it happened. These guys would talk on the phone when they were split up in WCW and WWF. I don’t understand why they continue to lie.
Bret believed that a loss to Shawn in Montreal would have killed the hitman character. Could have easily just had Shawn win by interference or cheating and it wouldn't have hurt Bret's credibility at all. There was absolutely ways to have Shawn win AND have Bret look good in the process. Bret's one of the greatest of all time...but he was being extremely uncooperative and didn't really need to be.
So? When did boy toy ever drop a belt the right way? That cock eyed fuck is unprofessional as fuck
It was more then just dropping the belt. Bret and shawn hated each other. Shawn said he wouldn't put over bret in the past. So bret wasnt happy to put shawn over. Shawn was a cunt and bret didnt wanna loose to him in his home town.
Would you really be happy to loose to your real life rival in your home town??
@@danielm3089 This isn't about defending Shawn Michaels because his 90's attitude was total garbage...but seeing as Bret considered Vince like a dad to him he should of thought of it as doing business for Vince ( the guy who made him a star). The difference between Michaels and Hart was that in Hart's situation he was LEAVING to go work for the rival company and make more money in the process. When you're leaving to go work somewhere else, you put the guy over that is staying...bottom line. Everyone in the wrestling business goes by that code. I like Bret...but he backed his boss into a corner...so you gotta deal with whatever happens.
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Montreal isn't Bret's hometown. It isn't even his home Province.
It doesn't matter what Shawn did or said to Bret. It isn't Shawn's company. Its Vince's company and Vince wanted the title dropped to Shawn in Montreal. Period.
Bret should have been the bigger man, swallowed his pride and done business the right way.
@@m3shad
Bret has such a huge following in Canada not just in his hometown calgary.
I think there is alot more to it then just be the bigger man and drop the belt. I may be incorrect but I'm sure bret said he will drop it the next night on raw???
Also shawn had fucked over so many people in those days he was such a cunt I can see why bret hart didnt wanna loose to Shawn in canada. The same shawn Michaels who said he will NEVER put over bret hart.
The best work there is, the best work there was, and the best work there ever will be
nick b They’ll never admit it though!
If it was a work, Bret would have came back in 1999.
I know Bret Hart says it wasn't a work but I think he knew about the alternative ending of him tapping out to Shawn but didn't agree with going through with it. That's why when it happened, he was shocked they would stab him in the back. No matter how you slice it, if you were a wrestling fan in the late 80's, early 90's, Bret Hart was the man! The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.
A very logical explanation from Bret, makes absolute sense💯
It was a work alright, but Bret wasn't in on it. That's my summary over the years. They knew roughly what would happen.
Exactly.
I mean ... that's why it's call a screwjob. It was planned but kept secret to everybody but a select few.
I am reading Bret's book at the moment and I think he is really saying what he think is the truth when he speaks. But he can only say his side of the story.
He wanted a certain outcome , but Vince needed the show to go on without Bret since he was leaving. Vince had to do a call, and that was it.
In any case, doesn't matter, I'm not gonna pity Bret, he made plenty of money, and all of this made for pretty good entertainment . Everybody wins, even Brett in the end.
Yes it was a work by triple H , hunter, Vince and a couple others, so basically it was shoot. I'm not sure what you are trying to say lol
@John Volken exactly
It was a worked shoot I think Cornette said, they screwed Bret
Bret looking and sounding like stu more and more theses days..
One of the greatest wrestlers ever and his whole career was screwed from Montreal to Wcw and Goldberg ending his career then followed by a stroke this man is a legend and a great person all round the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be
Ironic how the undertaker was last man alive in the room
The best there is , The best there was and the best there ever will be... Bret the Hitman hart
I agree with Sean Waltman to an extent, you have to be pretty stupid if you didn't think they'd pull a fast one.
I think since Vince was so much like a dad to every one it's kinda hard to even think he would pull a fast one like he did. But I agree from an outsider looking In point of view.
Waltman has said in a shoot interview that Shawn once talked about it as if it was a work, and that Hunter got pissed because he wasn't in on it. Might have been Shawn stirring things up though.
@@chrisrichards2350 Uh, so you never heard of the screwjob he did to Wendi Richter? You never hear of all the other shit he pulled? Damn, you must be a mark :D
@@aaronneville1164 Yes, but if you think about it, Hebner is not needed to call a submission when Vince is there, he can ring it himself.
Why Bret would agree to a Sharpshooter is the question. Naive as Waltman said.
@@chrisrichards2350 No. Hart was in front of the door Nails fought Vince, and accused him of sexually assaulting him.
