Vintage Breaks LYING To Cover Up Pack Swapping SCAM
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2022
- Vintage Breaks is out with an explanation to what happened when breaker Chris Gilmore swapped packs of 1981 Topps Basketball off camera. But it backfires when he's caught in another lie. WTF is going on over at Vintage Breaks?
At first man I didn't know how I felt about you and your channel. I thought you were hurting the hobby with negativity but after watching you for a while I can say Thank God for you man. If you wasn't here putting in work we would have no idea about the straight up scum baggs that are in this hobby. Thanks for all you do brotha.
I was the same way at first..But they really do help with the hobby and I like there attitude they don't care how big or small if you F up they on your a**
I feel and now feel the same way!!
I am totally with this as long as there is direct, obvious evidence. And there is.
He is very negative
@@AchillesWrath1 It would be nice if at least some of his videos were about other subjects yes
And that was NOT a crisp pack opening, it practically popped up on its own. I would NEVER use them after seeing this.
Yeah, he's trying too hard there to make the viewers believe it. And not even a little gum stain? From a 1981 pack? The card he leaves up after pulling them out should have had SOMETHING of the gum on it, but it didn't. He didn't even wipe any dust off it.
@@Oz1976 all great points. Plus he’s just plain disgusting 🤢 lol
Also, no gum residue made it on that DAN ISSEL card after 40+ years? No stains either.
Agreed, no pop. One shady dude.
CRAPPY ATTEMPT AT TRYING TO CONVINCE US ITS AN UNOPENED PACK...I OPENED UP TONS AS A KID & I GUARANTEE THAT WAS NO " POP" SOMEBODY DONE PICKED THE 🍒😛
The nerve thinking it’s an inconvenience that he has to explain everything he does. The very nature of a breaker is to explain everything they do. Saying he didn’t want to waste time saying the pack looked “yammed”. Are those extra few seconds that precious to him ? He is just blatantly lying.
100% agree
I actually used to think Vintage breaks was a cool idea and have gotten in on one break in the past. I recently decided to give it another shot with them but after seeing this they will never get another dime of my money
Yes when you are taking peoples money and providing a service on camera. You need to explain everything you are doing. They aren’t paying you to do whatever you feel like doing.
You think that would go without saying but I guess not with some people
200%. The fact that he is irritated by this and acting the way he is shows everything. This is the first I’ve heard of these guys, (sorry not sorry) but a different approach should have been one of humility. “You know we probably could do this different etc….”
Couldn't have said it better.. The fact he's acting like " OHHH I GUESS I NEED TO SHOW EVERY DAMN THING ON CAMERA" .... Like yeah, that's F'ING obvious, you're a card breaker. Obviously just a complete scammer and quite frankly he comes off as a HUGE Pr*ck
Please please please keep informing us on all these “shady “ breakers and members of the card world. We need to know all this! Keep up the good job!
This clown pulled the old switcheroo on those loyal customers who buy into his breaks, and what’s worse is that he tried to justify his magic trick with another pack. What a SCAM, eh?
Unfortunately, most of these people who scam are so used to doing it that they don't realize when they've tipped their hand on camera.
I'm so curious how he knew that was a good pack to keep?? Like what was his "tell"
@@billybats4745 it may have been the wrapper itself. I believe it had something to do with the label, design, etc. that made him pull off his shenanigans. Only he and other scammers know what to look out for, IMO.
@@billybats4745 it wasn't what he knew to keep...it is what he knew to switch it for. The pack he actually opened originally was a resealed pack! If you watch him open it, it tears , meaning glue, the original packs open easy like the 2nd pack he opened. They put nice RCs, Superstars in repacks, but they're off centered badly or knicked, so they might get a 5,6 or 7, but won't gem. Yet customers are happy they hit a RC or Superstar.
"Ya Dip Daniel" is the new "Brandin Cooks to 99". I love that their explanation was a screw up too!
MA MOREEE HOT PAWKETTTTTS
Or a "knock at the door"...
What does 'ya dip daniel' mean?
Bunch of thieves! Don’t buy into breaks!
even if we assume he made an honest mistake, any good breaker knows that you never do ANYTHING off camera
Unfortunately, the hobby has always had shady characters as far back as the eighties. It's hard trusting dealers when you see games like this going on. A few ruin it for all.
Shady characters existed in the '70's also. That's when they started opening up the wax packs and replacing the stars with commons and resealing the wax with heat.
