"He never did because he didn't like me" the fact that he said while smiling makes it kind of tragic, it's like he's completely accepted the fact that no one actually gives af about him
Right! This man is a tragedy waiting to happen. Who says with conviction that their parent doesn't like them? Despite what I feel about Otto, you can't deny that Viserys failed all of his children with Alicent. Like...none of them mourne md his death. These people have no reason to want anything to do with their Targaryen side outside of their dragons.
He’s a complete shithead, he gets wayyy worse in the books too but at the same time having neglectful as fuck parents probably didn’t help matters and it’s no real wonder he turned out that way
The writers did a fantastic job making Aegon sympathetic in this scene. You can clearly see that he has been neglected and ignored. Even his mother can't say she truly loves him. I hope they develop upon this reluctance to rule in the second season, and not make him a Joffrey clone.
He's been sympathetic for a while to me. You can see what is being forced onto him. You also have an explanation on why he was an alcoholic before he was fifteen years old.
I've read this so much here that Alicent probably didn't love him bc she didn't say it but all those people seem to forget that she didn't hesitate for one second to stand between her son and a bloody dragon, instinctively shielding him even if it meant burning herself. Also, the only reason she even wanted Aegon to become king was that she feared, Rhaenyra would kill him to secure her claim once she became Queen. Alicent may have had her flaws as a mother, but her love for her children is completely out of question.
Do you not understand the context lmao? She’s calling him an imbecile because she’s quite literally dedicated her whole life to making him king and then he asks her that question so of course that’s going to be her answer
@@katie9247 thats the thing, she was so busy raising a king, she neglected loving him as a son. It was always "his destiny as king" and "Rhaenyra will kill you and your siblings" but never "I love you" or even a warm smile from her
In the book Aegon even says “Why would I take my sisters throne from her?” showing how much he really didn’t want the throne and didn’t want the war to happen either. He was manipulated by Alicent and Otto to be king. I’m pissed they didn’t have him say this line in the show.
I definitely understand why he would ask his mama that question but it still breaks my heart that he doesn't feel like anyone in his family loves or cares about him
Tbh I don't really understand it. Alicent has done so much to protect him. The very reason she wants him crowned is to protect him. Did she scold him a lot? Sure, because he's done many idiotic things. But not once has Alicent given the impression, that she didn't love her son.
@@shimanopetermann9068 But has she ever said it? To a prince that has been told he is a challenge to Rhaenyra, this could have been seen as her securing her asset to him, nothing more then a tool to her ambition with Alicent never telling him those three words that could have helped so much
@@liamjacques5335 Tbh I've heard this so often in parent-child relationships and I don't get it. Not everything has to be spoken out lout. Affection is something you feel. If my mother - not some stranger but my own mother - goes out of her way to ensure that I'm safe, spoils me (and Aegon was definitely spoiled) and even explains to me how worried she is about my safety then it can be assumed she loves me without the need to say it. Also judging from Alicent's interactions with her other children and her general attitude in the show she doesn't strike me as someone who's not affectionate.
@@shimanopetermann9068 for some kids, confirmation, even one is important, I understand, my family doesn't say 'I love you' to each other, but we also didn't pressure each other with the idea that our own sister will kill us, Aegon knows that he's unfit and tried to run, and yet his mother and grandfather wanted him king, to him, who knew his dad would never change his mind, He probably saw himself as a tool his family was using and kept safe, not as loving family that wanted the best for him, Alicante saying you imbecile instead of something along the lines of 'I will always love you' wasn't helpful, the most vocal validation he got was from the people, and you could see that he craved it from them
It's scenes like this that I hope happen more often in season 2 since the time jumps will stop. Aegon being a dumb person but still smart enough to know that Viserys didn't change his mind on his deathbed and laughs at that notion lmao
@@queenxx1690 The fact that Aegon still questioned it while Aemond if jealous of his brother's future crowning says a lot. One questions the validity, and rightfully so, while the other is pissed it isn't him.
I agree to your perception of his idiocy. Elder Aegon's behavior during the family dinner scene in episode 8 gave him a very frivolous and low brow reputation, nevertheless that is just the tip of the iceberg. In ep9 he has displayed a deep sadness beneath the iceberg, solidified by years of neglect and pressure.
@@enlighten92 in ep 8 in dinner scene you can see that Aegon when he is left alone on side of the table he is watching Rhaenyra and Daemon and he is sitting opposite to Viserys only Aemond is somwhrre in the back that is forshadowing
This scene is so sad if only viserys showed his other kids love and raised aegon better he could have been a good man. At the end of the day all aegon wanted was love from his father
Viserys was a pretty shit parent. He lavished praise on Rhaenyra and never reprimanded her in the slightest, and actively hated or ignored his other children.
@@randomcenturion7264 for what i know in the book of House of the dragon viserys did love helaena and he showed love to her, one of his last moments before die was with her playing with his grandchildren
That’s because he loved his first wife Aemma more than Alicent. But that’s not the children’s fault at all, he should’ve done more for Aegon II, Helaena, and Aemond as a father. At least Alicent is trying to be a good mother, even though she really isn’t.
« You imbecile » hits different after the scene where Alicent puts herself in front of Meleys to protect Aegon. She betrayed her best friend, she started a war so she could respect Viserys’ « last wish » despite everything she hates about her son. Of course she loves him, he is her blood
No lol, she used him to gain power. He was just a pawn to her. She doesn't really care about him. Forced him to do something he didn't want to usurp Rhaenyra.
@@GenUrobutcherthe lack of understanding Alicents character is insane, maybe u should watch some of the actress’ interviews cuz lemme tell you that’s definitely not how she portrays alicent
Alicent put herself in front of a dragon to protect her son from getting burned first. If that doesn’t show how protective she is of her kids, I don’t know what will.
@@GenUrobutcherthe thing is because of how viserys was obvioulsy alice t would think sbe meant it from her pov so i mean all this was unnecessary jn the end
@@GenUrobutcher I can’t say that she doesn’t love her child. Alicent never wanted the life she had. She loved Rhaenyra, the two were practically sisters to one another. The majority of her choices she made in conspiring against Rhaenyra came from a place of fear (instilled by her father who just wanted power) and betrayal (she wanted to give Rhaenyra the benefit of the doubt about whether or not Rhaenyra “degraded” herself by having sex with Daemon in a brothel). Alicent didn’t believe her father’s accusations of Rhaenyra being a threat to her and her children. But when she caught Rhaenyra in a bold face lie, she came to the realization that perhaps Rhaenyra is no longer the sister that she once adored but the enemy. So to say that Alicent doesn’t love her children is simply untrue. One of her motivations for doing what she did to instill Aegon as King was to protect her children, to protect him. She had been instilling the fear of death into him since he was but a child. Saying to him that his very existence is a threat to Rhaenyra and her reign. Plus when she has that pause to consider what Aegon said to her when he asked if she truly loved him, I don’t think that was her lying when she responded. My reasoning is that if she didn’t love Aegon, then why would she go through all the trouble of getting him to be King when he doesn’t want it, especially when Aemond did want it and was technically next in line if something mysterious were to happen to Aegon. If Alicent didn’t love Aegon as you suggest, then why not kill him? Up until the moment she convinced him to take the throne, he’s been a burden on the family. Bottom line, Alicent does lover her children, in her own way. Sure it’s not perfect but no relationship is.
While the show of vulnerability is good and all. I REALLY like that over the course of the show, it has been shown that Aegon is not stupid. HE IS an idiot. But he is not stupid. He is surprisingly sharp witted and observant, he is also fundamentally a realist. I mean the guy is aware that he is BAD, not enough to correct it, but that is honestly more self-awarness than anyone in his family. And intelligent enough to predict in the span of a few seconds what would his mother and grandfather would do and made a run for it.
