Does God Accept ALL TYPES of Worship?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 08. 2022
- Does the Bible say that God accepts all types or forms of worship? Is it acceptable to use instruments? Is it right to use only your voice? How did the Christians in the New Testament worship? What did the Bible authorize when it comes to how we are suppose to worship God? Thanks for watching Episode 5 of Season 3!
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So many times people say they can worship God any way they want. Doesn't God want us to be happy, failing to understand that we want to make God happy.
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Great topic!
Keep sharing exactly what the Bible says.
No more and no less.
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I still want to hear the whole story of the girl who said she could have a cage match in worship.
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Women remaining silent is more than just because itâs ârespectful,â thatâs because creation order (11-14). Itâs the same reason for 1 Cor. 11:8-9. Divine reasons are age-lasting.
Iâd love to see an outline of the NT pattern of worship and the authority reference for each element.
Worship has to be done in a "Holy" manner and in a Holy setting...humbling ourselves to the MOST HIGH so that we can enter His Holiness â€â€â€
Keep up the long episodes love it
David "Praised" God. David "Worshiped" God. I think a Podcast on this would clarify what Praise is and what Worship is.
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Great analogy there!
2 Tim 3 âAll scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good worksâ
All means allâŠ.. so when we examine the OT we can use what we see and apply it to our worship today, for our time as well. So often people say that because the NT basically doesnât address worship specifically, that we really donât have any prescribed manner in which to do it today. I vehemently disagree. Actually if you read through the New Testament you will see the phrase the âtabernacle of DavidââŠ. What is that and what did David do there? I believe scripture and the psalms shows he worshipped there. Actually it references David going in and sitting before the presence of the LordâŠ.. Where was the manifest presence of God? The ark. Only the high priest could do this, so I believe that scripture shows David had access even though he was not a Levitical priest. He did this through worship which is a model for the New Testament believer. When the Psalms speak of clapping your hands, and singing, and making in Joyful Noise, I believe that is all prescriptive methods on worship. Nadab and Abihu were killed for offering strange fire, and the scripture also tells us that God is the same yesterday today and forever, so if throughout the entire old Testament he expecting things to be done a certain way, and even killed Nadab and Abihu, as well as Uzza for stretching out his hand and touching the ark, Iâm pretty sure he still has an opinion on how worship is supposed to be done and that there is a manner, and boundaries in which it is expected to be done. Obviously there are things that may change within the boundaries based on cultural differences, times, etc⊠(ie pianos werenât around, but string instruments are specifically mentioned so it would fall within that category). The main issue is that you guys are spot on, in that we now have young people saying that you can cage fight on stage and that is worship unto the Lord. That just shows how pervasive and absurd is the erroneous, false doctrine that is the idea that you can worship God however you want. It has never been that way since the beginning of time with many examples throughout scripture showing us that. It is patently absurd to think that the God who never changes is somehow now of a different mindset with regards to how we are to worship him. Itâs interesting to note as well that the only time the scripture says God is seeking something, in the entire Bible, is when Jesus tells the woman at the well he is seeking worshipers who will worship him in âspirit and in truthâ everyone likes to talk about the spirit part but no one likes to discuss that there must be truth in our worship. Not your truth or my truth but THE truth.
Excellent points.
Something from NT that has truly convicted me. 1 Cor 11:1 âFollow my example as I follow the example of Christâ
Paul then immediately goes into when Praying or Prophesying of covering or uncovering your head based on the two genders.
The main reason - 1 Cor 11:10 âIt is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.â
Because of the Angels - Blows my mind away that this is the reason. I usually think of things in earthly terms but as followers of the Lord we must according to Jesus worship in spirit and in truth.
John 4:24 âGod is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.â Must means you have to, it is not an option. A direct command from Jesus to his disciples about how to worship God.
Hebrews 12:22-29
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,
23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, âOnce more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.â
27 The words âonce moreâ indicate the removing of what can be shaken-that is, created things-so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
29 for our âGod is a consuming fire.â
Plainly put, we all need to repent in our worship (public & private) of our Lord.
Iâve been trying to reconcile the instrumental worship issue for months. When you use the argument of silence, you say we canât use the Old Testament to justify instruments. Yet here you are using Old Testament examples to justify acceptable worship-the place that commands the use of instruments. I sense a significant amount of eisegeses going on. Iâm honestly wanting to do the right thing, but Iâm having a very hard time justifying silence as evidence of anything. âBe silent where the Bible is silent in not in the Bible.â Iâm a church of Christ worship leader of over 20 years.
They used the Old Testament to show Godâs attitude toward manâs behavior, not to show what Godâs commands are for today.