Yup just now alot of more money at stake. I still can’t believe why people continue to do these breaks and even more after these questionable behaviors as Sportscardsradio pointed out from priors.
Lol you hear the crisp wax pop lol.
I can’t believe people break with people like this. I imagine some of these people bought into Terra crypto 🤣, my guess newbie collectors vs seasoned collectors.
gilmore has been playing his game for over 10 years i can remember
If this is an employee, fire him. If he's an owner, he needs to walk away and be done.
The incompetency on display there is hilarious. How lazy do you have to be to not at least get the backing right for your mea culpa?
Now Gilmore said he will produce the “correct” pack at 6pm EST today. The scrambling behind the scenes must be crazy. And by the way, those corners on 1981 are typically “hacked”, but also come out pretty crisp too. And he should know that.
Why do people pay for someone else to rip cards. Will never understand 🤦🏻♂️
they cant afford or cant get a box themselves
It's a cheap way to at least have a chance
@@jojosleezy There's a huge divide in the hobby, it seems like everyone is either a millionaire or middle class. A lot of these rich guys who can buy cases but are cheap can't empathize with people who want to break who cant afford full boxes or are looking for specific teams/players and want to rip in the most economically sound manner.
@@jojosleezy not cheap
@@jojosleezyno it isn't lol
You can see he looked at the pack and he must have seen something good through the packaging.
This breaker is so sketchy, he looks like the actor that would play him. 🤣
LOL. "Again, Ted Hallson didn't ask for this pack" Here's a thought, Maybe Ted would just like the original pack he paid for!
3:36 So you're telling me that in 41 years, no gum residue made it on that DAN ISSEL card? That was a fake resealed pack and gum.
That pack opened way too easy... and I've opened hundreds
I’m guessing that these scammers are getting sick and tired of sports card radio. Great job and keep up the great work SCR!
The truth doesn’t care about your emotions snowflake. AC is a rough town.
@@DansVintageBaseballPC no I haven’t. Will check it out though.
Quit deflecting Daniel…and get off VBs payroll. You are part of the problem that is afraid of accountability
You silly person. I have a profession. I’m not getting anything from VB except for some amazing vintage hits over the last couple of years.
@@DansVintageBaseballPC that video was a nothing burger
Keep on keeping on SCR! Keep the pressure on these scammers we all know don't care about their customers. They think we are all sheep, and ignorant enough to keep funding their scams. Enough is enough! It's beyond ridiculous that all these companies and breakers you expose still have idiots that promote and buy their lies. Thanks again for your contribution.
Vintage brakes is done. I would never trust that son of a b****... Everybody's out to scam you with this money involved
Instant classic! Always interesting to see how someone responds, when called out.
The truth should be easy, this BS response only makes the original issue standout even more.
group breaks are pure cancer for the hobby. I called it over a decade ago.
@Ozsportscard 2 it was cool when the breaker was just a collector themselves and not making it a for profit business. They got a little tip for running the break and everyone felt good. However, It got really gross, really fast.
That and grading companies switching your card(s) are my biggest fears
I can't believe people still buy into breaks that don't keep the product on camera AT ALL TIMES. I'm more of a modern collector, but have seen a few of their videos and the camera quality is horrible. Way too zoomed in to not scream shady.
This looks like they in the original video he accidently included (or thought he accidently included) a non resealed pack and they have some scheme where they ration desirable cards to keep people on the hook. He was scared a non cherry picked pack might be a jackpot he had to share. Obviously this is all a theory but I can't think of another reason why that pack was so special.
Also what a coincidence that replacement pack was pretty much garbage.
He also might have accidentally grabbed a pack that had a valuable card in it. I don't know if the coalition on these is as predictable as something like 1986 Fleer or if he was even pulling these from an original box.
Thanks for your do diligence and follow up video. I commented on your last video, and he responded "the original pack is damaged, so I swapped it." Keep every pack and every card on camera, period. People pay huge amounts for integrity and transparency. If you "swap" a pack out, explain why and don't be shady afterwards.
Hold these scumbag “breakers” to account! Great work as always.
Never Buy Into Breaks - should be Ingrained into every collector out there.
1000000000%
I've been collecting for 30+ years & have never paid for a break (With the exception of $20 just to feel it out).
Huge waste of $$$$
Buy your own shit & rip it
@@raidersacdc4892 lol even now thats shady. Its gotten crazy.