Aegon was not stupid. He knew it wasn't Viserys dying wish to him become king, it was Alicent who created that ilusion by misunderstanding the last words of Viserys. Why would he believe his father changed of mind and chose him as his succesor when in 20 years he kept Rhaenyra as his oficial heir?
In the book, it's said to Aegon that If his sister becomes Queen she will kill him, that's how he was persuaded into becoming king, this episode took a major drift away from the book. I hope they don't ruin it.
Don't care. Same outcome. The book is just based on speculations by those 'writing' it so any number of things could have persuaded him to take the crown in the end.
@Septic Neuron LOL I only denouce bad critiques of the show. You wrote all that and assumed a bunch of BS based on nothing just because you right-wing reactionaries got a chip on your shoulder. GRRM ain't a right-wing reactionary or a misogynist so I imagine women in the story will continue to get more nuance than you would give them if you were in charge of the story. So what if Larys has a fixation on his crippled foot that transates into a fetish? It's better than what Fire and Blood gave us where we have little to no insight into what he thinks on anything. He's just a generic backstabber in the source text. Most of the characters the show focuses on are more nuanced and layered than what Fire and Blood gave us, Aemond included who was basically a caricature in the book. GRRM even said Viserys on the show was a lot more interesting and nuanced than Viserys in the book. As for the action..oh yeah I'm so sure you wouldn't have been right here saying how boring the show was if we got 10 episodes without that one measly 5 minute-long battle in the Stepstones (which was shot beautifully and quite engaging tbh). I guess that was too much action for you LOL. I'm also sure in a show about the Dance of the Dragons there won't be any action at all...I mean...I can't take you seriously at all, dude. And as if people talking couldn't be interesting in and of itself and as if the show hadn't been exactly that all this time. You gotta stop making me laugh with your pathetic takes, dude. I loved most of all of GOT and I watched that show since 2012. Season 8 features 2 of the best episodes of the entire show imo. Also you know both shows released weekly, right? Bingewatching would not be possible unless one wanted to wait for 10 weeks. Also you gotta stop thinking there is 1 single way to say a show is either brilliant or trash. There's a lot of in-between and what anyone thinks depends in any case on what they consider to be good or bad. There are potentially 7 billion opinions on this show out there, none of them the "right one" because all art is subjective but maybe you aren't able to grasp that concept just yet. The writers are real writers and also ain't gonna change because the showrunner wrote most of the show and approved what was written by others and GRRM is more deeply involved with the show anyway. Good times for us, bad times for you I fear LOL.
As a fellow book reader I gotta say, what a stupid take. This was very well done and F&B is just a historical synopsis of events, not a direct telling. There are some changes they’ve made that are pretty questionable. This isn’t one of them.
This series doing what it does best: making a terrible character sympathetic, without expecting the audience to forget they're terrible. You don't need to love Aegon to understand him, Aegon does not need to be good for you to love him, and people can have a reason for doing things that are unjustifiable. Aegon's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters
@@coricori7661hile I agree, by that logic nearly none of these characters are likeable. Deamon? Nope. Viserys? Nope. The list goes on. Also, you can have sympathy for a fictional character. Even for real rapists, you can have sympathy but still condemn them rightfully so.
I don't know why people are saying she can't tell him she loves him. To me that "you imbecile" is like "how can you ask that? It's obvious that I love you" Idk she reminded me of my mom right there 😂
@@Felzorful idk if he interpreted it right or wrong but it's true that what matters is how she treated him throughout the years. And Aegon has only perceived disappointment from her and Viserys, that's clear.
After seeing them act on screen it's fine but yeah when they first announced the castings for this show I thought Olivia was going to play young Alicent and that an older woman would play older Alicent. It seemed jarring at first that both she and Emma D'arcy are both in their late 20s but would play characters who had children in their early 20s lol
Yeah, but I still think the decision to make him a rapist that has his bastard children fighting in a cage was dumb and unnecessary, just another way to vilify him and push the audience towards Rhaenyra even more
@@leonardohenrique5172 The book hinted that he had perverse sexual appetites. They imply that he was getting a blowjob from a literal child when they told him he was going to be crowned king. And the bastard kids thing is foreshadowing for a future character.
Everyone involved in the Dance either dies young or is a monster on some level or another, primarily because they are royals who are all fine with the idea of thousands (if not millions) of peasants and poor people dyring if it means they get to dictate how everyone else has to live.
I don’t think so. Despite her flaws as a mother, Alicent does love her children very much in a weird way. When Rhaenys attacked the coronation, she stepped right in front of her son in order for her to get burned first before him, trying to protect him from Meleys. One of the main reasons she is doing all of this is to protect her kids because she knows that if Rhaenyra succeeds Viserys, she might kill all of her children to secure her claim to the throne especially since she is now married to Daemon of all people. Plus, Alicent strongly defended Aemond for his injures when she could’ve just sided with Rhaenyra on the matter. She comforted Helaena in that brief clip regarding Vaemond’s death and ordered Criston to protect her only daughter while she went for Aegon. In the end, there is certain evidence to show that Alicent loves her children, even though they turned out a little unusual.
Part of why she acted as erratically in epsiodes 6 and 7 was because she had been convinced of the idea that her children would be killed should Rhaenyra ascend the throne....this is a big part of why she does everything she can to undermine Rhaenyra. It's fair to say that she does not want her children to die but she is mistaken as to the likelihood of that happening, given who Rhaenyra is at this stage. It indicates that she does love them.
@RUSHEIIS You do remember that a few scenes later, Alicent, without hesitation, stepped between her son and a bloody dragon, right? She was prepared to burn alive, shielding her son.
@@JimmySteller Ob boy where should I start. I will use both information from the series and book. First disregard of the smallfolk. In the book she calls them vermin and other stuff. Second no concept for money. She is 18 when she is in Kingslanding and doesn't seem to know or understand that you have to pay for food. She bites of something, throws it back at the person selling the food ( idk the word salesperson? I'm not from an english speaking country ). Later she doesn't realize how costly it is to hold the stepstones and built military outposts there. Lastly her taxes she is going to do. They are very high and the people of Kingslanding can't afford them, but she is too far removed from everyday life, that she is unable to recognise what people can and can't do for her. Also her taxing having "bastard" children. Your child was born outside of marriage, now pay me is rediculous. Third she doesn't understand the game of thrones at all. It is teasered already in ep 4 or 5, that she believes that it is possible to do politics without any of the nobles or houses having self interest.... Yeah. We also see this when she sends Luce with nothing to lord Borros Baratheon. Jace could get the Vale and the north, because he is charismatic and made marriage pacts. He bethrothed his younger brother Joffrey to the Vale and his unvonceived, unborn daughter to lord Cregan Stark. He stayed there a few weeks, they hunted together and he really made an impression. What has Rhaenyra done in the past? She alienates houses as seen on her tour to find a husband by insulting them, encourages a fight between Bracken and Blackwood. Not that they need encouragement, but she should have broken it up. She insults lady Redwyne in Ep 3. She insults other noble houses when choosing a kingsguard. The right thing would have been to listen to everyone with patience and then choosing who you think is right and thank everyone for attending. There is so much more, but the comment is already long as it is. She doesn't have what it takes to be a good politician. I think she was spot on in episode 1, when she said, she wants to ride on dragonback with her friend, see the wonders of the word and eat only cake. I think she would have been very happy without politics. She's just not good at it. In that case you could say let her small council reign. But her small council is not very competent either....
Say what you all will about Alicent but at the end of the day, she truly loves her children dearly. She’s always been protective of them since day one and she blatantly defended Aemond when he lost his eye. She also stepped in front of Meleys to protect Aegon II from getting burned first. If that doesn’t prove to you that she loves him, I don’t know what will. And she also tries to spend a little but of time with her only daughter Helaena, as evidenced in episode 6.