Next November it will be 25 years since it happened and it's still being discussed today
Looks like a work to me. The drawing of the WCW in air seemed too contrived. Why would they not cut to a diff camera angle at that time.
Love this man,end Kevin's career dude
Glad Goldberg ended Bret's career. Karma is a bitch and Bret got what he deserved.
Nash has had a better career after wrestling than Bret .
@@joeharvey8195 nice that you wanted him to get hurt lmao
@@MrJjburgess11 Ok and lmao
@@joeharvey8195 karma for what exactly?
The Montreal screwjob it's one of "the most disgusting ever done by Vince McMahon," knowing the type of man Bret the Hitman Hart was a man of Honor and a man of good strong character
G-MAC Johnson no it’s not shut the hell up, even Bret Hart dad Stu knew Bret was being selfish, the champion doesn’t wanna do a job when he’s leaving the company ? Back in the territory days they would’ve done the same thing to Bret shut up
Fluke I know people just don’t know the wrestling business.
A man of honor and strong character? He was fucking ring rats behind his wife's back for years
Dude refused to do his job which was put over Michaels
He refused to lose the match because it was in his hometown
Fuck off
Fuck him
very few agree with me, but bret is in my top 5 talkers all time for me. he spoke honest & he may not word wise sound as good as other talkers or as convincing but the way he speaks is great
Grant420 exactly but it sounds great. whereas heyman or jericho who are both considered great come across too forced & jericho is well known for having bad body odour
As upsetting the screw job was for Bret he should be proud he didn’t lose to Shawn in a recognisable fashion and he proved to everyone he is a man of integrity that doesn’t kiss ass.
Highly doubt it was a work
He said he wished it was and he came back 10 years later to beat up vince and came back 12-13 years later to have that match at wrestlemania
Most of the Kliq seem to think it was, but I don't see why Bret would still act the way he does about it if it was.
How's El Dandy tho?
He's a jam up guy!
Who are we to doubt.
Nash wasn't the first one to say that
Bret Hart, my all time fav wrestler. Started to watch him as a kid in the early 90s and loved him right away for his passion. He never was the big talker but he never had to be. Bret was in the business because he fckn loved the sport! It's so sad that vince ended his carrer way too early... first montreal, after that wcw missused him completely, goldberg... we know the story. Lost owen and all that shit. Bret is so strong, especially inside and everybody should pay respect to that!
Jesus help you. Bret is your best wrestler. HBK, Stone cold Flair are the mount Rushmore
@bob morane Easiest way for a heel to be hated in any country is to just diss it.
This guy is top 3 all time a true ring general
The best there was the best there is and the best there will ever be
Yeah no, not even close.
Needs to show these younger wrestlers how to wrestle a match. Half of them don’t know what the hell they are doing.
1.22 to 1.24. Dude changes his mind 2 times in TWO seconds.
It was a work. Bret Hart is just playing along.
Bret punched and spit on Vince's face after which left the company and then a year and a half later Vince killed Bret's brother Owen Hart which Wwe was found guilty of being responsible in a court of law causing Brett to stay away from WWe for years but yea it was all a "work".
I have always thought this... 1. Killed Owen for Brett to live with it and 2. Killed him for that botched move on Stone Cold
killer work
What really is a work is the functionality of Kevin Nash's knees lol.
nash just trying to stir the pot for attention. as usual.
In my opnion I always thought Bret Hart was the best in ring talent there was he moved like a big cat smooth and agile and fast his feet did not appear to even touch the mat .he looked like he hit like a bull as well
Better than the way Savage or Steamboat moved? idk id say its close
Bret Hart makes comment..... Wrestling world freaks and marks the hell out.... Publicity job done. Love how Bret can work people.
i think the story behind was Vince wanted bret to lose from HBK and Bret refuse to do so. And than Vince decided to screw him for the title. You can tell everyone was on it except Bret and Micheals who had no idea what happened. If i remember correctly even hbk was surprise from ring bell 2 seconds after sharpshooter and refree just ran out.
Bret>>>>>>>HBK
Lol no
Shawn could wrestle and had charsima
Shawn is better
And I thought that kev tearing his quads were a gimmick and it was a work
He just happened to be filming a documentary at the time.
The doc was planned ahead of time so this theory is also bullshit
A true wrestling legend who was screwed threw most of his career my favourite wrestler of all time respect to Bret and his whole family
Dam, I didn't know it still hurts Brett to talk about it. You can tell he is serious when he speaks about it.