@@LambeauLeeeper unfortunately you are correct in some aspect.
I've had plenty success.
If it was “damaged” he should have explained that in the original video before swapping. So shady
Chris Gilmore, I remember this name all over scammer sites
Yea was and still is a admin on a couple different scammer pages. He was as of yesterday deleting any mention of this. He did the same when he was involved in a big PSA submission scam.
It’s amazing that he is still even relevant in this hobby…
He is a crook! More people need to stop using these breakers and break your own packs. If you cannot afford the pack, then wait until you can. Crooks will always band together to support their scam!!!!!
What a clown...gets called out for dishonest breaking and tries to play the victim.
Yeah he started getting all defensive with people with chats on call outs on his questionable behavior and he knew he was caught. Is it that hard to be honest? Must be for some people.
Another great video. Thanks SCR. I get all my behind the scenes scam busting from you guys. Appreciate the content. Keep up the good work.
What makes this situation crazy is that this guy was an admin on a huge scammer call out group. I can imagine that’s why everyone was defending him at first, he’s been banned from what I seen.
What’s even more crazy is all the top admins in the scammer group were covering for him and deleting the post that called this POS out for his fraudulent behavior
I used to think it was just a problem with CC2, Packman, CZcams breaker fans but now I’m realizing it’s across the board. I’ve been looking at this breaker because I want to put this set together but no thanks. Keep doing what you’re doing. People who don’t understand what you’re channel is about will never understand
Packman is the most legit on the platform. CC2 is a tool
@@ayeitskq those silver-packs from The National that Packman opened were very suspect.
@AyeltsKQ He was at one point. Ended up with the whatnot crew, loaded silver packs and starting to suspect loaded boxes. He hasn’t even addressed the loaded packs except with a bogus statement about the collation. Hitman breaks received loaded black boxes, acknowledged it and people still give him a pass. Swapping packs, loaded reviews are just a small piece of what’s wrong with this hobby. People defending the crap makes it worse.
Packman fooled us with his silver packs and he get that special Influencer treatment by the looks of it. Packman could give a rats as about me but sports card radio has my interest in mind which is to look out for the average Joe.
I'm not a Packman fan boy, but I don't see how he benefits from opening those loaded packs. It's so obviously out of the realm of what should have happened that he'd be a moron to knowingly open 10 stacked packs on one video and not think he'd be called out.
Says multiple times how "this is the pack, if you look you can see, this is the pack" clearly that is not the pack. Dude is shady, and thinks the rest of us are stupid. He just keeps digging himself deeper in the hole.
His fan boys that comment on his feed are either the biggest idiots on the face of the earth or are in on it with him..
I wasn’t sure about this guy at first when I started watching his videos but man I’m addicted now watching him bust these scammers! Love it!!
There’s a couple of good channels including this one that exposes scumbag breakers. I buy & rip my own shit
Man you guys are awesome. These scammers need to get out of the hobby
I just started watching your videos recently and I think you guys are doing a good thing. Lots of scammers out there and they need to be identified so customers don't get screwed. I used to break and would never let the cards ever go off camera. It is just a shame that people feel the need to be greedy and scam people that are just trying to enjoy collecting cards. Keep it up! Ya dip, Daniel! Haha! Love it!
That's it, you guys are now the most entertaining thing in the hobby right now! Keep doing what you do, cheers.
"You dipped Daniel? Ya dipped, why ya dip?"
Almost as legendary as "Brandon Cooks ta Nindy Nye"
It’s now in the history books w the mystery cooks
LOL-Daniel was smart. That is why he dipped.
@@fastesteddiealive theres somebody at the door
@@ericmurphy7976 you can’t make this crap up. Bunch of scam artists.
what is most frustrating is that they're never held accountable. They literally have enough sycophants to keep making money and being allowed to deny, deny, deny.
At this point even if they do eventually open a pack on camera that *could* have been the original pack there is a zero percent chance that it actually is the original pack.
Funny that he’s confusing Jim Paxton, who never played with MJ’s Bulls, with his brother John Paxton who played the Steve Kerr role for the Bulls before Steve Kerr.
You are right, I posted earlier and forgot that..like you said John played for Bulls, role player. His bro was not too known. John’s card while I have not looked can’t be too much being a role player for the Bulls MJ era.
If I was Ted, I would be doing a dispute in charges if he paid Cc.
