Only Murders In The Building S3E9 Review and Breakdown
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2023
- Here is a review and breakdown of OMITB Season 3 Episode 9: Thirty
The besties are back and have put together a timeline 30 minutes before Ben collapsed on stage. This episode really showed us who Ben Glenroy was.
It looks as if Donna is the killer but I believe there will be another twist and we have yet to identify the actual killer. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
So glad your channel got recommended to me! You did an excellent breakdown but more than that, your analysis & sleuthing of the episode, and finding context clues for the next episode is the best I’ve found on CZcams! So many channels simply recap the episode without adding any additional value but this video was solid. I’m really sad I didn’t find your channel earlier in the season but better late than never. You’ve got a very enthusiastic sub 👍
Thank you! It means a lot. I always take the time and look over things to try and find clues rather than just upload a quick recap. The most important part is always solving the mystery!
Great podcast episode! I'm so happy Mabel got her birthday wish with her besties:) And relieved she didn't get married in order to feel like she was "doing something"with her life.:) The size of the cookie and the sugar alone could have caused anyone to collapse if they ate it after fasting. I wish we could see the toxicology report. And I like how you pointed out that the trio did jump to some conclusions with Donna. I bet she gets off the hook next episode.
After hearing you talk, I wonder if Tobert went to Cinda after he was (Canned).
Thank you! I'm happy she got her wish too! Shes just like me, no need for anything big or fancy just wanna do what makes me happy lol. Very relieved she didn't get married and honestly would be ok with her not being in any relationships at all for the rest of the show.
Not seeing the tox report has been irking me but it makes it a diff type of story to solve. If we knew what he was poisoned with, we would likely be able to tell that it was an active ingredient in rat poison right away. They need someone like Detective Williams to confirm this stuff or else it's just an idea.
Tobert is a mystery to me, and I cant crack him!
I think it's too early for the trio to be accurate, too predictable to be Donna covering for Cliff. Even if she poisoned him, I don't think she pushed him.
I think it's Tobert. He punched the door right after he was fired. He said he was looking for equipment in the apartment but he walked away empty handed, right? I'm betting he was looking for the hankie, which I think they'll get it from Dickie and have Det Williams run it for prints and his will show up.
That being said, I'm still not giving up on it being an "accident/ ambiguous" or 3 people being involved. Howard could discover more info in other pages too.
I believe critics get to view the dress rehearsal, so Maxine probably based it off that.
I agree, it is too early for the trio to be accurate when they have not really covered the push. All the focus has been on what happened on stage.
Tobert makes a lot of sense, but I can't see really why he would do it. I think he retrieved the flash drive from Ben's apartment, the same one Mabel stole from him, but I could be wrong. It may be hard to get prints from a hankie, but his DNA would definitely be on it.
It irks me that it may be an accident or ambiguous, but if they give a good enough reason for it, I will be ok. 3 must be involved, the theme of triplets has been too prevalent. If Tobby comes back next episode, he may be a part of it.
Someone in another comment mentioned that Maxine stated to Oliver at the funeral that she made her review from a preview. That is definitely what happened. I missed her talking about it.
We still don't know who called Ben at the party. I have always thought there are two killers. Maybe Donna tried to poison him, then Tobert pushed him down the elevator.
Tobert makes the most sense as to who called him. He is the only person we know of that had ties to Ben that wasn’t at the party.
/@@ScreenFavorites you don't think it was the 5 whores who called?
Maxine went to the preview, she talked about it with oliver at the funeral of ben glenroy
And she promised Oliver that no one saw it and never will!
Thank you! I didn’t remember exactly what she said, I made the assumption that her review was from opening night but now that I think about it the opening night show didn’t happen 😂😂😂 totally overlooked that that!
@@ScreenFavorites In addition to being critical of Ben's performance, Maxine also said the staging was bleak and bland, and unlike a typical Putnam production, it did not sing. This was what prompted Oliver to re-make the play into a musical. If Donna had read the review, she would also have realized that simply replacing Ben would not have saved the play.
@@jt279 That is very true, there was no saving that version of the play.