I don't care if she was a good mother. So was Cersei, a true villain. Alicent is still the woman who willfully misinterpreted her husband's dying words and that was purely because she DID want power after all.
But Alicent genuinely loves her children very deeply, including her eldest. She literally stepped in front of a dragon to protect Aegon II from getting burned first.
2:04 Aegon is perhaps the most tragic character in HOTD. Here we have someone who was ignored by his father in favor of his sister and abused by his mother. He was forced to marry his sister at a young age and was used by the Hightowers as a political tool despite not wanting to be king. Yet he did it anyways to please his mother. Even what happened with Ayana can be somewhat explained. Because no one loved Aegon including his wife he went after a woman who took care of him and reminded him of his mother. While Aegon may not be a good person I think it's important to remember that Aegon was conditioned from an early age to be what he is.
That look of pride as he believed in his last breaths his father thought him worthy and loved, a shame it is a all misunderstanding and that in the end his father DID love his children; he just loved Rhaenyra more.
It’s just brilliant writing and building of characters. People don’t even think about characters like Jaime or Khal Drogo being rapists because the writing and acting is excellent
“Have the decency to look grateful.” Uhmm you forced and peer pressured him to do this Alicent. I feel bad for Aegon he’s been neglected forever by his own family. His mother is a bit controlling and bossy towards him. At least she’s better and more fair than Cersei ever was to her kids.
Cersei's love was akin to ownership, because like Alicent, her life was a prison.. but she did love them. The difference between Cersei and Alicent is the fact that Cersei isn't intellectually dishonest. There was never any shame in her game. She wanted power. She wanted her children in power and she never wavered from that. It's why I will ALWAYS prefer and respect her over many in this series. She owned her shit. Do you think Cersei would allow that flimsy excuse of Viserys words to kickstart her already preconceived idea that her son would be King? No. She'd just do it. No prostration. No excuses. And it's weird because book Alicent is almost identical to Cersei, right on down to the scheming
That man was hated from before he was born , he has to pay for the sins of his carless ignoring father , who just concieved him bcz Alicent was hot , has to pay for his mother's teenage conflicts with her best friend , his uncle hates him bcs he pushed more the line of succession and he sees otto in him , Rheanyra hates him as competitor for the throme , everyone has problems bcz of his birth & he was raised that its his fault , least he desrves from this life is the throne
Looking at Aegon in this episode, I'm strongly reminded of a joke from The Editing Room. In one of their abridged scripts, they cover a film which features a character in a similar position to Aegon. The script has him declare incredulously: "So your plan was to cut me off from my passions, force me into a loveless marriage, generally abuse and alienate me, and then...make me your ruler?" I think about that line whenever I see a scenario like Aegon's. Like, that scene where he glances coldly at each of his family members expecting them to bow to him as he's crowned king. All of them look apprehensive or reluctant as they bow, and I'm just baffled. Did they have no notion that he might not take kindly to the way they've treated him all his life?
Aegon says multiple times that his father would never make him king because Viserys didn't like him, and then, with the context on his mind that one of his parents thought he was awful, he asks his mother if _she_ loves him, and she calls him an imbecile lol. The show's done a good job at making me feel sympathy for this terrible guy
I love how in this scene Aegon is fully aware that he is going to be an usurper, acknowledging Rhaenyra as the heir chosen by Viserys, but can’t really do anything with the Hightowers being the masterminds
The greatest mistake of this show is focusing so much on the Alicent / Rhaenya relationship that they completely neglected Aegon / Rhaenyra. i would have loved to see how Aegon feels about his older sister and his father obvious preference towards her, and how Rhaenyra feels about how Aegon has turned up. Also how Alicent's paranoia poisons it.
At least she could say YES.. even just words.. this type of moments saying good things to those type of people on desperate or despair situation hearing encouraging words helps a lot.... Thats my instincts is saying
Aegon is misunderstood.... he's still a twat but nevertheless misunderstood. I think alicent understands this in some way...... she may be the only one who does.
Find it funny how for years Viserys prayed and wished for a son and that alone caused the death of Aemma his first wife and then Alicent gave him 3 healthy sons and a daughter yet only for a short time he gave Aegon attention from such a age he probably doesn’t remember his father cared about him but then named Rhaenyra heir when he could’ve listen to Aemma and saw with his own two eyes that she couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to produce him a healthy son and earlier could’ve stayed married to her and named Rhaenyra heir would’ve made things so much easier and with that he could’ve married her to Daemon someone who people were looking at to take Viserys place to began with.
Otto is right about Alicent. She believes what she wants to believe and neglects the facts that don't align with her emotions. This is why her political moves contradict each other from time to time
@@angryyoungman66 no way she kills him nor daemon, he is literally supporting her claim and submitting to her. Rhaenyra and team black would realized that without Aegon on their side they have no claim
Are we going to ignore the part where alicent tells ageon not to kill rhaenyra. If alicent really believed that Vesris wasn't taking about thire ageon . If she really planned to steal the throne she would tell ageon to kill rhaenyra
Some people keep missing the point,he's well aware Alicent loves him, he's not asking because he doesn't know he's asking because he doesn't know why she still wastes her time with him, why she still believes he can get one thing right, she loves him and is actually probably the only person who does so, but he also thinks he doesn't deserve that love because of what he is and what he does. Profusely since he s the first kid, he s the one who understands her pain the best and he can't comprehend how he s loved despite the way he happened. He knows he s a disappointment to her and that he disappoints her everyday by reminding her he s no better than the man who forced him and his siblings into her.
I didn’t connect with Aegons character enough to feel bad for him. He is a drunken fool. But what I love about this scene is Alicent urging Aegon not to put Rhaenyra to the sword. I love even more that in the next episode we see Rhaenyra making her sons swear to voyage only as messengers and not warriors to secure allies. It’s those little glimpses where we see that for all the faults of both team Green and team Black, both Queens are still trying to hold the realm together and raise little humans who aren’t cruel or impulsive. Both are still trying to save some semblance of Viserys last wishes - whatever they believe them to be.
I have such mixed emotions towards Aegon. On the one hand, he's a rapist, womanizing lecher who uses his title as an excuse to get away with whatever he wants. On the other hand, he never wanted to become king. He was perfectly happy to let Rhaenyra sit the throne. He only took up the title after being goaded into it by his mom and grandad, fed by stories that Rhaenyra would kill him if he didn't. Still not quite sure where he sits for me.
Why did Samuel tarleys father make him take the black or their would be a hunt?? Because lords and kings couldn’t just Passover it’s succession LAW…. Viserys said even I’m not above tradition and duty…. It’s stupid because only way was for him as king was to change succession rights which rhaenyra planned to do to get her own loyal lords or for him to make her queen and step down…. His word was law while alive he could have done that…..
She always mistreated him, that is doubtless. But that's not because she doesn't love him. Alicent does everything for her children even though it does not look like it. After all she has no reason to fear from Rhaenyra, because she never posed any threat to Rhaenyra's succession. But we know very well where Rhaenyra's morality lies. She shed no tears for her son's father after his death. She did not show even the smallest amount of grief for someone she supposedly "loved". She wasn't touched when her father died either, only after learning, that Aegon was crowned. She got rid of her prievous husband, and lied about not having any relation in his "death". Alicent had every reason to worry about her sons, and no one worries for someone they don't love. Also don't forget, when Rhaennys intervened the coronation, and directed Meleys towards the greens she literally stood in front of him, protecting him with her own body. So by imbecile she meant: "Why would you even ask that, isn't it obvious?"
I like that even though Rhaenyra and Alicent have grown apart she still asks her son to not kill Rhaenyra if he is advised to do so. Even more so if the roles were reversed Rhaenyra may kill her sons to secure her claim of the throne.