I put a comment on their live stream. They saw it. Their faces changed and then went right to the next comment. Didn't address it and don't want to be exposed. Guys are a scam
Even if it were true he swapped the pack because the pack appeared damaged, anyone with any decency would state thats what they are doing. VB needs to cut this guy loose.
STOP BREAKING WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS! These people are con artists. We have to start standing up as a community and demanding better. These people have NO business in the hobby!
Thank you guys for you’re steadfast monitoring of these crooks. Its obvious some shit was going down here
Holy Shit! Where are the fan boys today?
Growing up my dad and I loved going to the local card shop and buying boxes or packs, I haven’t gotten back into collecting or go to card show anymore mainly because of how horribly shady these influencers and box breakers are. Now I’m not saying everyone is shady, but the hobby is looking rough these days. Keep up the good work showing the dark side of the hobby
These kind of guys are the future of breaking. It's in the process of being monopolized and any channel on any social media platform that has large numbers of followers will be in the club and the rest will be watching whatnot
He might as well say Brandon Cooks to /99
There may be something fishy about the pack he opened. I've opened a lot of these, and the leaders cards seem to be packed together. This one had a couple leaders cards together, then a random one at the end. Maybe this is just an outlier, or a "bad packing day at the factory," the way some of these have been explained.
Not to mention that the pack he opened in the 'redo' was still not the original pack. This one opened much differently than the one in the other video, which makes is seem like at a minimum one of these packs is a little fishy. Also, the jam he cited as the reason for swapping packs certainly didn't seem to impact even a single corner of any card in the pack. One way or the other, something shady went down here, probably twice
@@BaseballCardIllustrated Thanks for your reflections; I totally agree, all three parts of this episode stink. And I commend you on your excellent command of syntax and sentence structure. Many commenters have intelligent things to say that get lost in their horrible writing. (Can you tell I was once an English teacher back in the day?)
Probably ate the pack off camera
I love that attempt at misdirection with the “aw shucks” commentary (in the original switch video). Then the victim card gets played later. Sheesh
Bro you are the man Do Not take your foot off they necks
And thank you for what you do 💯
We appreciate you
I run a small break page on Facebook. I would NEVER take any product off camera once we’ve gone live. Every single box and pack stays on camera and in view for all to see until I open and expose every card for the camera. Period. I am extremely careful with this as to avoid the appearance of something nefarious.
The entire hobby now can't be trusted. It's a sad state of affairs. NEVER BUY INTO BREAKS!
I wouldn't say that the entire hobby can't be trusted, but it's always been the case that you need to be careful and take calculated risks. My son picked up on this first hand about 20 minutes into his first card show at probably age 9. But it's not the whole hobby. As for breaks--I do about a break a month, using one company I like. It's been great and good fun. I think you can buy into breaks safely, with some due diligence and realizing that it's a calculated risk.
@@Steve_Thompson Were you positive they didn't weigh them before the break?
@@Steve_Thompson this guy Steve Thompson is in all of Vintage Breaks chats during breaks defending them lmao he was just there 15 minutes ago. Another shill, probably one of their breakers even. And they were deleting all the negative comments.
@@Wheres-Wolfie only break with people that do all the openings on camera.. and maybe sadly no wax? or just trust them I guess.
Y swap the pack? It looks like it was re-sealed maybe? Strange...
He still swapped it out faster than dipping with Daniel & eating cheeseburgers. Pretty funny how he gets all mad in his new fake pack break 🤣
I find it hard to believe that Leighton is OK with this. I've spent a lot of money years ago through vintage breaks and never had an issue. He needs to be fired before he ruins the vintage breaks name. Clearly without a doubt it was a pack swap.
There was zero damage to the card that the gum contacted for over 40 years! Absolutely no residue was transferred! Amazing!
Yep! First thing I noticed, not even a little bit of dust to be wiped off...and he exposed that card back first to the camera for all to see. Resealed pack
@@Oz1976, Absolutely a resealed pack. For that very reason is why he stressed hearing a “pop”. He’s not trustworthy according to his actions.
His comment how crisp it opened lol, granted I am no vintage collector but like you said there would be some residual..they lost all credibility.
Nice work once again, boys! Keep it coming...
You can clearly see the original first pack was also in great shape no dinged corners
This is pretty damning lmao. I can still picture hundreds of sheep throwing money his way regardless lmao
The pack/box should always stay on Camera. PERIOD....