Dallas I've watched 3 or 4 other OMITB breakdown channels and you are the best imo. You are chill, get to the point and your theories make sense. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Really, thank you. It means a lot to me. I try to stay away from outlandish ideas but even I make mistakes and miss things and I'm hardheaded, but I love the show and I love solving mysteries.
I definitely think the killer isn’t Donna. I’m going to guess it’s Tobert just because I don’t like him. You made me laugh calling him “Toblerone”!
I wonder if Maxine wrote her review based on the sitzprobe?
I was so relieved that Mabel didn’t marry anyone! I was so worried about that!
Your videos have made watching OMITB so much fun, Dallas! Thank you for all you do! 💜
I want Tobert to be the killer too. If I have time Friday I’ll make a video on him.
Someone in another comment stated she mentioned watching a preview at the funeral. It makes sense she had to have seen the shoe to write a review.
I too was glad Mabel didn’t marry! It was a great use of the dress.
These past weeks have been so fun. I wish it would never end😭
The dip they used was a red herring dip, right after they came to the conclusion about Donna so I’m not convinced it’s her!
Exactly! She is obviously not the killer even if she did attempt to kill him earlier.
Here’s an answer to how three people could be involved (in a way that ties our most obvious suspects together):
Donna poisoned Ben, Ben suspects and confronts Cliff (and/or Cliff and Donna together) since Cliff offered him the cookies, Cliff pushes Ben (either accidentally, in self-defense, or in defense of his mother - I particularly like that option since it would involve a mother protecting her son and then a son protecting his mother). Tobert was the person who called Ben, and Ben was perhaps waiting to meet up with him by the elevator (to discuss his hasty firing or possibly return his camera since Ben grabbed it and took it with him during said hasty firing). Tobert arrives for their meet-up in time to witness (or even film!) Ben being pushed, and Cliff and/or Donna pay him off not to go public - and then possibly also to steer the trio away from them. There’s your triplets. 😊 (I also like the parallel of an innocent mother & son duo - in Loretta and Dickie, and a guilty one - Donna and Cliff.)
I agree that Donna’s motive is flimsy, and although I hadn’t thought about it before, sending the same cookies to Oliver was careless (as was up and leaving the rat poison right where she found it). 😮 That does makes me question if the poisoning scenario the trio came up with is true at all…But if it’s not, that messes up my theory in a way that I can’t fix. 😅 I will say, though, it’s also true that the show’s murderers have never been terribly smart. (Both Jan and Poppy made obvious blunders - they also had flimsy motives and weak, circumstantial evidence that got them caught as well.) So, I’m operating from the idea that the assumptions about Donna are accurate, at least in regard to the poisoning (and like you said, the twist will be who did the pushing).
I noticed in the clips you put together (your editing and presentation are getting better and better, by the way 😊) that when Mabel’s in the bridal gown and getting in the cab, you can still see her whale tattoo on her back! That’s a nice touch / callback to Season 1. ❤ That’s what this show does well. It may drop the ball on some obvious things - like sensible motives for their murderers - but it scores with all kinds of little and really cool touches I don’t expect. And if it sticks the landing, I agree Season 3 just might be my favorite season, too.
I’ll tell you what’s always my favorite: following along with your videos each season and sleuthing with you! 😊
Oh, that’s a really good prediction!
@@PhoebeFayRuthLouise Thanks! 😊
Sorry for the delay in reply, I wanted to wait until I was on my computer because Its hard to type alot on my phone >_
@@ScreenFavorites Thanks! 😊 I can’t take full credit for my theory, at least not for the inspiration. Another reviewer I follow kept insisting three people must be involved because of all the references, which got my brain working that way (trying to put the pieces together to make three people work). Then when you mentioned that, too, it was like confirmation this might just be a good idea. (And you’re totally right - the two mother & son duos really are like polar opposites of each other. 😃 So cool!)
Oh, wow. I’d never considered the whole copyright/re-uploading aspect of video-making. I’m not sure I would have the patience to follow through…And It’s not that I wouldn’t want to look at your face ☺️; it’s just I’ve found I notice so much in the characters expressions when they’re removed from the audio like that than when watching the show. It really highlights the performers, and you’re getting quite artful with it. The moment in this one that got me was the transition from Oliver and the dip (looking so happy) to Ben and the cookie (looking so sad). It was really smooth and perfectly timed. Well done.