Because at this point she hoped to negotiate a peace deal with Rhaenyra. But now that the war is on one of them has to kill the other to secure the throne. Alicent acknowledges that in the new trailer
Everyone seems to feel bad for Aegon and nobody caring about him, but seem to not ask WHY nobody cares about or likes him. It’s because he’s a twat. And he never thought to change his ways.
He’s not a good guy just because he felt neglected. Plenty of princes and lordlings feel neglected growing up (with their parents duties dividing attention), they don’t all end up like him. If he was so distraught about his own circumstances, maybe he should’ve paid more attention to his own kids he left around town instead of neglecting them to seedy brothels and underground fighting pits, whereas he got “neglected” in a palace. He was right to not want it, he and seemingly everyone knows he’ll be terrible because he’s a terrible person.
@@jonsnow2791 Aegon has done less harm than them because Aegon isn't an adult yet. Give him time and he could be up here lmao ffs Aegon already makes his bastard offsprings fight in a pit against other. HE ISN'T EVEN AN ADULT YET.
In the unlikely event I ever have children. I my greatest hope is that they will never have reason to wonder if I or their mother loves them. Just to be on the safe side. I am no way trying to excuse, justify, or defend Aegon atrocious behavior. But I think the fact he smiled as he declared that Viserys did not love him and appeared genuinely curious when he asked Allicent if she loves him goes a long way in explaining how he ended up the way he did.
Even Aegon knows this coup is unmitigated horseshit. Nothing more than Otto and Alicent committing treason. In her heart of hearts, even she doesn't believe Viserys wanted Aegon king.
This is my life story maybe I am a Targaryen My family likes me but they don't like some other people and I cannot live my life properly It's true I am speaking honestly This is not a fiction maybe I am not a king but It is like real life version
I don’t understand how Alicent (or anyone else) could possibly believe they’re protecting him by declaring him King. You’re doing the opposite of protecting him- you’re putting a giant fucking target on his back. The King already named his heir. Do we not all know how this turned out? Instead of trying to make amends with Rhaenyra they went to war/did what they thought was best to “protect” their children and almost everyone was killed. The dragons soon became extinct. Rhaenyras line inherited the throne anyway. Rhaenyras definitely not perfect but she’s miles above Aegon. You know, the guy who rapes his servants and watches orphans fight to the death and literally admitted he has no interest in ruling. If you’re pro green I want to shake you
Because in their eyes, Rhaenyra asks Aemond to be sharply questioned ( tortured ) after he says the truth, kills her husband, marries the most cruel person who HATES Otto and Alicent and is known for killing his first wife, then kills Vaemond , even thought the king's order is to cut his tongue. The greens had no choice but declare Aegon king to get power. Otherwise , Rhaenyra would take the crown, put her people into power and it would be easier to her to kill her brothers. Rhaenyra's reign is doomed to end up with war, either between her/ her children and her brothers or between her 3 bastards sons with her 2 legitimate sons. The bastard problem would last for generations. That's why GRRM killed her 3 bastards in the book, otherwise there would have been another dance.
...In the story, Alicent is Aegons mother. Not even the Valyrians married their parents and considered it gross af. The only one who was RUMORED to have commited such an act is a man literally called "Aegon the Unworthy" who was said to have fucked his bastard daughter. And even then it was a rumour.
Alicent doesn't fail Aegon as a mother who wants what's best for her child, but she fails him as a mother who provides the emotional support her son needs.
Viserys didn't even give a fuck when his son Aemonds eye got cut out. I don't think he ever showed much interest and love to Alicents children, Rhaenyra was his "only child" as he said himself.
"He never did because he didn't like me" the fact that he said while smiling makes it kind of tragic, it's like he's completely accepted the fact that no one actually gives af about him
Right! This man is a tragedy waiting to happen. Who says with conviction that their parent doesn't like them?
Despite what I feel about Otto, you can't deny that Viserys failed all of his children with Alicent. Like...none of them mourne md his death. These people have no reason to want anything to do with their Targaryen side outside of their dragons.
He’s a complete shithead, he gets wayyy worse in the books too but at the same time having neglectful as fuck parents probably didn’t help matters and it’s no real wonder he turned out that way
Viserys is the biggest responsable in convert Aegon into the disaster he became
It's a grim realisation for anyone to see the difference between loving someone out of obligation, and actually liking them.
Viserys caused the dance, his actions and indifference caused all this misery.
The writers did a fantastic job making Aegon sympathetic in this scene. You can clearly see that he has been neglected and ignored. Even his mother can't say she truly loves him. I hope they develop upon this reluctance to rule in the second season, and not make him a Joffrey clone.
He's been sympathetic for a while to me. You can see what is being forced onto him. You also have an explanation on why he was an alcoholic before he was fifteen years old.
I've read this so much here that Alicent probably didn't love him bc she didn't say it but all those people seem to forget that she didn't hesitate for one second to stand between her son and a bloody dragon, instinctively shielding him even if it meant burning herself. Also, the only reason she even wanted Aegon to become king was that she feared, Rhaenyra would kill him to secure her claim once she became Queen. Alicent may have had her flaws as a mother, but her love for her children is completely out of question.
Me too
Getting in front of the dragon to protect him proves that she loves him.
This actually wasn't the writers it was requested by aegons actor
“Do you love me”
“You imbecile”
Great mother and son moment there lmao
Do you not understand the context lmao? She’s calling him an imbecile because she’s quite literally dedicated her whole life to making him king and then he asks her that question so of course that’s going to be her answer
@@katie9247 I’m guessing you didn’t realise I was joking lmao
@@denizkenger52 oh that’s not
That was the most asian parent thing. Yes, I'm asian.
@@katie9247 thats the thing, she was so busy raising a king, she neglected loving him as a son. It was always "his destiny as king" and "Rhaenyra will kill you and your siblings" but never "I love you" or even a warm smile from her
In the book Aegon even says “Why would I take my sisters throne from her?” showing how much he really didn’t want the throne and didn’t want the war to happen either. He was manipulated by Alicent and Otto to be king. I’m pissed they didn’t have him say this line in the show.
To be fair, only Septon Eustace claims he said that, and I don't believe much of what that guy had to say about the history.
Was just subtle. Watch it again.
at this point book and show is just completely different
The whole episode about Aegon trying to run away because he didn't want the responsibility of being king pretty much says that
It sucks how they made Aegon even worse than his worse depiction in the book
I definitely understand why he would ask his mama that question but it still breaks my heart that he doesn't feel like anyone in his family loves or cares about him
Tbh I don't really understand it. Alicent has done so much to protect him. The very reason she wants him crowned is to protect him. Did she scold him a lot? Sure, because he's done many idiotic things. But not once has Alicent given the impression, that she didn't love her son.
@@shimanopetermann9068 But has she ever said it? To a prince that has been told he is a challenge to Rhaenyra, this could have been seen as her securing her asset to him, nothing more then a tool to her ambition with Alicent never telling him those three words that could have helped so much
@@liamjacques5335 Tbh I've heard this so often in parent-child relationships and I don't get it. Not everything has to be spoken out lout. Affection is something you feel. If my mother - not some stranger but my own mother - goes out of her way to ensure that I'm safe, spoils me (and Aegon was definitely spoiled) and even explains to me how worried she is about my safety then it can be assumed she loves me without the need to say it. Also judging from Alicent's interactions with her other children and her general attitude in the show she doesn't strike me as someone who's not affectionate.