They really think you card ppl are stupid. If small timers are doing shady scams like this,imagine what the bigger players are doing. ..It’s not hard to shrink wrap and “reseal”
There are shrink wrapping machines you can buy online. Unfortunately people buying into the breaks are too trustworthy, while there are some really good honest breakers, they are plenty of bad shady ones. The part I never get is people will still buy into these breaks regardless of reputation or questionable prior history.
Gilmore gotta go!
The hobby is beyond crazy at this point! Not only can you not trust breakers, grading companies consistency and their autograph authentication, we can’t even trust the card companies anymore as they have fake auto’s. Very sad!
So true
Thanks so much for these videos, tryin to keep people honest is a worthy task. I need to know so i can decide who to trust
Keep up the great work. Love these videos exposeing everyone
Vintage Breaks…that guy is a scammer. What a piece of work. Thanks for calling this joker out!
Keep exposing these scoundrels...your doing gods work.
Dude knows he's in the wrong !! What a scammer
Keep up the great work. These scamming breakers make the hobby suck. So glad I will never deal with people who don't show the whole table and keep everything in front of them. They set the cameras up just so you can see what they want you to see.
Time for another video...especially the jokers that were on and his response..again good job. Appreciate you.
Nice work, SCR. Inexcusable
Great job exposing the ones who are trashing this awesome hobby. Haters gonna hate, keep doing you! Nice work
Thank you for exposing stuff like this.
Good video! Thanks for posting and keeping people honest.
They wouldn’t address me in their comment section…. Unfortunately it wasn’t this guy…. But the guy ripping said they were looking for a sidekick
Thanks for the heads up. Another one to add to my list.
Ty bro for the 411 on these scumbags…just got back into the hobby after 10 years out of it. God prices are sick.I’m from south Philly and these Yokels think
They are slick….Their great great great granddaddy’s probably snake oil salesmen. Lol.
He just gave his explanation. (Basically I just grabbed the wrong pack I'm human blah blah). Then he opened it and it had zero glue on it lol. It literally fell open like he didn't even try to heat it when he resealed it.
I thought his whole reason for putting it to the side was to see if the corners were bad. Then he opens the pack and doesn't mention it.
JRI who does similar breaks is not cheap, but they run a great show and bust open graded packs daily along with sealed product. Lots of vintage. Even if you do not buy, it is a fun show to watch and they pull some nice stuff.
Also, need to bust out my Full Tilt gear. Love the hat.
He's not the brightest bulb on the shelf
Vintage breaks sucks for a clear and present swap. Is it that hard to see the different wrapper. Thank you again SCR for not backing down. VB needs to be held accountable for thier fraud.
The only people opening my boxes are me. Haven't opened any since 2019 Heritage.
These guys just make matters worse with their lies.
i got back into the hobby within the last year because of the nostalgia. buying 88 fleer basketball. i was getting my packs from bbce and i will now never buy old packs unless i am there in person with who i am buying from... too much shady crap going on with this stuff.
Bullshit beakers strike again, thank you for taking the time to crate this video
How can he not know this is not the same pack . Big boy your a fool and have tainted your rep and I will never use vintage breaks for anything . EVERBODY HATES ME !
GOOD GUESS GENIUS 🤣
Aka he saw a good card on the back and switched it out. I just don’t understand 🤦🏻♂️ . I was a full time breaker and choose honesty over making money and now I’m down to part time. Even if I could go back two years ago I just couldn’t allow myself to do it any other way. Such is life. I’m sure I could have made tens of thousands doing sneaky stuff.
I'm sure you're exactly right.... he saw something he wanted and he didn't give a shit his customer already bought that pack
We need accountability in this business. I started collecting baseball cards in the late 70's. My favorite player was Reggie "Mr. October" Jackson. I stopped collecting cards in the mid 90's because of the reprints of the Fleer Jordan rookie card and stickers. When companies, trading cards stores and dealers feel it is their duty to scam people out of their hard-earned money with these shenanigans. Houston, we have a problem!.
The sad thing about this video is he is flat-out lying on camera.
My new motto in this hobby is to not trust people who can’t see their own dk when they’re taking a whiz.
It’s actually a crime to do that if he is selling it as one and switching to the other.
That was some shady shit he did. I will be avoiding breaks because of people like him. Scammers ruin everything.