I didn’t know that about Selena and her tattoos. 😃 I love diving down rabbit holes, too. This show is lots of fun - and videos like yours definitely add to it for me!
This is now my off the wall guess about things. I think Ben is Donna's Mother. Cliff is Donna's boy toy and that's why Ben calls him Boy. Donna shredded up the reviews of Ben horrible review to protect him. She's more Motherly to Ben as she is to Cliff. I don't know why we don't know Donna is Ben's Mother but I doubt Dicky is Ben's adopted brother. Donna never poisoned Ben. I think Donna hired Dicky to protect Ben. It's an odd thought.
It’s odd but I can see what you are thinking. My only issue is that there are too many people who claim or is stated to be parents, I think it would be hard to figure it all out in the last episode. Also Donna didn’t seem to upset when Ben died. Donna would have had to hire Dickie when they were kids, Ben and Dickie both talk about knowing each other when they were young and I don’t know why they would lie about it.
Final guess:
Who: Tobert
Why/ why now: because Ben fired him and took the camera, right before he collapses on stage (and comes back to life), which would have been huge to have exclusive footage to sell and helped him make it big in his career
How: Tobert and Ben meet up but argue about all this, maybe Ben refuses to give him the camera or tells him he's still fired, so Tobert punched him and he fell down the elevator shaft.
How they'll figure it out: the trio will figure out the camera should have been in the dressing room, not Ben's penthouse and/or he'll say something only the murderer would know (possibly about him falling from the 10th floor-as seen in the flashes of him falling-, when everyone assumes he falls from the penthouse)
I've been listening to the voice overs of this season and I think it could all relate to Tobert: wanting his chance for the spotlight but not getting it and doing anything to be there, not knowing who you're sleeping with (Mabel)... plus, I think he said to Mabel with the elephant story that this time he wanted to take action.
I wonder if the drugs might be placebos?
Unrelated to the murder I think Dickie will ask Loretta "where have you been?" But I'm not sure if it'll be in a good way or not. Since it's a comedy, I'm guessing it'll be a happy reunion 🫂
So excited for tonight! Can't wait to see how close or far off I've been this whole time 😂
I’ve been watching this season all day today and I’m still no closer to knowing 😂😂😂
I feel like this could be what happens. Tobert punching the door when he was fired seemed like he might have a violent tendency. I hope out of everything I’ve thouof and heard that this is closest to what happens.
I think Dickie can ask here where has she been but saying I’m here now and they can ride off into the sunset.
I think the elephant story is important. Why have it in the season, if it is not going to lead to something. I think he could have called Ben at the party since he is not at the after party. The elevator was not working in episode 1. Let’s say Ben get in the wrong elevator by mistake and instead of Tobert saving him, he just watches him loose his grip and die, just like the elephant. I do believe there is someone who poisoned him with the cookie or the fog machine did something to cause his death. I know there is a triplet theory, so let say Ben has a twin plus his brother, and because of that they needed to kill Ben twice.
This is definitely a possibility but it’s not a murder. Someone had to push Ben, maybe Tobert saw Ben holding on for life and fall but someone else had to be there.
Ok this is a somewhat tragic theory, but hear me out. I think Dickie is the second killer. The CoBro costume obscuring his face, his comment that there’s no audio, etc., seems to be inviting us to question if the person in the photo is really him. The police didn’t buy it; why does the trio buy it so easily? I think Loretta is Ben’s mom, not Dickie’s. At Ben’s funeral it says he was born in 1973-that bus ticket showed Dickie was born in 1976. Ben is the older brother, not Dickie. Dickie found this out somehow and played Loretta, big time, maybe wanting her to confess for him-that scene with the “Benny Bites”? Kind of over-the-top. On opening night this comes to light somehow and it’s a race to find him. I thought previously it was Tobert, but maybe he’s just working for Cinda after all, because what motive could he have that’s strong enough? He hasn’t been presented as a money or fame-hungry person per se. Maybe he could’ve stopped Ben’s murder or death somehow but didn’t, just like the baby elephant, but Dickie has the most compelling motive and no solid alibi.