@@shimanopetermann9068 for some kids, confirmation, even one is important, I understand, my family doesn't say 'I love you' to each other, but we also didn't pressure each other with the idea that our own sister will kill us, Aegon knows that he's unfit and tried to run, and yet his mother and grandfather wanted him king, to him, who knew his dad would never change his mind, He probably saw himself as a tool his family was using and kept safe, not as loving family that wanted the best for him, Alicante saying you imbecile instead of something along the lines of 'I will always love you' wasn't helpful, the most vocal validation he got was from the people, and you could see that he craved it from them
@@shimanopetermann9068 Well, clearly, Aegon doesn’t feel it. Hence why he asked. And notice how she didn’t say it.
That one “you love me?” breaks my heart
Best scene after the coronation
Tom really was amazing in this episode 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Hey
It's scenes like this that I hope happen more often in season 2 since the time jumps will stop. Aegon being a dumb person but still smart enough to know that Viserys didn't change his mind on his deathbed and laughs at that notion lmao
No, this innocence gets beaten out of him in the worst ways imaginable. I am telling you...these people become unrecognizable as the war goes on.
he is not dumb he is much smarter than Aemond we were just not able to see it yet
@@queenxx1690 The fact that Aegon still questioned it while Aemond if jealous of his brother's future crowning says a lot. One questions the validity, and rightfully so, while the other is pissed it isn't him.
I agree to your perception of his idiocy. Elder Aegon's behavior during the family dinner scene in episode 8 gave him a very frivolous and low brow reputation, nevertheless that is just the tip of the iceberg. In ep9 he has displayed a deep sadness beneath the iceberg, solidified by years of neglect and pressure.
@@enlighten92 in ep 8 in dinner scene you can see that Aegon when he is left alone on side of the table he is watching Rhaenyra and Daemon and he is sitting opposite to Viserys only Aemond is somwhrre in the back that is forshadowing
This scene is so sad if only viserys showed his other kids love and raised aegon better he could have been a good man. At the end of the day all aegon wanted was love from his father
Viserys was a pretty shit parent. He lavished praise on Rhaenyra and never reprimanded her in the slightest, and actively hated or ignored his other children.
@@randomcenturion7264 for what i know in the book of House of the dragon viserys did love helaena and he showed love to her, one of his last moments before die was with her playing with his grandchildren
That’s because he loved his first wife Aemma more than Alicent. But that’s not the children’s fault at all, he should’ve done more for Aegon II, Helaena, and Aemond as a father. At least Alicent is trying to be a good mother, even though she really isn’t.
@@garlantyrell6368 yes, but for what i know, in the book actually viserys loved helaena and was there for her
Viserys was a terrible father
« You imbecile » hits different after the scene where Alicent puts herself in front of Meleys to protect Aegon. She betrayed her best friend, she started a war so she could respect Viserys’ « last wish » despite everything she hates about her son. Of course she loves him, he is her blood
No lol, she used him to gain power. He was just a pawn to her. She doesn't really care about him. Forced him to do something he didn't want to usurp Rhaenyra.
@@GenUrobutcherthe lack of understanding Alicents character is insane, maybe u should watch some of the actress’ interviews cuz lemme tell you that’s definitely not how she portrays alicent
Alicent put herself in front of a dragon to protect her son from getting burned first. If that doesn’t show how protective she is of her kids, I don’t know what will.
@@GenUrobutcherthe thing is because of how viserys was obvioulsy alice t would think sbe meant it from her pov so i mean all this was unnecessary jn the end
@@GenUrobutcher I can’t say that she doesn’t love her child. Alicent never wanted the life she had. She loved Rhaenyra, the two were practically sisters to one another. The majority of her choices she made in conspiring against Rhaenyra came from a place of fear (instilled by her father who just wanted power) and betrayal (she wanted to give Rhaenyra the benefit of the doubt about whether or not Rhaenyra “degraded” herself by having sex with Daemon in a brothel). Alicent didn’t believe her father’s accusations of Rhaenyra being a threat to her and her children. But when she caught Rhaenyra in a bold face lie, she came to the realization that perhaps Rhaenyra is no longer the sister that she once adored but the enemy. So to say that Alicent doesn’t love her children is simply untrue. One of her motivations for doing what she did to instill Aegon as King was to protect her children, to protect him. She had been instilling the fear of death into him since he was but a child. Saying to him that his very existence is a threat to Rhaenyra and her reign. Plus when she has that pause to consider what Aegon said to her when he asked if she truly loved him, I don’t think that was her lying when she responded. My reasoning is that if she didn’t love Aegon, then why would she go through all the trouble of getting him to be King when he doesn’t want it, especially when Aemond did want it and was technically next in line if something mysterious were to happen to Aegon. If Alicent didn’t love Aegon as you suggest, then why not kill him? Up until the moment she convinced him to take the throne, he’s been a burden on the family. Bottom line, Alicent does lover her children, in her own way. Sure it’s not perfect but no relationship is.
Aegon, Aemond, Helaena and Daeron were failed by Viserys. Tom portrays Aegon brilliantly.
While the show of vulnerability is good and all.
I REALLY like that over the course of the show, it has been shown that Aegon is not stupid. HE IS an idiot. But he is not stupid. He is surprisingly sharp witted and observant, he is also fundamentally a realist.
I mean the guy is aware that he is BAD, not enough to correct it, but that is honestly more self-awarness than anyone in his family. And intelligent enough to predict in the span of a few seconds what would his mother and grandfather would do and made a run for it.
But isn't it worse when people are aware that they're awful and don't attempt to be decent people?
@@Regenmacher175Aegon never had a chance to be decent. He was used as a pawn his whole life.
Aegon was not stupid. He knew it wasn't Viserys dying wish to him become king, it was Alicent who created that ilusion by misunderstanding the last words of Viserys. Why would he believe his father changed of mind and chose him as his succesor when in 20 years he kept Rhaenyra as his oficial heir?
I don't care what Viserys wished I still support Aegon regardless
In the book, it's said to Aegon that If his sister becomes Queen she will kill him, that's how he was persuaded into becoming king, this episode took a major drift away from the book. I hope they don't ruin it.
Don't care. Same outcome. The book is just based on speculations by those 'writing' it so any number of things could have persuaded him to take the crown in the end.
@Septic Neuron I hope they ignorte your garbage take. The first season was as good as it's going to get.
@Septic Neuron LOL I only denouce bad critiques of the show. You wrote all that and assumed a bunch of BS based on nothing just because you right-wing reactionaries got a chip on your shoulder. GRRM ain't a right-wing reactionary or a misogynist so I imagine women in the story will continue to get more nuance than you would give them if you were in charge of the story.
So what if Larys has a fixation on his crippled foot that transates into a fetish? It's better than what Fire and Blood gave us where we have little to no insight into what he thinks on anything. He's just a generic backstabber in the source text. Most of the characters the show focuses on are more nuanced and layered than what Fire and Blood gave us, Aemond included who was basically a caricature in the book. GRRM even said Viserys on the show was a lot more interesting and nuanced than Viserys in the book.
As for the action..oh yeah I'm so sure you wouldn't have been right here saying how boring the show was if we got 10 episodes without that one measly 5 minute-long battle in the Stepstones (which was shot beautifully and quite engaging tbh). I guess that was too much action for you LOL. I'm also sure in a show about the Dance of the Dragons there won't be any action at all...I mean...I can't take you seriously at all, dude. And as if people talking couldn't be interesting in and of itself and as if the show hadn't been exactly that all this time. You gotta stop making me laugh with your pathetic takes, dude.
I loved most of all of GOT and I watched that show since 2012. Season 8 features 2 of the best episodes of the entire show imo. Also you know both shows released weekly, right? Bingewatching would not be possible unless one wanted to wait for 10 weeks.
Also you gotta stop thinking there is 1 single way to say a show is either brilliant or trash. There's a lot of in-between and what anyone thinks depends in any case on what they consider to be good or bad. There are potentially 7 billion opinions on this show out there, none of them the "right one" because all art is subjective but maybe you aren't able to grasp that concept just yet.