You are right. There is a lot of eisegesis going on here. The use of Eph 5:19 and Col 3 to say acapella singing in worship alone is a major stretch. First of all the context is daily living not patterns for worship. SEcondly the root of the word psalm is to pluck or twitch a string on an instrument. In fact psalm, ode, and hymn are used for our singing. I am yet to hear any delineation of the differences. Psalm was used with the understanding that the 1st century Jews had of what a psalm was. Old testament worship used psalms played with instrumental music. (psalm 150 and many more passages) That was perfectly acceptable to God. Now you hear that psalm changed its meaning in the new testament.????? This issue has been used to divide the body of Christ. God help us to be united rather than divided. Additionally many other issues have brought division, I.E. singing solos, christmas/easter celebrations, one cup vs. many, etc. Let us worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, and truth demands proper exegesis and not arbitrarily making statements not substantiated by biblical facts.
Did you give scripture that says we should not use instruments in our worship? I listened carefully, but didnât catch it. God bless!
There are verses authorizing singing (Eph 5:19, Col 3:16). There are no verses authorizing playing instruments in New Testament worship. If so, please provide them.
@@soundpreacher The context of those two passages is daily living not patterns for worship. Please be consistent. The root of psalm is tied to instruments. Also I have a question, "If you speak to one another in psalms, do you use psalm 150?"
What are your thoughts on home churches?
Seems very Biblical to me. Probably more so then a megachurch.
The Bible doesnât say that Cane brought the best or the first of his harvest.God always requires the first. I think thatâs why Canes offering wasnât excepted. It wasnât the first.âïž
I see know Biblical authorization for a pitch pipe in worship. What chapter and verse authorizes this ? It looks like to me that the COC assumed that God would accept the pitch pipe. The Bible is silent on pitch pipes.... so NO pitch pipes.
When does someone use the pitch pipe? Itâs before the singing, not during or instead of.
Okay, so we get rid of paperless hymnals, song books, pew bibles, buildings to worship in, no pews, no pulpits, powerrpoint presentations and lights where we worship. Those are aids in worship not disobedience. We would have to throw out black boards, bathrooms, etc. If you feel that pitch pipes are not authorized, go to your preacher and discuss it with him. The bible is silent on many things, but we use the Book of Romans to find expediency. There is no scripture to authorize the specific hour we are to worship, etc.
@@thedynamicsolo4232 I really could care less about the pitch pipe. The point that I am making is that when you start down the road of legalism it never ends. You can find something wrong with everything if you want to. If you are going to slam people for music, then DONT use the pitch pipe and then condemn everyone else. The COC is certainly not above reproach as the COC thinks. I know too many of the COC members and the lifestyles that they lead. It isnt good .
@@thedynamicsolo4232 Hearing the singing of some congregations, believe me, music is an expedient! It helps with staying in tune, harmony, timing, etc. When did it become something that stood on its own, and who decided that?
If a male is not available, a woman can lead but she must cover her head to show submission
No. When you come to the altar of sacrifice if you have aught against your brother... leave your offering at the altar and go be reconciled to your brother...
God tells us how he wants us to worship him, and how not to.
Unfortunately, you are in error of your statement. John 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
When Christ preached on the Day of Pentecost He laid out His Gospel Plan. This is the truth.
@@jamesstrohl2016 My friend, God has always been Spirit and explained how to worship him.
Jn 7
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
I can go back to Jer or Eze to show why the Spirit was given, and that it was given so they would keep his laws, because of faith, like Abraham did. He put his laws in man's heart and mind. We have to be in the Spirit, if we don't want to be under the law. We know that if someone sins, they are under the law, we can't be part-time believers, we can't serve two masters, one who believes and sins is lukewarm and he will spue them out of his mouth.
1 Jn 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
We were supposed to worship him in spirit just like many of the prophets and others did. There's nothing new under the sun. That's my understanding and I won't say you are wrong because that what you believe, and this is what I believe. To say my way is right and yours is wrong, would be presumptuous, and that's not of God, and shows pride.
Shalom
@@jamesstrohl2016 We are supposed to reason amongst ourselves just like Jesus and his disciples, with reasoning, not I'm right and your wrong. Otherwise believers will become more divided than everyone is now. Jesus said that a house that is divided shall not stand, and that's Satan's plan, and is working mightily, because men won't reason with each other because of pride. My friend, I am a student and will be until the day I die, always seeking the truth. Shalom
@@fredmorgan5387 You missed the point. The point is that God wants us to worship in truth. The Truth is Christ. Since Christ worshipped the Father the way The Father wanted, Christ has told us/showed us to worship the Father.
@@fredmorgan5387 There is only one way to worship. There isn't multiple ways. The fact that there are so many denominations out there does not mean that that the Church of Christ is divided. There is only one true Church and that is the one that Christ established.
I respectfully disagree with you about the law.
Unfortunately for you guys, I think God prefers worship that includes instruments. đ„đșđȘđ»đ·đžđč
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Please provide scripture for what you believe
Acts 17:24-25; Hebrews 13:15