I think the dates are just a production error and the Benny Bites are just Dickie reverting back o childlike tendencies because he feels he never had one he was always in Bens shadow and likely never got attention from his adoptive mother. I thought it could be Tobert too but I can’t find a good enough motive for him either.
When Ben came back from the poisoning to the after party at Oliver's he tried to apologize to the team. His apologies weren't real sincere if you look back. He wasn't a changed person at all. It's a confusing picture we got in this episode. I'm not sure how they will tie all this in with last episode coming. They still have no clue who pushed Ben. This might go unresolved and lead to next season
Some of his apologies were sincere, he totally seemed serious and sorry to Kimber, Charles and to Donna IMO. The argument could be made for KT and Ty too. Ben was a complicated man and no one goes from ass to angel in a day. I think they will figure out who pushed Ben, next season will likely not involve the theater.
@@ScreenFavorites He made off handed apologies. To Charles he cut him down by saying he doesn't have much of a career left to hone his kraft due to his age. To Donnna and his dressing room it was also off handed. Sorry for saying all those bad things about my dressing room but hopefully it can be fixed but sorry but hope you can still fix it. Not a good apology
@@cheri7054 Yes he cut at Charles but that's genuinely how Ben felt, he's not one to mince his words. He earnestly stated that they got off on the wrong foot and asked to start over. He may have been a dick about it but he was being legit and gave him a hug.
Did you see Bens dressing room compared to Charles? I think he was 100% justified in his complaints about his dressing room, it was shitty for no reason. He said he was sorry for complaining about it, It would be great if it could be fixed and that he would not bring it up again. I see no problems with it at all. His dressing room looked like an old closet compared to Kimber or Charles. and he was Top Billed. He was being shafted and I would be upset about it too.
If Dicky was dressed up like Cobro there is no good proof it's him as you can't tell who is in that costume. That could be anybody in that outfit.
This is true but I don’t know of anyone else that would have access to the outfit in order to get drunk and pass out in the street. It’s a lot going on, that dickie at least would have to know about in order to make up the story.
We don't really know if Donna poisoned Ben. If she actually poisoned Ben then the cops would have her in custody for attempted murder. So I think the trio just assumed she didi it. No real evidense
We do not really know if Donna poisoned Ben, we dont even know what kind of poison was in Bens system.
If she did poison Ben, she would not necessarily be in custody right now for attempted murder. Because the cops don't have this information yet. I think she will be in jail for it at the end of the day. The trio did assume she did it, and its kinda weak BUT with so little time left to explain everything, I think it must be true.
Why would Donna send cookies to Oliver if they were laced with poison then there is your proof but why would she implicate herself like that. I think it was just a gift since he just had a heart attack
I also think it was just a gift 100% Sending him the same cookies that killed Ben is dumb IMO. BUT however unlikely it is, giving Oliver some poison on his already weak heart would be likely to kill him, and it would stop them from figuring out what she just did. Again, I didn't say I think his cookies are poisoned, just that they could be. I don't think they are I was just covering some bases.
Kimber...kimber did it
I want a I believe she did but she hadn’t been on screen that much to seem plausible.
I doubt Cliff is involved but no real evidence. This was a confusing episode. Who pushed Ben down the elevator. Nobody was talking about that. Maybe Tobert has some video evidence that we don't know about.
I feel like there should be more video evidence but they may have “went through all the videos” and there was nothing relevant. I dislike how the trio has not thought about who pushed Ben only who poisoned him. I think they will question Donna figure out she has her hankie and then the person who doesn’t will come to light.
@@ScreenFavorites I agree to a point. The only thing is the Trio didn't mention the actually so called murder on the elevator. The deal is it's a Dummy of Den. Ben is still alive.
I think this season might go unresolved and lead to season 4
The creator said that every season will have a murderer and the case will be resolved.
I cant recall, are you aware of the "spoiler" that was released last week or are you aware, but choosing to ignore it?