The writers are real writers and also ain't gonna change because the showrunner wrote most of the show and approved what was written by others and GRRM is more deeply involved with the show anyway. Good times for us, bad times for you I fear LOL.
As a fellow book reader I gotta say, what a stupid take. This was very well done and F&B is just a historical synopsis of events, not a direct telling. There are some changes they’ve made that are pretty questionable. This isn’t one of them.
I like the show version more it gives aegon more depth as a character
This series doing what it does best: making a terrible character sympathetic, without expecting the audience to forget they're terrible. You don't need to love Aegon to understand him, Aegon does not need to be good for you to love him, and people can have a reason for doing things that are unjustifiable. Aegon's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters
I have no sympathy for rapist.
@@coricori7661 Do you have sympathy for the murderers that make up 80% of the cast?
@@coricori7661 I don't like him. But he is interesting to watch.
@@coricori7661hile I agree, by that logic nearly none of these characters are likeable. Deamon? Nope. Viserys? Nope. The list goes on. Also, you can have sympathy for a fictional character. Even for real rapists, you can have sympathy but still condemn them rightfully so.
If things go as I imagine they will, I'm quite confident that Aegon will proceed to lose all goodwill he ever got in the early days.
I don't know why people are saying she can't tell him she loves him. To me that "you imbecile" is like "how can you ask that? It's obvious that I love you"
Idk she reminded me of my mom right there 😂
Yup bro it's so obvious
Right. It's obvious that she loves them all.
I interpret that too, but part of me think Aegon wants to hear a straight answer, yes or no.
It shows me she a bad mom. Cause what aegon need to hear right there end then was ofcourse i love you my son.
@@Felzorful idk if he interpreted it right or wrong but it's true that what matters is how she treated him throughout the years. And Aegon has only perceived disappointment from her and Viserys, that's clear.
Really love Toms dark voice
I am shook that Olivia Cook and Tom Glynn who plays Aegon is only 2 years old apart !😭
After seeing them act on screen it's fine but yeah when they first announced the castings for this show I thought Olivia was going to play young Alicent and that an older woman would play older Alicent. It seemed jarring at first that both she and Emma D'arcy are both in their late 20s but would play characters who had children in their early 20s lol
@@Spongebrain97 Emma Darcy looks valid but Olivia looks so young
Alicent gave birth to Aegon when she was 14-15
You know, watching how much more complex the series made Aegon as compared to the book, and knowing where he ultimately ends up is actually so tragic.
Yeah, but I still think the decision to make him a rapist that has his bastard children fighting in a cage was dumb and unnecessary, just another way to vilify him and push the audience towards Rhaenyra even more
@@leonardohenrique5172 The book hinted that he had perverse sexual appetites. They imply that he was getting a blowjob from a literal child when they told him he was going to be crowned king. And the bastard kids thing is foreshadowing for a future character.
Everyone involved in the Dance either dies young or is a monster on some level or another, primarily because they are royals who are all fine with the idea of thousands (if not millions) of peasants and poor people dyring if it means they get to dictate how everyone else has to live.
@@leonardohenrique5172As if all the black team are so religious and celibate.
I just heard the ''do you love me?'' ''you imbecile'' lines are improvisations woah they made it 10x better
Alicent is a fascinating character , I love the way Olivia cooke portrays her, she is my favorite no doubt
Has she ever said I love you to her son? Even once? That would explain alot
that's cause she doesn't lmfao
I don’t think so. Despite her flaws as a mother, Alicent does love her children very much in a weird way. When Rhaenys attacked the coronation, she stepped right in front of her son in order for her to get burned first before him, trying to protect him from Meleys. One of the main reasons she is doing all of this is to protect her kids because she knows that if Rhaenyra succeeds Viserys, she might kill all of her children to secure her claim to the throne especially since she is now married to Daemon of all people. Plus, Alicent strongly defended Aemond for his injures when she could’ve just sided with Rhaenyra on the matter. She comforted Helaena in that brief clip regarding Vaemond’s death and ordered Criston to protect her only daughter while she went for Aegon. In the end, there is certain evidence to show that Alicent loves her children, even though they turned out a little unusual.
Part of why she acted as erratically in epsiodes 6 and 7 was because she had been convinced of the idea that her children would be killed should Rhaenyra ascend the throne....this is a big part of why she does everything she can to undermine Rhaenyra. It's fair to say that she does not want her children to die but she is mistaken as to the likelihood of that happening, given who Rhaenyra is at this stage. It indicates that she does love them.
@RUSHEIIS You do remember that a few scenes later, Alicent, without hesitation, stepped between her son and a bloody dragon, right? She was prepared to burn alive, shielding her son.
She does love him, she did a lot of things for him that could get her killed.
LOL Aegon was literally saying “STOP THE CAP” to his Mom 😂😂😂
At least he enjoyed being the new king afterwards
He is the true heir to iron throne
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 no he wasnt rhaenyra was viserys heir
@@unclephillymya is Robert was areys heir aegon is has power so takes the iron throne
@@tyffanie2134 yes that's the thing I want to say i am on team green
@@tyffanie2134 according to the law aegon is heir he was kings firstborn son
Aegon is goated can't wait to see Sunfyre the golden
I love how Aegon is the only one who knows Alicent is full of shit. 😂
Aegon is essentially Commodus from Gladiator if his mom were still around. It also says a lot of where Aegon's reign is headed.
I heard he isn't actually that bad at it. He's intelligent and cunning, just always drunk. Rhaenyra would be worse at reigning than him.
@@danika9411 Why? What evidence is there that Rhaenyra would have been a bad ruler if the realm had just accepted her?
@@JimmySteller Ob boy where should I start. I will use both information from the series and book.
First disregard of the smallfolk. In the book she calls them vermin and other stuff.
Second no concept for money. She is 18 when she is in Kingslanding and doesn't seem to know or understand that you have to pay for food. She bites of something, throws it back at the person selling the food ( idk the word salesperson? I'm not from an english speaking country ).
Later she doesn't realize how costly it is to hold the stepstones and built military outposts there. Lastly her taxes she is going to do. They are very high and the people of Kingslanding can't afford them, but she is too far removed from everyday life, that she is unable to recognise what people can and can't do for her. Also her taxing having "bastard" children. Your child was born outside of marriage, now pay me is rediculous.
Third she doesn't understand the game of thrones at all. It is teasered already in ep 4 or 5, that she believes that it is possible to do politics without any of the nobles or houses having self interest.... Yeah. We also see this when she sends Luce with nothing to lord Borros Baratheon. Jace could get the Vale and the north, because he is charismatic and made marriage pacts. He bethrothed his younger brother Joffrey to the Vale and his unvonceived, unborn daughter to lord Cregan Stark. He stayed there a few weeks, they hunted together and he really made an impression.
What has Rhaenyra done in the past? She alienates houses as seen on her tour to find a husband by insulting them, encourages a fight between Bracken and Blackwood. Not that they need encouragement, but she should have broken it up. She insults lady Redwyne in Ep 3. She insults other noble houses when choosing a kingsguard. The right thing would have been to listen to everyone with patience and then choosing who you think is right and thank everyone for attending.
There is so much more, but the comment is already long as it is. She doesn't have what it takes to be a good politician. I think she was spot on in episode 1, when she said, she wants to ride on dragonback with her friend, see the wonders of the word and eat only cake. I think she would have been very happy without politics. She's just not good at it.
In that case you could say let her small council reign. But her small council is not very competent either....
'My Dad never liked me'
'Yet'
Jesus.
There is no Jesus in that world 😂
I love that Aegon is laughing at all this cap from Alicent lmaooo
Say what you all will about Alicent but at the end of the day, she truly loves her children dearly. She’s always been protective of them since day one and she blatantly defended Aemond when he lost his eye. She also stepped in front of Meleys to protect Aegon II from getting burned first. If that doesn’t prove to you that she loves him, I don’t know what will. And she also tries to spend a little but of time with her only daughter Helaena, as evidenced in episode 6.
Compare kids and Rhaenyra did a lot better job as a mother.
I don't care if she was a good mother. So was Cersei, a true villain. Alicent is still the woman who willfully misinterpreted her husband's dying words and that was purely because she DID want power after all.
I felt so sorry for Aegon in this scene. His mother can’t even say she loves him
But Alicent genuinely loves her children very deeply, including her eldest. She literally stepped in front of a dragon to protect Aegon II from getting burned first.
Henwas a rapist
@@garlantyrell6368 I think Aegon knew his mom loved him, but he wanted to hear it from her. Just one time.
2:04 Aegon is perhaps the most tragic character in HOTD. Here we have someone who was ignored by his father in favor of his sister and abused by his mother. He was forced to marry his sister at a young age and was used by the Hightowers as a political tool despite not wanting to be king. Yet he did it anyways to please his mother. Even what happened with Ayana can be somewhat explained. Because no one loved Aegon including his wife he went after a woman who took care of him and reminded him of his mother.
While Aegon may not be a good person I think it's important to remember that Aegon was conditioned from an early age to be what he is.
At least he fecked up his enemies
Didn’t he rape Ayana?
The most tragic???😂😂😂😂😂Bruh! not even close.
Sunfyre was his only friend - the only one to have ever shown him unconditional love and he was forced to watch him wither away and die...
That look of pride as he believed in his last breaths his father thought him worthy and loved, a shame it is a all misunderstanding and that in the end his father DID love his children; he just loved Rhaenyra more.
Brilliant writing that makes you feel empathy for a drunken, cowardly and clumsy rapist. He's the product of years of emotional neglect.
Very true
To say that Aegon is coward is a mistake)
It’s just brilliant writing and building of characters. People don’t even think about characters like Jaime or Khal Drogo being rapists because the writing and acting is excellent
“Have the decency to look grateful.” Uhmm you forced and peer pressured him to do this Alicent. I feel bad for Aegon he’s been neglected forever by his own family. His mother is a bit controlling and bossy towards him. At least she’s better and more fair than Cersei ever was to her kids.
Cersei's love was akin to ownership, because like Alicent, her life was a prison.. but she did love them.
The difference between Cersei and Alicent is the fact that Cersei isn't intellectually dishonest. There was never any shame in her game. She wanted power. She wanted her children in power and she never wavered from that. It's why I will ALWAYS prefer and respect her over many in this series. She owned her shit. Do you think Cersei would allow that flimsy excuse of Viserys words to kickstart her already preconceived idea that her son would be King? No. She'd just do it. No prostration. No excuses.
And it's weird because book Alicent is almost identical to Cersei, right on down to the scheming
@@janellejulianajoy to be fair alicent genuinely thought he was talking about aegon.
That man was hated from before he was born , he has to pay for the sins of his carless ignoring father , who just concieved him bcz Alicent was hot , has to pay for his mother's teenage conflicts with her best friend , his uncle hates him bcs he pushed more the line of succession and he sees otto in him , Rheanyra hates him as competitor for the throme , everyone has problems bcz of his birth & he was raised that its his fault , least he desrves from this life is the throne
Looking at Aegon in this episode, I'm strongly reminded of a joke from The Editing Room. In one of their abridged scripts, they cover a film which features a character in a similar position to Aegon. The script has him declare incredulously: "So your plan was to cut me off from my passions, force me into a loveless marriage, generally abuse and alienate me, and then...make me your ruler?"
I think about that line whenever I see a scenario like Aegon's. Like, that scene where he glances coldly at each of his family members expecting them to bow to him as he's crowned king. All of them look apprehensive or reluctant as they bow, and I'm just baffled. Did they have no notion that he might not take kindly to the way they've treated him all his life?
Aegon is basically AJ from the Sopranos reincarnated as a Targaryen prince.
Lmao basically
Holy fucking shit that's accurate
So you saying Targs are fantasy mafias
@@Nicholas_Chen_ Goes without saying, but most unelected governments are.
aj was a good person just dumb. aegon is not really a good person
Valid question 🤣🤣
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And a valid answer lol
@@isiaharellano3789 not really
Aegon says multiple times that his father would never make him king because Viserys didn't like him, and then, with the context on his mind that one of his parents thought he was awful, he asks his mother if _she_ loves him, and she calls him an imbecile lol. The show's done a good job at making me feel sympathy for this terrible guy
I can understand aegon his father wasn’t there for him viserys always stood by rhaneyra.
I love how in this scene Aegon is fully aware that he is going to be an usurper, acknowledging Rhaenyra as the heir chosen by Viserys, but can’t really do anything with the Hightowers being the masterminds
The greatest mistake of this show is focusing so much on the Alicent / Rhaenya relationship that they completely neglected Aegon / Rhaenyra. i would have loved to see how Aegon feels about his older sister and his father obvious preference towards her, and how Rhaenyra feels about how Aegon has turned up. Also how Alicent's paranoia poisons it.
Aegon and rhaenerya were never close. After rhaeneyras wedding Allicent did her best to keep him away from her
Massive spoiler:
This broken, drunken king is gonna feed Rhaenyra to his dragon Sunfyre and win the war.
Because he is gonna stop drinking after his sons death)
At least she could say YES.. even just words.. this type of moments saying good things to those type of people on desperate or despair situation hearing encouraging words helps a lot.... Thats my instincts is saying
Aegon is misunderstood.... he's still a twat but nevertheless misunderstood. I think alicent understands this in some way...... she may be the only one who does.
Crazy cause in the books Cole convinces Aegon
Find it funny how for years Viserys prayed and wished for a son and that alone caused the death of Aemma his first wife and then Alicent gave him 3 healthy sons and a daughter yet only for a short time he gave Aegon attention from such a age he probably doesn’t remember his father cared about him but then named Rhaenyra heir when he could’ve listen to Aemma and saw with his own two eyes that she couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to produce him a healthy son and earlier could’ve stayed married to her and named Rhaenyra heir would’ve made things so much easier and with that he could’ve married her to Daemon someone who people were looking at to take Viserys place to began with.
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Otto is right about Alicent. She believes what she wants to believe and neglects the facts that don't align with her emotions. This is why her political moves contradict each other from time to time
If I were aegon I would have taken Sunfyre and flown to dragon stone, if he didnt really wanted the crown
So they can kill him in dragon stone genius
Haha! As if Rhaenyra would spare him! And what about Daemon?
@@angryyoungman66 no way she kills him nor daemon, he is literally supporting her claim and submitting to her. Rhaenyra and team black would realized that without Aegon on their side they have no claim
@@rivenbush2233 true she wouldn't but daemon is more evil than people think.
Are we going to ignore the part where alicent tells ageon not to kill rhaenyra. If alicent really believed that Vesris wasn't taking about thire ageon . If she really planned to steal the throne she would tell ageon to kill rhaenyra
by giving him the dagger?😂
It represents power after all. I was amazed by it, but the moment he was truly convinced was when the crowd cheered for him
And he even doesn't know what that dagger stands for
@@Piotr12396nobody does after Rhaenyra dies so who cares . Only Jaehaerys II finds out 100 years later
Why theres is sheeps in king landing?
Business is boomin
Some people keep missing the point,he's well aware Alicent loves him, he's not asking because he doesn't know he's asking because he doesn't know why she still wastes her time with him, why she still believes he can get one thing right, she loves him and is actually probably the only person who does so, but he also thinks he doesn't deserve that love because of what he is and what he does. Profusely since he s the first kid, he s the one who understands her pain the best and he can't comprehend how he s loved despite the way he happened. He knows he s a disappointment to her and that he disappoints her everyday by reminding her he s no better than the man who forced him and his siblings into her.