Ive unfortunately seen it (I wont say what the spoiler is) and here is my prediction and attempt to how the clues tie it together. In the patter song, the triplets are Penelope, Patrick and Paco. Donna is Penelope and poisons Ben to harm the show in the spirit of The Producers and protect her son....Cliff is Patrick, after Ben returns to the party and then leaves, Cliff ends up talking to Ben in front of the open elevator, explains to him how stressed he was over all the drama, does his stress dance, which startles Ben, and Ben accidentally falls down the shaft. Tobert is Paco. Tobert is on the 10th floor with his GoPro and is recording and captures Cliffs stress dance causing Ben to go into the shaft. Donna/Cliff then do something to convince Tobert to help them/hide it/cover it up. The reason I think this theory for Tobert, is to answer the question "how is Bens death going to be proven"? There is no hotel security footage for the obvious reason. It wont be someone simply confessing. So there has to be a recording of it, and it wont be from the building security cameras. So it has to be from Tobert/his equipment. Another thing I dont see getting discussed is....what if it turns out Ben is not "murdered" and just "unfortunately died". Does that still align with the title of the show? Will fans be ok with it or not?
I really hope am wrong on this. Because the answer to the "who did it?" question will just end up being "The Producers", which many like you in the community connected very early on (granted without any details of how or why) based on the Broderick and Brooks having cameos and a play that was going down the drain. And I dont like that and feel is lazy and weak compared to the previous two seasons.
I am aware of something that could be considered a spoiler, I choose to “ignore it” I won’t theorize with information that isn’t in the show, I feel like it would be faking it and pretending I figured it out when I really didn’t. I would rather be wrong than potentially ruin the show or pretend like I’m smarter than I am.
I like the idea that the babies are references to those three and I feel like Cliffs limberness seems as if it could play part in what happened but I am very much against the idea that Ben was startled and accidentally fell. The show is only MURDERS in the building and if Bens death is not a murder I’m going to be very upset. I cannot think of a way Cliffs acrobatics could come into play that wasn’t an accident though I mentioned in episode 5 review I believe that it seems to be important. I can’t logically see how it would work in the way I feel it should. Because of that I can’t follow any version of the theory. To me and I could be wrong Bens death has to have some level of premeditation for me to be satisfied.
I will be ok with it if The Producers are guilty, many may have guessed the guilty party but at the very least I don’t think I’ve seen the correct motive in Donnas case in my comments. The motive is different than in The Producers though I feel it is closely related. Whoever actually killed Bens motive will be what makes or breaks it. I need to see this next episode before I make a final judgement.
@@ScreenFavorites Im totally with you. I posted on another video that Im curious to see how the fans are going to respond if all we get is an "attempted murder". As you point out, the title of the show is supposed to be about an actual murder. And for use fans, we watch to try and solve a puzzle....which means there needs to be a character that acted to kill another and did so. Otherwise, we as fans are trying to solve a puzzle that isnt there. Sadly, though I do think we are going to get an "attempted murder" only and like you, Ill be quite unhappy.
If it ends up being the producers who did it I think that's hilarious given the Broderick and Brooks cameos, it fits perfectly with the comedy of this show. If it ends up that no one did it I'll be fine because I guarantee you, there will be something we never saw coming to follow it up.
@@th2k864 I love the way you think no matter what I think we all win.
what if Theo accidently was involved with Ben's fall?
Theo loved CoBro so it’s possible he went to him for a autograph or something but I don’t think they want Theo to be seen in a bad light. He’s on his redemption arc.
If there was drugs in his system then that would be conflict cuz Ben told the ladies he sees them to stay away from drugs. Dicky was the one in search of whores and drugs. He said he dressed like Cobro. That was odd. I don't buy Dicky's story of events.
From Johnathan we learn that Ben took what was called "The Leading Man cocktail" That included many different prescription drugs and meth. This was likely seen as a non-street drug from Ben as he did not take the cocktail recreationally.
Additionally, Ben could have referred to the 5 Seamstresses as his whores, as he saw them as someone who gave him pleasure in a totally nonsexual way.
Dickie, Tobert and Cliff ( he’s not that stupid as presented) - 3 killers
Do Donna is completely innocent? Who pushed Ben??
just screaming - this Finale was truly emotional@@ScreenFavorites 😢
@@deutsch_mit_TV it was 😭😭
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