The scene is actually inverse.
He looks like Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance 😂
I didn’t connect with Aegons character enough to feel bad for him. He is a drunken fool. But what I love about this scene is Alicent urging Aegon not to put Rhaenyra to the sword. I love even more that in the next episode we see Rhaenyra making her sons swear to voyage only as messengers and not warriors to secure allies. It’s those little glimpses where we see that for all the faults of both team Green and team Black, both Queens are still trying to hold the realm together and raise little humans who aren’t cruel or impulsive. Both are still trying to save some semblance of Viserys last wishes - whatever they believe them to be.
These comment section is so sick with hate
I have such mixed emotions towards Aegon. On the one hand, he's a rapist, womanizing lecher who uses his title as an excuse to get away with whatever he wants. On the other hand, he never wanted to become king. He was perfectly happy to let Rhaenyra sit the throne. He only took up the title after being goaded into it by his mom and grandad, fed by stories that Rhaenyra would kill him if he didn't. Still not quite sure where he sits for me.
Why does she call him an imbecile??
“I obviously love you, you imbecile. How could you even ask such a stupid question?”
Why did Samuel tarleys father make him take the black or their would be a hunt??
Because lords and kings couldn’t just Passover it’s succession LAW…. Viserys said even I’m not above tradition and duty…. It’s stupid because only way was for him as king was to change succession rights which rhaenyra planned to do to get her own loyal lords or for him to make her queen and step down…. His word was law while alive he could have done that…..
"dou you love me ?"
"you imbecile"
- what a terible thing to say to a son
She always mistreated him, that is doubtless. But that's not because she doesn't love him. Alicent does everything for her children even though it does not look like it.
After all she has no reason to fear from Rhaenyra, because she never posed any threat to Rhaenyra's succession.
But we know very well where Rhaenyra's morality lies. She shed no tears for her son's father after his death. She did not show even the smallest amount of grief for someone she supposedly "loved". She wasn't touched when her father died either, only after learning, that Aegon was crowned. She got rid of her prievous husband, and lied about not having any relation in his "death".
Alicent had every reason to worry about her sons, and no one worries for someone they don't love. Also don't forget, when Rhaennys intervened the coronation, and directed Meleys towards the greens she literally stood in front of him, protecting him with her own body.
So by imbecile she meant: "Why would you even ask that, isn't it obvious?"
I like that even though Rhaenyra and Alicent have grown apart she still asks her son to not kill Rhaenyra if he is advised to do so. Even more so if the roles were reversed Rhaenyra may kill her sons to secure her claim of the throne.
Because at this point she hoped to negotiate a peace deal with Rhaenyra. But now that the war is on one of them has to kill the other to secure the throne. Alicent acknowledges that in the new trailer
@@pg1448and we all know which kills the other 🗿💪💛🔥🍗
Wrong aegon 😂
Everyone seems to feel bad for Aegon and nobody caring about him, but seem to not ask WHY nobody cares about or likes him. It’s because he’s a twat. And he never thought to change his ways.
And he's the king & and he'll burn ur fake queen
He’s not a good guy just because he felt neglected. Plenty of princes and lordlings feel neglected growing up (with their parents duties dividing attention), they don’t all end up like him. If he was so distraught about his own circumstances, maybe he should’ve paid more attention to his own kids he left around town instead of neglecting them to seedy brothels and underground fighting pits, whereas he got “neglected” in a palace. He was right to not want it, he and seemingly everyone knows he’ll be terrible because he’s a terrible person.
Do you Think Rheanyra or Daemon are good guys? He's clearly done less harm then either of them
@@jonsnow2791 None of them are good. But strangely enough. The only one that is self aware enough is Aegon. Which is an interesting twist.
@@jonsnow2791 Aegon has done less harm than them because Aegon isn't an adult yet. Give him time and he could be up here lmao
ffs Aegon already makes his bastard offsprings fight in a pit against other. HE ISN'T EVEN AN ADULT YET.
In the unlikely event I ever have children. I my greatest hope is that they will never have reason to wonder if I or their mother loves them.
Just to be on the safe side. I am no way trying to excuse, justify, or defend Aegon atrocious behavior. But I think the fact he smiled as he declared that Viserys did not love him and appeared genuinely curious when he asked Allicent if she loves him goes a long way in explaining how he ended up the way he did.
Alicents children were raised as Hightowers. Not Targaryens.
Not true they dragon ride practice incest and are every bit of the targaryen madness
Even Aegon knows this coup is unmitigated horseshit. Nothing more than Otto and Alicent committing treason. In her heart of hearts, even she doesn't believe Viserys wanted Aegon king.
This is my life story maybe I am a Targaryen My family likes me but they don't like some other people and I cannot live my life properly It's true I am speaking honestly This is not a fiction maybe I am not a king but It is like real life version
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I don’t understand how Alicent (or anyone else) could possibly believe they’re protecting him by declaring him King. You’re doing the opposite of protecting him- you’re putting a giant fucking target on his back. The King already named his heir. Do we not all know how this turned out? Instead of trying to make amends with Rhaenyra they went to war/did what they thought was best to “protect” their children and almost everyone was killed. The dragons soon became extinct. Rhaenyras line inherited the throne anyway. Rhaenyras definitely not perfect but she’s miles above Aegon. You know, the guy who rapes his servants and watches orphans fight to the death and literally admitted he has no interest in ruling. If you’re pro green I want to shake you
Because in their eyes, Rhaenyra asks Aemond to be sharply questioned ( tortured ) after he says the truth, kills her husband, marries the most cruel person who HATES Otto and Alicent and is known for killing his first wife, then kills Vaemond , even thought the king's order is to cut his tongue.
The greens had no choice but declare Aegon king to get power. Otherwise , Rhaenyra would take the crown, put her people into power and it would be easier to her to kill her brothers.
Rhaenyra's reign is doomed to end up with war, either between her/ her children and her brothers or between her 3 bastards sons with her 2 legitimate sons. The bastard problem would last for generations. That's why GRRM killed her 3 bastards in the book, otherwise there would have been another dance.
Named her when she was the only living child , now there is better options true born sons , Viserys should clear up their purpose of being born
Am I wrong to ship these two I mean the actors are 1 year apart 😅
...In the story, Alicent is Aegons mother. Not even the Valyrians married their parents and considered it gross af. The only one who was RUMORED to have commited such an act is a man literally called "Aegon the Unworthy" who was said to have fucked his bastard daughter. And even then it was a rumour.
Well in some analyses of their scenes together people have clocked the uncomfortable oedipal vibes these two have hahaha.
Yes. You Are Wrong. It's Okay To Ship The Actors, But Not The Characters. Even In Old Valyria, Children Did Not Marry Their Mothers or Fathers.
Rhaenyra was raised to be a queen. Aegon was privileged to be a prince. He loved them both, but only raised one of them with a sense of duty.
But she wasn't? It's literally her flaw
except Rhaenyra has no sense of duty
Ahe wasn't raised to be anything . She never cared about anything , she was looking for knights she can f*ck in her whole life 😂😂
Alicent doesn't fail Aegon as a mother who wants what's best for her child, but she fails him as a mother who provides the emotional support her son needs.
Viserys loved Aegon how could he say that he didn’t like him
Viserys didn't even give a fuck when his son Aemonds eye got cut out. I don't think he ever showed much interest and love to Alicents children, Rhaenyra was his "only child" as he said himself.
@@pg1448 In the books Helena and him had good relationship
Viserys loved aegon 🤣😭
Viserys loved the idea of having a son by aemma theres a difference
Viserys liked him when he was a cute baby,when he grew into a Teenager who needed guidance Viserys was no where to be seen